So I reiterate here, the bill is dead. The story of this great city is about the years before this night, everybody. I'm waking people up in case they are listening very early in the morning. Not that this episode ever will drop on time since it's my responsibility. Hello everyone, it's my solo podcast. I don't know if you see other names on the title, There is nobody else, it's just me. How? How is everyone doing? I am. I didn't ask you, I was talking
to the listeners. You said everyone. Oh. Yes, I thought I was part of. All right, let's do it all over. You know English. Everyone includes. Everyone, it's me. It's my solo podcast. Which part of this do you did not? Understand MO MO Hong Kong podcast like that? All right, fine. You can talk. Hi. Hello. Yeah, I'm done. Yes. Yeah, exactly. That's all I have to say today. I am a bit tired, so you'll hear me stutter a bit more than usual.
I'll probably fumble and say the wrong words when I meant something else. For example, like when Muhammad said everyone, he didn't mean everyone you see. See, I actually never mean everyone, because I don't care about anyone. Yeah, you're just. Mean to everyone. Yeah, it's excited. Yeah, don't. Mean everyone for you. Yeah. But today, oddly enough, where like if you notice, we are a little bit more perky because today we have guests on the podcast.
Yes, and we have space. And we have space as well. Yeah, we're not on the video version yet, but no. We're waiting for good looking guests. To start, this is more like, you know, let's have guests get back and get in the groove of having guests, and then we'll have visually appealing guests. Correct. One day. Yeah, one day. You know when the budget allows. You know why waste it all?
Yeah, we do have. So the reason this episode is happening is because we got feedback from a listener slash famous comedian in Hong Kong slash general cool person Nina McGrath. Hi, Nina. Hi, how are you? Good. I'm so excited to be on Hong Kong's premiere Christmas podcast. Oh. There you go. Christmas. Christmas. Yeah. Hey, we'll take it. We'll take. Just take it. Just take it. OK, I'll take it. She's going to write. Another Letterman. She'll write another letter.
Just say yes. I think yeah. And over over the years of how many years you have been doing it, we never got like a formal, we get some letters, but never a formal letter from like a company with like a letterhead with a letterhead. Normally our listeners would not spend any more time than just Microsoft Word. Yeah, you went into your company system or whatever to get an official letterhead. Yeah, to then write us a letter.
And I'm like, first of all, either you truly felt annoyed about something we said, yeah, or you truly have too much time on your hands. Yeah. I think the key thing was you said it would be really funny if and I was like, Oh yeah, spend some time on this. Exactly, you said the right words and the right. Exactly. We know how to get them. OK, so you actually let's give people a little bit of back
story. I know listeners who kind of like, go in and out, so might have no idea what we're talking about. South. A few weeks ago, we, Vivek and I, were talking about airlines etiquette and generally complaining about as we do. Yeah, and we were talking about still what is OK and what's not and stealing blankets. That was your like. So I was stealing blankets from certain airlines only? Yes, yours was mandatory. Yes, and also people who don't know. There is also Annie here.
Yeah, so. Just just to just to remind everyone, Muhammad is in fact Egyptian, hence why Annie took so long before she was given a chance to. Yes, it's always at least at the three minutes mark. Yeah. Everything's. Extremely delayed as well, so. Yes, and that's the same at home by the when I talked to her and she starts talking I'm like and then. 3 minutes on the clock. And then she starts talking, and she has about 20 seconds, just like she did now. Yeah. And then she's silent.
We're at the four minute mark. We're resetting the timer. What happens over here? But when we did the airlines thing and he gave me shit because we flew together a bunch of times and then she gave me shit for stealing blankets and. He wanted to take mine too. I'm like, no, you leave mine alone. That is staying on the plane. But the question is that blanket that you stole on the plane that Annie complained about, Yeah. What's it? What's it being used for right now?
He covered hard, which is cold. Yeah, no, I'm not not. I'm not even felt the texture of this. Blanket to the world of relationship. Exactly. 'Cause recently my best friend came to stay this week and for a few days MO was on the couch with air con blasting and then this furry Malaysian Airlines blanket that you rate very highly now. Yes, the quality is better than the ones I've seen that he's stolen. So I'm like, OK, I'll give you that. It's a quality blanket.
If you're gonna steal just one, I'll allow you to have that. I would like to start. Just to go to a really old reference, I mean, if one of their blankets goes missing, Malaysian Airlines really won't really that's our that's our MO. Yeah, the shit goes missing. Malaysian Airlines, your shit might go missing. Yeah, and we say might go missing. We live in anything. A God damn plane. And my earphones, Yeah, I'm
still sorry about that. Yeah, even though it's not technically the airline's fault, I still blame Malaysia. But no. But they sent the people to Malaysia Who? I stole your stuff. And I was flying Malaysia Airlines. There you go. Yeah, maybe they were like when you were on the plane, they were like, hey, this guy's go to earphones, let's keep tracking them down. The visa form, you have to write down where you were staying. That is true. Yeah, they followed you all the
way. Yeah. I'm telling you right, that particular air Hostess probably heard that previous episode was like, fuck this guy. I used to work in Cathay. I moved to the Malaysian airline I. Called my friends at western to fuck with. Him exactly. Yeah, yeah, let's get this. Let's get this on, man. The one blanket for one earphone. I would like to start like a TikTok account of like creating different airlines blankets. I think that would go big, right? Yeah, that's.
Yeah, I think it's. Very nice. These people like niche stuff. Right. I mean, I put it this way, it's like kind of like people are getting those points like the Asia miles and everything. Now you can have a website like see Guru right? You have blanketguru dot. Com What What guru? Seatguru, What is that? It's basically a website that supposedly shows you the shape of the plane and all the seats and advises you which seats are good and bad.
Yeah, it's not really accurate because like every time the same thing or the ones near the toilets are bad. No shit, there's a lot of. Shit. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that. But that'd be pretty cool. I mean, you could have amenities Guru where basically you would talk about how the ease of stealing of the blankets, right? For example, let's say. That's the primary criteria so far. Because you nick it I'm. Looking at Mohammed, I know
where his priorities are. Yes. You know, so basically either Steven would come between, for example, how many staff are there that are looking over you? How many staff are there that care about looking over you? Yeah. And #3 the color of the blanket. See Cafe being Gray. Extremely easy. Yeah. To get stolen like Thai. Air don't give her tips. She's going to go back. And she was like, hey guys, make it fluorescent. Because like. Blue it's.
