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to new tonight here at the volume heavy Wednesday. Everybody hope All If you guys are having a great week, we got a jam pack show for you today. We're hitting both pn T games from last night as the Knicks get a big win on the road against the Pacers and then the Grizzlies do the same on the road against the Suns. A lot of interesting stuff to get into. You guys have the joke before we get started. Subscribe to Hoops Tonight YouTube channels. You don't miss any

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keepdropping mailback questions in the YouTube comments. We can hit them in our Friday mail bags throughout the rest of the season. All right, let's talk some basketball. So we're gonna start with Nicks Pacers. A very interesting example of the role that matchups play in the NBA. The Pacers did about as good of a job on Jalen Brunson in this game that I've ever seen a team do. They started with Nemhart on him, but it was a

steady diet of Nemhard Knee Smith, TJ. McConnell, and they were just relentless with physical ball pressure all night long, staying attached, swiping at the ball, being physical with him, frustrating him. They stayed attached to him on screening actions, even the tougher ones. You know, Jalen Brunson's will sometimes like get into the middle of the floor and if he doesn't like what he's got, he'll pitch the ball out to a big flashing up high and then he'll

sprint off of that for a dribble handoff. But even on those he was coming off the dribble handoff and just running right into another defender. They closed off passing angles on him with length, made it really difficult for him to feed the role man when he was getting trapped on some of those actions. They kept him off the foul line. It's the first time all season that a team held Jalen Brunson to zero free throw attempts. I thought that was interesting and again got him into

foul trouble. And I thought most of that foul trouble actually came down to his own his own frustrations. Three of the fouls that he had in this game, he basically just either hacked the dude or shoved somebody over when he was clearly frustrated. But here's the thing. The Pacers match up well with the Knicks on the perimeter. They've got a lot of guys that they can throw at. Jalen Brunson, Nemhard can do a good job. Nie Smith

is big and physical and can give him some issues. TJ. McConnell a fire hydrant that can beat him to spots. Those guys give him some issues. The flip side is, though, without Myles Turner, they match up terribly with Carl Anthony Towns and he absolutely fried Thomas Bryant in every which way in this game. It's beating in with the classic pick and pop stuff that the Knicks do all the time.

He beat him several times with drives. He beat him out of the post, like Briant looked lost chasing him around on the perimeter. There's a big possession in the fourth quarter of this game where they needed to stop late shot clock situation. There's like three four seconds on the shot clock and Cat the ball's in the right corner, deep in the right corner, and Kat kind of flashes to the right wing to get the ball, and Thomas Bryant like runs out there to try to deny the pass.

As soon as Cat catches it, he just rips back to the left and goes right by Thomas Bryant gets a wide open layup. It's just bad defense. But that's the thing. Like a lot of times, Carl Anthony Towns will put big guys into situations that they're not used to being in because he's such a different type of outside in center, the Pacers tried all sorts of things. They tried a centerless look where they went with Siakam and Obi Toppin at the four or five, and Kat

just promptly got too easy post seal buckets, a transition one against Ben mather In, a little post move on the right block. Against Obi Toppin, they tried putting a wing on him and refusing to switch so that he couldn't get open on the pop, but then they just used Kat as a screener and ended up getting McHale bridges downhill for an easy drop off pass to Josh Hart.

They couldn't keep him off the offensive glass. They just didn't have the bodies to match up with Karl Anthony Towns, and he torched him for it forty points, twelve rebounds, and five assists. Such an interesting example of that dynamic though, Like the styles make fights, and if you've got the guys to match up with a certain type of player, you can be in a good spot there. But if you don't have a matchup for a different type of player,

you can be completely screwed. And it didn't matter how good of a job they did on Brunson again, the best job I've seen someone do on Brunson in a long time, and it just didn't matter because they didn't have the bodies for Karl Anthony Towns. It's an interesting example of that dynamic. Again, injuries play a role in this, but I just thought it was a really interesting storyline in that game. I thought Josh Hart had a fantastic game, a lot of the usual transition pushes where he just

