Looking for “Signs” with Author & Artist, Mitch Carmody – Part II

I love the whole movie about it was about signs. It was about speaking about talking to his dad who had died on things that had unrequited that had not been all this stuff, you know, and sort of the powerful grief moment. I loved it when it came out. And so I got to go there and I want to go, we went Sunday morning. I said, I want to see the tour. It was Sunday morning, small town, Wisconsin. It was closed for church. You know, so it was closed Sunday morning.

We were driving back from a Duke to, uh, Minnesota and five park, but let's walk around and see the Field of Dreams. So we did no one was there. Then all of a sudden, about six or eight cars come pulling up all these old farts, get out, dressed in period uniforms and they start playing baseball. They said, let's play ball. And my wife goes, are you kidding me? What is going on? So we went and asked this guy, what is going on here? He goes, well, they're closed Sunday mornings.

They let us use the field on Sunday mornings. And we're just, we're all, all, all bunch of old guys to get together for a league, but to see them out by the corn in the fall, it was just like, I mean, I put a picture on Facebook today because it came up, uh, the memory of four years ago and I put it up on Facebook because this year there was, they were building a whole new stadium. Field of Dreams to have,the Yankees and, uh, Red Sox game.

But because of COVID, it was canceled and they're in there. They're tearing it down, sad enough. But when we are down and in Iowa, the woman who put the group on, she said, her grandson had died and they're having a balloon release for her grandson. And I do sign language a lot. So she knows I do sign. And she looked up in the sky at the balloon and the balloon release and the cloud, just like the sign for, I love you.

And sign language and it looked up and it was, it looks just like, I love you in a cloud form. And so it's again, a cloud form and the sign and the signature from the person.

Uh, when he died, he said I gave up golf, but they were doing a fundraiser for the Compassionate Friends. And he went, he said, okay, I'll do it for my son. I wore my son's shoes. And so I went and we did a balloon release on the shotgun, on the ninth hole and said, okay, we did a balloon release. He wrote on the balloon, Stan, if this is real, you give me a sign, give me a sign in the next hole. Give me a hole in one

And so they did this balloon release. They wrote in the balloon cowboy angels, what they call this couple until we meet again, show us a sign. And they did this balloon race, like in Madison. Then Amy and the girl was Amy whoese was angel. And so then all of a sudden Amy's mom gets a call eight hours later that evening and says, what is going on? I just got a balloon Atlanta to my yard and says, until we meet again, cowboy and angel. And it said love on the box. And she called Amy's.

It was her land and her cousin's yard in green, near Green Bay, 80 miles away Her cousin's yard? It landed in her cousin's backyard. He didn't know anything about the balloon release. And just said, why is this balloon to my backyard? Where did it come from? Of course, When Amy got off the floor and said, are you kidding me? If we let her balloon release, then it went to Green Bay and landed in your backyard. Again, that's why this is in the slide show.

I get this from people that said no one else is going to believe us, but when you put it all together, yes, it's believable because it happens all the time in so many fields. Wow,

It's just like, like being in the shower or something, you just like, you feel safe and you just kind of, aarrgh, you know, I don't have to think about anything for a minute. I don't have to drive. I can just crush for a minute and she did that and then when the light turned green, the car pulled ahead and it says Meg in heaven. And she said she followed it for about 20 miles. Pulled into a cul-de-sac and had asked the woman who had lost her daughter Megan a year prior.

And so now they've become friends.

I was an accident the same year, but did not die. They're the same age. They look almost identical and you can see it in this frame isn't it amazing.

And so I've included this in my slideshow for over eight years and Debbie and Debbie and Lynn go to the they're probably never moved from Chicago, suburban small town, Chicago because of the cemeteries, just down the street from their house when we've gone there, a couple of times we've gone there, you know and I went down with my brother, my son-in-law. I had to take them there. Cause we go to the cemetery.

We go talk to Jess and put Milk Duds and a cream soda on her grave and Dick the, the, you know, Halloween lights up or whatever it is. And yeah just like we're doing for a living child with not weeping or crying is a sad thing. This is just a celebration thing. And my son-in-law's thinking we're absolutely out of our minds. and i say see ya Jess bye bye cuase we'll go see here again and we go. And they said, we'll never move. You know, because Jess is always here and that works for them.

That's okay some people think that that is just, you know, and their house is still filled with Christmas. You died four days before Christmas. And so we've been down there many times and all the Christmas stuff is still up. It works for them. And my grandchildren loved to go to the Christmas house, you know? So they go down there and go, it's always Christmas here, you know? And it's, it's a wonderful thing. Instead of people will judge that as being wrong or not, right.

Or over the top, or you shouldn't be doing that. You should clean the room out or whatever, but they did have to clean her bedroom up. So that my grandchildren can sleep in it. And they said it was more difficult than they had to do, but probably the best thing they've done in years. And they thanked us for actually coming down there. So all these little magical things that can happen from just from one doppelganger siding has changed our lives. It's just as friends. And so it's wonderful.

And this is an amazing picture. Isn't it? Then physical interaction with static objects, things that go bump in the night, noises, moving objects, missing objects, objects, be appearing reappearing. You don't hear much about Poltergeist activity anymore because it's much easier to send a butterfly or a dragon fly or a rRed Tail Hawk than it is to knock a pan off the wall. Uh, but no one had believed in that stuff before. So sometimes go ahead.

Yeah. So right after Jordan died, He used to wake up with nightmares the last two, couple of years, almost every single night. So I get up and knock on our door. I take him back to bed. Sometimes he'd go back before I got in there and he was already asleep. So I'd lay there for half an hour until I got sleepy and then go back to bed. Well, we have his dog sleeps in her bed, little Jasmine. She's a four pound blue Chihuahua and she's our guard dog. She watched it shared perfect hearing.

I say for the first six months, almost every night, there was some type of noise and it sounded like something fell off the counter onto the floor. I get up. I go. And the first night I took a baseball bat with me. I didn't know who was in there. And it was so loud. She'll go, Steve, there's somebody in the house. So I get up, I grabbed the bat from my closet and I walked into the bathroom. Turn the light on there's nobody there there's nothing on the floor. There's nothing that fell over.

And you would've swore somebody made a noise. So after about two weeks of this, I was getting tired of getting up every night and I finally quit taking the bat and finally Jaz would get up. She growled, she looked down the hallway at the bathroom sheet. she, "growling noises" I go Jaz it's just Jordan, go back to sleep. So we continue to hear it. After about two months, she quit. She we heard it she'd look and she didn't grow anymore. And we had that all the time.

