Hey everyone, Steven and Brian here with Brevin Holmes. We're back for episode number three of our podcast. And yeah, just excited to be back and share some more knowledge on this third week of the episode or the third week of the podcast. Brother, so yeah, thanks everybody for tuning in once again and we've got I think a beneficial topic this week for a lot of people.
You know it's going to shed some light on what they can expect going into the design or the preconstruction stuff as well as construction. You know, just kind of set the the precedent up front of what they can expect time wise. So you know today. We're going to cover basically an overview of the preconstruction and the construction process and what that timeline looks like for kind of each of those individual topics. So yeah, we've broken it down to about basically 10 to 11 tips.
You know, we might have a bonus or two in there at the end, but you know, we're going to break it down. Into those different categories or items and then we'll discuss a little bit more about each and then also talk about the timeline of each, you know and how long you can expect each one to take. And then kind of wrap it up at the end of about overall how long you can expect this entire process to take of building a custom home. So anyways, Brian, glad to. Be here with you.
Absolutely. We're three for three on our accountability with each other getting this going, so. Again like you said excited to be here and we have 1010 or 11 steps if you will. Now other builders may have a different set of steps or process that they take, but at the end of the day your your goal is to have a a dream custom home built. And so there are steps that have to be followed. It's just in in what order and
how long it takes. So let's jump right in #1, deciding if a custom home is right for you. This is something we talked about in Episode 2. But what we found and why we put this as number one is there's a lot of people that have the intent or the idea that, hey, I want to build a custom home, but as they learn more about what it entails. We keep going back to the budget
or the timeline. A lot of people eventually as they're more informed and educated, they say, yeah, this just isn't right for me. So you have to start there and you have to really do your, your homework on, hey, do I want to go through with this and with the right parties, obviously being a a builder that you choose. Steven, what else would you add to that? Yeah. No, I think that's well said. And you know, we don't want this to be by any means a scare
tactic, right? Of course, our goal is to educate people and make them want to build a custom home. So I do agree though that, you know, there are a lot of people that say, hey, you know what, I don't have anywhere from, I mean, and we'll cover this in more detail, but you know, just throwing numbers out, I don't have two years to wait for a home, right? I I want to be into a home like tomorrow. You know, and so maybe a resale home is best for those people, right?
Or we have people that, you know what? I I would love a custom home. But you know what? I'm just not there yet with my budget, right? And and that's not something they're comfortable stretching or they don't have the means for a custom home. So, you know, there's, there's different things there. And we've also even heard some people say, hey, you know what, I don't want to make hundreds of decisions, You know, I I just kind of want something that I can move into, you know, so.
That's why we build spec homes. You know, there's other builders that build different things and there's production homes and there's resale homes. So, you know, there's homes out there for basically anybody who's searching, right? And it just depends on what you want. But on the other hand, you know, people find a lot of value in a custom home because they get exactly what they want.
They get to customize it. They get the floor plan, they get the functionality, they get everything tailored to their family and their ones and their design style, and they get something that they're very, very proud of and happy to. Host friends and family and you know, have holidays there and
all kinds of stuff. So, right, that's the other side of it is that people are just ecstatic to to build a custom home for the most part when everything aligns right, the timeline, the budget, you know, the decision making and all that kind of stuff. You know, there are people that love to take that on and love to have that control and what better to control than a full custom home for yourself and
your family. And yeah, it's a really cool process, so. Anyways, just talking a little bit more there, you know, and and we talked a little bit last week on, you know, design deciding if custom home building is right for you. So if you didn't listen to that episode, good one to reference back to and you know, kind of get a little bit more information there. Yeah, I think jumping into the next point #2 would be selecting a builder, right? So you've decided that custom
home building is right for you. Now is the time to go shop for builders, right. And and some of these things like Brian mentioned, they can be concurrent. So you you know they can and they can also kind of go in different orders. So it's not set in a hard, fast rule that you know #2 is always going to search for your builder. But our our theory and our, our experience is that the sooner you can rope a builder into this whole process the better because they're.
