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Hoops Tonight - LIVE: Pacers Go Up 2-0 On the Cavaliers + Warriors Steal Game 1 After Steph’s Injury

May 07, 202549 min
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ason reacts to Steph Curry, Jimmy Butler, and Draymond Green leading the Golden State Warriors to a Game 1 win over Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Then he discusses Tyrese Haliburton ripping the hearts out of Cavs fans as he lead the Indiana Pacers to a win over Donovan Mitchell and the Cleveland Cavaliers.

 

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well as Pacers Cavs Game two. Both games marred by substantial injuries to very important players, which has been a huge bummer. I'm a little bummed out in general after the way tonight went, just because you always want to see these teams compete against each other at full strength, and it just is always little bit of a bummer when you work through an eighty two game season and then somebody gets banged up in a big spot. We'll

be talking about the injuries a little bit later. We're going to talk about some of the different basketball dynamics at play, and then at the tail end of the show, we're gonna take about ten minutes of questions from the chat, so make sure you're subscribed to our YouTube channel, and then in our chat, Jackson's going to be pitching some question to questions to us. At the tail end of

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let's talk some basketball. So obviously, the SAT injury is just a huge bummer. Any of you guys have ever had a hamstring strain. I've had one playing basketball. Ironically, it was like a kind of an interesting trajectory thing for my basketball career because I played JUCO my first year. But I actually tried out for the same JUCO the year prior and pulled my hamstring in a in the training camp there, and I re injured it like three or four times before I finally gave it the appropriate

amount of rest. It's just such a finicky injury, and the specific thing that you'll notice when you have a hamstring injury as a basketball player, when you're trying to make explosive moves forward, there's a lot of that hamstring pulling your body after that first step, and like that was where I'd constantly re injure it. I'd be like, Oh, I feel fine, I'm ready to go, and then I'd like try to do an aggressive dribble move to the right and immediately be like, oh, nope, not even close

to ready. I need to take some more time. And so it's just such a huge bummer, because it's hard for me to envision a scenario where Steph is close to one hundred percent in this series, which is obvious a huge swing towards Minnesota's favor, and I thought this was a series that Golden State could win for a lot of the same reasons that you guys saw tonight. But we'll talk about it in a minute. I do think that there is a pathway here, a very slim pathway for Steph to return in this series and to

be somewhat impactful. We'll talk about that in a little bit, but as far as this particular game goes, one of the big things I talked about in the series preview was just the simple fact that this is a very, very,

very different matchup than the Los Angeles Lakers team. I was impressed by a lot of what Minnesota did in the first round, but it looked pretty similar to what they did to Phoenix last year, and I left that series primarily extremely disappointed with the Los Angeles Lakers and a lot of stuff they did on both ends of the floor, their competitiveness defensively, even at the tail end of the series, Lebron was doing a bad job on the Glass and defensively, Luca I thought got soundly outplayed

and looked super out of shape at the end of games. Their defense was horrible. It just I was really disappointed in them. And as I looked at the Warriors, I looked at them as on offense, a very different type

of offense, and then just a substantially better defense. You know, I was texting with Jackson during the game, like, I always have to be careful saying this kind of stuff because there's a segment of Steph Curry fans that are so just irrational that they take it as some sort of criticism of Steph or some sort of minimize attempt to minimize Steph. But Steve Kerr is a top two coach in this league, and Draymond Green is the greatest

defensive player of this era. And this team has an extremely high floor even without Steph because of those two guys and what they do to set the floor on both ends of the floor, what Draymond does defensively. And then Steve Kerr in that front office, and I want to connect the front office to this. This has been consistent through multiple general managers. But they just know how to find smart basketball players. That can play within what

Steve Kerr asks them to do. And that's what allows you to see guys like Quentin Post step in and be impactful, Pat Spencer step in and be impactful. For a guy like Buddy Heel who literally struggled at every other destination of his career to suddenly come into Golden State and be a useful player on both ends of the floor, like that is a credit to Steve Kerr,

and that's a credit to this organization. And like I thought, tonight was just a giant advertisement for what makes the Warriors one of the great organizations in the NBA from the top down. And Steph is just the top tier superstar that can lift them to championship level success. But these guys that there is this is this is one of the great coaches in NBA history and one of

the great defensive players in NBA history. And those dudes got the job done in extremely unfortunate circumstances with their star going down early in the game the way they did. But let's talk about the specific differences. So the defense, Golden State was the number one defense in the league after the Jimmy Butler trade. I talked about this a lot coming into the playoff runt. But this is, in my opinion, an entirely different tier of defensive team than

the Lakers team that Minnesota faced in the first round. Specifically, the two things that I mentioned was their ability on the perimeter to actually get up into the ball because they actually have some quick guards that can guard the ball. Guys like Gary Payton, Guys like Moses Moody, guy like Buddy Healed has been defending at a really high level this year. They got a bunch of guys that can actually use their quickness up on the ball. The Lakers

were a team that could not pressure the ball. They could not pressure the ball because they're all six' eight six' nine and pretty slow footed. By comparison they have to play more of, a passive contained type. Of defense they're sitting back off. The ball they're trying To funnel ant because they know they can't. Stop him they're trying to funnel him into a certain type of help. Side situation they were just facing all these like foot speed mismatches

