The DOJ Curbed Google So Hard

like curb your enthusiasm. It's probably it. I don't know if there's anything more painful, because most of the time for you to get curved, it's usually because you are enthusiastic. A lot of times is when you're super confident in the movie You're finna make now. I can't speak for every young man who finally hits his awakening of the

sex that he's attracted to. And I know mine when I was like, wait a minute, I like girls, when you have to start building up the bravery to actually admit it or maybe ask this girl to dance or sit by her, or maybe even possibly get a little kiss on the cheek, you know, just you know, it was little boys, you're not really ready for like full

intercourse because we're still children. I remember like rehearsing, and I have a sister that's six years older than me, So I could ask her like how do I say this? You know, what outfits should I wear? Like you know? And she was like down to make her little brother, like you know, she wanted a little brother to be flying. So I could ask her and come up with lines and like how do I approach? What do I say?

Where do I stand? Like how do I I'm nervous, I'm scared off for her to offer this little girl to giggle and run to her friends and go, eh, he not even fine, just destroy. It took me three weeks to get the courage to say something to her, just with this girl, to be like like that's the child.

Which I don't know if it's everybody's story, but you have to understand like me, who I went to schools in neighborhoods that were so diverse, where there was just as many Filipino and Latino and you know, Chinese, there was such as there was so many other communities that were at the spaces I was in. Like again, I read the demographics. Most of y'all are from Cali that

listen to this from the San Gabril Valley. Who I was born in South Central I say it all the time, but I grew up in San Gavel Valley and then I went to high school in the Inland Empire, and like so you experienced so many cultures. You're exposed to so many types of girls where black dude is just not they tight. This is way too long of an intro Anyway, The point I'm trying to make is it really hurts to get curved, especially when you're really confident.

And guess what Google got curved politics, y'all? All right, before I go into it, but look at like nerds. Bull look is like this. Bull look is like this. It look is like this, But look at like this. All right, Well, the darkest of holidays has hit. It is the one year anniversary of the attack from Hamas on Israel, which, in retaliation to such attack, unleashed the Kraken towards all of Gaza and extending Palestinian areas. Way

too many people died. There was a memorial held in Israel where they played that last song before at that, you know, because the attack happened like one of the parts happened during a music festival and the last song that was being played before the attack happened and hostages were taken and people were killed, they played that song to mark, you know, the one year anniversary of a horrible,

horrible situation. And from the Israeli perspective, the city is torn because you can't argue that that wasn't you know, one of the orb if not the greatest terrorist attack that they've experienced. And I think, like, I'm not adding snark to this because it's like, yeah, I mean like I'm just trying to be real about it. I think,

how do I say this? Since they've been in their mind the little Engine that could the whole time, and everybody was against them, they felt like their only way to be safe is to be the aggressor, and they've continued to be the aggressor because the feel like everybody's being aggressed to them. So there's a kinship to the idea that America has of itself too, you know, where we say if you go into war, you're going overseas,

like the attack is over there. Everybody's trying to come to get us, But don't nobody want to mess with us because they know won't play around it only happened once, and that was a pearl harbor. We blew up Pole Islands after that. So they carried in their psyche that type of sort of same vibe. But that is not to diminish the atrocities that they feel in their heart and the things that had happened, So you mark it right.

On the other hand, it also marks the beginning of the absolute decimation of Gaza, with eleven thousand people dead and just a commpletely intenable living situation that has now spread. Everybody's fear has spread to Lebanon and Yemen, and now big dog Iran has jumped in. It was what everybody that works in peacemaking was hoping wouldn't happen, that like we would get to a ceasefire, to state solution, which

clearly is the only option. I just don't understand how anybody could think any other way that like this is really the only option. But with that being said, all the blood, all carnage, all the like, let's make this happen. Gaza could not have a sort of moment to even breathe to mark the anniversary of this because it's leveled. I mean, there's like where you know they still running for cover. They and is well not even letting it. They barely letting aid in, Like we got to fight

to let aid in. And then with all the carnage and it be coming into a regional war, there's a ceasefire deal on the table, and then Yahoo won't accept it, and you still ain't got the hostages. All that blood and you still ain't got the hostages. So Israel as a nation is torn because they're like, fam, uh, can we keep our eyes on the prize here? I just we just want our loved ones back. What is you? And ask you to show the whole like I ain't ask you to blow the whole city up. Well it's