Malaysia Airlines is blue. Yeah, and tie is purple. So you see my table mats right now, Purple and blue. So those guys are good. See, with Cafe, I know why they went Gray because it matches any color you see. If you had some weird fucked up color, you know, no one's going to see that. She's like, Oh my God, this is an off yellow green, you know that. We don't want this shit. Let's pull back a bit and say what? What does Nina?
Because I think at this point, people, my people, people might think like what? Nina Cathay, what is the relationship? Yeah, it's OK. Yeah. Just do like a quick two-minute radio interview of What do You Do for Cathay? So I'm in charge of blanket audit. Nice. No one BA. Yeah, exactly. No. No. So my job at Cathay is pilot fatigue, so. Pilot Fatigue Pilot. Fatigue. I just heard that. Yeah. I'm like, I heard pilot fatigue and I think she means pilot fatigue.
I was like. You know, is that actually that's not the official title. Oh my official title is Group Safety Manager, Fatigue, Risk Management Systems and Human factors. Is that just fancy word for masseuse? You just, you just massage tired pilots, dude. We. Can now sauce that to a chair. Can I just? Say that is the best fatigue risk management system. If we keep doing this, we're running the risk of getting tired. Let's not do it. That's kind of exactly. Right.
So cool. What makes us get tired? And yeah, let's stop doing that, yeah. Yeah. Wow, have you read every sleep book there is? Yeah, yeah. And sleep's having a bit of a moment the last couple of years, so there's lots of books. Wow, sleep is coming mainstream. Yeah, I don't want to do it anymore. I. Feel like a lot of people are doing it right now. I mean, even Taylor Swift's doing it. So I'm just like, oh shit, it's on, man. Sleep is in.
It's so hot right now. I would say honestly, from what I've seen around people that I know, yeah, almost one third of their time wow spent on something. No way. Are you a professor? Dude, I don't know. I read this book by Nina McGrath and I was like, I don't know the same good shit up here. I have that, yeah. I, I'd like to say I experienced sleep a lot and it's pretty good. Yeah, I was. I was doing it before it was cool. Just yeah, yeah. You're so old school. I know.
OK, so yeah, what? About this basically making sure that people don't get tired on the job. Yeah, making sure the pilots and cabin crew get enough sleep to do their job safely. Well, I do have a question. When do they sleep and where do they sleep? On board, yeah, yeah. So there is certain aircraft will have on board sleep areas and they're like they're usually sort of behind the cockpit. Well, for the pilots, they'll be either in the cockpit or sort of behind the cockpit.
They'll just be this door that you're like, what's what's do they cupboard? What's do they get to be horizontal unlike us? Yes, yeah, yeah, Actually there's really strict standards for onboard sleep facilities. But no, not quite the passengers. They look quite fresh and like those makeup on and stuff though, so like well. Yeah. So the cabin crew rest is usually up the back and it's bigger because you carry more cabin crew whereas pilots you just need 2 bunks so. Yeah, okay.
How do you what do you study for that? Yeah. I studied aviation because you can do that, yeah. And then safety management systems and human. Factors Did you wanna be a pilot? I did, yeah. That's. Cute. So yeah, I was studying aviation and part of that degree was getting a pilot's license, so I'm yeah, out there flying and stuff. You have a pilot's license. I have an Australian private pilot's license. Oh my gosh. Cool. So you can. Fly like private planes.
No helicopters, I'm fixed wing but not Rotary. But yeah, so like, it's small aircraft like so. You can buy yourself a like a single engine and just fly around. I don't even have to buy it, I can just rent one. Whoa. But right now your license is active. Like, well, I think the the license is perpetual, but you need to be current obviously that sure they're not like. Yeah, but did you fly one like for training and stuff?
Yeah. So for training, I flew a yeah, did a bunch of. I think I did about. How is this like, not something that you talk about all the time? I would tell everything. No, Yeah, well. You just jumped up like 3 ranks. And yeah, my friends like the cool friends list. Yeah, I have a pilot friend now. Yeah. Well, there you go. Yeah. Wow. For me, it's so long since I've
have flown. Yeah, and my contemporaries, my, my mates basically from flying school have gone on and now they're like airline captains and things. So I'm sort of like I had a license. Any of us gets rich enough to afford a private plane, we will get you trained up so that you can fly us. Yeah. Oh, I was gonna say so she can massage the pilots, but OK, that's it. That's. Why I just I would have put this out there is no massage. Tainting the work and reducing.
Clearly you haven't been tweeting all the books. I think she just stands behind the scenes because are you OK? Make sure you're not tired. You sound tired. I heard your announcement. Hey, we're going to fly down to it. You sounded tired saying that. A little bit too many uhs and eyes. I want to break down some of the myths that we we talk about over here on the about the pilots on the cabin crew.
One of them is that the pilot speaks with this fucking jazzy voice to calm down the passengers like he can't be too excited. Is that OK? You still have no idea what. No, it makes sense. But is that part, is that like part of an official thing? That they're asked to like. Do they get any training? Yeah, it's like, hey, can you speak like really Connally? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They. Should have that component of media training like that's.
Pretty cool. I think they do because, I mean, obviously as part of your training you have to speak on the radio to air traffic control, this sort of thing. So I don't think there's any like, special training of how to speak to, you know, to passengers. Yeah. But an interesting voice thing is, all of the alerts in the cockpit, if it's a human voice speaking, it's usually a female voice.
Because apparently the studies have found that the generally male pilots, like 97% of pilots are male, will respond better to being given instructions by a female voice than by a male voice. So that's true. Actually, it's the alpha male kind of thing. Like, you don't know better than me. I'll tell you what to do. I'm not crashing over there. Fuck you, you. Know basic Neanderthal brains? Right. But I'm not surprised by that.