all over. The floor Right With. GOLDEN state i thought the biggest thing that stood out right away was just How uncomfortable minnesota was on the Perimeter Against golden state's. Ball pressure all of that ball pressure caused them to rush,

the issue force the issue into. The paint and, Then Again, Draymond green you're not going to find a better PLAYER in nba history at occupying the paint and disrupting everything there while also being able to get out and get a great close out On a nase read or get out and get a great close out on another shooter

on the. Weak side And So golden state Just put minnesota into a completely different type of offensive situation instead of getting to walk the ball up the court and just pick a mismatch that they liked and set a screen to get the switch and then space the floor and then it gets to casually dribble wherever, he Wants and julius gets to casually dribble wherever. He, wants instead

it's pressure forcing them to make. Decisions quicker any sort of ball pressure typically is going to lead to an offensive player just looking to attack it off, The dribble and there was just a lot of really poor decisions in the middle of the Floor by Ant and julius in the. First half they did get better in the. Second half there was also a little bit of a Letup From golden state as they took multiple twenty, point

leads but they did have some success in the. Second Half anthony edwards in particular started to figure out how to get to the rim. And finish this is one of the BIG things i picked up from the, series preview if you, GUYS remember i just think this particular

matchup is really Rough For. Julius randall he on defense is asked to track shooters and be paying attention off, ball constantly and then on the offensive end of, the floor It's just draymond's one of the best guys at once again stunting at him and making him uncomfortable and putting him in positions or he can make bad decisions or take. Bad shots, BUT overall i thought the gap in the defense was abundantly clear. Right away they allowed just thirty one points in the. First half even in

the second Half when minnesota made. Their run, If Ever golden state needed to kind of reassert control of. The situation they were able to get the stops that they needed. To get they had some Issues With rudy gobert on the, offensive glass but they were able to kind of keep it relatively within a manageable type. Of margin just their defense cleanly won the first round of, this match the

first game in. This series minnesota will. Have adjustments there's going to be a lot of things that they'll look to do better and look to. Do DIFFERENTLY but i thought the initial idea Of What golden state's defense does and how it's different than What the lakers do had a substantial Impact. On minnesota on the other end of, THE floor I Thought golden state generally looked very comfortable

early in. The game they had a couple of guys that went Called Like buddy healed was really struggling to hit shots earlier in, The Game jimmy butler who was struggling to get going early in.

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The game but you.

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Could see steph got several clean. Looks early you could see that the dynamic of the Way That golden state was attacking on offense Was giving. Minnesota FITS and i thought we especially saw that in the middle portion of. The GAME because i want To Take steph CURRY and i want to remove him from the equation for, a Second because steph is a obviously this top five player in the world who is one of the greatest PLAYERS in, nba history greatest shooter of, all time all, That stuff

but there's also a basketball schematic. Concept Inside What golden state does is very different Than what, minnesota does and that is they have incessant action ball in, player movement the balls popping from side. To side shooters are constantly running off. Of actions there's all sorts of little things they do to try to, confuse you or they'll run an action one way and then guys will slip out of screens the. Next time there's relentless pace and motion

in the. Half court they push the ball off of missus. Extremely well just very different Than that lakers team that was giving the Ball, to luca walking the ball up the court and doing the Same thing minnesota was doing on the, other end which is just finding a matchup that they wanted and then spacing the floor and playing one on. One basketball it's just a very different type.

OF matchup i talked about this in the, series preview but, to me this was a Matchup where minnesota was going to have to defend with, their brain not with, their legs and where's that's where it's very different than what they did Against.

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The lakers the third quarter is a.

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Classic example you give up thirty six points and you lose a lesser Version Of steph Curry And buddy healed constantly in that quarter because you're not tracking all of the ball in, player movement because you're not as attentive as you need. To be the offensive rebounds are a big part. Of It golden state at eighteen offensive rebounds

despite being an. Undersized team why. Is that It's because minnesota is in rotation dealing with this blender, of players and in those sorts of situations when you're tracking shooters off of screens and stuff, like that a lot of times the screeners will free up going towards. The Basket jimmy butler got seven offensive rebounds in. This Game, buddy heald he's running around. In circles he's not just getting open as, a shooter he's getting open as. A crasher

because he's getting he's getting separated from. His defender And so minnesota will defend better over the course of. This series that's the Thing With golden state, in general is they tend to catch you really off guard early in a series with their ball in, player movement and you do get, somewhat Better but it's just a very different type. Of matchup and one of the things you Saw was.

Steph too steph was able to break off some of, these taller skinnier Defenders from minnesota that are more like length athletes instead of like foot speed type of athletes that he can get leaning one way or another and get out of position so he can rise up and knock down. A shot i thought the dramatic difference in the matchup showed in a big Way from, minnesota today and they got a lot of work in front of them in order to clean some of that.

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Stuff. UP now.