just one of our hostages, But what is you? And then there's the other half that's like, no, we can't letting people live. And then there's the really really small deck sect of hyper conservative religious folk within the Israeli world that are like, well it's how we bring the Messiah. We gotta control this region or the Messiah ain't coming, so like no, they gotta go. So it's all that

going on all in one place. The JV team had their debate switching gears here the my dad can beat up your dad debate because who really cared what the vice president they because the vice president will really do nothing. Now that being said, it was more substantive than any of us would have thought. And it's one of those things where it's like, be careful what you asked for. Y'all asked for civility and substance. What you didn't ask for was truth. My niggad the Trump ticket is getting

his money's worth. He is jd. Vance understood the assignment. The assignment was to sanitize everything that Trump stands for, and even to the point of like almost like the opposite where it's like, now, we ain't say that. And then when the mic slipped up and said, well you weren't supposed to lie fact check us a you revealed your cards, big dog. But JD. Vance absolutely one hundred percent understood the assignment, and you cannot take that from him.

He was slick, he was likable, and he did didn't go on the full attack. They did the whole I agree with what we're supposed to be doing heat and he took all the smart Now, don't get me wrong, I personally like dudes like that will pulse me. That are too polished in every like that. I'm like, you're clearly hiding something. Anyway, everything was going great until this man could not answer the January sixth question, Now, did

Trump lose the election? Elect question? Now, the thing is, that's in some senses it's a gotcha question because we all know that man can't answer that question. Like what y'all expect this man to say? Yeah, now, Trump tripping on that one, but we're gonna win this one though. He can't say. He can't do that. Y'all know he can't do that. That man can't get up there and tell the truth, like, boo, you better learn how to lie like me. You can't be telling the truth of

these people. You got a lie. That be the end of his job. Get Trump lose a twenty twenty election, like Nigga dues like, you can't say that. You gotta be like, look, dude, we're looking forward. But didn't y'all, and then proceeded to talk backwards. Boy, I tell you, man, I love it here. All right, let's get back to

it like this. All right. So last year we did an episode that was called Get Your Weight Up, and I taught y'all about antitrust and monopolies, and the situation Google was facing and it was over search engines and ads, showing how this is just a brand new world where what Google is facing, especially when it comes to like search engines. You had suit being brought to them by like you know bing and like ass jeeves. That was like,

you're creating a monopoly. I could even giggle with the idea of like being because it's like, bro, no one uses bing. Google's a verb like it's a company, but it's also a verb you google something. They're like, you're a monopoly. They're like, listen, I'm not like Bing is not my competition. Microsoft, ain't my competition. Full Chat, GBT is TikTok Amazon, I am not competing with you other browsers and search engines. Y'all lave y'all need to get

y'all weight up. And the argument was in this antitrust case, which I will back up and explain the term monopoly or antitrust and then give you a context. So their argument was, you say, we're cornering the market, We're making it impossible. But y'all could just get y'all weight up. I don't know why you mad at us for making

a superior product. Now, the last time you googled something, I'm pretty sure you got frustrated because Google's trying to do the AI thing again to keep up with that at GBT, and so the searches have been I've had to like retype in what I'm looking for multiple times because I'm like, this used to be super easy. So, in my anecdotal opinion, it's gotten worse as they've tried to bring it AI. But the point is the case was do you have a monopoly on search and ads?

And when we talked about it at first it was being brought to the Department of Justice. Well they have decided, yes, you have a monopoly. It's not fair, and you need to break it up. Break it up, break it up, break it up, break it up, break it up, break it up, break it up. Yeah, y'all ratchet, y'all know that's all y'all got to break up your company. Now. The reason why this was so big obviously because Google's big, but it's because it harkens back to one that happened

in nineteen ninety eight Microsoft. So here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna explain to you what a monopoly is, and if you've ever sold drugs, you already know, which means that we have to talk about capitalism and the version of capitalism that America says they love and believe in. How you protect that imaginary version of capitalism, Why an antitrust is what it is, and why the government steps in, what happened with Microsoft and how that informed this Google decision,

and then what Google's gonna have to do? All right, but I swear to you, just like the very foundational truth, the axiom of truth that this show is, you already know this stuff, all right. Next, Okay, So capitalism, oftentimes we have because we live in the world we live in, we have conflated the idea of capitalism with just economics that if you sell something, it's capitalism. You have to remember,

