Home Assistant 2025.11: Improved target picker and energy pie charts

[SPEAKER_00]: Hello and welcome to The Homes and Podcast. [SPEAKER_00]: My name's Phil, join me as usual. [SPEAKER_00]: We've got Rihon. [SPEAKER_00]: Hey Rihon, how you doing? [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, good man, how are you? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very good, thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: As usual, this podcast is sponsored by Home Assistant Cloud by Napa Kasa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This episode actually recording us and doing a live stream for our Patreon and YouTube members. [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see how this one goes. [SPEAKER_00]: We might open them up to YouTube live in the future. [SPEAKER_00]: We're still experimenting, I'm trying to get more ways. [SPEAKER_00]: We can be more interactive and get the show out there. [SPEAKER_00]: We're on 2025.11 is here. [SPEAKER_00]: We do have a few things we want to get through.

[SPEAKER_00]: First though, including feedback and add some other little tidbits, but Mr. [SPEAKER_00]: Mother related. [SPEAKER_00]: Hermissed news. [SPEAKER_00]: This month, Dr. Go have pledged 50k to the Go Home Foundation project. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it aligns, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Since Dr. Go's folks on privacy, almost as some folks on privacy, that don't have to get match there, so. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: It's cool to see that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: And also somewhat related news, homosysin, again, is one of the biggest open source projects on GitHub, so that's awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: GitHub University's wrapped up and homosysin's, homosysin came out on top there, so that's, [SPEAKER_01]: pretty awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if you saw this, but Frank also got a little GitHub star in in, I don't know, wherever in GitHub land.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a physical, like kind of like Hollywood, uh, oh, yeah, the Woke of Fame.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So he got a GitHub star. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's awesome. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, because Frank is an official GitHub star. [SPEAKER_00]: He got awarded that last year I believe. [SPEAKER_00]: And now it's like they've done a walk of fame to honor all the GitHub stars. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's what it's said on Frank Socials. [SPEAKER_00]: I did see, I don't think home Mrs. is number one anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: I believe TypeScript has now taken [SPEAKER_00]: I've got a number one episodes project because of the AI boom and everyone contributing to the TypeScript language, I'm pretty sure I might have mentioned there is correct. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, but I think still in the tricky thing is that GitHub don't count it by organization, they count it by...

[SPEAKER_00]: a single repo, and just on the home, this is a core repo, home, this is raised like, you know, number two, number three or something in the world of contributions, but if they included, all the repositories, you know, between front end, voice, all the projects around, you know, you know, all the, exactly custom components, all that, I'm sure that would have, uh, given a few other repos, or re-atural organizations run for their money,

[SPEAKER_00]: El Taco El Taco has just joined the works with home citizen program, they make a bunch of meta-relays, they're pretty well-known in Germany, I think for about 75 years. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're in Germany and you know that brand, it's good to see that a company that's been around 75 years is happy to move on to something new as home-business at home. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, some other news, the homelessness in yellow is being retired.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I know they've been making a book big push to talk about this, um, around, uh, you know, uh, the homelessness in yellow itself. [SPEAKER_01]: So pretty much the green will be the go to platform, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So the yellow will still be supported and, and what have you, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's still, it's still a Raspberry Pi based device, um, but, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: Basically, if you wanted to get it now before they run out, but from what I understand, there's no more production on those devices. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that's been what I like a... [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, how would you say, like a victim of their own success?

[SPEAKER_00]: I had a whole bunch of issues during COVID when it was released because of the, uh, the pie shortage, now they've, uh, yeah, there. [SPEAKER_00]: I think people aren't necessarily buying as much now everyone's moving over to many PCs. [SPEAKER_00]: So they're still supporting the yellow in terms of, you know, I'm just an OS for a big compatible with anyone that's bought a homeless yellow, just like homeless and blue.

[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, and because of the commercial side of home assistant, you know, concentrating on other bits of hardware, we might be seeing one coming out this month. [SPEAKER_00]: They've got, you know, like the Z-wave radio, they've got on the time of certain green, which net-of-run seems to be using more in-place the homes in yellow. [SPEAKER_00]: And if you want more power than the green, then people are generally the evolution path is going to something like a mini-PC.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and with the cost of mini PCs, now that kind of makes sense, you have all these random brands, like mini forum and be link and all these guys that are making devices for a couple hundred bucks, which if you take a yellow, you add, you have the yellow, the base hardware on it, you add the Raspberry Pi, whatever CM4, CM5, whatever like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now all of a sudden you're [SPEAKER_01]: lot more open to the device. [SPEAKER_01]: Now the only thing is where like the yellow is it's got a zippy slash thread radio built into it and and I mean that that is nice was one less extra piece of hardware that you need but if you don't use zippy if you're fully on z wave or everything's Wi-Fi or what have you then then might not need that as much right so. [SPEAKER_01]: I run everything on a yellow today.