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I want to let's go To the warrior shoutouts First and i'll circle Back to steph's Injury because steph's injury is kind of like a big picture thing. For Me So jimmy butler in the, second, half again the entire job changed as Soon As steph curry went out of. The game it was gonna become a defensive slug fest at, that point and you were gonna need other guys to step up and be. Really aggressive suddenly it's gonna be a lot more of like You need jimmy to operate as a score not just as a kind of a

full crum in the middle of. The floor you're Gonna Need buddy heel to kind of like up the range of what he considers to be a good shot into a range that's a little bit further towards, bad shot because you're gonna need him to. Be aggressive you needed guys to step up and. Get Buckets jonathan kaminga coming In and jay generating seven points the way. HE did i know it doesn't seem, like much but those buckets

felt important in. The Moment Like pat spencer coming in and hitting that spin move on To Kill alexander walker along the baseline and banking.

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So funny you could see Then Kile alexander walker was so frustrated that he gave up a bunt that he gave up a Bucket. To pat, but uh and then he hits, that, big sweeping driving hook down the lane Line Against. Rudy gobert just those two self created buckets in a situation, like that those are like found money in a game like this when your star. Goes Down gary payton hitting a couple of threes that. He hit there were just so many guys that, stepped Up Like

draymond green went cold late in. The game him hitting those four threes early in the game and building that. Initial, advantage Like If steph curry goes out of the game and, it's tied you're not winning. This game the psychology of it is fundamentally different when you have. That Lead when steph leaves, the game it suddenly turns into a situation where you can Look at buddy and, it's, like, hey dude seven for nine nineteen, Is okay like we just need you to try to score as much as, you

can but just make sure you're focused. On defense you can Go to jimmy and, be like it's okay if you take some of these. Tougher shots you can go to these guys and, be like it's not a. Big deal pat if you missed that sweeping hook down the. Lane line it removes the pressure from. THE situation i was literally thinking about it in the fourth Quarter when minnesota was making. Their run, i'm like they literally just

need a couple of buckets and this game. Is over buddy hits a three on the, Left Wing jimmy butler hits a little leaning jump shot around.

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Elbow boom game.

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Is over and it's because they were able to build that, initial margin which in large part came down to the quality of their Defense And draymond green knocking down those threes early in. The game but like just a bunch of contributions down the line on both ends of, the floor just really really, impressive effort an organizational Win For, golden state a demonstration of the fact that you, don't win. YOU know i think part of this is just basketball

culture and the way we talk about. The game and this is not Just a. Steff thing this Is a. Lebron thing I've seen lebron fans do this all, the, time, like oh he carried his team to, a championship he, did this he, did that and, IT'S like I think

lebron's the greatest basketball player of. All time i'm not trying to say he didn't do, those things BUT if i looked back through, his championships it's like he won in twenty twenty because he had one of the greatest defenses that was, ever Assembled And anthony davis was playing at like a top, five level and he was surrounded By Like alex Caruso And Contavious colwell Pope And frank vogel was one of the best defensive coaches in the league at. THE time i go to, twenty sixteen it's The.

J r smith hitting massive shots in the. Third Quarter It's kyrie irving hitting a, Game Winner It's kevin love getting big stops down. THE stretch i go to, you know you can go down the line through all of these big moments in, playoff history, and yeah there are stars at the tip of. The spear but basketball is a.

Team sport it's an. Organizational sport it takes. Great coaching it takes a front office that is connected to the, coaching staff that understands the type of players that the coaching. Staff needs it requires personnel that compliments your star and both ends of. The like it is an intricate thing to put together a championship. Basketball team And the warriors have done it four times and it's because of down.

The organization they have excellence at so many. Key POSITIONS and i just thought tonight was just a big statement in. That regard so what does this look like on the. Step front the beautiful thing about winning this particular game is you now have your goal completed for going on the Road. To minnesota you stole home. COURT advantage i don't Know That golden, state can, you know win the Series.

WITHOUT steph i would find that, extremely unlikely even with their, defensive advantages even with the type of play that they got Out Of buddy Held And jimmy. Butler tonight It's just minnesota's a really good Team And steph curry, for ME like, i mentioned is the superstar that can solve the unsolvable problems that a. Series presents think of it at a real. Basic level there's only so much you can do with a. Good coach there's only so much

you can do with a great. Defensive, player ultimately there are so many situations that present themselves in a playoff series where only the superhero can conquer. The problem AND so i have a hard time believing they can win this Series. Without steph so if we talk, about it if we talk, it through what is the Pathway for steph to return in this series in a Way Where

golden state has a legitimate chance to. Win well game two Is, on Thursday and game three Is, on Saturday and game four Is, on Monday and game five Is. On wednesday they're going every, Other day so it's going to be really tough To bring steph back at some

point during that stretch. Of games but if you can somehow steal one Game In golden state on the strength of your home Crowd And jimmy butler having a massive Night And buddy hial having a massive night and a few role players stepping up in a, big way and you can take it too two Back. To minnesota Even if minnesota wins. That game you literally have three full days Off before game six on, the eighteenth which Is.