looks like a bowling ball to the rim. He had twelve points in transition in this game. To me, Josh hartt represents the consistent second wave of rim pressure when the Knicks are an offense on offense in the half court, whether it's Jalen Brunson, whether it's Karl Anthony Towns, whether it's og In McHale, it doesn't matter who it is that's initiating things. As soon as he sees his man turn his head, he is cutting to the front of the rim, and if he doesn't get the ball on

the cut, he's there for the offensive glass. He had ten points on cuts in this game. He had four points on offensive rebounds. Think about how crazy that is to have a thirty point game where you have twelve in transition, ten on cuts, and four in offensive rebounds, basically putting up a thirty ball almost entirely on the margins just by running his lane and cutting every single time someone got to the basket. In the Knicks offense, it's that second wave. Right first wave comes in, all

attention gets direc towards that. Josh is always just sneaking in right behind that and doing damage. Overall, I thought the Knicks defense did a great job of containing the ball in this game too, particularly on Pascal Siakam. Pascal had twenty four points, but literally every single one of them were either in transition or as a play finisher. He didn't get a single bucket or a single point in the post or in an ISO, or as the

ball handler in a ball screen. When he got into those situations, guys were walling him up, keeping him in front and forcing him to shoot over the top, and he was missing. And again, like that's your job. Like every one of these star players, you're not gonna stop them entirely. And again, Pascal got twenty four because he's still a really good basketball player. But if you at least make them rely on the tougher shots that are in their diet, you can limit their effectiveness gamed game

based on variants. We all know Pascal can hit those shots, but he also can miss them. But the only way you can get him into that situation is if that's what he's relying on instead of getting easy stuff just beating people off the dribble. I thought they did a good job on Haliburton, held him to sixteen points and

force him into four turnovers. I've talked a lot of late when we talk NIX about how devastating they can be when they play defense and they get stops and they force turnovers, and they run out in transition when they focus in on getting stops, run out for quick shots and then get back and defend again. That's when they're at their best, and really I thought that was

what triggered the run that ended the game. The Pacers actually cut this one down to four in the late third quarter, but like McHale, Bridges stays attached to Tyrese Haliburton on a ball screen forces a missed mid range shot. They run out and get a bucket. McHale walls up Siakam on an ISO and forces him into an overtop shot that he misses. They run out the other way. Duce McBride misses a shot, it gets blocked when they get an offensive rebound and they get to the foul line.

Landry Shammitt defends Halliburton really or defends Andrew Nemhard really well on a ball screen, forces him into a tough mid range fade away that he leaves way short and then runs the floor to the left corner, and Shaman hits a corner three. In transition. Tyre Saliburn coming off of a little ball screen action with Thomas Bryant. It's

a little miscommunication. He thinks Thomas Bryant's gonna pop, but insteady rolls Tyree's just throws it over the top and they're running out the other way, and here's campaign with a reverse layup on the left side of the basket. That is when the Knicks are at their best, stops, rebounds, pushes,

quick shots in transition. I think that's the important thing that they're gonna have to rely on, because again, when they get into the half court, especially against some of the best teams in the league, if you let this become a slow down game, there are better slow down teams than you. So that's got to be an important part of what they do. A couple other knicks I wanted to shout out. I thought ducemcbride was great. The Pacers jumped out to a seven point lead early in

this game. He hit three threes in his first shift that really helped flip the tide of this game back towards the Knicks. And then Prescious to chew up like Prescious has been getting a lot of opportunities here with the starting group since Ojan Andobe got hurt, and there's an obvious difference, like he doesn't shoot the ball very well.

There are a lot of possessions where I'm watching the Knicks and someone gets in the lane and they fire a kickout pass and it's too Precious in the corner and you're like, he clangs it off the side of the rim, and you're like, that's a shot that og Anobi can make. But you just have to find a way to make a positive impact anyway when you're a replacement player like that first on the glass. Precious had

five offensive rebounds last night, twelve overall driving closeouts. When you catch in the corner instead of shooting, just rip and go to the basket. Try to make something good happen that way. He had a big rescue possession rre. He ended up with the ball in the late clock, like late in the shot clock, just went right at Pascal Siakam's chest and bodied him and made a little left shoulder hook in the lane. That's a positive impact.