[SPEAKER_01]: I personally, I really like to divide so I'm a little sad to see it go, but I like a form factor in everything as well, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So it's nice to see that. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's upgradable. [SPEAKER_01]: So CM5, oh my, I'm ready. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to CM4, but if I had a CM5, I could [SPEAKER_01]: pretty much easily upgrade to that and then restore it from back up someone heavy.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, yeah, so that's a little bit about the hopelessness in yellow and where that's going, but yeah, there's a lot of many PCs coming out these days and everybody in their dog, it seems like has a many PC company and that's releasing something for a couple of hundred bucks and, uh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Nabikasa have put a shout out to our home Mrs and I was always hard to say like which one is talking here but they are looking for feedback from the community of if to see where the community wants to go in terms of hardware like if the community is flocking to certain type of mini PC, maybe home Mrs and Nabikasa will look at and don't create going down that path and making

[SPEAKER_00]: the next official support hardware coming up with the next version of the yellow blue whatever the next product line up obey, to be in line more with the communities moving towards now. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I do want to talk about two millimeter present sensors. [SPEAKER_00]: I've been testing, which is the Lincoln Link Emotion Max and the Emotion Pro.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now we've been talking a lot about millimeter wave sensors, like being a lot of attention lately, and we certainly mentioned them. [SPEAKER_00]: I think basically every episode this year. [SPEAKER_00]: And they go beyond traditional motion sensors. [SPEAKER_00]: I've talked about that many times. [SPEAKER_00]: Most of us start us with a PIR motion sensor, the little ones that trigger when they detect heat movement. [SPEAKER_00]: They're great for basic automations.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm turning lights on when you walk into a room. [SPEAKER_00]: But they do have the major downside that if you're sitting down for a while, we're on the toilet. [SPEAKER_00]: The sensor assumes you left the room and the lights turn off. [SPEAKER_00]: Millimeter weight sensors on the other hand use weight art technology. [SPEAKER_00]: They send out radio waves and measure the reflections.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that means they can pick up tiny movements, even breathing and no someone's still in the room. [SPEAKER_00]: They can even detect how far away you are from the sensor. [SPEAKER_00]: So you can get on my two meters one meter away.

[SPEAKER_00]: So as we've been talking a lot about these type of sensors on the podcast, Lincoln Link we're kind enough to send me a couple of units to test so I decided to put the sensors to the test in the context of home assistant and I started out with the Emotion Max. [SPEAKER_00]: The setup was straightforward, pairing is done over Bluetooth for the Pro and WiFi for the Max. [SPEAKER_00]: I was able to configure MKKT and get everything talking to home assistant.

[SPEAKER_00]: Once online, this tends to expose us a bunch of entities, present protection, distance to the nearest person, and even some zone based data as well. [SPEAKER_00]: I do have some concerns with their app needing Wi-Fi password, which is a downside for me. [SPEAKER_00]: They want to store that in the cloud but looks a bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: In single-person scenarios, the device is worked pretty well, entering and leading a room protected quickly and data coming through and GTT matched while seeing in their link and link app. [SPEAKER_00]: But things got interesting when there were multiple people in the room at the same time. [SPEAKER_00]: So when I had two or more people moving between rooms, the tracking accuracy became a bit hit on miss sometimes.

[SPEAKER_00]: One person would drop off, especially if someone else was close to the sensor, it's definitely not perfect yet for multi-person tracking. [SPEAKER_00]: and switching over to the Emotion Pro aesthetically, it's identical to the max, they both look like this. [SPEAKER_00]: We definitely have a different sci-fi side, they've got the same accessories, it's got the same USB-C power and the same Bluetooth Wi-Fi setup.

[SPEAKER_00]: The difference between the max and Pro is the Pro doesn't have multi-room support, so you're only going to get the how close you are to a sensor. [SPEAKER_00]: This approach has support for up to six zones, which lets you define how close someone can be to the device, but it does appear to be in beta on the app. [SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't track direction or anything like that. [SPEAKER_00]: In terms of performance, presence detection was pretty fast actually.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's also a delayed off option, so you can smooth out if someone's walking away from the device. [SPEAKER_00]: You can also listen for enter and leave events in home assistance, which I thought was a nice touch, and they're great for triggering automations instantly. [SPEAKER_00]: One thing to watch out for, like most millimeter wave sensors, these can sometimes see through walls.

[SPEAKER_00]: I actually had false detections from my laundry, picking up movement in the next bedroom over. [SPEAKER_00]: But I was just able to adjust the range up to be a short distance, which was able to solve that. [SPEAKER_00]: So overall, I think I'll link any motion sensors are promising, especially for the price. [SPEAKER_00]: And the native home visit compatible and continue to support are really to appreciate that.

[SPEAKER_00]: multi-age person tracking was a bit hit and miss but I've had the same experience with other millimeter wave sensors for example from a polar automation a couple of the brands as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you're looking to dabble into MMA sense presence sensors for single-region use they're worth trying for the price point they are one of the nicest looking millimeter wave sensors I've seen so far just be ready to spend a bit of time tuning these detection ranges [SPEAKER_00]: I've also got a write-up on my blog at Philharpond.com, which I'll link in the show notes. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get a bit more in-depth as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hadn't heard of Emotion Paradise before, so it was nice to see these, have them, uh, like, from to reach out to us, and that they've got the energy support, which uses, I mean, homies of discovery. [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see, as they be, on matter version of these for sure, but, um, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: These are it. [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Lincoln, look for something out. [SPEAKER_00]: I really do appreciate it. [SPEAKER_00]: They haven't paid us any way for this.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was just a, they said, hey, trying out these devices, they are, we've got MQTT and it integrates with home resistance.

