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We Just Move Different, Pt 1

Jul 12, 202331 minSeason 2Ep. 27
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Look, China and America got history, and it's toxic. Let's talk out it 

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Speaker 1

Honestly, I can't imagine anybody not being able to relate to this. But in a hood scenario, you know, an inner city life, like, the consequences of this are probably considerably different than the consequences of everybody else. But whether we talk about somebody that works in your office or you went to school with or in this scenario ain't necessarily the opt but could possibly become it at any moment. Y'all just move different, Like, no matter how hard you try,

it's always some. It's just like some just don't sit right where you just like, I feel like I should like I should like you. I just I just don't like that. I'm saying, like, it's just a no. You pick a scenario, any scenario, any situation, hypothetical or not, without YouTube talking or consulting each other. You're just giving someone explains to you the exact same scenario, and then that person you to just you know, pick a side without even talking, without even trying. You just fall on

opposite sides every time. You just fundamentally see the world differently for whatever reason. But then you take a third party who's watching all this and kind of being like, well, y'all kind of ratchet in the same way. You know what I'm saying, Like you actually want the same things. You just you just fundamentally move different. Some people are just super aggressive and loud. Some people are quiet and finessy. But either way, you getting the job done. It's almost like,

you know, respect on their name. I respect it. I see what you're doing. I understand what you're doing. I get it. I don't like it. I think you're weirdo, I think you a problem. I think it in any moment, I remember I got it on me, you know, And if you feel froggy, like if we want to get down, we could get down, or we could like get together make this money. I don't like it. You don't like it either. I don't like you. You don't like me, you know what I'm saying. But respect dude. It's like,

but I feel like I should like you. You ever had a friend like that where it's like doc, I feel like we should kick it. And every time y'all try to hang out or try to do it, just something go wrong. Every time. There's a lot of stuff like that from where I'm from, where it's like really like each other. But I mean, I respect your section and respect mine. As long as you keep it chill, I'll keep it chill. But since there's so much tension, any given misstep, any given side look, any given sigh

at the wrong time could set it off. Oh man, I was like, even if you come in dripping, I'm like, I don't like your shoes though, Like why would you put them shoes? Like just something not right. It's just the way you talk to people. I'd be like, hey, why you act like that? And what's crazy? Is they thinking the same thing? They're thinking the exact same thing about you. It's like, I mean, I get it, man. You know you do what you gotta do. You make it moves and like, I mean them the kind of

moves we trying to make too. But you always in Why you always in my space? Like why you so loud? Why like don't worry what you worried about me? For? Like while you always talking about Like why you always over here? I don't understand why you would choose that in the exact same scenario. That don't even make sense to me. Like y'all different, man, Like ah, just you messy, you saying the same thing about each other. You just

move different. But both of y'all know that both of y'all gotta watch your steps and mind your lips because if anybody get out of pocket, they're getting packed out. It's up. We're gonna slide like these smokes say, the homies gonna hydro plane. You know what I'm saying. This is China and the US hood politics, y'all. Hey, yo, welcome to hood politics this week, and special thanks to y'all who are in the cooler zone that you're helping

us get groceries. Now, as someone who said that, not someone being me, and I believe I said it last week that I just don't I don't really like gossip like that. You know, I don't follow Shade Room and TMZ and just like it's just that stuff makes me itchy, like it's too hard to keep up. Like own drama isn't entertaining to me as far as that type of drama. Now, obviously I watch dramas on television like Succession and such,

which was a phenomenal show. Anyway, for somebody who don't really enjoy spilled tea and gossip, I show do be in it. When it comes to countries and foreign relations, you know, we had secretary blinking. He he went out there right before juneteenth, because that's how I mark my calendars. So right before June teenth, he went out to China see if he could try to, like, you know, function with the homies over there. Now, have you ever seen a couple argue? You're witnessed it and was tempted to

choose a side. Sometimes some people be super out of pocket, like let's not let's not get it twisted, or are being emotionally manipulative or just not playing fair. After you go to enough therapy, especially couples therapy, you could spot the stuff so much easier because it's like, oh, yeah, I'll be doing that. Hey, you can't do that, home boy or girl. Listen you baiting that man? You know