And the lamp at a new bulb in the lamp never had a short and Debbie goes, this is like you remember that old commercial, the clapper light , like you clap and go on and off this, this wasn't a clapper lied and she goes, I think this is Matt. I go, what do you mean? She goes, talk to it. So the lights on and I go, Matt, is that you? This was the morning that there was a article. It was on the front of the editorial page of Orlando Sentinel. Very prominent article about this podcast.

And I go, man, is that you in a light, started flashing and then it stopped. And we look at this, can we go, are you with Pop and Mamie? That was his grandparents, my parents, it was flashing on and off. Then, as I mentioned, Matt and my mother died within two days of each other, then my best friend from Buffalo of 50 years and knew Matt really well because when we went to Buffalo Bill's game in Buffalo, we'd bring Matt and see him. He knew my parents thought I was 12 years old.

He passed a few weeks after my mother and Matt did so on the anniversary of Matt's death it's for Jewish. You do what's called a Yahzeit Candle. It's a Memorial candle that goes on for a, uh, 24 hours. We actually went to Israel and we lit it on the Mediterranean coast, right in Tel Aviv. But we went to the wailing wall and I put prayer notes for my mother, my father, my son, Matt, my friend, Ted, because they were all connected to each other. So I asked the lamp, Iare you with Ted also.

It was going on and off. And we were looking at this thing saying it's not a clapper cause a new bulb in there. And we had this conversation. I wish we were smart enough to have a cell phone recorded, but we were just so like your jaw drops and we had a multiple times, like this is. HIs Cousin Russell was like our third son. He lived with us for years. He lives in Alabama now.

And the first thing is giving after Matt's passing, he came for the holidays and we told a lot of these things with the lights and everything. And he goes well, are, was screwed with music and screw with us tonight. Cause Matt was just a really funny kid and I go, he might, who knows. So Russell goes to sleep. And I'm in the kitchen area going ready to go to sleep.

And there's a, I know the circuits in the house because the circuit breakers, you know, here, the thunderstorms, the circuit breakers, always switching and switch them on, switch them off to get power back on and the kitchen lights and the lights that are not the same circuit breaker. And excuse me they are on the same circuit breakers. Whenever they go out, they go out together. So we go to sleep and turn the lights off and the lights in the kitchen, just start, come on.

And I called Russell and my son, David and my wife and the four of us were in the kitchen and the lights went on and off four times. But the light in the family room, which is on the same circuit breaker didn't. And we're going to either have to both be going on or not going on. They can't be dependent on the same circuit breaker. And then this past week, we have a hallway where we come in through the house, not through the front door that come through the garage.

And it's been months now where there's two lights in the ceiling and we'll just Deb will say, hi, Matt, how are you doing? Got a picture of me out there. And the light will go on and off. And, you know, if the filament was burning out, this would have burned out months ago, but it doesn't. And my son David came home on last Friday and when he came in, the light was off. Entirely off it wasn't on. And we were just talking away from the on, off switch.

No, nobody was near the on, off switch and it just went on and we all looked at this, like just the three of us were here, the dogs over there, nobody bumped into the switch. We were not close to the switch and it went on and he goes, it's gotta be Matt. And then when he was leaving on Monday morning, It went on and off as he was walking out the door. And I know this house, he lives this house 23 years. None of these things happened with the electrical issues.

You mentioned about the things falling. There was a time where there was a picture of Debbie, actually. That was my wife, Matt's mother and a bookcase behind a book or something. It was just stick way back there. And David was home and he heard something fall and he saw the picture on the ground and we're going, how in the world did that happen? It was behind something. It wasn't loose and it was just inexplicable and then maybe the same nights for very short time later.

Our dog went to Matt's room and just put her head like in the corner, it was just barking at something in the corner of his room, which she's she's 10 years old. She never did that. And was saying all these things together. None of these things happened before and especially the electrical stuff. It just, it doesn't make sense from a electrical outlet standpoint, because if it's a short, it should happen or if it's a fit, you know, the filaments going. Burning out.

It'll burn out this been going on for months. It doesn't burn out. And it's just these bizarre things is, Oh, it's just one little thing, but it happens time and time and time and time again.

Casey, is that you, then it would blink and she goes seriously, if that's you blink twice. Blink blink. Yeah. And she has a movie of it. She posted on Facebook yesterday and I wrote her back and I said, you know, well, that's wonderful. Yes, it's underneath the castor bean. And the castor beans is Palm of the Christie. It's that the Palm of Christ. And I mean, there's a lot of other symbolism. I look at everything when I see where it happens, why it happens.

And I said, and I was at a call, my son, Kasey, like , you spell it. KASEY. Her daughter was named and I want to call him Casey. And then another woman who saw the post, she goes, well, My initials are Casey too. And she goes, I'm waiting for a sign for so long. So three of us got assigned just from them sharing that blinking light sign.

And, and he used, they used to mom, they both, mom and son would practice with those , those lantern things that do the lights, you don't like to use other shifts for the code Morse code with lights. And so they all, they both knew to do Morse code and then he went into the service because he knew that and he'd be got, he went and, you know, in the Navy and he was Morse code guy on the ship with the lights. And he was in over in, uh, uh, in the, in the european theater.

And you don't hear news back as much. And the lighthouse in Harbor start blinking. And to the mom and she goes, she goes, Oh my God. And she started writing the blinking down because it looks like words cause she knew Morrse code. And it was, she wrote a whole book from person the war saying how it was during the war that he's over there helping. He goes into the trenches to warm up the soldiers that need some help. And he's involved in the war. I mean this whole thing.

And, and, and, and I love the, the most important phrase I love in the book. Was it, it said my mom or his mom asked him, well, what's it like to die, honey? I miss you so much. He goes, mom, it's like a jump school, boy jumping out the school door on the last day of school. That's the best the fascination I ever heard. You know?

And the last scene where he's going to the other side I put in there is the quote that he said is that the loving side, you take it with you. So. I use it in the eulogy, the Jewish religion, somebody passes, you Shiva , but you have people come over and it's very helpful, which obviously now during the pandemic we can't do, which makes grief so difficult now, but eventually people leave and we had people coming in relatives and family and friends.

And after the first night after they all left is when reality is because you're on your own. And, you know, we've got direct TV, we've got a million different channels and that'd be just as I'm going to go back and watch TV. And she just turns on TV and comes running out. She goes, you got to see this. I go, what? And they just started the movie. She just happened to turn the TV on what channel was, I don't even know. And it was Ghost.

