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hit yet in this preseason. Last night, the Grizzlies and the Orlando Magic had a very interesting game because they left their starters in at the end and we're actually trying to win in the Orlando Magic looked really impressive. We're gonna talk about Paalo Benchero and Franz Wagner and Wendell Carter Jr. We're also going to talk a little bit about the Memphis Grizzlies and some stuff that I didn't like out of them in that game. And then

on today night, the Clippers and the Timberwolves played. I thought it was a good opportunity for us to see the Clippers within the context of this John Wall situation, trying to figure out whether or not he's gonna start. We got to see John Wall be aggressive in that game in the context of playing alongside Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. So I thought that was very informative. Um, you guys know the drill before we get started. Subscribe to the Volumes YouTube channel so you don't miss any

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you get your podcasts under Hoops tonight. And on that note, let's talk some basketball. So with the Timberwolves, I want to cover them more in depth later this week when Gobert actually plays. I targeted this game more for the purpose of seeing John Wall as well as Kauai and Paul Joe Orge. Um, but I do think the Timberwolves are going to rely on Gobert, probably more than any player on their roster this year, specifically because of how much he's gonna have to clean up on the defensive

end of the floor. They play against the Lakers tonight, and I would expect Gobert to play then. Um, if he doesn't play tonight, then there's a game from last week where they played against the Lakers without their stars. We'll at least get to take a look at how they looked offensively in some things along those lines. But We're not gonna spend too much time on the Timberwolves today. In this game, like I said, Gobert didn't play. The

perimeter defense was atrocious, as was their help defense. I was concerned about that coming into this season because they shipped off a lot of their best perimeter defenders. Jordan McLoughlin in particular, one of the guys that they talked about filling in kind of in that Patrick Beverley role was getting absolutely barbecued, giving up a ton of straight line drives, really struggling, is just a little bit undersized and just doesn't have good instincts, doesn't move his feet

super well. That was definitely concerning. Anthony Edwards and particular had some really nice isolation defense possessions against both Kauai and Paul George that just kind of reveal what his ultimate ceiling is, which is this dominant, you know, downhill power guard mixed with some legitimate wing defense in there. But it just was a whole It was a whole lot of Clippers getting that initial dribble penetration and then

no help on the backside. A lot of like the Clippers were really hurting Minnesota in this game with slips. So you know, uh, the Clippers are playing a lot of perimeter players. For the most part, all those Zubos gets in there, right. But what was happening in a lot of cases is because so many players on the Clippers can shoot so well off the dribble, Like if you go under a ball screen against almost anybody in

their rotation, they're gonna pull up off the dribble. And so as a result of that, they had to come really high out of their drop coverages and they would just you know, identify, you know, push the ball in transition, identify who had the big on them, run up to set the ball screen, and then immediately slip it. And they were consistently hitting that guy slipping to the basket, and there just was no resistance on the back line.

So translation, some of that is just the predicament that the Clippers put you in with how skilled they are on the perimeter. But a lot of it is just like Rudy Gobert is gonna have his work cut out for him. These perimeter players can't at least put up a little bit more resistance at the point of attack, It's gonna look a lot like the Utah Jazz over the course of the last couple of years, so that

was definitely concerning. Early on in the game, Anthony Edwards was spending a lot of time trying to attack, specifically Marcus Morris on switches, and early on Morris was holding up pretty well, but then he started to finally just kind of ripped through and use his speed and athleticism, and he was and when, as is to be expected, when Anthony Edwards got downhill, they got good stuff. Um

