Hey everybody, before we get into the episode I would like to do this plug really quickly. Our friends at Craftisimo on Typing Shan Shan Wan have been running for about 12 years and if you have been listening to the podcast, you know we plug their anniversary every year. So now is the time Craftisimo is coming into its 12th year this Saturday 26th of April. At Craftisimo, you can buy anything in the fridge and get a beer on tap for the entire day. Food for Embola as well.
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So if you're at the anniversary party on the 26th of of April, Saturday, you get to try the food framble as well. Also, new merch will drop from Craftisimo. The event starts at 1:00 PM and it will run all the way until 9:00 PM. Craftisimo says bring your thirst and your appetite. Now let's get into the show. So I reiterate here, the bill is dead. The story of this great city is about the years before this night. I think a lot of the stuff I do, it's what just what I said earlier.
Been selling beer for 10 years in Hong Kong. Why do you sell, by the way? We are live. Well, not live as in people watching. But I decided to do something a little different today since you're also a friend, which is to just start recording in the middle of a conversation. See how that goes? So like I said earlier, this we've been neighbors for three years. Yes, this is the first time I've come to your place. I did actually catch your Wi-Fi
from here. I don't have the password, I should probably get it. You bastard. Do you know what my Wi-Fi is called? It had your name on it. That's how I knew. Oh, that's. Probably my TV. Right, okay, so maybe I should hack into your TV and all right, Hey everybody, it's a new episode of oh, Hong Kong. I I hope that wasn't so, so weird for you. I think I would enjoy if you just like walk into the middle
of a conversation. So where I'm sitting here with my buddy Ishan Arif. I will get to him in a second. But just so you know, Vivek is still away. He is in Australia. I think he just finished the tour in New Zealand. He's still doing the post production on this, which is very cool given how busy his schedule is over here in Hong Kong.
We are we just wrapped up the Jiao Ying summers tour shows rather, and some of you I I, I recognize some of familiar faces, people who listen to the podcast. So I know people listening where it came to the show and there's a lot of interesting stuff. I think what I decided to do with this one is I have to wait for Vivek to come back because I would really like his insight. And also, you know, given our dynamic, I think it would be better.
And obviously he'll come back with a lot of stories. So we're just going to have to wait for this full story for for May when Vivek comes back. However, there is also some technical issue that happened and you guys know that I'm a little bit dumb when it comes to running this stuff, which is why Vivek is the guy who's doing it. So the episode of Guarantee came out great. The Patreon episode did did not come out at all. Not great or not. It just did not come out because I messed up.
I don't know what happened. So I was supposed to record another one and Justice release it. I was going to just do it by myself basically, and then I got busy with the Jiao Ying summer shows. So what happened is that I didn't record a Patreon episode at all. And I'm so sorry for this.
However, if you're on Patreon and by the time you listen to this, I did record now an episode that is on Patreon and it does go a little bit into some of the details I wouldn't honestly be comfortable talking about publicly on a free episode. So if you are on the Patreon, you can get a little a lot more and it will just be me ranting. Think of Bill Burr basically, but way less funny and way more angry because he chilled out. Now I am very mad.
So you'll just get that unfiltered rant of the story of this week and on the public episode when Vivek comes back, I will be telling the full story in more detail but also bouncing with Vivek. So that's all we have right now.
The backstage comedy shows are on hold for a couple of weeks for reasons that you can probably get from either the Patreon or when we do the public episode you'll understand we will be back around the I'm hoping for the 3rd of May, if not definitely the 10th of May. Then we'll have all our things in order. Now let's get to our guest, back to Isha and Isha. And how are you doing, man? I'm doing great dude. So, you know, I, I don't really like to do the whole like, tell us about yourself.
But now that people got a little bit about you, they also, I think people mostly recognize you by either the the Dead Poets, which is your bar, or the quizmaster. Right. Yeah, those are two of the things I actually do. My day job for the past 10 years has been beer. Are you a Brewer or like what? What did you do? I. Sell beer I can't brew for shit. I always joke with the Brewers that they can do my job, I can't do theirs. Right. Yeah, it's a lot of chemistry to
it, right? It's basically being in a huge lab. Yeah, even the Brewers I've worked with in the past, they've all been chemical engineers. Right, right. Yeah. They no doubt way too much my job should take whatever they do. Shout out to my buddy Kareem and also one of our OG listeners listens every week. Listens to Patreon huge, you know, follower of the podcast that he is a big beer nerd and he lives in Shanghai.
Next time he's in town, he nerded out with Akhil at curfismo many times to the point that I have to be like, I'm like Kareem, Akhil has work, Please stop. So but yeah, so I imagine that that it's a kind of a rabbit hole, right? Like a lot of stuff. It it is I, I actually kind of got into it accidentally I think 10 years ago. I was still in uni and a friend of a friend of the time was hiring for this company and I was still in college and I said I know nothing about beer.
I'll come work part time. Did you you grew up in India? Yeah. I grew up in India and in Hong Kong. Most of my, I think, adult life I've been in Hong Kong. And your family? When did they come to Hong Kong? 1994. Oh wow, OK. What was the reason for them moving here? Just like any immigrant parents, they wanted to get out and. And what industry were they in? Funny enough, my mom made all our passports. She had a job at the Indian consulate at the time. Huh. So in 94 all the passports were
still handwritten. Yes. So my first, I still have one of those. It's not active. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah, you have one as well. My mom wrote my passport. That's amazing. That's the one who laminated. It for me to get on a flight to get to Hong Kong. I still have those passports. Would it be a Was there ever a situation when your mom like takes work home and then she's just sitting on the dining table just laminating passports at. Home, I think even back then
there was some security issues. I don't think they'd let you take passport home. Yeah, OK, fair enough. But yeah, she, she worked there for a couple of years. She also worked at Wendy's part time back then. You guys have Wendy's in India? No, no, we just, I mean, I, I was just in India last month. Yeah. And every time I go, I, I visit once a year. Yeah. But every time I go, there's always something new. Right.
Yeah, OK. Especially the city, Bangalore, It, it grows at such a scale, yeah, and so rapidly. That is it. As fast-paced as Hong Kong, you think? Oh. Yeah, really on steroids. But there's also a billion people in the country. Of course. And a lot of young people are getting very rich. Yeah, there's a lot of new stuff coming up. Yeah, startups and whatnot. And some of the stuff I saw on
this trip was just blew my mind. Like some of the really cool restaurants and bars I went to. This could be anywhere in the world. That's so cool. Like high quality stuff? Man, I would love to visit. Oh. Yeah, it's just beautiful. And with Bangalore, it's everyone talks about the weather. It's obviously global warming. Things are getting warmer. So is it just like kind of sticky? No, Bangalore is beautiful. Oh, OK. Where's Bangalore?
