So I reiterate here, the bill is dead. The story of this great city is about the years before this night we are free. Hey everyone, this is Ho Ho Hong Kong with me, Vivek Mabubani. And in the other corner we have. Mohammed Magdi, we're on time. Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. That's right, we're on time and getting ready for this, the main event of today, which is the podcast recording. Oh yeah, and if you are listening on the day of, we are recording a few minutes before the Jake Paul Tyson.
Yeah, fight. Yeah, so little. Rest in peace. Whatever happened? Yeah, what? Happened. It's quite, it'll be quite as silly for us to have like all these prediction talks now. What do you think is gonna happen? Everything. And when people listen like that didn't happen. At all. That didn't happen at all. You're gonna try? Yeah. You try. I mean, I have a feeling like whatever happens, they're gonna Boo Jake. And obviously it's your Tyson. Well, yeah, obviously the guy's
like the. That's an easy, yes, easy one, right? Yeah, because. Jake Paul also like he positioned himself. He's basically a heel WWE terms, right? Exactly, which is cool. He's like really leaning into the car, like the hate, hateful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hated. They hated, yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And yeah, Mike Tyson is a legend. Obviously, one interview that went viral with Mike Tyson is him talking to like, a little girl of some sort. Yeah, she's got a Porter.
Whatever. I remember seeing this morning, I was just curious. I was scrolling myself. It's Mike Tyson day, you know? Yeah, it's, by the way, we're recording on Saturday morning. Yeah. Hence why it's Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul. Correct. Free event. Yeah, and we're not gonna spend the whole episode talking about it, in case you're like, I'm not interested in that. Or even know what happened, whatever.
Yes, yeah, exactly. But that interview, I thought it was, it's very funny because the girl is like she was looking for just like a kind of like a social media kind of click bait kind of video. Yeah. And just like people talk about legacy. What do you think? What do you want your legacy to be? Because what legacy? I don't Yeah. If I die, I'll be dead. Yeah. At. The end of a selfish of me. They want people to Remember Me. Imagine Mike Tyson going. I don't care for a legacy.
Damn dude. That leaves us, the mortals, with nothing. Extremely demotivable. Like, if he doesn't care, what's the point? Yeah. Yeah, but I thought it was very funny that he had no awareness that this is a little girl. Yeah, I was actually waiting for her to cry. I'm impressed that she didn't cry. Yeah, because she went on for two minutes about how legacy is selfish. And it's like, you know, self absorbed to think that you are your legacy matters. Yeah, I'm dead. I'm dead.
And he kept saying, like, when I'm dead, that's it. That's the end. I know it's really bizarre this coming from Mike Tyson, yes. However, I'll be honest with you, like there have been other interviews where he has definitely seen things clearly. Like if you see the Jake Paul, Mike Tyson documentary, he talks a lot about stuff. You know, it's like, oh, this is who I am. I see I pass all this junk and everything.
And it's really bizarre because I think people at some point in life, they have to realize that, yeah, it's a bit more than just all the fame and ego and everything. Because he's burnt through his money. Yes. And he's seen like the top of the the game and the bottom of the game. And he's come from like the, the, the hoods and everything. Yeah. So he's seen all the edges of it. And so I probably at this point, he's like, dude, there's nothing that surprises me anymore.
No, whatever. Yeah, I like. I like. Yeah. Despite all of his craziness, how almost Zen he is. Yeah, exactly. He's like, yeah, yeah. But a guy like him also has seen it all. He is like, you know, met every girl imaginable. Sure. Every time, you know, Every time. Done whatever he wants to do with it, yeah. Done all of the drugs publicly. I'm. Sure he had been in movies, you know, had had millions of dollars of the time, tattoos,
face. It is a crazy existence to have to be Mark Tyson. And also he's a global figure. He's like when it comes to fame, no one does not know what he looks like, especially with this fucking face tattoo. Exactly. Even more so that so. It's like it's basically a guy who has everything in a way. But let me ask you this then. Would you ever want to have that experience in life, like, like put it this way, like put aside the fame, OK, to be able to experience all aspects of life
like that? Would you be interested in that? Well, from this, from where I'm standing now, it feels like I can do it and take like valuable lessons and become more wise. But I think along the way is the temptations and the mistakes that you make could, like, really change who you are and,
like, really scar you in a way. So I think I like to think I would like to go through it and then, like, be like more wise at the end of it. Like, yeah, I want to try everything kind of thing, but I'm also very scared when you're like, it's that joke about like Tiger Woods. Like, it's like how hard. Yeah. It's like, that's Bill Burr's bait about how it's like, yeah, you're judging from where you are because no one. There's no. Bust loads of women.
Throwing themselves on you. It's the same thing. It's like, I don't know what how I will do. I like to think like, no, I will never do this and that. But then it's like, how? How much can you resist? I think what I would like to be, I would like to be his assistant. Just watch. It to yeah, to experience it from like an outsider. Yeah, yeah, you know, like I, I, I'm very curious about it. I'm honestly like a lot of these big events and these big parties
and everything. I'm just always kind of like, what is it like I would love to be in the catering service. Yeah, just to see because like enough of my gigs that go to. Security, for example. Yeah, yeah. You know that kind of thing. But I would say yeah, as in like I could, I would love to be the designated catering server or assistant, whatever. And like, I'm not allowed to party with them. Yes, but I'm. Always in the closest circle. You get it.
And it's like the system itself prevents me from falling into that hole. But I guess it would be like, oh, so that's what the hole looks like. Yes, I think that is it. I mean, yeah, there is obviously like a whole other universe that we are not familiar. Like I, I'm going to try to stay very, very vague here. There was a party after a show of sorts in the country that is
not here that I have. I had people on the inside tell me what it was like and it was actually just like the movies where it comes to like trays of like drugs. It was one of these parties like there is no phones, even the people who are working for the company running it, no phones, all kind of stuff. And it's like a listers
basically. And this is something the person who was inside is a close contact of mine and he was telling me that someone in there who's kind of an A Lister at some point just like horrible, but like whipped his Dick out to somebody and the other person as opposed to what we think would happen. She's like, what the fuck? She goes like, just put that away. This is don't be an idiot. And he goes, all right.
And then he just walked away. And as horrible as it is, it's like it's exactly what I imagined people like that could behave. And it just made me feel all kinds of stuff, like I would never be at a party like this. Second, I don't want to be at a party like this where everything is allowed because that means if he does that, he can also try it and put it in my ear or something. Yeah, yeah, get the fuck. Yeah, let's go. Away from me, yeah, it's horrible.
But yeah, it's very weird. I think that's true because I think that is the issue and I'm sure psychology will all say the same thing. If you were all given the ability or the chance, you would probably just jump on it. Like there's only so much willpower and everything with all the stuff that if you were given the chance, you'd be like, but I can't, oh, fuck it. You know, you got to go there.
