The Art Of Cap with Bridget Todd

will have to say. The thing that I thought was the best experience was seeing all the different you know, reproductive freedom activists and advocates and like trans advocates and activists who were really taking up space for themselves in a state like Texas. Um So, that was definitely the best part of the experience was seeing how many of those folks just really came there and took up space and made their voices heard. So it was a great time.

That's dough man. I know, like my experiences first out, like I always I'm an artists. I always went that last week, you know what I mean. I never got to go to any of the like tech or like film or any of the other stuff. You know. So like my experience always with South Buy is like I'm exhausted, you know. I stayed up too late. I went to things that I didn't need to go to. You know.

I was like trying my best to you know. You you you rush in and carrying DJ equipment to like four different locations and you're just rapping to other rappers. And I I guess that was dope, But I'm never sad I was there, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so this is the difference between your work and my

work and our experiences. I'm always there really early for the nerdy stuff, you know, like like here's a panel on climate, or like here's a talk about education, and I usually am gone for the actual fun stuff that people actually want to see, the music and the performances. One day I will be able to go and stick around to actually see something, to see you, And one

day I'm gonna do the other way around. I'm like, yo, I'm gonna go to the like grown up stuff man, where I'm just not like sweating all night, you know, holding a trillion mixtapes. You know what I'm saying like this that would be i feel like a much better experience at this point. I'm like unless like like Rolling Stones themselves are like, yo, we want you to headline, and I'm I'm not going because like it is so hard as an artist there if you don't have like

a really good showcase, it's so hard. But when you go, have you gone with a part of as part of a team, do you have a crew with you or you go you go with like usually like the game for artists, funny says nothing to do what we're gonna talk about This is a hood politics podcast, but we'll

get to that in a second. Usually go like you get one good showcase that will be like this is worth the plane ticket, you know, and all of the hustle to get around, and then as you're there, then you start sort of like politicking and networking to see

if you could get on other things. But when you do come, if it's a good showcase, then yeah, you're bringing like you know, your sound guy, your manager, you know your DJ, your drummer or whatever you got um, but you're you're legit, like like yo, you on your own, you know what I'm saying, Like you're footing it down six streets the whole time. You know, you don't bring merch because it's like no one's buying merch, you know,

I'm saying, like that's not why they'd air. You're you're you're, you're paying for everything out of pocket, you know what I'm saying. So it's like it's not like a regular tour date where you could like go out and make money. And then what's crazy is like the last few times with south By, they a lot of the like the stage managers are sound people, they're volunteer, you know what I'm saying, So they don't really know what they're doing, you know, And it's like depending on again the quality

of your showcase. You got a lot of like you know, struggle rappers who are like I think they're more amazing than they are, so they showing up late, you know what I'm saying. So the whole schedule, you're trying to be professional. You're like, yo, I'm on an eleven, so I'm here at you know, ten, ten, fifteen, Like you know what I'm saying. Here plug in, I have my own mike, you know what I'm saying. The last one,

the last one I did. The sound person that they had at our venue like, uh was I want to say, like Eastern European, like from like a Slavic region, and just didn't speak English. And it was like, I'm glad you're there. That's dope. I love I like y'o, like I honor that hustle to get yourself to South south By, you know what I'm saying. But you running the stage and I'm like, hey, I can't hear the monitor and she was She was like it's good, and I'm like, no, no,

you know, the MIC's not out. The the MIC's not coming out. The monitor had no idea what I was saying. So I'm looking, I'm like, yo, the sound person don't speak I think I don't think the sound person speak English. And the dude that was running was like, yeah, I know, man, So just you just gotta do your best. I was like, yeah, dog, I'm not I'm not doing this game. Yeah, it's definitely a lot of do your best energy. Definitely how I

would describe it. Yes, that's perfect, but it's but then you leave and you're like, I'm so glad I did that. That That was so fun. I met so many dope people. It's like, anyway, we're all over the place. Welcome to her politics. Bridget you have a show called Tell Everybody what's the show is called? My show was called There Are No Girls on the Internet, and it's a podcast about technology, the Internet, identity, culture, underrepresented voices, and all

of that fun stuff. That's so it's such a clever title because when I first heard it, I was like, what do you say? Really? You know what I'm saying, It's like, it's like this never INDI it's almost like the White Supremacy Project, where it's like there's never it's a never ending black hole of areas where that's affected

our life, you know what I'm saying. So when when it comes to like, you know, gender issues me as as a as like a cis gender male, Like, I keep falling more into that black hole of like what do you mean there's no girls? I was like, is that yet another place that that equipment at bien subject? Are you serious there too? You know I'm saying so that really by experience, by hearing that title, Yeah, I'm

so glad to hear you say this. I get a lot of questions about the title, and you really just perfectly summarized why I picked that title, even though it is a mouthful. Every time I type it, I'm like, oh God, why did I pick such a long time her podcast? But yeah, I think, you know, seeing seeing the ways that traditionally marginalized people are um continue to be uh you know, oppressed and sort of not really