[SPEAKER_00]: We would love to get your opinion. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was a bit skeptical at first, but no, they integrated very well in time and system. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's neat. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's nice that it's npt2, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So you can just block it from whatever internet, whatever, and it's all local then at that point. [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: The app does look like it requires a talk to this server, and I mentioned that the Wi-Fi.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's different. [SPEAKER_00]: What I see, it does access to your Wi-Fi password on the cloud service, which was a bit concerning for me. [SPEAKER_00]: Not that I have any time to do anything that happened from wherever their service is located, but it's not the other way to be just on the device. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think MQT is nice. [SPEAKER_00]: It also means that it doesn't get locked into home assistant as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like if there's another, maybe you're not using RAM, just maybe using Habitat or whatever homey. [SPEAKER_00]: If they can access MQT, you can just read those topics as well. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool. [SPEAKER_01]: It's nice. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't get too much stuff sent to us usually, but it's cool to end when we do something. [SPEAKER_00]: Particularly the stuff that we want to talk about, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like how many, you know, real estate artists reach out to us and be like, hey, you should have the first on the podcast. [SPEAKER_01]: It's cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a lot of times the people, the stuff that we do get sent out end up happening after we have, we have people from, from there on their show, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: like, again, Apollo or air gradient and that kind of stuff and it's, uh, which is, again, I really appreciate it as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: So thank everyone for doing that. [SPEAKER_00]: But, um, and, um, thanks a little bit for also a very mind of me, uh, pushing me to do a blog post on this. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought I would do a blog post, um, because I recently I've read my site to from WordPress to Ghost, for link Frank's footsteps. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll realize that I had not a blog post in like six years. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, me too. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I said, the podcast has just been no time for blocking. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: I've got, I looked at the list of drafts on my blog. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, yeah, I got it. [SPEAKER_00]: Most of those don't apply anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a pretty AI. [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing on that on those drafts is so enjoyable anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: I figured who we were talking to, but there is some talk about doing blogs and stuff like that too. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, [SPEAKER_01]: I should have tip my website, so I actually got a cloud code to just rebuild the whole theme of the website. [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was going to get her pages and still get her pages, whatever rates of cloud went in, did everything. [SPEAKER_01]: And it actually looked really nice now, so check it out, caremated.com.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I still don't have any new blog posts. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe one of these days I'll do that. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to use AI to make my blog posts. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a line I don't want to cross yet. [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows, maybe I will at some point, but that's not yet. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk to some feedback from some previous episodes.

[SPEAKER_01]: So on Twitter, shout-out to Sebastian for pointing us to a PC [SPEAKER_01]: where because of the big AWS strategy in North Virginia, there's a smart bed. [SPEAKER_01]: And actually Paul was mentioned this on the e-mail from the e-mail newsletter from Mario Gnomah Foundation as well. [SPEAKER_01]: We're a sleep8, they're a smart bed system of some kind. [SPEAKER_01]: They suffered an outage with AWS going down.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now there are people's beds where either overheating or stuck in the wrong position or whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: So if there's ever a case for local, forget privacy, forget all of that, just [SPEAKER_01]: right there. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_01]: It's, uh, if, uh, I'd be, I'd be pretty mad if I lost a full night of sleep or a better part of a night of sleep because of an AWS average. [SPEAKER_00]: I am like, I can't believe that the mattresses wouldn't work, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure this would have to be some product safety issue, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like the fact that the bed could overheat, like you couldn't turn the heating mode off on this bed, because at the internet wasn't connected, like that surely has to be some safety regulation that goes against it. [SPEAKER_01]: And also, I don't know, it's just a good design would say.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, AWS themselves are like, hey, put your product in multiple availability zones of yeah, you know, one of my availability is, are one of our, one of our regions goes down. [SPEAKER_01]: Then, uh, I didn't another region kind of thing, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So. [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever, that one's just silly, but it's actually some YouTube comments, just somewhere just a minute or not, dude, I love that name on Blacks.

[SPEAKER_01]: So not sure what the hate for Blacks is, it's got a lifetime pass and you're done, one time fee, it just works, the UI is polished, tons of add-ons, it's awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: to be honest, mb and jellyfen are not up to par, and if developers were put on the case, let's be honest, there would also be a monthly charge or a lifetime fee. [SPEAKER_01]: Development doesn't come cheap, and if Flex is an indication in development pays off.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have mixed thoughts about this one. [SPEAKER_01]: I still use Flex, I do, I actually have a lifetime subscription of Flex as well. [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of the hate also comes from the fact that Plex is, again, I haven't had this happen, but Plex is allegedly they are going through and looking at the content based on the content, they're like shutting down subscriptions and those kind of things, right? [SPEAKER_01]: No, surely not. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I've heard.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is not Rohan's. [SPEAKER_01]: This is somebody telling somebody who told me so this could be very, very wrong, but that is one thing I've heard. [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I don't know if there's one of those things where it's like that's a rumor and that's not true and blah, blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_01]: I have not had much of an issue with Plex itself. [SPEAKER_01]: I've had an issue with my underlying storage with Plex, which is no fault of Plex.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I do like that it's, I do like how polish it is, it is very family friendly. [SPEAKER_01]: But I've heard just random things about Plex. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, none of them have affected me. [SPEAKER_01]: sketchies, something, something, something, but again, I do always like the other side of this, which is, you don't envy jellyfen, those kind of projects, which are, I was like that there's a free alternative. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to have to pay for something.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to have to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: But is Plex a better experience? [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't used envy or jellyfen, but probably, [SPEAKER_01]: I would think, at least from what I've heard and what I've seen, it looks a little more polished, it looks a little better, not to say that it is. [SPEAKER_00]: I do, I think, yeah, just some internet to it is right here. [SPEAKER_00]: I think a good lifetime pass and you're done. [SPEAKER_00]: I did that very long time ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think the hate from Plex is coming from more of what their recent developments are in terms of moving more to streaming. [SPEAKER_00]: So they've got Plex channels now. [SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to really through that down your throat, essentially, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, go open up the Plex app.

