From the Eastside with Love with Jabee

understand politics. And I was trying to give you all examples of that and bring people in that. We're proof of that now, as in the DJ Head episode, I am showing you living examples of people who are actually doing what I was trying to get everybody else to do. This is what I want to grow. I'll be honest with y'all, like pretense, this is what I'm trying to grow out the hood. I like to call his brother here, and I'm gonna let him introduce himself in a second.

But like, and I know how strong this statement is, and you may have heard me say this before, but I believe this is okay Sea's Nipsey, and I know I know how I know how big of a statement this is, but I honestly, once we start talking about what this brother is doing, you will understand, you know. I remember. Actually it's funny like somebody actually tweeted out right when Nipsey passed out here, some somebody from out here was like, yo, like there's gotta be other brothers

like this in cities across the country. And they was like, if you know, if y'all know of anybody that's that was like theyhood's Nipsey Like yo, tap tap in. And I thought of you and thisle um, you know, but specifically you and you why you here? Okay? See's on my boy j B. It's good as good as good in the Doom T shirt, yeah man, and my my propaganda coffee mug though, yeah that I got coffee crack it already, yeah yeah yeah yeah. So um, we're gonna

have a little conversation here. Man, I'm just gonna really I want you to tell the narrative of like I know, from how I was introduced to you and who you were, there was already a history you know that I obviously wasn't a part of um. And then I've had a chance over the years, like we were together, you know, and just have ran into each other whenever where in

each other's towns. We always find each other. But uh, I really want to talk about the trajectory how you got to where you were, you know what I'm saying, From caripping to city councilman, Like, that's quite a that's quite a trajectory, you feel me so so yeah, so

let's start from the beginning. Yeah, okay, see, I gotta I gotta definitely make it clear, like I definitely never been banged out, never was, never was cripping, but all my family is from from crip some my all my family, most most family from hood, you know, my brothers, my cousins, everybody gang bang him saying, so you was down there, Yes, you know, I'm just you know, living amongst the life, I guess you could say, and affiliated, you know, you

like the differences. I think is that just being from a neighborhood, from the hood, you get tested by people from the set, so they ain't like you ain't never know what I'm saying, you ain't with the setting like that, but you have to make sure that to draw the line for the for the those ones who who live and die behind them the flags. What I'm saying so that you know, um, yeah, there's a clarity. There's a

clarity because you know it's different, you know what I mean. Yeah, and you want to just make sure you you know those people are like they died for these flags. Yeah you know, and so yeah, that's the difference. But I want to actually go back to something you just said right now, where you just get tested from other persons, Like there's I said this multiple times, whether it's in interviews or on this show, to where it's like when you just live over here, part of this is inevitable,

and then it's you're eventually connected. So if it's like if I'm I've given to many times and I'm pretty sure you could test this if we're just we're just walking home from school. I'm saying I'm just walking home, and that neighborhood sees me on the way to my neighborhood, Well, they know where that is. They're gonna test, you know

what I'm saying. So and if I if I square up you know what I'm saying, Or if you're with your or if you're walking you know, different instance, you're walking home from the park with your cousins and you know what I'm saying, And they all banged out and in the opposition seized them from the other side. They see them and you with them, they're not gonna stop and be like, oh wait, are you actually yeah, you know what I'm saying. And y'all y'all dressed us saying,

y'all talked to saying what I'm saying. Like growing up where I'm from, like we're so used to saying because it wasn't even like you don't even know what I'm saying, Like it's so so even like just even that you know what I mean, Like it's just a lot of the stuff is just it's just how you you know, what you're around and what you and how you raise. So here's a perfect example. I'm walking home from the park, me, my little sister, my cousins, and you know, we get

run up on by some people from a different set. Well, you know how I'm gonna look to my family who who banged out? If I go, hey, this, y'all fight, you know you can't, you know what I'm saying. So and then and then yeah, so eventually what happens is you know, I'm sworn by myself and you know the foods that seen me with them, they're not about to go. Well he by itself today or you know what I'm saying, like, no,

you gotta you gotta come with the same energy. So I said, I have to say, like, yeah, like there have been times where I've been tested. I've been you know, fights and jumped and even gay fight different sets. But it's a difference whenever you actually been been put on what I'm saying, you've been jumped on, quote it on and you have a spot in the game, you know what I mean, as opposed to like you know, you somebody cousin from the community, you know what I'm saying.