Meant to be a consultant for you. They're meant to help shed some light on things and really bring an outside perspective to people that maybe don't know as much about home building. And you know, even to the architect, you know it's it's a good. The builder roped in before you get to that design phase. So that's why we believe that even selecting a builder sometimes before you go pick a lot, right.
A builder can give a lot of valuable insight on certain lots and things that might make something cheaper or more expensive throughout the build. So what are your thoughts there Brian? I would add that the longer you wait to find the builder that you. Believe in you, trust you are confident in. You're excited to work with. The more of a chance there is for unintended delays or or going back and doing work that's already been done to your point, right?
And we found that if you come to the builder with a. Floor plan and a lot and say, hey build this house for me. They might say, look there's a better way to do this, let's redesign this because it's going to save you $100,000 or we can do this and it's going to cut down on your timeline by six months, right. So that's why pulling in a builder earlier is is always better but the the longer you wait not saying that it's going to be.
Messy, but there's just a greater chance for some some bumps in the road that we just have to work through. So number #3, which could be #1 or #2 or early on is purchasing that lot, finding that, finding that dirt to put your custom home. So as Steven said, working with the builder before you have a lot is is never a bad thing. Never. But we understand many people have been sitting on their their lot for maybe years or even decades and they're just waiting for the right time of their life
to build that custom home. Totally get it. And that may be again, why it might be the first thing you've done. But it it's important to have a builder as early as possible to say, hey, where do we position this house on this lot to minimize. Costs or get it positioned right for a pool or There's a lot of different different topics and things to address when we're talking about what house is going where on that particular lot. Right. Yep. Yep. That's all a lot of good stuff there.
And yeah, I think a lot is something that, like you said, it can fall in many different places in this timeline, but. Definitely something that you know you want to address sooner rather than later and know where you're going to build your home. And it's best to have the lot 1st and then design the home to
the lot, especially for custom. Because a lot of times with custom homes, you're trying to capture some special feature, you know, whether that's a view or you're on a lake or a river, or you know there's topography on the lot or trees you want to protect or utilities are better in one area than another, you
know? Things like that, there's a lot of different things to go into that and that's why a builders perspective, you know, roping the builder in before you even find a lot sometimes is is advantageous but not required,
right. You know, like Brian said, if you've been sitting on a family lot for decades and it's something that you really want to build on, I mean it's it's usually doable but it's just, you know, there's things that you know, it's advantageous to rope that builder in before you get to the the lot purchase phase. But yeah. Yeah, once you have a lot, you know, I think the next step is #5 or are we on four?
I think we're on four. Yeah, sorry, #4 is going to be designing with an architect in the builder and a designer, right. So and we say all three of those because it really takes a team effort, you know, and of course the client is going to be the one driving that conversation, but they need to. Have those other three parties involved, the architect, the builder, and the designer, so that everybody can put their two cents into it, right?
Sometimes the designer might say, hey, look, I love what architects saying and the builders saying, but you know what? We want to do wallpaper on this wall, right? Let's make sure it's not textured, Let's make sure it's smooth. It might make more sense to put the door over here so it doesn't mess with your wallpaper, you know, things like that, right? So that's all the way down to the design.
The architect, you know, it's going to have some cool ideas and help try to capture your inspiration, photos or whatever things you come to the table with. And then of course, it's up to the builder to try to pull all that together and be the the connector of everything, right, to make sure that, Yep, wallpaper would work on that wall. You know, I love the way that the architects design this, but you know what? Just from what we've seen, you know it's cheaper to.
