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Bangin in little rock with SHAD

Mar 23, 202255 minSeason 1Ep. 62
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Bangin in little rock was a documentary about the first crip gang in Arkansas. All of LA watched in awe as we saw LAs greatest export in action. Today we talk to Canadian artist and host of Hiphop Evolution, Shad about Americas newest export, Trumpian Nationalism  

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Okay, a whole other podcast. It is called why are We Here? Why are We Here? First of all, so one thing that I always try to explain when I visit my cousins in Rwanda. Yeah, they're like, so, so then you get used to the cold. I'm like, no, no, did you never get used to it? It's a necessary evil. Uh, that's really unnecessary. Every every single time is minus fifteen. You feel it every day. You don't even get used to it for like a day. Yeah, I can't imagine.

I just feel like weather should never be in the way, Like it should be something I don't I lightly think about, like, oh, it looks like it's a little chilly, I'll put on a jacket today, but not like, oh I have to go outside and do an hour of manual labor to get my car out. Like that's just this. No one should live like this. I have stories for you, bro,

Like it doesn't it doesn't make sense. First of all, when my family came to Canada, my parents were like, we had never spoken to anyone about the weather before. That's all about it. No, And it's all these people want. It's all these people ever talked about. Oh my god, that is hilarious. Y'all was like, Hey, where y'all want to go? Let's about Canada? All right, she's pretty easy, like you know, I mean, you're afterkids, which makes it even better and it makes me look. Look, the reality

is that even Canadians don't talk about very much. Is like this is a place full of desperate or formally desperate people. Yeah, that's all it is. I never thought of that. It's all it is. Is just like it was either death over there or a frozen tundra. Oh my got okay, so we already recorded. Let me talk to you all about my man, Shad. Shad say what's up to the folks? What's up everybody? I'm glad to

be here. Yes you are, Yes you should be. And because you're getting a little bit of sun through although it's kind of drizzly today, but I'm in a short sleeve T shirt. Um, Shad, I think, Oh that's all just uh, that was my alarm. I'm gonna turn it off so you have no more interruptions. Oh man, you was really sorry? Go ahead, go ahead, all good. So it's Shad to me? Was it this like this equal

parts to where I was a fan of him? From Afar and had a million people tell me you need a connect chat and need connect chat, and I was like, Okay, it'll happen, you know what I'm saying, Like, well, we'll figure it out at some point, you know. But when we did connect, there was like equal parts of me is like did I just meet my twin? My twin? And the other part was just this slow realization that Shad has figured out how to be a star and

not a celebrity. Like how you met because we walking through Toronto on New Year's and freely and I'm thinking to myself, this guy is one of the most decorated artists in Canada, like he just I'm like, how are you doing this? So like this y'all Americans, Cha has one the equivalent of like Michael Jackson level of of Grammys in Canada. And we're just getting pancakes, like like, how let's eat doing this? Look? Life is uh to me,

It's all about what you want, you know. I just I love the I love the work, I love music. And then you know, you know how it is. I mean we are twins. Like when we hang out, it's like it's like, yeah, we basically agree on everything. We could essentially be talking to ourselves, you know what I mean. Yes, this is the strangest thing. I was like, how is a person from a whole other cut out? Like why are we? How are our brains melded? So it's just

crazy a lot of same interest. This guy is an encyclopedia of nineties basketball trivia, uh, and it makes it in the lyrics. So if you ever have a question as to like who is the you know, Western Conference champion in n just pull up one of Chad's albums and there's a reference somewhere in there hidden in a are yes thousand percent? Or just hit me with a d M. I got the answer for you this problem.

And lastly, as in this love fest for Chad, is uh the Michael Jordan's poetry book that can you please just set this up for these people, like, so we're watching you're watching the Jordan series. I'm watching the Last Dance the Jordan's series, and uh, there's a moment that stood out to me. I don't know if it stood out to other people, but it's in the last episode and Steve Kerr former Bowl is talking about a ceremony that Phil Jackson had before the end of their last season.

