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Have you money? Everybody? Hope all of you guys had an incredible weekend. Well, in case you missed it earlier today, me and Jovan Buja went for about an hour on the Lakers. I did say in that video that I was going to do a update on the Clippers, who are oh and four since the hard and trade and then a Power Rankings video. But my crazy ass can't do a Power Rankings video without doing like a deep
dive on every team. So I got through like five of the teams, and then it's already five o'clock local time, and I'm supposed to be going to a friends giving thing tonight. So we're gonna run the entirety of the Power Rankings video tomorrow. I'm gonna be hitting on ten teams and a good amount of detail. I just didn't
have enough time to get through that today. So in this video, we're just gonna do a deep dive on the Clippers in their zero to four start in the James Harden era, and then I have four mail bag questions as well for the end of the show that we'll hit that are going to allow us to bounce around to a couple of different topics. You guys know the joke before we get started. Subscribe to our brand new YouTube channel in case you didn't realize, we have
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some basketball. So the Clippers are zero to four since the Hard and Trade compared to all other NBA teams in their last four games, they are twenty eighth in offense, twenty fifth in defense, and twenty seventh in net rating, so basically terrible at everything. They're also only securing sixty four percent of available defensive rebounds, which ranks twenty eighth
in the league over that span. We're gonna spend a good amount of time talking about rebounding here later on, because the Clippers are more or less the same construct as they used to be, and they were a great rebounding team. Seeing the difference between having rangey wings all over the floor when it comes to grabbing rebounds and having guards that aren't necessarily as dialed into the dirty work, and how quickly that can kind of turn things in
the wrong direction. But you know what's interesting is I pulled up the video this morning because, as you guys know, like I'm covering all these different teams, and I'm doing deep dives on teams, and I'll watch two three games at a in a sitting, and I haven't had a chance to really to really check in on the Clippers yet.
And so this morning I went back and I watched the Clippers, and I am expecting this like total shit show of James Harden and Russell Westbrook mistakes kind of driving the issues that they're having, and that could not have been further from the case. It's not to say that there aren't issues with Russell Westbrook and James Harden. We're going to discuss those, but really, like there are some guys in house that just aren't playing very good basketball right now, and so I think it's important to
differentiate between those two things. Why are the Clippers zero in four in their last four games? And was the James Harden trade a terrible idea? That's submarine to their season. Those are like two kind of different topics in my opinion. So let's start with why are the Clippers zero and four in their last four games? Their stars are playing like shit and they can't secure a defensive rebound to save their lives. Kawhi Leonard was bad again against the Grizzlies.
In this four game span, he's averaging nineteen points per game on forty six percent, shooting thirty percent from three and now. It doesn't sound terrible, but compared to star Kawhi not very good right and certainly not near as efficient as you're expected to seeing from him. And honestly, when I watch him on tape, he looks a little like stuck in the mud right now. He's not getting great lift on his jump shots, he's not getting great separation, not really getting to his spots as well as he
usually does. I'm not sure if he's dealing with a nagging injury, or if it's related to rhythm or just a random down patch in his athleticism, or what the deal is. He doesn't look very good. Paul George in the last four game seventeen points per game on thirty four percent from the field twenty three percent from three
in his averaging more turnovers than assists. So like at the end of the day, I always say about the Lakers, right, like, when Lebron James and Anthony Davis aren't playing well, it's impossible for role players to kind of make up for that around them, right you know what I mean? Like, regardless of what James Harden does or what Russell Westbrook does or any specific role players do, if your two best players are playing like shit, you're gonna have a
really hard time winning basketball games. And right now, Paul George and Kawhi Leonard are not playing well. And then the second part is the defensive rebounding part. And we're gonna get to the to the offense in a little bit because like, again, there's there's a case to be made that why are Paul George and Kawhi Leonard not playing well? Well? Maybe the rhythm of the offense is
thrown off. Now you've added this super complicated piece in James Harden that kind of changes the dynamic of everything. And the answer to that is, like you usually get for me, a little bit of both, right, Like it's some of it is the new guys. Some of it is rhythm and some of it is those two guys just aren't playing well either. And like I said, KWHI doesn't look particularly explosive right now. So again we're gonna talk about that more in a minute. But that's not
the only part of it. The other half of it is essentially the Zubac problem, and it really just has to do with overall roster size, but it kind of starts with Zubak. So obviously Plumbly gets hurt and now Musa Diabat is getting your backup center minutes and he's a borderline, you know, he's a guy that you don't want to have in your rotation if you're a serious basketball team. Right, But the other half of it is a Zubac piece, right. Tylu insists on going small a
lot of the time. Why because Zubax is one of many centers in the league that is a guy that can eat some regular season innings. But when push comes to shove, you can't necessarily have him on the floor because it's easy enough to space him out and on one end of the floor and drive by him and then on the offensive end of the floor. It can kind of cause problems for your spacing, and Tyler has shown us over the years he wants to go down. So with small ball, he wants to space you out,
he wants to pick you apart. With drive and kick basketball. He wants to switch everything and fly around with ball pressure on defense. And that's more often than not the strategy he's gonna fall back on when things are going bad.