letting our voices shine through. It completely crosses over onto the Internet, onto other technical realms, and so I just really wanted to But the thing is, I know that it's traditionally marginalized people, women, queer folks, transports, black folks who are actually doing such amazing things on the Internet. So it doesn't really make sense then that our voices and our stories underrepresented there in this realm that really we make so special. That's so true, and that's like, yes,

like yes, that's what I was gonna say. That's why it was such a shock to me because when I go and I'm like, it's not like I don't believe you, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, you know, like, oh wow, okay, teach me something. But in the same way that like, you know, because we're in those marginalized communities, because I know I know hundreds of black people in tech. You don't say, I know, I don't hundreds of women.

I know hundreds of queer folks that are doing you know, epic ship that I'm like, you just realize, like, oh, that's just my world because I am intersectional in the way that I live my life, you know I'm saying. So I'm like, I'm around all these intersections that you just you'd be forgetting, you know what I'm saying, Like, you'll be forgetting everybody else saying that, you know, when people little things like for example, like you know, I'm from l A. I'm like, I grew up in South

Central and surrounding areas. So I'm like, I can't think of any sort of marginalized like ethnic group that hasn't stratified every socio economic class, you know what I'm saying, because that's just the way we lived. I was like,

my principle in high school was queer. My boss Jo saying, it's like, so you just have this like this A lot of times for me, it's like I find myself having to even though I live in the spaces as a marginalized person, but involved with other marginalized people I need to be reminded sometimes that like my world, just because I live with y'all don't necessarily mean I really understand everybody else's experience as they leave sort of the

safe spaces we all exist in. You know what I'm saying, absolutely, And I think the thing that you the comparison you made about California, I think really tracks with my experience is because I've been in some level of tech or tech adjacent for most of my adult life, and in all of that work, the people who I've been working with are black folks, brown folks, queer folks, you know, transpolkes,

all of that. And so when you look around and you see who gets elevated, whose voices gets amplified, whose project gets funding, or whatever, those people are all white, cis gender heterosexual men. That's a choice. That's not because there's that's it's not there exactly exactly. Somebody has made a deliberate choice, and that's why you're not seeing us bang, which actually leads us to what I want to talk

about today. I want to talk about the art of Captain Captain cap cap cap cap cap cap cap cap, and I feel like there was nobody better like I almost did this by myself, but I was like, nah, nah, there's nobody better to talk about this situation than this bridget here. So first of all, for the folks, if you don't know, let's me and you come up with like a working definition of what we mean by CAP.

I don't know if people have heard that before, like he capping all that's cap, you know, and you start playing with it, you know, black folks, I will start playing with it like, oh, that's Captain Crunch, that's Captain America. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying, Captain Marvel like which just everything is cat. Right. So if you were to put a working definition on CAP, what do you what would you define that as? And

no urban dictionary people like, let's let's talk. I would define CAP or cap in as lying as you know, it's to saying something that's not true, deliberately that you know is not true. Boom. That's part of the thing is you have to know it's not true, right if or or if not, then you're just misinformed. But like, if you cap in like you notice is not true, what do you think the purpose of CAP is? Oh? God, I mean it can be anything, right, so the majority. So in my so I should say, in my nine job,

I research and study disinformation and misinformation. And so the definition that you just gave is perfect because the working definition of disinformation to somebody who is lying on purpose to deceive, misinformation to somebody who they're not trying to mislead you, they're just saying something that's not true and

they don't realize it. And so we have seen some of the reasons why people cap The biggest one I would have to say that I see over and over again is for some kind of personal game, so personal gain. So just scamming, right, just like I'm going to say something that's not true because it's going to at me money, notoriety, more fame, more attention. You know, even if you're not a disinformation researcher, you know a scam when you see one, right,

you know, we all know what a scammer looks like. Yes, exactly. And I am sitting across the zoom from I feel like God has blessed the specific part of our species, the black woman, with the greatest cap radar of anybody on earth. Like I don't know anybody that can like suss out some cap better than black women. Oh my gosh, I'm so. I mean, it's true, right, It's absolutely true.

And and in on the podcast, we have covered story after story of somebody is lying, somebody is pretending to be somebody they're not, and nine times out of ten and it is a black woman who is sniffing an albit like, I'm not so sure about this. I don't sit right exactly, you know what I'm saying. I don't own a little little little sussed. I don't sit right.