A sunday so there is a version of this where you could go three to two Back To, golden State leave steph at. Home rehabbing all he does is round the clock do what he needs to do to. Get healthy you could give him a solid twelve days to rest, that hamstring and that might still not, be ENOUGH but i see that as like a relatively reasonable possibility that in almost Two weeks steph could rehab, the injury come Back on sunday In a game Six In. Golden state

then you go on the Road in game Seven. To, minnesota obviously you have the Advantage of minnesota not having had To guard steph to that point in, the series so there's a little bit of an advantage of them being caught off guard in, That respect, but again it's a thin path. For me just hamstrings are. So finicky. It's WEIRD like i. LEFT this I left game one feeling very STRONGLY that i was on the right side

of things in terms of my. Series prediction but THEN now i leave the game Feeling Like golden state has a very slim chance to win, the series because that's just the unfortunate part Of That steph. Curry injury On the, wolves front several, SPECIFIC things i thought that they were a bit more attentive in their off ball defense in the.

Fourth quarter, in particular the Shots That golden state hit at that point in the game were much more geared towards their, lesser shooters and even the shot that like the Shots that buddy, was hitting there was a couple open ones that. He got the Ones that buddies was hitting were rushed and contested in a lot. Of situations and so there the, pathway is you need to polish up your off ball defense from game. To game it's not gonna. Happen overnight there's a lot of habits that

you got to. Pick, Up again like we, talked about it's more of a. Mental challenge it'll take time for them to polish those. Things up but if you get more attentive on off ball defense over the course of, the series and then the big thing is going to be on the. Offensive End anthony Edwards And julius randall and their decision making in the middle of.

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The, floor like EVEN though i.

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Got going in the, second half still was a steady diet of him forcing the issue into the paint and trying to make everything happen by himself as a score once again only to. Assist tonight if you look back to the job he Did, against la there's a pretty strong correlation between his playmaking and the team being able. To score and so it's going to be big on those guys solving the mental challenge in the, half court making the right decisions in the middle of the floor

to try to get those quality catch and. Shoot opportunities like there was a lot of talk About the wolves shooting in this. PARTICULAR game i did not see it as an example of just guys. Missing shots that's not what it looked like. To me, to me it had much more of a vibe where you've got to Give

the warriors credit for rushing them off the Line. The Lakers the lakers Game in, game five there was a whole lot of just wide open shots that they were hitting or missing that were on these kickouts and offensive rebounds were like literally no one's even in. THE frame I Thought golden state did a great job in this game Of rushing minnesota off the line and actually playing them into. Those misses there's a huge difference between guys are just missing shots and you're actually causing them to.

Miss shots and so in order to generate better three, point shooting you have to generate better quality three. Point shots in order to generate better quality three, point shots you need your decision makers to make better decisions in the middle of. THE floor i Just checked synergy to try to get some information on the percentage of their

shots that were guarded. Or unguarded synergy still, hasn't updated so when we get over to playback, Later tonight i'll start to pull some of the specific data that came out of game one to see if there's anything to. Learn there but the other piece of it two is if you get better playing defense and you get more stops by managing the off, ball action more, or better you can get yourself in a situation where you're playing in, transition more which could be a big way to get.

Them going, all right let's Move On indiana cleveland the other injury bummer game from Tonight As, DeAndre Hunter, evan Mobley And. Darius garland we're all out of uniform For The.

CLEVELAND cap i Talked About tyree Saliburton after game one in him being relentless was THE word i used with his advantage, hunting essentially like every single time that you leave somebody open on a, slip on like in nail help uh, low man help foot in, the paint, this that whatever, It is he's gonna make the pass every. Single TIME and i think relentless is basically the theme

word for this entire. Basketball team they literally never stop coming, at you no matter How well, cleveland played no matter how big of a lead, they took no matter how many times they took. The lead cleveland took two separate twenty, point leads not including the big one they had late in.

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But no, matter what you score to go, up twenty you score to go up, seven late they're taking the ball out of. The net they're quickly, inbounding it and they're running it down your throat every. Single time no. Matter what if they get stopped, in transition they're gonna back it out and they're gonna run a bunch of world. Win action in the, half court hunt, those advantages try to get a.

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Good look if, they miss they're gonna crash the.

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Offensive glass Look At Aaron neie smith at the end of, this game just over and over and, over again crashing the. Offensive glass if you once they get, a bucket they're just gonna immediately start picking you up full court and making everything a pain in. The ass in the, back court try to rush you into a mistake so they can run down the. Floor again and no matter how many times you have a positive sequence where you make three four plays in, a row they're waiting on you.

To relax they're counting on you. To relax. It's all it doesn't matter how well. You execute you can be up seven in the. Final minute they've won that game twice. This year more ball pressure forcing multiple turnovers in the. Final minute One on strus on, an inbounds One On donovan mitchell stepping through An elbowing nesmith in, the Face Another nie smith wild crash on an offensive rebound off of a miss free throw where he dunks It Over

donovan mitchell and throws him into. The ground another blow Of a haliburton drive right to the basket for, a layup quickly scoring on an out of bound sequence out of, A timeout another offensive rebound TapouT on a free Throw From. Miles Turner Another tyreese haliburton step back three at the top of the key to win. The game they literally never stopped coming at you in every facet of. The game they weaponize their speed in every facet of. The

game it really. Is remarkable that's how they keep. Coming back that's why they're The. Comeback kings they just count on you eventually letting go of. The rope they know you'll only do a good job for a portion of the game and that they'll be able. To Capitalize the caves did a good job Of defending indiana in the. First quarter brought a lot, more pressure a lot more attentiveness to. THOSE advantages i was talking about it, first

shift before the first. Time out they were a, little SLOPPY as I think indiana went up nine, to two and they give up some easy ones but for the rest of the first quarter they were really, really sharp And then indiana scored three straight quarter of at least thirty.