[SPEAKER_00]: and it's some of the content is the first you see right like it's all the plex channels what's on this movie channels on this streaming channel and it's general like it's not movies you're going to want to watch right um market the occasional good one in there um or it's just um [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Jokes on TV shows and stuff like that, like streaming channels.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do get, and the U.S. polished, there's ambient jelly in a great, but yeah, they're just not there yet. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I agree. [SPEAKER_00]: With the premise here, I just think the hate fromplex is coming from, you know, the [SPEAKER_00]: the decisions it's taking. [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of those decisions was also the fact that now they are looking into your library and potentially sharing that with your friends. [SPEAKER_00]: You do have to opt out of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was opt-in by default. [SPEAKER_00]: So Rohan, if you and I were friends on Plex and I started watching a TV show in my Plex library, your Plex newsletter would say, what do you check out? [SPEAKER_00]: This TV show that you have a friend watching, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and that's not like necessarily like I do I want to see how much 90 day fiancee I get to watch like gee, do I want to see that, um, very nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's into, I just, I just, I just put it to pro-plexity here. [SPEAKER_01]: Why does Flex have so much hate, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So first point is that Flex is shifted away from self-hosting and they're prioritizing at their ad-supported streaming service, so introducing commercial, and so on, paid features even for accessing your own personal media.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, more about ads, forced UI changes, which whatever that's fine, I don't care about forced UI changes as much. [SPEAKER_01]: There's apparently a lot more playback errors and bugs and glitches so far these days. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I haven't run into those personally, but. [SPEAKER_01]: that, you know, I could totally see that. [SPEAKER_01]: Another big one here is, like you said, Phil, privacy, and telemetry issues, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So, where Paul C. changes have suggested increased data collection. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, people don't need to know that, you know, how much of XYZTP shows you watch or, you know, which could, again, potentially be your private libraries not getting either exposed, your monetized, those kind of things, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So from a privacy perspective, I do very much agree with that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, and again, I think people are just like, hey, you know, certain price hikes, the people that aren't locked into a lifetime plan like I am. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of alienated a few people. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what that's what complexity is saying. [SPEAKER_01]: I do agree with the most of those, maybe not all of those, but you know, here you go.

[SPEAKER_00]: MacDoc was talking about smart plugs on YouTube as well, and they were talking about, they tried it with their three-day printer to get the power statistics, so I was mentioning that I was using smart plugs for monitoring my fridge, monitoring my nest, but for MacDoc, they're plugged kept powering down, possibly because I'm the printer draws too much power,

[SPEAKER_00]: And then two can, IN, came in and said, for pro tip, if you are using an ESP home plug with a 3D printer, don't forget to set the reboot time out to 0 seconds, which is under the API YAML key.

[SPEAKER_00]: That way it won't blink or turn off and on when homemissive isn't available. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're using an ESP home based smart plug, there's a little tip there. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize that. [SPEAKER_01]: I actually do have a smart plug on my 3d printer and haven't had any issues. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Is it as behind this? [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually an enterprise one.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's actually meant for like, you stick it on behind a server or something like that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So you can. [SPEAKER_01]: it can handle a little more power drawn so on, so in theory, in theory. [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, my, my, my hasn't shut off or anything like that yet, so that's good enough for us or you can do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, GWMI, I'm not sure if I pronounce that, but on blue skies, it mentions that the atom tech sells energy monitoring smart plugs with no release, so you can monitor energy one energy usage without the risk of the device tearing off. [SPEAKER_01]: When we just talked about some of the episodes, I think that we just recorded last week, potentially. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is interesting because I've also read a lot of people complaining about especially some of the older we mode devices that do do energy monitoring the after a few years that devices fail because electronics in there to actually measure the electricity going through there starts to fail. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'd be interested to see if these sort of devices that don't have the relay but are measuring electricity.

[SPEAKER_00]: also have that potential issue, you know, five in a 10 years time, will they potentially just not be able to pass power through them anymore, even though they don't have a really? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure how the technology works, but I'm curious to know how accurate like and a pass of energy and monitor like with like a CT clamps are, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like how accurate is that relative to actually [SPEAKER_01]: Because at that point, why would you not use that and it's completely out of the way? [SPEAKER_01]: And again, maybe it's an accuracy thing, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'd love, you know, leave us a comment. [SPEAKER_01]: Let me know if I'm off-face here. [SPEAKER_01]: But, duh. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and there's a few companies that do the CT teams.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't actually have their whole... [SPEAKER_00]: They've got a few products out there to do three-phase, single-phase. [SPEAKER_00]: You can actually put in your break-a-box to miss your whole circuits. [SPEAKER_00]: I think Aotec have... [SPEAKER_00]: heavy-duty power monitoring that you see T-clamps for things like washing machines dryers. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like I'd be yeah, you just know too. [SPEAKER_00]: Like is there an accuracy issue with those?

[SPEAKER_00]: Not too familiar with T-clamp. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can also build your own with ESP home and I get ESP32 and just bunch of CT clamps too, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And it's I've seen a couple of those designs at their two. [SPEAKER_01]: So [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let me know. [SPEAKER_01]: Let me know. [SPEAKER_01]: Is there something going on? [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody who knows more about this topic than I do, which is probably not everybody.

[SPEAKER_01]: But... [SPEAKER_00]: OK, 2025 dot 11. [SPEAKER_00]: If you are a user of the automation UI, this is probably going to be a pretty big release for you. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to get started, starting to it. [SPEAKER_00]: There is a new target picker now available. [SPEAKER_00]: So when selecting a device or entity, the target picker is made a massive overhaul.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's now easier to understand what you're selecting.