And the good thing about me was people that my cousins and brothers that was around me was so solid that um I was protected in the way to you know what I'm saying. And so yeah, man, like uh yeah, that's a good point man. And it's like you you you know, we don't get to participate in the spoil was the booty of war be in the car in the rise. You know what I'm saying. All this been had our house, shut up all that stuff. But like I said, like, you know, you still even though I've

seen those things, been those things. It's from my from my brothers and my cousins who who actually live and

live in every single day. What I'm saying, like, it's disrespectful for me to act like you know what I'm saying, Like you know what I mean that that that honor system, you know, I feel like there's something again something I talked about on this show about like transferable skills, but that level of honor, respect, camaraderie, family, brotherhood in the sense that like I know, like you said, I understand what you went through for you to have for to

have those tattoos. I understand what you went through for that and the danger you're putting yourself in. And that's the thing. Like even like even with me, like just like based on all that, like there's certain you know, based on how it was raised and who I was with and all that, there are certain people in certain assess that I don't mess with. I just don't know what I'm saying, like or you know, certain certain colors I just don't you know, just don't fly with me,

or certain words, just don't flyer. It's just just know we we're from the same part of town, so like at least the California versions, so it's the same thing. It's just like it's it's still difficult for me to hear you know, even like you said, like I'm even though I'm not we're not active, Like I really don't.

I really don't owe these crimps anything because I didn't sign up for I owe my my I think it's something that you write like I owe my life because there were times that like they was like with me, you got problem here with me. You know what I'm saying, you like, and because of that, I'm ready to get down with them if we got to get down something.

Yeah yeah, so uh so yeah. So it's in some sense, is I feel like I used to think that like I had the best the best of like the best of both worlds in some senses, but in other senses, I'm like, damn, I'm going through all this and I'm not even on the set, like I'm going through all the you got. So that's the thing people people have really putting it in work. So like that's why it's just important to make sure you you know, yeah, you clarified,

you know what I mean? So those things happened, you know, you're getting in trouble probably, right, Yeah, we all got in trouble, you know I'm saying, you know, but yeah, so just man, I like to describe it as just just regular stuff. Like I think I think to like because most people that I grew up around, we was all you know what I'm saying, getting some of the

same kind of trouble. But I think for people who aren't used to sens like, oh you was, you know, But for us, it's like, you know, that's just part of growing up. Some of it was yeah, yeah, but some of it's just mischief board yeah, and you know, running streets it's stupid, but and just kicking it with

your with your people, you know. But yeah, you know, I think just for me, I think back to a bunch of things that play a role in you know who I am so single parents, home, being homeless, And I'm saying a time like six seventh grade being homeless, um brother getting shot and killed or brother got shot in the head in front of our house, you know what I'm saying, Like all those things Pop's not around, and then when he was around, all the stuff that was we had to deal with with that, you know

what I'm saying, Like all those things kind of kind of really shaped and made me kind of who I am, But it really wasn't. I realized that that story are those things are part of my stories really would help show me, like, man, like there's some value and where I came from because most of the homies that come from, how where I came from. If it was as bad as it was for me, it's still that same way I'm saying that most of the home is that comfort

where I came from. If it was as bad as it was as it was for me, Like they locked up, you know what I'm saying, they passed on, you know what I mean. So so yeah, I think about I think about how I could look at my life and go dang, like I could be a product of my environment or I am a product of my environment, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, I'm just it's wild. It's wild. I think about my best friend that you

know since just Great, he doing life in prison. He actually had a death sentence and because of how his trial went um, he actually ended up getting life. And then my other best friends they found him hanging inside the inside the county. My brother, you know, he got shot in front of my house. My cousin got shot killed. You know, I could just go on on on and a lot of those, a lot of those times and things I was either there or in close proximity to

you think about all these things. I'm just like, man, like, I've been giving so many chances, all these opportunities where I missed jail. Even when I went to jail. You know what I'm saying, like, just um, how it turned

out for me was just that's that's yeah. And so I I'd be uh squandering this opportunity if I didn't do something with That's what I'm asking So like you, the realization of what you're saying right now, like I would be squandering all these gifts that mind, these protections over my life, these chances I've had where I could have been much worse. And like you said, all of your friends, you know, we're in different situations somewhere in there and now had to have been whether they were

big moments or pivotal, small incremental things. I would want to hone in on a few that I know of. So at some point, like hip hop happened for you, you know, and not hip hop like hip hop hip hop like like like m C and Chip. You know what I'm saying. Somehow that happened? When When did that happen? Ship? Yes you can okay? Yeah when balls ass? Okay? Uh so when did how did that happen? Um? That happened early? But you know, hip I will say this rapping kept me out of a lot of stuff too, for sure.