Delo hit some shots. He had a nice dunk off of like a high post cut where he passed made a post entry and then just cut off of him and got it and ended up dunking on um. I can't remember who was he dunked on somebody on the Clippers, but just in generally struggled to get separation. I'm not

the biggest deal fan out there. I still think that when push comes to shove this team, the eventual version of this team is gonna involve him either being a six man or being out being shipped off somewhere in pursuit of a player that's a better fit for them. Again, we're gonna dive deeper into the Timberwolves later on because I do want to spend a lot of time that with spending a lot of time talking about Gobert. But we're gonna hopefully get a better sample of that tonight

against the Lakers. So looking at the Clippers, UM, John Walls started in this game and Reggie Jackson came off the bench. UM in their first preseason game where they played all these guys, which I believe was like a week ago this past Monday, UM, in that game, Reggie Jackson started, John Wall came off the bench, and you can tell almost right away John John struggled kind of identifying one to be aggressive in that particular lineup. Today

with the starting group, he was super aggressive. We have not heard from Tyler whether or not he plans on starting one or the other. My expect he is that he starts Reggie and that he brings John Wall at the bench, and I think that makes the most sense. He's just gonna have to get through to John that specifically with that bench group, that's when he can really

turn it on and be aggressive. Because in this game with the starting group, John was persistently trying to put his head down and get to the rim, and he was having a lot of success, got to the foul line nine times, he had a man once he was he was John Wall looked usable, more than usable. It looked like a downhill guard that is going to be able to apply rim pressure and that is absolutely going

to bring a positive dynamic to this team. However, in that first shift Paul Georgian Kwai Leonard, it was kind of difficult to see where they were trying to get their touches and where their flow was in that particular offensive group. So I think it just makes more sense. First of all, Reggie Jackson is an aggressive guard. To the differences is Reggie Jackson is a gunner from the three point line, so he's just more natural off ball alongside those two. It makes more sense to me to

start Reggie. He's a little bit more willing to layoff ball. He's got experience playing alongside Paul George and Kawhi Leonard in a tertiary role. Let him kind of run that spot. Bring John Wall as your first sub, and you know, around the six minute mark of the first quarter, then have Reggie Jackson go to the bench, and you give john a better opportunity to be aggressive there. But again, he was getting to the room. He's drawing fouls, drawing

a lot of help defenders. There were a couple of crazy plays in this particular game where like he may or may not have gotten foul, but like he's elevating to the rim and bodies are just just colliding in mid air, and like three dudes would go to the ground like John and two players from the Minnesota Timberwolves. And then in the ensuing chaos, you know, they'd be pushing. Maybe they get a defensive rebound and push the other way, but maybe the Clippers would get an offensive rebound put back.

The point being he's like a wrecking ball just flying down hill. He's a lot bigger and stronger, uh than he was earlier on in his career when he was more thin, wiry and athletic. And it's just it's just a really interesting dynamic on this team, you know, um, the Clippers. One of the biggest downsides with the Clippers over the course of this era, this really disappointing Kauai and Paul George era has been their unwillingness to drive

to the basket. Kawhi Leonard does it from time to time, Um, but he likes to turn his back to the basket and operated on the post a lot. Paul George like last year was one of his best years attacking the basket. He had two point two made restricted area attempts per game, which was a huge part of why it was a

resurgent season from him. And I think, um, I think in general, if you look back to the previous yere one when he had his playoff run, that kind of erased a lot of the stigma that surrounded him throughout his career. The the the genesis of that kind of redemption for Paul George was putting his head down and getting to the rim that at the end of the day, this is a driving kick team, not a pull up

jump shooting team. That doesn't mean you can't take pull up jump shots, and this team has a lot of guys who are good at taking and making pull up jump shots, but at the end of the day, that's a lower quality shot that should be designed more to rescue possessions and or when a defense runs a really good two two v two pick and roll coverage and you need to take that type of shot. That's one thing. But this team is at their best when they're at

the rim. And shooting catch and shoot three. So getting another guy like John Wall in there who's very intentional, intentional about putting his head down and getting to the rim, I think that's going to be a positive dynamic for this team. Um. I did not get to see enough of John Wall defensively, mainly because the Wolves just weren't really trying to get downhill. The guy that Anthony Edwards kept trying to attack on switches was Marcus Morris Delos

just not much of a downhill player. This just wasn't the right game to get a good feel for John Wall in perimeter defense, sliding his feet and trying to contain quicker ball handlers. So I think I think I need to see a little bit more before I start making proclamations about how well he's gonna fit, because if

he struggles defensively, that's gonna be an issue. But over all, kind of zooming out the John Wall thing for what it was, which was a mid level exception signing of a player coming off an achilles tear who didn't play any basketball last year. There's a range of outcomes that could potentially happen there, and this is better than expected

so far. I think Clippers fans should be excited about that, but there is a lot to learn still there where he fits in the rotation, specifically either off the bench or or starting, and how he works on the defensive

end of the floor. Um looking at Kauai, So you know there was some place that I wanted to take this opportunity to talk about the difference between being yourself and being your best self as a basketball player, because, um, I think all of you guys who listen to the show, who play in some capacity or used to play in college or in high school are somewhat familiar with this concept, but people who don't play as much may not be.