what I'm saying. The more you see that stuff and to go through your own sort of therapy, the more that you know that, like people come with baggage, you feel me that there is a backstory. I remember watching my parents once. My dad is the more animated, kind of like base heavy demand, constrative, over talker, over explainer type person in a discussion, and my mom is the fallback, passive, aggressive, I'm gonna let you do your thing, but I'm just

gonna go ahead and make my points. And here you can hold that l type person, you know what I'm saying. So I was watching him go at it once when I was, you know, much younger. It was right before they was Finnah split, and in the scenario, I felt like my dad was trying to apologize. You know, you're trying to make something right in the way he apologizes

by not apologizing but just buying stuff. Anyway, I'm an adult now now I know that I would have warned him like future me would have went back to past past dad as an adult and been like, Dad, this is your son from the future and after being married as long as I'm married now, I don't think this is a good idea. But anyway, he did it, and I remember my mom clapping back in a way that was as teenage me, you know, preteen mesaw put myself in my dad shoes and it would have crushed me.

It would have really hurt my feelings. Now, remember I'm looking at this scenario from my own lens. I'm thinking about, you know, eighth grade dances. When it took me everything in my power to walk over to Candice to ask her to dance with me, and she said no and giggled. You know what I'm saying. So that rejection is still sitting in my bones, you feel me. So I'm watching my daddy get rejected at that moment, I'm like, damn man, mom,

cold like he trying. Once he left, you know, he stormed out the house in his way, you know, And that was probably one of their last arguments before they split. Anyway, he stormed out the house, and I looked at my mom and I was just like, dang, man, that was man, Mom, that was kind of mean. And she just says, Son, it's a lot you don't know now. Of course I didn't, you know. And my mama, the saint that she is, didn't want me think any different about my father, you know,

so she would never tell me. I would come to find out later, you know. There was backstory and stuff like that that like, is none of y'all's business right now. But the point is it wasn't that moment. It was that moment plus twenty years. But even before those twenty years, both of them have families of origin who watched they parents handle situations and brought their baggage to that and before them, they parents had parents and they coming from

this and couple couple that. This is a black couple. My daddy from the Jim Crow South, my mom from old school Chocolate City, DC. You know, they both from the projects. They both from the struggle. They both got all that institutional trauma, you know what I'm saying, sitting inside they bones, but also black excellence and trying to keep up a black family and also be in the swing generation. My parents were the generation that got their

kids out the projects. Like that was the generation for me. You don't see what I'm saying. And I saw it happen like we started off on the block and did somewhere else. You understand I'm saying. So that happened in my generation. So they're carrying all this stuff in there and then trying to hold down a marriage. You know. And my father Black Panther, Vietnam War VET. It's so much going into you know, he from a broken home. You know what I'm saying. My granddaddy, I don't know

my granddaddy. I don't know none of them. You know what I'm saying. I don't know nobody from his side of the family because my granddaddy was wild. You know what I'm saying. The point I'm trying to say is it's so much in that moment that if you don't understand how much it went into that moment, ain't no way in the world you could actually speak with any sort of authority about what happened right there. It's too much.

So if you think of foreign relations and the way for which we talk to other countries and deal with other countries, whether it's the UN, whether it's Russia, Ukraine, who taking sides with who? My homeboy, Steve Fie, he's a country songwriter. Believe it or not, I got friends that write country songs. Matter of fact, I shot out the o't me Chase Rice. Any of y'all listened to the country. We just became friends. Apparently he's a star. No idea either way. I taught him how to play dominoes.

That's quite a flex. Now he got this song. Steve Fie got this song that he wrote that was like in the divorce, who gets the church? And why this is so clever is because that was our story. To me, it was like once my parents split, I mean, we all like black folks, have church family, Like we grow up with the church folk. Those are our friends, those are our extended family. When he leaves, I mean, who

gets to come back like you do? He got to go find another church, you know what I'm saying, Like all of his own boys that they used to go fishing with and you know, and to hang out. And when he needed to motor lawn, you know, and borrow things, he borrowed it from the brothers at the church. You know what I'm saying, Like that that's gone now. So when couples split people or when couples is going through something,

