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up two to zero. In this series, we're gonna be breaking down this game from the perspective of both teams. I'm gonna talk about some potential adjustments. We're gonna be talking a lot about SGA today and some of the specific ways that he's super effective as an on ball score our Microsoft segment today, we're gonna be covering Shay's MVP case, lots of Shaye talk today, and then at the tail end of the show, we'll take ten to

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Make sure you guys follow us there, and then, like we mentioned earlier, keep dropping those mail bag questions in the YouTube comments so we can get to them at the tail end of the show from the chat. All right, let's talk some basketball. So I thought tonight it was a classic example of how watching the box score is not the answer to who is playing better in any particular game. We had a question right after game where someone asked me why I wasn't more critical of Anthony

Edwards scoring zero points in the fourth quarter. And one of the things we've talked a lot about since that is the reality in the massive difference between the way these two teams are guarding each other, and it was way more aggressive tonight. He had thirty two, nine and six and he was a minus twenty two, and I didn't think he played particularly well. The reality is is these two teams are guarding each other in diametrically opposed fashion.

The Thunder are packing the paint, conceding corner kickouts, literally begging frant and Julius to try to force it into traffic so that they can be inefficient and turn the

basketball over on the other end of the floor. In the other part of it, too, is they're just trying to force Minnesota their role players to take mildly contested corner threes in high pressure situations on the other end of the floor, With exception of a few sequences of zone which we'll talk about in a little bit, which a thunderscored fine against, and then kind of a haphazard aggressive double team approach against Shae in the fourth quarter, a lot of just staying home on shooters and just

pressing up on Shae, playing one on one against him, defending ball screens two on two. The job for Shae in this series is to score the basketball. So what I'm looking for from Shaye is scoring volume and efficiency. The job for Aunt and Julius in this series is to get the ball out to their shooters on time, on target in the shooting pocket so that they can either make the defense pay knocking down the shot or drive a close out and get the defense into rotation

where they can attack from there. And Ant came out tonight, took eighteen shots in the first half, and like, there was some good looks in there, some good three point shots off the catch that I liked, some that he made, some that he missed, driving layup off of a Julius Randall post up where he was one pass away where he finished over the top of chet driving to close out.

There are shots in there that I liked. There are some even some one There are even some on ball one on one shots that I liked in there, But they were like eight or nine of those shots that I thought were bad shots early clock contested pull up threes against a pick and roll coverage, or trying to knife through six different bodies in the paint, including his own teammates, to try to finish in traffic. I thought

he forced the issue tonight and Minnesota couldn't score. They didn't score over twenty five points in a quarter until the fourth quarter. On the other end of the floor, Shay came out and consistently and efficiently worked out of ISOs and ball screens to make the Wolves pay for letting them play one on one and letting them play.

Chris Finch ideology. It's like the exact opposite of what you see from OKC or Memphis or some of these younger Ford aggressive pack to paint types of types of teams. But it goes deeper than that. Minnesota has elite one on one defenders. Jaden McDaniels is theoretically the perfect type of player to guard a guy like Shae, a guy that he can't overpower, a guy that has. He's got longer arms, is taller, who moves his feet well, great

at contesting pull up jump shots. We even saw him block Shay pull up three tonight like He's theoretically the perfect type of player to guard it, but shake. Gilles Alexander was the best high volume ISO player in the league this year for a reason. Out of the five players to run at least three hundred ISOs to take at least three hundred shot attempts out ISO's his one point one zero points per possession rate number one in

the league, and it's a simple dynamic. He is the best driver of the basketball in the world, and he's one of the highest field goal percentage pull up shooters in the world. That's the give and take with it. He logged two hundred and sixty five more drives than any other player in the NBA this year, In other words, four more per game than anyone in the NBA this year, and he's one of the highest field goal percentage pull

up shooters in the world. At Out of the thirteen players to take at least five hundred pull up jump shots this year. Only Demarta ros In shot a higher field goal percentage than Shay, and Shay was more efficient because he took more threes. Shay shot forty five percent on mid on pull up jump shots one point zero six points per shot. This puts every defender, even fantastic