So in a in a way, this is the lesson to tell everyone like please stay broke for your own goodwill. I mean, but not broke enough not to be able to go support shows such as I'll be a Patreon subscriber. Oh yeah, you know, I mean, hey, if there's if you're doing well in business, let's help you out yeah, You know, I just true lose 5-5 dollars a month. Yeah, patreon.com slash. I think they would be losing. I think they will be gaining.
They will be gaining. But in this context where we're trying to encourage everyone to like, stay humble, we're helping it. It's about like losing that, that ego of like, I'm rich. True. You know, we're trying to help you get that. So yeah, with $5.00 a month, you could prevent yourself from doing trays of drugs. Yes. Having someone having to be in the circle where someone could whip their Dick out. And the best part is that it's not so much about do you have the willpower?
You wouldn't need the willpower. You would never pose the question. You get it. So we're trying to help you with that. And if you really feel like no, I'm doing really well in my business, the tycoon level for $20.00 a month, you definitely you get a T-shirt as well, which we. I don't know if I can commit to getting it printed before the 5th of December. We can, we can try. Yeah, yeah. If enough like people sign up for the $20 Tycoon Tycoon, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Category tier, then we can actually get T-shirts made. You can also just subscribe, come to the free event and cancel it the next day. And that would basically cost you exactly the same amount as a ticket that a regular attendance ticket and you get a free drinks. You can actually think of it as you're literally making money. Yeah, if you intend to, to come to the event, yeah.
And yeah, if you want to, yeah. If you want it again, you would be contributing to the Hong Kong transportation system. Oh, yeah. By taking some sort of transport. Yes. And you might be like, yeah, jokes on you. I have my own car. Well, you have to park it. Yes, Right. You're like, yeah, jokes on. You have a driver as well. Well, you have the fuel. I cost money. Yeah, they have Tesla.
What about that? Oh, hey, jokes on you, I'm like, you have to pay electricity, so no matter what, you're still contributing the economy. So I would recommend, whether you want to gain the system or not, this is your chance to come. On 5th December, we're doing a live recording of the 200th episode of Ho Ho Hong Kong. Yeah, you get to see our real faces, real voices, and of course, our real. We'll do a Patreon as well while we're there. Yeah, yeah, the full on thing,
you know the. Full on thing and you see us turning off the recorder. Yeah, turning on the recorder, yeah, and going with the same intro, but Patreon this time, exactly. Clearing our throats before we do the whole. Thing Yeah, extremely meta. Yes, Patreon. People watching Patreon now listen on Patreon. They're watching how the sausage is made. Yeah, no sausage will be exposed just so you. Know that's right, unless we hit the big, big box and someone just walks by with a tray of
cocaine. Yes, yeah. Then I'm like the Dicks coming out. Yes. Yeah, exactly. I saw a bit. Speaking of Tesla, I saw a bit really funny bit about how the people who are very ultra liberal in America are the ones who are like more environmentally conscious, which means there are a lot of them own Tesla. And funny enough, that means that because Musk, Elon Musk basically came out like full on Trump supporters. He's like you guys funded the
last six months of his campaign. Yeah, which I think is a very funny. Wow. Yeah, yeah, He's like you guys thought you're doing the right thing, but that money went to mosque. Must give it to Trump on top one. Yeah. So that you funded his campaign? This is the irony of the world. Exactly. It's so funny you think you're doing something good and you're like, it's not worth. It yeah, it's so bizarre because like sometimes you for example, like I recycle, right?
But yet I'll be on the airline. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll get on the plane, be like, yeah, what? Yeah, this whole tray of junk is just going to get dumped right now. Dude, like, yeah, when you think of like the garbage situation pretty much in any bigger scheme, it's hopeless. Yeah, I think. I don't know if we've ever had. Do we have someone like in the recycling? Or. Here before, we should probably get someone on, maybe the green people.
If you, if you guys know someone from the Green 6 project, hook us up, we'd love to talk to them because. Yeah, from from like an outsider's perspective, it's so hopeless. Yeah. Like, anytime I think of like, as you said, like, like trash from planes, trash from cruise ships. Yeah. And it's like all of this stuff was like, this just goes straight to landfill because why would you not put it there? It's crazy to sort what out. That's insane. I don't know, man.
Like it's just super grim to think about it. I think it's one of those things that the more you think about, the more you're like and hence why you have to not think about it. So you continue doing the thing you think is going to be good. Because maybe I mean put it this way, like if we all did contribute 1 like this is 0.1% there would be some sort of like impact anyway?
But then that's the problem, like when you think like this, but then you think of like the trash from planes, how much it's how much that's. 98% of it what? Do we do with the 2%? Well, yeah, it's getting countered so quickly by like crazy volumes of. Right. And and it look, that's also the truth is that commercial waste is the major contribution to, you know, household, household waste. Yeah, we're not. We're. Not your two bottles that you go
put in the little machine. Yeah, yeah, got $0.10. Yeah, exactly. But I guess it's one of the things, OK, so it's one of those things where you at least feel good. Like, for example, again, that girl interviewing my Tyson, she was like probably doing a piece thing. I just talk by inspiration for the new generation. She also said like she's never seen him. Actually, that interview is perfect, Like a demonstration of what exactly what we're saying.
Because you are that little girl of like, give us hope. Yeah. No word. And he's like, there's no hope. Yeah, we're all going to die and let it go. No one will remember us. And that's it. Yeah, I'm him and you're the girl. Yeah, yeah. That's, that's exactly it, man. Yeah. But I think that's that's the issue because like you're leaving, yes. And I'm staying, yes. So I would want the world to be a bit hopeful.
Not leaving. No, well, no one's going to remember you when you do so. But I mean like in that situation, you're the one who's leaving for us, right? Technically, technically right. And I think that's the issue is that with with all people, they come into the world with like, hey, hopeful eyes. But overtime you get yes. It's also because like you're the the algorithm you get on social media things that you watch.
And let's be very honest with you, like I'm sure all of us have have contributed to this where we spend a bit more time looking at stupid videos. Oh yeah. People doing like, for example, the typical like me at one month with my baby. You know, I was like always like, yeah, me with three months with my baby, guys, here we go. And three years with the baby's like, can I, are you that kind of thing, right. And like, it's nothing new.
Like we all know that stuff, but it's just someone reenacting you really Like, yeah, I get it. It's like that, dude. That's literally page one of the manual, of course. And however it's like, it's a resignation of like, yeah, I get it. As in the older generation kind of coming to a point of life, like, yeah, what legacy, dude? What's the point? Yeah, what's the point? Yeah. Because like, at the end of the day, the I think I was reading a book as well.