you know, your friends take sides. But when you've been together for so long, you got the same friends, and then it get weird like who gets to hang out with who? And then once you choose sides, then the repercussions of that is now those other friends that was just friends. Would y'all stopped being friends because you chose

his side or her side? Now y'all don't kick it, And it's like it's gonna always be a probably get weird right this, Like I know, I say I don't like drama, but foreign relations be like that because remember nations have families of origin where they came out of, how they came to be, the types of wars, the types of institutional trauma and PTSD they have as an institution,

what makes them nervous? I mean, my god, like, does that not explain the nation of Israel, like Israel was birthed out of trauma like Israel as we know it. I mean, would you not leave Europe if you if you was to choose, you feel me? Like in any hint of someone saying you don't belong here, that's gonna

be triggering. And anybody who has gone to therapy over complex trauma who are survivors, y'all understand that very often abusers were victim of abuse, right, So I mean, are you following me here?

Speaker 2

Guys?

Speaker 1

I don't know what. I don't know how you make a nation go to therapy? You feel me? But I'll be that's what be happening. And if you Palestine or the region, you got your same triggers. This is the same triggers, like that region been conquered, but seventeen different. We've talked about that so many times. So when somebody knew coming in here talking about you belong here, it's like, fam fuck you and the boat you came on. You know what I'm saying, Like, there's no I don't want

to hear that. And not you, I know you, not the one talking about you know what I'm saying. You belong here, y'all left here, Brown came back Russian. I don't want to hear nothing you got to say, you feel me?

Speaker 2

So just backash.

Speaker 1

So now all these uh you know, spy balloons and Anthony blinking going over there, and Russia talking to Putin and and uh playing a role in Iran and uh not necessarily supporting Ukraine, like just all these things all kind of wrapped together. Plus the fact that Nancy Pelosi was just like, let me slide by their player and just pulled up the Taiwan like, and how they got so salty about that shooting shooting test missiles all to

the sky. This is it's some history here, y'all. And then it makes it even more funny because it's like, I mean, I know, all of my life, every time I open up the back of something, it's say, made in China. Get you know what I'm saying, it's baggage now blinking done, pulled up. But before I talk about the pull up. Let's take the clock back in time. I'm about to give y'all some history. Cue the history music. Now.

The Council on Foreign Relations has an incredible website with this really user friendly graphic that gives a pretty decent overview of all these touch points to where we just officially, like I said in the beginning, we just move different. And it's just every situation just don't sit right with each other even when we try to sit right. So obviously there's way more depth than what they gonna give

you and what I'm i will give you. You know, I'm thinking about building a bonus episode with the homie Mia who Mia over there at the It could happen here, pod. I don't know nobody that don't know A's and history better than better than her. So I'm like, let's I'm gonna try to have mea up on your and give y'all some more game. But let me walk you through it nice and dirty. You know what I'm saying. All Right,

So you got to start a start off. When China became the People's Republic of China, when it was established as like a like a like a nation, obviously China wanted the otherest civilizations on the planet, continuous civilizations on the planet, you know what I'm saying. But China as a modern nation state as we know it. October nine, right, the Chinese Communist Party, the leader Mao ze Dung like

he established the People's Republic of China in Beijing. Now this was after a peasant backed communists, like the peasants like you I remember, like you know, the Communists was for the people. You have said so at least at the time, that's the way it felt. Right now, this also started what we understand to be Taiwan. Okay, because I don't know if you notice, but Taiwan also say

it's the true China. Because once Mao Zeidung establishes the people of Republic of China in Beijing in October first, the Nationalist government of chang Kaishek and thousands of troops fled to Taiwan. Right now, they believe they are true China. Now this is the basis as to why China itself swear that Taiwan's not a thing. That's why China's position is that is that Taiwan's not a thing. You lost like y'all just we had a civil war and you lost. You just took your ball and went home. You know

what I'm saying. It would be like, you know, we had a civil war, which we did, and the Confederates lost, and then the Confederates still just go somewhere and say we also to the United States. And it's like, obviously that analogy is fraught with emotional positions, because you don't there's clearly a right side of history in the American Civil War. In this one. This is different. It's a little more complicated. Right. So anyway, and now watch this.