I mean like it reverses even like let's say the the aircrew on the planes, right to a certain extent you would want the female aircrew more than the male aircrew kind of helping you out, right? What would you like? Well. Like flight attendants? Yeah, flight attendants, I. Don't mind what? What gives you food? What? Do they call them flight attendants? That you call them cabin crew. Cabin crew, that's yeah, yeah. I call them air waitress. I don't know.
Yeah, Yeah, I call them fool. You end. This is actually. Yeah. Instead of pressing the button, just go fool. Yeah. Yeah, I thought about this. So when I get on plane, very often when I'm on a long haul flight and everything, I like to ask for like a second meal if I'm able to. Oh yes, I'm right. The letter we'll get to the letter, but.
The reason is that, however, if the cabin crew will happen to me male, I find myself hesitating a bit of asking like for the second meal because I'm like, I, I want to, you know, like. Another. Man Yeah, he probably tell me like the fuck is wrong with you, man. Yeah, yeah. What are you We try bulking up. Yeah. What are you trying to like? Trying to gain what's? The opposite, yeah. Like it's like an alpha move to flex me. Like I need another meal. I'm so huge, I need another
meal. And after that bring me but. The problem is this Annie, I'm not that huge. Do you get it? Like if I was all bulky, they'd be like, oh, see, this guy definitely needs more calories. You know, here I am going like this going or. Just like the toxic masculinity of like, I'm not going to ask another man for a thing that's true.
I would sit here and die and. See it that is so true actually yeah like I would when I hence why one of my best right I was in the mall and I would not ask customer service if it's a guy I'm like I'm not going to ask this guy I don't want to ask like I don't know anything I. Don't need this, but you need severe therapy. Yeah, that's understood. That's clear. That's clear. I. Think anyone who has talked to her back for more than 30 seconds knows that?
Yeah, I will like go up and down, go lose my mind. I will like my stomach grumbling and everything. And I'm like wait for the. Wait for the woman. Yeah, right. OK. I think there's usually at least one female cabin crew member. So yeah, the pilot's 97% male. The cabin crew, I'd actually don't know the stats, but yeah, no, but it's. Mostly women. Yeah, I. Think it's mostly women, Yeah, especially in economy and everything. I've noticed more of that.
OK. So basically, so initially when you got into Cathay, let's say, right, So initially, what was your role at that time when you first got in? Same kind of thing. So I, I came here for a, a fatigue risk management job. And then, yeah, over the 12 years I've been here, it's more to take in a couple of extra things, but yeah. But in the beginning, so you were not under like some supervisor or anything or you were basically leading the whole team of the whole.
Area, The whole team, The whole team of me. Yeah, of you, Yeah, exactly. So you walked into the position itself or what have. You always had this position. Yeah. So I'd done a similar role at other airlines. I EasyJet in the in the UK. Well, I can tell you. I mean, judging from this quality of service, they were. They looked tired. But you left. And they're like, we don't know what to do now. Yeah, we can't stop. Maybe they were just sad that Nina left.
Yeah, so they all like sleep deprived. This cafe staff look pretty, pretty energetic, so I don't know what you're doing, but you're doing a pretty good job over there. Thanks, I'm not taking. Cafe for years because after COVID they just jacked up the price. And now I'm like, yeah, thank you, Yeah. You're welcome. Well, I'm I'm glad they stayed in business. So, yeah, massage this chair is expensive, Mohammed. Yeah, she added that in. Like it's going to cost every
passenger 10 bucks. They're like we're going to lose some, we're going to lose some. Yeah, by the way, wouldn't your job be replaced by an actual massage chair for a pilot? There's. No massage. This is now the title of it. There's no massage. The message is no massage. But OK, seriously, if you give them massage chairs for a pilot then they'll be they'll be more rested. It's funny, I've never thought about the connection between massage and sleep like.
It's race, right? Like the whole idea is like massages, you know, you're more calm and rested like. I mean, I suppose so, but yeah, it's not in the sleep literature, in the studies. Yeah, yeah, that you must get a massage and stuff that's like, that's like. Really. To close your eyes? Yeah. What are the daily activities for you? You go to work and then what
happens? So the way you sort of manage fatigue is obviously we train the pilots and cabin crew in you know, fatigue and you know, the risks and how to all the symptoms, how to recognise it, that kind of thing. So could you give me one symptom? Like other than them being like, do you feel tired? That's a symptom. Oh, actually linking back to your was the previous episode the one with the the Hong Kong
slang you noticed in there? There was a slang for something, one of the symptoms of fatigue, which is micro slip. So you know when people started closing around. Yeah. So the Hong Kong slang for it was fishing. Do you? Was it that? No, I'm. Going fishing something like I. Forget, I forget this phrase, but yeah, there's something where you're like trying to like get some fish. That's funny. Yeah, the fish was going fishing. Would be. Funny. Yeah, There you go. Yeah, that one.
Sounds like amazing. I can use this at work, yeah. How many of you feel like you're dozing and going fishing? I am, you know, Yeah. I mean, that's a later stage of fatigue. That's not yeah. Are you actually falling asleep? Yes, yeah. So micro micro dosing sleep one of. The latest symptoms? Yeah, yeah. So what are the very earlier like if you meet some a friend and you're like I can see that they are sleep deprived. Like what is the first thing you see?
So there's the physical symptoms like the. Puffy eyes and whatever. Yeah. And then, you know, long blinks and yawning and and then there's more. No, you said, yawning, everyone listening. Is yawning. Yeah exactly. Damn, I'm playing. Actually, I'm slightly off topic, but that reminds me.
One of my favorite museums in London is the V and A. And one of the reasons I like it is when you walk into the the sculpture hall, right in the middle, like right in front the stairs as you walk in, is a statue that's yawning. And I've sometimes wait for people there. Yeah, meeting people there. And I just sit and watch the people come in. Everyone comes in looks at this statues like woo. One of the theories is that, yeah, we're competing for oxygen.
So if you see someone in like yawning like that, I need some of that. Oh whoa, that I've never thought of it that way. It is a famous theory that was just invented now. Yeah, Muhammad, control, control. Yeah, no, yeah, I, I, I said that's very I mean, it kind of makes sense because like yawning helps is basically you're lacking oxygen, right? That's when you're trying to grabbing more oxygen and you say hey, that's my that's not my oxygen, my help.