Uh So in your personal or professional whatever one you're more comfortable with, like I am positive out, I would willing to bet money that you have been in scenarios whether it was directly to you or you're sitting adjacent to someone in some sort of meeting that is just is just the most like mid mediocre person, just like spitting some of the most ridiculous absurd like is anybody

is anybody actually believe in this stuff? And then it may and then sometimes I'm a work right, So if you can, you know, try to dig into the archives, like think of the one or two of the most absurd like moments personal or professional where somebody was just capping either to you or around you, that you just like, is this full for real? Oh my gosh, how much time do you have? I mean, I think that's the

thing about being in tech and tech adjacent. I have had to sit through a lot of conversations with somebody who I knew was lying to my face and it wasn't or or it wasn't even clear to me that

they knew they were lying. So much of tech is people believing their own hype ego, you know, fake it till you make it kind of thing, you know, I would to the biggest one that I that I personally have witnessed is people, usually white men, who have some kind of a product that they are selling, that they are pitching as this is going to be the thing that saves the Internet, that fixes the Internet, that makes the internet, you know, a better place to be, a

more honest place, and you know, it's just half of them are just sort of low key scams. And the way that people talk about these ventures it's almost sort of impressive because it's like, Wow, you really have a confidence about about this thing that I am pretty sure is it's like mostly bullshit. Yeah. I was like, you've you've you've worked out maybe none of the coding is done, like and I know it's not because I could tell

by the terms you're using exactly. And I think that, like that's one of the reasons why right now, you see all of the people are sort of obsessed with like scams like an adelviv fire festival, because you know, I think that we have this weird fine line of where where is something just the typical tech company, you know, like process of fake until you make it, Like companies like Uber they don't make any money, but yet we

think of them as successful companies. Where is the line between that between just the normal things in tech companies and an actual scam. I think that that the blurring of that line is why we're so sort of fascinated by people who really just lie for a living. I would love for you to go back and just restate what you just slid by so slickly, which was that Uber don't make no money. Yeah. Uber does not make

any money. They have never been a profitable company, which when you think about that, yes, yeah, so that's why they ain't not trying to like like actually hire these people right right exactly, because like, well we're not making no money though that yeah, ah, you just you just enlighten me on something I never even thought of that that like, yeah, how could they They don't own none

of it. And so I think exactly, and I think that where where is the line between between just the normal you know, business of tech companies like Uber and

actual scamming. I'm like, wow, that's crazy. WHOA Okay? So Cap, like we said, it's like it's a purposeful lie and for our sake, for the sake of Cloud in whatever way, whether it's money or fame or our access and anybody, Like I said, if you've ever seen a rap video or listen to any sort of music, you like, the cars are rented, you know, the you know, the jewelry is fake. You know what I'm saying. It's it's cap,

you know what I mean. But but it's like sometimes there's like this like sort of understanding that it's part of the job, you know what I mean. And in a weird like you like you was kind of explaining with tech, it's like some of it's like yo, that's just part of the game. It is fake until you

make it. You know what I'm saying, You're not gonna run in there and be like, hey, I need you to pay me ten million dollars for a half finished product, you know, like like no, I have to I'm not gonna give you some no, you know what I'm saying. It's like, well, I had a cap for a little bit, like you know, and use some sort of intentional you know, very intuitive, incarnational you know, community building. You gotta do

the hand thing, you know. I wish I could see this lots of gestures, you know, the you know, kind of kind of putting things. Yeah, but so like cats kind of like part of the game. I think the next part I want to do is like, let's talk about a couple of different kings of cat and maybe we can uh possibly crown the king of cap here. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Yes, this is. This is There's never been a question that I am more prepared to answer because I think about this a lot.

I know you are. So let's I would like Russian cap right now, that's in the news, you know, Russian TV talking about Ukrainians uh using human shields and then not letting nobody else have news shows on a TV.

It's like, don't yo, don't ask cap you know what I'm saying and throwing these like clearly like Trump style, like you know, rallies like quote Bible scriptures, which is to me probably the most bizarro world thing that I've ever seen come out of Russian modern And it's like are you did you just just quote the Bible right now? Like I was like, I feel like yo, yo, cap Wing and the like conservative white evangelical cap Wing needs to have a meeting because y'are not on the same

page no more. Absolutely. I mean I remember I I can't remember who it was, but it was some um like right wing elected official or person who was like running for office who was at the Republican gathering. It happened just recently, talking about how she liked Russia because they were a Christian nation and all of this. Like it was like like what happening? What? Yeah? I was like, what is this? When did y'all what? And it's almost

like that's the part that like blow my mind. I'm like, man, y'all can't even keep up with your own stories, because number one, it's like, well, they've always had a Russian Orthodox Church. So even when you was saying that there was a completely godless secular culture. I was like, well, they they have their own church. It's just so you're already wrong, you know what I'm saying. And then but that was y'all's line, and now it's not your line, and I'm like, what that's kind It's well, it's one

of those situations. Do you ever know somebody who scams and lies and caps so much they can't even keep their own bs straight? Like that's what it is. Where it's like, it can't be be some of these things contradict each other. They all can't true. Which one is it? Yeah, I don't I don't know how y'all like, how are y'all okay? And then so then at that point you're looking at the rest of the audience like, hey, y'all, ain't hear that? Like, well, luckily she was speaking at

like a Republican um. I can't remember. I want to say it was spac or turning qu Luckily for her. I don't think anybody in the crowd was really like, m let me put on my critical thinking. Happened minute? Yes, I was taught my entire life. They were the access of evil, y'all saying the picture of everything ungodly that's what you told me. They was throughout the entirety of my middle school. Now all of a sudden, okay, got you.