You know they they've got feedback you know and making rooms smaller and hey do this do that tweak things here and there they've got their builder feedback that's going to help you really be able to value engineer I think is kind of a term that you know most builders like to throw around and and yeah that's really what they're there for right. Try to help you get the most value out of this home that
you're. You're designing, so the important piece here is that there is a. A cohesive team that works really well together and this will pay massive dividends later in terms of just the the smoothness of the progression of the build in terms of the
architect is working with. All four parties, the architect, the designer, the home, the the builder and the homeowners are all working together to achieve that, that goal of of the vision that you have for every, every corner, every inch of of that build. And if you can do that, it will. It will make things a lot smoother and give you more confidence fairly early on in the process that, hey, this is going to come to life exactly how I want it to. So good stuff. Yep, absolutely.
Let's move on to #5, because that's a that's a beast. This one is certainly a a topic that deserves its its own episode, as we've said on a lot of different topics thus far. So we we we're certainly not short on things to talk about as we expand this, but what's #5? Yeah. So #5 is going to be a preliminary building agreement. Now that can look a lot of different ways for a lot of
different builders, right? But we've found success in, you know, doing the legwork upfront to find out a lot more information about a client's build right before we even get to numbers or design. Like truly selecting things and all that kind of stuff right before you get into the nittygritty. Us as builders, we want to know a lot more about your project, right. And the way that that is best captured is through a preliminary building agreement or what some people abbreviate
that to as a PBA, right. So if you ever hear us referred to it as a PBA, that is a preliminary building agreement. And like I said, every builder is a little bit different, but we found some good success with this. So a PBA is basically going to cover your the phase of the building where we're going through. The architect has already finalized the plans. The clients have signed off on those plans.
You know, the designer has put their input onto basically the exterior design for the most part. And the builder has, you know, basically put their soft stamp on the plans to say, Yep, let's push this forward. So then you go into that PBA or the preliminary building agreement where we're going to work with engineers, we're going to work with the takeoff and estimating companies, we're going to work with all of our trades and vendors and
suppliers. To go out and do the legwork upfront and before the build even starts, anybody breaks ground before permitting is approved to know exactly what that build is going to look like from a cost perspective and a time perspective. So we do that legwork. Some builders don't do it that way, but we've seen good success. So Brian, I'm sure I'm missing a lot there. So go ahead and fill in the the listeners. You covered the majority of it. I think that's that's important is.
That it really is touching every single trade that we either intend to use or might use on your house because we have a database of hundreds to make sure that we are achieving the budget and the timeline and the quality and and so yes, the preliminary building agreement goes into all that that is to the deliverable of the PBA is a. Fixed price contract for us, we know other builders may do it differently as well as a timeline of that build and we turn that over to you said
here's here's what your build is going to cost with appropriate allowances for those selection items and here is the timeline it's going to take to complete your home. And the preliminary building agreement is is not free. Obviously we have costs in that to to work with engineers, to engineer the foundation, engineer the frame. And and do a lot of other lot of other work to organize all of
that information. But it's it's a really, really important step and something that our our clients that have done this with us have really appreciated to just have this information, have have all so much information up front before the build even starts. One other important point to to take here is at this point. You could still essentially go to a different builder with the deliverable of this project. You're not tied to any one builder because they have gone
and done the. Engineering work. It's it's just that, hey, there's work that has to be done to give to give the homeowner confidence that this is how much this is going to cost or this is the scope of this project and this is what it entails. If this work has not been done and a builder is telling you those things, they're using rough estimates based off of their experience or or history, and that can be that can be really tough to just feel confident. It can be hard to feel confident
in those nuts. So in a nutshell, that's what the PBA entails. Again, that certainly deserves its own episode, so we'll get into that in a future episode. Moving on to #6. Is a building agreement or a building contract? What? What does that? Look like Steven, yeah, so you know like Brian said the deliverable at the end of that PBA or that preliminary building agreement is for us to provide the clients with a a fixed price building contract, right.