I'm dumb. Where's Bangalore? Bangalore's in the South, OK, So it's one of the biggest cities. Is that where is it in relation to Goa? So Goa will be on the east? Yeah, you go further down. I think by Rd. Goa would be about 12-14 hours. I might be wrong. Yeah, I haven't looked at the geography so far. But yeah, OK, so you grew up and we our obviously friends. So I know a little bit about you like you grew up in a Muslim household.
Yeah, right. How how did that, how did that not affect, but how did that rationalize in your head starting to work with alcohol? Because I have also something similar doing stand up and you know, being surrounded by alcohol and stuff. But. You're not again. So my family is actually kind of my parents eloped and got married. So my mom comes from a very Hindu household, South India, and my dad's from a very traditional conservative Muslim family. So they fell in love, they run
away. Mom's side of the family, they're all just mad fox. Like they're insane. They're super. Like nationalistic or? No, they're just fun loving. People Oh fun loving OK wow they. Travel well, well, my dad's side, they're very, you know, stick with your roots, they kind of thing. My dad now he's even though he's a Muslim, he he doesn't what's the word I'm looking for? Doesn't constantly tell you to do things. He's like, just leave me alone, Let me do my thing.
I won't force you to do it. So I'm not that religious. Yeah, but. You're not. No way, No fuck. That, but there's also a little bit of that respect because the family does it. Yeah, it's also like you grew up around it, right? Like, it's just like, yeah, you can't just completely ignore it, yeah. Yeah, I remember a couple of years ago you were doing like a Ramadan thing in your house and stuff like. Yeah, you still like, I mean, yeah, a lot of the cultures I think about is just food
related, right? Yeah. So every time we go to India, it's like, oh, food behind me. Fuck yeah, man. Yeah, but it's actually interesting. Like we, we're recording today right after you dropped your dad off to the airport. And I'm thinking, man, what a waste of opportunity. I would want to hear from him about how the whole, because obviously the tension between Hindus and Muslims, and I'm sure you can also tell me, but I wanted to kind of hear it from
the horse's mouth. Like what is that like? Especially back then, it was like what, the 60s or the 70s? He like ran away. I think it was probably the 70s, late 80s. Yeah. My parents are still quite young ish. Yeah, comparatively, I think my dad's like 64 at the moment. Yeah, but what was that story like? What? What do you know about it? Like running away My. Mom's family was very against it, so my granddad basically disowned her for a while. It's only after my sister was born.
I have an elder sister. Yeah. It's only when she was born that they kind of melted. And, yeah, all right, fine. And my dad was really good, too. My grandparents, so they absolutely loved him. And it kind of mellowed out the whole Muslim thing.
Yeah, things were peaceful until when I was think, 1514, when my parents split up, not because of religious things, it was just a lot of personal shit going on. They both had different ideas and how their life should be and their kids are grown up and they didn't have to take care of their kids anymore. So me and my sister were just off. But since then, I mean, I we don't, at least with my dad, I don't openly talk about a lot of things. I do. There's this mutual respect.
But I have the same with my mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like. I know what you're doing, but I'm not going to tell you. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, obviously because they know also you're here, they're familiar with Hong Kong, right? And they are like they know you're here, you're doing well. If you're, I think if you are like surviving in Hong Kong and not homeless on like a like a self-employed thing or whatever, you're doing great. Yeah. So it's it's obviously a brutal
city. I've, I've known a lot of people. I mean I I would have also come pretty close to being homeless at some point in. Oh yeah, me too. Everyone's had that story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think no, we're extremely privileged and very lucky. How does that the I'm I'm very fascinated by your parents story because I didn't even know about it. Like even though we're friends, how how does the whole Muslim Hindu thing play into the politics of the family now? Even if they are split up, No.
It really doesn't. I think they're, at least where I come from in Bangalore and South India, it's there's a little more of acceptance and everyone's sort of like friendly enough. Yeah. But obviously everything you hear in the news, it, it is the situation of the country. But generally in our family, we're quite like open Rachel about it. Yeah. My mom's side of the family and my dad, everyone gets along. Yeah, even though they've been
split up for so long, right. I haven't seen them in the same room for many, many years, but they still buy gifts for each other. And it's there's still a lot of cute things that they do for each other even though they're not together. Yeah, there's obviously that respect. Yeah, that we have. Me and my sister are quite close with both my dad and my mom, Right. In other sides, yeah. It's just a different relationship. My mom knows everything I do, right.
And it's I think it's just having breakthroughs and opening up with my mom a couple of years ago that changed it. So now just talk to her like she's made. Yeah. Like goof off a lot. That's awesome. She doesn't drink that much, we don't go out that much, but she knows everything I do. She knows where I work. She knows where I bar. So going back to to work, what, you didn't have any beer experience when you started? What was your background? Fucking 0 back. No, no.
But what did you study? Well, so first I went to film school, then I did Business School for two years, and then when I moved back to Hong Kong in 2014, I just quit my job in Bangalore when I was staying at the time. And my mom's like, I think you should go back to college and study some more. Yeah. Because, you know, I couldn't afford to get a job and pay rent. Yeah. So I went to HKU, studied communication and politics. Yeah, with Chinese history as one of my things.
So you said a lot of stuff that I think the only thing that is relevant now to your current job is business. Everything else, I guess film's cool too, because there's some acting, right? A little bit I I consider my job as an act It it is putting on a face. Which job are we talking about here? The the beer job, Yeah, I think doing sales in Hong Kong, you you put on a persona and people get used to the way you are and
you have. To be that, I remember that interacting with you as better with beer and you were so much in that character that actually just hung around that just watched you. Because I'm not saying it's obviously not you. I know it's you, but it's like you at work and you're in your office. It's my work persona. It's your work persona. I was like, really fascinating. No, but it's fun. I, I think after a while, you just get so used to it and it just comes naturally. And it's subconscious.
You don't think about it. It's only when people point it out. Yeah, you, your voice changes with your work. It's only then you realize that, oh, shit, am I doing that? Yeah. But over time, you realize that you do need to have a certain persona. You need to have, I wouldn't call it arrogance, but you need to have, you need to be a little cocky, I think. Yeah, I mean when. It comes to sales. When it comes to sales, for
sure. And also if you are, if you are in such a cut throat market like FNB in Hong Kong, you need like my theory based on very little information is that you need to kind of like people sometime in a lot of bars around here, people come for the person. Yeah, true. I don't know if you can agree or not. Like Beckley, for example, Beckley is a character. Like people go to see Beckley, hang out with Beckley and like the everyone loves her. I love her. It's like I want to go where she is.