Uh and you you've been doing working in disinformation and like you know, troll farms, twitter bots and all this such that you know, some of it comes out of the Eastern Block, some of it does not. UM that I would love to hear you, like like put us on game right now on how where that's come from, how it's evolved, how it's gotten more sophisticated, and how we probably have all fell for it. Oh. I mean I work in disinformation for Olympic and I've definitely fallen

for it. UM. I think I would like to say there's sort of two kind of buckets to be thinking of this in UM. One is the you know, foreign born bad actors who use things like bots and what we in authentic accounts to spread confusion on the Internet.

And then you have you know, domestic bad actors. And I think that before the invasion of Ukraine, I think that we were focused a lot on you know, foreign bad actors meddling on on our on our social media platforms and on our elections and things like that to the point where we were not not often talking enough about sort of domestic bad actors doing the same thing or like so, but I think that with the Asian of Ukraine, we have you know, renewed a renewed urgency

around talking about and authentic accounts being driven by by foreign actors, and so Russia has a very long history of using an authentic accounts too, specifically target black folks on social media. One of my favorite episodes I've ever done on the podcast is talking to a woman, a black woman, Chefika Hudson, who was really among the first people to start sniffing out these and authentic accounts. These

accounts would pretend to be black women. They would they would say things, or they would use like a like a picture on their Twitter profile of a black woman that they just stole from the Internet, and they would basically just say outlandish stuff trying to supread confusion and chaos and mistrust and so a lot of times what you see the ultimate goal of these bad actors is to spread mistrust. So like I don't trust you, you

don't trust me. Neither of us trust institutions or less it officials just generally create a vibe of mistrust, and so Shouldika huts In. Luckily, as a black woman, really was able to snip this out. And the way that she was able to snip this out was so genius. It was because these accounts would try to mimic the way that black women speak but get it crazy wrong. They would say things, Yeah, that's what would catch me. That's the part that would give me because we don't

ever refer ourselves as the blacks exactly. Yeah, but whenever you ever heard a black person referred to like ourselves, our community as v blacks a black never, I've never heard that. We've never done that. That that was gonna be like, I was gonna say, yo yo first that her saying that, because that's used to what happened to me.

You know, you get these replies and you're looking at the profile picture and I'm like, Oh, it's a black dude, but I'm listening to him talk and I'm like, oh, you're not black at all, homie, like you know, and it's like and it's not even on some like listen, there's a diversity of thought, you know, you can have

different political views. Were not a monolith, so I can here you know and at least understand a very like fiscally conservatives, you know, socially liberal constitutional is black, dude, He's still going to talk like a black dude, like there is an author that That's the thing. There is an authenticity to our experience. There is nothing like we the black community, of the black, black and brown folks.

We are vast, we contain so many, you know, we're very multifaceted, and that's one of the parts, one of the beautiful parts of our community. But there's still going to be an underlying authenticity and right and so I think that is I just love how as black women identifying these fake accounts that kind of becomes our superpower. The ability to see and understand black authentic expression. That is something that really saved us and gave us the

ability to protect our own online communities against bad actors. Yes, yes, facts, I love it, dude, and I and I've even experienced on my on and somebody that's like what I started naming myself as, like overwoke, where it was almost like a bad actor on the other end, like you're trying to like round me up on some on some like my father is a black panther. So I'm like, I already know that they've like whatever data they used to mind, whatever I am and who I follow and stuff like that.

You already know, like what terms you're supposed to drop on me, you know what I'm saying. And then and then the issues for which they're picking up on and how angry they are and what And I'm just like, because again, like you said, there's an authenticity of the experience, because at some point, I'm gonna be like, hey, bro, you need to chill, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, hey, fam, like listen, listen, happy, thanks taking, I get it, you

know what I'm saying. Like, we don't celebrate the Pilgrims, you know, but these the Kyla Green slap we all go home anything we understand. We have this dual consciousness, bro, Like, hey fam, Like, yo, chill. You not at your grandma house right now? Now? You're not real, do you not? Even? You know what I say exactly, And I love how you put that. And isn't that dual consciousness, that dual experience that is such an authentic part of how all

of us show up? I feel um? And then I just want to say something else to your point about you know, these overwoke people who you feel like are trying to roll you up. The answer is probably that is exactly what's going on. You know. One thing that we see a lot about the way that disinformers and bad actors operate online is that they use things that are legitimate tensions that exist in our community, or legitimate fractures, fractures particularly things that are like sensitive or difficult to