Mm hmm. And he and Phil Jackson, you know, he's like he's a coach, but he's a spiritual cat, and he's like, I want us to all write something down, you know, get together in a circle, writes something down on a piece of paper and then burn it in the middle, you know, and it will be like our goodbye and Steve and Steve Kerrs like you know, it was unusual ceremony, but it was really cool and everybody

you know, got emotional, really got into it. And Michael Michael actually wrote a poem and I was like he did, whoa, whoa what? Oh my god, Michael Jordan's wrote a poem, read it to his teammates and it's just burned out like that should be like this should be in the Smith's audio. Yes, I would have been diving into the fire, yes, to rescue this undoubtedly horrible, hilarious poem. There's no question about mind. This boat is terrible, terrible, But it's Michael Jordan's.

So it's Michael Jordan, who like notoriously has no feelings, trying to like write about his feelings like this has to be the best worst piece of poetry, Like so I had to do the only thing that I could do, which is right about twelve poems in the voice of Michael Jordan's Oh my God, yeah, and like twenty extra points. If y'all go find them from where We're not gonna tell them where they are, but they own the internet.

You have to go bus. Yeah. I found uh. I found a photo of Michael Jordan with like a backwards kangle hat, looking kind of looking kind of sensitive, and I just set up an i G poetry profile. I had to. There was no I feel like you did. I remember that moment watching that. I just went huh. When he said he did it, I just went huh. And I was waiting for them to recite the poem for us something on the show, and I was like, oh, y'all just not gonna tell us what's in the poem. Huh.

Just moved gone. But I was just like, Michael wrote a poem, huh. And we read it aloud, and he read it aloud, and I'm like, nobody, you're not gonna mention that. No one's gonna talk about You're not gonna talk about it, Okay. I just moved off. But like for you to be like oh no, no, no, no no, no, no, no no, we're not moving on. No we're not We're not moving on. We are not moving on from this. Yes,

I so perfect. One more thing, the host of Hip Hop Evolution on Netflix is the season five where you talk about Christian rappers, So I could be on it. I got it, I got it, religion and rap. I'm telling you, it's the whole show. What's that I said? Religion and rap. It's a whole show. You can talk about will Tang centers, you know what I'm saying anyway, honestly, and Kanye and Kendrick and everything. You can go global with it, like, yes, that would be an amazing, amazing, um, amazing,

amazing show. I think so too, which I just want to be on it now. Uh, let's get to what we want to talk about here. So you were the first perfect person to talk about this, because again, whoever I have as guests on there, this this this weird vin diagram of people who understand urban hip hop, gang life, pop culture and can speak with some semblance of intelligence about government, of politics, geopolitics, stuff like that. So it's a very small circle. So having said that, my Canadian friend,

do you remember the documentary Banging in Little Rock. Um No, like the name, the name comes to mind, and then you brought it up to me. Yes, so yes, Banging in Little Rock. It was this nineties like documentary about this crip gang in Little Rock, Arkansas. And I remember as an l a boy seeing this and in relation with most of our friends and family, you know who from the city, it was like we saw a dynasty. It was like you saw extinct species, like what is this?

What what has happened? Like it was so intriguing, like what like there's cripts outside of here, you know, and then following the story of how that happened and all this, and we were just like, of all the things to export out of California, this is what we didn't exported. Like it's just I even think about, like another great

export of the United States is racism. It's what just we we exported pretty well, especially if you're looking at like I mean, my man hit Or in World War two was like, yo, let me tell you where I got this idea from? Jim Crow South That's it's that's where I got it from. You know. So like there's that but just the understanding of like thinking back to I think. I mean I brought this up before on

some old episodes. When like we're hit in middle school is usually like six seventh eighth grade is when the recruiting for for for the gangshit starts getting really intense. And um, generally, if you have a if you if a kid start getting in trouble, a lot of times it's like you gotta go. They gotta go spend the summer what they Auntie and Atlanta or d C or South Carolina because they're trying to get him out of trouble.