Yeah, exactly. Because if she, her presence is just so big, that's what she's. I'd like to say apart from what experience she has, she's just a fun person. To hang out with, that's why. People like being around her. Yeah, Yeah. And it's something that you, if you see it long enough and you see people you admire, you kind of want to be that person where you want people to be comfortable around you and you, and you want them to be like, oh, I want to go where this person is, right?
Did you have earlier iterations of that personality that maybe I missed Few. People I still admire to this day that I still hang out with. One of them is back from the globe. When I first joined the industry as well, there were just a very few people who were just kind of there, like I wouldn't say even now, 2 point Pat's a very close friend of mine. If I tell him, hey man, like you actually helped me out, he'll be like, I didn't do shit.
But it's just recognizing how these people actually impacted what I would do at the time. And again, I was what, like 2526? At the time, I had no idea what I was doing. I was still in college, but meeting people at that. And also there's another person called Shanol who had a beer distribution company called Taipan and then Toby who'd started the Globe as well. I had conversations with them and they were very supportive. And I was like, fuck, I want to, I want to be around these
people. It's so cool, you know? And I still hang out with them. And now they're like my closest friends and we travel together. So I, there's certain points in my life where I still think like, this is so cool. I'm here with that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you just like kind of come back to like, that first, like childish, kind of like admiration. It's like, oh shit, we're
friends now like. We don't have to and most of the conversations we have it's I mean, we do goof off a lot, but there's always learning on both sides. Yeah, sometimes I'll say something and yeah, either channel be like, oh, I didn't know about that. And it's so interesting. So it's that kind of dynamic that I look for in people when I when I see them.
Yeah. How did the how did that that poets or talk parallel to that poets, but also the quiz master thing because that's also really interesting. Like obviously it's in the F&B space mostly, but it's such a different skill. I don't know if you would agree if it's different skill or similar to like sales in a way. I I think it's similar enough. Also the quizzes started because of that as well. It was at the Globe and it was drink COVID and and he said do you know anyone who can host
quizzes for me? Things have been in quiet and I said I'll do it. Yeah, just for the fun of it. Yeah, sure, why not? And he said, yeah, I'll pay you. I was like, I'll do it even more now. Yeah. So it started off a little bit like that. I've always been into quiz shows and stuff like that so I thought it would be interesting. I used to go to the one at Flaming Franco's and there's a gentleman Chris, Chris Brown, brown guy. Yeah, the other brown guy, yes, yes, I get confused for him a
lot. Well, you don't look alike at all except for the brownies, but I don't know. Also, we did not talk about this beforehand, but I don't know if he's like a competitor that like you will you don't want to like talk shit or whatever or if you. I don't know him that well. Yeah, OK. We've had a few interactions. I met him all. Right, let's talk shit, OK, All right, No, he's probably dude like. I don't know enough about him to talk shit about.
Him, right, Right. Yeah. But he seems very established in that space. He's really good. He runs a. Fun. He has a voice as well. Like when I like they had the kind of a, a distinctive like kind of voice. Yeah, yeah. Kind of commanding. I've not seen you do it. Like I've not been to a quiz that you run before. So the way I tell people my quizzes are quiz runs, I mean it, Chris, when he does it offline, I've seen him at Soho House before as well. Yeah, super fun quiz.
He has obviously worked really hard to create that structure. And my quizzes are goofy, man. I don't put it. It's wrong to say I don't put in that much effort. Yeah, but I try to keep it a little more casual. Right? Like we play silly games in the middle of rounds. Nice. I've had people come up to me and say I'm not coming to your quiz because it's it's too silly. Right. Yeah. You want that company to win? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tell. People like no shit, yes, and I'll be like, well, you can fuck off that you're not like fun. Like yeah, what's wrong with like making a paper airplane and throwing it man? If you don't like that, something's wrong with. You there's something wrong. Yeah, exactly. And I'm going to cut this clip and to promote your next quizzes. If you're not fun, you can fuck off.
Yeah. Pretty much, man, we do stuff like, you know, limbo and I'll make them do planks and this is something to get them out of their seats. And yeah, you know, everyone becomes like a child for at least like 5 minutes and. That's actually what I really admire. Like one of the many things that attracted me to stand up as well as that, that the essence of just like making people laugh, like seeing people giggle. It's just like they're, and you're not really thinking of
much when you're laughing. You're just thinking of the thing that made you laugh in this like 5 seconds or whatever. 100% yeah, and it's the same thing. Agree as well. At least for me hosting quiz, when I get the microphone, there's this, there's a power. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. You must get it a lot. Yeah. People fucking Heckle you. You like suddenly have locked and loaded. You're ready.
You're so witty suddenly. Yeah, I mean comics, and that's a very common response from comics who get heckled is like, I have a microphone and you don't. Yeah, Yeah, exactly. So ready. Like, what are you doing? Yeah. You'd be surprised. I get to Heckle that quiz. Sometimes you do. Sometimes I'll ask questions people like that's wrong. I'm like shut up. Oh shit, I wrote this or my usual responses. That was not the answer I was looking for. Right. Nice.
You might be right. Yeah. And I'll be like, come talk to me after the quiz. And then and very rarely people come up to me and be like, oh, I want to talk to you about that question. I go quiz is over man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Don't. Even have anything better to drink so we but. It's actually really interesting that we have a lot of overlaps in that space because again, you're kind of doing an act in a way.
And you know, you're, you have to be, you have so many, you have to have so many skills ready. Like, you know, you have to think of your feet. You have to keep it witty and like not too serious. You know you want people to like you and you have to keep talking even though you don't. You want to like you have to fill it, fill air, right? I mean, there, there are days where you just had a really shit day. Yeah. Long, long day. And, you know, you just want to go home and, yeah, curl up and
cry in the shower. But then, you know, you have to host a quiz for 60 people. Yeah. And but that's the thing. As soon as I get there, I'll just have a glass of water and go to the bathroom, wash my face as soon as that microphone hits my hand. Yeah. Boom. You know you're. Again, this is something we have we have in common. And so many comedians. Vivek talked about it at length as well, many episodes about how, yeah, once you're in like, show mode and honestly, like,
you know, it's, it's that thing. At least I'll speak from personal experience. Like, you know, like, oh, you're just up there. You're trying to do your best with your job. But it's also almost 100% of time fixes my mood. Oh yeah, 100. Percent yeah, you can be like, you know, had a fight with whatever and you know, you're worrying about your whatever visa or some shit and you go on stage you're like. Makes me happy. It makes me happy, yeah. And again with the quizzes, I think so.