You know, there's like a there's like a baseline of what you can do on a basketball court, like your ability to shoot, your ability to dribble, you know, your kind of natural feel for the speed of the game, right and there are there are stretches in your life when you're healthy and you're playing a lot, and you feel like your best self. You feel explosive. You feel like when you rise up into jumpers you're getting great lift.

You feel like when you try to make a move to get around a defensive player, you feel like you have a physical advantage when you're getting to the rim and contact is happening around you, you power through the contact and you finish at the rim. But then there are these stretches where maybe you're dealing with a nagging injury. This happens to me a lot with my wife, fills up my social calendar when we end up going on vacation, you know, out of town for a week or two.

Here they're like where you come back and it's like you still could shoot, you still have your handle, but like your body is just not right, Like you're you're not moving as well as you normally do, You're not

getting the right amount of lift on shots. You're kind of like losing those contact battles around the rim, and and that that is like a very frustrating phase to be in as a basketball player because you know that there's this better version of you that's there, but you know it's going to take a few weeks to get there, and that can get frustrating. And it's just kind of like the natural ebb and flow of being at your

peak physically versus being somewhere beneath that. And when you watch an NBA player who's in that phase, in the lower phase, in the phase where he's not quite where he's supposed to be. It's easy to think like, oh, that's Kauai, he's healthy, he's out there playing. Or you know Steph in the two thousand sixteen finals or Lebron in the two thousand fifteen finals when he had his

back injury. You can you can look at it and be like, you know that that looks like that player, but deep down they know that that's not their best

version of their of themselves. And that's kind of the vibe that I was picking up from Kauai in this game, Like Kauai's back, he's playing, um, he's still big and strong, and he's still can knock down, turnaround, fade away, and can knock down a pull up jumper going to his left or going to his right, but he just doesn't quite have the burst that he had in that playoff run when he really had it going, and there were still some highlights in there right like he had a

he had a play in the second quarter where he was running a pick and roll on the right side of the floor and he split the pick and roll and he dunked it, but it wasn't the same as when he like absolutely obliterated. I can't remember who it was on the Utah Jazz in playoff run uh dunking in his face where there's just like a ferociousness to it that wasn't there on this dunk where he's kind of just extending his arm and and putting the ball

in the basket like it's still highlight. It's still Kauai, but it's not the best version of himself. He made mid range fade away on the on the left elbow. He made a pull up jumper softly off the rim, going to his left, driving to the basket once in a pick and roll situation like he's he's making shots. He's Kauai, but there's just not quite that same burst. And you know, the reality is is there's some combination

of of factors at play here. It's some amount of you know, like chronic you know, degenerative knee stuff, and then some amount of that natural like I was been talking about with all the teams, that natural preseason training camp breaking through the physical wall thing. There's a little

bit of both of that happening there. The question is how much how much of is it of it is the knee which will not get better, and how much of it is the conditioning, which absolutely will get better, And that will be end up being the biggest swing factor for the Clippers in this season because if he can get his legs underneath them and look like the old kaway at some point, they're gonna be fine. Because that dude is one of the top six players in

the NBA. But if he's you know, somewhat compromised physically, then he turns into a guy that can attack some mismatches and knocked down some shots, and he can play some solid defense, but that's not that's not a top ten player if he can't move his feet and he doesn't have that burst that he usually has. So it's gonna be a really really interesting thing to track with him. Um.

