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FEAR THE CLAP BACK

Jun 09, 202129 minSeason 1Ep. 21
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It seemed so random to me that an entire nation would act like something we all saw happen, didn't happen. Turns out its the same reason you don't roast some Aunties, its the fear of the clap back. scored by @headlights_music theme music by @djsean P

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Yo, y'all remember this bar dog I think it was Danks was eleven years ago seeing a light skin good with his brains blown out at the same liquor store that hangs out. Now, this is not a tape recorder saying daddy did it, But every since that day I was looking at it different that what we've done. Anyway, that's an old school Kendrick bar. But it expresses how the hood got secrets, and they often are the worst kept secrets, like we all know. So I don't nobody

saying nothing. Well, it's the fear of the clapback Hood politics, y'all, little politics, y'all, What up? What up? What up? Welcome back to another episode of Her Politics where we go through some sort of hot take or issue happening in our politics, go sphered local and GEO and try to help you get your brain around it. So y'all know, President Biden stood up and said, I'm gonna acknowledge the

Armenian genocide. And then it was really a big deal because I know Surge from the system of a Down was on the news, and if you anywhere around fifteen year radius of my age, then if Surge says something it's law because Surge could do no wrong. System of a down can do no wrong. I don't care what nobody say. He got up and acknowledged it, and Surge was like, yeah, I'm really happy. I hope this is

the beginning of some healing. But maybe you asked the same question I asked where I was like, why is this a big deal? We all knew what happened. I want to talk today about the Armenian genocide. Let me help you understand what's going on in here. There's an importance in inner city living that pretending has Pretending is necessary.

Pretending like we don't know what happened, And a lot of that has to do with our just long standing understanding of just kind of minding your own business, and minding your own business is a safety precaution, it's self preservation. Oftentimes you hear some drama happening next door or or down the street, or some rivalhoods, or somebody got beef with somebody. Your best bet is to just stay out of it, because you're not trying to catch no strays.

You don't want to inherit somebody else's beef. You know, you being a club, somebody recognized you as being affiliated with this for all of a sudden, Now you're in some static like sometimes, man, look, I ain't signed up for all that. That's you on your own, homie. I'm going a slide, you know. So there's a lot of staying out of it that kind of happened, and it's staying out of it, like I said, as a calculation, it's self preservation. It's like I just I don't know nothing.

I ain't seen nothing, which is not necessarily the snitching rule, because snitching has much more to do with whether you were signed up for this gang life or not. You know, if you're not signed up for this snitcher, don't count the old lady that testifies that she saw baby Doo look and little lunch meat on the corner. I do know a dude named little lunch Meat on the corner. She's not snitched. That's a civilian. She's not snitching, and

she just lives here. It don't count. Now if you signed up for that life and you up there testifying, oh you knew the rule, you you know better. You signed up for this. You didn't broke a card the lawd that's different. I'm talking about staying out of it. I'm also talking about the fact that, like, listen, you know, good and Well, who broke it to your house? You know, good and dog Ah, well, who stole your bike? You know exactly, you know who shot that food, you know

who robbed it. We all know. It's the worst kept secret, but everybody knows to just kind of shut up and pretend. And a lot of times the question if you can like kind of snap out of the simulation and just kind of be like, well, why why is we pretending? I mean we all why are we all not saying, well, we all know this is so silly. We're all looking at each other and we both know what happened. This is so silly. It's just pretended. It is important, and

it's important mainly for fear of the clap back. You can't have nobody clap back. I guess I should pause here and say, what is a clap back? When people start making fun of each other, that's called clapping. You know what I'm saying. Clap actually came from the sound of a gun. When you pull back the hammer and it hits the thing, it's called the clap. You make a gun clap the same thing as making your booties clap right, to make it clap, it's the clap right.

But when somebody shoots back, that's clapping back. So when you shoot back with a gun, yo, we're gonna clap back. But when you shoot back with the joke, like when you're roasting somebody, yo, that's the clap back. There was memes going around during the holiday a few years back about the Thanksgiving and Christmas clap backs. You know what I'm saying. It's like when you start dissing auntie and auntie got something to say to you back. You know what I'm saying, Like, Yo, your auntie say, hey, I

heard your grades were struggling. You know, thanks her head, and you like, uh, like that button hole in your jeans. Together, hit another one. Your auntie like, yo, why you mitch matching your socks? And you like why your kids got mitch match dads. It's the clap back. So you better not bring nothing up unless you're ready. You feel me, you're ready for the clap back, You shut your mouth. You ain't ready for no clap back. Now, these are funny ways to talk about something very serious. I want

to talk about the Armenian genocide. I'm gonna today give you a history as to what that is. And then I'm trying to answer a few questions that I know I've always had to where I'm like, like, why is this a thing that's so hard to acknowledge? Like why is everyone on edge about something we obviously knew happened. If you're driving down the sixty Freeway right outside of East Los Angeles, right before you get into Mana below, there's a monument for the Armenian genocide. But it's such