And like we said, not everybody's doing fixed price, you know some builders are doing cost plus. But really that's the next step in this process is a builder to present a building contract whether that's fixed price or cost plus to the clients and and you know come to an agreement on that contract, right. So has the builder done all that
legwork? Has the builder, you know, built other homes right around the corner, I mean how are they coming up with these numbers and that's a good thing for. You know, clients and future homeowners to ask those questions, right. How did the builder derive at these numbers that they're putting in the initial building agreement and in the timeline as well, right?
How can they feel confident and how can the clients feel confident in their answers, right, If they've gone out and done all that legwork of the criminal building agreement, it, it should be an easy answer, right? But if the builder says, well, you know, we built another home in a different city and it came in at this price and it was pretty similar home. You know, I mean that's not your home, that's not your lot, right.
So there's a lot of different variables there that you know, you just need to question and be aware of and right. But if you've done the right job on selecting a builder and you feel good about the products they've designed and done and you know they have a good reputation and come highly referred, you know, I, I think you can feel a little bit better about going into that building agreement. But of course, once again disclaimer. We are not lawyers, legal. We have no legal background.
You know, please, please, please consult anytime you're going to sign a contract or an agreement, make sure you know what you're signing and be very aware. Read through it, you know, be fully informed. Make sure that the other party is fully informed and informing you and then you know, seek legal counsel if you feel you need to. Brian. I think you covered that.
Well, let's, let's move on that that's certainly there's there's more to cover there but at a high level that that's really the the gist of a building agreement. The next step or what's going on you could argue concurrently is the financing piece. So who is, how is this home going to be financed, are you bringing cash if so that's. Much faster to to move forward with, but many people do come with a construction loan and that's that's perfectly fine.
But there there takes the banks take time, it takes time to work on a construction loan that can take anywhere from one to three months in terms of paperwork and setting up closing. So we'd like to do the the financing or the construction loan after we have provided a. Fixed price number, so that you can confidently go to the bank and say this is how much this is going to cost and get get a loan for that amount. So when the construction loan closes, we'd like to quickly
move forward with construction. So we want to have all of that preconstruction work basically done before the construction loan closes because most lenders or banks. Give a construction loan a 12 month term. Now there's a possibility for extensions if actual construction goes beyond 12 months, but that's why we don't like to sign off or start a construction loan earlier than we really need to. So again, lot of work that goes into preconstruction where you don't need a construction loan.
So Steven, what else did I miss on the financing piece? Yeah. Yeah, I think that sums it up well. And every bank is going to be unique in their own way, right. We found good success with working with local credit unions. They usually get the best rates and have fair reasonable terms. But you know, I mean Brian mentioned some specifics there and we can cover a lot more on another episode.
Maybe we could even get, you know one of our partner banks or somebody like that to shed some more light on this topic, but. You know, financing really is unique to the buyer and to the lender. So without getting into the nittygritty, you know, we can say that yeah, it usually takes about a month or so and we'll cover these timelines here in a little bit at the end of the episode just to recap.
But you know the appraisal, certain other things if you're getting a loan can can extend that timeline. So yeah, no, I think that's well said. So moving on to the next point. You know, #8 is going to be permitting and approvals. So at this point you've got your preliminary building agreement, the builder's done, all the legwork of doing all the the, the design and the architects and all the other stuff that needs to come together for
permitting. Sometimes, you know, local jurisdictions are going to have different requirements, so some people can even skip this step if they're building out in a rural area and there's no jurisdiction that governs. You know the building there. So yeah, permitting and approvals can look a lot different in a lot of different areas, but where we typically build, you know permitting is something that you want to have all your.
Ducks in a row. You want to be basically ready to build and start breaking ground as soon as those permits get approved because sometimes permits have a time cap on them as well, you know, and and they like to see homes getting built, not just be sitting around the neighborhood or the community or the city that almost look like they're just abandoned construction, so. Yeah.