So you your job. OK, so basically I'm trying to just picture your daily routine. That we've. Done right, Yeah. Let's come back to that I. Really want to know that, yeah. Yeah. So the parts have been trained and then we have a reporting system so they can report to us when they're feeling tired on flights. So those reports are coming in. So processing those and then looking at that data to see where the issues are and then how to fix them.
Do you have to de stigmatize admitting that you're tired? Because it's like, you know, we we're taught that hoping busy is good. Like, yeah, only like had two hours sleep. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and that's cultural too. Different things in different cultures. Like obviously the Spanish are quite happy to have a siesta. I think that's brilliant. So yeah, different. What is your stance on drugs? This is a very effective way to keep people. You mean like sleeping pills and
stuff? No, I mean actual narcotics that keeps people awake, because that is. Yeah, so in the military, obviously you can do different things with soldiers than you can do with yeah, civilians. But yeah, they basically have stop and go pills. So it's like we're going on a mission and everybody's. Like MBN or whatever, like stuff like that. Well, yeah, everyone take your. Essential. Speed, I suppose it is or something or OK, we now need to sleep. Everyone take your.
Yeah, I know you might not engage with me, but I I have pilot friends and they do say that the drug culture is quite big. There again, you don't have to confirm or deny. But drug test, Drug test to the pilot, Yeah. And. When there is random. Drug testing. Yeah, because it also makes sense, because it's not just like you need to stay awake for long hours. It's a lot of responsibility to drive a bus full of people
through the air. Yeah. And be like I should really should not see a technical explanation. Yeah, yes. I've always thought it is now with how shitty the commercial airlines is. It's basically a bus. Cafe, but maybe other. Yeah, sure. It's basically a bus that sometimes give you a bag of peanuts, lucky and you're like woo snack. Yeah, oh man. So yeah, coming back to your day, I'm trying to understand. So you you walk into the office, right? Are you like scoping around?
But I who's who's tired? Who's good it? Shouldn't apply to my colleagues because we're, you know, 9:00 to 5:00, Monday to Friday, yeah. You don't give a shit about. You give a shit like that, Yeah, if you're on the land, fuck you, get back to work. Overtime doesn't get paid, Yeah. I mean, usually you're looking at safety critical shift workers. So if you're not a shift worker, you're probably going to be OK for for sleep, yeah.
I like to imagine you're in like, a classroom when all the pilots are in the little pilot hats. But also give it, like, pencils. Yeah, just like slapping like the heads, like Wake. Up. Yeah. Four stripes on their shoulders. Yeah, I'm Captor. Tom, but they're all wearing shorts as. Well, and the little, little briefcase that they're playing. Like. Are you gonna play? What are you in the previous or not? It's just part of my thing, you know, we're. In mention.
It exactly, yeah. It's Nina's class. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That'll be all right. She has a little stick over here. OK, who is tired? Yeah, let's spell it together, T Why? I know. So yeah, back to drugs. What drugs do you recommend for people to stay awake? I recommend that you speak to your doctor about that. Sleeping tablets can be quite addictive or habit forming, so yeah, it's it's fair enough to, under a doctor's supervision, use them for short periods of
time. But yeah, not what's. The rule about how many days you need off after flying. It depends. There's it's pretty complicated rules but minimum rest is 12 hours or as long as the duty that you've just done. So if you've done a 16 hour duty, you have to have at least. 16 hours. But that's off. That's just like, on the ground, not flying, not including like sleep, right? Yeah, that's the, that's the rest period.
Yes, yes. And then within that you've got a, you know, get through security, get it, get the bus to the hotel, yeah, check in, blah, blah, blah. So. Wow. Yeah, well, one of the reasons Annie is here today is because she has, we have flown a lot recently and she has flown even more than me. And she's had quite a few airplane dramas. Yes, but like a lot over
literally over the last month. Yeah, we actually, both of us, when we're flying back from Malaysia, we saw someone get arrested on the plane as soon as we landed into Hong Kong. I actually clocked because I was sitting by the window and I saw the police cars already pulling over to the. Like with the lights on like. The lights on like this. Is all I know. They're here for me. Yeah, actually that's the first thought. I think I, I because I'm in renewing my visa now.
I'm like, oh shit, that went horribly wrong. Well, no, I just thought they were going somewhere else. I didn't actually think it was out. For us, like because as soon as we touched down, I see the cars like moving like really far away. I'm like, that's for us. Yeah, so they come, the police come on board, and like halfway through the flight they walked off our toilet. It just had a big sticker on it that said do not use. Wow, Someone probably clogged the shit out of it. Well.
OK, maybe chucking the drugs in there. Yeah, that's what we think. Yeah, it happened. So they came in and they arrested a guy up the front. Then they started walking towards us at the back of the plane. Asked a guy how he knows the guy at the. Front and I did slip my drugs into Andy's pocket, but she doesn't know that until right. Now, so they're speaking Mandarin the whole time and the guy too, rose in front of us says I don't know him like instantly. I don't know.
I don't know him. I wish is like highly suspicious and then they're like come with us. So he. Gets Yeah, you were saying like he should have been like what guy what's? He you know. That's a natural reaction. If someone like how do you know that man, you're like, you need to have a lot. Yeah. So then the flight attendant starts speaking in Cantonese to the police officer, saying like, oh, something happened in the toilet, so we had to block it off.
Do you want to see the toilet? And the police officer's like, Nah, we're good. I think they already knew, like, what was going on. And then we get off the plane and there's about six people getting interviewed and having their bags checked by the police. So it could have been like people booking individual seats across the plane and then pretending that they don't know each other and then communicating via the toilets with whatever they're trying to. Wow.
That's pretty interesting. Like leaving little messages and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a bottle kind of thing. The. Toilet but his message with yeah message in the bowl yeah the bowl exactly the third look has the L shape yeah that means leave it he. Has the white note not the red note. Oh God. So, yeah, and we, we're like, wow, that was, that was interesting with this dramas. This whole trip's been filled with drama already. You know, just want to go home.