capitalism as a concept was invented. Now. The idea of trading some sort of commerce for goods and services is as old as puka shells, is as old as when we moved from just bartering to Yeah, there is currency and the currency and I'm giving you this currency, and you're going to return back to me a good in service. The institution that we talk about that includes a supply chain where the product is being created in multiple different

factories that's being cobbled together into one piece. The system that says each of these people that work in these factories is indust your revolution type situation that puts like if you're going to take a pencil, the eraser tip is made somewhere else, but that place is really only getting raw materials from another place, and those raw materials are being sent there, and then the people carrying that stuff in, the people that transfer it in the truck

is a whole other company who brings this raw materials to this place, and then that place has to buy the equipment from a whole other company who makes the equipment for you to process this thing to make the eraser tip. But still, if you're the pencil company, you have a contract with them with a wood company, who's got a contract with a timber company who's got a

contract with a lad company or a graphite company. You just the people that put it all together, and then it's a whole other marketing team that just was hired by the brand name of the pencil to put it

all in one place. And then you got to hire a shopify right, a three pl and all of these people have employees, and the price of that pencil is cobbled together in the way that makes sure, or supposed to make sure that everybody, every company that was involved in this, all gotta pay their employees, bring that all together, get it on the shelf, and then they charge you a dollar ninety nine per pencil. Now, if you're making one million pencils, it may not have cost you the

company they selling it for a dollar ninety nine. It cost the company, I don't know, hopefully if they're doing it right, two cents. So the cost of the pencil. You hear, all them companies all had to make their money. But if you make enough of them, you can lower the cost that it takes to make the pencil so that when it gets to the consumer, you only paying two dollars, and that two dollars, you know, multiplied by one hundred thousand consumers. It's supposed to be able to

make sure that everybody's happy and everybody wins. Now, the capitalism that we exist in is to say, okay, best product at the best price wins. So if somebody got a better pencil and they only charging a dollar fifty the idea is, damn, you made it cheaper and better, so everybody's gonna buy that. So then what do you do? You have to figure out how to make your pencil

better and cheaper. Hopefully you could charge a dollar twenty five right all the way down to where get this the term of elasticity, to where the product is cheap enough to make to where everybody makes money. There's a number. Now you have to enter the concept of branding. Okay, I work. I'm a brand ambassador for a company called mer Right, y'all know the people that make my mugs and the poor Gami's all the coffee stuff is this

company called mer Now. Meer got a lot of clients too, and Mirr was telling us, telling me about one of the clients for which I will not name names. And because I ain't trying to worry, I ain't trying to mess up my money. This company is able to sell things at an absurd price point. But we looking at it. But my man and mir was looking at it and was like, Okay, you're sourcing. There's no way in the world you're sourcing at a different place than everybody else's,

or you're sourcing at the same place. And he was like and the owner or the buyer was like, yeah, yeah, source is the same place as as our competition. They charged three ninety nine, we charge eight ninety nine. It's called branding. So just the power of the branding, the fact that your name is on it. Let me give y'all a little game about Kirkland and Costco brand. Now Costco ain't paying me for this, but I wish they was the Kirkland brand, liquor, the tequila, the whiskey, all

that that they got in there. It's they bought a recipe from I believe it's ego rare like Makers Mark. I believe they're whiskey is makers Mark. They just bought a recipe from them and just white labeled it. It's actually very it's very good whiskey. It's just named Kirklind brilliant. So if you smart, rather than buying the label name,

you getting the same product. It's just cheaper. So now you take when you talk about a national economy, you take all the pieces that we're talking about, if we're talking about again capitalism, you take every person that is on all them jobs, how much money they make, how much money is coming into the company. How much money that company is spending, how much money the people that work at that company are spending right the products for which they buy, how much then products cost to make,

and how much profit those products produce. How much of that money is going out to other countries. How much of that money is coming back into the consumers pockets. Because once the company makes money, the people that work at that company all get paid, and then they buy

other products, which brings the money back. So you take the totality of all that, the combination of all those factors all trying to get you to spend your dollar with them, them competing with each Other's called free market capitalism. All of that is capitalism. And what's capitalism's goal is, if you haven't figured this out yet, the greatest amount of profit for the least amount of cost. Now, how do you pull that off? If that is the goal

of capitalism, will you cut costs? Where do you cut costs? Most of the time, your highest cost is your employees. It's payroll. That's your highest cost. So you pay your workers at least as possible. Why did America becomes up a superstar, so a superpower so early? Well, they didn't pay they workers at all. It was called slavery. You was only paying for the raw materials. You only had to pay for the land. You had to pay for the workers. Of course, you're gonna get rich by no