Even against Memphis, when things were going bad late third quarter, early fourth quarter, We're going small and we're just gonna switch everything and apply a ton of ball pressure and run it down your throat and transition like that was the way they got back into the game against Memphis. But there's a huge difference between this version of that small ball lineup and what we saw in the past.
Like you keep forgetting that it was usually a small ball lineup that had Kawhi and Paul George alongside Nick Patoum, another six foot eight guy who could grab long rebounds and could defend on the perimeter. Right Marcus Morris last year. Marcus Morris has gotten a lot older, but last year was another big body that was out there in a lot of those groups. The Clippers are small now outside
of their core two guys like non center. So we got to take Mussa Diabate and if Ita Zubac out of the equation, and we take Kawhi and Paul George out of the equation. Here are the other four guys who played minutes for the Grizzlies last night or for against the Grizzlies last night. James Harden who's six ' five, Russell Westbrook who's sixty three, Terrence Man who's six 's five, and Norman Powell who's six three. So now these small
ball lineups are like preposterously small. We're talking three guys six to five or smaller. And then Kawhi Leonard and Paul George right. And it's funny because you're even seeing Kauhi and Paul George struggle physically because they keep getting matched up with gigantic players in the front court that otherwise you'd have a Marcus Morris matched up with Right. Otherwise you'd have a bigger, more athletic forward matched up
with Right. And so that was kind of where that like even that Kenyon Martin junior piece when he was included in the sixers deal, You're like, man, that's another front court athlete that the Clippers let out the door in this deal in addition to all the draft compensation and stuff, and like again down the stretch, the Clippers got a lot of stops against Memphis, but there was you know what was a ninety eight ninety eight after the corner three from James Harden in the right corner,
and the Clippers go down and get another stop, but you ended up with You end up with Norman Powell in a switch on Bismack Biambo underneath the basket, and he tries to box him out and commits a foul because he's dead to rights underneath the basket, and Beyonmbo's gonna end up getting that and putting it back up and in right like when push comes to shove. They are struggling on the defensive glass because of the aggregate size of those groups. Again, in this four game sample,
they're securing just sixty four percent of defensive rebounds. They give up twenty one second chance points to the Memphis Grizzlies. So part of the issue here is like you don't trust your centers to play, but you don't have the aggregate size to play small, and that puts them in a real predicament, and that kind of brings you back to the crux of the James Harden trade and the kind of predicament it puts you in because again, like,
what would you had this? You had assets, right, because you had what two first round picks, a first round pick swap, and two second round picks that you included in the James Harden trade. Right, So you threw a lot of draft compensation at this deal, including your front court depth. Right, So you gave up your front court
depth and all your draft compensation. Now, the counterpoint for the Clippers is, like, you know, Nick patom was kind of on his last legs, Marcus Morris was like literally done, Roco's literally done. You know, Kennon Martin Junior wasn't really getting that many minutes for us, So we don't really
need those guys. And I understand that, I understand the thought process there, But why aren't you then trying to upgrade those guys if those guys are important parts of your ability to contend in your small ball units and now they're outdated and not doing the job for you, which I would argue Nick Patum was fine, at least in the terms of the regular season, right, and I certainly don't think he was an issue even if you were, like, I want to upgrade Marcus Morris, Go upgrade Marcus Morris.
