Hoops Tonight - Top 25 Players of Last 25 Years: What Giannis Antetokounmpo does better than anyone

bag questions that we're hitting before each player. I had someone shoot me a direct message asking why I have Michael Jordan over Lebron James all time, being the Lebron fan that I am, and I've never really taken the time to break that down. So we're gonna hit that off the top, and then we'll get to Yannis. You guys know the joke before we get started. Subscribe to the Volumes YouTube channel so you don't miss any more of our videos. Follow me on Twitter at underscore Jason Lts.

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So drop them in the YouTube comments. Any questions about absolutely anything in the world, Drop them in the YouTube comments and will hit them as a mail bag question before we get to each player. All right, why do I still have MJ over Lebron all time? So, first of all, for those of you guys who don't know, and I've said this million times on the show, I am a big Lebron fan. I grew up in Tucson, Arizona.

We don't have an NBA team here. The Suns did not do a good job marketing down to the Tucson area. So like most basketball fans coming out of Tucson, I'm a fan of players really, and Lebron is a very important player to me growing up because I grew up in a house that was primarily focused on baseball and football. My little brother and both my brothers played college football, and my little brother was a great baseball player. As well.

That was just kind of what we were focused on, right, And then one day I happened to find Lebron James on television and that's how I fell in love with the game of basketball and literally changed my life. So I have a sentimental attachment to Lebron James. And my thing is, like, I'm I think it's better than I Just tell you guys that and be honest about the way that that could potentially color my analysis, and then just try like hell to fight against it as much

as possible. That's the funny thing and all of it is Lebron fans hate me, and those of you guys who follow me on Twitter know this because like I am critical of Lebron when he goes through stretches where he doesn't play to where he's capable of. I am critical of Lebron when he makes mistakes, just like I am with any other star. I talk about Lebron's career, the good and the bad, instead of just spewing propaganda like so many of his fans do, and so that

approach really pisses off Lebron fans. So a lot of Lebron fans don't like me, which is the kind of funny irony in all of that. But you know, honestly, like I tend to think that everybody's biased. I think that anybody who tells you they're not biased is lying. I think everybody beyond sports and anything, has a worldview, and your worldview color colors the way that you see situation, right, But it goes even further with basketball, like even the

or anything in sports. Any of the most prestigious analysts in all the sports, baseball, football, basketball, they all, even if they're good at hiding it, they have a certain view of the game and that colors the way that they evaluate players and teams. And so I don't really understand the point of trying to hide that we all

have our biases. I think it's better to kind of admit them and try to fight them as best as possible and be kind of forthright about it than it is to try to pretend like you're this arbiter of truth in the wild where everyone else has takes and opinions and you're just only resonating. In fact, I just don't think that that person really exists, And so I tend to just lean into telling you, guys, exactly how I feel about stuff and letting you guys judge it

from there. You know what I mean. Now, I have MJ over Lebron all time because of the simple fact that while both players did dominate their peers, MJ dominated his peers to a greater extent it significantly greater extent than Lebron James did. Comparing across errors is difficult. I've talked about this with you guys before. I talked about it with Magic and Steph yesterday. I actually think Steph is a better basketball player than Magic Johnson was by

some small amount. I actually think Lebron is a better basketball player than MJ was by some small amount. But the reality is is I think basketball players are constantly

getting better by a small amount every single year. I don't think it's fair to hold Magic in MJ to the same standard as Lebron James and Steph Curry, given the information and the technology that's available to them now, the difference in how a comfortable travel is for them and the planes that they take, the difference in the medical knowledge that's available to them now, the difference in just the way that we approach a season in terms of taking care of our bodies, the shot selection and

understanding the analytical approach and how they can boost shot value, and all that data just wasn't really available to Magic and MJ in their era. So I don't think it's fair to to compare that across eras same thing goes to the future. I don't think it's fair to compare Lebron and steph Apples to Apples with players twenty years from now. It's going to be even more different when

we get to that point. And so really, to me, the best way to evaluate a player is to look at the way that player performed relative to his peers in his era, and then stack that up with the way other players in other eras competed against their peers and what they accomplished in their era. Here's the reality. MJ won six championships in eight years. No player in the history of basketball has dominated the league the way