a big deal. Every time, you know, we get a new president, they talk about acknowledging the Armenian genocide and why that's such a big deal, and then they threatened to do it. You know, it was Ronald Reagan who first called it a genocide, right, and then every president since like, oh i'mna acknowledge it. Oh I'm gonna say it happened right in Turkey, Like don't you say it? Don't you say that? Don't you say that? Like I don't understand, like we all know what happened. Why Why

why has everybody pretended like this ain't go down? What's the basis? Why not just admitted? Why is it such a big deal. Why is Turkey like y'all ain't allowed to say this, don't nobody say this happened? It's like food, it happened, Like we all no, what are you talking about? Why is Turkey so hell bit to stop everybody from acknowledging it? And why is we so scared to say the obvious? What's the basis? Why don't you just admit it? I think there's three reasons, and the main one is

the fear of the clap packack clack back. Now, before I get into the other two or even express what I mean by the clap back, let me give you a little history as to like what the Armenian genocide is. Now, this has taking place around World War One, Okah, we're talking about the Ottoman Empire here. What had happened was there was this political movement called the Young Turks, right, and they were worried about the hertification of the Ottoman Empire. Right.

What that means is like Turkey for Turks. And I don't know if any of that sounds familiar America for Americans. You know what I'm saying, Just this like strong nationalist push right, and then just like the Nazis. They had to turn we need to solve the Armenian problem gods, just like they had the Jewish problem. Whenever you get that phrase, it's just like it's all bad. They were

saying that Turkey has too many of these Christian Armenian people. Remember, like the Ottoman Empire is a Muslim empire, right, So in nineteen fourteen or the Ottoman like military rounded up the Armenian gentry and just deported them. So when I say the gentry, I mean like these are like the educated, the well to do people of their community. Right, they just rounded them up and was just like deuces, y'all

gotta go. Then they went into the villages out in these rural communities and just like straight up burned the villages down. This mug like this happened, you know what I'm saying, just burned the mug down. They imprison the men resistors were killed, and the rest were rounded up on this train and just dropped off in the Syrian desert, just left to die. I mean, it's unthinkable. The way that I'm saying this is clearly not doing it justice.

Like this was horrible and if you know any Armenians now like the trauma still sitting their bones like this was. It was awful, just dropped off in the desert, just everybody. There's no way to like know how many people actually died in this is disputed, Like the Armenians say one point five million people died. Now the Turkish government is like, god's more like three thousand, as if that's any better.

But anyway, Turkey during this time was making this calculation ship and they ended up clicking up with Germany, so they was on the axis side of World War One. Now, history is the greatest teacher. Obviously that was a gross miscalculation. They have regretted that decision because right after that, once they lost and we started forming the League of Nations, all the international tribunals, uh y'all committed some crimes against humanity.

You you you gotta deal with this, right, So the leaders of so there was three main pashas will Pashas like a title phrase. I don't want to try to say their their names because I don't want to. I don't mean disrespectful, but either way, it's three guys that are gonna have to answer to these international courts about these crimes against humanity and these dudes. They were sentenced to death because like, these are crimes against humanity, right,

and y'all gotta die. After this was after they lost World War One, them foods escaped and them three dudes bounced homie skipped town. They was in Russia, they was in Germany, gone in the wind. And when they was hiding in Germany, that's when the story started getting spun about, like yo, this was justifiable homicide. Like hold up, man,

They was doing this. They was protecting their nation. And you could see how Germany is like spinning this story because they're getting their old story together about like, well, I mean that's what we was doing over here. We were just protecting the hood, you know what I'm saying, Like, yo, we was getting ran out of our own businesses. I see what I see you Turkey, Like y'all was doing the same thing. Man, No, I get why y'all had to do that. You was, you was protecting your block,

right right. And then eventually there was this thing called the Operation Nemesis where basically since Armenians was like, look, y'are not gonna do ship. Remember what I told you about that shot young ship? Right, So since nobody was doing shit. They were like, okay, we need to take the us into our own hands. So they ran up to America, ran up to some other of the Allied powers and they was like, look, doc, we put him on trial and niggas escaped. They got away with it.