But man, it was glaring on tape. Left a lot of jumpers short in that game, which is always a telltale sign of a player doesn't have his legs underneath them. Paul George more or less looked like PG in this game. He just didn't shoot well. Um. The one of the things that one of the thing I wanted to point out with the Clippers before we move on to the next game. Uh, overall slow footedness, and this kind of

goes for both teams. By the way, there were some moments in this game where you're watching them run up and down the floor and you're like, man, these teams are slow because first of all, they started zoobots and he's not overly fast, right, And then you go over to Minnesota and Carl Towns isn't overly fast. Angelo Russell isn't overly fast like. They just kind of looked a little bit slow. And a big part of it is

the Clippers. You know, it's funny because myself included, we've talked a lot about how many wings they have, and they do have a ton of wings, make no mistake, but a lot of their wings are wings and size, but not wings and quickness. They've got some older guys that are aging that don't move super well, like Marcus Morris, a good wing. Played really well, good versatile offensive game from him in this game, but he's just a little bit slow footed and when Anthony Awards really tried to

get around him, he couldn't stop him. Nick Betune, really solid role player in this league, a good smart wing starting to get a little slow Robert Covington, you know, had some plays in this game cutting to the basket, you know, making plays in passing lanes just a little bit slow. And and then when you factor in Kawai and John Wall coming in off of these significant injuries,

it's just this it's gonna be matchup dependent. But it'd be really interesting to see if they ran into a team like the Golden State Warriors in a Western Conference finals series. They're gonna have a size advantage on the perimeter, but the Warriors are gonna have a big quickness and footspeed advantage. So it's just it's just something to keep an eye on. There is no perfect team in this league right now. All the teams of glaring flaws, even the teams on the top. But it's just something to

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to the Grizzlies in the Magic. So I want to start with the Magic here because they were I turned on this game because I wanted to see, like John Moran and how his progression is defensively and just in general, how the Grizzlies look in terms of their sharpness on the defensive end of the floor. Uh, and in the habits and stuff like that. But I would ended up being kind of taken aback by one how talented the Magic are, to how organized and well coached they are.

We need to take some time to shout out Jamal Moseley here, because like this team looked organized on offense, they were running a ton of stuff out of horns, which is like the perfect set to run when you have two really good post players and in this case are two really good forwards, I should say, And in this case you got Wendell Carter Jr. And Alboncero. Both of them are huge. Wendell is a really solid defensive

player who's got vertical spacing. He knocked down at three in this game, at least one three in this game. And then Paula Boncero is just a walking mismatch creator at six ft ten and as big and strong as he is, and they were running a lot of a lot of stuff out of Horns to get their best players in the right spots. They had a really interesting action to start the game. Um that was a kind of a cross screen action in Horns that flowed into a double uh double high ball screen and Wendell Carter Jr.

Just slipped it while Paula popped. Like we always talked about that double pick and roll. Someone slipped, someone's pop, someone pops, but you don't know who it is. They both can shoot, they both can dive to the rim. Who's it gonna be? Well when Dell slipped it and he was actually the first screen in the action and he was wide open and ended up throwing down a dunk, And like, uh, just in general, they they were um running actions on a lot of their possessions down the floor,

which is uncommon in the end yea. They were working with smart stuff to get Palo and advantage either curling around screens or to get him switched on too smaller defensive players. They were just really well organized. They even ran They even ran a two to one full court zone press for large portions of this game, which is

almost unheard of at the NBA level. And it was just a really smart little wrinkle from Jamal Moseley because what it ended up doing was it turned a lot of Memphisis possessions into late clock possessions before they even got across half court. Like they swing the ball back and forth and methodically work their way up against the press. All of a sudden, there's eleven seconds on the shot clock and and John Muran's got the ball at the top of the key. You can't really run anything. It's like,

go create a shot. You better, you better beat someone off the dribble, and and that was kind of an interesting dynamic. Now, I don't think you could ever run that extensively over the course of the season because I think eventually teams would figure out how to beat your press for dunks. So that's the one thing to keep an eye on. But I like the effort. I like the effort, and who knows, maybe maybe it ends up being something that they can lean on for large portions