All we really want is to leave a mark on this world, to feel like we existed. Well, that's why people have kids, right? Yeah, that's their way. That's one way. That's the easiest straightforward. Way most people. Keep the legacy going, whatever, right? The other one is for people to remember you or have some sort of monument, hence want all these buildings with, like, people's names on it to real. Oh, that person like, Trump Tower. Yeah.
You know, that kind of thing. Or even a university lecture halls. Sure, Right. And you've got a Dangerfield comedy club, you know, you've got benches with people's names on it, you know, like couples that, you know, passed away, whatever. Sure. Remember them. Yeah. And I think that's the ultimate thing is that the human nature is that we want to have been acknowledged of our existence. Hence why the attention, hence why you just want all that people looking at you be like,
you see me, right? Yes. Coming back to comedians, this is a prime example. Like literally, and I admit this all the time when my talks, I'm like, yeah, part of comedy does it for me because, like, they're actually listening to me. Sure. You mean they really the way they really like they? Listen to me, I matter. Yeah, I matter. You know, like normally the are they being polite? No, they paid money. I don't think they've been polite anymore. This is straightforward.
They really want to listen to me. All right, then I feel like I matter anymore. Yeah. And I think that's the thing with engagement as well. And nowadays where people just want to watch something they can relate to because they feel like, oh, I get it. I'm. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm matter because like, I that's exactly what's happening to me. And that person talking about my life, dude, I exist. This is awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the thing.
Hence why for me, I I would love to see all those crazy lives just to see like, what is the life I want? Yeah, after seeing what is available, rather than be like, oh, I'm sure if I have all this money, I'll be. Asked I agree with you. It's also like you don't want to feel like later in life, feel like, I wish I had a shot.
I should have tried harder. Or that's actually probably, if you're talking about fears and things like this, that's probably one of my biggest fears is to think, look back and be like, should have gone harder at trying to go to this, not this one event, but like, try to go harder at like, see, experiencing this kind of life. Yeah. Because now I don't know what it's like. And I wish I knew, just to see what it's like.
It's bizarre because like, this is the one thing I've come to terms way back is that age and energy is always going against you. Yeah. So it's one of the things that, you know, are you feeling tired now, buddy? Go do it, like, because trust me and tell yourself when you're not tired, you can't do it anymore. Exactly. Yeah, Yeah, yeah. I think that order the price is high put it this way like 10 price.
Is higher, yeah. You're right, you know, 10 years ago, if I like, I'm going to travel all the way the whole week economy done right, but now it's like I can still travel, but the economy is like, ah, it hurts, right, And then ten years time I'm like, Oh my God, my back, everything right. So I think that's the issue is that it's going to cost you more as and you have to now pay the higher price to get premium economy whatever to do the same task because you have to
compensate for your body. What? Would you tell like you obviously do a lot of school talks as if people are asking you about travelling particularly like you know, should I like try to spend more time? Is that that like age-old dilemma of like do you? Spend a year. Like, yeah, making money and then like to travel later. Or do I like try to prioritize like seeing the world and travelling more than like working hard like early on after
graduation? OK, so this is actually a common topic that I've had in many schools about career development and everything. And I talk about my story as well. So in my early 20s, the level of risk I have failing is much lower. That's pretty much with everyone. Because your parents are younger, they can take care of themselves generally, right. And so if you screw up a completely and you like fall flat with no money, again, you're not like, oh shit, these people are in trouble now.
It's just you, right? Yeah. And also your energy to make the money back in the time to wait. So first of all, with every investment book, they'll tell you the same thing. Invest young because you have time on your side. So if if the stock market tanks or whatever you're investing tanks, you can technically rebuild it over time, you know? So it's going to come back up hopefully every time, Right. OK, so have that one. Number two is also explore your options.
Now there's a book about choosing and decision making everything where they talk about. I think the fourth option is usually the best choice. Or I just try to find 4 choices and then make a decision. Because the first one you see it, that's with a limited view. So if you live in Hong Kong, you're like, that's what I want to do for my life. That's it. Then you only see what Hong Kong's giving to you, right?
So that's I always tell you like no, that's not a good idea because you don't know what's what's out there. Option #2 Give you some comparison. Was my first choice actually good or not? For example, let's say you want to come watch a comedy show and it says I want to, I want to watch a comedy show and the comedy show tickets 1000 bucks, you know, like, I guess that's what the market price is, right? Then you go look around you're like, wait a second, there's 200 bucks over there.
So the market price is different. Yeah, what's the difference? Right. So now you have a comparison like what's, what's the $1000 give me always said this headliner and I get this drink included and I get, you know, all the food and everything. All that makes sense now. Otherwise you would be like just ripped off straight up. Like that's what the price is, right? So option number two, number three is then you've kind of got 3 comparisons, usually a rule of
thirds all the time. And option 4, I believe, is when you're like, OK, this is time to make the decision because by the 4th time now it's you're losing your diminishing marginal returns where like by the 5th time, like too many options. Yes, Netflix, you know, by the time like, dude, we're not watching a movie. Yeah, exactly. Take something. Yeah. So, yeah. So that's the first thing I would tell people is that when you're young, definitely travel,
not to be on vacation. Hey, let's party. But to see what it's like over there and basically compare, is this the life I prefer now? Everybody's going to do the same thing just like I do when I go to Melbourne. It's that first week, everything's better. Grass is always greener. All these people live a good
life. You know, why kill myself working 12 hours a day and you know, six hours is great, but live there for one or two weeks or one or two months and the Bailey daily necessities, for example, it's 6:00 PM. You're like, man, I got to get this stuff done. Let me go go buy this thing quickly. You're like, oh, stores all closed. They're like. Shit, let me get something printed. Yeah. Shit. No printer, Yeah. You know, you're like, I have an hour. Let me get this, this, this, it's done.
Oh no, you do one thing because everyone's chatting with you. How's your day? And. Also the trains are like every 20 minutes or whatever. You know, and you realize, wait, I'm doing three things a day when I was doing 30 in Hong Kong. What do you prefer? Do you want the slow, relaxed pace, or do you want the very effective personal? Choice. Yeah, it's a. Personal choice, right? Yeah. Now that's one thing. Again, it's give or take,
nobody's on on either side. Like even if you want to be super efficient, you got to realize the burnout issue. You want to be super lazed out. Then you also have the lethargic depression issue where like life's meaningless and everything like that. So that's that's where I tell kids, right when you're young, explore that about yourself. Get to know coming back to the one of the biggest philosophy things is know thyself to know what you truly want, right?
So I would say yes, when you're young, definitely explore more if you're allowed, as in like circumstances allow you. However, if you have responsibility. A lot of people, unfortunately don't have that, like, especially here because they're like, yeah, maybe you're lucky, like, your parents were still like, relatively young and you can still, like, kind of have the freedom to like, go explore.