And then eventually Homie moves and it's like, oh man, he had to go live with his auntie and we don't at that point that person ceases to exist in our mind. Uh you know what I'm saying. But you just forget that. Like if baby Doo Loo, you know, in eighth grade just got shipped off to Arkansas, what is he gonna do? He gonna start to set out there, You're set like, and it's like, you know, your whole your uncle probably gang bang too, and he would just

happen to be outside over there. Yeah, the whole thing ends up being me unplugging my headphones. I lost my headphones for a second area. But yeah, and then it just ends up being Yeah, the hood just gets exported. And I was like, of course they're gonna have gangs over there, you know what I'm saying, Like we just I've ever thought about that. Mm hm m hm. You know what you and um you Immerse are the people

that explained the l A gang situation to me. Oh work as as outsider, because um, when we would film for Hip Hop Evolution, we go everywhere, right, and I always come back and I tell people l A is the place where I would get killed because l A is so it's it's very it's very wild, right, but it looks so beautiful. So my Canadian temperament would just be like, oh my god, it's magic hour. It's so beautiful. I'm gonna go for a walk. And this neighborhood looks Look,

this neighborhood looks nice, bunch of bungalow's palm trees. That's why everybody who comes out here and visit says, it's like, I don't ever know when I've entered a zone like you just every other place in the world, you know,

when you're in the hood. Yeah, like a Favella, like you know when you're there, Like if you go through the crunchhall there, that's why I tell people like we're nipsy and the from Like you go through the crunchhall district, those are nice houses, like it's it's a nice area. It's a nice area on a nice day. And then and then people who just walk up to and be like what are you doing here? Yeah? Hey, where are you from? Like why is you? What did you doing?

Just camera out like you crissaw slas. You need to get out of here. I don't know what you think this is. This is not yes, no, it's not. And you dip through a side street like and you're just like, oh man, it's you know, it's traffic on this major street. I'm just gonna dip through the side street. Then you dip through the stide street and you just see all blue everything and forty five dudes hanging out on the corner and you're like, a you stuck, now, bro now

you're here. I don't know it to tell yummy, just just look straight ahead, just road, just keep looking straight ahead, keep going, you know. So it was you in conversation with you immersive like broke it down for me and explained to me what was going on, because I was like, honestly, I went last six months. I just you need a tour guy. Yeah, you need a tour guy because you know,

I just showed you the snow out here. Like when it's summer in Canada, we just walk around everywhere because it's finally sunn so finally how I'm not gonna sit inside you crazy. We don't go in our cars. We walk around. Let me see this neighborhood. I've never been over there. It's clearly obvious which part of like Vancouver or Toronto you ain't supposed to go to. It's obviously I ain't going over there. Thank that is oh uh so so so yeah, so you know you broke it

down for me. So I got I'm glad to be your your Canadian correspondent and trying to explain to you. Yes, some of the things that are going on here. Yeah, you've you've exported. Um, I don't know how far to go back. Okay, so when Trump was elected, I'll just start there first. There for me, when Trump was elected, the Conservative Party here, the I guess the rough equivalent of the Republican Party the right wing mainstream party. Yeah, they tried to get a leader that was a celebrity,

that was a media figure. Um, this guy Kevin O'Leary, who was one of our uh, you guys have Dragon's den there, shark tank, shark tank. Yours just called shark tank? Are is it called dragons? Okay? So much so so the meanest you know, business guy from our shark tank was in the running for the leadership of the Conservative Party, which is our equivalent of the Republican Party, but ultimately

the membership rejected him. So so that to me was a significant moment of like, we saw that work for you guys, but we're like, we're not gonna you know, our our Republicans are right wing party, was like, we're not gonna do that Trump thing. Okay. So all that to explain like Trump and Trump is, um is not popular or mainstream here the way that it is there, okay, or at least it wasn't here we go here comes to banging in little rock moment, I'm like, what are

y'all doing? Or at least or at least it wasn't, you know. So the most recent leader of that party was this guy, Um Aaron O'Toole, who is relatively he's he's very center, right, Okay, he's I would call him the equivalent of like a John McCain, Mney, John McCain, a mid Romney and John McClain kind of center right, classic, you know, institutional, institutional, classic guy, you know, right way back. But they just booted him and it seems like they're

gonna pivot a little bit harder, right. So that's that's some. And then of course there's the trucker what is called the Freedom Convoy or the trucker Convoy. I don't like calling them the trucker convoy because of truckers are vaccinated and working. That's what That's what I wanted to bring up. I was like, I just when I read this thing, I was like, wait, but yes, like that's you still have been if you have a nine on a test like you, that's an a you got most of the answers, right,