of the season. But I did want to take a second to shout out Jamal Moseley. The other thing that kind of just popped off the screen was just the talent on this roster. Franz Wagner we're gonna talk about here in a little bit, just do everything, big wing, Pala Moncero another do everything, big wing. Wendow Carter Jr. Was super impressive this game on both ends of the floor. Just flashes of jump shooting, heat window. Carter Jr. Really

really took this game home at the end. Like I said, both teams left their starters in and Wendell in particular made every big play down the stretch of this game. And then obviously Franz Vogner made two plays at the end of the game. We're going to get to that in a minute. But Bowl Bowl was out there looking like a good NBA basketball player. And then don't forget Jalen Sucks is on this team. Although he's dealing with

an injury right now. I believe the injury was less severe than they originally thought, so I think that's good news on that front. Hopefully ends up coming back at some point in the season. It is. This is a team that is really fascinating and like and and Terence Ross for for you know, for the record, is just a really solid NBA two guard that can do a lot of stuff on both ends of the floor, and a really important pull up jumper off of a curl

at the end of this game. You obviously have Jonathan Isaac potentially coming back into the picture if he can ever get his ramp up going. This team has a ton of talent, and so I know it's been a long boring stretch of Orlando Magic basketball, but they're gonna be an interesting team, uh in a good league. Pass watch this year. Uh. And for for starters, they they came out the gates in this game and just kind

of beat Memphis ass. They were up twenty three nine, I believe at one point off of a trailing Window Carter Junior three in the first quarter, and then it got close late in the game. John Conchard made a three to tie the game at nine, and then from there it was the Window Carter Junior and Frons Wagner show. So uh, John Contrat makes a three to tie the

game at ninety five. They go down the floor, they run one of their horn sets, and Window Carter Jr. Just fakes a dribble handoff and and whips around to his left and goes all the way to the rim.

Xavier Tilman kind of lunges too far to hedge on the dribble handoff and when Dell just takes him right to the basket for an and one recurring theme down the stretch of this game, Xavier Tilman really struggled defensively, jumping out of position way too easily, offering too much help, and Wendell Carter Junior made in pay, and that's what

you want from a big. Bigs are trained to think that they can help all over the place because typically biggs are unskilled offensively, so they can be roamers defensively. If you're big, can consistently make teams pay for not guarding him or for helping off of him. It just

makes a lot of NBA defensive schemes struggled. So after he makes the free throw to put him up three, uh, John moreen gets switched on Window Carter Jr. And then tries to drive to the basket on him and doesn't even come close to making the layup because Wen Dell

just smothers him with his size. John More had a really rough night in this game, in large part because Window Carter Jr. Was bothering him at the rim and then John Morien's jumper wasn't falling, and with these big super athletic guard are these little super athletic cars, I should say, when they're jumper fails them, teams can really sag back on them and then a lot search to

fall apart for them. On the last play of the game, when Franz Wagner picked John Moran, a big part of why he picked him is he's able to continuously backpedal and he knows Jaw is gonna drive because he doesn't have confidence in his shot. It just makes you one dimensional. It makes you a lot easier to guard. Um So Magic had the ball up three, Franz ended up traveling on a post up Uh. Desmond Baine end up driving

and making a layup on Cole Anthony. Also, Cole Anthony did not look great on either end of the floor in this game. But then on the next possession, Franz Wagner runs a pick and roll with Wendell Carter Jr. And when Dell slips it once again, um Uh. Xavier Tillman on this play like wildly hedged out on to Franz's right hand, even though it was like twenty six

ft away. From the basket, and he wasn't super aggressive shooting off the dribble in this game, although he did make a big one at the end and Uh Window Carter Jr. Just slipped it, Franz hit him and he made an easy, little like twelve foot jump shot. Once again, Xavier told me he was just all over the place in this game. But from there, Uh Dylan Brooks ended up missing a three, and then Terence Ross got fouled on the three. He made two out of three free

throws to put them up five. Jah ended up having a crazy out of control drive where he lost control of the basketball but then just threw up some junk and it went in and he got an and one brought it back to two. But on the last possession, the last sequence, Franz Woggner gets Brandon Clark on a switch and he does that high hesitation with his right hand.