Then we're on the escalators, going up a very steep set of escalators and we're standing behind about 3 elderly Chinese people. And I'm. Yeah, well, I'm holding a bag of cakes and things that we bought from the airport, like take away food. Suddenly the one of the women starts falling backwards, like she didn't have a good grip on the yeah on the step and she's got her luggage and she's just going down and she's taking her
friends with her. Yeah, she's taking her elderly guy with behind her, and this is behind the guys. Any of me? And we didn't even say anything to each other. MO and I just started pushing. We're like, we're doing this now, so. We're pushing back, pushing back upright again because you know, we'll end up on like, an Instagram video of people rolling down the escalator. Yeah, we're halfway up the escalator. And the funniest part was the woman was so expressionless. She was just.
Like she just. Yeah, well, this is my fate now. She was like, I'm just going to fall back like, you know, like what is the what is the the Michael Jackson video? She's like the guy behind her just like perfect choreography. And he's like me too. You just ruined it for they were like push back. So was a TikTok video just not a? Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, We just start bracing our calls. We've been doing a lot of, like, yoga and stuff before this. Yeah.
And the people behind us would not know that. We just save them. From yeah, we basically yeah. And then, yeah, I asked. I asked him if the woman was feeling faint in Cantonese. But then they, their mainlanders. So the guy just said something back, like, thanks for, like, saving our lives. I don't know. It was pretty, like, calm about it as well. And we're like, OK. I did want that video, like the CCTV of like me saving us, saving lives. It's like, where is my video?
What the fuck? Where's your tape? Yeah, exactly. Where's my tape? Now, Nina seeing someone on an escalator fall behind, is that a symptom of fatigue? Yeah, it could be narcolepsy, actually. So narcolepsy, you do just fall asleep like that? Don't you have that? Oh no, I have a different sleep disorder. It's like it's called. Drooling of. People. Yeah, that too. But yeah, the sleep tests you can do to find out if you have a
sleep condition. And one of the things you can do at home is go to have a nap and hold a teaspoon. And if you drop the teaspoon, like you put a timer on and then it'll wake you up. So you've dropped it, it goes clang. And then you check your watch to see how long it took you to fall asleep. So if you fall asleep within 6 minutes or less, you've got a condition. So yeah, they told me like you fell asleep in like 4 minutes so. Like so you can actually even if you're not sleepy, you still
like. Force, That's what happens like if you're in a moving car. So there's a something sleep scale that ranks these things. So do you fall asleep when reading a book? Do you fall asleep? Yeah, yeah. Doing various activities. So most of those things are yeah 'cause when you make fun of me, if I'm in a moving car and I just fall straight, it's like a drug to me, like a bus. I'm like, Oh my God, I'm going down sleepy. But we're doing it now.
Yeah. Yeah. But they tried to give me medication that has speed in it. Yeah. And then I said, no, I don't want it. So now I just live with this, which is fine. It's like out of all the conditions I have, that is like the least of my concerns. Yeah, I think the take away here is that you qualify for Nina's job more than her, right? Yeah, you have a lived experience of being sleepy. I have been sleepy. Wait. A second, I know that one.
So were there were there any cases when you had to deal with like, staff that were just unwilling to accept that they needed the help in their fatigue department? I'm sure there must be some people like, no, no, I'm, I'm, I'm fine, man, I'm fine. Just, you know, anything like that? So that would be more the medical department sort of picking that up in yearly medicals or someone going to them with so.
I think, yeah. So basically you're in charge of setting the guidelines and what they should do from a more policy point of view is that what you're saying? And then the enforcing of it is not your, not technically you like you just basically give like a whole bunch of guidelines that you must do this, this, this, this, this, this. Yeah. So sort of education about This is why getting sleep is important.
He is like, here's the best time of day to nap and he has had to set up a good sleep environment, especially on the road and things like that. So a bunch of training. Yeah. And then? So if people come to your training sessions and they fall asleep while you're teaching, does that mean it's a good job? The ironic thing is I always get scheduled to give talks at like 2:00 in the afternoon. Which is like the yeah. Yeah, it's like right after lunch, like premium time for
sleep, for a nap. Yeah, so people will start fishing and I'm like. Ah, so my brother. You can't blame them. It's Physiology. What are you going to do? Yeah. My brother used to work for Emirates as a flight attendant and he was saying that on their training at the A380 plane is that basically it's designed now to just fly itself completely. Like they're doing very minimal work.
Everybody like obviously the cabin crew does more work, but he was saying that the old like when they took the train because the cabin crew has to take the training to fly the plane as well. Right, Okay, yeah, yeah. Like in case of emergency, whatever, they don't have pilot hours but they know how to land it or whatever. And he was saying when they took the train, like this is fucking bullshit. The whole thing is now
completely automated. But you're saying that the pilots are like the cabin crew goes in and out of the cockpit and they're just hanging out. They're doing not much at all. I mean. They they are on the A3 80s because it's so sophisticated that he's like, yeah, there's just like talking to whatever, but they're mostly chilling.
I think that their workload varies throughout the flight, let's say that, but I think you want a human to for take off for sure Jack often climb and definitely for descent and landing. But in the cruise there will be periods where like low workload periods. I I have a friend who works for unspecified airlines that you may or may not work. You work for is what is. It what is it rhyme with? And he just recently made the switch from from not commercial The what is that one with no
people? The cargo? Yeah. Yeah, The cargo one. Yeah. The one with no people to the one with people and the one with no people. He used to listen to our podcast all the time. Because it's literally just him on the entire plane. No. There's other people there, but. Yeah, he doesn't care about them. There's no passengers. There's no passengers. But I think it's just him and someone else like sometimes. Some of them would be too crewful.
Yeah, yeah. And then he said he switched the commercial and he was worried that it's going to be like, no time to listen to the podcast. It's time to listen to the podcast because again, you guys are doing fuck all. Well, they are. You're doing more work, but. Anyway, well, I mean, they might like to listen to the podcast when they're on their rest breaks in the bunk. Yeah, because listening to a podcast can be a great way to
drift off to sleep. I mean, not this podcast, obviously, because it's so engaging. Yeah. It's very funny and engaging. Engagingpatreon.com. That is right. Oh God, I should say. Oh God, I'm good. Yes, yeah, if you are a pilot, you can spare us $5.00 a month. Yeah, go around the cabin asking for change. It's the same thing. Yeah, Yeah, we do have. We do kind of qualify. We have an Egyptian, we have an Indian, we have Chinese. Technically, yeah.