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Four Points.

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Tyrs alberton in the, first half he looked like a Ghost of haliburton's past in a lot, of ways kind of like in last year in, the playoffs where he'd have these bizarrely. Passive GAMES but i thought he woke up and was great after that. First quarter he had eleven six and three just in the, second half made two massive plays in the final minute that stole the game as.

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A score.

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Cleveland asked for. It too they started taking a victory lap early in, the game which again it's like you think somebody would have learned After what indiana has done, all season but they start chanting Overrated.

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At Halliburton donovan mitch.

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Was, like everybody chill out, like this this is a, terrible idea and he burned him. For it this was a stat from My Friend carson Breber From. Nerds sage he tweeted it out during. The Game tyres haliburton is now ten for eleven on shots to tie or take the lead in the final two minutes of games.

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This.

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Year unbelievable Clutch Player. Tyris aliburton it's been so much fun seeing him healthy again because it just looks like a different guy than the guy we saw at the tail end of. Last Season Aaron nie smith, unbelievable game a lot of quality defensive possessions On, tyjer rome who was just in jail. All night we'll talk about that in.

A minute he had two massive threes in the. Third quarter cavs went, up twenty had a great, defensive possession and he just hits like a bailout bomb out of the left corner over a. Great contest hits a transition three right before the end of the third quarter that cut the lead down. To fourteen completely changed the feel of, the game the relentless crashing of the. Offensive glass you

guys saw the dunk on the. Free throw he had another One On donovan mitchell where he just kind of did a swim move on him coming off of the, left wing got an easy little bank shot. Put back, you know one of the things that teams will do Against the pacers is they'll, be like, all right, You Know nie smith is our best option to hide an offensive player that we need to, give, rest right so You Hide donovan mitchell there and hopes that he'll get

to take. It, easy well one of the ways you can make sure he doesn't get to take it easy is relentlessly crashing the. Offensive glass He Wore donovan. Mitch there he made it So that donovan could. Not Rest ben mathern unbelievable second half in, this game straight up, rim pressure getting downhill and ball Screens Against, jared allen drawn fouls and finishing, off him finishing against him at, the rim crashing the offensive. Glass himself running. In transition

he had a couple of big transition leak. Out Buckets ben mathurin was a huge scoring pop from in. This Game miles turner spacing not just at the three, point line but also hit a bunch of those little short role kind of like it's like, mid range short range spacing type, of shots you, Know how like we see

a bunch of different versions of this around. The league like Guys like Hartenstein And jared allen do it with like little, short Floaters But miles turner can like easily rise up into a little twelve thirteen foot jump shot and knock it down at a. High clip he was spacing the floor in. That way he was beating switches out of ball screens in the. Fourth quarter twice in the, fourth Quarter the cavs switched the, ball screen he Posted

Up max struce and got an. Easy bucket he Posted Up isaac corro and got an easy bucket on this kind of like nifty little really short range ball screen where he just sealed the coorra right underneath. The basket and then his drop coverage Defense On. TY jerome, I Like ti jerome is having a, nightmare series and we're going to talk about it in, a second but like

a big part of That Is. Miles turner he is putting on a drop coverage clinic in the sense that he's mixing up at the level and a little bit further back types. Of coverages He's Catching ti jerome off. Guard constantly one of the THINGS that I Think jared allen has figured out Is That ti jerome prefers to take. The floater and this is just this IS The nba playoffs in, a, Nutshell Right Like ti drome was the best floater shooter in the entire league, this season sixty two percent.

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On him in the.

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Regular season he was six for eleven in the first Round, against miami but he's not the guy that's going to go to the rim every. Single Time And miles turner, has clearly through the coaching staff or through his, own tape whatever it is that, He's watching he's just been on top of that floater the, entire series just Stunting At, ti jerome attacking, the pocket preventing him from comfortably rising into. That floater he's bumped him on his high drop possessions

and kept him from turning. The corner turner's just done a great job Defensively On ty jerome and it's a huge part of how They've held cleveland's offense under control every time that they've needed to. Get, stops again they got a bunch of stops when they. Needed to in the fourth quarter of, this game Held the cavs twenty one points after getting lit up for the first. Three quarters miles Was Fantastic ti. JEROME again i want To credit turner in his drop, coverage defense but he's five

for sixteen on floaters now in. This series he's leaving his three point shots way short off the front of the rim every. Single time seems like he's got the full blown. Yips now and that's really tough Because the caves desperately need Him With darius, garland out and he just hasn't been. GOOD enough i feel Terrible for. Cavs

fans they had such an. AWESOME season i was actually really starting to believe in in that first round series with the level they were, reaching offensively and then you lose three of your top six players before game two of the.

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Second round.

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INDIANA'S great i picked them to win multiple games in this series even If the calves are at. FULL strength I Assume darius garland and everyone would be ready. To go But the calves just have no chance to win this series as undermanned as. They are and the big disappointment has been. Their defense some of it is. The injuries they've defended Better with mobley on the floor in.