you know what I'm saying. So you tell me ninety out of a hundred, I'm already got vaccines and are like whatever, we're doing what we gotta do. That's it. So according to the you know, the Official Truckers Association of truckers are vaccinated, are working, and they officially disavowed this movement. That's crazy. The um the Teamsters Union of Trucker's officially disavowed is this movement? So like calling it as a trucker convoy is a misnomer. Okay, okay, So

let's start there. Um. That being said, these changes are afoot. So they like they kicked out the center right guy. The party seems to be going more hard right, um, and then this movement started up. Now, this movement started like three weeks ago. This is I'm about to explain how it all seems very sinister to me. Okay, good, I was like Google, do do to teach it? Okay, So let me explain how it all seems very sinister to me and in line with what you're saying about

the banging in Little Rock okay, okay. So, so the mainstream right wing party seems to be going more hard right then this Freedom Convoy thing. So it started out maybe four weeks ago as being about a vaccine mandates against trucker's. That's what they yeah, going in and out of the country, that's what they were saying that that's what this protest is about to be about. And they were saying that that's an important thing because the truckers affect the supply chain and we can't take more hits

to the supply chain. It's affecting the cost of goods for all Canadians. Okay, that what they said it was about. But as we know, truckers are vaccinated and working. Also, fast forward three or four weeks to now, and the protest is blocking the borders and the supply chain. So there's that. So they're doing the opposite of what they

were saying that they're trying to prevent. They're trying they said at the start, we're trying to prevent disruptions to the supply chain, and now they are actively disrupting the supply chain. They blocked the bridge between Detroit and Windsor, which is like the biggest trade point between a mayor in Canada. It's the biggest trade point in Canada. Yeah, by far, and they've blocked it for a week. Um Our Premier, which is the equivalent of our governor, had

to declare state of emergency to clear that bridge. I saw that today, right, So so they started saying they're about one thing and less than a month later, they're doing the opposite thing. So after they kind of abandoned being about truckers, they kind of said that they were about um vaccine mandates in general. Yeah, that you shouldn't make us do this, that that you shouldn't make us

do this. Okay, But but but then I'm looking at my first images of the protests and all I see is Canadian flags flying, and I'm like, what does that have to do with vaccines? Yeah, what does that have to do with vaccines? So then that that starts the third pivot. So then it's not really about vaccines. It's only a little bit about vaccines. It's about freedom. Yeah, and it's about nationalism in a way that is really Trumpian very much so, and Trump is supporting it. He's

a vocal supporter. Fox News is a vocal supporter. Yeah. This is even before Canadian media is even really talking about it, like not that like that much. Wow. Okay, so that we were talking about it before, y'all were exactly exactly crazy. I what. Yeah, the part that got me was when Foods was like, we're calling for the complete disillusion of the Canadian government. I was like, man, what to me that at that point I started laughing.

I was like, y'all went for I don't like this mandate to like we just need to dissolve the government completely. It's like, y'all, what is it? You know what? I'm dialed up the trumpets like you know, it's it's these wild leaps and wild leaps and everything like logic demands. Um, that's just all over the place. Okay. The final thing about it that's really sinister is the organizers. M hmm.

So the official organizers listed on their Facebook have ties to Q and ON, which I don't even know what that is, but it's we we gave y'all Q and On. I'm sorry. It is a uniquely American conspiracy. And they big in Japan. Yeah, they big now in Canada. Okay, we'll go out. You don't even know what the hell Q is. I love it. I don't even know it is.

But one of the dude, one of the main organizers is q and On, Another one is UH was a member of like this Western Canada Separatist Party, and then another one or two are just outright have outright ties to white supremacist organizations like Soldiers of Odin and these sort of people okay, And one of them was on Facebook the other week saying that kids should walk out of school and uh in protests and should wear orange shirts.