Obviously when I first started, it was only at the Globe, but I think that's something I'm trying to focus on more now, like that brand is building. Yeah. So I. Usually do the plugs at the end but how do how do people find Like how do how do people book you for quizzes or how do people find where you are hosting quizzes? So currently I host at the Globe twice a month and then I'll do one in Discovery Bay at this place called the Chippy once a month. We have many listeners in Discovery.
Based, if you would know, Chippy is a great place and Craig and Mia, his daughter who owned the Chippy. Craig actually is a regular at the Globe. And he was asking Pat, who hosts your quizzes. And then it was just kind of serendipitous and it happened. And then after that I just started hosting a bingo and quiz night at Feeny's. Cool. It was super random and funny, but it was great fun. Is it like? But that's obviously on the same St. as filming Franco's no? But Feeney's one shy.
OK. Yeah. So you don't want to like get too close. Yeah, I mean, again, it's like I said, I've I haven't spoken to Chris very directly. I'm pretty. He knows I exist. Right, right, he knows. Is it? Is that like really you 2 are the 2 main quiz masters in the whole city now? I In terms of numbers, I think yes, cuz Chris also does the Phoenix and a couple of other places. But my quiz expertise and knowledge actually came in from another friend of mine who's also a quiz master.
This guy called Mark Swinkles. I call him Swinks affectionately. He's just one of the most amazing people I've met. Man, I'm thinking now like I'm sure Vivek can execute this better than me. I should get you and Chris on camera and we quiz both of you and we just have the ultimate quiz master off. I'll here's a little I think Chris might agree with me. Quiz Masters people assume they're smart people. We're fucking off. We're just dumb.
Yeah man, we just Google shit. Of course, I mean, where else would you get like, you know, the population of El Salvador? Who? The fuck knows that no one knows? Yeah, But yeah, there, there are a lot of shit like that. Where people assume we know I've actually attended a few quizzes and I've just been like, I have nothing to contribute to this quiz. I'm. Sorry guys, I attended. Yeah, the ones that do Flaming Franco's. And you know, obviously that's the whole point of the quiz.
It's like you get a group and you share knowledge. True. Like I can do like a lot of the football stuff, for example, but then they get into pop culture and I'm so fucking dumb. See. That's why I'm good. Maybe we should start a team. You do sports, Yes, I'll do all the pop culture. Stuff, but also sports is just football. It's crazy. If there's a football quiz, I'm bringing you with me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Please. But OK, so that poet is has started, I think from my memory maybe two years ago or so. Yes, a little. Bit current location, yeah. Yeah, year and a half. That poet also just went from zero to 600 very quickly. It's it's one of the I'm not saying this because you're my friend. Like I don't even like go out that much because I stand up and I'm just busy. But it's whenever I see a friend in the neighborhood, they're usually going to that post for a
late one. That's actually, I hear that a lot. You guys are the late one. Well, we closed. One, yeah, but we're also, I'm personally very, extremely proud of the place and what it's done. It's something. So the idea came from Nikita who who runs the Old man and me and Hammer are like mates. And you were also running the old man. No, no, no, I was never directly involved with the old man.
It was just Nikita. But he had this idea to open a bar called Dead Poets and all the music we have in common that we listen to realized they're dead musicians and he just wanted to create like a community bar. And then after that, Sasha is best friend and also someone I've known for a while. For me personally, it's like a little F&B legend. Yeah, it's worked in a few places. So it just all kind of came together. We worked our asses off and
somehow raised the money. But you also have the sauce, guys. So sauce. Yeah. So Sean wanted to open up a second location with sauce. Yeah. So give, yeah, give people the background of what sauce? What sauce so. Sauce is a really cool barbershop in Hong Kong. They used to be on Elgin Unfortunately they just closed their. Main location, yeah. So now they're only at dead poets. So they open during the day. So Dead Poets during the day is a Barber shop.
Yes, yeah. And a coffee shop we do. We do really good coffee. Wow. OK, OK, finally I have a reason to come. We we have good Wi-Fi, we have good coffee. OK, damn. OK. And a. Super chill spot and. And you allow dogs, obviously. We're very pet friendly. Yes I I personally don't want cats in the bar because I'm highly allergic and I have a phobia of cats. You told me that only yesterday I would have just just for the fuck of it. I would have, totally. My neighbor upstairs has three cats.
I would have just dragged one down, No? Please don't. Just for the rates. I would be I would be very anxious and sweating the whole time just watching this cat. That would make me very happy. No, it wouldn't, but OK. But OK, so that poets there is a few things. I have been obviously the bar many times. There's a few things that I think are really interesting, especially starting from the industrial kind of feel to especially to the bar area.
Who's How did that come about? It was basically a collective. Nick basically wanted everything to be very industrial. That's one of his initial concepts. We gave to the designer, the designer who basically designed the place and came up with all of that. He added a bunch of few touches. My input was I need with green somewhere in the bar. OK, So what we did is for the toilet doors we just put green right? Just to make you happy. A very specific. Green. I searched the Pantone and yeah,
he showed me a bunch of colors. What's why? Why did you? Like that green? I know it's one of my favorite colors. Actually, I might. I might relay that to maybe your Muslim upbringing. There's a lot of green. Don't do that shit man. Yeah. I think it might be so. I don't know. It's just the way I think about it. It's just, it's just very common. So a lot of mosques. And stuff have I'm. Really trying. You're trying, You're pushing. It OK? No, it's just design.
I mean, we obviously all worked very hard on how the place should look and how to organize it. I remember initially when we were planning and designing the place, Nick, Sasha and I, the the designer basically gave us a huge piece of paper and said draw the bar by scale, right? So we went to the Globe and laid down the sheet on the floor and drew the bar at scale. That's amazing on the. Floor, yeah, and all the staff. Of the globe were walking around
thinking what the fuck are you? So we're designing our bar. Yeah, it's just like, yeah, it looks. Like a bunch of nerds or like guys who are just like on something, they're like, we're designing a little fun. It was, yeah. That's. Why I said that? It went from zero to 600 very quickly and at the time we obviously didn't have any staff. So it was just Sasha and Nick and myself. Yeah, all three of us were, I think, doing 1819 hour days.