defenders like Jad McDaniels and a bind. You have to overreact to the drive, but at the same time you have to overreact to the pull up because he's so good at both. And this is where Shay's brilliance comes into the equation, because he's remarkably gifted at selling one or the other, changing pace, selling fakes. He has a

ridiculous ability to chain together counter moves. I've never seen a player that can get into your body and cross over and get into your body and behind the back and get into your body and spin and just counter counter counter until you eventually give up that angle. And when he give up, when you give up that angle, that's when he goes downhill on you and if you concede space. He's one of the best over the top

shooters in the league. One of the things he was doing tonight that I found really interesting whether it was in ball screens or in ISO situations, he's snaking the help defender. You guys ever see this in ball screens where like a guy will come over the top of the screen and then he'll cross back over to the direction he originally came from, and the big man will have no idea what to do is he kind of works back towards the middle. Shay will do that on drives.

He'll hard drive, someone will hard step over and help, and he'll just immediately cross back over into the middle. And now all of a sudden, the help defenders got his body, a'll shift it out of position and he's right at the front of the rim again. It's one of the biggest reasons why I think Minnesota absolutely must change their game plan. This whole situation gets exacerbated by Jada McDaniel's ball pressure. I talked about this in Game one.

You guys saw it again on the last driving layup that he had down the right side of the lane tonight, when Jaden.

multiple bodies. When the defense is trying to force him to be a passer, he'll force it sometimes. And two, their catch and shoot guys can go deadly cold sometimes in this defensive scheme, which takes away catch and shoot threes, Let's Shay work one on one and pressures the ball, which allows him to drive to the basket. Is literally

playing directly into Oklahoma City's hands. Every playoff series is a chess match, and that chess match starts with your base line scheme, usually a defensive scheme geared towards the matchup. For Chris Finch and the Wolves, it was geared towards exactly what they did in the regular season. To everybody, it's their kind of like stock scheme that they use right and nothing is going to change for either team until you show an ability to beat that base scheme.

You want to know why we saw zone out of Minnesota tonight. You want to know why we saw doubling because they're grasping at straws because Shay is killing them one on one.

Look what we did to Austin. And you know, obviously the dregs of the Golden State roster after Steph got hurt. But like they went in that series thinking they were gonna be just fine. And again, like, what did I complain about in the Lakers series? What did I say consistently? Why did Minnesota win because Lebron couldn't score, because Luca couldn't score because Austin couldn't score when they needed to score in the pivotal moments of the game. Shay continually

has given these dudes buckets. They can't guard him one on one. And so here we are through two games, and as we head back to Minnesota, they've got to they've got to shift their base scheme and we'll see what happens next. I'm gonna talk some Minnesota adjust Minnesota adjustments in a minute. Okome a city beating the zone. I thought it really came down to two things. Their offensive rebounding and again, this is a problem with zone

in general. You're not matched up with individual offensive players, and so there's a tendency to give up cuts and crashes because you're just not matched up with guys and you can give up offensive rebounds in that way. And then Alex Cruso on his ability to score in the middle of the floor. One of the things he'll see against his zone, especially when you've got a chet Holmegrin or an Isaiah Hartenstein that can be a vertical spacer underneath the basket, the big man will not want to

come out to the middle of the floor. He won't want to come out to the middle because he'll give up that lob or that dunk. So with the top guys being concerned with the guys on the top tracking the three point line, corner guys the same thing, a lot of two three zones will concede a catch there in the middle, and Crusoe over and over again just kept catching the ball in the middle of the floor and scoring there as he was left open, and so the zone just didn't work for Minnesota to slow down