From day one, things get weird. Okay, Now I'm gonna read this sentence directly from them, right from the Council Foreign Relations, Shanging thousands of his troops flee to Taiwan, the United States, which backed the Nationalists against invading Japanese forces during World War Two. Right, so we we backed the nationalists because you know what I'm saying, we was beefing with Japan. Right, supports Shang's exiled Republic of China

government in Taipei. Right, setting the stage for several decades of limited US relationships relationships with maineland China. So basically, they had this civil war and we chose the side. You following me, we chose the side of the exile. So off the jump from jump China, like, uh right, it was already, it was already. It's all the way back in nineteen forty eight, so from day one, it was already weird right now. Granted again, we was over there because we had benness we was taking care of.

It was like, you're gonna help us, You gonna help us with Japan because you gotta remember, at the time, Japan was trying to be Japan was trying to be the Britain was trying to be the UK of Asia. They used to even say Asia four Asians, right, So Japan was trying to occupy the rest of Asia and basically beat the Britain up there. Right, So we found ourselves a nice little bedfellow in the Nationalists group of exiles. Right. We supported them because we was like, well they had

our back, We had Joe. You know what I'm saying, like it's all there say you know, it's all love. You know what I'm saying, Love is love, But like I mean, you know, no, our feelings like this ain't a diss on y'all. We just think you know they had our back. China was like, hey, every since that day, trying to quote a good kid mathter City, it's saying the tape recorder saying that he did it, but ever

since that day, I was looking at him different. So he was just it's like, look y'all already, y'all, don't sit right already that's day one, right, Fast forward one year, forward to nineteen fifty. Now, remember so the Communist party chairman Mao and them, the Mau Mau squad, you feel me? They the communists. So who's the big dog of all

the communists? You already know it? Soviets. Now the Korean warbags breaks out and the country, the island is split into two, North Korea and South Korea, and you know America and the Soviets decide to go fifty to fifty on Korea, right, and the Soviets obviously back to North Korea, which meant that are you following me? You're picking up what I'm throwing down. Guess who China backed? Look, it's always look, I'm telling you, they go break on opposite sides.

So they they backed the I mean it's North right, And the US is like wait, wait, wait, wait wait, wait, hold up, y'all can't just like y'all ganging up on the little homies. So if you go nah, wait no, no, no, no no. The US and the UN in South Korean troops approached the Chinese border and as many as four million people die in this three year conflict until the United Nations, China, and North Korea sign an armatist which is in nineteen fifty three, which is essentially a ceasefire.

You may remember one hundred episodes back when I told y'all the Korean War never really ended. This is what I'm talking about. Armatists isn't isn't a p street. It's not over. It's that is. It could go down at any moment. But the Korean War, the niggas was shooting there. We came to back the homies. You follow a beat

that's already there. Now. Nineteen fifty four, Now you got the first Taiwan Strait crisis, right, President Dwight Eisenhower, so he lifts the navy blockade of Taiwan in nineteen fifty three, which meant that Shanghai check could deploy thousands of troops to the islands to one of their islands in the

Taiwan straight right. So so since remember again, since we the big dogs, nobody got bigger guns than us, we kind of had a way of being able to be like, listen, since we provide au the heat and we the big dogs, we get to decide, like, yo, y'all can't just y'all, y'all listen, man, y'all can't just be beefing like this. Man, you can't just be putting putting military folk wherever you want to. So basically, Eisenhower says, okay, listen, we're gonna move.

We're gonna move our blockade out the way, or whatever happens happens. I can't be controlling y'all. What's happening right now? Right, So they move some soldiers over there into the Taiwan straight right in August eight, nineteen fifty four mainland China's People's Liberation Army, so that China's Army responds by shelling the shit out of them lands. They just start shooting. They're like, the hell you doing over here, cuz they

start lighting fools up. Finally, Washington size is mutual defense treaty with Taiwan's nationalists and in the spring of nineteen fifty five. Then the United States threatened follow me, the United States say this doc, We'll drop a nuke if y'all don't chill at that point, you know, when you start talking about nukes, you know, China wouldn't. China ain't want to smoke. But think about if this was a personal relationship. If you China, you like, why are you

always in our business? Now you're talking about nukes and shit, it's not even your You don't even go here. Ugh, you don't even go here. Right I'm talking to I'm talking to Taiwan. You gotta remember remember again, China don't see Taiwan as its own people. They're like, nigga, you're just you just lost. I don't even know how do you even have an army? That's China's position. Taiwan is like, no, I'm not living like this. We got our land. Just

let me do what I want to do. Then if I lost, Okay, I lost, you have lost your way. Y'all have mission drift. We the true story and like, you know, man whatever, DoD like, just let me live? Can I live? Damn? So again we threaten the nukes, right, and then China is like, all right, well, I guess we better negotiate, right, but they still claim in a limited victory over the Nationalist because they withdrew from the island. Right.