talk about that we don't talk about. So a good example would be tensions between black folks and Latino folks, right, And so we've seen bad actors time and time again exploit that specific tension that does actually exist. And so, you know, and just another point to your point, um, during the summer, when we saw all of those you know, uprisings and protests around the globe pro racial justice, Twitter actually confirmed and I think Facebook did too. They don't

quote me on that, I know that Twitter did. They confirmed that some of the people who you might have thought were black folks on social media who were you know, inviting people to to you know, participate in violent activities like oh, we're gonna go we're upset about racial justice. We're going to go to a white suburban burn it down. Those were run by white supremacists, right, Like these platforms

have confirmed that. And so if you if you ever feel like somebody online is posing as a black person and really trying to rile you up along something that isn't an identified, existing like trigger point for you, you're not paranoid for thinking that's what's going on exactly. And I feel like, again, that's see that exact example is like, Yo, that's bullseye of who I'm trying to talk to in this show and why I made the show because it's like, dog,

you know this experience. You knew a kid like that, you know what I'm saying. That was like, Hey, hommy, he talking ship. You're gonna let that NIGN talk to you like that? You know what I'm saying, Like, Hey, we're gonna ride tonight, man, you're pulling up or not? You know, ride or die? Bro. Hey, you don't let him talk about the hood like that. It's like, hey, hommy, you know what, that's your problem. That beef you got with that boy, that's between y'all and him. Y'all outside

he said he outside waiting for you. I'm gonna be right here. You know what I'm saying, Because I like you, you ain't gonna pull me into that, you know what I'm saying, Like, I love my hood, I love my set, but listen, it's different. I'm over here, I'll sitting here eating tacos. You should have left you should have left that man alone, you know what I'm saying, Like, I know why. I think I talked about it once before on another show. But it's a very like specific, like

real life experience. Me and I'm just playing outside and some boys just happened to be walking by, and did nobody tell you? Did nobody tell you to press? These dudes? Hey, hommy, where are you from? It's like, bro, they on the they was on their way, They was already passed our yard. You you did not need it, So now we all got to fight. And I'm like, okay, listen, bro. Like so that's what I'm saying. So use those same antennas you remembered that was gonna get you in trouble. Y'all

all suspended because he mad. You know what I'm saying. Used them same antenda is that you remember, Like, no, I'm not going to that party. I ain't going to that kick back y'all, y'all gonna wear y'all ditch in fourth period. Now I'm chill, I'm cool, Like, look them same antennas, you know what I'm saying. Use that for going to burn that white suburb? Like really exactly. I

love how you put that in. Again, you don't need to be a disinformation researcher to see the to be like, oh, I I recognize this right that that that same antenna, that same gut feeling where you're like, this doesn't seem right, that isn't feeling. I think that we should all, we would all be served by leaning into especially when we're having these tense conversations online. Yes, so good, Okay, so Russian cap, bad actor his cap? What about a media caps?

So how do you feel about Tucker Carlson? Tucker Carlson might be my number one cap cap of the year. Maybe he so exactly, he's just so good at it, Like he's really good at it, yo, Because what what's so brilliant And I hate to use that term, but what's so brilliant about the Tucker Carlson cap is there's two things. It's a new show knowing damn well, this ain't no new show, knowing knowing this is an opinion show. And if you ask him, if he's pressed in court,

he's like, this is the entertainment exactly. The news happened at like noon, like this entertainment show. So that's like, okay, so you've already set up the game. If somebody press you on it, that's like we're talking about this entertainment Like no, it's people don't take me serious, knowing full well everybody takes you serious. And then too, he knows how to say something by not saying something like right now.

I'm really impressed with his like I'm not gonna be pro Putin because that's crazy because I'm but I'll be anti anti Putin. It isn't that. It's so savvy the way that you couldn't point to like unfortunately, I have watched quite a bit of Tucker Carlson the last few months. I couldn't point to him being specifically pro Putin's very good.

You couldn't. You couldn't get him on that. But he the way that he is able to be anti anti Putin, it's just it's it's really it's brilliant and I hate to give him a compliment, but he really he's he's not new to this. He's true that man, like I got him up there. I got him up there as like he's fighting for one and two for me because

because it's brilliant, you know what I'm saying. He has a way of sanitizinglearly Nazi thought like this is like if you just just it's one of those things to where it's like you just just just push a little, just just pull the curtain down a little and you're like, oh, I'll see what you did there, you know, And it's and it's quite a skill. I think there's a lot of people, you know out here in the world of

normis that probably have that same skill. They just don't have the access somebody like a tech tuck a cross and have or the death inside of their soul to be willing to do what they're doing, you know what I'm saying. But that art, like that art of like saying it by not saying it. And it's the same way that when he makes content about race, that is when you really see him really say it without saying it, Like he basically is able to insinuate some pretty ugly