The series mobile is the defensive player of, the Year but indiana has looked entirely too comfortable through the first. Two games they've logged an offensive rating over one hundred, and twenty AND so i just Think the calves need to be operating at full tilt in order to win for the next, five games and it just seems extremely unlikely that they're going to be able to pull. That, off so in, Other Words tyre saliburton in many ways put this series into serious danger of being over with

that shot that he. Hit tonight, all right let's take about ten minutes of questions before we head over. To playback we're Gonna have jackson Come.

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On state let's.

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Do it let's do some male bag questions.

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First up we're gonna start with some questions About the, warrior series and we'll do something About.

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The.

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PACERS first i put a poll in the chat asking the chat When should steph come back game, four earlier, game five. Or later seventy three percent of the chat said game, four earlier which. IS interesting, I mean i think that's both optimistic as well as, you, know HOPEFUL but i think it's it's gonna. BE tough i, would say as someone who has also had a hamstring, injury before to come back in, six days.

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Did you re?

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INJURY yours i just it's just IMPOSSIBLE that i was, like YOU and i think like most people just didn't give it the. Requisite rest so it's NOT like i reinjured it, so bad but it just didn't. Heal quickly it just didn't. Heal, quickly, yeah dude. It's brutal it's it's such a.

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Complicated PROCESS and i think THAT'S where i feel like it's, overly optimistic because like you got to think. Big picture there's no point In beating Minnesota if STEP's not going to be good for the rest of.

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The playoff.

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That's true so your your chance is One that steph's hamstring tear is. Extremely MILD now i am somewhat encouraged by the idea that it's going to, be mild simply because he gave out a couple of he gave out.

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A bucket after he heard he gave out.

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A bucket he got that little floater that he put it off the front of, the rim and he was coming off of ball screens and pitching It to draymond and still. Generating advantages and he wasn't, moving good but he, Was moving and so that leaves me somewhat encouraged that it was probably a somewhat. Mild strain so the question Is can steph recover from a mild strain in. TWELVE days i do think. HE can i don't think he can cover from a mild strain in, nine days which

is what you would need to bring him back in. Game, five also it's like think. Of it think of it.

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This way.

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Let's Say golden state steels one of, those games the Ones In, golden state so it's two to two going Back. To minnesota that's a, really big, really important really physical game that would be really tough to just Toss A steph curry in that in that sort. Of situation whereas, GAME six i feel like you could play step, shorter bursts playing like thirty minutes and probably get that job done because of how much they can defend in front

of their home crowd and stuff. Like THAT so i mean a lot of it's going to be by ear, Right guys like If If golden state loses each of the next, three games they probably Don't bring steph back cause there's just no point in having him tear his hamstring trying to come back from a three to one deficit and be put in a situation where he's out for two months in, the summer or, god forbid he

needs some kind. Of SURGERY so i think it's going to be a lot of like reading the room and seeing how, It goes like if they what if they go three, To one like what if they win both Games In golden State, without steph they may decide to literally see if they can win the series. Without him so there's a lot of different angles this. Can go and it's got to be day to Day how, steph feeling, you know a lot of it's going to be kind of read and react on the information day.

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To day and that is as of Ten pm, pacific time the latest reporting is that he is going to GET an.

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Mri Tomorrow steve carr.

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Said they're playing on him being day, to day, quote unquote and that they are not expecting Him for, game two, which is, you know in line with everything.

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We're expecting it would be really dumb to play him. In games there's.

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No, way yeah question about, you Know the warriors going Forward Without steph curry in the games that they will be. Without him, who first who would be your starting five For the warriors in Game Withou Stuph.

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Curry man, THAT'S interesting i think that so we Think of buddy as the obvious Replacement for steph in the, starting lineup even though he was already in the. Starting lineup he slots into that two. Guard spot he's there Next to PODS or i guess he's the point next.

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TO pods.

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I actually thought That the warriors did a good job of Contending with minnesota with their speed rather than with. Their SIZE so i THINK that i would PROBABLY consider.

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I.

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Consider kaminga and, HERE'S why i hear, me out just pitch this hair brained idea house money, game, two right what if you can find a way to get coming into some kind of rhythm in game two and that ends up being something that you can ride In game korean? Game four, so like what if you started him and gave him, more opportunity basically with the idea of being if we can build some sort of Rhythm with kaminga in, this game it could be the difference between us being

able to win our games Back In golden state. Or not there's other directions they. COULD go, I Mean moses moody was a nightmare. OFFENSIVELY tonight i didn't hate their big. Looks tonight that's another, Thing TOO like I Thought kevon looney battled, Pretty well so like there's a version of this where they could go. Big TOO but I think i would Go. With kminga what?

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ABOUT you i had not Even Considered jonathan kaminga Starting because i'm so down on him even though he had he had a pretty good, stretch, tonight actually but that

is an. INTERESTING one i do think that trying to see if you can get him in a rhythm in a game that is you're playing with house money is a. GOOD idea i, also think as we've talked, about, many many many, Many Times jonathan, kiminga operates it's way way better when he has physical, athletic mismatches and so trying to align Him In mike connley minutes is not the.

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Worst idea not that.