Now in Canada Orange Shirt Day, when kids wear orange shirts, it's in memory of the kids that were killed in the residential school system. So that's what do you hear get into. So he's trying to appropriate that symbol. So so they're trying to which is disgusting beyond the yeah,

that's awful. Yeah, there are people out here. There are people out here that are talking about like this is their Rosa Parks moments with exactly wearing masks, like that's the equivalent of like defecating schools, like exactly, okay, which is the best thing beyond discussed, like to me, good natured person, you know, if that's opposed to vaccine mandates. If you show up and there's Confederate flags, you show up and the organizer just trying to appropriate Orange shirt Day,

that's when you got to cut ties. That's your cue. Yeah, that's your cute. That's your que to leave. It's not your cue to say there's some bad actors. It's your queue to leave. Yeah, And at some point you have to be like, and I mean it, I look this this going back to the hood. At some point you gotta be like, all right, Homy, you want y'all like exactly like you have the you at you at the club. You got a show, lad, you gotta show. You gotta show of Vancouver. You are here spin y'all own boy,

your day getting all active. At some point you're like, well, if you don't shut up, like you're going to fight all in by yourself because you to dross the loan Homeboy, I'm sitting you. I'm trying to eat my poon team. You know what I'm saying. Do you know how you're getting active with these folks? You know what I mean?

Like to me, that's where, that's where, because you know, my natural inclination is to be understanding and sympathetic and like if people are we're all tired of the vaccines, we're all tired of the or the lockdowns and all that. But if people show up with the Confederate flag, if people show up, if one of the organizers is trying to appropriate orange shirt day, yeah, that's not your cue

to stay. Yeah, there's some fringe people, but they don't represent the think no, no, no no, No, that's when you bounce. That's when they have it's there's now you're like, it's that point, it's there. It's it's just like when if you if you you know, you're in a brawl, and then somebody pulls out a gun. It's like, well it's a new day. Now, this is something else. Yeah, that's that and so and so all the symbols. Man, it's crazy that that this is what, this is what they do,

you know, these far right movements. It's like, like I said, the first footage I saw of the protests Canadian flags everywhere. So they're taking that simple. They're like, we we are the true Canadians. If you got your vaccine in order to protect yourself and your the rest of the society, somehow you're not patriotic, not patriotic. Somehow you're not patriotic.

But we are. So they own that right. Then again to the trucker thing, it's like truckers are vaccinated and out there working and actually being actively blocked at the borders by these people, but they somehow own the title of workers movement. Yeah. Now this makes me so upset because I see that every where, like this is a movement of working people, this movement of the working class. It's like, prove that to me. Substantiate that, please, because

that's not clear to me at all. Yeah. I find it so interesting that that just with with America, we could say, yeah, the the numbers in some ways are pretty even. Yeah, as far as like, of course, there's you know, the Q and on where it's like, yeah, your brain is cooked, and that maybe we talk about a little bit about that little lady. Okay, y'all brain cooked,

you know what I'm saying. Um, But then there are those that we would consider like, Okay, you're a reasonable person who I just disagree with because I think you're I personally think you're in a closed ecosystem of misinformation. And it's just I don't know what else to tell you.

You're not getting correct information, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, and uh, and you know, it's it's it's there's there's that to be said about the sort of smugness of like the left wing kind of liberal movement to where it's like, okay, y'all, just you're thinking better than everybody, you know what I'm saying. So there's but it's it's pretty like, which is why we're in such a stalemate.

Is like it's pretty even. But I'm looking at Canada and I'm like, it's only five of y'all that that actually think this and you to locked down the hole and I'm like, how would y'all it's it's only five, Like everybody Kinta is like, no, I don't know I'm doing I've been at work. And then the way that they've been doing this is the most Canadian way ever. I'm like, y'all just hawking horns and being annoying, like

you ain't shooting nothing, you're not breaking nothing. You just y'all to take it and you're just being loud and obnoxious. That's yeah. But look, these are the two things that are saving us from full on you know six and yeah war and you know that level of things to two things. One the firearms staying yes, okay, you're just gonna happy. Y'all just ain't got guns like us. We just don't like we have we have like hunting equipment, but we do not have handguns. We don't have automatic weapons.

You know here, if someone has a handgun, they're up to nod. There's I can draw conclusions you are you a thousand percent? You may draw your conclusions. You know, I've been in the America with like dentists with firearms on it, you know what I mean. Like it's like listen, Yeah, you could walk into any average home. Yes, and yes there's a handgun in it. Yeah. Oh yeah, you know like here you have a handgun. You're definitely up some Yeah. There.