He was active as an off ball screener. He got a again, this is a great way to generate spacing when you can't shoot. I think it was Michael Bridges driving from the top of the key and Campaign was on the right wing and Precious to chew over was in the right corner and instead of just standing there, he just ran up in backscreen campaigns Man Campaign relocated to the corner and it was just an easy kickout

pass to campaign for three. That's creating spacing with your screening without needing to actually knock down spot up shots. I just thought he played really well, and Tims clearly trust him because he's been playing huge minutes as of late. I thought that was a really nice road win for the Knicks. On the Pacers front. Again, I want to compliment them for their defense on Brunson. It's just one of the better performances that I've seen a team do

against him. I thought They're off ball and transition defense did them in on this one. Specifically, Tyres Alibert and Ben Mathern. They had really rough nights in this department against the Knicks. Again, you have to know that they're trying to run the floor. They are trying to do a lot of crashing, a lot of cutting, a lot of running. They are the most efficient transition offense in the NBA. They are a top ten offensive rebound scoring team, and they are top ten they're top ten in scoring

off of cuts. It's a huge part of their game plan. When you're playing the Knicks, you got to keep them off the glass. You got to get back in transition.

You got to watch those second wave cuts like we were talking about with Josh Hart, and yet time and time again, the Pacers would have bad floor balance then just get beat down the floor in transition just because the next were running harder, or in the half court, a guy like Josh Hart or Precious to Chew At Karl Anthony Towns or some Knicks player would just slash to the basket behind the play and clean things up

while there were Pacers who weren't paying attention. This is actually a big picture problem for the Pacers that extends beyond last night. The Pacers give up the fifth most points per game in the entire NBA off of cuts, and they give up the ninth most points directly off of putbacks, meaning quick offensive rebound putbacks in the NBA perc entergy. It's just something they need to get way better at. Ben Mathern in particular, is really bad at it.

He's always just kind of like standing upright and ball watching when he's in off ball situations. It's just a recipe for getting beat there. The other thing I want to talk about is the Thomas Bryant issue. Again, it's hard to overcome a drop off from Miles Turner to Thomas Bryant. Brian is just really bad on defense, especially in space, but he also doesn't provide any rim protection, so it's tough. But he usually makes up for it on offense, and he just hasn't been good enough there.

He had eighteen last night. But I thought one of the big things that stood out to me in terms of like disrupting the rhythm of the PACER's offense is that kickback on the pick and pop where it's usually Haliburton and Turner, where Halliburton will come off that screen, Miles will pop, He'll pitch it back and Miles will either pump fake or drive the clothes out and take that pick and pop three. And Thomas just wasn't taking it.

He was just catching at the top of the key wide open, not taking it, but also not driving it. He would like catch there and then just turn and look the other way for someone else to run action. It almost like seemed like a break in the wheel of the way that the pacers want to run offense. There's a couple of different ways he can do that. Shoot it. If you're not going to shoot it, just roll.

There were a few times in the second half where he started rolling and he brought in lowman help which opened up the skip pass that they were able to get advantages out of. Another thing he was able to do he had a shorter jumper around the top of the key. Okay, you don't want to take twenty five four footer, go in there and take the eighteen nineteen footer, right like, do something to be a threat when you're popping out of those ball screens, especially when they're playing you,

because you're specifically a good offensive player. But the Pacers are going to have to find a way to make better use of Thomas Brian in these minutes when Myles Turner is out because it looked rough on both ends last night. All right, before we move on to the Suns and the Grizzlies, we want to do our segment that we have with our partner Microsoft. Welcome to Course Correction,