Wow. At least a couple of weeks we had planned when we do our grand opening, but we didn't have our liquor license yet. Yep. Story a very common story, but we'd. Also invited this special guest to come and do our grand opening. Pretty big deal. He was in Hong Kong, is a guest. Bartender. Yeah. So this guy. Called Dan Nevsky, he's quite an influential figure in the the scene globally. He's quite quite well known and he turns out to be really good friends with Nick.
And he said yeah, of course I'll come to your opening. So everything was prepped and and December 7th we decided even if we don't get our liquor license, we'll just do a private party. Sure, yeah, we'll close it. December 6th, 5:00 PM We got our liquor license. Amazing. The. Stars aligned like. Things were happening, yeah. But yeah, the burnout, just real. It was very exhausting. Yeah. I can imagine both, Nick. And I would.
Go and do our day jobs. And he was still running the old, He's still running the old man. Oh my God. I'd go to the office and then in the evening and you actually physically. A lot of the times have to be in the office or go out and meet clients and stuff on and off. Yeah, but most of it, it's quite like moving around the city meeting people. Yeah. So you're not really like. Work quote UN quote worker from home where you can be at at that
quotes and do your other job. It's more face to face right yes, exactly. If I could, I'd invite. All these managers come to my house and hang out with me so I can talk to them. But yeah, I have to go to them. That's yeah, that's. A struggle. And it's also. It was quite. Yeah. It's a lot of juggling, right? Yeah. And. That's why I think at a point I realized I needed a break. That's where we are now. We are basically had just I don't know if this is public information.
Yeah, yeah. So you have just left the depends when this episode. Comes out. Well, it comes out. In from the time of recording, it comes out in one to two days. Oh, OK, yeah. I've just given it my name. OK. Yeah. All right. That's yeah, my last day of. Work will be May 31st. OK. It's a little bit, yeah. Bittersweet. Yeah. I've been with Hong Kong Beer Co five years. Yeah, it's a long time. And I'm sure you have you have contributed to many people getting drunk during COVID,
especially I always. Joke that my job is to get people drunk and I'm very good at my job. Yes. On both sides when I'm a. Dead bullets. I try to get everyone to drink because, yeah. And then on the beer side, I just want to make sure people are drinking good beer. Yeah, that powers is mostly. Cocktails. Yeah, mostly cocktails we also do. Wine and now we're doing a lot of collabs with beer companies. We try to. Obviously you have your own network. From the many, yeah.
That's that's still there. We try to keep changing as much as possible. So not try not to like fixate on one thing and become 11 bar. This is where I would try. I'll turn a little bit into, you know, a classic journalist in a way where I can as something that I am personally, I don't know anything about, but a lot of people listening would do. So tell me about like the design that goes into like the cocktails, Like how do you make that OK?
Something I know nothing about, but a lot of listeners would be interested. I I know nothing. About it either so I learned everything about cocktails after opening that boots really because you're a beer guy I'm. A beer guy. I had no prior knowledge. I I drink cocktails, yes. I can tell you what's in it. Yeah, but before Dead Poets I had no idea because again, I had
many. Friends, I had a friend from Canada like 6-7 months ago and she knew about dead poets just by like she looked something up or whatever and it was like obviously next to my house. I went down and met her and she was like, these drinks are amazing. I'm not saying this to like promote anything, but she came from Canada, found this bar somehow someone told her about it, but she was like blown away. That's so cool.
Yeah. So which is actually why I'm asking like how, how does that we so. In terms of how we do our cocktails, Nick's basically the brainchild behind all of him. He is the, as we call him, the maestro, so he'll have an idea. So basically our menu is based on dead celebrities. Our first iteration was all musicians, so we had Jim Morrison, we had Jazz, Joplin and John Lennon. Nick did a lot of research on these musicians to see what they like drinking, what their lives
are like. So the the philosophy. Is dead musicians favorite drinks in a way yeah. Or like inspired by? Yeah, inspired, for example. Jim Morrison was an old fashioned. It was a mental fashion and we called it the whiskey bar and stuff like that. And then the next version we did was all actors and actresses. So try to make it very cinematic, Oscar themed. Are we doing comedians at? Some point because I can give I can help you with that.
We did have a few. Comedians on the list, we had Robin Williams. I mean, obviously he's Robin Williams. Yes, comedians are in the cards. Yeah, we are thinking about it. If I did, I, I constantly have a running list of different people that I want to put on the menu. Yeah, Mitch Hedberg is on that. That's exactly that was. Going to be my number one guy. I mean, if you want to have heroin on the menu, that's definitely it's perfect. I don't think I can get away. With it, let me call it the
heroin and. Make it a drink. I don't know. That's and everything. Also might be a little dark given that this is what killed him, so maybe not true. He would appreciate it though. For sure, yeah. And every time we serve the drink, we there's a one liner with it. Oh, that's. A great idea honestly. I want to eat rice. When I'm really hungry because I can eat thousand of something if I want to eat. 2000 of something. That's a classic, Mitch.
Hedberg. Yeah, it's one of my Mitch Hedberg. Yeah, if you guys don't know Mitch Hedberg, please just stop this. This is Mitch Hedberg's more interesting than this. Just go find them, man. It's goofy. Yeah, it's exactly. It's goofy. It's like it's just for like, for that simple pleasures, like I'm trying to make you laugh. Just like there is nothing behind it. True. OK. There is also Lenny Bruce, obviously. Classic. Of course. Rodney Dangerfield is another
one that I read. Dangerfield. Yeah, Dangerfield. I think would be he's he's very audio visual. I think his face looks funny. So people laugh at his face. Yeah, but I put George Carlin on it. Nice. And. It'd just be a shot of fucking whiskey. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Here's your cocktail. This is George Con. Exactly. Yeah, that's the. George Conner, exactly what you said. I don't care. You pay what you want. Exactly. That would be the. Just take your. Fucking drink.
Shut the fuck up. Stop being a pussy. Yeah, just. Abuse people when they order something. Since you run the like, you kind of are the boss there. Yeah, I would never. Call myself the boss, well, but. You I guess technically or Co founder or maybe 1. Of the owners, sure. Yeah, one of the owners. Like, do you feel because that poets again, it's quite a popular bar, especially in the central area, Do you feel the responsibility to to like, kind
of like live up to that? Like I need to keep it fresh. I need to like put out a face, as you said, like even when you don't feel like it, do you feel that pressure a little bit sometimes? When we do events or I have a lot of my friends who who go to that poets and say, oh, I'm being a big group and if I'm busy, obviously I can't be there. But sometimes they're like, oh, it'll be great if you're there. Yeah. Then that pressure is always with you.