And again I always tell young basketball players build your offensive set out of high hesitations, because one, refs don't call carries anymore, and two it's the perfect bridge move that bridges all moves together. You can go from a high hesitation into it in and out back into a high hesitation into it through your legs, high hesitation, behind the back, high hesitation, or any combination to high hesitation.

You could do it anywhere. And then most importantly, from a high hesitation, you can go up to a jump shot, or you can just push the ball in front of you and go to the basket. It's like the ultimate bridge move. So Franz has Brandon Clark on an ice, so does like a stutter step and goes into his

high hesitation and then just pulls the ball back. And when he pulls the ball back, Brandon Clark kind of takes a defensive slide step to the left and now there's like ten ft of separation and France just sticks a cold blood at three from the top of the key to put him up five. And then like I told you, guys, Jaw forces the action back down on the other end of the floor and immediately gets stripped by France. So a lot of talent in this on this team. They went out there and they whooped Memphis

ass in that game. They're gonna be a fun team to watch in League pass. I I I think I think that uh, I think that they're going to be a team that is up and coming over the course of the next few years. One last note on Palabun Chair before we get out of here. He first of all, he looks huge, which is not a big surprise. He looks huge when I went to go watch him in Summer League. Um, the size thing is legitimately going to

be a problem for teams. There was a really interesting play that Jamal Moseley ran which I thought was smart. They cleared the right side for Palo, and Palo is in the corner and then they had Cole Anthony go and said a wide pinned down on Palo's man who's guarding called Anthony John Moran Right, So, um, I can't remember who it was that was guarding Um, that was guarding Palo, but uh, they had to chase Palo over the top of the screen, right, well, who's helping it's

John Moran. The guy who's helping on the curl is John Moran. So uh, Palo's got his defender behind him and he catches the ball and he just powered right through jaw Um for an easy layup. And I'm just sitting there thinking like I'm like, that's such an easy basic action that the Magic can run to get just about anything. They want around the rim, clear the side, put pal Palo over there. Have your smallest guard goes set a wide pinned down, have him curl around it.

If the defender goes underneath the screen, he can pop and he can get wide open ten fifteen footers all game long, and if he chases him over the top of the screen, he's just in a power through jaw every single time. Actually, I think on that particular play ended up drawing a goaltending called as the defender tried to come over the top, which once again, when you're chasing over the top of the screen, you're already out

of position. So it's just it's just a really it's just a really interesting dynamic that Palo brings to this team. Another size related thing, there was a play where Santi Aldama tried to box him out underneath the basket, and Pallo just buried him under the rim, jumped over the top of him, grabbed an offensive rebound, and put it

back in for an and one plus the foul. So like, he's just a he's a big dude who's skilled as hell from all spots on the floor, and he's just going to score the basketball easy for his entire NBA career. It's almost like a big power forward version of Carmelo Anthony, like a little bit bigger version of him, not as quick, but bigger and has a little bit more of a power game. His handle looks smooth and confident, especially when

he's given space by big defenders. He can get a little bit loose with it when when he gets a little congested around him, and then he transitions from dribble to shot very smoothly, which is one of the most underrated skills in basketball. The ability to go into a shot from any spot on the floor. That's what That's what's gonna make him such a dynamic pull up shooter over the years, and he just thrives in the physicality, doesn't shy away from it, inflicts his size on people.

He's one of my favorite young players in the league. I still think I'd like the I'm torn right now between whether or not I think Palo's the best or Jade and Ivy's the best, because I'm so high on Jade and Ivy and his ability to get drivel penetration. But I think I lean Palo right now is the best player in this class, all right. That is all I have for today guys. As always, I sincerely appreciate

your support. Later this week, we're going to have um, We're gonna hit on a couple of other teams that we haven't hit on yet. We're also going to uh do a breakdown of the Redeemed Team documentary, which I have not actually watched yet, but it's on my list to watch tomorrow morning, so we'll be covering that as well. As always, I sincerely appreciate you guys support and I will see you next time. And the volume