You know, it was like, it was the first time we were alone was the first time Debbie turned the TV on to watch and he thinks this Matt pass. She goes, are you kidding me? So we just said, just sat and watched it. It just started a watch. The whole thing and here we go. This was the first of many, many signs that we saw, but that was the movie that I use in the eulogy , you mentioned movies. And then the first time he turned TV on boom. And that was, that was 1990.

I don't know if there was even much texting when I got, when Shawn's dad gave me this, uh, slide, but, uh, Sean died in a car accident and they kept the service up on his phone. So they could still hear his buddies from college, say, how are you doing, dude? You know? So they had the big guy for me and, you know, just college kids are college kids until, and they kept the service up. They could still hear his voice. Well, one day.

The phone rang and he picked it up and he said, well, the elder was white. This phone number looks familiar, but it's all static. There's nobody on it. And then she's screaming. She goes, well, that's Shawn's phone. And they ran upstairs to his bedroom and you can go slip the slide. His cell phone dialed out at 1201 into their house phone at 1201. And he he's an engineer. He calls Sprint ATT and T-Mobile. Well, he called everybody could find out, they said, this is not a butt dial.

This is not, this can't happen. Sitting static in a cradle. And he says, well, it did. And he got it he's got up and spot spoken that Tip Compassion Friends when he's done with the crowd. Cause it's, it changed his life, you know?

And they all said their child's name and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. All these orbs showed up in the picture. And so it's good to look retrospective at pictures. A lot of wedding pictures are, are thrown out from there because there's white orbs in them or something. And that's a loved one that's that should have been at the wedding and show up. And, but yet people don't recognize it as, as that. But as a default, but it happens a lot. I'll show you another one here. Oh, wow.

That's obviously in Florida, again, doing a, uh, there's another group called The Afterlife Awareness Conference, a conference, and they it's all psychics and I was asked to speak and I was doing grief work, but it's like, that was the fact it's solver. Mark Nelson is in a center here is a national psychic, and he was doing readings for the people in the room.

And if you could see here, everybody in the room that was going to get a reading at arms around them, and this guy was incredible, but no one, I just saw these. When I went home, I wanted to get a picture of him and I saw all the people, almost everybody has orb, right by them waiting for a reading. Then the next picture is I'm at a conference in the 2010 or 11 at compassionate friends in Minnesota.

And someone sent this picture to me, cause I always talk about the orbs i get and Kelly's color was purple. We sat up 300, some purple balloons to have at his funeral because we didn't have a burial. We sent his ashes to Hawaii and we just let off balloons and purple balloons.

And so at that conference, I wore a purple bandana with purple Chuck Taylor's, uh, purple tie purple shirt, and there's purple orbs shows up above my head that someone sent to me and they said, Kelly's right up on stage with you, you know? And it's so nice to get that. Cause I didn't know where I would have never known if someone hadn't taken that picture and known that I'd love to see that. Wow, that's great.

So Halon embodied him, and this is we're getting a physical, physical interaction using humans and other life forms. And we know energy, whether it's electrical or doorbell or energy never dies. It just trans transformed into something else. So it's easy to see why electricity is used, but animals are living. We have an energy, we have electricity that runs our heart. And so we're, we're connected energy. So it's very, it's. It's not a far stretch. I think we can.

These animals come up all the time, whether it's butter, butterflies, dragonflies, ladybugs, eagles, hawks, doves, cats, dogs, whatever. I mean, there's so many different ways, but these are the most common ones and Cardinals, the red Cardinal. It's huge for so many people that never get signed or didn't believe in sign, get the Red Cardinal, you know, incarnate goes back to Latin meaning hinge and why they call the Cardinals, the hinge of the church.

And, you know, so it goes way back that the Cardinals have been assigned for that hinge between our two worlds.

So they would come and it it seemed like it was 10 or 15 seconds that it was my eye level looking right at me, just hovering. And then it went down to the flowers. And it came back up and it just sat there looking at me and it went back the way it came over the roof of the garage. I had to swap it chills. I know if you plant it, he will come. It's like the dream, you know, believe in at plant. And yes, I mean, I quit cutting milkweeds in my garden and the farm.

I nurtured them, my miracle grow them. They got sixth street hall, so I could draw, uh, you know, I'll tell you my , butterfly story coming up here. That's right here. Perfect timing. Luke's was my, this is my picture of my niece and her husband and their son, Luke 28 years old had taken his life. He'd had some issues with depression through his life, a real loner. They lived out in the country. He had his own like five acres of, they call it Luke's woods.

And so he hunted there kind of introvert. So he built a tree houses when he's growing up. And then it was his area where he just felt the best. And, and so they put a big sign ups that this Luke's woods after he died. And I couldn't go to the funeral, I was speaking somewhere and I went up there. Like almost a month later, which sometimes is really a blessing. You can show them a month later when all the other stuff has happened, you know, they've gone through all that.

And the shock has worn a little better. They're trying to make due with so many people giving you, uh, uh, so much support that can be overwhelming. So we had, I said, we talking around the edges, we didn't sit, talk grief stuff right away. I'm a grief guy, but we, my cousin, I said, let's go, let's go for a walk. I'm going to see Luke's woods. So we go walking through the woods and walk into the woods and, and she said, um, I said, do you ever get these signs from Luke?

She goes, monarchs, monarchs all the time. And I said, Oh my God. Oh, I, I, in fact, I said, I have a Monarch at home on the farm that I brought in I showed the picture of it here on the screen that I picked her up on a slide, which didn't show up. But I mean, I had gotten this caterpillar inside and I saw him the first time I ever see a caterpillar spin his cacoon. I mean, it's cocoon or Chrysalis in a matter of minutes, I thought that took him forever.

They just turn their skin inside out, almost informed his cocoon or Chrysalis. So I saw him actually formed this Chrysalis and then it, it, again, it turned that beautiful turquoise and the gold dots on it. And, and then, but it was during this color, it was completely transparent. You can see the orange, no black. And I go, Oh my God. I want to see it come up so bad. But I got to go drive two hours up to now, then Minnesota, and to see, look to it. So I spent the time up there.

So we're up at Luke's and she says the Monarch and reminded me, you know, so we talk, we have a good talk that I'm kind of anxious to get going, because I want to see my Monarch come out.I've been waiting for a long time. And so I said, we got to go on. I went home and I get home and get the house and go run in. There is the Monarch on the floor. I miss it coming out. It was wet, you know, and I said, okay, I'll take it outside.