dark things about communities of color. But again, it's done in this way where if you had to point out he makes it very difficult to point out specific quotes that he has said. Anybody, and anybody can see what's going on. Anybody can be between the lines and say, oh, I understand what he's trying to say. Yeah, yeah, when you go, yeah, so when you go. So, what you're saying is which us who are listening and have heard

this line before. What you're saying is, by virtue of our very nature as black and brown folk, we are not able to be as civilized as the people that you serve. That's what you're saying exactly. You know what I'm saying. He's like, where did you hear me say that? What are you talking about? You know? And I'm like, okay, yeah, you're right. You didn't say that, got you. That's cat. But you know you're saying it though, exactly. And you

know who else knows, his viewers, his viewers exactly. What Yes, cat cat cat cat cat cat cap ca ca ca cat cat cat can cap. I think we witnessed a smorgasborg of cap in the last Supreme Court nomination hearing. Oh my gosh, it was hard to do to do watch the hearing. It was hard for me to watch. I couldn't, I couldn't keep it on. I marveled at

there's a few things on marvel I was. I felt a little anthropological because I'm like, as someone who has lived my entire life under the watchful eye of black women, whether it's my sister, all my teeth, all my teachers, you know, my all, my whatever the case may be,

her ability to not show her cards. You know what I'm saying, Remain calm, not raise my voice, know what the hell I'm talking about, Twitch to switch her pitch, switch your tone, answer a question, diffuse your question, know how to not answer you knowing what you're saying is ridiculous, and then but not saying this is ridiculous, but I'm gonna answer, you know, answer a fool in his folly, like I'm gonna answer your folly. Right was to me, was like, oh, this is y'all. Don't understand. This is

what they do. Like she's exceptional, but not for that. That's not what makes her exceptional. That's what they all do. Absolutely,

I cannot agree more. I almost feel like so so yes to everything that you just said, And for me watching that, I have to say I had almost kind of I didn't expect to be almost sort of so emotionally almost triggered by it, because, as you said, every black woman in America recognizes the masterful dance that she has to do to get to basically be publicly disrespected for hours on national television and act like one it's acceptable,

which it shouldn't be. You respond with like grace and a plum and not and make it seem like, oh well, thank you for that question. It definitely is not disrespectful. Definitely, doesn't you know, set me up to feel disrespected, does not disrespect my years of experience it. So I definitely recognized that in the hearings, but it was just hard for me. I was like, this is I didn't like. I didn't like watching her have to do that, and

I can recognize that she did a great job. Yeah, do you have do you have a recollection of what you think which one of the questions or senators or things was like the most cap delicious. Oh yes, definitely. I think it was Ted Cruise's line of questioning around um this that this complete nonsense idea of her being

quote soft on like sexual prickers. So that has complete roots in debunked nonsense Q and on theories, and also the way that he framed that question of trying to get her to explain why she sentenced this person who was I guess con um for you know, a certain amount of years in prison. And she was like, well, I it's not my job to you know, I don't come up with sentence and guidelines. That's my job as a judge to you know, work within those guidelines which

I don't make. And when I think it was, Dick Durbin was like, I think that she's answered the question. Time to move on. Ted Cruz was like, well, I guess you know, why don't you want the American people to know the truth of what happened with this child

this this child pornography case. And so again going back to sort of saying something without saying something, it's so clear clear as day to me that Ted Cruz was trying to evoke this debunked Q and on theory that absolutely elected officials are involved with you know, child being child predators at all and things of that nature. And you know the reality is, you know, in my day

day job, I work for a survivor justice organization. Survivor justice organizations and survivor justice advocates are so queer that Judge Jackson, we see her as an advocate for us. We support her, And this idea that he can use, you know, like per like per being soft on child predators or soft on sexual violence against her is so disingenuous and disgusting, Like it's so clear what he's doing

and the reason why it's effective. The reason why these Q and on theories haven't gone away is that so many people are survivors of sexual violence and somebody knows it's something that that is going to, you know, really have a stick in quality because so many people have experienced it, and it's just ridiculous not to mention danger. It's dangerous to publicly associate somebody with something as horrible as being a child predator. And and I thought that

was definitely the most unacceptable extreme cap of the entire hearing. Yeah, Ted cruz Uh, I don't know anyone that's so ferociously bad at what he's trying to do, Like it's it's it's a marvel to me because it was like like you said that that that that cap was so clear and paper then it just wasn't clever. You're like, you're not even good at this. You know, um his his clear like cloud Chasing with the like holding up the book and like trying to trying to land a thirty

second segment on you know, the news tonight. I'm like, bro, do you have any concept of how the media works? You put the book on the screen. You understand that everybody's gonna go buy the book. Now, You're so bad at this, bro, Like you you don't put it on it. You ain't supposed to put it on the camera, bro, Like that's you just put this man's book cover in front of the world. You don't think people ain't gonna google that? Like, you're so bad at this, dog Like

that's not that's not how cloud Chasing works. And that book shot up to number one, but the number one overnight, Thank you very much. You are so bad at this, Like yeah, so I would. Yeah. I thought the way that she answered that because I wasn't really clear on like the queu and on stuff that debunk stuff. So I was like, let me hear what let me hear what she got to say, And the way that she answered it um for y'all to don't know. She's basically like, listen, dude.