Oklahoma City in this game. I J Dub and Chet were both fantastic. Jet's been really effective in this series around the rim as a score since basically the second half of Game one, and a big part of that is that same dynamic we were talking about earlier. Everything's like in ball screens they're being defended two on two. In the one on ones when they're offering help, they're not like swarming. They're bringing one guy over, usually the big in which case when he steps over, Chet's finding

opportunities as an offensive rebounder. Both Chet and JDub were deadly in transition in this game. I thought that was big. But to get fifty or to excuse me, to get forty eight points from those two guys. That's one of the best supporting scoring games we've seen the Thunder get in this postseason. And then overall just Oklahoma City's defense, which has been fantastic in this entire playoff run. They

erased Julius Randall in this game. If you guys remember, I talked before the series about the specific thing that tilted me back towards Oklahoma City. Even though my initial gut feeling was that Minnesota had advantage in this series, the big thing that tilted me back towards Oklahoma City was the specific die you saw tonight, the inability to get the ball to Julius Randall in an advantageous scoring position.

Oklahoma City went back to the exact same approach that they used against Denver, which was just fronting the post, and we saw multiple steals on plays where Julius tried to get the arm into the back and create that over the top passing angle. Pass comes in over the top, but there's ball pressure, so that passes like a looping pass, and here comes lou Dort shooting in on the back line to get that steal. I think it was Shay that got the other one coming over and swiping away

against the post front as he brackets from behind. Their defense has been fantastic in the series. The ball pressure, the rim contests the Shay has been causing some problems for Ant with like late contests at the rim he forced to miss, he got a block on a late one where Ant got bailed out by an iffy foul call. There's a there is a layered effect to this Oklahoma City defense that is having big time impact on Minnesota. Minnesota notes couple things. The big thing is they need

to change their defensive approach. I don't think the answer is zoned. I don't think the answer is ball pressure. I don't think the answer is double teaming. I think the answer is you play defense the way Denver did you have Jaden McDaniels sit in a passive defensive stance where he's meeting Shay closer to the elbows. We saw that when Jaden kind of gives space, he can close ground and get a great contest on a shade pull

up three. Instead of pressuring Shay, he needs to be playing off, sitting back, making Shae drive into him where he has more time to anticipate the driving angle and to beat him to spots, and it's more likely to bait Shae in to pull up jump shots. Then I do think they need to be using the Denver approach of gapping really hard, getting into the point where you've got four bodies in the ain't consistently and dare Shae and these guys to beat you in the half court

as passers. When you double team shay out at half court, it creates a four on three in a massive area of space. There's so much space to work with there. You guys have seen the Golden State Warriors annihilate teams for a decade using those four on threes with that kind of space. When you double double team quote unquote Shae in the form of more like three four bodies in the paint consistently, that is a situation that creates

the advantage for Oklahoma City on the perimeter. Make Shae relentlessly hunt kickout reads, make these dudes knock down contested jump shots. Now, one of the things is I did think it was defensible, even though I do think this game, this series was inevitably careening towards a defensive shift towards more what I'm talking about, I did think that it was defensible to try it again tonight. It was defensible because theoretically, you kept game one close and you just

missed a ton of kickout threes. So in theory, you go into game two, you stick with your base defensive game plan, guys shoot better, and you have a chance to go back back home with a one to one series, and maybe you can hold that card in your back pocket.

But now through two games, it's abundantly clear that these guys aren't going to be able to knock down enough of those kickouts in the corner against those contests, and so now it's at the point where now it's at the point where you have to consider changing your defensive approach. You've got to get more stops than you've been getting. Oklahoma City since the first half of Game one, has

consistently scored at high volume. Seventy points in the second half of Game one, fifty eight points in the first half of game two, sixty points in the second half of game two. They are scoring on you consistently for a game and a half.

things more heavily towards Minnesota. And so I think I think in game three there needs to be way less ball pressure, way more of a contain and compact the paint. Force Shay to beat you with the pass, force Oklahoma City to beat you from the perimeter instead of letting them knifeet a pieces in the middle of the lane like they have through the first two games. Another fifty eight points in the paint tonight for Oklahoma City. A couple other things I talked about in game one, how

I would potentially consider leaning into Rudy Gobert more. No more of that. I thought Rudy was bad tonight. I thought he was bad on defense, and I thought he was nightmarishly bad on offense. He got thirty minutes tonight, I didn't think he was effective at any point. So I'm kind of over the Rudy Gobert experience in this series.