They are as ubiquitous as like like you're steak knives, yes, in your house, like you just have to we have we have stake nives. What are you talking about? Exactly? Oh yeah, it's in the safe back there, you know what I'm saying exactly exactly. So so that is keeping us safe. And the other thing is that this ultra far right, like the main streaming of it is a relatively new thing like this this protests is the first

sort of like mainstreaming of that far right thing. And so we're not all the way at the point where you know, like I just followed the news about these two Republicans that got censored for yeah looking at you know, which is like a real movement where a mainstream party has basic we decided to be fringe, you know what I mean? They've Yeah, this is like it's it's pretty remarkable that like a guy that's been um impeached twice. Job said, and this morning, listen, this morning. What what's

today the this morning? Yeah, Trump's uh accounting firm basically was like, hey, listen, we don't stand by none of the reports from two thousand eleven and two thousand twenty. Wow, I won't stand by none of those reports, y'all said. They're like, look, we look, we have cut ties. We don't stand by none of these reports because in because now in two like they need to re up on their loans for all their business with like Deutsche Bank, and the accounting firm was like, listen, I can't stand

by none of these numbers. I'm like, and that's y'all's got like you know what I'm saying, And like at this point, it's like obviously the movement is bigger than him, you know what I'm saying, And he's smart enough to like attach himself to that. But the like the goon kind of bostness of him that he can still like sway, the whole thing is something that like I should be like listen, listen, Canada, Yes it's coming you know, Yeah, this is the first appearance of that level of like

pure duggar. Yeah, it's like you know what I mean, Yeah, like there's no logic to it. Like I was explaining, like there's no logic to this thing. It started out about truck or mandates, and then it's about mandates in general. Now it's about this vague kind of freedom thing. They're taking over all of these symbols, you know what I mean, and they're like excusing all kinds of behavior that is

like completely inexcusable. It's like that's never really happened. But but we don't have the weapons, and it is still relatively fringed. Like there's not that many people in Ottawa.

There's a few hundred or whatever. It's just that they have trucks and honestly, like our our police force are like we're well, actually I don't know what's going on with the police forces, to be honest, like people in Ottawa like they should be doing a lot more, but you know, it's it's a little bit unprecedented, like they're used to clearing out some people. Yeah, yeah, I listen, Yeah, I listened to some like I was reading on al Jazeer that the police were like, uh, I actually don't

know what to do. Maybe we just gonna stay out of this for now, Like I mean they haunk, they're annoying, Like that's that's right now, They're just annoying. So I don't know, Uh, yeah, what were supposed to do? You know, y'all don't have a military spinning in yo police, So you ain't got tanks or nothing exactly. We don't have we have tanks, you don't have any of that. So there's a little bit of like, yeah, what do we

do about these just big trucks? You know? Um, But I'll tell you the other thing that's sinister about it to me that is reminiscent of January six is becu is Like so what I was scratching my head about for a while was, Okay, these people are waving all these Canadian flags and they're like we're the you know, we're taking Canada back and we're through Canadians and making

Canada great again and all this stuff. But then they're disrupting the capital city and like and also like why are you going all the way to Ottawa just because you're sick of mandates? Like we're all sick of mandates. It's they're annoying, but like I'm not gonna go all the way to Ottawa and just like just because like they'll be done when they're done, you know what I mean,

Like relax right, um. But then I realized, actually, no, it was a friend of mine in conversation that was explaining to me, like the whole this nationalism thing and the symbolism behind it. It's like going to Ottawa for some of these people is a pilgrimage their meta. Yeah, that's good, you know what I mean. And it's true, Like and you hear that in some of the accounts from people being like, you know what, I always wanted to go to Ottawa anyhow as a proud Canadian and

that was actually part of the pool. It really is like a pilgrimage. So that's where it's like it's really insidious, and I hope people are being careful, especially and I hate even having to talk about this dimension of it, but you know, there's a lot of white Christian folks, It's true, and it's like this is very insidious, y'all, like you being you know what I'm saying, Your religion is Canada religion. Yeah. Look, it's not something I'm familiar with. Like, no,

I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This sorry export, I'm sorry. We could have gave y'all avocados, We could have got so many other things we could have gave.