The day and this is where this is when I realized the day my brother got shot, like I was supposed to be there. I was recording at the studio, you know what I'm saying. And part of me is thinking, like, haw, had I not been recording and I was there with them out? But what's interesting, let me let me stop you there. What's interesting is like you're sitting right across

from me wearing a Doom t shirt. Right. But we've talked about too, how like California exported gangbanging, you know what I mean, and to the rest of the country, and and the uniqueness of which parts of the country took to the Cali thing and then which took to like the East coast sort of like New York thing obviously, Okay, see y'all took to Cali, you know what I'm saying, And for me, it was like it felt like I'll

go I was gonna tell that story. It's like mostly because well, if you like, just understanding the migration of black people after emancipation, if if you were in the Deep South, they went north. But uh Texas, yeah, Texas, and okay see they went west. So most of California's families are from Texas and okay see, Arkansas, we're from there.

So when we started getting in trouble in middle school, you know, you're what would happen is like you're about to get put on hood whatever whatever your mom and dad in then would be like, you're gonna go spend the summer with your auntie and he wasn't. Okay see, but then that kid would be that kid. That kid they thought it was getting at the hood, okay see,

and be like, Okay, I'm from the hood. Y'all gonna be putting that's what happened because I remember that, you know, and I'm sure Sandino probably could tell you too a little bit, uh like a little bit further history than I can. But I remember, like the nineties when I was in junior high, like, and you know, I think back, for instance, my first two encounters with somebody, you know, I want to put me on. You know, I'm saying

me contemplate, ma, I need to get jumped on. Uh. The the first one was a home I had in elementary school. Yeah, I had got into it with this Mesikan kid and at Moon at the time, I don't know why, but it was mixed. They had started at busting kids from the south side to the east side and so, um, I got into the Mesican cat And so after school my home was like, well, you know, after school was gonna go to the Mesicans. We're gonna get down with all of it. You better, you say,

said you better. You better help me because I'm helping you. And so I had to go and we got down with the Mesican cats. But and then after that it was a dude from I remember the dude from uh who came from He said, came from California something l a somewhere out here and he was coming to Okay. They're like, oh, you ain't met someone from California. He putting that body on the hood and I'm saying, so the homies there was like n well, you gotta you meet me at the park at at Pitch Park. We're

gonna jump you on Hoover. They getting the air was getting put on Hood, you know what I'm saying. So I'm what I'm glad I didn't because all my people end up being from Hood anyway, so it worked out. But yeah, that stuff, that story was so funny to us. Were not funny to us, but it was so interesting to us because it was like they would leave and and for our little eighth grade brain, it ceased to exist, like you just marvel blimp, like they just didn't exist anymore.

You know what I'm saying. You didn't think like, hey, whatever they're Byron, Oh, I don't know it. We didn't know, you know what I'm saying. So like and what what happened would be, like I found out later, is like he gets okay, see here calls Big Homie like we could there's nobody we could run this ship. You know what I'm saying. You're like, all right, so then Big Homily be like I need twenty I need twenty of y'all moved, moved, moved to Oklahoma twenty y'all right? Here

would Oklahoma just only for a year. Yeah, And I imagine like if you think back to like just like the eighties seventies, and it's probably worse whenever it was moving like the Coca was moving out Oklahoma, boy, because you got no competition. At least that's what we thought. So anyway, so I say that to say, so then when you meet dudes out there, all they know about CALLI is in w A. They know gangbanging. But like I said, you're sitting here a rap but you wearing

a doom shirt. So I'm like, tell me about that. So man, really, I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think. I I can't. I care. If I think that hard enough, I can. I could probably find a specific song time where you know, it switched for me, because there was a time, I think it when it was whenever I was old enough to start buying my own music because before, I mean I always rapped, like we was always wrapping in school of course, uh middle school, high school, you

know what I'm saying. We always we had rap clicks. We had rap clicks with fight wrap clicks and all that other ones and all that kind of stuff. So um, but there's a few rappers that has always been for me no matter what. And that's like pop, Nash Scarface que, It's it's it's always been there for me. But whenever that's because you know my mom and then was for that, you know what I mean. And you know what I'm saying, My mom wake up in the morning, she playing two,

watched garing for work, you know what I'm saying. But I think whenever I started listening to my own I started buying my own music. Um, it's whenever I kind of discovered like that like the Dunes and uh company flows and and that was probably around of time like probably like man it was, I would say Rockets. It's probably like a big thing. But I'm trying to think what it was I bought first. Um, I felt, yeah, it's probably something from Rockets, and I just went down

a rabbit hole, you know what I'm saying. And then and okay, see, you had like two different it's still probably a little bit today, but you had two different like hip hop cultures, you know what I'm saying. And so me and my home is we probably we were bounced between both, you know what I'm saying, because because because you know what I'm saying, like all what we grew homes were grug with. There was always the club

you know what I mean. So you got the club rappers and you know, gangster rap and all of them, and you know what I'm saying, just that style, and then you had like the m C s. I guess you. Yeah. I always say, always always remind people that, like the same year that Doggy Style came out and the big single Snoop Dog also passing Me By came out from the far side like this the same you're only once apart, you know what I mean. And it's and it's a symbol of the two Los Angeles, you know what I mean.

