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Holy Ghosting

Meg & Sarairedcircle.com

Meg & Sarai are former church kids who came of age in 80s and 90s American Evangelicalism - We are Holy Ghosting 

In each episode, we tackle healing from our youthful experiences and the harm we endured and perpetrated as American Evangelicals, and we laugh, we're sarcastic ladies. 

We're working to reconstruct a community that gives a shit about our neighbors. Join us as we work to tear down the American foundation of patriarchy and white supremacy and rebuild a better world with equity and equality as Ex-Christians.

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Episodes

Extraction, Exploitation, and Ego: An Interview with Fina on Capitalism and the Church

Content heads up: rape, sexual assault, and institutional irresponsibility. The Evangelical church has quite an interesting relationship with capitalism and exploitation, and guess who cares about that? We do! And bonus: Fina of the Mindful Minds podcast cares about this too, so buckle up as she joins the Unfaithful Few, Lindsay, Meg, and Sarai, on today’s episode. Learn about how uncannily (and horrifically) THE SAME it is to grow up in the Evangelical church as a human being, especially one wh...

Aug 15, 20231 hr 22 minSeason 3Ep. 38

Best Of: Let's Talk About Camp, Baby!

Hey, Ghosties! Whether you rocked a camp t-shirt with a punny camp theme or wore one to cover your already modest AF bathing suit, you're going to enjoy our encore visit to Evangelical Christian summer camp! Gird your loins for some jarring admissions of life-long devotion to the very concept of summer camp, including our own Sarai admitting she'd reconvert if some camp would hire her to work there forever and ever. Spoiler alert: she's lying, but it's still a fun idea! Let's talk about the tear...

Aug 06, 202340 minSeason 3Ep. 37

Best Of: Travel The World On God's Dime

Ahoy, Ghosties! While we're still on break until we launch our next episodes starting in September, we missed you too much to stay all the way away. Give a listen to a classic episode from our first season and cringe at the stories of white saviorism, poverty tourism, and otherwise ghastly evangelizing activities Lindsay, Meg, and Sarai performed in their respective youths. Don't forget to rate (an honest five stars, oh please!) and review this podcast so other listeners like you can find us! Ro...

Jul 30, 20231 hr 12 minSeason 3Ep. 36

Age to Age She’s Still Aflame: Queer Joy with Flamy Grant

Y’all. Flamy Grant is this podcast’s favorite Drag Queen, and today’s episode is glorious because we get to talk with her! Join Meg and an ailing Sarai, as well as Lindsay, in spirit, as they chat with Flamy about queer joy and how we can all make more room to be more compassionate to ourselves and others. Pride month is full of celebration and joy AND ALSO a lot of your fave middle aged mom friends being their MOST middle aged mom-ness with relentless reminders to call your legislators and all ...

Jun 30, 202346 minSeason 3Ep. 5

It's Never Too Late: Coming Out After 30

Join your bestie ghostie trifecta, Lindsay, Meg, and Sarai as we have an amazing conversation with a particularly rad human being. Val is one of Meg's longtime dear friends, raised the same funky way we were in the Evangelical church. Listen as Val shares her journey of coming out in her 30's. Y'all, repression is REAL! She has a beautiful story to tell about self-discovery, community building, and representation. Most of all, she has clearly learned to trust herself - a massive accomplishment f...

Jun 28, 202341 minSeason 3Ep. 4

Image Management Strategies & More (Recap of Ep 4 Shiny Happy People)

This is the last of our four-episode series "Too Many Cults", where Lindsay and Krispin (from the Prophetic Imagination Station and Linds' BIL) recap the docuseries Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets .TW: religious abuse, sexual abuse, family cover-up of abuse, psychological abuse, harsh punishment of children), controlling parenting, grooming, and sexual abuse. Most of this episode discusses sexual abuse and child pornography. A short section 13:55-22:55 discusses the plan for Christian ...

Jun 26, 202350 min

Coming Out: Stories of Living Your Truth Under Christian Scrutiny

Content Heads-Up: this episode contains mentions of attempted suicide, mental health challenges, and sexuality and gender dysphoria. Listen with care and call your bestie if you need support. If you or someone you know is struggling with thoughts about taking their own lives, please dial the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988. Hey, Ghosties! What a day. As you know by now, Holy Ghosting is celebrating Pride this month with weekly episodes about different aspects of LGBTQ+ and Evangelica...