[SPEAKER_00]: For example, when selecting an area, it will show you which entities in that area you'll be selecting and it can give you a breakdown from which device they're coming from, so you can actually click on the entities The entities link and it will say, okay, you're turning on, for example, fills light, which is connected to Philips Hue, which is connected to this bridge [SPEAKER_00]: So, getting from this room from this bridge.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's... [SPEAKER_00]: In from that respect, yes, it makes a lot more sense. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a big change. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they're doing a whole bunch of changes in the... Or maybe at the time, which we get to in an insect. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's going to be more coming out, because over the next six months at least.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even the last couple of releases I feel like they've been just like adding more useful stuff nicer stuff, cleaning it up a little bit that kind of stuff too, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So which is which is great, that to me is the heart of home assistant so I do think it's great to always show that kind of stuff some love so. [SPEAKER_01]: There's also a new way to add triggers, conditions, and actions as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: So when you add one of those to your automations from the UI, you'll basically just be presented at better layout and how to select these. [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing new or removed or anything like that. [SPEAKER_01]: It's entirely cosmetic, but it's just again, it's a little bit of a cleanup, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So it's nice to, you know, eat a little easier to work with. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I will put in a little request here.

[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that I dislike about some of the the automation editor is the when selecting a device like for example, I'm selecting a [SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted the trigger to be when the light turns on, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But, or sorry, maybe a condition is a bit of an example. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, when the light is turned on, I want the condition to pass.

[SPEAKER_00]: But when I'm using a device selector, and it's a Z-wave device, or Z-h-A device, there's a whole bunch of just... [SPEAKER_00]: Diagnostic crap that's in there, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So for example, from using a down-light example, I click press this, when the light turns out to be when the light's on, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But I've got to know if it's that way of setting value one is equals to this or set value of system setting two to this.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is just a whole bunch of, [SPEAKER_00]: like crap in there that I don't want to scroll through. [SPEAKER_00]: I have to scroll down the list to eventually get turn off the light or light is on. [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if I don't. [SPEAKER_01]: So when this split things out into like controls diagnostics and I forget a third section there. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think configuration.

[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't that supposed to solve that problem where you shouldn't see like the identify button for a device or something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that works for when you're viewing the device, but not in like this automation editor plays. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought I was going to work on that too. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: What I've been doing though lately is is tagging whatever I want with with labels.

[SPEAKER_01]: and I run the automation against the label. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a few cases where I do it directly against the device, but for the most part, I do like, so for this room example, I'll tell you I was mentioning the other day where I was mentioning this offline little embarrassing, but for a whole automation podcast, my podcasts, I actually didn't have a podcast mode for quite a while.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, like my, my lights that are in front of me here, the light, my ceiling light, my blinds, clothes, and so on, so forth. [SPEAKER_01]: So, what I've done is I've actually tagged all of these as podcasts. [SPEAKER_01]: Right? [SPEAKER_01]: So, I have an automation now that says, hey, turn on all the lights or switches labeled podcast. [SPEAKER_01]: So, it's just one straight shot.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that way, tomorrow if I want to add another device onto that, [SPEAKER_01]: I have another light on the other side of me. [SPEAKER_01]: I can go in and just tag that podcast and I actually have to touch my automation either. [SPEAKER_01]: So there's an actual intrinsic benefit there too. [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that's something that that may help you there. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I will have to, yeah, I'll see. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't use tags, not what tags to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: What's in the garden, you know, what's, you know, out there. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's the same kind of logic that you used to filter in your mind that Homessess and can use to filter in it, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the way I look at it. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: So the naming entities on the dashboards has been updated. [SPEAKER_00]: So you can now choose Hat Names appear on your cards.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you can show the entity, the device, the area of the floor, or even combine them. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think they did something similar. [SPEAKER_00]: while we're going out, but sometimes this year where you could change the secondary text, the secondary line. [SPEAKER_00]: I've got it in mushroom cards and stuff, the tile cards. [SPEAKER_00]: So you could know, do you want the state? [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want it to say who it was updated by?

[SPEAKER_00]: It seems as though that has now been applied to the name as well. [SPEAKER_00]: Which is cool. [SPEAKER_00]: So then instead of having to rename like have a specific name, you can then choose, you know, which all wants the device, the area, the floor, or even combined like it, like it can actually, you know, actually. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: They can take light.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And that will apply to any other, because that means that if you decide to go, hey, I'm going to rename this device from the device. [SPEAKER_00]: It will actually then flow down into all your dashboards. [SPEAKER_00]: Because you don't have each device instance on which was it, I have to go and rename them all. [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if that would break a lot of stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like for example, I have like various specific names for certain things, right? [SPEAKER_01]: where I use my voice assistant either, Amazon Echo or a voice PE, to say like, hey, turn on this light. [SPEAKER_01]: So just habitually, I'm used to saying that for, I don't know how I've ever long, how many every year's that I've been doing that. [SPEAKER_01]: So now does it automatically alias it? [SPEAKER_01]: I know Amazon Alexa, there's.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Amazon Echo doesn't do aliases, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas the voice PE, for example, can. [SPEAKER_01]: So it depends on the device and so on, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if that kind of gets auto done there or if you have to set that up. [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like it might break some stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: If you, this is purely for like dashboards. [SPEAKER_00]: And like, yeah, it's, you know, not the entity name itself or anything. [SPEAKER_01]: OK, that's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: The energy graph has now been updated and it now has a pie chart available. [SPEAKER_00]: So, if you have energy monitoring and home resistance with all those smart plugs, we were just talking about you can now use a, you can change the graph to be a pie chart instead, which I have found to be quite useful already.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually fascinated by [SPEAKER_00]: flipped it over to pie chart and I was just looking at, you know, what's what's running and I think when I first started tracking my energy of my NAS, uh, LEDC, I was like, oh, my NAS is like the biggest consumer of more than my fridge. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I ended up

[SPEAKER_00]: because it's a synology now, so I ended up putting an automation in to turn it off when we leave a living room, because it almost got in place. [SPEAKER_00]: So turn off the NAS and then turn it on when we wake up in the morning and go into the living room. [SPEAKER_00]: And that saved a lot, like that's reduced, you know, I'm now cutting up like eight hours a day of that NAS just being online or where to sleep.