What are your thoughts, Brian? Yeah, I think we just want to reiterate that these are steps there's again they are that a lot of these are happening concurrently and the permitting and approval side is is happening concurrently most likely with with the financing on that loan. And you know it's, it's spanning a few of these because we want
to make sure that obviously. We have made the right exterior selections for what the local jurisdiction requires, whether that's a neighborhood requirement or a city requirement on a lot of different things, dark sky, compliant lights or. How certain garages face direction or where the house is positioned.
So there's a lot of things, but I think it's just important to note that that permitting and approvals is, is happening right around this point obviously and certainly before actual construction begins because if we don't have the permits where it's required, we can't, we can't move forward. Yep, Yep. And the most, the most fun. Yeah. You want to take. The most fun topic? Yeah.
What's this one, Steven? Yeah, taking it into after all of this, right, we've got eight steps leading up to this. Now #9 is going to finally be breaking ground and starting construction in your new home. So I think you know the biggest eye opener hopefully thus far is the tremendous amount of work that goes into a home before you even start building. So when builders tell you, hey, it's going to be you know. We're talking 8 to, you know, 16 months to build or whatever
builder throws out, right? Well, what does that include? Right. Please inform me on what all is involved in the build time that you're quoting us. Right. Is that pre construction? Is that just building? Because you can see there's a lot that leads up to construction. But to sum it up, #9 construction. Construction is going to look a lot different, you know depending on where you're building in the country and also what product you're building, right?
Or you are you building a 2000 square foot home or you building a 20,000 square foot home, right. So construction can be as small or as big or simple or complex as as the build is right and that's the lot is and all the other variables that come with it so. Without getting too deep into that, yeah, that's what comes next, right? In construction, most builders should give you a time frame or timeline of just at least general phases throughout your build, right?
First is going to be clearing the lot and then foundation and blah, blah, blah. You know, we can go through that in more detail, but that's the fun part where you start, start to finally get to see progress and see your home coming up before your own eyes. I think that's a really important point is. Just where we are, we've laid out, you could argue 1011 steps here and #9 is starting
construction. So the the, the take away is there is just a lot of work that that goes into a build that you don't see any progress for, for practical purposes, right, you don't see. Anything really happening. You know things are happening, or you better know things are happening, but you're not seeing that dream or that vision that you've been waiting for come to life until we get all the way down to step #9. So important point?
Yep, Yep, Yep. Hit us with #10. #10 Closing and handover So this is another exciting, exciting one. This is where we. Get to hand over the the keys to you and say this. This home is complete within within budget and and on on schedule is is the goal and you get to take the keys and and be the the homeowner of your your dream home. So this one is.
Always an exciting day. We like to do a lot with this and just just make it remember memorable because it is a big day and and we're grateful and appreciative to be a part of your special day of taking over the the keys to your dream home. Yep, love that. Yeah, and and as we have outlined. Everything that has led up to that closing and handover day makes it that much more special, right? All the decisions and the time that it took and you know some ups and downs, every build has
their ups and downs right. But all of that makes it so much more rewarding to go to the closing table or do hand over day and and literally hand the keys over to the new homeowners of their home, right. And it's yeah, it's a really sentimental special cool day and. Honestly, as as maybe cheesy or corny as it sounds is why we do this, right. We don't build homes just for fun. You know, we build them so that families can move in and turn those houses into homes.
So you know, that's something we never lose perspective of. And any good builder I think would say the same thing. So look for a builder that that takes that kind of pride in their products and you know realizes the end goal. They're not just building houses you know they're they're building truly a a home that. They can be proud of and a new family is going to move into and love. So yeah, I think that sums that up pretty well. And there's other stuff that goes with closing.