And we have Lena. Angelina Jolie family donate to. Yeah, literally. Like we're having more bases than UNICEF does. I want to get to the letter. So Nina, do you want to read your own letter and maybe walk us through your notes here? You don't have to read it verbatim, but you can just walk us through your points that you made and also why. Yeah. And if possible says please read the letterhead as well so we all specify yes. So how important it is?
How boring to read the letterhead is Cathay Pacific airline just. Want to make sure we all heard that? Yes. Exactly, we did. That's actually sound bite for this episode. Exactly. And I will tag them all right. So the letter reads. Dear Blanket Bandits, in response to the recent Ho Ho Hong Kong podcast episode #171 on the 27th of May on which you discussed your onboard behaviour, let's did. You run it by a lawyer? Yeah, so formal and everything. Yeah, I just do, yeah. That's just me.
Yeah, on which you discussed your onboard behaviour. Let's examine if it is fine or not Fine. Firstly, Vivek. Yeah, I don't think fine or not fine is. Legal. Exactly. That was your honour. Yeah, my client is fine. Yeah. Your behaviour is fine, I mean. So that was the those are your words from the podcast. Yeah. Is this fine or not fine? Yeah, OK. Let's let's find out, OK? See, that's lawyer talk. I heard your words. I mean your words against you. That's. What you say?
I'm not a lawyer, promise a secret pilot. But I'm not a lawyer. Yeah. Yeah. OK, Vivek, asking for an extra meal. It's fine. We're glad you here. Our meals are so nice that you want to eat twice. The rhyming if it fits, you got to quit or whatever. Right in reference like. Next, large carry on bags. It's fine as long as it fits in the overhead locker or under the seat. Wait, on that note, there was a video like 3 days ago, you might have seen it of like turbulence again.
We should get to the turbulence by the way something is happening there. But there is video from like a European airline and there's turbidence to someone who's standing. And I swear this is, I'm not making this up. He ended up in the overhead compartment and the video is of people pulling him. The entire person is now in the overhead compartment because it's pretty fun. Not like shooting through the roof, but. No, no, no.
Like he's quite a large man. He just all of him is now in the quite funny, like he was hurt, but not too bad, but it's still quite funny. I don't know if it's an urban myth, but I remember a story about there being turbulence on a flight and this baby flying through the air and ending up in an overhead. Like, again. Yeah, it might be like in the story, like the locker opens, the baby goes in, the locker shuts and. The baby's and he now lives. There.
Yeah, yeah. It would be perfect if it's the same guy who just flew into. It Yeah, now he's grown up. Now the baby is an astronaut. He never left the plane. They. Tried for that though. Is that extra luggage there's? A different charge for that. Because the boy is going to get more than 7 kilos at one point and then that that is no longer hand carry. Then you got to like, yeah, it's going to charge.
There are stories. When I was living in China, there was always like, stories about like, once every few months of someone carrying something crazy on the planes. And it's like, starts from like live chicken to like, you know, baby. Sometimes literally people put like, oh, yeah, I can put my baby there. Because obviously flying now is becoming more and more common in China, so more people have access. And so people just don't know fly etiquette.
But it's always, like, funny to see like, oh, what's the latest thing they try to fly with? Yeah. And I have a friend, Kent Kettle, who was actually on one of the. Wait, Kent Kettle. Kent Kettle, Yeah. Kettle. Yeah. Kent. Kettle. Come with you live. He was on one of the earlier versions of the podcast in Shanghai, and he's an older gentleman and has had a long career in China. And he, in one of the episodes, he talked about flying in China in like, the late 80s.
And it was just like, complete madness. And he would literally see live chicken on the plane because back then it was okay. Smoking. Everything was, yeah, smoking. I mean, I would like smoke after another plane again. Yeah, it is. It's very soothing all. Right. I mean combine the two when you get smoked chicken. Yeah. OK, let's do this over here. Let's. What else do we got? OK, using the bathroom immediately upon boarding,
that's fine. Yep. Actually, I flew recently and I found myself doing it. I'm like I'm doing out of a vec, Yeah. That's what I mean when I take a dump as well. I'm doing in the. Vec, that's also what this girlfriend says. Yeah, everyone's, Yeah, I'm doing a vec. Yeah, just move the apart. And finally taking a purple Thai Airlines blanket. Technically not fine, but as they are a competitor we don't mind you pill. This is so far, I've got full approval. Yeah, so, so good.
No, just. The Thai Airlines one, yeah. Or any competitor that is any better? Yeah, OK. Annie bringing a keep cup on board, that's fine. You and your keep cup are welcome on Cathay flights. We're actually on a mission to reduce single use plastic. There you go. I'm saving the world, everybody. Hey MO uh. Oh, that's what it goes downhill, yeah. Taking a bottle of water from premium economy, business or first class while disembarking, That's fine.
Yeah, stay hydrated. We don't want you turning into a mummy. Nice, right? Great. It is racist, yes. Yeah. I am gonna send this to your DNI department. Exactly and. Get in trouble and then and you can take your job and we can finally have some. Money. And the best thing is you can show them that with the letterhead. Yes, yeah, yeah. Who? Who wrote that? And just like, yeah. Yeah, Oh dear, yeah #2 taking the blanket, pillow. Not fine.
Of course, you're not supposed to take the blanket or the pillow. All right. I want to like stop you here because I think we already pay for it, right? And it's included in the price of the ticket. No, like when you stay in a hotel room, is the blanket included in the price of the night's accommodation? What when? Yeah, you're technically you're paying for the bed on the. So you just take the bed as well?