It's like, oh, I know this is somewhat important for me. Yeah. I really want to go and make sure they're having a good time. But it's also like the kind of people we have working at Depo. And so you would trust them so much. Yeah. You know, even if I'm not there or even if Sasha's not there, Nick's not there. Like it's going to be the same. Yeah. The only difference is we'll obviously drink with them. Yeah, of course.
But. Think that's the good part about the kind of people we have and who we work with. The team's so good that we just leave them alone to do their jobs and which is obviously they're. Really good at as well. They're really good at it. I mean we. Have so you don't need to micromanage. Anybody. It's just like when you go, you're just hanging out as well. Quite the obvious I. Personally think the hardest person working in any team should be either the owners or
whoever the bosses are. Yeah, it's just automatically, Yeah, fills in like if you work hard enough, like everyone wants to follow. If you start being lazy and ordering people around, yeah, no ones going to do shit. Yeah, on that. Note, and this is completely out of context, but, you know, to your point, when we moved these shows that we did this week for jogging summers, we moved them
to the house. Long story, but one of the most impressive things I've seen is Sharon hosted GM of so house, who I've never met before. I used to work with Anna, her assistant GM and Anna's on maternity leave. So Sharon kind of like, you know, took over my, my, my shows. But for both nights when the shows where Sharon was behind the bar, if you actually don't know who Sharon is, you would think she's a bar back. Yeah. Yeah. And she was just like, she wasn't like being a manager
looking. I've seen people ask for like, extra salt on their popcorn and she's like, OK, yeah, yeah. She's just like doing everything herself. Yeah. And it's it's exactly to your point, like, oh, that's the hardest working person here is that GM. And if you don't know who she is, you'll just think she's bar staff. True. There's. There's a bunch of people in Hong Kong I know that way, where they don't have any errors about them. They just want to get the job done.
They just want to make sure people are having a good time. Yeah. And it's because of that a lot of these places are successful. Yes. I, I don't want to name a lot of names now, otherwise we'll just I mean, if you're saying. Something good, then go ahead. Yeah, Yeah. I'll go back. To like that, right? Like that's like been in the industry for so long. And I've, I, I remember 1 instance a couple of weeks ago, I was sitting and talking to him and he was off. He was about to go home.
Yeah. And I think next to me, someone ordered something and Pat was distracted and he kept looking behind me and he said, excuse me, I'll be back. He went to this guy, picked up his glass and said, I'm really sorry, I've refilled that for you. It doesn't look right to me. And he picked up the beer, wasn't right just by looking at it, came back and poured him a fresh mind and gave it back to him.
Amazing. That kind of detail is something you, you, if you see it happening, yeah, you go, I wanna do that, you know, like I wanna do that. That's that should be the standard. That should be the standard, yeah. Like you wanna surround yourself by people who hold themselves up to that standard. Yeah, yeah. Because in whether it's in your industry or food or entertainment, it's so easy to also show up and just do
whatever. And some people would show up like an audience or someone who is coming to eat or drink. They will show up like not for them to come after me. But Bar Pacific is a good example. I know they're like, you know, whatever gang owned whatever, but like Bar Pacific is that like there is no fucking standard. True. It's just like, you know, I'll tell you something about bar. Pacific. The one opposite Soul House. Yeah, fucking great. It's really the place.
Is amazing, really good and mainly. Because of the staff who work there. This is super fun, but it also. Like random breaks in the middle and do KTV. Like do karaoke on their own karaoke thing. Yeah, go play darts. Walking indoors, there should be, there should be a group of old Chinese uncles sitting in the back clapping for you on the cold side. No, honestly.
Yeah, but that's. Actually, almost part of its charm is that, but you know, when you're talking about this, the standard of service, it doesn't kind of, it doesn't exist, right? True to true. I think that's important. Yeah, Hong Kong is a good example of that. The level of hospitality in Hong Kong I I haven't seen in a lot of places, right? That stuff is always there. And once you go in, you becoming a regular only takes you 2-3 visits.
Like you go three times the same bar, they'll know you. Yep. And they'll treat you like regular, like, hey, we've got something special for you. Here's a shot with us or anything, right that the welcoming people in is I think is very Hong Kong in a way. Yeah, it is. A lot of bars do that. Well, it's also because. You know, even if you're looking at it purely from business perspective, you have to, again,
you have to stand out. There's a lot of good products and there's a lot of good, you know? Yeah. Like our my buddy Sharbel, who runs Beirut Bistro up with three, three other brothers. He was a guest on the podcast. If you're listening to this and have a listen to Sharbel's episode, just search by Ruth on our search thing and you'll find the episode. Fascinating guy. His particular skill is that if you have been there one time at 4:00 AM for 5 minutes and he
told Sharbel anything about you. Yeah. And you come. Back. Six years later, he was like, oh, you moved to Vegas? How is that going? That man's got a memory, dude. He's got a he got. An insane memory, but it's that personal thing. It's like you're not just another customer. Yeah, and it just. Makes you feel like you're part of that community. Yes, obviously for us in depots, we, we get a lot of industry
people come through, yeah. Or just like, hang out just in our vicinity, just in Soho. There's so many different bars. Yeah, we all hang out at each other's bars. I was going to ask you about this. Because, again, all my references are pretty much comedy. So for us, it's so small that it's like impossible to have, like, territorial competition.
Like, let's say Jason Strickland was a common friend between the two of us. If Jason and I are producing different shows and like, we're like, oh, if you work with Jason, you can't work with me. We're both going to die, right? It's just like, it's goofy. Do venues do that? To. Some extent when it comes to headliners, the reason being like, if I am bringing in this headliner and I'm paying, I'm taking the risk on them basically and then someone else just booked them.
That's silly. That's just bad business, right? But I'm talking about the local roster. Like Jason and I have to be friends. Even if deep down we don't want to. There's a handful of. Comics in Hong Kong, yeah like it's it's still a very at least what I've noticed it's it's quite tight knit community, yes. And when you guys do shows, everyone's on the show of course, because there is like.
Of the working comics, I mean, I can name them like of the working comics are like regular goods, reliable. They're like, I think less than 15. Yeah, like it's a crazy small number. But going back to to what you're saying, like you all hang out each other's bars. Do you feel like it's more like a a healthy competition thing when you're like, yeah, OK, so it really is it's. And also the the amount of support you get from the industry is insane.