stretch of the imagination. Is the goal of capitalism itself human flourishing. Now that might be the person that functions within the system. You might want to approach this in a way that centers humanity, in the sense that like, you're paying your workers well, you're ethically sourcing, so that means you're setting a price point that allows for you to pay workers well, to treat the environment well. You

have things like certified b corps. At some point, I'm bringing Ma Hoomie brian On here to talk about what it means to be an ethical capitalistic company, which some would argue is impossible. I might agree with you, but again, like I say all the time, you know, she might as well swim. Be as truthful as possible. Like I said, we're all on a big corporation. This is iHeart media. Like, it's not be delusional, you know what I'm saying. Corporation guys,

So we're not delusional. But there's a way to be as ethical as you possibly can. But that's not the goal of capitalism. That might be the goal of the person. There might be a advancement of a society to where, yeah, well multiple people now have jobs now, which means like the way of life is just better across the board

for everybody, because now everybody's employed. But one would argue that, like we weren't starving before we had jobs, Like before there was a factory, before you bought your food at a grocery store, you just grew your own every For most of human history, people just had like small gardens like where you just and you just traded back and forth where it's like, okay, we grow squashed. Well, I'm gonna walk cross the street, go visit another family over

there in that other village. I know they grow spinach. Well you know what I'm saying. I'm bring them some squash. They bring me some spinaches. It's fine, Like we all we were all right before we had to like work for like cotton pieces of dead men to turn in for our waters, to work in our houses. Because somebody bought the lake and owns the clouds. I don't know if you notice you can own the clouds. You can own the land rights and all of the sky and

atmosphere above it. Because capitalism is crazy right now. Anyway, I haven't even talked about antitrust yet. This is absurd. So all that to say, in our system, at least in America, we tried to set up this situation to say that if we keep this institution pure enough, it will police itself. And how you do that because people really make their decisions by they purchases. People buy what they want. And if you charge too much but your brand is trash and we don't believe you, people won't

stop buying it. That's a price elasticity. What's the highest you could charge before people are going to be like, all right, you don't lost your mind. This brand ain't worth it, which is how you gain the system. You know what I'm saying. It's like, you make your brand worth it, but you charge as high as you can, not as cheap as you can. You take somebody like arizona Ic they charge as little as they can. That's their brand. Though for them it worked. But anyway, we

we as in the Royal weed, not me. But the concept is you need to have competition in the market. You can't just be the only person selling a thing. You can't. You can defeature competitors by having a better product at a better price point, but you can't just box them out because when you box them out, when you're the only option, there is no reason for you to not price gouge, and the quality of your product doesn't have to be great because you the only people.

That's what I mean by drug dealer. You trying to be the only connect. If you the only connect, you've charged the people whatever you won't they hooked on the product. You could step on your product if you want too, because what they gonna do where you go go? I'm your only option. I just feel like that with gas prices because I'm like, what am I gonna do? There's no difference to me between mobile and arco. I still have to go to the thing or I don't go

anywhere like I I now. As a side note, I went to Rhymefest this past weekend at the Coliseum and I took the train and I was like, no native, nobody I know takes trains because it just don't go enough places. But this time it was like I didn't have to switch once and I was like, bro, why don't every time I take the train, every time I take the metro in La, I'll be like, why don't I do this? So, yeah, maybe there is an alternative anyway. So, being mad over gas prices, I'm like, what do what?

You gonna not go fill up your tank? What you're gonna You're gonna not go to work? Like I felt so hopeless. I was like, this is a monopoly, you monopolize. So the idea was in the anti trust law. I don't know why they call it that, they just do. Antitrust law is saying we do not believe in the American economics system that it is legal or even in the spirit of who we are as a nation, that any one company should have a have a monopoly over

a business. There needs to be competition, meaning there needs to be other companies that are pushing you, because what that does for the consumer is it means we're getting the best products because y'all are fighting against each other for our dollars. They're not concerned with just one company success. We're talking overall success of the entire country. Because they looking at it again as the economy as capitalism. Capital c not just are you doing all right? We mean