So so again knowing you guys mirroring like our culture, of course it was gonna happen like that. It was just gonna have. You're gonna have too. Didn't know that. It's crazy right when if you if you but if you look back, you know what I'm saying, like if you listen to both of them now, like they aren't

that different, They're really not what they're different. Yeah, because even even like you know, when you look at like good Life and Elements and you know, project load them and like like Project Load, as as beautiful and as Black Renaissance Lamerte Park is it's still in the photies, you know what I'm saying. You you only ten blocks from the sixties, you know I'm saying, so like it's

still that's just California, you know what I'm saying. So with that, With with that being said, it was like you you developed these two scenes, but then there was a few people, probably like yourself, that were hybrids. For us. One of the first hybrids, as far as we knew, was somebody like in a mod who was like from Hoover, you know what I'm saying, from that neighborhood, you know

what I mean. Like, so he did the street thing, but he was an m C you know, which ultimately gave birth to like the black hippie guys and Kendred who are like the the person who figured it out. That's they figured it out. You know what I'm saying. That's a good word. Hybrid. I guess that. Yeah, that's probably what it is. It's hybrid. Because I'm gonna cut you off real quick, but yeah, because like like I want you to remember your point. But like as I

just came to me, Absoules new record. When he said, uh, he nailed it, he said, backpack rap with a gat in it. I'm like, that's it, that's that's hybrid. Yeah, yeah, that's well. But but but I always you know, and that's the thing people don't realize two is that man, like a lot of them backpack rap ninkers was like it was like street niggers too, you know what I'm saying, Like they get down too, you know what I mean.

So so I want to say, you know, it was probably around that era, and um man, it just because what I guess what like what like drew me in was really more so of like the freedom to like like express myself in other ways because I because I even you know, I remember whenever Wuchank Forever came out and that album like just kind of like changed my mind,

like changed my world, you know what I mean. I was like, I was like, oh man, you could do so much with words and what you know what I'm saying, just as a as a rapper, you know what I mean, And you could do so much with with you know, with music, with beats and so yeah, it was just like just me going there and you know, I remember it got to a point to where you know, I would be bumping my woo change joints and we'll be on the on the school bus like East Coast because

East Coast to do that to me too, Like I'm like, you know what I'm saying, Like you know, but I'm like, this is freestyle fellowships. Yeah, yeah, same, Like so I felt like for me, I felt level graffiti, you know what I mean. So like that's that was my entrance into like backpack stuff with graffiti, and I wanted to do that, but like you kind of had to. You had to have squabbles if you do a graffiti to you know what I'm saying. So like, yeah, so there

was this real hybrid situation. But I want to fast forward you through. You've had a rather successful career, you know, on the independent of a couple like what I like to call for myself to like some really good at bats. You know what I mean, was some moments where it was like, Okay, this was a shot, you know what I mean? And you know it worked too, to the extent that you've been able to be a full time

artists for a while, you know what I'm saying. You know, so We're super thankful that you've had some great like collapse. You know, there's nobody I don't know, I don't know what city. You're not good, and everybody knows you wherever I go, you know what I'm saying, Like, and we've actually we've marveled as homies to be like da this JP just get around like everybody know him, Like you know, I'm saying, he's got collapsed with everybody. You know, he's

just good everywhere, you know. But uh so, so for the sake of the time, I'm gonna squash like fifteen years into Julius, right, and to me, that marked a pretty significant change, right, So so justice for Julius. Tell me about that, Okay, I gotta it's important that we

say that. You know, often times whenever we get to where we are with Julius, and usually you know, the persons already dead, like you know what I'm saying, and then there's just a big, huge yeah, yeah, uh this was important because this person is still living and breathing. So um, Julius got arrested in ninety nine. He's a little bit older than me, but he was he was good. He went to John Marshall and he played basketball, and

so there's a few things. For one, everybody knew about John Marshall's basketball and football team back then, so we knew who he was, uh to his sister and my sister is really cool. So I already knew his family. And then his his mom and my aunt were really tight best friends, uh and from the same sorority and