But overall, I think most people know what closing is, right? You sign documents, legal things, deed transfers, and and yeah, you know, you're the rightful new owner of that home. So moving on to maybe the last thing kind of this item is after you move in. You know, there's move in, of course once closing happens, you know homeowners are free to move in as soon or as long as they like, as fast as quickly get
settled into that new home. And then of course, I don't think any builder has ever in history built a perfect home. So there's warranty that's involved after move in. So warranty can look a lot of different ways for a lot of different builders and you know that's something that you want to be aware of for sure as you're. Partnering with a builder on your build, you know ask what their warranty process is before you get to the end in the
closing table, right. But yeah, definitely something to be aware of. But that's kind of our little bonus item there at the end is just. So Brian, anything to add there? And then I just want to say that it might be kind of fun to go back through each one of these steps just real quick, kind of rapid fire and give a rough timeline for each and then hit them with the total timeline of all this stuff at the end just to.
Put it into perspective, right. We've talked about a lot of good stuff here, but we haven't really put timing to it. So I think that's something we owe the viewers or the listeners as we wrap this up. So anything to add on those last, that last point? Yeah, just around warranty, there is no perfect home that has ever been built and that the most important thing is that you understand what that warranty entails and and certainly ask your builder.
First of all, if they have a warranty and and we highly recommend that they they should or they do and if they don't offer that, that would be a a red flag for us. But really just understanding it, right. A lot of people can say you got a warranty but you don't often get into the details of understanding it and until you need it. So just we have a nice packet we present and provide that we think makes it pretty straightforward. So just something else to think
about. But yeah, let's jump into the timeline of this and we'll wrap it up. Yeah, yeah. Because we are a little over time, but I I feel like this was a lot to cover and hopefully we're providing that value that people are still sticking around. So, yeah, #1, deciding on a custom home, I'll do this and then you tell us kind of the timeline, So #1, deciding on a custom home. Yeah, that can be, it can be a few seconds or it could be many
years. So there there's we didn't really quantify a a time to that. Yep, nice #2. Selecting a builder. Same thing, right. You may have had a builder in mind for forever or you might go through that and it takes a few months or a few years. It's just it's hard to quantify a time for that as well. Yep, that's fair #3 purchasing a lot. That's a similar answer. That the same way the lot can happen very quick, or you may already have it right, so it doesn't need up any time.
Or it might take quite a bit of time to find that perfect lot of what you want to want, where you want to be. Yep, absolutely #4 designing with an architect, builder, designer. Bringing the whole team together. Yeah, perfect. So we're getting into where we can start to quantify, but every single one of these, there is no specifics, right. It's always going to have a range.
So we like to say architects from our experience, the fastest they've ever turned something around is about four months, three to four months. But this can easily. Expand over a year depending on how fast you move, how fast they move, if you if you have made changes or still trying to decide on what you like. So range of four to 12 plus
months. Yep, #5 the preliminary building agreement that we discussed, the builders doing that, you know, the way that we're familiar with, how long can we expect
there? Yeah. Our preliminary building agreement that we do at Brevan Homes with the engineering takeoffs to understand how many pieces of components we need to build that home, doing the the legwork reaching out to all of our our suppliers and contractors, we complete that in in roughly 2 to 3 months depending on the project of course, sometimes it may take a little longer than three months. Awesome. Yeah. Number six, that building agreement and contract come into an agreement on that.
Yeah, that that typically is fairly quickly. That can take days, maybe a week. It's just and that's going on concurrently. We're getting that prepared and ready to go while we're finishing the preliminary building agreement. Yep. Nice #7 financing. Financing that's also something that can be done simultaneously or concurrently, but that takes roughly one to two months assuming that you found the right.
Lender and there's communication going both ways to process all the paperwork and and documentation that's needed, yeah. Lots of paperwork #8. Permitting and approvals, yeah, permitting and approvals. Again, it's one that could be done at the same time as say the loan and some other things. But this is heavily dependent on the city or jurisdiction, but we're talking.
The shortest we've seen is 3 to 4 weeks and we should say depending on if you're in a a city that has some really strict codes, it could be 6 plus months, right? But where we build and in most of it's a Central Texas, it's one to three months. But I I don't want to I don't want to set the expectations wrong for people that are building and say the city of New York. I don't know how complex it is to to pull permits there but I can't imagine it's it's as short as a one month process.