the whole country. So the whole country gotta win, which means that I don't really care if your one company is doing I we need a whole thing to work. In theory, because you could go get the off brand stuff. You grew up like us. Oh man, there was cheerios, and then there was multo meal. There was tasty os. You feel me, I was like them is nasty. I used to get so mad when my mom brought that off brand cereal. I wanted the name brand cereal was cheaper,

but it but that ain't like that ain't work. Now what that meant was that made cheerios because my mom sometimes was like, I ain't buying the cheerios. It costs too much. So that means the cheerios because there's such thing as multi meal and tasteios, fruit rings, not fruit loops, because those things existed. That meant that, like yo, cheerios, gotta work harder to make sure that they products they bomb and at the price point is something that we

willing to pay. That's why there's one hundred different car companies while they fighting for our attention. Why everybody racing to get an electric car like thing with Tesla's they was just there first. Well, actually Saturn was there first. You should see a documentary called Who Killed the Electric Car? Anyway, but they not the only ones. They couldn't. They couldn't get to electric car and shut the door. There's companies like Rivian who they trucks are amazing, you know, But

there's there's other companies. There are other people making electric cars. It's so it's like, yo, get your weight up, like, do something great now. It could become a monopoly if they do this, they take all the road mapping that they've done with their self driving, get it perfect, and then make sure every a new electric car has to buy their software for the road mapping of self driving.

Like if every new electric car had Tesla's software in there from for their self driving cars, which right now would be a disaster. But if they continue to develop what they got and then they box out everybody else, it wouldn't matter if it's a disaster or not, because every car comes equipped with their software. That would be a monopoly, to which they could argue, I mean, you're welcome to uninstall it and put your own one in there. Do you know how to uninstall software on your car?

Are you going to google it? Think about the dial up modem, sounds, your aim user name. We all got sidekicks, but I don't even know if we got sidekick It was in pagers there. You know what I'm saying, you about to have a sidekick, and boyd, the early Internet feels like Caveman energy. So Microsoft, led by Bill Gates, was young, scrappy startup. You know, you got to remember, like at this point McIntosh. Those was just the computers

in the school lab. Like when you went to the computer lab at school, there was these funny look at things that we just had to learn when we did our typing classes. You know, you just did it on that. So Microsoft at the time was developing Windows, right, so Windows Night, you know, Windows ninety five and that's that, which was the operating system, which you guys know already.

And then Microsoft Office so spread you know, PowerPoint, Microsoft Word and everything that comes just microsoftic like just mic it's Windows, like it's Microsoft. What they started doing because Bill Gates ain't dumb, is he was taken over while while while Apple and them was working towards school and fun and stuff like that, Microsoft was taken over the corporate world and every company, every you know work computer

was a Windows and Microsoft Office. And then eventually once we hit Windows ninety five, you know that whole like you know the the Apple like you know sessions where they launched new products, like Windows invented that, Like that was Microsoft, Like it was just goofy. Even the user video, the training video for how to use Microsoft Office and Windows ninety five had, believe it or not, actors from

Friends from the show Friends was on it. Jay Leno did the monologue like it was the biggest thing in the world because it was just change. You gotta remember, this is where tech was. And what else that they did that was amazing was if you bought a laptop, you gotta remember there was a million different types of laptops. You remember HP, you remember Acer, You could get any type of just like before the iPod there was zooms, Like there was a million different other products. And then

somebody takes over and just wins. The thing. What Microsoft did was they cut a deal with PC and laptop companies and was like, yo, so let us be your default operating system. So if anybody wants to use another operating system an OS, like a Macintosh, you got to take all that stuff off and put a new one in. Now, Macintos was smart enough to say, no, our operating system works on our products only, but set that to a side right now. Microsoft was like, cool, y'all can have

your own little weird egg shape computers. We will take over every other computer on Earth. And that's kind of what they did. They just cut a deal. And it was just like yeah, dude, like, yo, if you're selling a laptop, you're selling a desktop. It's got Microsoft operating system already installed. So we already got a deal. So we didn't even got to sell it to the consumers. It's already sold to the manufacturer. Kind of brilliant. I mean,

why wouldn't you do that. Now, while this is happening, something else was being invented, a little thing called the World Wide Web, The Internet was being made around this time. Sorry about that. Next. Okay, so now that the Internet's being made, you know you gotta buy your modems. What nobody thought about, because you have to remember nobody knew what the Internet was, is you have to have a way to get on there. Browser. No, you need a browser. It's so stupid, like it's so stupid. I have to