What we're gonna do? And then so we was like, all right, well green lightning, go get your dude. Right, So this guy Ted larry On ended up killing I mean point blank styles like bullet under the ear and ran up on him and was like my black punk like murdered this food. And then this Pasha's body he got, he got merked in Germany, in Berlin because he was hiding out there. The German governant like flew this dude back to Turkey and was like calling this man like

a hero. And at the whole time, like the Armenians are like, nigga hero, he's a fugitive. The hell are y'all talking about? Right? What did you talking about? So all of us know that this happened, So why not just take it on the chair. I'll tell you after the right. So what's the big deal? Why not just acknowledge what we already knows happens. One would sometimes maybe like flash to like the Holocaust deniers, but like it's okay, their answer is obvious, you know what I'm saying, because

they like that one's easy, that's that's stupid. But why would we just kind of like how you got monuments off the side of the road but then won't like formally acknowledge and who cares whether you formally acknowledge it or not it happened. Yeah, I'm saying, you ever broke up with somebody another person, don't think y'all broken up? Like, don't care what you say, like were not together? You say? Number one? The answer for why you don't say who

broke into these houses? Why you don't acknowledge what the hood already knows. Worst kept secret is fear of the clap back. What would be the clap back if America acknowledges the genocide of the Armenians by Turkey. Well, Turkey gave one clap back already. Turkey's president looked at camera in both of his eyes and he was like, will acknowledge this genocide? If America acknowledges what they did to the Native Americans, Whoo, that's a clap back. US. Listen

when you're in the hood, nobody hands clean. You understand what I'm saying. So before you start saying, hey didn't you break into this fool's house, they could be like, hey, didn't you robbed that nigga last week? So before you start talking, you want me to shut up, and then you need to shut I'll acknowledge this, nigga. When you acknowledge that, I'll acknowledge this. When you start talking about

the atrocities, nigga, what's up with it? Oh, you want to talk genocide Because you want to talk genocide, its entire tribes that don't exist. You want to talk genocide, big homie. You want to talk atrocities when you're gonna pay reparations. I think it's best you leave us to our own devices and mind your own business. Who you think you dealing with? Who fear to clap back? Big homie?

You better shut your mouth. There was one time a while back when Pope Francis actually called the Armenian genocide the first genocide in the twentieth centie. Everybody know about the Jewel and he was like, yo, Pope friends was like, no, that was the first genocide. Turkey reacted to that Turkey. I'm a quoted. Turkey recalled its Vatican ambassador and accused

the Pope of having discriminated about people suffering. The Pope overlooked the atrocities that the Turks and Muslims have suffered in World War One and only highlighted the Christians suffering, especially that of the Armenian people. That's what the Turkeys foreign Menisterine said. The minister I got this from a BBC article about these wars in Europe during this time. Now, I think again, that's super interesting because he looking and

he's like, man, that's real convenient. It's real convenient that you. Yeah, I mean, it seems it seemed pretty easy for you to acknowledge what happened to them Christians. But you ain't got nothing to say about when our Muslim family was wiped out. You ain't got nothing to say about that. You could stretch that to right now. It's like, oh, that's interesting. You got all this jewice, you got all this smoke, you know what I'm saying, all this wolf

and you're doing about Israeli living conditions. You got nothing to say about the Palestinians though. That's interesting. Fan. You seem to have select select hearing and remembrance of atrocities. It sounds to me like, you know what I'm saying, you're afraid of that clap back. You better shut your mouth because those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. We all know that, one homie, you're afraid of the clap back, it's best you shut your mouth

because you got blood on your hands too. And also, for a long time, america stance was like I said, what we do in the hood, you mind your own business. Look, I wasn't over there. I don't know no, But look, I'm cool with both of y'all. You know what I'm saying. Like we got we got our medians here, we got turks here. Look, look that's y'all's beef. I don't want to be in the middle of that, right Look, I need to be cool with both of y'all, like I

need y'all both. So America kind of took a position for a long time like, look, there's none of our business. Here's the problem with that. Though you seem to find O business, you seem to find a lot of other ship around the world. Is your business? I think that's I mean, was kawait your business was Venezuela. Your business would the concerts? Your business was Naraguay with your your business nick it, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan? Was any of that your business? Why all of a sudden, this ain't

your business. You gotta be careful. Fan, watch out for that clap back. I mean, the same thing happening here. Well, o, man, I stay out of that. Oh word, you stayed out of that. That's interesting, Okay, you're afraid of that clap back?

Number two. I think another thing that happened is here is you could get hit with the Well technically that that that should happened in the hood all the time, where it's just like well technically, you know, uh, he really had no business walking down the street anyway, you know. And I mean well, I mean I shot him, but like well, I mean, well, technically I ain't kill him, you know what I'm saying, Like the hood killed him. That wasn't me, though, I mean, well, technically he tried

to rob us and I just clapped it back. Well, technically, the word genocide didn't exist until after Article two of the U N Convention on Genocide in This happened in nineteen fourteen. This a long time ago, and it describes genocide as carrying out acts intended to destroy and whole or a part a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. They like, that's not what we was doing. Wasn't organized. It's like, listen, what had happened was we was beefing