A lot of people feel like the need to, like they're in debt basically to their parents after they graduate. Yeah, they're like, I have to work right away because they gave me this good education and I now need to take care of them and whatever. Yeah. But they don't have the luxury of like, I'm, I'm gonna go try an internship in another country or whatever. Fair. But because their parents would then start guilt tripping down, like, oh, you're gonna just,
you're not gonna start working. And it's like, yeah, it's not a good cycle. I agree and that that brings me to like, let's say my Tyson story right over there. I'd be like, dude, on your off hours, buddy, like this is it, you know, and he always lucky he got picked up and everything. Yeah, however, there are many stories of people the the two hours after your whole day of work when you're tired and like that's where you build your empire, man.
Yes. And it's been said thousand times every motivational speakers. It's it's those two hours they build your empire. What's the thing that's like 7:00 to 9:00 AM is build your empire. 9:00 to 5:00 is your job kind of a thing and five to whatever is your responsibilities. Jerk off. Whatever. Yeah, yeah, you know, take your Dick at parties, you know, But I mean, and it's very true. I'm a firm believer of that. And it's the whole 1% thing. Did you do country 1% to your
dream? If you did, you're good. Yes, No, I think that's the thing. So yes. The one thing though, is that now that I'm 42, there are things that when I'm, when I look back, like, oh man, I wish I did this and this and this. However, I'll be very straight. I've had a lot of time to reflect and I do this all the time anyway. When I'm like, dude, I've done some really cool things like like, Oh my God, I did this party.
I'm like, I've done, I mean, I when I go to school and tell him I'm a career, I'm like, dude, I've been a ring announcer. Yeah, I've done the Formula E thing. I've done Macaw Grand Prix. I was a press conference guy. I'm like, I was like 1 meter away from these international race car drives. I'm like, what the hell, man? Yeah, I have nothing to complain about. Of course. Yeah, yeah. So there. I mean, so hence why it's a very like yes and mentality, right. So what about you?
Like if you could the whole if you could talk to your younger self, what would you tell yourself? Yeah. Well, I think I obviously we've had very different kind of like lives like early on, even now. I think what I, what, what I did like unintentionally worked out for me is that when I left Egypt in my early 20s, I took it as a way of like, almost like a working holiday where I just like want to leave the country for a little bit, but I also want to travel. I'm like, I'm going to work
abroad. But eventually what ended up what it led to is that I actually, I'm kind of living what I had imagined I wanted to do, which is to be like, be stationed outside of the country, Yeah. And then kind of eventually come back. So you wanted to get out of Egypt? I wanted to get out of Egypt. Yeah. What? Was the what was the thing that made you go Like, I need to get out of the pyramids, man. Well, it's, it's the whole like Arab Spring thing.
We might have talked about it on a very early episode, but it's like the whole, like, you know, protest and. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the government cracking down or all that. So in a way it was kind of necessary, but also the idea that I wanted to travel. But it's what we're talking about earlier. I can't afford to just hang out. Oh, yeah, yeah. I just don't have that luxury.
So I needed to work to. But I also don't like, even when I was much younger, I the idea of like a backpacker, like living, you know, working in a. Hostel and then working bracelets. Yeah, yeah, make a bracelet who never attracted me even when I was young, like when I quote, UN quote, backpacked around countries or whatever, it was still very much like I had always the option to just buy a hotel if I want to, like a hotel room. Yeah, right. So it was never.
He said by hotel. I'm like God damn dude hold on a second this is a twist. Yeah, get like a hotel room, right. But it fascinated me also because I would meet people from traveling from Europe who I know for sure their parents have money, but actually choose to come to Asia and travel with no money and just try to make it to the next country. And actually that was because I'm like, that's a risk I wouldn't take. Just it's personal choices, right?
I remember like travelling in Beijing, staying in hostel and meeting those Icelandic people who are like, you know, 19 or whatever, and, you know, young whatever people. And they were literally saying like, yeah, we're here in Beijing, we're going to, I don't know where we're going to Indonesia, Thailand, whatever. They're like, we need to find money to get there. There's just like, that's our challenge now. So does it means, like, maybe we just need to play music on the street?
You know, we need to, I don't know, buy beers and sell them at a party? We need to figure something out that is obviously not illegal. Yeah. But it's so cool to for them to make that choice, knowing that of course they can call their dad the next day and. Be like, yeah, yeah, you. Gotta send me 1000. EUR Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta save me. That's different. Yeah. But that's that's, yeah, it's cool in a way because you still have a safety net. But even that I wouldn't do.
I think it's that. It's it's a bit like irresponsible as in like you will. OK, put it this way. It's like people hiking in Hong Kong during the typhoon. Yes. And whatever happens, the fire service can get me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's an asshole movement. It's like, that's not really you on, you know, you're doing something where you're having fun. If it's good, you don't share with the firefighters.
Yes. But if you go bad, you're like, hey, guys, come help me. You're like, fuck you, man. Yeah, it's true. Oh, yeah. I think the same thing is like, you're going out there exploring, enjoying life and everything. And then should things go bad, you're like mom. Yeah, Mom. We're like, Mom, I need yeah, I need some money, you know, But then when things are good, you know, like Mom, I want you to come and join me. Like, no, no, no, no. I enjoy it. But when it's bad, you better be.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that the one thing for me is that at a young age, I didn't really have that luxury of the safety net. My family situation is is nowhere close to what people would imagine it right. However, it was like a it would give me a really strong drive of trying to create a safety net. And I'm talking to my girlfriend Gloria about this all the time. Is that one of my biggest issues that I need to create a safety net for a safety net.
Like there are some people who do that backups. I do back a little backups, right, You know, and you know that about me, right. I always have like a plan C sure right. So I think that issue was one of my driving forces of trying to explore the world and see like how does this work? How did it? How are these people, you know, so calm because I'm scared of shit without a safety net, right.
And then the more I explode, the more I'm like, they're not calm, they're just in. Everyone, yeah, they're just like putting out a front, yeah. Like to look like calm and calm, yeah. But they're not, you know, they're just as scared. However, they're not willing to accept it. That's why they're not willing to do the work involved. And I've noticed there's a lot, like my generation of kids where they grew up pretty alright.
And because you grew up pretty alright, you've never had the fear of I'm going to fall into a hole because, like, I'm sure someone will save me. Yeah, but you don't have safety net. But you believe someone around you will eventually come save you. Yes. And I never really had that or I would say not really never had that.