Go find another big athletic forward or maybe a center that Tylu trusts to play at the end of games. But instead you gave up everything you had in the front court for a redundancy another offensive minded shot creator on a team like never really had offensive issues when Push came to show, right, when we look at it, yes, in the bubble, it was a catastrophe. They completely crumbled and fell apart offensively against the Nuggets and got picked
apart on defense. It was bad in that series. But outside of that, in the four year sense, it's either been injuries or you know, the offense looking fine in spite of that. Right, So, essentially twenty twenty one they looked great, and then Kuhi got hurt, and then they still looked great, spacing teams out, switching, defending, doing all those things. Paul George leads them to within two wins
of the finals. Right then injuries submarine you in twenty twenty two, Right, twenty twenty three, they look great, they're about to They're literally on the verge of taking a two to zero lead against the Suns in Game two when Kawhi Leonard gets hurt. So like again, like they were, everything was fine offensively in the last few years. It
was injuries that kept submarining you. You did is you kind of like mischaracterized the problem as a superstar depth problem when the reality is is you can't win when Kauhi gets hurt anyway. So you have to build the roster around the idea that Kuhi is gonna be healthy and just hoping that he's healthy when it matters, and then you have the rest of the things to push you over the top. Instead, they won a different direction.
They gave up all their front court depth for a redundancy in the back court, and so now they look bad. But here's the thing. They will get better. They will have better offensive stretches than what they've shown in the last four days. There's too much talent there. They're gonna figure some things out. We got to see a little bit of the James Harden Kawhi Leonard pick and roll in the second quarter of this Grizzlies game. There was there.
I guess it was in the first quarter. If I remember correctly, but they ran that same picking kind of like soft roll to fifteen feet that he used to run with em beat all the time and set Kawhi entered up with the wide open jumper on the left side, and honestly, the chemistry was a little off because he threw the bounce pass too far ahead of him. Like,
they'll get better at that in time. There was another one on the right wing or Kawi popped to the three point line, but Qui didn't set a very good screen because he hasn't done a lot of screen setting in his career. So like, again, he'll get better at that and they'll figure that stuff out. Like the Kuhi James Harden pick and roll is gonna be something that they have some success with. Obviously they've had a lot of offensive success with Russell Westbrook and Kawi, Leonard and
Paul George. There's gonna be more lineups like that where they kind of put those three together with James off the floor and let him go to work. They basically did that through the entire middle of the fourth quarter against Memphis. So like they're gonna be better on the offensive end of the floor. There are good times that will come from this over the course of this regular season.
The problem is is, like those other issues, the issues defensively and on the glass, those aren't going away, and those will eventually have to be rectified if this team has any hope of winning a championship, right, because at the end of the day, you don't trust Zubac and you aren't big enough on the front line to go small,
and that puts you in a really tough position. And you just burned all your draft capital going after James Harden, which handcuffs your ability to make a trade at the deadline relative to what you would have been able to do otherwise. And again, like if you're if you're saying to me, like, oh, it's because we can't trust Russell Westbrook in the playoffs, so we needed a better guard to play in that spot. Okay, fine, but then how
how is this the way you went about it? Bringing Russ back, having him run the team, then bringing James
in all the problems that come from that. James checks in for Russell Westbrook in the final two minutes yesterday and Russ like like basically pounts on the bench with the towel over his head and won't even celebrate when James Harden makes a three in the corner right in front of him to tie the game, Like you just jumbled up all of that stuff too with the chemistry, So it's a it's a confusing it was a really
confusing team building method for them to target. And I think this is the latest in a long line of examples, from the Nets with the K D. Harden and Kyrie, to the to even the Sun so far this year, to the Clippers in this post James Harden trade experiment, Like when you load up on stars, there is a diminishing return. That first star brings full star value, that second star brings full star value, that third star, it's usually a diminishing return that fourth star. The bottom can
fall out in a lot of cases. If you guys have been listening to the show for the you know, year and a half or whatever I've been with the volume or longer since before I started with the volume, you hear a pretty consistent theme from me. There's a
list of responsibilities on the basketball court. Stars fill different responsibilities than role players typically do, and when you load up on stars, you start to have overlap and redundancy, whereas when you have stars that take the two main you know, star responsibilities, and then you have professional role players who do nothing but learn how to win game or help win teams win games alongside stars. When you have those guys out there, that's when that meter gets