I'm sorry we gave you gang baget. I'm sorry. Dog, listen, dog, Like I never I never signed mainstream like this where it's like, okay, bro of these white Christian folks Canada is they said their religion, they said the quiet thing out loud, and it's like and the part that like it's so interesting to me is like you know, like like like again with the gang comparison, and like a lot of the a lot of the things that happened with the names of our hoods, like why they're laid

out the way they are is it's geographical, you know. So when you say rather than twenties, rather than sixties, it's like, because those are the names of the streets, sixty sixty seven six, you know what I'm saying, Like that's why they're called that, you know what I'm saying. So, but if you in Kansas City and it's so wrong, and it's like why are y'all called you know what I'm saying, It's like, so you're you're exporting stuff that's like, it's just so strange. It's not so for for America.

I'm like, well, yeah, that was part of the brochure, was that this was God's plan, Like that's our brochure. So of course it's gonna be like this, this synchronizing like understanding of like God and country like that was

a rally cry that's in our origin stories. So I'm like, I don't know why the hell Canada doing that, Like that's not that ain't and you know what I'm saying, But it's just they these these movements have a way of attaching themselves to the part, like you said, to the part of it that just like scratches those prejudice that are already there, you know what I'm saying. And that's the part that was like that bothered us mostly

in America. It was like, hey, we've been sitting in these churches, us black folks ground posts, been sitting these churches this all the time, and and been thinking having a seeking suspicion. You know what I'm saying, that like I don't think these people really and then gotta we're able to say the quiet things out loud. And I knew it, you know what I mean. It was like I knew it. I knew it. I knew it, you know.

And yeah, and now we find ourselves, we find ourselves like this, you know, just in this bizarro world where our so far so it's me. It's like there's even this like race to the bottom of like what's the most absurd take you can have that's either gonna get you on the TV or because our governor down in Florida, he just passed the law to say when you're doing diversity training, you can't say nothing that's gonna make white

people feel uncomfortable. That that's the that's the law. And I'm like, how you uh, how do you enforce that? You know, look like this abandoned this this complete so when we look when we look at America, when I look at America anyways, I see your nation is a hundred years older than ours, right, so it's like I see what could be our future. Yeah, and you know, with this, with things like that law, with things like these, um Republican is getting censored, it's like it is an

official abandonment of the truth. Yeah, officially yeah, that's yeah. The as the January six, like you know, investigation and stuff started happening, it was like, okay, y'all have you're you've officially just you've decided, you just you just checked out, because I'm like, that's not even They was trying to kill y'all too. That's the part I don't understand. It's like they were trying to take you out to like you you wasn't exempt. Is it pure, pure, pure, pure tribalism?

So this is where like this, this is revealing itself and mainstreaming itself here in a way that even five six years ago it was still to fringe and two underground. Bro. I remember watching the Canadian coverage of Trump's first election, and I just wish you could have been watching it with me, like it was. It was stunned silence. I was laughing, my wife was crying, like just I've never

seen news coverage like that. I've never seen journalists like paralyzed because they don't know how to cover something like that. Because I wish I could have watched it from the outside, because there was definitely elements within the States that were like this is a joke, right, Like truly, this isn't real. And then we were like, oh my god, it's real. And then we were like nobody believes this, right, then we're like, oh my god, half the country believes it.

So then it was like, uh, you know, and then you try every tactic of like, well let me explain to you why this is ridiculous. Well here, listen to the man talk like y'all don't y'all don't hear what

you know. But I would love to see. Oh my god, I would love to see how I wish I wish you were sitting beside me watching it because just imagine, you know, the news counter, like the desk, five people and they're all just like um so because you know, like it's not precedented, right Like typically when you when you're a journalist, you're thinking about balance and you know,

all these sorts of things. But when what's happened is objectively bad but it's an election, you're like, I don't know how to talk about this, you know, So our biggest news anchor, I remember at one point Peter Man's Bridge. He's since retired, but he is like our I don't know what your biggest news you know, Walter cronkite or something like that, somebody like that, something like that. At one point he said to the panelist of like political experts, He's like, I don't know how to ask this. Do

you think he reads? He's like, I know, he literally said this, he said, I know he can read, but do you think he reads? He said, he said out of his own mouth. And this is the part that you're just like, am I being sure this is a joke, I'm being trolled. We're in a simulation when he said out of his own mouth, like I don't read that stuff. We're like the the security briefing. No, no, I just get up and I get up and I talk and yeah, like like this is where Canada was on that sort

of thing. But what's revealed itself in the last few weeks is there's a significant contingent of Canadians that do not um not not just are critical of the media, but just don't consume it anymore. Like they've just decided I'd rather read blog post from Johnny than an actual news organization exactly, They'd rather than an actual news organization. And what really worries me too is I feel like, again, anyone who happens to be well meaning in this big movement.