But this comes back up in nineteen fifty six and nineteen ninety six, right then the Tibetan uprising, right nine years after, the People's Republic of China asserts control over Tibet. Because remember China now is a is a world they you know, they creeping on a come up. They trying to be an imperialistic power too, so they claimed Tibet, right, And then there's a widespread uprising that occurs out there, and thousands die in the ensuing crackdown of the Chinese forces.

The Dalai Lama flees to India, and then the United States watch this keeps happening, joins the United Nations and condemning Beijing about their human rights abuses against Tibet. Right, and then the CIA helps arm Tibetan resistance in the beginning of the nineteen fifties, y'all, following what's happening right now, we just keep falling. Listen, listen again, I'm gonna tell the story again. China doing what everybody doing you trying to spread your wings. You got a civil war, yo,

side one. Now it was time to expand the empire. They like Tibet, right, America, What did we do? Philippines? Uh, Puerto Rico, Guam? What like, what are you doing? I'm just trying to function. So one would think we would understand each other. China did horrible, gross crimes against humanity, niggas, so did we horrible crimes against humanity. We just it's like to think that I should don't stink, right, because when it comes to somebody else shit, we able to

see what's going on. So we was looking at what was happening at Tibet, and we was like, damn, there's some bullshit. Y'all just can't be doing that. What the hell? Cause like you just gonna you just gonna do that. And clearly China is like, we might be wrong, but you ain't the one to tell us. But again it happens. So we back to bet right you back at Taiwan. Now you're back at Tibet. Nineteen sixty four, China tests

they first atomic bomb. Now rying to like, okay, listen, I realized why I didn't negotiate with y'all was because y'all had nukes, right, They was like, oh, that sounded like we should get nukes. Yeah, we should get nukes. They gonna get themselves some nukes. And the test comes amid. You gotta remember we already having rising tensions because guess what's about to happen, the Vietnam War, and guess who

sides each of us chose Nigga. Now nineteen sixty nine, it get even more crazy because China creeping on the come up. But you got to remember, the Soviet Union is the boss of all the communists. But now there's differences over security and ideology and developments in the Sino Soviet relations because you have to remember, the Soviet Union ain't want a modernize. They wasn't trying to get into this modern world. They think, they think all y'all modern

folk crazy. China was ready for their great leap forward. This is the time when China went from the stereotypical Saturday morning Sunday morning, you know, Kung fu movies China too, Nigga. They make everything that's in your house China. So they move forward. They like, listen, we used to think we

ain't really like Washington. Now it's like nigga, Look, apparently one like I thought we was cool, you know what I'm saying, Like comrades in the struggle, But apparently nigga like, look, okay, y'all want to keep lord, you know, yoll surf them and grow abortion and shit, then y'all gonna do that. Me, I'm gonna bill rockets, you know what I'm saying. It's like, I'm cool with y'all. Man, we thought y'all was cool. If y'all gonna be the problem, if you want to smoke,

anybody can get it. Anybody can get it. That's where trying to add Now, at least at this moment. Now, I'm gonna go ahead and pause here before I finish the rest of this thing, because this shit is getting really long. So we're gonna pause here at them developing nukes and questioning if they feel some type of way about the Soviets. And next week we're gonna continue this story, and we're gonna get us all the way from that

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you some cold brew, gonna get you some coffee. Yeah, Like, I can't believe, I ain't think of this still right now, y'all, y'all, This thing right here was recorded by Me Propaganda and East Lows, boil Heights, Los Angeles, California. This thing was mixed, edited, mastered, and scored by the one and only Matt Awsowski. Y'all check out this fool's music. I mean it's incredible. Executive

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