full and you start to rack up wins. It's when you get cute and you start to try to think about the names rather than the compatibility of the roster that you start to have problems. I do believe Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Kawhi Leonard, and Paul George will find a way to win a good amount of basketball games this year in the regular season just by virtue of their talent. But the fact remains, they don't trust any of their centers and they can't play Kawhi Leonard and Paul George
at the four and five. They're way too damn small, and so they there's a significant roster need that they that they opened up or exacerbated with the James Harden trade and the player they got back they're getting a diminished return from because of the fact that they already have two superstars and they already had a guard that could help get them set up in better position. So it's definitely off to a rough start. It's definitely gonna
get better. But I do think that this this recent sequence has been a great, you know, kind of expression of the of the reality of the roster's limitations in the front court. And I don't think that they're going to be fixed anytime soon. And I don't think that there's a veteran minimum guy that can solve this problem or a buyout candidate. I mean, maybe they get lucky, but things look pretty rough right now for the Clippers. All right, moving on to the mailbag, I got four
questions for you guys today. First one, what teams do you think could benefit from a player like d Lo and would also give the Lakers a player in return that's more fitting. So again, like we talked about this a little bit with Yovann Boujai earlier today, but Dangel Russell is a good basketball player. He is just a redundancy on the Lakers right in the same way that you have two stars and Lebron James and Anthony Davis
and Austin Reeves. Is like this skill guard that's not a top tier athlete, Well, you have another skill guard who's not a top tier athlete next to him, and so their backcourt is like if you just took those winning responsibilities and you shrunk it down to just what the backcourt is responsible to, they have a redundancy there
and that's their issue, right. But Dangel Russell is a good player, especially within the context of the regular season, So how would you make him work in a vac You want to put him alongside lots of great athletes, right, and a team that would need his high level shot creation. D'Angel Russell is a very very good passer in pick and roll, especially in the regular season when things are
a little more fast and loose. He's pretty consistently been a good playmaker for the Lakers in terms of like assist, the turnover ratio, and things like that. So the four teams I wrote down were like the Toronto Raptors, a team that has a ton of athleticism but lacks shot creation. The Orlando Magic, a team that has a ton of size and athleticism, but their guards are a little bit
inconsistent creating shots. Right. The Memphis Grizzlies another team that could really use another shot creator, so they have a better chance of succeeding when Desmond Baine is off the floor. The New York Knicks is another team. I put down that it has a ton of point of attack defense and size and athleticism, and maybe could use one more shot creator on the floor, you know, so that you know it's not just a manual quickly himself trying to create shots in the bench unit, if that makes sense.
So those are four examples. Next mail back question, I know you forecasted that Jonathan Minga will be a star in the NBA. I was curious as to how you can tell. As a Dubs fan, I see his insane athleticism plus work ethic, but I also don't know how guaranteed, barring injury, that he reaches superstardom. The stardom, I should say, the main thing that I'm looking at with Jonathan Minga is that people can't guard him without fouling him. It's literally that simple. He had another two big free throw
games over the weekend. He is averaging I want to say, nine free throw attempts per thirty six minutes in this what'says his third season if I remember correctly. So like that to me is a strong indicator of like consistently getting defenders out of position. From there, it's basically a combination of your ability to actually make shots and your ability to see the floor. And he's demonstrated through through these three years a steady line of improvement in shot
making and a steady line of improvement decision making. Still is a long way to go on the viision making side. I think he's probably a solid, you know, three four years away from truly reaching any sort of fringe star
type of level. But he's such a good athlete. He has such good size, and you can see that with every time he makes a movie as defenders out of position and they start hacking him, and he's getting to the line a ton, And I think that's a really strong indicator of like his ability to get to his spots and get defenders out of position. And then again, there's enough progress in terms of his shot making and
decision making over this young stretch of his career. Like again, he's still just a kid relative to the rest of the league. Imagine this kid at twenty six, twenty seven years old, when he has the you know, when he's seen three hundred NBA games worth of of you know, defenses loaded up on him and facing double teams in the post He's I don't have the numbers in front of me, but he's still up over one point two points per possession in post ups this year, including passes.