point that out right. And then because there was no separate apps for your emails or for there was no apps. The apps were Microsoft. You need a browser to get on the Internet. The browser, there was a lot of different types. There's Navigator, there was Netscape, and at the time, that's all the Netscape made. They were the only browsers. I mean, it was fine, Like what else did we know you got on the Internet with on a Netscape browser? But your little AOL disc, which we're gonna talk about

in a second bunch. Your little Aol disc you popped it in, you clicked the disc and then it would throw the netscate like you just that was the only how you opened the Internet was the browser. Of course, now we you know we got Chrome, Firefox, Safari, like we got those things. But you remember, like we didn't none of those things. They we didn't know what those things meant. Like one of those things existed. Netscape was how you got to the internet. Bill Gates ain't stupid.

He was like, Yo, this the future. We need a hold up, we need a browser. His browser was called Internet Explorer. That's how you got on the Internet. His browser was Trash right, because they was too busy making too many different things. They was making laptopser was making Office, they was making Windows. It was making all these different things that they didn't really make browsers. But he's not stupid. He knew that this was the future. So the browser

got better and better and better. And then he realized, like, wait a minute, I have a million vendors I work with. Every laptop already has my product in it. Stupid, Why don't I bundle Internet Explorer with it? A matter of fact, I'll throw it in an exploor free. It just comes with It comes with Microsoft, it comes with Windows. Windows is already on every laptop. I'll just it's so stupid, like, duh, I don't even have to sell it. I'm already nobody.

Can you name another word processing? What's the mac with numbers? Adobe pages? I'm saying, even now, we don't use it. Maybe you write in Google Docs, which we're gonna get to later, but nobody writes it like it's it's you use word almost two decades right, like you? What else is there? So they were like, duh, let's just add our product. Let's just add Explorer to every laptop. Obviously, netscapes like, well, wait a damn minute, bro, are you serious?

So you're just gonna sell the product for free? Well, like I mean there's nothing, Well I mean what cash? You're already on every laptop like this is They were like, you're breaking antitrust laws. So they wrote a letter to Department of Justice like yo, fam, I can't like, can't nobody compete with this? This ain't right? Two hundred pays letter.

Justice Department was like, huh, you might be onto something because like you're like this is what seems to us, like this is anti competition, Like you just boxed everybody out, like you just gave everybody the product for freeze, gave everybody to wait free. Somebody come in your hood and just passing out weed for free. It's like, well, how can I run a business? Like I don't understand? Like if if every car come through your neighborhood has already got a vapor in it, Like well, I mean what

I'm supposed to do? Why you think the gas company so mad or why you think these oil companies so mad about electric cars? Cause it's like, oh, nigga, don't need you no more? Like wait a minute, this is leading us to obsolescence. But they're but but what's specifically about an anti trust is or this monopoly is like this is the same product, and you guys are like this is David and Goliath out this mug like you already like there's no I can't compat with this. This

is like there is no competition. I don't want to get into the like operating system business like we make an Internet browser and you're just giving yours away for free and even if people don't want it, ah, which is where we get what has to do with Google even if people don't want it. It just comes with the lap. So of course, like just the psychology of it is like, well, this is the one that come with it. So like why would I go out of my way unless I'm a tech geek, why would I

go out of my way? That's just it come with it. We don't know enough about the Internet to have a preference about it. We don't know about incognito like that stuff don't exist no more or yet, So what difference does it make? All right, let's Internet Explorer. And it made sense to us because it was like or to the it made sense to the consumer because it's like, well, it's made from the same company that when I open

the laptop, that's how it runs. They was like, yo, this is unjust like this ain't they can do whatever they want. And I remember remember the browser was trashed like it wasn't it wasn't that good of a browser, like it just like what do you? I don't know what I can I mean, And they had no incentive on making it better per se, because they don't already sold the product completely. They didn't already made day money off off windows and off office. So there's no like

you've cornered the market. There's no there's there's you, no one can compete with you. So they brought that case to the Department of Justice. Netscape did so Netscape bring brings brings a case to the Department of Justice. They was like just like I just explained, like yo, this is a monopoly dog, Like there's nothing we could do about it. Like I mean, what are we gonna do? It's already on your laptop. I bet you open your door, you get a new computer today, bet you it's already there.