The complete inability to finish anything in the pocket and then on defense like him not contesting Isaiah Hartenstein's floater down low, even though we got clear at film from the Denver series that that's how you bother him. The okay, you're on a switch against Shay Gills Alexander, or handling Shay in a drop coverage, and you're just fouling him every time. He's not providing any real resistance. I don't

see the Rudy value in this series anymore. So we talked about that as being a potential option to explore in game one or after game one. You explored it more tonight. No more need to explore that territory. I don't think this is a series where Rudy can be very effective. Julius rand last to change his approach. I thought he tried to force his way through a slump today.

We talked a lot about this example in the last few weeks in our playback sessions, but the idea of like how do you get yourself out of a slump when the shots aren't falling. There's option one, which is

take every shot you can get your eyes on. We saw a lot of that with like Dante DiVincenzo in Game one, for example, and in that sort of situation, you're most likely just going to compound the problem because you're probably going to be taking a bunch of iffy shots that are low percentage under any circumstances, especially when you're not in a good rhythm. The second method is find ways to generate easy shots and derive confidence from

the dirty work. Defend your ass off, rebound your ass off, control everything that's in your control, which will help boost your confidence to where you feel better on the offensive end, and then on the offensive end, fight for easy looks. Transition pushes, offensive rebound crashes, anything with the real advantage, whether it's a post mismatch or it's say, you know, a semi transition opportunity where you can drop your shoulder. There's a very brief stretch in the third quarter where

Julius like really started to force the issue physically. He got like a deep transition seal for a bucket, another like deep post up, and then a couple of like semi transition pushes and I'm like, hey, like this is better. But there was this huge stretch of the game where he was already one for five, one for six, and he's just taking every semi contested three he can get his hands on, and like, that's just not gonna get

you out of that sort of slump. Again, there's this is where I'll move to the last adjustment here and Julius have to be looking to be aggressive with an advantage, not at the beginning of the possession. At the beginning of the possession, they're attacking a loaded up Oklahoma City defense that is praying to God that they will do something stupid like try to score through all of them

in the paint. The on ball guy, whether it's Julius or its Aunt, or it's one of the role players, needs to be looking in By the way, one of the things they're doing with the other role players is they're not overreacting as much on those pushes or anything

in the middle of the floor. But if Julius and Aunt, whether it's through the post or it's through a pick and roll or an ISO or whatever it is, get the ball to the middle, get it sprayed out from there, drive and kickspacing, get out of the middle of the floor somewhere where you can get back in a position to catch that guy will either catch and shoot and make a wide open catch and shoot three or against a close out will drive and now you have an

opportunity to attack when the defense is shifted and sprinting at you. That is where Aunt and Julius can look to be aggressive and score. This is not an on ball scoring series for Ant and Julius. It is an on ball playmaking and off ball scoring series for Aunt and Julius. They have to make that adjustment or they are never going to crack Okac out of their base scheme. All right, before we get to our mail back questions, let's do our course correction segment on Shay's MVP. Welcome

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you have your own hurdles to face. In this segment, we will highlight the player every week that has risen to the occasion when his team needed him. Whatever challenge you're facing, Microsoft empowers you with the expertise to say, bring it on. This week's Player of the Week is the twenty twenty five MVP of the NBA, Shay Gilders. Alexander Shay had a remarkable statistical season thirty three points per game, five rebounds, six assists, one point seven steals

in a block, sixty four percent true shooting. That's somehow under selling how important he was to the Oklahoma City offense. Per cleaning the glass. The Thunder offense was nine point one points per one hundred possessions better when he was on the floor versus off. The strength of the Thunder is their defense. We all know that, and their defense is elite down the roster, regardless of who was on the floor, including Shay. But they could not score with

Shay off the floor this year. They had a one to fourteen point eight offensive rating with him off. For perspective, that's a lower offensive rating than the Houston Rockets log this year in the regular season, but they had a one twenty four offensive rating when Shay was on the floor, which is three points better than the number one offense in the league, the Cleveland Cavaliers. We were talking about Nicole Yokich having the greatest offensive season of all time.