with these foods for a long time. Y'all stepped into a local thing. Y'all don't understand. And genocide implies premeditation orchestration. But so so they was like, listen, we ain't or and straight this thing. This just kind of happened. And it's not like we're trying to wipe them up out the face of the earth, like this wasn't It wasn't like that, we just ain't want them here. And they're like, yeah,

we will admit that we committed atrocities. But the idea that this was like a systematic approach to like destroy Christian Armenians, They're like, nah, this was war. We was like a whole lot of time on Turkey said like mad Muslim Turks like died in this war, to which a lot of us are saying, nigga, what war, what are you talking about? What what are you talking about? But they can hit us with. What had happened was we'll see y'all, we wasn't there, you know, and technically, no,

don't get me wrong. Okay, now listen then listen, listen, listen, listen. I slapped the ship out of this nigga, I know that, But like y'all don't get the whole picture though, you know, you weren't there. You know what I'm saying, like, it ain't It ain't what he's saying. It's not how they're saying it. You feel me, No, No, I hit him, you know. So they're like, look, yeah, okay, so okay, we did this ship, but it's not like y'all saying like I ain't. No. First of all, genocide didn't even exist.

It wasn't even a word. How are you gonna call this? That's not a thing that can hit you with a well technically, I mean, are they right? I mean to which I think, Well, we didn't know what the word vitamin was until modern age. But it's not like vitamins didn't exist, that they weren't inside of our food and keeping us alive. Just because we didn't call it a vitamin, ain't mean that wasn't what it was and thirdly, which I also think is probably one of the most powerful ones,

which is, oh, but y'all need me. Turkey can always say that, yeah need me. So the US government has I mean, they held back for decades because Turkey is the second biggest military power in NATO. Nigger they got guns. And even though the US hosts the largest Armenian diaspora after Russia, like they talked about like over over a million,

we still kind of need Turkey. So when Kendrick said, listen, I'm not gonna tell you that blank, which sounded like James because it reminds with brains anyway, He's like, I'm just gonna look at you all different. What we learned from that is, oh, they shoot, They're not afraid to pull triggers. Them niggas got the black they got them things. I need y'all to stay on my side because if it gets hot over here, would you rather have on your side the hunter or the hunted. I'm just saying

it's strategy. And Turkey can always say that to the US, like, oh, no, nigga, you need us. Look around where we are. Nigga's don't really like you over here anyway. So if you're gonna be good over here if you won't keep your hood past in the Middle East, Nick, you better shut your mouth.

Be careful now, everybody hands ain't clean. Remember, I can clap back, I can hit you on the technicality, but more importantly, I pull triggers because and you need me over here, because niggas don't like you on this side of town. So before you start blabbing the obvious, I need you to remember, nigga, you need us. I think the last question I would ask is like, so, what's in it for Turkey? Though not the Ottoman Empire number? Why don't you just take it on the chain? Here's

what my hood Antennas would pick up on. They took a major l in World War One. I don't think you understand how large the Ottoman Empire was. I don't think we really understand, like what was happening in Turkey in from fourteen hundreds on, Like that was the Muslim world was the center of all progression, all progress, libraries, science, math, art, literature. They dethroned Rome, Like let's okay, are we like remembering this?

Constantinople became is Stanbul? Stanbul was Constantinople like the they like, are y'all this is the glory days man, y'all just google of aase like you know that big painting when Logic made his album cover and it was the painting of like the School of Athens. There's a dude over there in the corner and turban that's a bearweze. Do not sleep on the Ottoman Empire. I know, we Westerners over here you don't learn much about like Muslim culture.

But listen, I'll tell you one or two things happened different America Muslim country. Listen, do not sleep on the Ottoman Empire. Y'all don't understand how boss moves. The Ottoman Empire was. This was a major l because then niggas don't lose. They haven't lost in a long time. So would you want to admit it because that's an unraveling of your mythology. You're really trying to unravel your mythology like that. And I mean as a historian again, everybody

take else. Nobody's hands are clean. Just like in the hood, everybody take else, and anyone can get touched. We really trying to unravel your mythology. Remember they got away with it. The dudes that did it win in the hiding, they got away, and then they backed the wrong horse because Germany failed. So you're big homies like they're gone. You're really trying to go down with those fools. You're really trying to be remembered in history the two largest crimes

against humanity in the twentieth century. You really trying to be on that list. I mean, I'm not the biggest hell of the world. I ain't trying to be on that list. So anyway, a lot of times you make moves you're afraid of that clap back and at the end of the day look as crooked as gangster, as wild as somebody is. If you ain't good over there, if you ain't good in that hood, you ain't gonna pass.

You need some homies on that side of town. Oh we need Turkey because we ain't good in the Middle East, except for maybe the Southeast. That's because we'll be selling them guns. Anyway, I'm not saying this right or wrong. I'm just saying his hood because after all politics, this just gang banging in nice suits, y'all. This mug was recorded and edited by me propaganda right here in East

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