That could be a piece of paper, picked it up and gingerly put on the desk. And then I'm thinking about, well, we'll just stop at Luke's woods. And he gets monarchs. And when Luke was a kid, He was, I used to kid him all the time. You know, Luke use the force, you know, as he got older, he gets all, you know, Oh, we'll get counted out. Star Wars is over. Yeah. A little, you know, but I it's, it's an adult got irritated when I would

say, Luke, use the force .So anyway, I know that would irritate him. And I see there's butterfly sitting there and on the deck and I said, okay, Luke, use the force and you crawl up my tennis shoes my Chuck Taylor's I had on, and you crawl up my leg and you landed on my shoulder. I got in within seconds. He'd crawled over to my tennis shoe crawl, all the way up my leg landed on my shoulder. And another butterfly came. And landed on this shoulder and I have that picture, but on their butt.

And I said, Oh my God, I can't. And people said, Oh my God, I've taught, how can a butterfly listen to you? It's only got a brain of a head of a pin. I said, I know that's the magic of it. They have to brain a size of a pin. And you know, but Luke use that embodiment of that butterfly to crawl up on land on my shoulder. And they say, well, that must've been Kelly landed on your other shoulder. I said no, I'm Kelly doesn't usually use butterflies.

That was Raymond. And I know Raymond is a friend of mine, son, Ron, in Texas who gets penguin signs. And I was wearing a t-shirt that Raymond had sent me and said, it's all about love and penguins. And I happen to be wearing it that day. You probably saw it in the pictures. And so that was Raymond shirt. And I've got, I'll talk a little bit more about Raymond later on, but if we talk depending much about a visitation earlier, so let's move past this great.

And that at the same time at the Memorial service, this picture showed up in one of those throwaway cameras of this young girl dressed in a pink gown. And almost in a rigormortis position. And just, it's amazing. This is the only one that I see you can actually, if you see this, you can see through her, the doorframe through her arm, she's solid over the, over the virus fingers from the wall. So it's really uncanny. And it was just a young 16 year old girl.

I took it from a throwaway camera at the Memorial and she goes, my mom thought you'd probably like it. And I said, yeah, I, this is amazing, you know, and this is so let's just, I may have another apparition picture, but I think this is maybe it, yes, it shows up a young boy showed up and the window sale, like. Behind this, her sister graduated. He had died a year earlier. She was going to the graduation again, tent spirits, like to be around family events and his image showed up in the window.

He always wore those cutoff t-shirts and you know, your child's silhouette. You don't know what they look like in the mindset. Oh my God. That is, I can't remember his name, but that's him. And there was nothing there. It was just in the window behind on her graduation.

Uh, the got another angel one picture they sent me, these boys were looking up at a bird in a tree and they saw this mist come up. That looked like an angel. Wow. Look at that. And someone took the picture of it. Still. Not sure what it is, but, um, And this and this Marshall is what really got me started. Because when I wrote my book Letters to my Son and I wrote, uh, Kelly in February, gimme something growing in the yard that I'll know what you.

And I, I said earlier, corn stock grew up in our yard. Well, actually three corn stocks grew up in our yard and a perfect triangle pointing Southwest. And I'm looking at putting things together. And Southwest is where we had the miracle healing in Mexico. And I said, that's Kelly just saying. Thank you dad for Mexico. And, and I thought, Oh my God, getting porn in him pointing an arrow. I I'm sad. I thank you, Kelly.

Um, growing in the yards in America, anyway, I asked him for it, but then my daughter comes home with school. She's in fourth grade, brings home a book called the Three Corn Stocks. It was about to say it's a sacred symbol of Mexico. So again, I was validated and I was fine with that. But then on December, first on his angel day, his first one, that first horrible one where it becomes.

So real, because now you're starting to live memories of the death and not dying and prior to, so it's a whole new, uh, memory base and. Again, have, have to remind you how awful that day is. But learning doff came and flew at our glass sliding door and I was looking at it. So I go, what is it? And it's snow in Minnesota. And I didn't see a morning dog that late in the year before I opened the door and it looked at me and I went outside and it's kept walking away from me.

So I followed it in my bathroom and I walked out and it flew over the cornstalk that was in the snow and all the three-quarters knocks and now had died. And one was Lane's though. And I looked at it, there's all is left. It's like, okay, what am I supposed to look at? And I never would have gone up there unless this morning Dog had come to the door. So I went over there and I pulled the corn stock up. And on the corn stock was one corn as big as my baby finger.

And when I pulled the horn, it was back, was all moldy and black. And I thought, I'll just gonna throw this. And I looked at the Haas in ahead. It stayed in the back of the husk capital D capital a. Low smaller font, capital D on the end clearly says dad in ink influence molding. Uh, so that changed everything for us. And then, so even my daughter saw it and says, Oh my where's my name? You know?

So I said, I think he's doing really good using mold for ink and getting to be on the corn stock that I never would've found it's up in the morning, blah, blah, blah. You could break this down and you'd never be able to find it, but we did. And that problem Rami gated me to write my book was that sign. Oh, wow. So that, that era corn with. So I said, I've got to share this with people that other people can have my pad though.

The other ones that I'd experienced in life dreams and the Christmas cactus and stuff. But this was a specific request that I got and I am very legible, the most people, and I've shown it to many clerics and people say, Oh my gosh. You know, and so, and I still have the original and it still looks the same. But it's all in here, Raymond this is the shirt I was wearing and asked me for a sign because I was doing a workshop in Texas and we were talking about, uh, signs of course.

And uh, I said, you know, be bold enough. Like I said, ask my son for a sign, ask for a sign, but be realistic. Don't ask to see a penguin in Texas and this man stood up in the back and says, I beg your pardon. I go, what? And he goes, Oh, I'm Ronald Plotkin. And my son, Raymond died and of the, of the swine flu, when the swine flu came around, he, he is one of the casualties of Swine Flu.

And so, um, he said, but he loved penguins and so when he died, we adopted a penguin at the Houston Zoo named Ramona. So don't tell me, there's no penguins in Texas. And so, so we laughed about that and I said, Oh my God. I mean, I was just making a metaphor and I'd never used that before. I don't know why I said peguins in Texas, that just tape. Cause we were in Texas I guess. And you know, and I, anyway, I didn't even think about it. It just came out.

But what happened after that workshop now is that people all over the country now on his yard side or on his birthday, they will send a penguin. My granddaughter on his birthday sent him a penguin that she went to a painting she did at the County fair. And she said, and I got first prize. I want to send it to, she calls him uncle rambling. Cause he's Kelly's friend. And she said, I want to, I want to send it to uncle Raymond's mom and dad. And so, Oh my God they've loved it.

So since then now go on the next slide. You can see a picture of their penguin shelf. This is from four years or five years of people since that workshop that have been sending them penguin stuff, it happens to this day. People don't know when to send flowers or a card that before five years, all you gotta do is send a penguin. You know, I could garbage pail kids cards once in a while from somebody else send me one. Cause I that's it not a big, no, nothing fancy, but you know what that says.