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your own hurdles to face. In this segment, we explore the challenges faced by teams or star players and how they can turn things around. Whatever challenge your face, seeing Microsoft empowers you with the expertise to say bring it on. This week, we're discussing the challenge faced by Kevin Durant after his Achilles injury. I was amazed watching Kevin Durant last night. The Suns were an absolute mess. They had several guys playing that probably shouldn't be in the rotation

for a serious NBA team. They looked incredibly sloppy and undisciplined, one of the worst transition defense performances I've seen. They gave up twenty offensive rebounds. We're gonna talk all about that here in a few minutes when we get into that game breakdown. But like a shining light in that

darkness was Kevin Durant. Thirty four points on eighteen shots, only one turnover, five blocks, battling with Jaron Jackson trying to box him out on the glass all night long, and to top it off, in the process, he enters into rare territory. Kevin Durant is only the eighth player in NBA history to score thirty thousand points in an NBA career. Rarefied air. There a group of guys that it's an honor to be associated with. But to me, the most part of all of this is the circumstances

he overcame to get here. Kevin Durant suffered the most terrifying injury that a basketball player can suffer, an Achilles rupture, right at the peak of his powers. He was playing so incredibly well when he took that little baseline jumper that he knocked down where he originally suffered the calf injury, and then he played amazing in his first few minutes in the NBA Finals before he went down, And you can't imagine a more discouraging set of circumstances for a

basketball player. And instead of letting that injury be a signal of the end, he came back every bit as good as ever on the other side of the injury. Seven thousand and sixty eight of those thirty thousand and eight points that he scored so far came after the Achilles tear, and he's done it on higher volume in efficiency than he was doing before the injury. In the five seasons before Kevin Durant's injury, he averaged twenty six points per game on just under sixty four percent for shooting.

In the five seasons since, he's averaging twenty eight points per game on over sixty four percent for shooting. Any drop in his athleticism, he's more than made up for with a mastery of the modern game as a playmaker and as a floor general. I was really amazed by this in the Brooklyn Nets days as the league kind of shifted to like really good spacing in the spread

pick and roll attack. He was so incredibly good at picking teams apart as a pick and roll ball handler with the Nets, and we've seen that extend throughout this late phase of his career. Like he's just the product

of a consistent pursuit of excellence. He's got a legendary work ethic. His shooting workouts are the example set for all pros around the world. Still, when I'm talking to the kids that I train in high school, I talk about doing every single rep at game speed, something that Kevin Durant has been preaching. He's just Katie is one of the best ambassadors to the game of basketball that has ever come into this league, and I'm thankful for him.

I just wanted to take a second before we talked about that game last night, to congratulate him on overcoming the adversity of his injury and to enter into rarefied air and NBA history. That's it for this week's course correction. Remember Microsoft's AI solutions empower you to take bold steps and make informed decisions, sparking new ideas to help drive your business forward. If Microsoft as your trusted partner, you can navigate your journey with confidence, finding innovative solutions and

reaching new possibilities. Visit Microsoft dot com Slash Challengers to learn more. All right, let's talk Grizzlies Sons. Now we can go negative. I thought last night was a classic example of the difference between a serious team and the NBA and an unserious team, both in like basketball character, like what the guys in the locker room are willing

to do, but also in roster building. I thought the Suns put forth one of the more embarrassing transition defense performances I've seen in the last season, not getting matched up, not sprinting back a lot of repeated confusion early on in the game between Bull Bull and Kevin Durant about who they were guarding, and most of that looked like Bull Bull just not paying attention. Katie's constantly pointing telling him where to go. But we'll get into that with

bow Bowl in a minute. They gifted Memphis so many advantages without even needing to do anything other than just push the ball up the floor. Memphis logged thirty six transition possessions last night. That's one of their highest totals of this entire season. All of their bigs were great running the floor, especially Jaron Jackson and Brandon Clark. Santi al Dama came right in and scored eleven points in like his first two minutes on the floor. A bunch

of those were in transition. John Morant one of the biggest plays of the game. Bu Bull hits a three on the left wing, cuts the lead to three. Memphis just inbounds to Jaw and Jow races up the court for a layup while every Sun is just glued up to their man instead of getting into normal help side position, making things difficult on the glass. Memphis had twenty offensive rebounds In this game, their bigs were great again. All their bigs did great. Edie Jackson and Clark each had

at least three offensive rebounds. Brandon Clark just did a ton of damage to Bowl Bull, who just looked like he was in La la land literally all night. He had a couple of big ones in crunch time two. Zach Edy was punishing. Every single time a Phoenix guard would get switched on to him, he just bury him and get an offensive rebound. Vince Williams Junior relentless corner crashing, Jalen Wells great crashing. Santi al Dama had three offensive rebounds.