all that. So I already knew his family. But the thing that happened with him is what you happened to a lot of brothers, is they get arrested for something and we see it, we're told by the news and all that this is what happened. You're like, damn, home, you got caught up. You know what I'm saying. You keep you going back your life, you know what I'm saying. But you know, years later we find out all these things that happened during his trial, during his arrest, you know,

umpletely from completely bogus, you know what I'm saying. Uh, And so there's like, damn, you know, and we didn't nobody did nothing. We didn't see what I'm saying. So there was a documentary that Viola Davis did called The Last Defense Actually got to be in that and she kind of excuse me, she kind of told the story, and um, let us see, you know what really happened. And so from there it was on. So um that was like seventeen and we just we've just been busy

ever since. And one, you know, trying to prove his innocence and then uh, the second well the first thing was getting get get saving his life, you know what I'm saying, the improving his innocence and getting them getting them free. So I mean it. And it went down to the wire. So I remember, uh, myself, Francy equal equ rolling, Jef Sdi and Cody Bass. We walked from Oklahoma City to McCalister to the State Initentiary, which was a hundred and thirty one miles. Took us four days.

Whenever we initially said it, you know, I'm thinking it will take us a day and a half, I think, you know, And so I realized it was for once. Once you said that, you can't take it back, and like, I didn't realize it's gonna be four days. So we end up we did that. And the reason why we did that because we wanted to like we want people to see and and see like that these people were

willing to risk their health, their life. I'm saying that well, being the New Year's Eve, all these things for this person's life, and so you know, that was one of the things we did to jump it off. You know, it just spread like a wildfire. You know what I'm saying. You was, you was talking about it, Mers was uh, you know, Kim Kardashian, Westbrook, everybody, it was. I think, yeah, I think what even here in the backstory of how

your families were connected. I think that this is something that's like really important to home in on about our experience to where as big as these cities are, they're not that big, you know what I mean, And that and that these news items and hashtags are people you know, and like you said, like your first story is like, oh damn, you got caught up thing, man, it could have been me, you know what I'm saying. And then and then you start thinking about how many other stories

are exactly like that. But the fact that it's like what would you what person wouldn't walk a hundred miles for their family, you know what I'm saying. That's like you are in that and that's that's what I hope people understand. It's like, that's my family. And so even after that, whenever, we whenever, we really started pushing and pushing for his uh, his commutation. So we did this

whole thing for commutation, he got. The Partnering Parole Board granted him clemency two times, amazing two times, and both times the governor said, no, I'm saying, that's never happened in the history. Oh, the Pardnering Parole Board granted him commutation two times, which if has never happened, clemency never happened in history. Of two times he was he was giving clemency two times, they voted for life with the

possibility of parole, know what I'm saying. And even after those two times, the governor still proceeded to push for his death. And so then we realized they're really trying to kill this man. And so we started to kind of mobilize in different different ways, different areas to figure out what are what are what are things that everybody

can do to try and save his life. One of the things we started to do us the Governor's mansion is right on on Northeast Street on the east side, and so, uh, we just said we're gonna sleep in front of his house every single night. He don't see us. When he really take his kids to school, they're gonna see us. So we had people camping out in front of the governor's mansion the whole because he was scheduled

in November. So the whole month, the end of October to November, we were camping out in front of his house and um, just protesting. We're doing uh, you know, all kind of things, rallies, marches, um. And so we got we get down to the week of it, and we're at the state capitol every single day at his office. This was on This was on the news out here too, was it? Well, okay, we had the capitol every single day,

you know what I'm saying, every single day. And so, um, I think his when his mom is there too, and so the the let's say he was scheduled for a Thursday execution, I think so mother, it was probably Monday or Tuesday. His mom's gets there Tuesday, and so we're trying to like, you know, can we write her name on the list to meet with the governor. So we did all the things. This is after after he met

with the victims. Fan saying the victim of the victim being Paul Howe, which I hadn't even talked about what happened in the case, but met with his family and it's penning to kill this other men, but won't speak to his mama. You know what I'm saying, Like, how are you gonna kill somebody? Child? And not even you know what I'm saying, speak to your mom. So yeah, when you're convinced that this person is guilty, Yeah, what you tell you? It's like it was nothing. I don't

need to talk to his mama. Yeah, and you know and and what and what was so unique about the Julius that's just for Julius campaign is that it brought so many people together. It brought Christians, non Christians, the LGBTQ community, Republicans, Democrats, everybody from all walks of life were working together as safe his life. It was a clear and obvious like injustice and like the man is not guilty exactly what and like and I don't know