he did during the nineties. He was so much better than everybody that it was insulting to even throw another name in the conversation alongside Michael Jordan. That's how much better he was than everybody. It was Michael Jordan on the top tier of stars, a gap, and then everyone

else Now Lebron had a brief stretch like that. I'd argue in like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, that little two to three year window, Lebron was unassailably the best player in the world, and there's clearly a gap between him and everyone else. But that gap closed. Guys like Kevin Durant and Steph Curry caught up with him,

and then eventually Kawhi Leonard as well. And now I personally think Lebron was definitely the best player in the league from twenty twelve to twenty twenty and now nine year span, I thought he was the best, But that twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen to twenty twenty stretch, it was close. You weren't saying Lebron was in a tier by himself. It was Lebron, Steph KD, you know, Lebron, Steph KD, Kawhi Lebron, Steph KD, Kawai Yannis, whatever you wanted to look at. There, he was on the same level as

those guys, but probably a little bit better. It was a different level of dominance compared to what MJ did in the nineties. Just imagine, just pretend for a second, like Nikola Jokic won the title again next year in one finals MVP, and then did it again, and then did it three of the following five years. We literally wouldn't know how to handle it. We'd probably be proclaiming him the goat before he even got to his fourth title because we don't see that anymore. We don't see

that level of dominance. There is no player that has risen above the other players the way that MJ did in the nineties. We haven't even seen a three peat since the Lakers in the early two thousands. So, like again, that level of dominance, I think it's glossed over a lot in these debates. It's not just it's not just six titles to four, it's six titles in eight years. It's unassailable. There's nobody that could even remotely consider themselves on the same plane of existence as MJ over a decade.

That's what sets him apart in terms of dominance in my opinion. Now, can Lebron pass him, Yes, but I think he needs one more championship as a star level player. So let's take a quick look at the resumes before we go any further. So, Finals, MVPs MJ six, Lebron four, MVPs Lebron, MJ five, Lebron four First Team All NBAS MJ ten, Lebron thirteen total All NBAS MJ eleven Lebron nineteen All defense selections MJ nine, Lebron six. MJ won a Defensive Player of the Year award in nineteen eighty eight.

Lebron never did. MJ has ten scoring titles, but Lebron James is the NBA's all time leading score Now. To be clear, the longevity argument for Lebron is a strong argument. Like nineteen all NBA selections compared to eleven for MJ. That's a substantial gap. That's more than seventy percent more all NBA quality seasons that MJ had, and then being

the all time leading scorer, that's a legitimate argument. Putting the ball in the basket more than anybody in NBA history, and then also doing that in the postseason, that's a legit feather in his cap. I've also always said that Lebron has a variety argument. Those of you guys have been following the show for a while, I've heard me say this before, but like he he led a Larry Hughes,

Drew Goodins Zydrinasolgowskas team to the NBA Finals. Then he won sixty games twice with that Moe Williams, Delonte West, you know, Antoine Damison group. Right then he wins two titles and makes four finals with the Miami Heat. Then he makes three finals and wins a title with Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving. Then Kyrie Irving gets traded and he leads them to the finals without Kyrie Irving with

a completely different backcourt. Right then he wins a championship with Anthony Davis in a group of role players in twenty twenty, and he just made a conference finals with a completely different group of role players alongside him in Anthony Davis. There is an argument, like we've also heard the phrase like Swiss army knife thrown around with Lebron, and it's true. He has a ton of variety in his game. He's a super versatile player that can fill

a bunch of different roles. Like he's just he's operating as a major screen and roll threat right now for the Lakers. That was never anything that he did significantly earlier in his career. Like he has a versatility to him, that allows him to functionally change his role in any basketball team. That's a significant feather in his cat. Like if I had to make a goat case for Lebron,

this is what I would say. If you're in a vacuum starting a franchise and you can draft one player, arguably you'd want Lebron because you get more cracks at the table, right nineteen all NBA quality seasons versus eleven, and more versatility and what kinds of teams he can win with as opposed to the MJ mold where it's like basically two different archetypes of teams, right, like the

Horace Grant Bulls and then the Dennis rodmin Bulls. But the gist of it though, is still triangle offense MJ and Scottie Phil Jackson as the coach, right, So there's a lot of similarities between those two errors too. But

again that doesn't undercut the dominance. But if you had to make a case for Lebron, that's what you'd say, Like you're starting this team from scratch, you want the guy who has more great seasons and the guy that's capable of playing different ways because your franchise is going to change over the course of that existence. That's how I would make the case. But guess what. Basketball games don't take place in a vacuum. And you guys have heard me say this before. This is why I do

my player rankings the way that I do. I don't think it's fair to undercut an accomplishment from another player based on hypotheticals, and to hand accomplishments to another player based on hypotheticals. That's not why we play the games. We play the game so that we have a trophy. We play the games for the trophy, for tangible results.