Yeah, yeah, good point. Okay #9 construction, the beast. What would you say that? Construction, if we say that construction starts after all of that and we're moving dirt on day one and getting the foundation or the lot prepped and clearing and getting it set to to actually start building the the foundation, you know and again heavily dependent on.
The the project and the scope and the size, but you know this can be anywhere from 8-8 months on the short end if if it's a smaller home and pretty, pretty straightforward in terms of the scope of what needs to be done up to 18 plus months, right. We put 8 to 18 because most of our projects are in that range, but you're building a 20,000 square foot house on a Cliff, it's probably going to take longer than 18 months. So again a wide range, but just trying to give you a ballpark.
Yeah, we should put a huge asterisk next to that one because yeah, you know whether several other unknowns can come into factor pretty big there and and kind of throw that for a wrench. But yeah, I think you did a good job there number 10 closing hand over day of course. Closing that is a set day. That is something that that we do everything in our power to meet once we've locked that closing date in place. And yeah, that takes a day, right. That's that's an exciting day
and something that we live for. We're not in business just to make houses. I mean we we wake up in the morning and get excited to to be able to have as many closing days as we can because we love being able to to share that time and that memory with our our homeowners and our families. Yeah. Well said, Yeah, it's a rewarding day for everybody, you know, just solve the like we've said so many times, but all the resources put into. That you know, process is really, really a fun day.
So Yep, OK, I think without warranty involved in there since I was kind of a bonus, you know, and I can look a lot different for a lot of different builders. What are we, what are we talking to? And let's add stuff for the listeners that are, you know, time in paper, calculator in hand. Yeah, it's good question. It's hard to throw this out there because the range is so
wide, but you're talking. 1415 months up to two to three years and and so that's again a very wide range but I think they're most people come into it with the expectation that I can build a custom home faster than they actually can in reality and that's really the messenger, the take away here and it's not again to scare people off it's strictly just to make sure that. You know what you're getting into as early on as possible so that your expectations are set right and you can enjoy the
process. What we One of the reasons we big reasons we decided to start this podcast is because we want people to really enjoy this, the custom home building process. And all too often, every single day people are stressed, they're anxious, they don't enjoy the the process of building their custom home, even if they love their builder, right? There's just so much that goes into it.
I think a couple quick words to try to summarize that as we want transparency to provide transparency to set potential custom home clients, set their expectations right. So that transparency to set the correct expectations is a way to sum that up right? And I think an even bigger asterisks, asterisks, asterisks. Whatever. That's to this total timeline, you know that there should be a negative for a minus under the 15 months and there should be a plus over the 30-4 months, right?
Because just like you said, I mean, if somebody comes with land already in hand and a plan set and a builder that they've already shopped, you know, that cut out all that stuff, right? You can strictly condense this timeline.
And and then on the other hand too, I mean people that just, you know, know that they take longer to make decisions and they want it to be perfect or you know, like we said, it's not perfect, but you know, complex builds can take years, you know, 30-4 months sounds like a long time, but I mean shoot, there's some 20,000 square foot homes on cliffs like you said that can take upwards of three plus years.
You know, so every build is going to be different, every jurisdiction is going to be different and so that's why that's such a huge asterisk there, but. Yeah, I mean, anything you can think of that we missed on this episode? I think we should wrap it up since we're pushing the time that this has been a fun one for sure. No, nothing else. Just hopefully we've given some insights and and perspective on at a very high level again on just what steps are needed to
build a custom home. It's not just oh, here's here's a. Floor plan that I like and some front elevations and let's start building. There's just so much that we believe is not out there in terms of educating homeowners and that's what we're trying to accomplish in this episode amongst as well as obviously the entire podcast. But wanted to start here, stay high level and in future episodes we'll we'll dive into a lot of these topics in more detail.
So Steven, I'm good. It's been a pleasure and we'll wrap it up until next time.