So they had to get a whole shelf to hold all that. And I did a portrait of cause I do, uh, portraits. There's my studio. And I do portaits of mostly children who have died. And they said, put your please do us a portrait. And could you put, you know, just something with a penguin. And then when he loved Elmo and, uh, and he was Jewish, so he loved the Jewish religion and he loved the, uh, it was going to be a nuclear scientist and he loved tennis.

And so I put everything in the portrait that he liked and I put him in a penguin option. Oh, my God, they absolutely went Gaga for this portrait. And, uh, my daughter thought this is crazy dad that knows this, that this is what they want. So when we did the DCF conference in Texas, again, Oh, it was in Texas. And I said, I like to give away a raffle ticket of a free portrait for somebody from my studio.

I said, yeah, just, you know, I've got two people know what it looks like I said, Raymond, or mean, uh, Ronald sometimes I call my parents kids, their kids' names, but they love to hear it, but I call it Ronald I said, can you bring Raymond's picture in to put in the bookstore and show people. What they could get for the raffle, he said, sure I'll do that. I'm proud to put Raymond everywhere. So he brought it in and put it in the workshop.

And during my workshops, I have a sharing session at the end at night, like nine o'clock at night to talk about signs because there's no time in the workshop. So we talk about science. Sometimes I'd go up till two o'clock in the morning and they've cut that out. They made the Mitch Carmody rule because it went to late , but, um, we would sit and talk and share. Everybody's 150 people at night everybody telling their story.

And so we're the front of the ballroom in a corner and pretty much people are going, it's getting to be midnight and everybody's leaving except one woman who came in late was just standing there. And she said, I've been waiting and waiting. And I said, can I help you? And she goes, well, I, I missed the conference. I didn't see your workshop. I haven't been to the conference at all, but I wanted to go to the sign one, but I just thought, well, since I'm here, I'll come to this workshop.

I mean, for the Sharon session, Yeah. So she said, I just have to tell you I'm a psychic and I don't tell anybody a psychic when I'm at a bereave conference, I'm here for myself, but she said, I just happened to be a psychic. And I should, I, this may sound crazy too and I don't know what you believe is in psychics, but I know you're doing the workshop, but if this makes any sense to you, but there is a young man dancing around behind you, like Charlie Chaplin, wearing a penguin outfit.

You can't be this isn't. I said, have you been to the workshop? Have you been to the bookstore? And she goes, no, it's closed everything. No, I've been anywhere just here. I said, well, I'll give you Ronald Plotkin's name. you look for him I said, they wouldn't want to take you to the bookstore tomorrow. And so she ended up finding the Plotkins, took her to the bookstore and they showed him the Parkridge. That's the cab that was behind Mitch at the work during the Sharon's session. Oh, again,

But anyway that she was born on his angel day and we always had a birthday party because it's Kelly's angel David. Now it's my granddaughter's birthday, which was huge, huge for us to start celebrating instead of crying. All day or sitting in a basement. You know, we, you know, we celebrated the Yahrzeut candle and a birthday candle, and it was wonderful to do that. But this year, an orb shown up two orbs showed up.

Actually, you can see in a picture and one above my sister-in-law, my wife's sister didn't think anything of it, but then they'd go to the next slide. The next year we had a birthday party again. But in between that next bird, she was, again, an orb showed up with my sister and my granddaughter at the, who was there at, with a cake at the table. And my sister in law had bandana on because she in-between time had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. And then a year later she died.

So in the orbs shown up above her whilst she didn't know she was sick, but her body knew she was sick. The spirit knew she was sick and this horrible showing up prior.

And so he found out that we looked at this in retrospect, again, that these orbs show up prior to the death, which I didn't know and other people not sending me pictures of orbs prior to the death that shows its fears hanging around. Maybe even the dreams that you said Jordan's was having maybe a spirit was coming to him before he even died, that they were coming to him and his dreams that evil spirit looks crazy. Scary if you don't know what it's about.

And so he said, I have Kelly dropped pictures of a Pac-Man eating up the tumor have bind over matter, have him visualize his Pac- Man eating up of the tumor. And so we would draw the pictures. We send them to Bernie. Bernie would write a note on it and send it to us back. I can't believe that he took out of his busy schedule. That time for us. So that's huge. And so we had all these pictures and eventually I went out to where he lived, his wife was dying. I went to go visit Bernie at his house.

That's another whole story, but he had his draw, these pictures. So Kelly ended up the pictures that you can't see it, but there's a whole series of them. We thought we had rose colored glasses on. We thought he was going to beat the tumor and we're drawing all these positive pictures. But as the pictures progressed, less of his full body disappeared. Pretty soon. He, with just his head, pretty soon, there was a line on his head just showing a huge tumor in the head. It's just a small face.

And then pretty soon there was no image of him at all. And then there was finally, he finally. Yeah, two and one is called the end of pain and we thought, well, that's what it means. He ended up paying he's going to beat the cancer. But when we looked at these, which I took out from his trunk, the things almost eight years ago and looked at them in a different light. Now I've not, I've not I've got 20 some years bereaved at this time. Not just having died. I didn't put anything to it together.

These were fighting pickers. These weren't grief pitchers, but I see it in a child knows intuitively the spirit knows that comes out in the art comes out in the writing. And so his picture that says, and the pain we thought was being the cancer really was him dying. We'd go to the next picture. And you can see now it was all circles before now. The broke circuit is broken all these Pitchfork in his head because he was having so horrible headaches.

The pain was so much that finally the tumor blew apart, killed him. He signed it Kelly, and he says the end of pain.

You've got like four stripes, little strands of hair on his head, got little wings behind him and he's got a rainbow covering him. And it says God above him with two clouds and a sun. And we go, Oh my God, that, that now we look at it. Now he said, end of pain. He went to God that's what he was trying to tell us before he died.

Yeah. Do you look at this drawing, but because I will read the card my grant, my daughter, then at home, six years old wrote as a card on Easter morning and she made us green eggs and ham for breakfast, you know, and the best we could and we had set up for and, you know, were bereaved parents stumbling out our first, you know, holiday after Christmas and new year's and, uh, We sat down at the table and she made a card for us out of a spiral, little small spiral notebooks, stapled

it together in her six year old writing. And the cover of it. If you see, it looks just like the cover of the last drawing Kelly did, which she did in the hospital. These weren't drawings at Kelly she had ever seen, these were drawings in the hospital. We put away, but she drew the cover of this card, the same angel with three bikes a hair out of the head and the rainbow top. And she said, to mom and dad then pays the next one. Please don't be sad just for me. I am happy, I hope you are happy.