But like, I had enough of people who pushing me, yeah, alright, to make me go like even if I have a safety net, they're gonna push me through the safety net and breakthrough it. And for me, the whole, you know, hence why I have this super crazy drive to be like, dude, I need to build like. An empire. Yeah, an empire be like and to the point I have a Moat around my home or whatever where I'm like, OK, not only can you not if you know how to swim, don't
we have alligator? Oh sure, you have a sword. Don't worry, I have fire or you have an extinguisher or don't worry, I have this now. It's like every move you have, I have like 10 moves because growing up, yeah, people who don't know, like my dad is an asshole and he was the type of guy that. Yes, this was mostly covered in the Patreon by Yeah, Yeah, you can if you're gonna hear Vivek's dad's. Yeah. Adventures with Vivek? Yeah, that's covered in detail.
I was on the Patreon episodes. Yeah, you can pretty much subscribe. Here's what you can do. You can subscribe for a day. Yeah. And just listen to a random. Episode you bitch about that? Bitching about his dad, and it's very entertaining, yeah. To me, yeah. Vivek cries a lot on the episodes, but to me it's very entertaining, yeah.
Yeah. And I think that's the that's the thing where the difference in choice of young life is that from 20 or 18 or whatever, I had the set of like, I am going to build something. Yeah. Where like, even if you push me, give me a bulldozer, I'm like, oh, jokes on you, buddy. Yeah, because I have a wall behind me now. You can get through this one now, you know, that kind of thing.
So I think that itself, contribution from the parents is very key, Hence why I'm very much against parents being too nice to their kids once they're let's say 18. If anything, honestly, once they're 13, if I had a kid, Oh my God dude, I would be. I don't think we'll have a relationship. Right. Don't you think in a in a fucked up way that would replicate the cycle of your dad and you? No, but the difference is that I'm doing it because I don't want to give them that.
That sense of like, no, you know, whatever, life's great and everything. Like no. But don't you think he he might have been thinking that when he was treating you that way? That's the difference. Like he was doing it because he didn't like the idea. I might be better than him. So he was doing like the moment I go anywhere close to what he's at, which is a very low level anyway, you know, he's like, Oh, no, I'm going to find a way and
he will. This is this is what I've learned how to the art of deception, right? There's a book called the Art of deception. Anyway, I love that because I'm like, dude, this is exactly what I've gone through my whole life. Is that giving you the feeling of like, I'm on your side or I'm so and so and everything and then overtime be like, Oh, that's why I bitch. That joke's on you kind of a thing. And I think that made me realize, Oh, OK, this is very interesting. This is a, this is a tactic,
this is a skill. But to be able to see that and be 10 steps ahead of them, it's actually a valuable thing. For example, when I do gigs now, I don't just like, OK, when I go to a gig, I don't just go like, oh, how's the room? Yeah, I think, how am I moving all this stuff through the lift and this and this and that? What time is it of the day? Do I get a van this net? I've thought like all the whole
procedure, sure. Before even talking to a client about like, oh, which day are we planning on doing this? You know, because that's always been my thing. Because I'm like, I know someone's gonna, someone's gonna fuck me over now. Even after so many years of things not happening that way, you still have it in the back of your. Mind. Oh, yeah, yeah. But it's become my my. School is ingrained in you from a young age that someone will try to fuck you over. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Someone will be like, ha ha, bitch, yeah. Exactly, like right before, for example, just last time we were doing a gig at the Hong Kong Yacht Club. Yeah. And basically this is a normal comedy night, right? So I had a few other comedians and stuff and everything set up. We've discussed it. I brought my 300 Watt spotlight everything. I went for a site visit. Everything's good, right? Yeah. We get to set it up. I test everything. All good, all good.
All good. And the next thing I know because they're using wireless mics. Someone one's jamming into the system, right? Damn. And I'm like what? How is this the problem? Shouldn't this be solved like a long time ago because? It's their own sound system. Their own sound, but it's a good, it's a sure quality wireless thing, right? And the problem is that particular model I'm not familiar with so I wasn't sure how to change the channels and everything, but whatever it is I
was like. Why so it's happening while the show is no? Just before luck, OK, Because before we do soundtrack every now that you get look, look, yeah. I was like, you know what, I can bear with that if it really happened. Then finally some was like, no, hang on. I was like, OK, someone's definitely either singing, right, Something that's jamming to the system. And I'm like, why people? Why, you know? So it's always hence why, yeah, I've always been like, you know,
if it can be wired, it's wired. It's not wired. Yes, Wired is. Yeah, You'd see also even like the comedy specials around the world. Yeah, pretty much everybody. All the biggest things you can think of. We we always say don't try to over complicate it. Don't over engineer this shit. Yeah, sure. SM58 wired. Yes. Done. That's it. Yeah, that's it. The end of list. Actually, there's nothing else. There's one mic, one model. It's a cheap mic, actually, and it's a usual XLR. The end.
Yeah. Don't try to complicate it. Yeah. We don't need a Michael Jackson microphone. Yeah, you don't need nothing. Yeah. Yeah, Just give that. No, I don't want to hear your idea. Yeah, don't just give that. You think Bill Burr is wrong and you're right. It's like you go to like a whatever shitty bar in Hong Kong and you go like, OK, how about
we have this system? Like you think this guy on Netflix is wrong for using this mic and you figured out a better sound system than the guy who was working about Madison Square Garden? Like in what word? Just do what he does, it's easy and that option is cheaper. Now see now this is the issue when you have terms like disruptor. Have you heard of this term in like the startup world? Yes, I hate those people. Yeah, Yes, we're disrupting the system, guys.
You know, we're coming to the banking system disrupting the way. Don't disrupt, Yeah, yeah, just just like if you there is a reason why you're being disruptor because if you, if you actually had something better, yeah, a better idea, you would have already gone like got an out, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I see. That's the thing though. Again, that's I've always wanted to be a disruptor. I've always because like I didn't like the authority of a lot of people saying this is outdone.
You know, you get married at 20 something, you have kids. I'm like, I'm not going to get married. I'm going to purposely do something different or you get a job in an office. I'm not going to get that. I'm going to go completely opposite. You know, you do a job 9:00 to 5:00, I'll do it at 5:00 to 9:00 through that, you know, And I think it's really weird because like, as much as it's annoying, now that I'm older, I'm like, God damn kids, this works. Why do you think that you're so
special? Sure. However, I totally get it cuz I'm like, yeah, I, I, I see what you're doing over here. However, this is my thing. I'm a big fan of Bruce Lee for this exact reason. He was a disruptor, but he has stuff to back it up with. Yes, that's what I that's what I say. Yes, yes, I think being a disruptor for the sake of disruptor, that's what I annoyed by.
Yes, of course, yes. I'm, I'm not saying you should follow the system because I'm also someone who's not following the system, not doing a nine to five on all of these things. Yeah, So I think it just, there is a lot of people now in the culture that you are learning Speaking of like crazy, like social media videos and stuff. People who are just like, go like, you know, don't follow. And then that's it.