You know, pre Internet, if you were just to um pass out child pornography, you had to pound the ground you was putting them in the mail, right, So it took a lot of effort for you to get a hundred pieces of child pouring out. Yo. That's footwork. Like, it's a lot of work. Right now, from the Internet, you can click one button and put a million pieces out. So you're like, okay, that is that volume or effort, And you gotta ask me who put in more effort,

who put in more volume? And my job was to say, okay, in this situation situation in night, this man went out of his way, joke say, to buy stamps, to go to the post office to xerox all this stuff. So I had to calculate that into my judgment. I'm like, that makes perfect sense, and I don't understand why you would What what does that got to do with being soft on crying? Like you tying this together in a

way that clearly don't make sense. And so for me, I'm like, even if you was gonna pick something to cap on, that one's easily torn down. That's why I'm like, you're not good at this. Yeah, I mean I think that you know, the way that you put it, It's like I think people like TEP crews were using that confirmation hearing process to grandstand. I think that they you know, it's just stunts. Again, if you, if you, you know, you don't have to be a political scientist or a

scholar to recognize a stunt. When you see one and abody who pull stunts, you know it's the same. It's the same thing. You're looking for your moment. You're looking forward to get that booking on Fox News or talking Carlson to explain your little stunt. And that's what it is. You know, this is in this like equal opportunity. I'll still never get over, you know. Nancy Pelosi and her and her kinte cloths. Neil I was like, this is the most you again, You're bad, You're not good at this.

That was the most absurd. I was like, ma'am, ma'am, get you're gonna hurt yourself. Get off that, Get off your knee, ma'am. Just don't don't bend down like that, man, Just don't. Who on her team told her that was a good idea, like, ma'am, this only reads as cap. You're not helping, you're helping. Ain't helping, you're helping. I help, ma'am. Can you please just get off? Don't Yeah. When she tried to take to me, I was like, oh, oh, m pellos, don't do that. You ain't gonna be able

to get up. You're not doing what you think you're doing. Just cap. So our three candidates, four candidates Russian media, social media, bad actors, Tugger Carlson, or the Supreme Court hearings rank. We'll talk across with the number one, number one, number one King of cap cap and that's really saying something. Um, I'm gonna say number two Russian state media. Okay, I'm gonna say number three the hearings and just the general horrible nous on display. And then number four sort of

general social media backers I have. I have no notes on that list. That's perfect, all right. So to close out the show, I'm gonna give you, um three things and two out of three. If you get two out of three correct, you win. Question is factor cap? So these are news headlines. Tell me if they're factor cap. Oh, if I'm bad at this, I'm gonna I'm gonna be shaming myself as a well, I'm not giving you a

lot of information though. Okay, so the first one is the first one is uh, no one has any idea when April Fool started as an event or a holiday. But we kind of think the customs go back to Renaissance Europe, but most likely started much earlier than then. That sounds like fact, correct, it is fact? Good job. Okay. Number two. For Valentine's Day, the Bronx Zoo had a litter of mere cats, and for a small price, you can get one of them mere cats to be named

after yo boo thing. Oh I think I heard this story. I don't remember being mere cats. I'm gonna say true because I want a mere cat named after myself. I would love a mere cat named after me. But as cap it was actually roaches, That's what it was. That's what I want. Oh. I have a couple of people who I feel like would really be a good roach name. We should get one a name at Tucker Carlson. Yes, it's I'll do that after this. Let's right now, let's

name this. Oh my god. Okay, oh man, that's so perfect. Alright, factor cap Mickey Mouse is coming out. Oh that's gotta be cap. Wait wait is it fact? It's a trick question. The Republicans, the Republican UH media is convinced that because of the direction that Disneyland is going that they're like, well, next thing we're not Mickey Mouse is gonna be gay. So they've called him gay. I see, Oh that's a good one. That that was a really, really good one.