And we can argue about plumbers, and we can argue about how much talent was on the Bulls, and we can argue about dilution of talent with the league expanding in the nineties, and we can say whatever we want. We can talk about Steph Curry and Kevin Durant teaming up, we can talk about all those things. But the reality is MJ three p to twice and won six titles in eight years, and Lebron won four, which is really

freaking good. Second best player of all time. There are two players in NBA history four championships and four finals MVPs. It's Lebron and MJ. He deserves to be number two, and that longevity case is legit and it makes up some of that gap, but in my opinion, not enough to make up for the utter dominance that MJ showed

in the nineties. Now, if Lebron gets a fifth Let's say they win the title this coming season, and he averages twenty seven, eight and eight during the regular season in twenty six to nine and eight during the playoffs, and he hoists the trophy. Now I'm like, I got a fifth title and I have all that longevity stuff. Now, I think that gives Lebron the edge, And if Lebron wins another title as a fifth, I will personally view

him as the greatest basketball player of all time. But I do think that we've greatly overlooked what was an incredibly dominant stretch of basketball by MJ in the nineties. Yes, there's propaganda, Yes, Nike has pushed a bunch of stuff. Yeah, there's a lot of guys in the media that push MJ propaganda. You're absolutely right, and I push back on a lot of that stuff. The whole Oh, he would have one in ninety five, but he was in baseball shape. No bullshit, bullshit, sorry like he lost, he lost in

ninety five. I'm there with you, guys. I'm not I I pushed back on the propaganda. Two. But six and eight is six and eight and and that that has to mean something in a league where the Lario b is the whole reason why we do this. He won six of them in eight years. Again, I'd encourage you just to think about what you would do. Who's your favorite player? Is your favorite player? Giannis is your favorite player.

Jokic is your favorite player. Steph. Now, imagine if let's just use Giannis and Jokic as an example, because they're actually young enough. Let's imagine that Jokic wins again next year in the following year, and then wins three of the next five. What if Yannis won five in the next seven championships? How would you Yannis fans be talking about him? How would you Jokic fans be talking about him?

That that? I do think that that it's almost like the further we've gotten away from that accomplishment, that it's like blurry or something and people can't really see what it is. It's freaking insane. He three VT twice. It's unbelievable, and so I'm not in the business of trying to downplay that accomplishment. So again I have MJ over Lebron for now. A fifth title put him over the top for me. But I hope that gives you guys at least an explanation for why I stand where I stand

on that issue. All right, Number nine, Janis and ten and Koombo, let's go with his accolades. First best player on a championship team in twenty twenty one, five time First Team All NBA is currently on a five year streak actually in that department. Seven time All NBA Overall, five time All Defense. He won Defensive Player of the Year in twenty twenty, won regular season MVP back to back in twenty nineteen, in twenty twenty, and he won the Finals MVP in twenty twenty one. Giannis has claimed

to fame. In my opinion is that he's the most physically dominant perimeter player in NBA history. He led the NBA in restricted Area makes this year, led it again last year. He was second Tosion in twenty twenty one, second Desigon in twenty twenty. Then he led the league in twenty nineteen, again, led the league in twenty eighteen. Again, so he's led the league in restricted area makes for the last six seasons. Then he was second to Lebron

in twenty seventeen and fourth in twenty sixteen. So basically, what's that one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, Eight consecutive years in the top four in restricted area makes, with four times finishing number one. He's easily the most physically dominant perimeter player in the NBA right now. He's also been top ten in the league in rebounding five

years in a row. His archetype, the way I describe it, is he's got the body of a super strong center with the agility of a wing six ' eleven tall with a seven foot three wing span. He's a good ball handler and a good passer. Those are his two greatest skills. But make no mistake, Giannis is all about dominating games with the size, strength, and athleticism. Now, I know, we got guys like James Harden who said, like all

he does is run and dunk the basketball. That's obviously a gross oversimplification, but there is some truth to the simple fact that Giannis does rely on his physical tools more than probably any player in the NBA right now. But that doesn't matter. He has those physical tools. Again, we're talking about hypotheticals here. What if Jannis was shorter, He's not. What if Jannis was less athletic. He's not.