[SPEAKER_00]: So what I found now is that the [SPEAKER_00]: I have a smart plug monitoring my library switches and the POE power injectors for which the POE power injector switch which does my POE cameras around the house so I've got four cameras, one doorbell. [SPEAKER_00]: And that is drawing more energy, being on 247 than my fridge, which I was surprised.

[SPEAKER_01]: Either you have the most efficient fridge in the world or because most of these use most POE devices, if it's just standard POE, it's 15 watt, POE plus it's 30, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think you pick who do devices, I don't know you pick who do cameras, go beyond that, right, like 61, 90 watt, whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: that that is very surprising. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe I need to check my stats, but yeah, maybe you check whatever's monitoring your fridge.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I've got two, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, because they are different things. [SPEAKER_00]: One's a Zigbee thing monitoring the energy for the cameras and one's a Z-wave, while I'm tracking the fridge, right? [SPEAKER_00]: They could be using completely different algorithms or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I just need to go down the Shelly Rat and get the CT clamps on all my circuits just to verify how much data is there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I do like now that there's the Sankey, is that Sankey, I think, sounds pronounced that chart well to give a breakdown or a flow of where your energy is going, you can actually see if I had them, I would be able to see you know, by circuit, you know, circuit for the bedroom has this amount of power and then it breaks off [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: Progress updates of progress of updates has that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you can now see the progress of updates for the home assistant core and all of its add-on. [SPEAKER_01]: So anytime you go click on update, you get a little bar to this and it's always been there for like Zigbee devices and stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: See if there is a need of integration in for updating [SPEAKER_00]: the new home dashboard that has come out this year is now getting a little bit more smarter as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: So suggested entities and favorites are now combined into a single smart section, showing you what's most relevant in one place. [SPEAKER_00]: Areas are now grouped by floor, making it easier to browse and understand your homes layout. [SPEAKER_00]: So if multi-level living, that's great. [SPEAKER_00]: the lights, climate, and safety views have been moved to their own dedicated panels, so you can get across them directly from under settings and dashboards.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I really like the fact that they're moving from that lovely place, but they're like, kind of having all these other options there, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, so now you can go in and start saying, hey, you know what? [SPEAKER_01]: This [SPEAKER_01]: this dashboard is exactly how I want to present my house, whatever, and it just gives you more default ways of doing it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And kind of what I was saying earlier about filtering out some of those other entities and stuff as well, like in the default dashboard right now, like you you create a new dashboard and it's everything, your configuration entities, your diagnostic entities, and the actual entities themselves for the device, right, that that you're [SPEAKER_01]: you know turning on and off a lighter or whatever it is. [SPEAKER_01]: And it is like just extremely overwhelming.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is really nice because it's a nice fresh start, right? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to see you know the the Zigbee firmware version of a Zigbee device on [SPEAKER_01]: my dashboard, right? [SPEAKER_01]: If I care to see that, I can go into the settings and actually look at that there. [SPEAKER_01]: But I do like seeing it just not there. [SPEAKER_01]: My whole family doesn't need to see it on tablet, so on and so forth, right? [SPEAKER_01]: I already guessed so.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, then in the future we might have and I like predefined admin templates or, you know, right, you know, to that sort of level. [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, so. [SPEAKER_01]: Switch, but they had a little bit of an update there.

[SPEAKER_01]: They got garage door support as well, [SPEAKER_00]: Portana, if using Portana in home isn't that's had a bit of love, there's now a whole bunch of switches and sensors in home assistance, so I assume that you'd be able to now see information on Docker containers running on other servers or yet on other servers around the home and maybe turn off and on as well, just don't switch off your home is container if you're running home, this isn't through Docker don't ask me how I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: just a side note there. [SPEAKER_01]: One of the things I don't do it anymore, but I had some iteration of my home dashboard thing. [SPEAKER_01]: I actually had a dedicated dashboard for monitoring home assistant services. [SPEAKER_01]: So, again, stuff that would typically run on a container on its own. [SPEAKER_01]: like even like whisper and like all of that kind of stuff that I used to run.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just run and I was at their home to the cloud now. [SPEAKER_01]: But when I did run those, I had to have a monitor of all of those. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was using a container, but I was using some other Docker. [SPEAKER_01]: I think probably just a native Docker add-on or something like that. [SPEAKER_01]: And that was great because I could just, in homelessness and I could be like, why isn't this working, just click another tab and just, oh my random container is down, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there's a place for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Unify, so LED control is now available for supported unify network devices if you More LEDs here life Well, I appreciate what you've got um, I don't know what it was there But if you've got like the One of the Wi-Fi access points in a hallway route, which I do maybe you want to turn off the LED light in my whatever reason We use it as another one, actually [SPEAKER_00]: If you're looking to upgrade your smartphone, you can't go past the zoos.