They're always upset about something. Do you remember when they made The Green the Green eminem less horny? Yes, she was too sexy. Yeah, I'm just like yeah, Like with that one, I was like, man, y'all bored, Like y'all just bored. I feel like there's plenty of things. Almost sometimes I want to sometimes I feel like, man, let me,

let me write y'all's points. It's almost like if I was being if I was gonna be like if we was in a battle, like it was battle rapping, I would be like for this to be more fun for me. I'm gonna give you things to say to me because

the stuff you're coming up with is trash. Like, there are so many things you could say, There's so many things you can deal with you know what I'm saying, you can talk to us about the fact that we really don't know how we feel about the police, you know what I'm saying, Like because we don't you know what I'm saying, Like you had it like you said uprise and we had defund the police everywhere and then and then Corey Booker got on that thing and was like,

We're never gonna defund the police. And you're like, wait, wait what like you know or or kept like drag us on the fact that when we say defund the police, we don't mean defundum. We mean defundum, And you're like, what the hell does that? Drag us on nap, You know what I'm saying, Make us answer that question, make me explain what I mean by that. But that's not what you're doing. You're mad. You're mad because Mickey might be by it's wild and I think you know this

really it really comes back. This is like one of the biggest, my biggest problems with this information is that we spend so much time, so much oxygen gets taken out of the room for having the actual conversations that we should be having conversations about things like policing and things like real things. We don't spend time talking about the real things because we're too busy talking about the

outrage around Mickey being by or something like that. Like we've spent so much time on the ridiculous, but we then don't get to the substitutive or the thoughtful, or the things that are actually going to like get us some progress and help us move forward. We just don't. We don't have time to talk about it. We're too busy talking about Mickey's So yes, oh man, well I'm gonna give you that. I'm gonna say you won the Factor cap game because I gave you a trick question.

And uh, I appreciate you participating. And I also appreciate you participating with this show and making time for us. Thank you so much for being here with us. This was so much fun. I I'm so glad we were able to make it happen. Uh. Yeah, you I love I love the framework that you bring to this work. It's really really great. Thank you, and I love your work. Again, everybody, there are no girls on the internet, please listen to

this show. Like I, I have learned so much from your show, from your presence even just now in this you just you've taught me on this show. Uh yo, this was so dope. Well and now where can they follow you on the on the socials? You can find me on Twitter at Bridget Marie or on Instagram at Bridget Marie in d C. Bridget Marie in DC. Are you from d C? I am Gordon raised my mama from d C. Oh where about? So actually, here's a

funny story. She just wrote me like, uh, I mean almost like a hundred page I just said off the top. One day. I was like, you know, you never really know your parents and she was like, you know, I never thought of that. And then she was like, I'm gonna write you a letter, so she listen. Started off in southwest and then went to southeast to the east up East Capital Projects, which are not there now. It's uh the East Capital Urban Arm So it's a it's

an urban farm. They knocked it down. It's an urban farm right there. But it was called the East Capitol Projects right in southeast and uh, I'm trying to think of the name of the street that goes all the way out to like Upper Marlborough. It's like one street, it's a two oh two, I don't know, but either way, East Capital Projects that's where she was originally from. Then they moved to by the time I was around, my

grandmother lived in Northwest on three eleven Taylor Street. So and then but my family is a scattered plot my mom's side. I'm going and raised in by my mom's side, like Capital Heights. Uh, you know, I just left. Everybody buried in Fort Lincoln on Blakesburg Road. That's where all my family at. Um. I just left because we just had a funeral. But yeah, Fort Lincoln Cemetery right on Bladeburgh Road. So I am just a few blocks away from Taylor as we've as we serious, Yeah, that's our

ground man, Taylor Street Dogs. Yeah, that was that was my mama's hood. You know what I'm saying it shout out this problems. You know what I'm saying. You know I'm saying, d C Bama, you feel me. I remember my cousins used to come out, like my my first introduction to like go go, like when the they were coming, they would bring tapes to me and I didn't get

it because I was like, these are already songs. You just you just saying these are just bad recordings of other songs like I was like, I don't get it until I was old enough to go. And then once I went to a Go Go, I was like, oh, there is no there is no better turn up. There's nothing like go go Like, there's nothing like it in the world. If anyone's listening and you're like what is go go, come to d C. I will take you to a go go turn up. You will have the

best go like. That's what That's what I learned. You have to go. Once I went, I was like I get it now, yes, yes, And I'm saying this as some that you cut me open. The Pacific Ocean comes out like I ain't make California, but I was like I understand that anyway. Thank you so much. One more time d C Girl bridgets odd no girls on the Internet. Thank you very much. Thank you. Ca cat ca ca cap damn ca ca ca ca ca. Yeah, it's here. Thing was recorded by Me Propaganda and Easlows, Boil Heights,

Los Angeles, California. This smug was mixed, edited, mastered, and scored by Matt Ososki. I can totally say his name, guys. It was it was a stick. He's going by Matt now again because he got into some legal situations with the name Headlights. Y'all know, common used to be called common sense. You know, Tip t I was tipped Sometimes

it happens. Executive produced by the one and on me Sophie Lectorman for a Cool Zone Media and the theme music by the one and only Gold Tips, Gold Tips d J Shawn p. So y'all just remember listen every time you check in. If you understand city living, you understand politics, We'll see you'll next week. Okay,