He's that big and he's that athletic, and he's gonna play for the Bucks again next year, and you have to find a way to deal with it. So like that, as we kind of come down to the reality of it, he is that big and strong, and it is an important part of what helps the Bucks win basketball games. Now, the key is and what separates Giannis from a lot of other great athletes, because there are a lot of great athletes in the league that don't succeed in the NBA.

Right Giannis makes you feel every bit of his size, strength, and athleticism on every possession of every single game, all through the eighty two and through the entire playoff front. I want to walk through just to explain to you guys what I mean, like just how consistent his physical presence impacts basketball game. So start with the defensive end

of the floor. So the Bucks position him in help typically, so they'll have him guard the weak side corner so that he can be the low man they want Glopez guarding and pick and roll, they went Jannis guarding the guy in the weakside corner because he's one of probably two players in the league, probably him and Anthony Davis, so the only two guys in the league that can guard the guy in the corner and legitimately close out and block a shot there while always offering, like consistently

offering that same help underneath the basket. As the low man defending pick and roll three and two. It allows the coach to defend pick and roll three on two while not leaving anybody open because they can successfully make that close out. So he's like a superhuman help defender on the weak side. Right. He's also pretty good in pick and roll, though that's not his strength necessarily, And he's pretty good on perimeter defense against wings, although that's

not his strength necessarily. But when it comes to the defensive end of the four, you're feeling him on every single possession. Then we talked about rebounding top five or top ten in the league five years in a row. He legitimately is going to get every contested rebound that comes his way because He's the biggest, strongest, best athlete on the floor, right, So he's helping you on defense. You're feeling him on defense, feeling him when he grabs

a defensive rebound. Then what happens when he gets a defensive rebound. He immediately gets the rebound and just starts running it down your throat and transition every single time,

He's consistently putting pressure on your defense. Giannis led the league in transition points total transition points scored this year with five hundred and ninety one, and then he led the league the year before that, and then he led the league the year before that, and then he led the league the year before that, and then he led the league the year before that. It's been five years in a row that he's been number one in the entire NBA in transition points scored, and by the way,

he was top four to two years before that. So transition buckets now make up almost a third of Jannis's offense. It's incredibly physically taxing on your defense to constantly have to get back and build a wall to stop Jannis. So I've been dealing with Giannis and help. I've been dealing with Giannis on the glass. I've been dealing with Giannis flying down the floor in transition. Now let's say you happen to stop that transition attack and force him

to run a half court set. Now you have to deal with that same yanis on slot in a half court context. We talked about picking rolls in our player rankings video. Giannis runs pick and rolls four or five pick and rolls, meaning the power forward in the center. So he's a legitimate of getting ahead of Steam. And you have to have a bigger defender on Giannis because he's so damn big, right, and you're asking a big

defender who's never navigated screens to navigate ball screens. So Jannis is consistently getting downhill and pick and roll, and Yannis was an extremely efficient pick and roll ball handler this year. Iso same thing, head of Steam backing up, getting going at you at full speed and trying to beat you to a spot post ups. Giannis was six out of twenty players to atempt at LEAs two hundred post ups this year in efficiency because he's just constantly trying to battering ram his way to the rim with

his master's frame, massive frame. He's got two big tricks that he uses when he's driving to the basket. Obviously, we talked he's a very good ball handler for a person his size, and he's a very good passer. I wouldn't say he's like great at either, but he's very good at both. But he's got a couple of tricks. One is the chicken wing. I'm sure you guys have seen this, and I really noticed this for the first time in the Boston Celtics series last year. But like

Yannis like tries to take a look. We talked about the attack foot with Dirk Novinski. Right, So you got your defender who's got their feet set like this, right, If you can get your attack foot, so not your pivot foot, but the foot you're shooting forward, If you can get your attack foot past that defender's foot, then you have an ability to leverage past him, use your body to leverage past him. One of the things that Yannis does is he doesn't just get his foot past you.