[SPEAKER_00]: Zeus have just released their brand news that wave long-range Siren in China, the ZSC-50-800-LR, which you might remember Agnes teasing when you were here a few months ago. [SPEAKER_00]: You can trigger audio and visual LED alarms based on smart sensors or other conditions, and the audio speaker plays your own files for personalized automation. [SPEAKER_00]: Or there's a selection in a preloaded library on the device.

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[SPEAKER_00]: then use then 78 to high power really allows you to control and monitor high load appliances up to 40 amps, which is perfect for full pumps, air compressors and other high power outlets. [SPEAKER_00]: For the best prices on all zoos products head over to the SmuttersTowse.com. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the SmuttersTowse.com. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I've ever mentioned the speaking of zoos, but I did eventually get around.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know I talked about this a while ago about my firearms expiring and so on and so forth. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm firing at the house and everything. [SPEAKER_01]: So I actually did end up doing a zoos 10.55.

[SPEAKER_01]: So my essentially, my smoke in CO alarm, it's a combined alarm, as a one spot, and then the Zeus controller basically gets plugged into that, the relay, and it taps into the traveler wire, because I've got a couple of those one, one upstairs one downstairs kind of thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: and just taps into it and it works awesome and it can actually so my fire alarm actually when you hit the test button it'll actually test both smoke and carbon monoxide and so and you can actually see the two different channels and yeah you can see the two so you can see which ones actually triggering [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so I can actually, I mean, realistically for my case, I, if any of them are triggering I'm makes a note of house. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's actually nice that I can actually see it I've created a couple of critical notifications by automation saying, hey, if this happens, then send both my wife and I, uh, a critical notification saying, hey, there's something going on. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's probably more for when we're not at home rather than when we are at home.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, just again, we can, these new spoke alarms are so loud, and so it's like, we're just, again, a good thing, I think, but yeah, so we've got that working and it's awesome, I really like it and that is connected to my, uh,

[SPEAKER_01]: I almost just, the other of us in the basement, so, uh, nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, very well. [SPEAKER_00]: How are you doing? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cool. [SPEAKER_00]: I question for you then, do you have any automations set up, or are you planning any automations around, like, fire safety? [SPEAKER_00]: For example, you know, it's like, I'm triggers turn on all the light.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: I'm literally hitting that on my to-do list after we finish the court thing is that is that's what I'm hoping to do is Again, maybe not even unlocked. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess I could do that unlocked or inspired.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was just going to turn on all lights in in our room in the hallways in the babies room potentially in the basement if there's any guests [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so, and the nice thing is, this is a way cheaper solution than getting smart devices, and also all of the smart devices that I saw are battery powered not means power. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, most of, or at least the ones that are that I, and again, like I said, I need smoke and I need CO, and that's my regulation here.

[SPEAKER_01]: And with a baby in the house and stuff like that, I would rather air on the side of safety there. [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I don't want that anyways, but yeah, so and turns out the people that lived here before me, they had an extra little cut out next to the smoke alarm. [SPEAKER_01]: We're back in the day, but it was two separate alarms, smoke ends, the separate CO.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I just tapped into the one that's the blank now, right, because I've always only ever used the combination alarm. [SPEAKER_01]: And so I didn't even realize that there was still stuff there. [SPEAKER_01]: There's still wiring there. [SPEAKER_01]: So when I opened it up, I'm like, oh, this is awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not it's completely segmented off. [SPEAKER_01]: There's power there. [SPEAKER_01]: There's the traveler wires. [SPEAKER_01]: It's great.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's fantastic. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I really like the solution. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm starting to give an update on that. [SPEAKER_01]: I know I talked about it a while ago. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so new integration is landing in 2025.11, five, five, five fly, three. [SPEAKER_00]: Can I integrate with that project? [SPEAKER_00]: It is a free open source personal finance manager. [SPEAKER_00]: It's got full transaction management. [SPEAKER_00]: So there's an API.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you can know, essentially, if you're managing your finances through there, I can see you doing some gamification through your home automations, isn't there? [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Metio.it, that integration uses meteorological data from the Lithuanian hydro-metiological, wow, that is such a hard word to say. [SPEAKER_01]: There it is, to provide regional weather forecasts for different locations in Lithuania.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, lunar time gateway, you can now integrate that. [SPEAKER_00]: It enables control and monitoring of a Dali lighting systems through lunar times a Dali gateway interface. [SPEAKER_01]: nice. [SPEAKER_01]: Nintendo's parental controls, so the parental controls integration connects with Nintendo's parental management service, which now allows you to monitor and manage device usage and restrictions off-pops, and that's actually kind of cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I looked into, because I read this in the list, I was like, oh, that seems interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: There's binary sensors for like, you know, is the device being, I think it's the device being used. [SPEAKER_00]: There's also switches, so you can say, okay, that's it, like lock out the device. [SPEAKER_00]: Or you can, you know, maybe you want to give them more of a budget.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you've maybe got to tie this into a Habititia, another home business integration, if they've done their chores and their habits correctly today, give them a middle of extra time on the Nintendo Switch, or if you're 5-5-3, has decided you spent too much money last week, you can't afford to spend more time on Nintendo, you get back to work, you know, put some parental controls on yourself.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yet, I think in terms of, and I think the Open Home Foundation touched on this in one of their latest mission statements too, or they will talk about work on the mission statement around using home automation for good and evil. [SPEAKER_00]: This is never because of a concentrating or their home foundation, a concentration of concentrating on everyone's using the open home and all the smart home for good.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is always bad actors and I do think that when we start integrating things, you know, like there is potential for bad things happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know we're talking about a game system here, you know, with parental controls, but you know, like, [SPEAKER_00]: It could, you know, could this be used as a weapon in some way like, you know, don't do this, you I'm going to look at it in Nintendo, or could it hack it, you know, go through home business and look at it in Nintendo, probably not, but, um, yeah, it becomes a bit powerful, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the parental control in Nintendo are there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, that's a bit of a ranch. [SPEAKER_00]: I just randomly reminded me of right like theories. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, comes a little bit of power, comes great responsibility. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I agree. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, act strong air. [SPEAKER_01]: The actor and air integration allows you to control their ACs in homicis.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Open RGB, you can now allow the unified control of RGB lighting across a various hardware brands through the open RGB project. [SPEAKER_00]: Now I actually haven't heard of the open RGB project, but yeah, I like anything open and RGB is cool. [SPEAKER_00]: So I assume it would be able to do some like maybe some WLED, it's behind some sort of RGB projects. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that looks cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is kind of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know, sir, I and ELS, you can integrate that smart home system to manage lighting, heating, and other kind of home automation controls the sentience or home control there. [SPEAKER_01]: So, there you go. [SPEAKER_00]: I love presence detection and thing is now available. [SPEAKER_00]: So, the thing integration allows you to network scanning, device detection, and presence monitoring capabilities using the thing platform.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, just gives you another data point to see who's home, who's not home. [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: And last but not least, the Dali Center. [SPEAKER_01]: So you can integrate that platform, which is for monitoring Dali based lighting systems. [SPEAKER_01]: So our DALI based lighting systems. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, some backwards incompatible changes coming into 2025 to 11, uh, the IBM Watson IoT platform is gone.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so that's been removed, uh, due to a lack of maintenance and usage. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I actually, you know what, I think I remember. [SPEAKER_00]: I was talking about this being released as a new component, like in many years ago, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a bit sad. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's also sad that it's not going away because I've been watching isn't around anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like there's no one there to maintain it, and they're full of no one's using it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why am I intended if you're not using it, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: Motion blind.