That's the end of the lesson. It's like, no, man, you have to have a really solid plan in order to not follow. Otherwise you're just being annoying. You feel like you're just telling people not to do the thing that works for most people. But then with no plan behind it, as opposed to, you know, the first guy who did like Spotify or whatever is like, he wasn't just like, hey, music industry doesn't work. The end. That's an annoying disruptor.
He had something that it was already like, oh, no, no, it doesn't work. And here's a better system and implemented it and implemented it. And This is why he's a disruptor in a good way. Yeah. Not just the disruptors, like, hey, we should change the music industry. He's like, OK, what's your solution? No, we should change. Yeah, exactly. Oh yeah, I do. Oh my God the the number of people that annoy me with what I call a bullshit ideology. Yes, yeah, that's why, just to make it clear.
That's why I meant with like the annoying disruptors. Yeah, yeah, it's those people. It's like, yeah, we call it also like toxic positivity. Yeah, which is one of my like my most like black. What's the word like provocative things to see now? Because I can see, really see it. Like you can tell, you can tell right away. It's like every like this you're, I mean people who would just love every idea, everything that other people say. Yeah, It's like, OK, you are one
of those peoples. Like you're so afraid of conflict or, or calling people out. That's just like, I'm just going to say everything is good, everyone is good. It's like. Yeah, I think that's the thing that with our generation, the good thing is that we got in the middle of the pre Internet time where you have to figure it out, like go to library if you really want to go do the work involved. And then you got the Internet where like, wait, you mean this can do the same thing but way
faster. Oh my God, I'm willing to do it to the point now that when you grow up in this era, you're like, yeah, I don't have to even write anything. ChatGPT done right and it's done for you. And you forget the idea that sometimes the reward comes from from the actual action of doing the hard work and that good feeling like, Oh my, that that's mine.
Oh my God, I did it right now. OK, so the disruptor that this coming back to a lot of videos online, the social media stuff right now, everyone's trying to get your attention. We all know that they're trying to kind of change things up. For example, there are a few examples that what's the guy the kwami guy Remember the one who does watches videos of people doing life hacks and then he will the the. Oh yeah, the black man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he got like, yeah. Such a great story.
And yeah, there's another one that does that for fitness videos. This other guy that he basically has all these TikTok fitness videos. He watches the people like, let's say doing weird stunts or this girl's like at the gym filming herself lifting weights. And she's like, guys always check me out, you know, or something weird like that. And and he does this reaction of like, I enter the gym and I see this woman. I'm like, what the fuck? What are you doing?
You know, they do like these weird stunts with like dumbbells with dumbbells and barbers. Like what? Why? Lift it up. What are you doing? You know why you're trying to balance a barbell on, you know, your fingers, what's going on? And I think these kinds of things is very true because like at some point you got some guy going. Like what? What? What are you trying to do? Yeah, yeah, that cabbie guy is the one. That yeah. Cabbie. Yeah, yeah, there we go. Yeah. And he got huge for that.
Yeah. Yeah, he got huge with like no, no words. No what? We're just like the most genius thing ever. Like, it's also like watching him because he blew up during COVID, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He would just, like, sit at home. And his story is fascinating because he's like, from Senegal. He's like Italian, but from Senegal. And I don't know when he immigrated or whatever, but like, when he started, he was working in like, a boxing fact.
Like, like he was like in, yeah, like a boxing warehouse, whatever, in a warehouse or whatever. Like he was basically kind of underprivileged in a way. And he just started doing these videos and people could relate to them because it's exactly what you're saying. People can be like, yeah, I feel that way to imprison you. close. Why? Yeah, yeah. Literally that it's the jester who's pointing at the emperor. And everyone was like, yeah, that's.
Actually, and he's physically pointing at the very like it's. Just yeah, it's like, why don't you just do it this way? Yes, it's one of those like, oh, I've got thing, let me do this like, dude, just cut it. Like what what are you trying to do with this whole weird technique that yeah, and I think that's what I appreciate were like over engineering. I'm a genius. Look at what I do this way is like, dude, this is what what are we doing here?
You know, it's basic. Why are you wasting your time with this kind of stuff? Coming back to one of my my favorite bits of Jerry Seinfeld also like the whole watermelon seed thing where they found ways to have watermelon without seeds. And he's like, what the what? Like people are trying to cure cancer and AIDS and everything. And here you're going like, oh, this, this, this thing, It's got to stop. You know, it's like, it's so true. Like why are we working on this,
man? This is purely for convenience. Why can't we work on something that's actually useful? Like you can just slice the lemon in half with a knife. Why are you trying to find a way to use like a fork? And this is a what are you doing? You know, again, this comes down to the whole when people like that board and nothing better to do, yes, they're like, oh, let me find ways to over engineer. Something, well, I think this is where we really shine in Hong Kong, is that no one has time.
Yeah, for, for this kind of stuff to be like, oh, man, like my life is so empty and, like, slow that I need to think of all the fucked up stuff. Oh, yeah, happened to me. Or like, you know how fucked up the word is. No one has any time for this. Like, no one in my life here. Then I was just like hanging out and being like, oh, man, you know, have you seen this thing in this country? Like no one cares and no one has time. Yeah. It's just like.
And that thing, right, I think about like the attention that you put it on. So which is good, you know, is it ignorance really bliss or should you care or you know, because like this is what I found over time is that on one hand you've got the whole meditation, mindfulness, you know, focus on the now and everything. On the other hand, you're like, you should care about the environment, this and that, everything. But then the more you care about the environment, the more like,
wait, I more depressed. Yeah, yeah. And then the more you see like all these great people saying be the change you see in the world, like Gandhi and everything. I'm like, it's very true. You sort yourself out, we'll be fine. Yes, but I mean, if everyone is following that, I think we can probably get to a better place when you're, as you said earlier, like if you're recycling and everyone is truly recycling, then I guess that's the point of trying to do it in the first place.
Is that like everyone should start with themselves the same way if you. Yeah, if we all care about like a particular issue that should be fixed even globally, like global warming is big of recycling or, you know, whatever, like children's education or anything like that. If we truly care, then yes. But then the problem is that in the capitalist society, I don't mean to turn this to fucking Ted Talk, but it's like, it's especially in Hong Kong, Hong Kong. Hong Kong is basically like one
big corporation, right? It's like in a word, like like in a place like this, it's almost impossible to do that, survive, build some sort of fortune or wealth or whatever and have time because people, people take their downtime so seriously, which actually comes back to our comedy shows and stuff and even going out to bars and stuff.
It's like you don't want to people when they go out to have a couple of beers, they don't want to be burdened with like, you know, problems of the world and stuff. Rightfully so this place as opposed to I think there is other countries like if you're talking about Melbourne, like having spent a lot of time there, people there can be more socially conscious of like their surroundings and the world because the life is good and slow and it's like the government has. The safety net, right?