They don't have the self awareness to understand what they're really feeling and getting to the bottom of it because a lot of times me these Canadian flags that are waving you and I know what that really means. Yeah, exactly, but they don't necessarily have the self awareness. The organizers don't have the honesty to say it, but the some of the people don't have the self awareness. You being weaponized, and to know that you're being weaponized, your resentment is

being weaponized. The worst parts of your self are being brought to the surface and weaponized instead of dealt with for what they really are. And then you know, once you get those laws like no being uncomfortable and everything is allowed as long as it's done by Donald Trump, it's like then there's no hope. You know, really you've chosen your side, and uh, it's not a side that you know what I mean. Like in my that's the hard part because because us it's we could kind of

land a plane here. But it's like it's like you said, it's a reasonable objection to be like I'm not I'm not convinced about this piece of medicine. It's a reasonable objection to be like, hey, I don't know how I much I trust the government or uh, you know media, Like that's a reasonable Yeah, it's reasonable to say that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, would be like yeah, you know what I'm saying. Like and to be like you know, um, hey, like I'd love to be able

to do my job, you know what I'm saying. I don't like that you're making me do this, Like that's a reasonable objection. And then but then the next step in reason is to be like are there any alternatives? Can I show you negative tests? Can I do that? You know what I'm saying. And then at some point you're just like all right, well, hey man, I I would love to see if there was another way to

do this, you know what I'm saying. If yo answer, but the dude standing next to you is like, yeah, he's right, and we need to disillusion the whole government, you should be like wait what Like yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like yeah, you know what I'm saying. And then, but like you said, it puts in a in a bad like somebody who might actually be like having a legitimate like yo, like is there because I feel like for me, like I'm annoyed to mask, Like I feel

like masks were like that's to me. It was like, this is a reasonable compromise. This is a low Like I get it. You know what I'm saying. I'll put it on. It's stupid, it's annoying, but I get it. You don't want to put nothing in your body. All right, fine swearing masks. I don't care. It's stupid. It sucks, but so does COVID. Like that sucks. So I'm like, I mean nobody likes COVID. And then the part that fresh meats, I'm like, okay, like these foods are like

your sore winners. Because I'm like you, I get it. You wont like. Look it's lasted. It's lastly three years now because you wouldn't because you wouldn't do none of the stuff. Okay, and it's almost over. It's like a month. You know, you didn't get it. Look, you didn't get it. You guys got sick. A lot of people died. You won, Okay, Like she's like, go home, you won, you know what I'm saying, Like we wanted everybody to stay home for three weeks and wear a mask and be always won.

It took three years, now, okay, you won. She's like the problems, that's the thing, man. It's like, yeah, like people don't understand what's going on inside of themselves, and they don't understand what is going on outside and what they're getting to and like, yes, because I understand. Look, be critical of the government, of course, I'm critical of government. I'm critical of big pharma. I'm critical mainstream news media.

I'm critical of all this stuff. But don't engaged from it. Yeah. Yeah, then and when the person besides just like yeah, yeah, yeah for sure, like I want to I want to end the vactually mandates too, And and here's my Confederate flag. Like that's when you got to be like wha what Yeah, there's no one has still no one has still officially made a logical because there isn't one but a logical connection of being a patriot and carrying a Confederate flag.

Just my thing. There's my thing. You know, if if if I was sick of the mandates and I and I opposed it, and I went out the first day to the to the trucker convoy and saw all these Canadian flags waving. I'd be like, wait, what what do we hear about? Mandates? What do we what are we doing? What are we doing? What is what is this about? You know what I mean? And then people and then hear people talking about we're taking our country back and blah blahm, like what what taking our country back? But

I don't know what you're talking about. We just had an election a year ago. I'm just talking about vaccines. Yeah, like taking it back from who I'm just saying, we just voted. Didn't you vote? Did you vote? Like that's the dude we chose. I don't understand. That's no, no, no, I'm not trying to take the country back. You know that's problematic, right, Like, don't don't don't be talking about that. Yeah, we're here about I thought we were here about vaccines.

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