Jun 21, 202333 minSeason 3Ep. 3

Fascism in Plain Sight: A Recap of Ep. 3 of Shiny Happy People

Fascism in Plain Sight is the third episode of our mini-series "Too Many Cults", where Lindsay and Krispin (from the Prophetic Imagination Station and Linds' BIL) recap the docuseries Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets . In this episode we talk about how IBLP and Jim Bob Duggar hold onto money while those with less power do unpaid work. We also talk about how Gothard created an environment in the IBLP that encouraged abuse to exist with impunity. Krispin shares some of the parallels he sa...

Jun 19, 202347 min

Our Pride and Joy: Gender Affirming Parenting

Imagine, giving birth to a beautiful baby…assigning them a gender, and just a few years later finding out they already know themselves better than we ever could. Hearing “I’m a girl” from a kiddo you assumed was a boy can elicit a lot of reactions. Today we talk to two moms who heard their kids when their children told them who they really are and have chosen to raise them to affirm their respective genders. Their reactions were to believe and nurture their unique and beautiful children. That’s ...

Jun 14, 20231 hr 20 minSeason 3Ep. 2

An Environment Where Abuse Thrives (Recap of Ep 2 Shiny Happy People)

TW: religious abuse, sexual abuse, family cover-up of abuse, emotional neglect, psychological abuse, physical abuse (and violent punishment of children), intimate partner abuse. In this episode we talk about Bill Gothard’s teachings, women's gender roles, and parenting ideals that create environments where abuse could occur with impunity. This is the second of a four-episode series called Too Many Cults, where Lindsay and Krispin (from the Prophetic Imagination Station ) recap the docuseries Shi...

Jun 12, 202355 minSeason 3Ep. 2

God, Gays, and Getting Your Spiritual Groove Back with Kevin Garcia

Ghosties! Get ready for a month of amazing interviews celebrating PRIDE. Our first episode of this 4-Part Mini Series is a conversation with Kevin Garcia, author (of many things and most recently), “What Makes You Bloom: Cultivating a Practice for Connecting with Your Divine Self.” Kevin is a mystic who has discovered a path back to himself and his spirituality after a lifetime of Evangelical gay-shaming…nay, gay-annihilating… doctrine and practice. Luckily, the Vengeful Evangelical God™️ doesn’...

Jun 07, 20231 hrSeason 3Ep. 1

19 Cults and Counting: A Recap of Ep. 1 of Shiny Happy People

This is the first in a special four-episode series: Too Many Cults, hosted by Lindsay and Krispin (from the Prophetic Imagination Station ). They recap the docuseries Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets [Amazon Prime] TW: religious abuse, sexual abuse, family cover-up of abuse We’re recapping the episodes, talking about what stands out to us, and processing some religious trauma along the way. Oh! And you can find episodes on both podcasts, a true crossover series! We're calling the series...

Jun 05, 202352 minSeason 3Ep. 1

I Don't Want It: The Pain of Purity Culture with Dr. Laura Anderson, PHD

Imagine a world, where you could admit that you were interested - nay, desirous of - sex. What?? That's nuts - ladies don't want that shit, right?? Get ready to think again: it's ok to want sex (contrary to popular DC Talk lyrics). Join your triumphant trio as they talk with Dr. Laura Anderson about the literal pain and trauma that purity culture leaves in its wake. Did you, for instance, know that sex is supposed to feel good????? And that feeling good includes not having pain? And what about t...

May 28, 20231 hr 25 minSeason 2Ep. 13

Be Anything. Do Anyone. Feminism, Motherhood, and the ERA

It's an episode about motherhood! It's an episode about feminism! It's an episode about feminism and motherhood and all of the fun messages we were taught about being a Good Christian Girl ™ ! In this episode we get into all the nitty gritty of what it means to identify as a woman in The United States of Evangelical America. Here are just a few of the things we cover: -The Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) -Concerned Women for America and the work of Phyllis Schlafly (spoiler: she's not in favor of e...

May 18, 20231 hr 9 minSeason 2Ep. 12

Being Black in White Churches: Where Belonging is Actually Just Conformity

Your fave middle-aged mom apostates connect with their friend Shaunea, a black woman who grew up in almost exclusively white spaces when her white mother converted to Christianity in the 1980’s. Sha’s mom had the kind of testimony Evangelicals went batshit crazy for back then (and still now!) Sha’s story about growing up black in a white Evangelical world reveals some of the deeper beliefs and White Supremacist/Christian Nationalist leanings that have been with the American Evangelical church fr...