Next one. I love you. And I am glad up in heaven, but I miss you. Next one. I make Meghan do it, but I put it in her brain. Next one. And Kelly said, happy Easter, mom and dad, she's writing from Kelly and make Kelly do it, put it in her brain at the time we said, Oh, how sweet honey? And we put it away. Didn't think anything of it really? We were just super, so shell shocked. No, that we thought this is so sweet of her. And I make up this little story.

You know, and then years later we pulled this out and I show, I worked in the elementary school and I showed this the preschool teachers in LA. They said that is not the ability of a child that age and the way, the way she said it I'd make Kelly do it. I put it in her brain. Amazing downstream message that happened, you know, that happened afterwards. But yet it came from him through his sister, but we wouldn't have noticed that unless we're being aware.

I didn't know what to say. I just sat. Thank you Robin. And then I got off the phone and I told my wife, she goes, Robin from high school, oh she's nut and I called my daughter and I said, Megan, I grab, hold on. This is what transpired. And she said, dad, I'm pregnant. I mean, I mean, I have a three-year-old to take care of I'm on the pill. The NASDAQ crashed. My husband lost his job. We're out of our house. Our organ was upside down. We had to, you know, blah, blah, blah.

We have no health insurance. And I said, we're not getting pregnant and I'm on the pill. And I said, dad, she's just not that's okay. I'm just telling you. Six weeks later, she called me she said, dad, I've missed my period. I took two EPT tests. They're positive. I went into the doctor and said, congratulations, you are pregnant. Your due dates, November 16th. Well, November 16th is Kelly's birthday and so I was like, Oh my God, this is unbelievable.

My daughter's going, how on the flip did this woman know I was pregnant and then on Kelly's birthday, no less. And I, so we're aiting it wouldn't happen. Then I was, again, speaking down in Florida in Fort Lauderdale and I missed, I came home and the baby had not been born. She was going, she was going late, nothing was happening. They said, well, we're going to have to do an introduction. And then she went into labor at midnight on December 1st, his 23rd angel day.

And that baby was born and a little girl and the neighbor, uh, Olivia Kelly . And I was like, I love it yet. Kelly. I just love how they Olivia Kelly and same weight, same length, same blue eyes, blonde hair. I mean, genetics are there as well, but it looks strikingly infant, like, uh, like Kelly and that they've grown up. And, uh, she talks about Kelly. She looked like Kelly. We looked back at the old records and they were the same birth weight at the same length. I don't remember that stuff.

My wife wrote it down and remembered it. So now we'll show a picture of Kelly. And when he was born, 1979 with me holding Kelly. There's Olivia 2010. They look like the same baby. And so people would say, what is, what is this, this, this, uh, dark reincarnation, you know, people put it that way when they say it. And I, our guardian angel, I said, you know, I don't know what to call it. I just called it wonderful.

Uh, I don't, I don't, I can't explain, you know, where does arrogant, hairless, apes trying to figure it all out? We don't know. We're guessing for the most part. So I said, I don't care. I just believe that's what faith all about. You believe, and I believe, and this just validated my belief. And so now another picutre of her growing up now I have probably more, but there she is again. And she talks about uncle Kelly all the time.

She says uncle Kelly, this, I saw my, my best workshop beyond sweat worth was a law of which, uh, I could talk about sometime, if you want to do a proactive, grieving session, but Livia was out in the yard crying and she was hugging a tree. We come from a long land tree huggers and she was hugging this tree and crying. I said, honey what's wrong? Did you hurt yourself? She goes, no, I go, why are you hugging a tree? She goes, I feel better when to hug a tree.

I feel uncle Kelly, when I hug, I know you do. She goes, yes. And I've been hugging the tree and crying because I miss him. And you know, it's so weird to have this conversation. He's been dead for 23 years. There'll be no 28 years at this time. She's five years old. And, uh, she said, but he said that we're going to start telling you Winnie the Pooh. I go, what. Why Winnie the Pooh? She goes, I don't know maybe we should watch it.

So we went in and watched Winnie the Pooh and the whole story of the hundred acre wood is trying to solve or fix Eeyore's grief when he lost his tail, they're trying to fix it, put a ribbon on it, doing all this stuff. Everybody's got a different idea how to fix his grief. And I said, Oh my God, this is gonna be a great workshop. And now I do it called grief, a hundred acre wood. It's about the five different personalities in the hundred acre wood.

Each one of the different grief personalities from piglet, you know, to Eeyore, to the owl, to the rabbit. And they each have a distinct get where they're running from their grave or they're laughing about their grade or their normal about their grades, or there'll be quiet about their grief or their a Winnie the Pooh. And they just go through life like it is okay not because it's okay, but that's their strong suit. You draw it to who you are as a person.

That's how you get through grief when you draw through the strong suit. Of who you are. And I'm a Winnie with a piglet rising. I love to go hug people, but yet I like my routine. I am not an all on the sit in there, back to the corner and not say a word. I cannot help myself. So I'm not an Owl. And a lot of people are Eeyore's. They're just complaining about it. So that that's another whole workshop we can talk about, but I'm going to go forward a little bit.

The last powerful sign we haven't even asked for is this sign. And there's a picture of my book. And since I've been going to Florida for 10 years to the body rest of the foundations bring in fall. And I bet there's TCF chapters. I've driven her all around the coast and different TCF chapters and Georgia or Tampa, or, uh, You know, Miami and corals the other on the East side or the Gulf side, whatever. So when I'm doing meetings with people and my wife's there, wasn't we're down here.

Why don't we do something for us? Why don't we get an Airbnb and stay at that great big Lake in the middle? I said, you know, I've never been to like, Oh, good to bogey or whatever it is. It's that great big Lake Okeechobee that this was let's go get a Airbnb on Lake Okeechobee. So we looked, found one. Buyer beware with Airbnb is that we had this weird little place behind the dumpster at Kmart Walmart parking lot, you know, but it was, that was like three acres.

So it was spread out, but it was a kind of a epileptic 70 year old artists with one leg. And he said, I said, my wife is dying of Alzheimer's. And so I can't do my art anymore. So on Airbnb in my studio, I, so I'm an artist. Hey, that's great. So we, I, we stayed in his studio. And then we looked around or we stayed in there. It was kinda, my wife said, well, it's kind of dirty. It wasn't real immaculate, but I like oddball thing. So I liked it. And then we're going to go outside.