That to me is a strong indicator of just how difficult it is to handle him down there. It's like he's making a lot of mistakes down there, but he's still hitting shot and drawing fouls, and that's pushing him into productivity. And so the Warriors have trusted him a lot, especially at the end of games, compared to where he was in previous years. I think there's plenty there from Jonathan Kminga that demonstrates again nine free throw attempts for
thirty six minutes is insane. And it's not like foul grifty stuff. He's straight up just getting defenders out of position. All right. Third question, Jason, could you give your thoughts on Adam Silver's disappointment in NBA commentary and how he wishes it was covered, how he wishes it covered more
x's and o's. Also, do you have a favorite NBA commentator, So for those of guys who missed it, Adam Adam Silver went on with JJ Reddick and he basically was like he's sick of the whole, like one team tried harder type of commentary. And it's tough because like effort is a significant factor in NBA regular season games, it just is. There's over the course of eighty two there are nights where like one team just is just locked
in and the other team's not. We I refer to it through force, right, Like a player playing with more force goes a long way towards him holding up better at the point of attack, holding up better at the glass, his ability to beat people off the dribble. All of that is kind of related to the overall force you play with, and that can ebb and flow right, like Austin Reeves playing with tons of horse like he did
last year. Average to above average defender, certainly not a negative defender, someone that held up well in the Lakers scheme this year, not playing with much force on the defensive ender on the glass, he's been like a problem defensively and on the glass. So you could see like that stuff does matter. However, that's only one small part
of the equation. The other part of the equation is like how naturally basketball players fit together like different you know, good offensive process versus bad offensive process, the chess match that takes place at the end of games, and I think, you know, maybe I'm biased because I'm a nut job with this stuff, but like, I find that to be incredibly fascinating, and I think that I think that there's a lot in the fan experience that could be improved
by making it easier for fans to understand some of the more detailed things that are taking place on the court. And like I think JJ Reddick, ironically, for the purpose of this question, who's your favorite NBA game commenter right now? It's JJ Reddick. I feel like when I'm watching broadcast on ESPN, and it's kind of a good vibe because you know, JJ and Richard Jefferson kind of are bouncing off each other, you know, making jokes and having fun.
But at the same time, like you can tell JJ's intently watching the game, trying to pick up on the little chess pieces that are moving around, and he's putting that information out there. He's not the only one, but he's my personal favorite. I think he's doing an amazing job and is adding a lot to that experience. But in general, I think, like that's my goal with this show.