Apr 30, 20231 hr 20 minSeason 2Ep. 11

We Don’t Need No (Public) Education: Schooling for Evangelicals

If you grew up with Creationism instead of Science or had odd electives like Lapidary or Little House on the Prairie Curriculum then you may have been schooled by Christian Education! Our three hosts share all about their sheltered education from unschooling, homeschooling, and private education …so you know there are some pretty wild stories from Christian Campus life. If you’d like to support the show, become a Ghostie at Patreon.com/holyghosting Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com...

Apr 16, 20231 hr 10 minSeason 2Ep. 10

This Hurts Me More Than it Hurts You: And Other Lies from the Cult of Dobson Discipline

Growing up in American Christianity in the 80’s and 90’s meant we were smack dab in the height of Dobson Domination. That is, Dr. James Dobson and his Focus on the Family ubiquity in the realm of parenting and child rearing advice, children’s entertainment (and, behind the scenes, lobbying and more exciting political dealings)… If your parents “dared to discipline” their “strong-willed children” the Dobson way, you probably got a good amount of spanking, control, and fear in your childhood. Pare...

Apr 02, 20231 hr 22 minSeason 2Ep. 9

That’s Me In The Corner: DL Mayfield on Neurodivergence, Evangelicalism, and Losing Her Religion

Growing up neurodivergent and in the throes of evangelicalism, a high control and fear-based religion, offered DL Mayfield one choice...to be the best darn good girl she could be, the bestest christian and martyr for the lord, and to do it with perfection and grace. And so she did. FOR YEARS, DECADES even! Come along on a wild ride as we hear how DL Mayfield (Lindsay's sister!!!) has begun to disentangle her life from the world she grew up in after her autism diagnosis...and now she's Holy Ghost...

Mar 19, 20231 hr 10 minSeason 2Ep. 8

Are you there, God? It's me. I left this performance fleece outside for you

When we were kids, we were told to listen to “the voice of God” which was usually something someone else told us, and rarely, if ever, something we actually “heard” with our ears. Even our own intuition couldn’t possibly be right, so we spent our childhoods and young adulthoods under the impression that we couldn’t make a decision lest we be out of God’s will. In the Bible, there are SO MANY stories about people using divination to understand what they perceived the will of God to be - and some ...

Mar 05, 20231 hrSeason 2Ep. 7

Rolling with My Holies: Revival in the Land

Not since Carman personally slayed the DEVIL himself when he called for Revival in the Land has there ever been such a meaningful movement of the awakening of the Christian spirit's openness to the Holy Ghost. Not until now. Asbury University has experienced a celebrity-level Revival in the Land amongst its student body. But, REVIVAL...what is it good for? Dr. Amy Ferrell "I hope for everyone's sake that if there is any kind of awakening that it is to the truths of this world. Especially the tru...

Feb 24, 20231 hr 19 minSeason 2Ep. 6

God Hates Divorce But Sarai Loves It

It’s no surprise “God Hates Divorce” or at least “God Hates Divorce for Women” in evangelical christianity. There’s only one thing that will end a marriage in God’s eyes…ADULTERY. But even then, sometimes it’s best to forgive (the man) and stay married! We’re all big fans of personal choice over here, even if you signed a legal (gasp!) document one time when you were 20 (oh, was that just Meg?!) you don’t HAVE to stay in a relationship you don’t like (you don’t even have to say your reason). Joi...

Feb 17, 20231 hr 10 minSeason 2Ep. 5

This is Your Mom on Drugs

A lot of things were considered real bad in the 80’s and 90’s - especially for evangelical kids like your fave trio, Lindsay, Meg, and Sarai. The devil, yikes! Having boobs, terrible! Even thinking about or knowing anybody who drank any kind of alcohol?? NO! And especially…DRUGS. Then again, in the 80’s and 90’s, drugs were bad for everyone, because Nancy Reagan said so. This season is all about Taboos! In this episode, we delve into the realm of substances and how we’ve learned where, when, and...