Like how do I compete with that? Like that's not what am I supposed to do? They bring in Microsoft to be like okay, well and this is like legendary, Like so Bill Gates and them and Microsoft come in and Microsoft was just like okay, that's funny. Wait what Wait are y'all serious? Old up this There's no way in the world you're serious right now? What did you What you're saying is absolutely ridiculous. Let me get this straight. Wait, hold on, hold on, hold hold on, let me get

this straight. We made a product, we made smart business moves, We used our connections, we developed a new product, we took our own product, bundled it with our other own product, and use the connections that we took years to develop. And you saying that's a problem. What you mean, like, what is the problem? You can't possibly be or you're so we're smart, you're punishing me for beists. What are you talking to You're saying this is anti capitalists. I

don't understand. So should our products up? Should we not try what you want us to? Not make money? What are you talking about? This is absurd? Fuck you mean we made a product that we hustled. I don't understand. Tell them fools to get their weight up. Ain't nothing stopping you from finding a computer. You could you could approach them with the same contract we approached them with. Get your weight up. I don't understand we approached these

these people, We approached these manufacturers. They could have said no. They said, yes, what do you want me to do? You want me to tell the consumers don't buy our product? What are you talking about? Absolutely ridiculous, was Microsoft's argument. The problem was they just walked in, super smug and super arrogant, and they were just like I'm saying, like we smarter than everyone It was our faul, we're smarter than everybody else. Apartment just ain't like that. They ain't

like your little attitude. They asked him very very direct

questions like, yo, do you remember this email? They pulling up emails where them Foods was talking this is the first time that was like a part of like because remember emails just now were born, pulling up emails where they were like knife the Baby like talking about like really, we're trying to kill Netscape, like that's our goal, Like we're actually trying to get like just cutthroat like Silicon Valley like og Like no, we're actually trying to kill

kill it. They was like, yo, you remember this email. He was like no, like you don't remember the one you just replied. He's like no, I remember it. It was just a jerk about it. Like they were like, hey, did you have any concern about any other companies? He was like what, I don't understand the question. It was like what what don't you understand? He's like, what do you mean by concern? I don't know what you mean by that? And they were like do you know what

concern means? Like, I know what it means. I don't know what you mean by that. It was like, sir, deep, okay, just this like smug, I'm smarter than you, I'm ten steps ahead of you. Just it just turned everybody out, but they're Ultimately their point was, Okay, dude, you can't punish us because their product sucks. Like that can't be that can't possibly be our fault. We're good at business. This is what happened. Department of Justice was like, no,

that's a monopoly. Y'all got to break this company up because the straw that broke the camera back was carrying office and windows with explorer. That's the part that did it. Because it's like you've made now nobody has any other options. That's the same example I was given with Tesla, because the point is, on general principle, consumers are supposed to have options, And the argument is having options keeps everybody in check, right, because if you have options, that's going

to force you to make the better product. And if you baking the better product, that make all of America look good, consumers are happy, money's flowing, right, That's the argument. And again using the Tesla as an example, like I just said, right now, then I just say that I'm sorry, I'm just talking if every electric car in the future, if you want to do self driving mode, you have

to use this because it's the default setting. And this gives Tesla no incentive to like they could charge every car company whatever they want, because who else you're gonna go to, which means that that is going to raise the prices for all of our cars, which means it's going to rate the price for chips and all this good stuff. You're just like, there's no like, this doesn't help nobody. This just makes you by yourself rich and all of us got to suffer by it. So that's

the theory. Nobody's happy with that except for y'all, and we just decided as a nation back in the seventeen hundreds that we wasn't gonna be like that in theory. Now, what they told them that they had to do was break the company up. You have to put Windows in one place as one company in office as another company. Is that how you understand Microsoft? Of course not, because that didn't happen. Essentially, what they did was just they paid the fines, they did what they had to do,

and then they just promised to not be jerks. This really really ain't. Nothing happened. So ultimately nothing changed. Netscape ended up selling to AOL. Microsoft just had this ruling stand that they were operating as a monopoly. But since God is good and just when last time you opened an Internet Explorer browser. Now, this is what the Department of Justice was considering when they looked at this Google case. Now let's talk about specifically the ruling. Now, remember Google,

the company is called alphabet for whatever reason. The ruling was that they illegally monopolized the search engine market. Now and here here's how they did it. Now, well, they did it the same way Microsoft did it. In the sense that you just if you're a software company, duh make deals with hardware companies. So what Google did was like I don't care if you using Chrome. You could if even if you use Safari, whatever phone you got, when you open it, make a deal with us where

you automatically your search engine goes to Google. When the last time you said I'm gonna bing something, I'm gonna ask Jeeves something, No, you google it. So they made deals with phonemakers and other hardware folks to be like, look, just let us be your default browser. Now you all know you could go into your phone, you could go into your settings and say like I want this other thing to be the default. But who's gonna do that?