No, I guess what you're paying for is use of the bed in an airline seat for a certain period of you're. Paying for the license. It's the rental. You're paying for the license of the blanket for the duration of your. Flight. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you get the light. It is only like, I flew some airlines that they actually come and collected at the the end of the on the flight. And that pissed me off because I'm like, now they're actually
counting them. Yeah, they're like, Oh yeah, where's your and sometimes because obviously they collected before you land. So people are still sleeping. So do you wake you up to take your blanket, which is actually bad service? Yeah, dude. But I would like, yeah, I would like, I don't think. How much does it cost to make a blanket like this? I'm not sure, but the letter goes on to say, however, yeah, our blankets are made from 100% recycled plastic bottles. Really. So yeah.
So in a way, you're actually just taking another plastic bottle. Yeah, there you go. OK. So do you really all get go to get washed and then repackaged and everything? Yeah, but I'm. Saving the environment, That's a lot of SOAP. It is. It is. It's a lot of water to be. You know, you have somebody buy balls of water and you have the plastic bottle, you know, like put the recycle, take them with yourself on the plane, barter to that shit, give them like 5
balls, one blanket. Yeah, it's a fair trade. Yeah. Wait. Plastic bottles? Really. Yeah. Yeah. God damn they. Make leggings out of it and all sorts. Of what the hell? How the hell do you do that? Like that is Oh my God, this is. Magic. Yeah, that's so weird, man. Yeah, OK, so I'm still stuck on the blanket part because I read OK, what is the? Percentage like barter should be like this is OK. Right. Yeah. What is the percentage of people who might take there? Must be a study.
It's like how many blankets go missing. I don't have that data. I'm not sure, but yeah, I mean, some people, obviously you see them out and about in the wild. So yeah, like people. You're also perfect. I encourage everyone to steal the blankets from any airlines because they're very good beach blankets. Oh yeah, really nice. You just like, you know, And no, like a lot of times like you don't have, you use your own towel, which is gross. So now you have an airline
blanket. And it's a good day of free advertising as well. Yeah, all the blankets have the little logo on them. Right. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. You endorsing it. Basically, you bring it to your house. So all your house guests. If anything, I would say Kathy should turn this around, making an initiative. And also for all of you have a need to take something, take this one with the logo. Take that one. You know, like do that. I mean, I mean, honestly. That's exactly what I mean.
They should have us do the the the the campaign for them of why you should steal the blanket. And no. It's my fucking idea. We. Should just add them to the online like the the shop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, if you wanna, if you wanna take it. Like Oh no, this is such airlines fucking behaviour. Yeah, that's like, yeah, you want this, let's sell. Of course. No, no at. Some point they have to retire old blankets, like where do they go?
They must, you know, they probably give them to homeless people or. They turn them into plastic bottles. Yeah, the great circle of life. Yeah. I've had no idea. I got a, I got a pillows story on the on the way back to Oz. This most recent trip I had the seat next to me was empty. And I've been finding little hacks like closer to the back of the plane. People don't want to sit there.
So if you go and block the the seat near the window, no one's going to choose that seat because I don't want to be blocked in. So I was like sick. I have a seat next to me and I didn't bring my pillow. I was like, shit, I forgot my pine pillow, but I can take the one next to me and I've got my pillow. And then the man behind me, he sounds old. So he was like, oh, excuse me, the plane's about to, to take
off. He's like, can I have that pillow and 'cause I'm just a nice person, immediately word vomit, Sure, why not do that? And then I turned around. I was like, oh, he's probably like an old man who has a sore back. I turn around and he's built himself an armchair full of pillows. He's gone and collected all of the ones with empty seats and he's like a Lord. He's got his arse popped up his head back like everything. I am a. Huge fan of that guy and that guy knows what's up.
That guy is me flying like. Myself. When I was like, I have no consideration to anyone else. I'm like, I'm gonna take your blanket. I'm gonna touch your hair when you're sleeping. Just bored I. Get my revenge, because during takeoff after that, they come around and start giving you
little nuts. And I've seen this one flight attendant before on another Qantas trip, and he says, hi, how are you in this tone that like he kind of knows, like, we've flown together before and I'm like, I've flown with you before. He goes, oh, have you? I was like, yeah, you've got a very distinctive look, like he's jacked but got like little nerdy glasses, yeah. I'm sure he would love that description.
And he was like, oh, thank you. And then we started talking about he, he was like, I've seen you on TVI was like, no way. I agree. Annie Lewis. Yeah. And I was like, I don't want anyone else to like, start talking to me or thinking like, you know. Yeah, actually you cause the whole commotion on the planes, like everyone's like suddenly sliding to the back of the plane and you. Actually the centre of. Gravity exactly centre of gravity because of. You just playing down because
how famous land. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like try to offer me some like special, like special drinks. And I was like, oh, I don't actually drink. And he goes, no way. I don't drink. It's been 10 years. And I said, oh, I'm on one year sober. And then I think he just, we just had good banter, bonded. After that, he left me alone, ate my nuts. Later on, like me.
This is like later on, the lights go down and I see him at the back and he's eating his meal and I'm going to the bathroom to brush my teeth and everything. And I'm thinking, oh, no, we're gonna have to see each other like multiple times again. And you're gonna have to do that. Like, hey, hey, the eyebrow raise you do with colleagues, you know, at the lunchroom or whatever. My God, so awkward. And then I go back to my seat. He was still eating his meal.
And about 15 minutes after that I noticed there's something sitting next to me. On the empty chair under my stuff is a pack of the first class slash business class pyjamas and the little and the little, like, comfort pack and his stuffed chocolates and, like, extra Tim Tams and things. And. Yeah. And he wrote a little napkin note that said, like, you know, from the crew at QF, whatever, like, hope you enjoy flying with us. Like, pleasure to serve you.
So he'd done all of that while pretending to eat his meal. Like, And I was brushing my teeth. He ran across and, like, did that. And after that, when I saw him again, I was like, now my friend's going to have an extra pillow and he's like, of course I'm like, fuck you behind me. Yeah, I think what I take away from this story is that famous people are treated differently. I was fucking shocked. What? The hell. Like now I'm sitting there, I'm
like, can I have a pillow? And it's because some famous asshole behind me, yeah, took my extra pillow and now she's being treated differently. What the fuck? The best thing is that that that guy knowing you went, you went to the bathroom. He was like, I don't know why she's brushing her teeth, taking the shit, remember? Doing the back. The famous doing the Vivek thing, right? Yeah. So he does all that thing, comes back, he's eating. He's like, still. She's still inside. Yeah. Yeah.