They just smashed Phoenix on the glass. Meanwhile, on the other end, Memphis posted an eighty three percent defensive rebound percentage, which is excellent. There are things that serious NBA teams do every single game the majority of possessions, just because it's a not negotiable to get to where you want to go. If you have goals of making a deep playoff runt, you have to be willing to run the floor all game long, every night. You have to be

willing to get in there and scrap for rebounds. If you don't, you will get utterly smashed on the margins, and it will make it nearly impossible for you to overcome. These two teams were virtually dead even last night in half court efficiency. The margins were literally what cost Phoenix the game. And this is where we have to look

at roster building. When you build your roster around three max contract guys mostly through trades instead of through naturally in the draft, you inevitably sign yourself up for a lot of discounted players surrounding them, and that especially is gonna come to the surface. And we've talked about this a lot on the show over the years. When one of those max contract stars is out of the lineup, then you end up having to lean on those guys

even more. And it shows up even when Beal plays simply his Beal is not particularly good at dirty work, right. I thought it was very interesting just to see the difference and talent on the floor for either team last night. Like Bull, Bull started for Phoenix and he put up a monster stat line for the record, which is a testament to his talent level. Eighteen points, fourteen rebounds, two steals,

and four blocks. And I thought he was mostly bad, And I thought he was mostly hurting his team because like his motor just kept shutting off in the middle of the gate. He was the primary cause of their transition defense issues jogging back. I literally watched him running step for step with Jaron Jackson, with Jaron Jackson about one step in front of him, and he's clearly running

right to the front of the rim. And instead of Bullwolls sprinting to get in front of Jaron Jackson and try to disrupt it, he just was content to jog right behind him until a swing pass went right to Jaron Jackson. He got a dunk, multiple possessions where he's just floating around guarding no one. He saw that Santi al Dama like up and under, like double pump scoop shot that he made just not match up in transition

Bull Bull just floating around guarding nobody. The like there was the two buckets I talked about, the Jaron Jackson dunk, there was another transition dunky or floater that he gave up to Brandon Clark where he's just floating around guarding nobody. Next thing you know, Brandon Clark flashes to the front of the rim and by the time bow Bull realizes what's happening. Brandon Clark's already shooting a little floater right in front of the rim that he makes. He just

wasn't paying attention. Like when he was paying attention, he was dominant, blocking shots, getting contested rebounds, making plays on offense. But it was literally like a it was like a fifty to fifty shot, whether or not he'd be mentally or physically engaged in the possession. Like he had fourteen rebounds, several plays where he got in the mix and beat everyone to the ball because he has ludicrous physical tools, but he gave up so many of those offensive rebounds

to Memphis. I lost caim. He'd just be floating around ten to fifteen feet from the rim, while like six or seven dudes are under the basket fighting for a loose ball. He's just not in there. It's like you've got to get in there and go to war with your teammates. Possession by possession. It's a crucial one. Late in the game. I tweeted the videout. You can go to my Twitter feet I underscore JCNLT. You can see

the example. He's just kind of standing around fifteen eighteen feet from the basket on the left side, Brandon Clark sprints right by him. There's all these dudes in this scrum under the basket. Him and Tyas Jones are both just bouncing around eighteen feet from the basket, not guarding anybody, while Brandon Clark's getting an offensive rebound put back in crunch time. It was a six point game in crunch time. But I want to be clear, it's not just bowl

bull ty Ty Washington zero for six from three. Obviously heard he's a career twenty three point five percent from three, though on ninety eight attempts as an NBA player, he can't shoot. Also the decision making. He took a pull up three in the first half when KD was asking for the ball. A guy who couldn't shoot took a pull up three when KD was asking for the ball. He shot a floater in transition when it was a two on four when they had no numbers. He back

room didn't missed it. Mason Plummey out there, who just fumbles away easy rebounds and has been a huge part of their rebounding problems this season. Like, there's just a lot of limited players that probably shouldn't be in the rotation. For a serious team. There's a reason why Bull Bull was available for the Suns. There's a reason why he hasn't been able to find a consistent home in the NBA because despite his talent, he's not a possession to possession guy that you can trust to do his job.