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YOU'RE like i spend your whole offensive philosophy Around, getting kumingo, you know possessions On with conley, guarding him but it is a place, where it's, you know definitely the most obvious physical mismatch that he would have Against any.

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Timbleves PLAYER so i think it's an interesting and.

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Interesting idea he kind of figured out some off ball. Utility tonight he hit it, that THREE which i was actually a really important both the business back to.

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Back Buggets the draymond's. Baseline, drive yeah the.

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Baseline.

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Drive, yeah well and that's the other. Thing too Draymond and jimmy both will throw those baseline drives and they're constantly looking for cutters flashing in front of, the rim and like there's there's like some legitimate kind of like spacing value with him as like a cutter in those sorts of situations and he can find those Runways, Because minnesota minnesota is just so bad and they're off there terrible and it and you're right like that that him and the starting lineup could be a way to try

to tie Him To mike.

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Conley's minutes, that's interesting another sort of.

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Rotation question why do You think quentin Posts gudzero runta and do you think he's also an option to get maybe, not start but maybe startet get some sort of minutes in the rest of The series with, THAT stuff.

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I think it's part of just like The Momentum kevon looney had after a Really nice, game seven also just the Idea that minnesota presents a threat as an offensive rebounding team as we saw in the In the.

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Lakers series, BUT.

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Like i think it's GONNA be i think it's gonna be a lot Of Like steve kerr doing what he, Did TONIGHT like i thought That Stan van gundy did a really, nice job but kind of like Explaining How steve kerr has this unique trust for the players down. As roster we talked about this at the top of, the show but there is something to be said about the organizational approach to finding, smart players and the key there is they can count on these guys to come in and do a job within the defensive game plan

like half. The battle then that's half the Issue. With kaminga you want, to know you want to know Why kaming it. Doesn't play it has way more to do with the Fact that kerr just doesn't trust him to execute the, game plan and he's kind of the odd man out in the sense that so many of these guys ARE Undrafted g league type of dudes That the warriors scouting department has identified AS high iq players that they can fit into, their System whereas kaminga.

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Is a textbook.

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Lottery pick it's like he was picked, for upside, you know not for him specifically fitting. The culture and so that that's where you see those issues. Taking place but moving forward in, the series Whether It's, quinton post Whether It's, key santos Whether It's, pat spencer regardless of who, It

is kaminga, AS well i think falls into. This group kerr is going to be doing a lot of like here's, your chance show me what you got and quick hooks, with guys, AND like i think you're Gonna see pods play. Big minutes You'll see draymond play. Big minutes You'll see buddy play, Big minutes You'll play jimmy play, big MINUTES

and i think You'll see gary play. Big minutes but the rest, of those you know that the rest of that like kind of sixty seventy minutes that, ARE available i think are going to be split kind of just between who's playing well in that. GIVEN night I think i think we could see an astronomical amount of. DIFFERENT lineups i think this could be the series where you see the most different lineups played in.

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THE history, i mean they already did a lot, to THAT and i think that instilling, that trust, you know organizationally down Definitely from steve down is really. Really Beneficially key santo's got run today before kuminga super, short shift didn't get back in, the game and that's not a not issue for the roster and the team chemistry as a whole because of the sort of that culture that they've that.

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They've instilled that's a.

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Great point let's move take a couple questions about the, other series and then we can head over. To playback, first one why do you think people seem to Not Like tyre's?

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Halliburn's play, you.

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Know he got the most overrated, player obviously when the evidence seems to show that he is someone who is happening, playoff success can lead a team to the, Conference finals he's good in, the clutch. Impacts winning what is sort of the issue around the Perception Of.

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Tyre's, HALIBURTON so, I uh i think that most basketball junkies out There Like tyrese halliburton from what at least FROM what i can tell and from, my perspective in the sense that they can see his value in what he does. REALLY well i THINK among nba players he's just a. Shit TALKER like i don't think it's any more complicated. Than that like he, is good and he kicks, your ass and he talks a bunch, of SHIT and

i think it just rubs everybody the. Wrong WAY and i, THINK also i do think that there's such a THING as i think that there are a good CHUNK of nba players who see the game through the lens of what.

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They DO.

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And i, THINK this i think you see a lot of manifestations of this around, the league where like stars will like certain types of role players but dislike other types of players because they kind of like fit their own, basketball, Worldview right like like how many times have we seen you remember with Like ragon rondo On the lakers, for ins this is a. Great example, we're like we're watching from the sidelines and, we're like why the Hell is

rayjon getting all these Minutes Over. Alex cruso but, it's like so the guys in that, locker room They're Like ray jehan's. A genius, you know we're gonna like, He's gonna he's gonna. Guy this he's our point Guard due lebron was always obsessed with backup playmaking in that phase of,

his career if you. Remember, correctly, so like it just is one of those THINGS where i think there are a lot of players in the league that struggle To see tyresee's value because he's such a different kind of player. Than EVERYBODY, Like i by, the way there's some of This. With jokic there's some of This, With JOKIC LIKE i

i feel like there are a lot. OF players i think now everyone's kind Of accepted jokic as the obvious ass kicker that, He is but there was like a like in that twenty, twenty two, twenty three, twenty four there were a lot of years there where it seemed like some of the players around the league didn't quite have the appreciation For what, jokic did just because he

was So. Different tyresee you combine it with him just being a just, a HAWKER and i think it just rubs everybody the wrong way among, his PEERS and i think that's why he gets voted.