[SPEAKER_01]: So there's tilt deduction now for motion blinds. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's been, sorry, tilt detection was always there, but it's been reversed to a line with standard behavior. [SPEAKER_01]: So that means you probably want to adjust your automations because zero is now 100, 100 is no zero. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Python 3.14 support, the home is in our support, Python 3.14, this is going to cause a few issues with some custom components.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been caught out by this one already. [SPEAKER_00]: I use the custom component for grocery and that appears to be broken for me at the moment. [SPEAKER_00]: I've raised an issue on the day [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And last but not least, Nito, Nito, which we've talked about on the show for, I believe there are robot vacuums.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are integration, yeah, there are integration and all their analytics have been removed from homo-missistant, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: because of the cloud-destroying again. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was sure we were all at the music for the music for that one, but we are experimenting with live streaming to Patreon and YouTube today, so I didn't want to get to ahead of ourselves. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, this one, I don't know, did you read about this?

[SPEAKER_00]: This is... [SPEAKER_00]: pretty, a pretty interesting story. [SPEAKER_00]: So the, I think the company I got acquired by another company or a subdivision, you know, however it works, you know, the right evil corporations. [SPEAKER_00]: And they decided that, hey, this cloud thing is actually costing us a bit of money to keep running.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to commit to everyone to keeping it alive for five years and then after that, [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, they reneged on that and they were like, no, actually, we don't have enough money to do this for five years, we're going to shut it down quickly, but by doing that, not only can you no longer access your robot vacuum cleaner by the app.

[SPEAKER_00]: There are now the only way for you to start cleaning with the robot vacuum that you've paid for in your home is to physically go up and press a button on the dock or the vacuum cleaner. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: And now you can't do things like selecting the zone or room you want to clean. [SPEAKER_00]: It's either clean everything or clean nothing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you floor plan changes or you decide to sell that robot vacuum to another house, that's an important point of view from layout.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, you're out of luck because you can't now go in and upload any map to the robot vacuum cleaner or anything like that. [SPEAKER_00]: So that is, you know, if there's ever a case for not needing a cloud dependency like this is a case in point right here. [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if you're able to take that if you if you want to needle back a wonder if you're able to take that and install. [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of can't remember what the open vacuum firmware saw.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, there is, yeah, it's going to random Russian setting name, I think it is. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess not, like surely that would've come in as a replacement for these pretty quickly. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll quite, you know, like being able to root the device and get access to it that way. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Valetudo. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the long?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, news started with the V. [SPEAKER_00]: If you're like it needs to go to come out and said, hey, you know what, we are shutting down our cloud servers, we want to go ahead and open up the firmware or allow you to install a firmware that doesn't reply to cloud but allows you to access an internal API. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's so silly. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just terrible way to do things, but yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I just looked, I don't see it on a Palatino's list, but maybe I'm missing it too. [SPEAKER_01]: So check it out. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't trust me. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, like I think rubber rock would be another, like I have a rubber rock vacuum plan. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that would like a rubber rock side to tomorrow that their cloud is costing too much money. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that would be the same sort of boat, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Except the robot is supported on Palatino.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you see that? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, nice, maybe I'll look at it in someone. [SPEAKER_01]: there's a bunch and it that's manuals on it too. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see needle unfortunately for those of you that own it and I am truly sorry that that's happening to you. [SPEAKER_01]: That's really crappy. [SPEAKER_01]: But I guess that's all for today. [SPEAKER_00]: That's 25 to 11. [SPEAKER_00]: So thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: Cheers.

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