Yeah, even when we first opened as well, the first ever event or guest shift that we did was honky tonks like Jake and Edgar. They were like, dude, we want to do the first event. Yeah, it's like that kind of support, you know, good food and and we're always there and so we all hang out. How do you guys this? Is where maybe we're going to a little bit of a riskier questions.
How do you guys push back on the bigger companies, bigger dogs in the market because you guys are basically independent Yeah, right. How do you how do you you know my? I actually, Nick and I have spoken about this before, is just we always go put your head down and do the work. That's how we do it, right? Like we try not to get too bothered by what's going around.
Obviously, there's a lot of things that go on in the industry and stuff like, oh, why are you not part of this, let's say awards or why are you not part of, you know, like, we don't care, man. We're pretty happy where we are, yeah. And if you've been to Deadpool, you'll know. It's just. I think it's the same approach when I do quizzes. It's just casual enough where it doesn't feel like a fancy cocktail bar where you have to drink and drink a certain way.
Yes, yes, we're pretty relaxed. And yeah, you don't have to like if you. Bring a date and you don't have to like, oh, I brought you here to impress you. It's like I brought you here to see who you really are. Yeah, exactly. It's. Yeah. We we get a lot of people who come in on dates, which is really cool because. Like, yeah, this is not a pretentious place. Just be yourself and we'll see, like if we get affordable,
right? Like. One of the main things that I think all three of us had in mind is because we used to go out drinking a lot. Yeah. So we'd we'd go have beers and sometimes we'll feel like a wine. Sometimes we want a cocktail, and I kept thinking in, at least in southern Hong Kong, there's no place where I can go have a good beer. Yeah, there's no place where I can. Well, I would push. Back on that, Craftisimo, I mean Craftisimo. But that's the point I'm trying to make.
I can go to Craftisimo, but what if I want to have a cocktail? That's true. There is. Yeah, I mean, or a glass of wine. I can't do that hard. That's really hard. Yes, yeah. I agree. So that was the idea with that. Poet saying like, we'll have everything for everyone. Yes, hey. You want a beer and. It is. Affordable, I would have to say for like, you know everything, a nice looking, yeah, less than 100 bucks. That's that's actually. Pretty crazy.
We try to. Keep that and obviously on, on business side, we, we know what we're doing. Yeah, a lot of people when we first opened they're like, Are you sure about this? What? Do you guys talk about? Like, Are you sure of like, yeah, yeah. But we're like, no, no, no, we know what we're doing. Yeah, it's OK. But that doesn't mean we skim on ingredients for ship, right? Yeah. Everything's still, of course, high quality. Yeah. But we just know the way we do it will make us money.
Yeah. Plus, we're lucky enough that we have people in the industry and the community that back up the place with events. We do one get shift a month where we invite someone from outside of Hong Kong. That's really cool. Yeah, people obviously will. You'll have the show in the show notes, you will have the Instagram for Dead Poets and everything else you give me. I'll just put in the description, but on Aberdeen St. and you so going back to the the quiz, because I also find that
fascinating. So you now have like no, no more beer, let's say after a month or so. So you want to how do you want to structure your life after that, given that you have been doing like beer for the last five years And now you are a quizmaster, which is also at night mostly almost all the time. And at night you also need a dead poets. But then you have that dead air during the day. How are you going to reconfigure all of this? It's a very good question. It's something I haven't thought
about yet. Well, you just think about. It together I'm still figuring it out. Like I said, it's still pretty fresh, but what I want to do is take a break, take a sabbatical for a bit. I want to go back to India. My my sister is having a baby. Oh nice. Thank you. So I'm going. To be an uncle, Yeah. Which still hasn't hit me yet. Yeah. But I want to go and just spend some time with her first in June and then maybe travel a bit in July.
Yeah. And now that I don't have to apply for annual leave, yeah, I have the freedom to travel a little bit. So I want to do that before I come back and decide what I want to do next. But you're pretty set. On at least these two paths, which is Dead Poets and it's development and also the quiz. So the quiz is something I'm. Trying to obviously build on and do more. I'm going to start doing a new
venue next month. It'll be inside one Crushed Wines that just asked me to host that quiz as well. Yes, that's. Steve. Oh, no, crushed wines. And I was thinking of there is another bar that is, oh, that's primal, Yeah. Primal is a great bar. Yes, yes, I love Stevie's. I was just. Thinking of that, Yes. What a fucking legend. Yeah, Steve, another another legend in Hong Kong. Yeah, you should get. Him on I, I would get him. On he's he's out of his mind in
a great way. He's great but but also one of the. Nicest people I've I've met. Absolutely. I've only interacted with him a few times but the first time I went to primal through a colleague of mine, he was passing by and he said dude I found this really cool hole in the wall it's great bar they haven't opened yet we should go there and went there and just sat there till closing. And I went back the same week and two of my friends showed up and we just sat there again.
So I know him from Chaotic. Hong Kong expats, because he's very active on their safe keys. And he's just like, you know, post like the most random shit or comments or whatever. And when you opened the bar, we all showed up and, you know, held a couple of events there as well. And he's like, such an interesting guy. He is. Yeah. But he's got really good taste. He's got a good palette. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He he, you know, he can speak for himself.
I feel like he opened the bar as like a neighborhood kind of bar, but he knows exactly what he's doing. It's not like, oh, you can just grab an Asahi here. No, no, no. Like, actually we ate food. The food was excellent. You know, the drinks. Like he thought of everything. Yeah, yeah. No, he's a great guy. I. Definitely like hang out there more now that I have more free time. So yeah, if you're in sign. Point or even if you're not, go to primal booze and feed is the
full name. Yes, and right next. To his crushed right exactly there. You go so crushed. Actually, my friend Kat works there. Yeah, Kat is the reason. Why I got the quiz? There you go, we all know each this. Is now just like this is Hong Kong man we. All know each other, yes. So Kat Long. Shout out she she works at crushed as well. So you're saying that you're adding the the she she's the one who brought you in.
She it was. Her idea, I think as a team, they were discussing doing events at Crushed and Quiz was one of the things that came up and I'll see Kat messaged me and said, Hey, I want you to do this quiz ready. What dates do you have? And it was just that like no initial thing. She's like, you're doing the quiz. That's it.
Like here's the thing. So I had a meeting with them last week and again, they've they've known my quizzes and they said they want to bring that to crush and a little bit smaller, which I'm very excited about. So there are a few more places I'm in talks with to kind of do quizzes, but I'll have to do 30 quizzes.