He grabs the ball like this and straight up extends his elbow out and tries to work his way past you, almost like a crowbar like he watched footage of Yannis getting buckets in that twenty twenty two Conference semi final series against the Celtics. He gets he gets that just that tiny bit of an angle, and then he extends that elbow out and pulls him around. Then he takes long steps. This is the second trick, honest nose. Not a great ball handler, and he's got to dribble into

traffic a lot. He picks up his dribble early and takes long steps, whether that's euro steps, long steps with the chicken wing like I was talking about, but he tries to cover as much ground as possible without having to actually dribble the basketball, which makes him that much harder to keep in front. And then here's the thing, even if you happen to force a miss, he's averaging well over two offensive rebounds per game over the last six seasons, So you might just go back up and

grab it and dunk it. And we've all seen that Janni's bulldoze possession where he misses, but he just beats everybody else off the floor for the second jump and then dunks that one. You build a wall and send multiple defenders at him. He's turned himself into a great passer as well. So the point is is like in every single phase of a basketball game, from defense to rebounding, to transition to half court offense, to trying to keep

him off the offensive glass to his passing ability. You are going to feel Giannis's size, strength, and athleticism on every single possession of every single game, because his motor is so good that, in my opinion, makes him the best regular season player in the NBA. I had someone ask on Twitter a while back, like, what does that mean to be the best regular season player in the NBA. It's pretty simple. Players that rely heavily on effort and

transition and struggle with half court offense. And again, like, Giannis is a great half court offensive player in the regular season, but he has had a history of struggling in the postseason right outside of the twenty twenty one

playoff run. So in that context, players like that tend to experience a little bit of a dip in effectiveness when they get to the postseason, you know, whereas like guys that are elite half court players tend to experience an increase in effectiveness when they get to the postseason.

Right Guys like Jokic and Luka are two examples, right now, Guys that are super versaal that their impact just goes up on that stage because they're great in the half court offensively right, So to me, if it comes through an eighty two game season, I don't want anybody but Yannis.

He's the best in the league at that because on a night and night out basis, when scouting is in as big of a deal and when effort does play a massive role in the outcome of every single game, having the seven foot dude who plays harder than everybody and impacts every single phase of the game with his athleticism is the best regular season basketball player. His crowning

achievement was the twenty twenty one NBA Championship. He gets revenge on Miami in a sweep to start the playoffs, posts five consecutive thirty point games against the Nets, including a forty point thirteen rebound game in Game seven, to advance to the conference finals. The Hawk series was weird. He hyper extends his knee in Game four in a two to two series. They actually win the series without him.

Then he goes for forty plus three times in the Sun series, including a fifty point game in Game six to close him out. Perfect example of that wear and tear effect that I was talking about with Giannis again, he just is coming at you every single possession and eventually you just break. It's like I use that shoulder effect, right,

So like that, I use the shoulder example. So you know, Giannis makes a hard dribble towards my right shoulder and I slide and the first time I take it, and I take that shoulder in the chest and it hurts, but I hold my ground. Then I do it again, Then I do it again. But what about like the fifth time, Like, at what point am I gonna give that ground right and let him go past me? That that kind of is the wear and tear aspect of it. Same thing with boxing out keeping him off the glass.

You know, you're just eventually, as the smaller athlete, going to fatigue and he's going to start winning those battles. And that's exactly how that series went. Like they held Gianis to twenty points in game one, then Giannis kind of got off in game two, he got forty two, but the Sons held on held on for the win. Then the floodgates open in game three. Jannis goes for forty one and the Bucks win by twenty Game four

was the crazy Yannis block at the rim. Remember this was the you know I said Giannis is not as good defending in pick and roll as some of his peers, but it's ironic because his best highlight is defending in pick and roll or a variation of pick and roll. The Sons run a dribble hand off kind of a horn set to get Devin Booker downhill coming off of the elbow, and on this play Aten's rolling hard to

the rim. Janis's responsibility is eighton, but he has to step up to stop Devin Booker from taking a jump shot. Booker throws a beautiful hook pass top of the square extended for eight and to catch Aton goes up and catches it. Jannis somehow turns and jumps off a one leg and blocks him at the rim. So we get the iconic play of Giannis's career in the defense of a block of eight and at the rim to tie that series at two. Game five, after Drew Holiday steals