It's like, oh, you can, you can go chill and like, you know, things can be cheap or whatever and the hospitals are good and whatever. Like we don't have that here. It's just like everyone is for themselves, even the locals, unless you come from like crazy money or whatever. Yeah, but like, you don't have time. And so they come to our shows and it's the same thing, like they expect a certain quality. Yeah, this is my small one this. Is my exactly. I'm giving you 2 very precious
hours. Yeah, yeah. Of my day. And we literally have people like we started our shows at 8:30. And sometimes the hosts like warm up and ask people like, you know, where do you work, blah, blah, blah. And sometimes people go like, yeah, I just left the office. Like, people came straight from the office or they grabbed like, a little sushi triangle from 7:11 and ran to the show. And we work in Jardine House. Like, above office is a bunch of offices. People sometimes come down for
the show. And sometimes, and I've done this now, they're long enough, sometimes people finish the show and go back to their office on a Saturday night. Possibly people. Yeah. You have a call with, you know, whatever. Yeah, you. Have a call, you have a catch up thing. You're like, oh, it's actually good that it's in this building so I can leave that and come back later. Yeah, it's it's.
I think the and hence why it's such a different environment here where on one hand people say work life balance and everything, on the other hand, I was like, yeah, but this is what I've learned over time as well. Hence coming back to the home Mike Tyson girl interview thing is that the the older you get, the more you kind of see a lot of ideals you thought were like, oh, this would be great. You're like, no, there's nothing great. Like wherever you go, there's
always problems with it, right. Like you may be as big as Mike Tyson. He's like, yeah, but you know, I like he, he had an interview the other time. He's like, you know, to my kids, I'm nothing. Yeah, but hopefully tonight they see that dad's actually something, you know, and I'm like, that's very true because like let and many, a lot of these companies say the same thing. I go home and I'm just dad. Yeah, And I'm like, that is such a real thing.
We are like, yeah, it doesn't matter how big you are. Coming back to this thing is that even with the Internet, everything like the whole, what's the word? The forget what the the, the, the term for. Oh yeah, cosmic insignificance. Yes. We're like in the whole world. You're like, you're nothing. It's like relaxed. So on one hand it's very relaxing. We're like, oh, doesn't really matter, you know, life goes on. On the other hand, you're like,
wait, I'm I'm meaningless. Why am I here then? So this is coming back to the whole point of like the social media engagement thing. Yes. You know, like with comedians trying to put, say, reaction videos or crowd interaction, whatever, it's really just trying to constantly tell ourselves that, hey, man, I still matter. Yeah. I think that's what I find over time when you get old is that in a way, you kind of still, when you're young, you want to feel
like you still matter. When you get older, you realize that it's not whether you still matter. It's like, would you still matter to the people you care about? And I think Doctor Seuss had this great 1. You know, the people who matter wouldn't mind, but you're like, do what? Do what you want to be who you want. Well, it's also like that. Like I don't know the exact phrase, but it's more like don't talk about yourself, let other people talk about. You.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's about what they say about you, not so much about what you say. Exactly. Basically, who knows You, not who you know. Correct. Yes, yeah, Yeah. When you get older. I believe in that as well. Yeah. A lot of times, like you see it in like different circles, people are going like, I am this good or I do these things. It's like, yeah, I'm only hearing that from you. Yeah, yeah. So. So yeah, yeah, I know. I've seen a lot of people who
worked with you. Yeah. And they never really, very rarely go like this person is this good? So all the information that I have about you being good, the source is you, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Something. I don't know, man. You know exactly. I don't know. Maybe get your mom to give you testimonial. As opposed to yeah, you just like, do the work. And I don't see. And I will see and people will see, and people will be like that person, his reliable and his work.
See, this is exactly the Mike Tyson wisdom that we're getting now. The older we get like we're thinking about, you know, actually speak louder than words. Yes, you know talk less about yourself. You know be humble ourselves like before May 20s go back dude, you got to promote yourself yes, tell people you're funny, you know say hey, I'm the that is. Also fascinating because in our line of work, promoting yourself is just part of the job.
You're not doing it. You look like you're not active, you're not taking it seriously, or you're just like losing some sort of weird invisible fight battle that we've all put on. Like I posted for the show's promos. I posted a show for a video of comedian Jocelyn Che, who is coming out on to Hong Kong backstage coming. Stage. So in case anybody is trying to be like, Oh yeah, that name's Hans Hamelia, this is the infamous, Yeah, you can put it that way, Infamous which.
You would be on the podcast as well. Yeah, yeah, She was talking about, yeah, the infamous Malaysian Airlines disappear kind of bit, right. So I'm sure you, but Oh yeah, I remember some of that. Right. If you just Google Jocelyn, Chia
Chia, you just all the results. The first page or two pages of Google is literally every news outlet around the world, which is just wild to see every news outlet around the world talk about how Malaysia wanted the Interpol to that's that was actually the headline for a while. Malaysia As for Interpol to arrest comedian. Fascinating. And yeah, so she basically had almost a throwaway line again, she would come on here and tell the full story, but she had a joke or throwaway line with an
audience member. She was like joking with Malaysian audience member in the audience in a comedy club in New York. And she said something like, you know, this joke didn't land just like you're plane or something like that. Yeah, something like that, yeah. Which was just not even part of her act. Again, she was can tell the full story, but that was it. The video went online and that's the end and the beginning and it
was just went crazy. So. But the point is that I put a video up on the Backstage account, not that video at all. And I don't believe it's actually because of who she was on that incident. It's just the video resonated with a lot of people. Yeah. And it was so strange to see how viral a video can go so quickly because I put it up as time of recording, like, you know, four or five days ago. And it's now at 60,000 views on that. It's the biggest video I ever had on the Backstage.
Yeah. Yeah. We've had people like Jordan lungs videos your video sometimes like pick up steam nothing like this 60,000 video 60,000 more than 2200 shares. It's people sending it to each other and the idea is so simple, such a genius bit because she the bit is people ask her what's the difference between mansplaining and just explaining she was I'll tell you what the difference is different. Mansplaining is when a man is explaining and he's ugly and it was just like, it's so true.
Yeah, it's so true. Which is like, that's what I like about it, is that everyone can relate. And I was actually talking to Andy of all people about comedians and stuff like that the other day. And we, I think, agreed that a joke doesn't have to. Like, you can disagree with the joke, but the best jokes are always when the logic is solid. You can disagree with the joke where the punchline is, but the logic is there. Yeah. And that's usually the foundation of all the good comedians.