Well, that's actually where I. Was I want to bring you into my work a little bit because I don't I know you enough to know that I don't really think you know what you're signing up for. No, I don't. Yeah. I really don't think. So because forget about that post for a second. Like it's, you know, it's successful in its own whatever, you're now the big boss. You're just looking at the numbers and, and making money, whatever, right? Put that aside.
You are signing up to be a full time entertainment entertainer in a way, or a performer. Yeah. And if you're doing it at the scale, you're actually doing it most more than most of the stand up comedians working in Hong Kong. This is true, yeah. It's it's it's. A very gruelling job. You're basically becoming. Yeah, like a a bit of a touring act inside the city, pretty much, Yeah. So. If I do add I think these two more venues I'll essentially be doing 7 quizzes a month.
That's a lot of prep, my friend. It's a lot, and again. Like each venue has to be a different quiz. Yeah, because you want people, the demographics. Are quite different. Yes, the globe is something I take a lot of liberties with because that a lot. Because they're your friends, Yeah. But. I've been doing it for the past four years of the globe. So it's like he knows my format. Yes, he knows. Tell me. Tell me. About some of the the more wacko things you've executed there we've done.
Limbo ones, I think after round 3 or 4, I did a bunch of serious rounds. I did history and geography, and then suddenly I go for three points, come and do limbo, whoever wins. Like everyone's so confused and they're like, what the fuck is he on about? And I know it's three points, man. You won't do it or not. And you'll see a bunch of very serious quizzers get up and actually come into limbo. Lovely. I love.
That they loosen up a bit. You know, of course they give out shots and we that's the whole point. Almost all of them, even if they are working in whatever industry, no one, again, as we said, no one in Hong Kong is not working hard. Otherwise you're not going to be here. You will not survive. Would you want to go sit at a? Pub and just be really quiet and write shit down. Exactly. You want to hang out with your friends, you want to talk, you want to drink. And you hear that, Chris?
OK. No, no, this is not. I don't know why we're bashing Chris. It just be talking shit I do I do want. To go meet him and be like, hey man, I just want to give you a heads up. This episode is going to come out. It made me do it. There's no video here. It's just me staring shit up. He's. Holding a gun, man. Exactly. No, but I yes, you're right it. Has to be a lot more. Interactive, right?
Yes, I've been to so many quizzes where it's just like this really tired old man is reading out questions. I was going to say actually this. Is not even a joke. I agree with you like because we do open mic sometimes at bar 109 and across the street there's Churchill and you run those quizzes. It's that I don't even know who runs it anymore, but it's just like an old guy, I think, with Churchill's. It's it's aim for the a demographic I understand aim for serious British old. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, for them, there's nothing wrong. But like, to your point, it's exactly that. It's not like, you know, just going through the motions. It's like old British guys, like maybe it works for them, but it's just kind of boring. Yeah. I mean like like. You said earlier as well with the people in the audience, or at least in quiz with the teams like you make it accessible enough where they can talk to you. Yes. Like it's not like, shut the fuck up and listen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I talk to. People at times, and I'll make them sing songs and make them do bird noises and shit like that in the middle. OK, your quizzes. Sound super fun to wrap this up tell people well first where you're doing the quizzes that that are confirmed now or or any calendar any any month. So the globe would. Be the first and third Tuesday of the month and then once a month at the Chippy Discovery. Dates vary, but it's usually on a Wednesday and then Thursday.
Once a month at Phoenie's, which is a bingo in quiz night. I call it quiz night, but it's people shouting answers at me and I'm throwing shots at them. It's a lot looser at the Phoenie's. And this is Bingo's one. Chai, Yes. Yeah. Phoenix. One Chai, yeah. Yeah, it's bingo. It's not. Even like, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's bingo. It's basically like old folks home games, but in like a super fun way. But it's a boozy bingo. It's a boozy. Being it's fucked up.
Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I do that. And it's super fun. I love working with the Phoenix guys. And yeah, starting May I'll be Quizmaster at Crushed once a month on Wednesdays as well. Nice. Plus adding. A few more. And then that poets. Is obviously the main stable thing. There's always something going on here as well. Is this the? Part of the episode where I do all my plugs. Yes, yes, shout out to my. Mom. Yeah, exactly. You're the mom I want to be. Mom.
I'm a radio. This is actually. At my neighbor's house. Yes, at your neighbor's. House where you can get your own Wi-Fi here, that's true, yeah. So, dead poets, we're open every day. We never close, really. I didn't know. That not even like Monday night off nothing. We're open Christmas. New Year's Day, Chinese New Year. I love this we. Only close when. We need a team break, yeah, but apart from that, we're open when the whole team every day.
When the whole team quits and like, all right, well, I guess everyone needs a break. I think the last time we closed we did a Team Phuket trip, so we're closed for three days. Oh, that's awesome. So team date. I I didn't go because my password expired. That's another story. Yeah, well, we'll get. To the you don't know, I, I, I hope I told you, but there is Patreon after this for 1500% yeah. So we're going to be a bit more looser with the Patreon.
So just so you know, listeners know that Patreon, you can't download it. It's just people who are subscribed to the Patreon. They can listen and that's cool. Talk shit about Chris and. That's exactly what we're. Going to do so it's going to be 1500% if you're listening I'm. Sorry dude. Like you have to, you have to pay. Five U.S. dollars a month to listen to your own bashing on Patreon that is about to happen? No, absolutely not. No.
No, but I will get. The more like actually what I do want to ask you about the page, like on the Patreon, seriously, is a bit more of on the politics of the F&B industry, because that's something I'm also personally interested in. And it's tough that even if you want to drop names or whatever, we can do that on the Patreon. And for our listeners, you know, the jail patreon.com/O $5 a month. And you can get a little bit more of the uncensored version.
Plus, as I said in the beginning of the episode, you also get my own uncensored version of the shenanigans over this this past week's shows. Ishan, thank you so much for joining us. This was lovely. Yeah, this. Was pretty overdue, but I'm glad we I it's only taken us three years. To do this, yeah, but. Everyone go to that poets on Aberdeen St. all the plugs that Ishan did with the with the
quiz. Actually, I'm going to tell you right now on record that I was also interested in working with you and bringing it to base hall where we can I can just do we can do that together with basically stand up and quiz in a format where we can actually get our stand up audience out because people can eat at base hall. You can just bring their own obvious, obviously it's a food court and then we have our own bar and stuff. So it'll be super cool. So stay tuned for that as well.
We'll be collaborating with Ishan. Thank you everyone for tuning in. Life stand up shows are back, yeah, from the 3rd or the 10th of May. And we're about to do the Patreon. So stay tuned and thank you for listening with you next week.