Feb 03, 20231 hr 22 minSeason 2Ep. 4

Fat & Faithful: Finding Freedom through Fat Liberation

In this season of the podcast, we’re talkin all about taboos. The people, places, things, and beliefs that never really quite fit into the narrow scope of evangelicalism. You know, all the things you couldn’t/shouldn’t/wouldn’t talk about because you were a Good Christian Girl™. Things like BODIES. Thanks to our ole friend Purity Culture, talking about bodies was weird. (You could even say it was TABOO!) And, if you were unlucky enough to be born with ample breasts - aka “Heavenly Hills” - well,...

Jan 21, 20231 hr 1 minSeason 2Ep. 3

We’re All From a Long Line of Leavers: an Interview with Derek Webb

In this very special episode of Holy Ghosting, we got to chat with everyone’s favorite rogue CCM songwriter, Derek Webb of Caedmon’s Call! If you were an evangelical Christian in the 90’s/2000’s, you know who we’re talkin about. Caedmon’s Call was THE band of youth groups and Bible colleges. And as it turns out, Derek is quite literally from a Long Line of Leavers (SEE WHAT WE DID THERE?!) and after a long and successful career in the Christian music industry, he decided to leave Christianity en...

Jan 13, 20231 hr 2 minSeason 2Ep. 2

Burn It Down: the Evangelical Environmental Agenda

As Evangelical children in the 80’s and 90’s, we had plenty of Big Terrible Things to fear. Satanic Panic was in full swing, stranger danger lurked in every darkened doorway, and America’s Most Wanted sailed into our living rooms on the reg. One of the most fearful things, of course, was the rise of Environmentalism. (BUT WHY?!) Seriously, though, does anybody know why Evangelicals - people who believe God literally created the world and everything it and who believe the earth is a gift from God...

Jan 06, 202355 minSeason 2Ep. 1

Giving up the Ghost

One afternoon, months and months ago, three loudmouth Type-A women gathered in Meg’s living room to record the inaugural episode of Holy Ghosting (“Panic at the Altar”). And if that weren’t enough sharing for one day, we decided to share our Testimonies and catch each other up on our walks, because that’s what fellowship is, we supposed. So if you’ve ever wondered how we went from Good Girls to whatever we are now, this is the episode for you. Each of us had similar beginnings, but we each had a...

Dec 02, 20221 hr 11 minSeason 1Ep. 13

The White Elephant Gift to Our Ghosties

Hiiiii! We’re surprising you this week with an extra special bonus extravaganza bonanza to let our beautiful Ghosties know we’ve launched a *drumrollllllllll* Patreon. Can you even believe it? You can?? Well, good. Because it’s the gospel truth. We wanted to let y’all know that you, if you are so bold as to join the Ghostie brigade at any level before 12:00 AM on January 1, 2023, you’ll be an Eternal Ghostie with all access to everything we create now and into perpetuity, or until we all die, wh...

Nov 19, 202245 minSeason 1Ep. 12

Your Holiday (Spiritual) Gift Guide

Every holiday season brings tidings of great joy and shiny toys for the girls and boys (and people) who celebrate whatever holidays. For evangelical kids, the gifts kept giving all year long, because ours were…spiritual. Join Lindsay, Meg, and Sarai as they troll through their past and reanimate their spiritual ghosts, we mean gifts. Remember words normals never use (exhortation, anyone??), join us as we talk through the controversy surrounding tongues (with and without interpretation, nerds), a...

Nov 11, 202247 minSeason 1Ep. 11

Little Rebellions

What’s one thing you regret NOT doing as a young evangelical? If you’re like us, it probably had something to do with sex. Don’t worry, the entire episode isn’t about premarital sexual things…but most of it is. So, content warning for those of you who want to be the ones to tell your teens that self-pleasure is good and to worry more about giving consent and getting consent than crossing an imaginary purity boundary imposed by people that were obsessed with our virginity. But that isn’t the only...

Oct 28, 202254 minSeason 1Ep. 10

The Elephant in the Room: Evangelicals, White Nationalism, and the GOP

SURPRISE! We couldn't stay quiet about politics...so we're sharing a bonus episode! Our advice in a nutshell? Vote your VALUES. If you “search engine” * the term “What should I NEVER talk about?” you’ll get a lot of lists. Most of those lists include sex, death, money, and especially religion and politics. Unfortunately, for those consumed with propriety, this podcast pretty much covers all of them at one point or another. In this episode, join your favorite throuple, Lindsay, Meg, and Sarai, to...

Oct 21, 202257 minSeason 1Ep. 9
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