what else we need to tell y'all. So uh for the second time, and we cut through this, y'all, y'all did it? Yeah? It worked? Yeah, So I do want to say it got down to the last right stuff. The day before, there's there's two things that happened. Um, the day before, which was Wednesday, every single high school student of Klama City walked out wow of school, a bunch of medals at the capitol. Uh. And so that happened. Then the kids walking out that night, we had probably

thousands of people in front the Governor's mansion. One of our pastors got arrested that night. And so the next day is Thursday, where and we a bunch of was went to McAlister. I'm thinking, I'm prepared. I got I got, you know, my people's name number just in case, because I'm thinking I think it was scheduled for four. And so we decided, like at three o'clock, if this don't happen, it has to, IM saying it has to. So so

then that day more kids walked out again. You know what I'm saying, not just okay, see, but like all the schools surrounding and the suburbs, all those schools walked out. And um, and so we got the call like around twelve or one and that the governor had community sentence to life with life without parole, which which is what we were wanting was life with the possibility of parole. So and but he what he did was he said that, um, he can't apply for uh cut parole, a commutation or

cann't see anything ever again. So like now that's the fight we're fighting. But yeah, but we I started to say, we saved his life. He's still alive, still still breathing. I got to see him. I go see him all the time. He's excited to see and meet you. You know what I'm saying. So um yeah. So actually whenever whenever he got moved to the other prison, I got to go to that to the spoties at down performed and I performed, and I did the show and I'm just talking and I didn't get to see him then

because they had him secluded. But all the homies just coming up, like yo, JB. I heard you know propaganda yea, yeah, it's like, can you bring him when you come next time? I was like, yeah, bro, I said, proper, come yo. And so I still got that those forms in my yeah, yeah, get those forms filled out, man, because you know, he was a matter of fact, he was talking to other day about you know, if I get them informs, the problem I was like I sent him, he got him. Yeah,

I just try to remember the dates. But down so even if you can't come for that, we can figure out something else I'm saying, and make it work. But because my other homie, who's who from the East, he's in there too, and uh, he's like he he was like the the biggest producer on in Okoma City at the time, you know what I'm saying. He produced music, He did stuff with Spice one everybody just being out here too. But he's in there with what you call is so his name is Key Tech and he's he

like he's trying to work on other things. They got a music program working on. So it's a lot we can do, bro. But yeah, and I really what I love about this is like you and I hope the listeners cast this like you are regular as naked ye like that just and somehow, you know what I'm saying. It was just like, hey, I guess I'll just I'll

just do it. You know. We talked about real actual power, like political power, and obviously like politicians pay for that you know you you you you you know, hustle and make you know. We watched Kevin McCarthy you know what I'm saying, takeift different, you know, different votes for him

to try to negotiate power. And what I'm saying is like when you when you have something that matters, when you actually represent the people you're supposed to represent and they trust you over years of investment and you just being here and I'm like, I'm no different, Like I'm not I'm not buying y'all's loyalty. I'm saying I'm from the same street you are. That's the homie. Let's make

this happen. And you did. You know what I'm saying is real power and and like again, this is why you on this show because like that's what I'm trying to show, like Young Homies is like you actually you have more power than you think. You know what I'm saying, And you did it, so so let me move you further. So there's, um, there's two other things that are going

on right now, Like Dotson is on the way. Uh So then there's like this East Side project, which I like, as you was explaining it, like I was when I first heard about like crying because going back to like you said, like on the Street ship where it's like like we like people who live and die by these flags, in these neighborhoods filled with buildings they don't own, you know what I'm saying on streets they have no equity in we deing over rented apartments like this ain't even

my you draw lines on the borders. You know what I'm saying. It's like I don't own none of this. Like niggas got a got gainst and built off the names of apartments. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's like you don't even own it, you know what I'm saying. Like you know, so when you think about that, like the hell are we doing? You know what I'm saying? Right, So, then so there's the East Side Project and then there's you know, the its City Council, commissions, Arts Commission, the

Arts Commission. So y'all heard you hearing this? You're hearing this boy talk like you know, like you hear how you talk. There's gonna be pictures online like your regular regular tatted dreadlock and shirt. And I talked the same way at the arts community with the City Council to say with at the Thanksgiving table, you know, you know what I'm saying, Like I don't put this real to take it off. It's really so the East Side Project, I'm gonna tell tell me if I got this wrong.