Some people do, like some of y'all folks who just are like anti iPhone because you believe in freedom, you want to Android is just another company. Like I don't understand how y'all don't understand, But your belief is you want to be able to customize it in the way that you want to customize it, because app will tell you what to do. And one of the things that Apple tell you to do is like it's automatically gonna

go to a Google. Now with that being automatically your search engine in them gathering a trillion kajillion mega coad billion probably flowbally fillion megabits of information on us. They

can sell AD spaces. So if you are a person like me who make they live in online, I mean you have to you have to use the Google market, you have to use their ad spaces, you have to do search engine optimization, you have to be able to show up in their AD revenue space because that's where everybody at Why the hell would you buy an ad at bing? What is that gonna do for you? And if and since they're the only people in town, they're the only people that really makes sense to spend your

money on, they could charge you whatever they want. Let me tell you why terraform cobrew wasn't on Amazon because I would lose two dollars per can, like I would you like I would be paying them like there's no But at the same time, terraform cobrew out of money. If you went to the website, it ain't no coffee there because I'm out of money. You uner see what I'm saying, Like they make it where I mean, what are your other options? That's that phrase? Like what's my

other option? That is a monopoly. Now, what Google argued was the same thing and Microsoft argued, which was like, fam, I'm sorry for being good at my business, but people can do whatever they want. We just happened to try to give people an offer they came to use. Now, what was interesting this time was the Supreme Court brought up not just x's and o's. It wasn't just business and like nerdery around the law. They brought up psychology.

And it's this concept called the psychology of the default. No, no, no, let me say it right, the power of default. Now, you and I I don't even have to explain that. You understand when something is just your default setting. You just after a while, because something just becomes so normal you don't even think about that there are other alternatives, like you'd have to go out of your way to do that. That's the default. And what they were arguing is that is proof of a monopoly. In our brains.

Google's a verb despite the quality of Google, because you probably experienced the same thing I'm experiencing when you try to google something. It's like because of AAI thing, I'm like, y'all, your product's getting worse. Now, that's probably because we're old and we're not searching on TikTok, which is where the

rest of the people search, which was Google's defense. Google's like, I'm not worried about Netscape or ask Jeeves, I'm worried about TikTok, Like that's a search engine, and they're like, fam, no, it's not. What are you talking about. The psychology or the power of the default is when your brand is so strong that you just don't think of you don't even think. Of course there's alternatives, you don't even think of it, which is like a new strategy to argue

that somebody has a monopoly. So what's the solution. The solution is to break up the company. That's that's that's usually what it means. Now, Like I told you before, what happened with Microsoft was basically like they were supposed to split up Microsoft Office from from Windows. So that's that was the plan for Google. It's like you, I remember,

this is an alphabet's a two trillion dollar company. So one of the suggestion was like divest divesting the Android operating system was like the most frequently discussed option by the Justice Department's attorney, and then some were suggesting the force of the ad words like you have to sell that, and Google gotta let go of that program, right, the search ad program, right, a divestment from that from its

Chrome web browser. But at the end of the day, they haven't landed on an actual verdict as to how to solve this. They've just said, no, you violated antitrust laws. You want have to break up this company, just curved.

I mean, tell everybody else get their weight up. They don't want no interference, which I guess I would understand too if I owned a company and was making a kajillion dollars. But I'm a consumer that really just want to be able to have good products, afford the products we have, and not hear somebody like Jeff Bezos in his rocket that looked like a penis who didn't even actually make it in the space and then to say, hey, you guys did this by buying stuff like don't nobody

want to see that? Like, Okay, listen, here's the underbelly. We know, all right. The thing is, we ain't got no choice. Amazon might be next in this. This is the deal we've made without having an option to make this deal. We know we're making y'all rich, but we

also need to live. And sometimes if you that person man the consumer like us, it kind of feel good that there's some big homies that might be able to come in and say, hey, get to treat the little hummies like that, because and that's some good stuff, good politics, y'all. All right, now, don't you hit stop on this pod. You better listen to these credits. I need you to finish this thing so I can get the download numbers. Okay, so don't stop it yet, but listen. This was recorded

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