And it was cloudy that day. And then the sun came out all of a sudden shine through the park, which a stack full of all those papers in the front porch. And this stained glass window was hanging in the porch. The sun came through and I saw my son's face in it. I said, Oh my God. And I said, Barb, she goes, what? I go look at that. And she said, Oh my God, that looks like Kelly. I said, I know.

So I ran, I ran to the artist's house, brought him back out and, you know, with his limpy artificial leg and he had to come with, all right, I gotta show you this. And I want to buy this. And I said, Oh, everything's for sale. I said, I'd love to buy this stained glass window. And uh, he said, okay. And I said, well, can you see it's a, did you put a face in there? They said, no, it's just swirled glass.

And I bought the expensive swirled, mixed glass, but I just made a vase with three flowers above it. And I said, well, I see my son's face. And then we put the book out and we put it up next to it and he goes, Holy, Oh, I can't believe it. He said, I'm giving you a heck of a deal. He said, it's going to cost you 150 bucks to ship it back. So, uh, what for the shipping place right in the parking lot next to us. So we walked over there, we shipped it home.

Now it's hanging in our condo here and it's just, can you see his face in there? If not all people can see it, but when it's above the green line, you see it. I see the nose and it's almost like it's got a dark between us. You know, but the eyes are definitely there and the nose, I can kind of see his nose and the lips and, you know, yeah. There's a nose. And so we see if people come over and they see it and it's such a wonderful thing. And we lived on the farm for 23 years.

I think you said Marshall, you've been at your house for 23 years

So I took the, went down there with the grandkids, had Thanksgiving going to bring them back to mano Papa's house on Thanksgiving night. So we're down there. Red ring said, well, let's go back to the Wisconsin side. It's much prettier. It's a beautiful drive. And so we drove back the Wisconsin side and all the leaves were off this Hill. That overlooked the confluence of the Mississippi and the St. Croix rivers. It's very sacred spot where the two rivers come together.

You can actually see the two different colors of the river, and there's an overlook that's over there across the street from there is a 16 condos that have been here for years. I guess I thought there was a part rebuilding, but they were covered with huge Maples. She could never really see them, but now it was November. It was after, after Halloween, all our Thanksgiving, all the leaves were gone.

And the sun was going down and it was hitting the kind of the Northwest windows of the corner condo. It was just 16, 15 units. The last one on the end, there are three stories at all these windows on the upper middle and lower levels. The sun was just brilliant. I, Oh my God. And I told my granddaughter. I said, when I retire, that's where Papa is going to live. Look at that overlooking the river, the confluence. And my granddad said, well, Papa, you are retired. Well, yeah, you're right.

Well, I'm going, I retired early 62, so I was like, I went home first, the condo, so I could see it look down at it, got an address. And so I, I got the address and I put the address into a Google search. It came up in a real estate company. For sale, there was no sign or anything. And so I called, I called it and the woman says, how did you get this number and find out about this house? She said, we just listed it two hours ago.

I said, I just, I just know that, I mean, I've countered it, it just a matter of seconds driving down a Hill that I happened to look up and see it. And I said, I don't know. I just, I, I just have to see it. So we went the next day at black Friday when we looked at the condo with my granddaughter and my wife, my wife was, why are we looking at a condo? I said, I told her I want an art studio that overlooks the river someday. Well, this is three stories and it overlook the river.

Maybe I can set up a studio in there. Let's just look at it. So we looked at it and as a man, I didn't even look in the garage or the water heater or anything. I just said, okay, I'm on it. This studio downstairs would be perfect. The look of the river is perfect. I like it. We can sell the farm and then it says, okay, you want to think about it a little bit? I said, no. I said, how much are they asking? And I said, okay, I bid $3,000 underneath what they're asking.

And I said, I'll just, I'll put this bid in. So we did, and my wife still thinks I'm crazy. We had not planned to move or do anything. 23 years on a farm. We had horses, you know, we had three horses and that's all. Then I put the bid in on December 1st Kelly's angel day, 30th angel day. The people called us and says, we've accepted your bid. And the real estate agent said, I didn't tell you, I, after I've talked to you, she goes, my son was also born in 1978. He died 15 years ago.

So I know how important this is for you. And she goes, I can't believe your son found this for you. And I said, I can't. And so when we finally get this piece of glass from Florida and now hanging. This, this is like his third , this will be his 33rd year, December 1st now. And it's, and I've, I've been like retired from a lot of other things.

That's been a huge, uh, turning point and doing stuff that our whole life and it's like Kelly said, dad, you've worked hard for 32 years and on my journey. It's time for you to take a rest and just do your artwork. And I've been doing pencil sketches. You can see some behind me and the pencil sketches I've done for 30 years since he died. Now I'm doing color I bought colored pencils and I'm doing color pencils and I don't, I'm not doing grief portraits anymore. I'm doing less grief workshops.

COVID helped do that. The collateral blessing of that for me, was not traveling and getting the lights, staying home, working in the studio, working on my third book and knowing that this is Kelly, where he wanted us to be. And even my granddaughter say. Kelly wanted us here for sure. Papa, you know, and look at that glass, they looked just like him , amd so that is, this is kind of the end of the, of, of the slides. Cause I want to show it for 33 years. It's still happens.

You know, when we listen.

That's why that happened then that's why that happened then that's why that happened then. And when this happened, this was the last one. This, this piece of glass was the last piece of the puzzle. My wife and I both said, said, we are back the way we were before he died. We don't fit. We, we thought we'd never be able to say we're back where we were before, before Kelly died that, so we almost a 100% not totally hundred because we're still have our, our days.

But because Kelly is so with us all the time in every respect that we're not grieving his loss because he's not lost anymore. But it's taken a long time, you know, to get to that point. But other people, that's why I want to do this work. I mean, they'll do the whispers so people can get to that point earlier than I did.

You know, that I didn't, you know, I didn't have to drink a case of Pats Blue Ribbon every night for a couple of years, I could have had help earlier on by listening help for my son. You know? So that's why it's important to, to share this work.

So he was out playing with Matt and when they were little. Dave used to get scared. And he used to run into Matt's room and they'd sleep in bed in bed together. Matt always let him sleep in the bed together. He was a big brother, take care of them. So they're all playing and they were little. And I guess during the dream they grew up and they got older, you know, it's a dream and Dave saw the clouds coming in and it was dangerous to stay outside. The had to go inside.

And Matt said, yeah, you got to go inside. Started walking and Dave was going inside the house and Matt wouldn't come in and he goes back, come on in. He goes, no, you go in now, you got to come in. He goes, no, I can't come in. You got to go in. And then he woke up, like, it was just sort of protecting them, but he couldn't go in the house with them. And now I've had dreams. It was weird because when I before Matt's pass.