So that y'allhood right. And there's a series of like sort of like strip mall buildings. We wouldn't call that strip mall, what we call it cer Okay, So it's a bunch of buildings and and um so I know about the tower. I've seen it before. Yeah, I've seen the tower theater which I performed at which used to

be like a porn spot. Right, so they got the building and the homie, the Homie Dotson who's coming in a little later like was part of the mastermind with this, which is like anyway, so you so if you so, if you're you're local owned business, right, you have the access or the ability to place your business there. Right, But then there's another step to where there's equity in the building. So uh, San Dino can probably said better

than I can. But for instance, if you signed as a ten years long if you if you sign signed long term lease, then you get equity. Is that right? Yeah? Did you hear that song? So you so you you're not just written you own it? Yeah, you're owning the block, but h and that, you know, and so I think part of it, part part of the reason that was done is because like there's no secret that all over the country somebody pushed the button and gentrification is happening,

to see what I'm saying. But what what's important is is that is that a lot of these places that make these spots cool, once it becomes cool, they can't afford to be there no more, you know what I'm saying. And so what what uh San Dino and Dots and all these people who are kind of mad to mind this project. I just want to make sure that the community and the people who started are taking care of you know what I mean, whenever the spot, whenever it

does blow up. Yeah, why everybody, like I always say this, like why everybody loves Long Beach, why everybody want to be in Brooklyn and why everybody is is because we died there. We made it cool. So why do you get to you know what I'm saying, Yeah, get the spoils of that. And there's a term in in in education in in Latin like Chicano studies called hint the vacation and hint they just means is like my people so it's like dot com dot com. There isn't hint

dot com. I remember it was kind of like the Black Planet. It was there. Yeah, an of course us in our latinas. But but yeah, that term is the idea of like rather than being gentrified, we're doing it, no doubt. So it's hintification, you know what I'm saying. So like so, and it was weird over here, like you know part of town we had East Low Spoil Heights, Like Boil Heights is such a historical you know, Kano movement, low rider total like it's from here, you know what

I'm saying. But because of that, whenever anything new come around, some of the ogs is like what y'are doing here? It's like it's almost like it's like Oakland, like you're her. It's like, no, homie, you can't have this, Like we we fight back, right, But but some of the spots, like this little like you know, Miss scal kind of like you know, hipster kind of bar kind of opened up and all the drinks are like cor chap like Mescal's,

like it's all like Mexican like Chicano influence. And some of the organizers who are really just Cholos, like they just kind of rolled up, like nigger, what you're doing here? He was like family went to Roosevelt. Like He's like, I'm born and raised here. You see this bullet wound full, like I'm from these streets, you know what I'm saying. So, so it's like, Dann, we can't we can't have craft beer. We can't have good mirror either, you know what I'm saying.

So like so, but but I love what y'all did. That. Y'all took it a step further in the sense that it's like it's not just the business, it's the equity, you know what I mean, It's the ground that we're on. And that's because, like I said, it's our blood that made this area cool. Yeah, because if you think about like an Oklahoma City on the east side, we have an air town called Deep Deep Duce and Deep Dudes

was really like for Oklahoma City. It's like what Black Wall Street of Greenwood was to Tulsa, and um, you know that's what Ralph Ellison was, you know, Uh, Charlie Christian, Um, Jimmy Rushing, like all these people like Duke Ellington would come and play there like you know, what I'm saying, Like the Gregs, it was jazz, it was blues, it was chilling circuit, it was you know, black doctors, all

these things, you know what I'm saying. But now there's there's not a you know what i mean, Like you might have a you know, a name on the on the ground, a plaque or something like that, but none of the distances are black. None of the people live in the in the buildings are black, you know what I mean. And so there's really no trace of us even being there. And so I think about two things.

I think about a like, what we're doing, we're trying to make it to where ten years from now because Santino's family, my family, all I'm saying, we all came from the East. So ten years from now, twenty years from now, no matter what it looks like or where what I'm saying what it is, you will know that we were there, you know what I'm saying. And then the second thing is is that we talked, like you said, we talked about gentrification. But what was that word you saying? Dentification?

So blackification. Yeah, So like the idea is it's like before Deep Duce was deep Dudes, I'm sure it was something else until the blacks came and made it what it was. You know what I'm saying, And that's a good thing. Somebody asked me, like, well, what if you know, so you cool with all these rich black people come to the East Side and moving back. I said, yeah, if they're black, that's what we're trying to do. It's that's different if if there's all And it's important to

understand the difference, right, and and what that does. What that does for a little black kid to come inside of business and see a black owner, see somebody black running it, it's totally different then what it does to a little black kid just be coming into a business that in the neighborhood where he grew up in. He feels uncomfortable now because you know, you know what I mean. And it's like it's like I'll talk about this too. It's like you're you're you're painting a full picture because

we have South Central and Baldwin Hills. The last night at South Central now it's Central, so it's just they called South l A. But none of us, yeah, none of us, Yeah, none of us, none of us recognize that. You know what I'm saying, but like, but but the thing is, it's like your your cousin might bang and he black, but maybe your but your school principle is

also black, you know what I'm saying. So you're seeing a full gambit that it's we're not just this, we're also that, you know what I mean, And and you can find yourself in that spectrum, which I think is a beautiful thing man, And and and that's like, that's so that's the important thing because for black people, especially in Oklahoma City, like there's always somebody white you have to go through to get anything done, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm sure everything that he does, everything

I've done, we in order to like to get it signed, to get it, you know, anything, you always have to go through a layer of white people, you know what I'm saying. And so we're trying. So it's so it's important for us to build that power, that community power of people that look like us, and so that we can take care of ourselves and then the people who come who have come behind us, you know what I mean.