They had a won twenty six offensive rating with Yokic on the floor. Shaye was producing with that Thunder offense at nearly the same level. In other words, the Thunder offense went from mediocre to elite top tier production when Shae was on the floor. And this goes beyond the metrics to the eye test. There were so many times this year where Shaye's entire supporting cast lost their confidence and he had no choice but to completely take control of the game. He was also one of the most

reliably great scores in the league this year. Shay had just nine games this season where he shot below forty percent from the field. For comparison, a guy like Ant twenty five such games. Oh well, Aunt takes a lot of threes. Okay, how about Brunson. Brunson's a guy who lives in the mid range. Twenty one times this year

Brunson shot below forty percent from the field. How is it that Shay is so reliably good on the defensive end of the four well for starters, two thirds of his shot attempts come within seventeen feet, so there's very little variants because there's very little long range jump shooting.

And then on those short range jumpers, which would be the one thing in there that has a lot of variants, he shot fifty four percent on jumpers inside of seventeen feet, so he was deadly on the one thing in his two thirds of his game that occurs within seventeen feet of the rim that would theoretically come with some variants. He also got to the rim an absurd amount. We talked about his drives earlier, five hundred and fifty attempts

at the rim this season, according to Synergy. For Perspective, NICOLEA. Jokic logged five hundred and fifty three attempts at the rim this season, only three more than Shay did. I thought he was very much deserving of the MVP. I'm a big Jokic fan, and I do think Jokic is a better basketball player than Shay is.

fire their coach. I heard a lot of talk about Jokic having the greatest offensive season ever and us looking back this year and thinking that the MVP decision we made was a mistake. I don't see it that way at all. I think SGA's MVP case is beyond well deserved. I don't think any player in the league had a reasonable case to be over him. So congratulations to Shay. Obviously you just won the MVP. But at this point I would be stunned if the Thunder didn't win the title.

I think they match up extremely well with both Indiana in New York, two teams that rely on guard play and speed, and Oklahoma City has just got better speed and better guard play while also being better defensively on the back line than both of those teams. I think they would dispatch if both the Knicks and the Pacers in five games or less, and at this point you're up two to zero in the Western Conference Finals in Minnesota. Hasn't even come remotely close to dislodging you from your

base game plan? Or does that tell me? That tells me this time a month from now, the Thunder are going to be hoisting the trophy and Shay won't just be an MVP, He'll be a finals MVP. And if you start to look at the Thunder and the assets they have at their disposal, and the age of their roster, and the fact that they still have so much room to improve, it might not even be the first one

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in time. I I told Boston fans at the time, I didn't see them as an all time great team because you kind of have to earn that, right with me and guys like, I'm pretty consistent about this stuff, Like it was the same thing with Jokic back in the day. Like I think that there's a conversation you can have about who's the best at something, But I'm usually the guy that like wants to see you accomplish the ultimate goal first. I don't like theoretical success. I

like real life success. And so for me, like, I think the Thunder have every possibility to be an all time great team that wins multiple championships and when they do, if they do, we will acknowledge them as as such.

types of teams. And so the defense side of it, I need to see that defense have that success through multiple playoff runs. That said, I absolutely see that upside and I thought it manifested in them that Denver offense was unbelievable all year and for extended stretches. Not only did they quote unquote dislodge or frustrate Denver's offense, they played Jokic into probably the worst three game stretch I've ever seen in play in game two three and four, so or was it three four and five?