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Like, THAT yeah i also think there's not that anyone would be able to admit this or even be conscious of don't necessarily there's sort of a factor with him And, with jokic they're Just slightly they're just a little. Bit dorky they're not The Classic anthony edwards bulldog pro athlete.

Personality TYPE and i think to, your point it just even if it's not rubbing people the, wrong way it's that they're it's not what they're sort of, accustomed to what they these players envision the best versions of themselves are the best versions OF an nba basketball player as an.

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Idea would look and SOUND like i think a.

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Little bit, you're right that's such a great point because it's like it extends to everything stylistically, as well like his nineteen, points TONIGHT and i thought he was excellent. Like that it's not the kind of thing that's going to show up in thirty thirty five. Point games it's not going to show up with him dunking on. Your head although he's a better ATHLETE than i think he gets.

Credit for he's got kind of a funky set shot in terms of his, jun shot although he gets more he gets more lyft than you'd think on some of his movement off the. Dribble shots But like tyrese is just a very unorthodox player and in almost every way on and off. The COURT and i think that's a big part, of it.

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Hundred percent, all right let's do one more. Question here we'll go over.

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To playback do you Think this pacers team is better than, last year just, you know largely the. Same roster do you Think the pacers team? Is better and, if so do you think they Can beat boston?

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Next round if it Would.

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BE boston i think they are substantially better than that, last YEAR and i think that they have a legitimate chance To beat boston in a way that they didn't.

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Last year.

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The first piece of It Is. Tyres haliburton tyres is just playing at a substantially higher level than he did. Last year we talked about This With steph curry in the in the earlier segments of. The show but playoff

series present. Unsolvable problems it's kind of like the beating, Switches, thing like at a, certain point you got to have a guy that can go one on one against a good defender and create a great shot and over and, over again whether it was Him Cooking jared Allen in game One, in switches or whether it's Him cooking Giannis in game Six or game five Of the. Bucks, series like he just has an upside as a switch beater

in this playoff run that he did not have. LAST year i think that's the, big difference and that is the. Ceiling Razor when indiana got presented with the unsolvable problem That was boston tightening the screws at the end of games, last year he wasn't able to. Overcome that but, THIS year i think he's in a better position to, do so then there's just some kind of incremental improvement down. The Roster BEN mathurin i think has, been great and he's his athleticism has been a big upside in this

like super physical. PLAYOFF environment i thought he was a huge part of their second half. Comeback Tonight Aaron ne smith has just gotten like ten percent better, at everything and that has made a. Big difference like he's a more of a, knockdown shooter he's better. Attacking closeouts there we can go down, the roster BUT like, i mean

there's just so many Guys Like. Miles turner like there's been so much talk about whether or Not the pacers would re Up With, miles turner whether or not he'd be a. Free agent, to me he's such a core part of what Makes the pacers great on both ends of. THE floor i don't see how they can move On From. Miles TURNER like i understand you might have to make a really tough, decision financially and that may be, the case but like if you can somehow, retain him you

got to. Retain him he's just. So important but as a team they're just kind of incrementally better down the roster And then tyree's has a, superstar upside and that to me is all it takes to make them a legitimate championship threat in a way that they weren't in.

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Years, PAST yeah i also think that we probably underestimated as a collective be, you know it's, relevant now especially With. Top curry the hamstring Injury That tyres haliburton had.

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Last season he.

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He, you know by the time the playoffs, came back it felt like he was more or less back to pre, injury yourself but it's probably fair to say he was at eighty, five percent maybe, ninety eight, eighty percent maybe something in that sort, of range and that's going to make it specifically tough to. BEAT switches I would i would argue it's it's probably evidence as the fact that he's able to, you know Blow by giannis in the clutch moment and get major separation thing for a game.

Winner tonight he looks very healthy and very, very good and that's, you know important to remember as we're thinking About up curry's. Come Back tyre's halliburton took. Six months not that, you know, It's different every situation, is different. Person's different he took functionally six months to get back to one.

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Hundred, percent yeah his was a more severe, handstring injury, but yeah the point, still stands, which is like it there's also a, Trust, element, LIKE dude i had a foot Injury in juco where for an, entire semester all of non, CONFERENCE play i was a shell of MYSELF because i didn't trust my ability to plant, that foot, and like and it just it causes you to. Play passively it causes you to kind of hold like fifteen

percent of your intensity. And RESERVE and i think that there's an important element, to, where Like if steph doesn't feel comfortable really pushing off, that leg it's. A problem and there's no point In having steph go out there if he's going to be a shell of himself and not be nearly as impactful as he needs. To be but hopefully we'll get some better news ABOUT the. Mri tomorrow that's all we have for tonight, on, YouTube guys

we're headed over. To playback we'll see you guys there just a. Few minutes remember link is in the, description here going to be, taking callers taking, more questions getting into. Some film we'll see, you guys over there in just a. Few minutes, what's. Up guys, AS always i appreciate you for listening to AND supporting. Oops tonight it would actually be really helpful for us if you guys would take a second and leave a rating and.

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