I used to sometime dream when he was alive, that he passed away and I'd wake up. It's like, I thank God. That was a dream. Now I dream that he's alive and I wake up and it's not it's flipped. So now I had a dream a few weeks ago where Matt said this didn't happen. It was a dream. My daughter back, I apologize. It was a dream that it didn't happen. And I think I told you off air or not. When Dave was home, I saw his figure. I woke up. I was definitely up. I wasn't dreaming.

I literally made sure I was up sitting up. Right. And I was awake and I saw his figure go by in a flash in the mirror. And it was absolutely positive. Like you said, you know, your, your, your child's outline, you know, what they look like from the side, the back, whatever, you know, what it is. And I told him it was the second time I saw one time. I saw him leaving the room. Which would be to the right of my bed. This was an, a mirror to left my bed.

I don't know if he was in the mirror in front of the mirror, but I saw him in the mirror and it was just shortly after where he told me, well, this didn't happen. And maybe in his sense, it didn't happen. Just a different form. And so I'm trying to put all these pieces of the puzzle together and trying to stick them in. And the fact this happened when Dave was home, when the lights, again, it's all just different pieces of the puzzle, trying to put in there,

They would always come up with a different take and what I was looking at, and I could see is I never thought about that way. And it's sort of interesting way to look at that issue. And now I almost feel like, you know, I spent my life trying to teach him things during his life. Now he's teaching me things during his afterlife.

Um, when I sold them also, I did an expanded edition is when you see here and when that was published, then I had a dream of Kelly and Oh my God, I wasn't even sure it was Kelly. At first, I knew it was Kelly, but he I'm notorious for not just wearing a pair of shorts in the summertime, you know, I'm always just in shorts, it's, I'm always shirtless.

And so in this dream, I'm standing in a library like a bookstore or a library and I'm shirtless and, um, this one comes up and she goes, my God, you have guys didn't you guys have an incredible story to tell and.

I go, what then I looked to the left of me and Kelly is standing there, shoulder, shoulder, no shirt on muscular looking kid, probably about 19 years old, you know, and his hair is like, uh, uh, short, but got like, like African-Americans have those little jagged lines, you know, carved into there. You know, he had like these jagged lines of arrows carved into his hair and he does it, but he looks so grown up with a Shiloh cheeks, not a puffy pregnazone face.

And he looks a little puzzled, you know, and he said, well, I don't remember much of it anymore, dad. And I said, that's okay. Some other people do or whatever. I can remember what I said, and then he disappeared, but it was just the happy look, but yet puzzled, like why is this woman asking, you know, it's this thing, like, this is normal that we should be talking together. He and I, and that was just so I love that. And that's the only few seconds that I had of seeing him...

I don't know, but I never had any dreams of him in the hospital or anything at his worst or how often he looked toward the end. I saw him as a full flood bustling teenager, and that felt so good.

And we've had multiple, multiple, multiple issues with, especially with the lights and, and things like that where Debbie, my son, David, our nephew, Russell, we've all seen these things in. We've all been there. We're looking so we're all awake, right? We're not dreaming now. We're all awake. This is not a dream. We're having it. We're saying we all saw this. Right. And we all say what it was. And it was exactly what we thought it was.

So hearing it from you have obviously done such a great job documenting this. I mean, you really like pay experts with this field, which is amazing, which is just fascinating to me because again, three years ago, I would've said it's interesting, but I don't necessarily believe it. I absolutely totally completely believe it, but not as a matter of faith or wishing, but to me, it's empirical evidence that I've seen with my eyes. I'm a very cynical guy. And I just think the, it is what it says.

But even though I said, I would do to start doing less and less whispers of love and more about proactive, grieving, because I was under the impression that most people there's books about it all over the place now, and people have wanted me to write a book and I said, you know, running a book, it's like a man giving birth to a baby. I, you know, I did it, you know, I've done it twice.

You know, and I'm going to do a third one, but it's going to take forever just cause I'm joined the dialogue with Kelly. I may not even publish it. I just want to write it because we're, we're conversating, you know, I'm loving that, but to actually publish it again, I don't and, and whispers a lot of now it's become almost a term and people are talking about it more. You're, you know, embarrassed by it. But yet there's still a lot of people that are on the house.

So it's still an important subject to bring up. I, I just, I assuming everybody is on board with it now, but maybe they aren't.

I mean, you've mentioned a few, you said you're side, you know, which it's interesting because to me, the one thing about Judaism it's it's it's interesting. My, my son David mentioned something. He said that, um, Matt's passing was probably the most Jewish thing that happened to our immediate family because the Jewish people have had such tragedy. I mean, you just, you look back through history and we went to Israel.

I mean, you were saying the Matt's passing and, you know, we went to Massada thousand years mass suicide because they, they did the Jews didn't want to be taken by the Romans. And then you go through Spanish Inquisition and the crusades, the Holocaust is just, and a lot of tragedy, but out of that tragedy is always been a sense of survival and a sense of humor, which to me makes all of this journey, they were on this path of life worthwhile.

And I think with you, I could really sense that a lot, you have a sense of survival and a sense of humor. That makes you a great ambassador to tell these stories.

Yeah, Ronnie Black and called me. He goes, you're the only non Jew that I know that makes smells. I said, I liked smells. I know it's good for you, you know?

So we got to use his humor.

She decided to throw out all the Jews and, and either two choices, he had to leave Spain or convert to Catholicism or the third choice to get killed. So a lot of the Jews immigrated to Eastern Europe, Germany, Poland, Russia, and they needed a language too communicate with each other. So Yiddish came out of that. It's a, it's a, it's a form of German.

And as you get older, you know, you realize you're given so many breaths on this planet and when your breaths are up. You got no more breathing. We've all got that numbers of finite number for all of us. Some are longer, some are shorter and you know, it just shows you, it's not the number of breaths you have. It's what you do with those breaths and I think that's what all of our sons did the most with the breaths they had. And for that, we have to be thankful.

So it's a special, yeah, and I I'm so glad we got to do this, but I gotta go check on my, uh, my smoking support. Okay. Is that legal? Is that legal? You roll it up. I'm in a condo and I, what I always say it's better to ask forgiveness than permission.

So if you're very interested in the discussion on signs with Mitch Carmody, please check back on the YouTube channel and we'll have the videos available. So you can go back and actually see what Mitch was referring to. As we talked about signs during the episode. Thank you. Thank you for joining us on Hope Thru Grief with your co-hosts Marshall Adler and Steve Smellski.