The street music, economics, and now political power all sort of grew out of the same j B experience and then so what you said before of like I am not going to squander what I went through. Now you can use it. Yeah, you reminding me, Um, just like the political power right. You know, we had a bunch of racists that just happened in Oakleman City. Oh yeah, we ah boy, you've been trolling. Oh yeah him he

uh what's his name? I'm like Ryan Walters, but but he's a he's a Yeah, he's definitely trolling and he's really trying to appeal to that base of like just racist and don't make sense. I'm like, I like like, I like, I don't even make sense, like no no sense at all. But I knew we had that we

had the governor's race. Um, but for us, and I felt like my community, the most important race was the District attorney race, the d A race that and so um you know when and I always said, man, I don't want to sign my name to no politician because you never know like when they get in, like how they're gonna switch with the and then and so I look like I'm wild because I don't brought all these niggas into like this person and they you know what

I'm saying. Yeah, So Um, but this, I knew that the d A race was important for Julius Jones, and it's important for every homie who I know who got a case coming up, or who might get caught up in the case eventually. And um. And so what I did was we had a candidate. Her name is Vicki Bahenna. She was over the Innocence Project. I went and met with her. I told her, you know, I said, man, we want Julius Jones out. I said, we don't want people. We don't want people to be going to prison. You

know what I'm saying. We were trying to change the way the criminal justice system looks. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, and she wants the same things we wanted. Now she did say, listen, you know, you know I don't want to se people to prison either, but some people are gonna end up going to prison. And I said, I said, okay, as long as we say that to the people though, you know what I'm saying, and we say we don't want nobody to go to prison.

We say this person is not gonna not gonna be whenever they see you come to court, and it ain't gonna be like, oh, I didn't seen this person before. It's just the drug deal, the just the game member, you know what I'm saying. I got homies who got cases, who never been in choke before the d A walk in and be like, oh, yeah, I've seen this case before, drug deal going back, you know what I'm saying. Like, so, like, we don't don't we want to we want to change that.

And so what idea was as I got her in the ruins with the homies, got in the ruins with cribs, got in the rooms of blood, got in the rooms on the east Side last week to the people for real, for real, and said, listen, if we don't win nothing else, if you don't do nothing else, we gotta get this person in so that we changed the way the criminal justice system is done in Oklahoma. And she won, what

I'm saying, and so like yeah, something like that. Yeah, And the effects of something like that a It shows people that they actually have power, you know what I'm saying. Their vote actually counts and it matters. And then it also shows her like listen, we're not just numbers. Yeah, this community matters, see what I'm saying, and we will pull up Yeah, and we will pull up, you know, and so um. But yeah, you know she just got sworn in in January, so you know she she is

doing all the things already. So I'm excited, man. But I just want to say, like just for the political part that you know, it's important that you know, we we really try to get behind and work with people who affect us the most and directly now now the governor and all those other things. Yes, those are that's that's still local, local politics. But I understood. I'm in Oklahoma County, and Oklahoma County is different than all these these weird, weird real counties that we got. Yeah, well

you just gave us the wrap up I needed. It's such a perfect Jim j V. Thank you so much, man, Man, thank you man. I appreciate you. Man. Drop your socials and websites. Okay, before I do, I got I just got saved. Man. You know, I don't do all stuff by myself. Also, I got my bro Sat Dino Thompson, uh Jonathan Dawson, UH C. C. Jones, Davis Antoninette Jones. That's Julius's sister, Roland H. Jess Eddie Free Julius Jones LaRue Bratcher, my cousin Marquis Badass, my brother promised, these

my sister lives. These are all people that I work with and helped me do what I do whole time. To Michael McBride, old team. That's beautiful, man. So yeah, tell me the websites. Uh, my name is JB dot com or at my name is JB on all the social media things. I'm mostly active on face for me on Instagram and Twitter, and I'm just now learning TikTok. But but my name is j B and j B spelled j A B. Thank you, my brother, Thank you man. Amazing.

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