I'm not the only guy who does this. There's a lot of guys that have shows that kind of a similar vibe in the sense that, like this is what makes the game fun. What makes the game fun is getting into the weeds of how a basketball team is winning or losing, how a player is succeeding or failing. That,
to me is what makes the game fascinating. And like basketball is unique in the sense that, like the best team doesn't always win, and you can outperform your t talent by you know, continuity, chemistry, execution, all those little things can make a big difference, and I think that it's important to translate that experience to the fan. One
last question, what happened to the Warriors this weekend? So the Warriors lost their second game to Cleveland at home on Saturday, and then they turned around had to play the next night against the Timberwolves, and the Timberwolves beat them too, And in both games they were kind of it kind of looked like they were struggling to hang,
especially in terms of perimeter quickness. There's a very consistent theme that I've talked about with the Warriors ever since last year's playoff run, is like the Lakers kind of put together a book for how to slow down the warrior offense, which is like, if you have legitimate rim protection, you straight up ignore the Looney Draymond front court and in terms of scoring ability, and you basically tell all your perimeter players to top lock, meaning like you deny
them the use of the screen and force them to back door cut into your rim protection. And then your rim protectors basically have to ride the loeo of kind of like seeing where their perimeter defenders are and if they're caught on a screen, they need to show high and offer a contest. And if not, if the defenders kind of lingering behind and staying attached, they'll sag back and constantly have to go up and down to the
level of the screen and back. Like if you've got athletic centers that can protect the rim and get up and down in your drop coverages and your perimeter defenders are engaged and deny the use of screens, you can completely stifle the warrior defense. And there's a very specific reason why, which we'll get into in a second, but you saw that with the Jared Allen Evan Mobley front
court alongside their perimeter defenders. That third quarter run that they went on in that Warriors game on Saturday night, great example of this. Like when they are just flying around on the perimeter, they are very very difficult to get open against. You got Carousel Vert could be impossible to screen sometimes, Max Strus is flying around making extra efforts. Even their guards, even Garb and Mitchell, are really trying
on the defensive end. And then Minnesota is like a way better version of what Cleveland brings to the table. They've got Rudy Gobert, who's a better rimp protector than Jared Allen or Evan Mobley, and they have way better perimeter defenders than Cleveland. They've got Jaden McDaniels, who's the best perimeter defender in the league in my opinion, Anthony Edwards who's capable of that, although he doesn't always give that level of effort to Kaile, Alexander Walker, Kyle Anderson.
You guys get the point, Like they just are like a kind of like a more dramatic version of that. And so how do you beat that if you're the Warriors, Because the Warriors are still a good team. This is a matchup thing. So how do the Warriors solve that
specific matchup issue. Well. Once again, just like in the Lakers series, there was nothing in terms of offensive production outside of Steph Right in that playoff series, they couldn't get anything out of Clay, they couldn't get anything out of Jordan Poole, and they didn't use Andrew Wiggins enough and it ended up being an issue. Right, same kind of thing in this weekend. They got thirty points per game out of Andrew Wiggins, Klay Thompson and Chris Paul.
That's not enough you need. Like again, Andrew Wiggins was the second best player on the title team in that seventeen to eighteen point per game area. Klay Thompson needs to be up around eighteen points per game in order for him to provide the offensive punch that's necessary. Chris Paul, you need to be getting ten to twelve points per
game out of him. That trio needs to be giving you about fifty points a game in order for Like in rhythm those whether it's Wiggins attacking close outs, knocking down spot up three is occasionally posting up a mismatch, Klay Thompson creating shots in his off ball action, in his on ball action, Chris Paul making shots in pick and roll and beating switches in pick and roll. Like, those guys have to provide offensive punch. It can't just
be Steph. And once again, you have thirty four points per game out of Steph this weekend, but the offense is completely inapt. I think they were at like a one oh six or one oh seven offensive rating in the two games. And so at the end of the day, it's not so much that they can't beat teams like this. In order to beat this type of matchup, the heavy perimeter defense with rim protection type of team, that's that's
kind of denying them their screening actions. They've got to get static half court shot creation out of Wiggins, Clay and Chris Paul to have any chance to hang offensively. Again, it's not like they're getting just utterly blown out in these games. They just don't have enough firepower to hang against this specific type of matchup right now. But this is a problem that can be fixed within the locker room. Andrew Wiggins is just a shell of himself this year.
Andrew like, for lack of a better way to describe it, basically, since he got back from his personal absence, last year, he hasn't been the same guy. That's been a problem. Going back to the Clippers topic from the beginning of the show, when you're not when your best players aren't playing well, it's hard to win. Your best player's playing great, but the guy who is your second best player on the championship team is not playing well right now, that's
a significant hurdle that you have to overcome. And then again, Chris and Clay, they gotta give you offensive firepower. That's literally what they collect paychecks for. You've got to get more out of them. I'm not worried about the Warriors in the big picture. I think this again is matchup related, and I do think they have the firepower to handle this. In the locker room. They just got to get better
play out of those guys. All right. That's all I have for today is always a sincerely appreciate you guys. We'll be back tomorrow with power rankings, maybe a game reaction or two, depending on how the night's night goes. As always, I appreciate you guys, and I will see you then. The volume