So coaches don't trust him, so they don't want to play it. But then you like look on the other side, and it's like for Memphis, they're built organically through the draft, so they can afford to have many more good basketball players on their team. They don't have a obvious weak link in their top five. Phoenix has like five dudes

on their entire roster that they can really trust when they're healthy, and most of them are redundant and do the same job. Memphis is bench just rock solid. Santiel dam is awesome, Brandon Clark is better than any center on the Sun's roster. Vince Williams can play. GJ. Jackson can play, Scotty Pippen Junior can play, Luke Kennark can shoot the basketball. It's just you got to look at the reality of the roster here. Phoenix has a lot of players who aren't very good NBA players. And that's

why they're discounted, that's why they're available. You know, I've thought a lot about this concept from the standpoint of like of how to go about the process of getting to a championship. You can't skip steps. You can't just sign a few stars and go win a title. You have to have organizational excellence. That is part of the

process of you getting those stars. That is part of the process of you building out actually talented role players to surround those guys with that organizational excellence, from the scouting department to the general manager, to the coaching staff, to the types of stars you're built around, to the guys that end up coming up through the program as part of that basketball character you're trying to build. That's the kind of group that ends up playing basketball like

the Memphis Grizzlies do. And when you throw together three max players and one of them's not good at dirty work and Bradley Beal and you're just looking for every single discount castaway in the NBA, you're gonna end up having something that looks like this Phoenix Suns roster. And like, here's the thing, as far as the margins go. One of the things that makes a good basketball player. A good basketball player is their natural inclination to do the

dirty work. I've noticed this with the Lakers this year. They had no interest in doing it. But then here's what happened. They traded a bad defender and D'Angelo Russell for Dorian Finney Smith, a good defender. Jared Vanderbilt, who was hurt, got healthy. He's a fantastic defender. Those guys started guarding suddenly. Lebron got swept into it. Now he's

guarding now. All of a sudden, there's just more players on the team in the rotation that are professionals at doing their jobs on the margin, and it's completely galvanized a roster that was unwilling to do that work early in the season. Again, you cannot skip steps. Organizational excellence is the only way from the top down to actually get to the finish line in this league. It's okay to have a week point, but you can't have multiple

week points along the line. You can't have a week front office and have your entire basketball culture inside the inside the locker room built around guys that aren't willing to do that work. A couple other Memphis shoutouts before we're done. I got Jared Jackson and John Moran and desbon Bane all made huge plays in the clutch, and this has been a consistent theme. Like when Memphis has struggled in the clutch this year, a lot of it does come down to that shot making, and when they

do make shots, they win. Joh huge plays in this one, that step back mid ranger that he had kind of right around the right elbow, that driving transition layup we talked about. Desmond Bain hit a huge pull up three coming off a screen at the top of the key.

Big shot in that game. Jared Jackson like a couple of big plays against KD and easy duck in where he just kind of bullied him, got to the spot, hit a little hook over his left shoulder, then a sweeping move across the middle of the lane where he drew a foul. Like those guys again, they're gonna go as far as those guys go in terms of making shots. Sant santial Domo is really impressive. Big part of the early stretch that the Grizzlies went on to go on

a run. He had eleven points in like the first two minutes he was on the floor, and then Vince Williams and Brandon Clark, they're just in order to punish the Suns for playing bad basketball, you had to be playing really good, high motor basketball on your end, and I thought Vince Williams and Brandon Clark were a huge part of that. Shout out to the Grizzlies. That's a

big win on the road there in Phoenix. All right, guys, that is all I have for today is always sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting me and supporting the show. We've got two more nights of basketball before we get into the trade deadline. We're gonna be covering those games here and the next week we'll do some fun stuff to kill time before we get back into it again. I appreciate you guys for rocking with me and supporting the show, and I'll see you tomorrow the volume. What's

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