That's my opinion. Yeah, that's what I love about Burr. Yeah. Builds his entire act on solid logic. Don't have to agree with his state. You don't like what he's saying, but he's like, that's fucking true. It's. True. Yeah, it's just like it's same for her. Yeah, like what she's saying is true. Yeah, you know, exactly. People will accept the same explaining if you're hot and I am not. Yeah, dude, I am annoying and you're like, my God, the hot guy's explaining something he
said. Oh, listen. It is so true. It is absolutely. The rest of her video, which again, I highly recommend people go on the page and watch it. The rest of her video goes, yeah, when an ugly guy go explain, you go shut the fuck up. Yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah, exactly. And. Then when he's hot, like I don't know anything, Yeah, it's so. True. Oh, my God. I can imagine a lot of situations where, like, for example, let's say the hot guy opened the door.
Yes. Like, Oh my God. Yeah, you know, or pulls the chair out for you or, like, let you go in first. You're like, when the other guy, you're like, oh, chivalry, whatever. You think I can't. I can't open the door for myself. I don't need you. Yeah. It's like, God, dude, like, can I not be nice anymore? Yep. Exactly, man. Absolutely there is.
There is a comment, yes. Actually one of one of my favorite comments on the video is like, Yep, it's not about what it said and it's not about how it is said. It's all about who says it. Yeah, absolutely, man. There is a comment that like, I think it's a bit divisive. I would say like people didn't not not a lot of people interacted. But he said, yeah, I used to manage young staff of 50 and sexual harassment was only if the guy was ugly. Yeah, same girls would harass
the cute new guy. I'm. Like, oh damn. That's, of course. Man, yes, like yeah, ugly guys, sexual harassment for hot guy. Oh, we harass him. Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. He rushed my shoulder. Exactly. Yeah. This is this is the the never ending argument, Right. I think we had the whole thing before, like equal rights and everything. But let's see it. Ladies night. Yeah. You know, it's like, why? Yeah. It could be a free entry. Yeah. It doesn't work that way anymore, right.
You know, So, yeah. And again, coming back to one of Bill Burr's best bits about the, the, the equal pay thing. Yes. Go online, just look for Bill Burr equal pay. And my goodness, that that over there is solid logic. Yes. To the point where you're like laughing like, ha ha, ha, ha. And that's true, yes, you know, and. I think probably, yeah, the best kind of jokes that I personally enjoy, it's like that provokes that kind of reaction.
Yeah, exactly. Like even if it's uncomfortable, doesn't the joke doesn't have to be uncomfortable to be good, but at. The point where you're like. Yeah, I can't disagree. Yeah, even if I disagree with the punchline or the analogy or whatever. But like the point that he's trying to make is that it's the same thing when he Belbert again with the whole Michelle Obama thing with. And he's like, we didn't elect her. No one can. No one can disagree. Just that one line as a setup.
No one in the right mind can disagree that she was not elected. Yeah. Doesn't matter if she's good or not. Yeah, in her own right. He's like, why are you talking? We didn't interact you. Yeah, but you know the system that no. No, no, no, no, no. I want this guy. Exactly. Not you. You a part of it. You just happen to be there. Yes. You know, Yeah. And she's not running as AVP or whatever either. She was just like the president's wife. Yeah, so I was like, why?
Of course, for him to like, you know, to cover his ass, he said like one day there will be a female president and we almost had one. Not me. Like the Americans almost had one a couple of times. And he's like, when she's present, I don't want to hear from her husband. Yeah, same thing. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Not a woman man thing. Exactly. That's what he said. Like, no, Sir, you are the first first lady. The first male first lady. Yeah, he's like, go paint the
White House or whatever. Right over there, man. Yeah, exactly. I think that that is the ultimate thing when it comes to all these discussions is that with comedians, the one good thing is that they make you laugh and they make you kind of like, you're right. We are able to talk of topics that you may not like to be discussing, and it's usually uncomfortable, but hopefully with the little humor involved, you're like, you know what?
It lightens things up and I'm willing to go there and actually really reflect on it. Yeah, and Speaking of comedians will make you laugh. We will go into details about it in the next episode because we are out of time. But we in December, we have a pretty cool. Like we kind of did it in a way intentional where we try to bring out more female headliners and we just like lined up a couple. One is Jocelyn, who we just
talking about. She's headlining on the 7th of December, 2 days after our live show, actually at the aftermath. So Jocelyn will be on 7th of December. Jocelyn is on her way out of the New York scene. She's relocating to Europe and she has been obviously a very established name in the New York comedy scene for the last few years and she's amazing. And we also have Irene too, who is a queer comedian from LA. She has blown up.
She's done a bunch of like stuff for like Netflix and she writes for At Midnight, the TV show as well with Taylor Tomlinson. And she opens for her In the Road a lot. And she's quite big on social media. Her videos are amazing. So she's coming through on the 21st of December. We'll talk about the whole direction of trying to bring out more female comics because we're also going to do that for next year.
We're going to try to balance it out a bit because we can joke about, you know, the the industry being like, you know, men need attention more or whatever. And I personally even joke about that in my ACT. But it doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to go out of our way to balance things out a little bit more.
Even if it's like, it doesn't mean it's tokenism of any sort, which is why like backstage comedy, we still have a certain standard that we will never compromise on no matter how who the gender or whatever is. But it means that we just don't need to go out of our way to find those really good people who match our standards for quality and put them on. That's what we're going to start to do starting from December.
So I really hope that people can get on board with that and come to support particularly these shows because I would like these shows. And I'm not saying this just to promote a show, but I genuinely would like to show the comedy scene here that it doesn't matter who's on stage, as long as they're good. That's actually the message. Yeah. And that's true equality in my philosophy, in my opinion, is that true equality is that you look beyond the persons gender or color or anything.
It's like, oh, that's just a good comedian. The good comedian on stage or good performer is when you don't think that they are black or white or gay or have a dildo on their head. It's like that's a good performer. I want to see that. So I really hope people come to these see particularly see these two shows. Jocelyn Shea, December 7th are into December 21st. Link in the description, all of that. We'll talk about it more in the next few episodes leading up to these shows.
And hopefully both ladies will be gracious enough to come on the podcast and share their story as well. December 5th live show Patreon is about to record. We're about to record right after this one. What do you have going on? So me right now, I only have a show, I think, lined up with you. Yeah. Yeah. So that'll be coming up soon. Other than that, the live recording, that's the public one. Everything else is pretty much private bookings and everything.
This is, of course, the busy time for me. And the one thing I I liked when you were talking about how you're trying to find things to bounce out, the talents and everything, I think more that might be your legacy. Yeah. But you know, the bad news is, yeah, no one's going to remember. Thanks, Mike Tyson. Speaking of, we might actually between recordings, we might tune into the fight, see if Mike Tyson and Jake Paul are. Yeah, you already know the result. Rest in peace.
Hopefully, Jake Paul, and we'll see you guys on the next one. Thank you.