the ball from Devin Booker, Janis runs the lane. In transition, Drew throws the lob. Chris Paul Legit tries to it was dirty, honestly tries to shove Jannis out of mid air, and Yannis steal tunks the basketball because how ridiculously athletic he is. And then in Game six he goes for fifty, it goes seventeen for nineteen from the line. He finishes the finals averaging thirty five to fifteen to five on sixty six percent through shooting, and leaves the season as

the unassailable best player in the world. Biggest one if this is gonna be a future based what if for Yiannis based on the fact that he's so young. What if he ever developed some sort of over the top shot that he can make consistently. Now, Like I said just a second ago, Jannis was definitively the best player in the world. In twenty twenty one, he's not anymore. He's experienced a slight decline in his free throw shooting and in his perimeter shot making. He's starting to age

a little bit more. Like he turns twenty nine this year in December, I think you're starting to see that with some of the nagging injuries he's been dealing with, particularly with his knee, and most importantly, the other guys are getting better. Nikole Jokic as just just snatched that number one spot from him now. So in my opinion, it's like, especially when you factory in the fact that Janis is twenty nine, gonna be twenty nine, It's only going to get easier and easier for teams to hang

with Giannis's athleticism. There are going to be more and more guys that can consistently slide their feet and keep Giannis in front as he ages, and it's gonna become more and more important for him to have something he

can make over the top of the defense. Not to mention I talked about this in the in the player rankings video, but don't forget the it's gonna get harder, Like you're how many how many times in the next five years are you're gonna get to face a team the quality of the Trey Young Hawks in the conference finals, you know, where where they were literally able to win the series with Giannis on the bench, like they were two two when Giannis got hurt and they won two

straight without it. You know, obviously Trey Young got hurt in that series as well, But like the point is is like, even if Trey Young is healthy, that's not a typical Conference finals team in this era anymore. Looking forward, that's gonna be Tatum and Brown and Chris hops Porzingis.

That's gonna be Jimmy Butler and and Damian Lillard and bam Adebayo, right, like the You're it's gonna be some ridiculously good team coming out of that conference that you're gonna have to beat in the conference finals, even in the NBA Finals. That was the Suns team with Devin Booker is their best player. I don't think he's a top ten player right now. I haven't met number twelve. Chances are that's gonna be Nicole jokicch and the Nuggets Again, that's gonna be Lebron and ad and then Lake team

with Austin Reeves. Right, that's gonna be Kevin Durant with Devin Booker and h Bradley Beal, just a much better version of the twenty twenty one Sons. That could be Kawhi and Paul George. That could be that, like it could like that, it could be the Warriors. Like, You're gonna face a tougher team in the conference finals in finals moving forward than Gianni's got to face in twenty twenty one. Doesn't undercut the championship legit bona fide championship.

You guys know how I feel about that. But let's acknowledge the reality that next time it's probably gonna be a little harder, and so Jannis does need to get a little better. And in my opinion, it can't be the jump shot. It's too far away. We've talked about this in the player rankings video. He shot thirty one percent on jumpers this year, twenty seven point five percent on threes, and thirty five point six percent on twos.

He's not close to being a good jump shooter. He needs like three or four years at least to become a good jump shooter. And there's a decent chance of a better than fifty percent chance that he just never becomes a good jump shooter. But he can become a good hook shooter. He can develop a nice little hook shot in the link. He's got the physical tools to

get it off against anybody. It's easier on his legs because he doesn't have to barrel into the lane like he can play with his back to the basket and work more methodically. I think it's a better move for his passing ability too. Because how good he is at throwing those rifle passes with his right hand. I think he needs to just work on a legit, reliable, you know, drop step into the lane hook shot and if he does so, but I mean, let's just face it as

the what if. What if Jannis adds a legit hook shot to his game, then he addresses his biggest weakness, which is half court scoring in the playoffs, which further accentuates what he's already good at, and that gives him his best chance to compete with Jokic in the coming years. All Right, guys, that is all I have for today. We will be back with number eight tomorrow. Don't forget to drop some mailbag questions in the YouTube comments and I will see you guys tomorrow. The volume