because even they haven't won even one title yet. They certainly haven't won too, but they it feels obvious on the eye test that they are a gap from the second best event in the NBA, which feels like something we didn't haven't talked about much either than like, you know, four Pistons, you know, which is not to say that they're as good as good as that team defensively, but that gap is why I think these conversations are at least, you know, reasonable at.

think everyone. I think everyone sees the writing on the wall a little bit, which is like Oklahoma City will probably go into next season, is like a pretty substantial favorite, like probably somewhere in the like like if you had, If I would, I would guess that okayse would enter next season at like almost even odds to win the title.

in the late twenty tens. But they don't have some of the fragility that we saw with Boston, where it's like, well, Chris tops porzingis can't stay healthy and Al Horford is getting very old, and like Jada or excuse me, like Jalen Willie or excuse me, Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum are both kind of like rickety stars that have the potential to like spiral in big moments, like Shay is just Shay is just a more reliably great star at

the head of it. And they're younger and healthier and more athletic, and so it's easier to see more sustained success. And I think everyone is kind of experiencing a similar feel to what the Warriors looked like when Kevin Durant was on the team where it's like, how the hell are we gonna beat these guys, you know? And then I think the second part of it is like, like you and I were complaining about this before the show, Like Shay is so amazing, and so is Jalen Brunson.

The two of them are so unbelievably good, and like I I like, for some reason, when I see Shay go down in a pivotal third quarter run in unleash the low gather on Nikil Alexander Walker and just drive through his chest and then throw up a left handed flow that like literally no basketball player would ever take under any circumstances unless they were expressly looking for a foul, and he banks it in and the crowd goes crazy, and it's like this big moment, right Like it feels

like Shaye driving the nail in the coffin of Game two, and it just kind of is like, oh, but it's a non basketball play. That's gross, And so I think there's a certain amount of that that's kind of eating at people a little bit. But I would I would even say that's hails in comparison to the simple fact that everyone's just scared shitless that these guys are going to be impossible to beat for the next couple of years.

Has he done something differently or is it sort of just making more shots?

game plan so dumb? You're the entire purpose of a defensive game plan in the postseason is to make your opponent uncomfortable, and they have allowed Shae and JDub and even Chet to get comfortable because they're playing in a setting that kind of fits their skill set perfectly.

I thought Aunt got like two or three kind of questionable whistles on plays where he didn't really get foul, but he was just driving through four bodies and it's almost like a sympathy whistle.

night long. Minnesota's twenty one unguarded catch and shoots in this game, and they only got zero point eighty six points per shot, And like, really that's kind of the main thing. And like if there's one defense to throw at ant for him just trying to ram his head through a brick wall tonight, it's that his teammates are all shit in the bed because like there's a certain amount of like none of them can score in these

advantages that Oklahoma City is gift wrapping for them. And at a certain point, I think he's just looking at the situation and going, I, well, never mind, I'll do it myself, you know.

hard closeouts and covering ground in transition. There's no doubt that the style of play is infinitely harder on the lower body than what the eighties and nineties look like or even the two thousands, right, And so I think that I think that the NBA has a problem that they have to look to address, which is that in multiple consecutive postseasons now we're not just seeing like a couple stars get hurt, like it's happening to three, four,

five guys in every single postseason run torn achilles, torn acls, foot injuries, like there's just a clear sign that the modern NBA game is more taxing on the body than it used to be. I think that there's a very simple solution, which is to shorten the season. You cut it down to sixty six games, play at most three times a week. Every team has a guaranteed two day off stretch every single week. You space out the games in a way that one benefits you financially in the

form of stars participating more frequently in higher urgency. Because if you shrink the season by twenty percent, you increase the value of each regular season win by twenty percent.

You could start playing in October, play sixty six games, never have a back to back, have those that bit of time off, and then you could be in a situation the postseason where guys aren't being forced to play every other night and traveling from city to city. I think the NBA has got to have a real honest conversation with themselves about whether or not the money is worth the wear and tearor of putting on these guys' bodies, because I think the modern game is just too much

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