What she'd be doing, you know? And he hears like the door and like. Like maximum 5:00 to 10:00. So that was very sneaky. I'm very impressed. Yeah. And. Actually, based on your description of him, maybe he's like Superman. Like Jacks, but with nerdy glasses. Yeah. Takes them off so he can like super speed. Yeah, he's. Like Audi version? Like budget version but with the name What Kent Kettle. Yeah, Kent Kettle right over there. Exactly. I'm Kent Kettle.
I'm CD Comic because I couldn't get a DC my Foreman. Is a is a lovely gentleman and you don't make fun of his name. OK, OK, great name. Yeah. So come about. OK, I'm still curious about your your job, about the fatigue risk management thing. Yeah, mostly because I'm trying to say, OK, I have seen some crew that clearly are just grumpy. Now that's. Most of them. Yeah, it's most of them, but I how many crew come to you and make up their level of fatigue? Like I'm always curious.
I'm sure if you're like, I'm tired, I'm tired of this shit, you know, and you're like, wait, that's not the tired I work on. I work on the actual tie. Like I'm just tired of this shit. Like not yet tired of that shit. That's another department, that's the HR and that's like, you know, other stuff, so. There is some overlap too, like people like think of it look like a tired child, like grumpy tired. Child, isn't that every private? Let's be honest. Yeah, Yeah.
So, yeah, really good question. So there's a bunch of science behind sleep and obviously sleep and fatigue and that kind of thing. So if someone is coming to me saying, you know, this pattern's terrible, I'm I'm exhausted, rah rah, then I can approach that from a scientific perspective and go, oh, OK. Does it have any of the, does it have any elements that would, you know, disrupt people's sleep and then they would end up being fatigued?
So yeah, you can kind of, it's, that's why we sort of educate people and then they report and then that gives us places to look for problems. But yeah, we can apply the science to see, Oh yeah, no. Does this, does this give people enough sleep opportunity or do we need to change, you know, change something so that people can get enough sleep to do their job safely? Oh, OK, But I'm saying like, do you have many people coming up to you with like bullshit excuses? Like I'm tired.
I'm tired of like, come on buddy. Like this is clearly you're just lazy now. Not, I mean, the thing about people being, you know, tired and grumpy is that when I do have interactions with crew, often, yeah, they are, they're tired, they're cranky and. And so, yeah. Yeah, that's like when people say like, oh, you seem angry. You're like, I'm not angry. You tell people they're tired and I'm going to react. Yeah, right. Yeah. You look tired. Like, God damn.
What the hell? You don't need that shit. I mean you. Can't be tired sitting when their ass is doing mostly nothing. Yeah on on the freaking. It's like super easy job. I mean, I don't know. We gotta be fair. I mean, when you when you fly, you're technically doing shit. You're doing nothing. Yeah, after 8 hours, Like God I'm tired man. Yeah, exactly. Maybe. Yeah, If you walk around. Exactly. Can't, you can't really walk
around. So all the time I never see the pilot just going like stretching their legs, walking through the cabin, right. It like never happens because even the toilet is right sometimes in the compartment in the cockpit, right. Yeah, it's easy. Like they don't walk. They don't tend to, Yeah, Roam about the cabin. Yeah. People are like, if you're here. Guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The other guy. Yeah, the other one, OK. So sorry to go on with that.
So yeah, we apply the science and go, yeah, it looks like this is fine. So if you've got someone who's like, I keep doing this, I'm always tired, what's going on, then that can be an indication that they might have an undiagnosed sleep disorder like sleep apnea or something like that. So yeah, if the science says that the work is OK, then it might be a personal thing. And that's. Yeah, that's how you can. Find how do you go into that? Then are you allowed to like,
dive into that? Yeah. So they then get referred to medical and you know, like Annie said, they can do a sleep study or. Yeah, but they must be less inclined to admit that because that might, like, compromise their job, right? Yeah, people can be worried about it. Yeah, if I get diagnosed with this, I'm going to lose my medical and then I'll lose my licence and my whole livelihood.
Yeah. But yeah, most of so that like sleep apnea for example, is you can keep your license if you're being treated for sleep apnea and you just travel with a little machine. Yeah, the little machine. Really. They can fly with that? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah. I would not want my pilots to, that's what. I mean, they're not wearing it at Yeah, yeah, they just. Wear it to sleep. They're actually sleeping on the plane. Like. I mean, but on the plane, that's what I mean.
I'm saying like if I know my pilot has sleep apnea, that's pretty scary. But if it's treated, yeah, OK. If it's treated, it's OK. I mean, it's more scary being having undiagnosed no sleep issues, yeah. Yeah. Do you hear about pilots like fighting in the cockpit? Like arguing. Yeah, like I'm more tired than. You. No, I'm more tired than you. Yeah. I don't, but I do have quite a good story for you about a passage and actually this it kind of captures all of these
things. So we were talking earlier about sleeping tablets and one of the things about them is don't take them for the first time on board, you know, try them out on, on the ground first, right. So we, we had a passenger who tried sleeping tablets for the first time on board, maybe mixed it with some alcohol, had a bit of a reaction.
And so this passenger tied their blanket around their neck like a Cape and they had purchased one of those one metre long Toblerones in duty free and so started roaming about the cabin challenging people to jewels. I love this guy. I am here from the mountains I'm toppler around. And someone in the back is like, excuse me, it's toppler only. I will do you do that. Oh, you know Maltesers. You know they're actually Maltesers.
Right, there you go. It's always, it's always either the Americans or the Aussies or Butcher. Don't worry that. 'D be so cool, you get this guy, the toddler on this other guy who's also on sleeping pills with Maltesers. Alright. So it's going around the. Cabinet The moral of the story is if you know if you're using sleeping tablets, maybe don't try them for the first time. On the outcome, I would say try them for the you don't know what you might turn into.
That might be a new thing for planes who have live entertainment, yes. You have. Like what? Like cabaret? Oh. Yeah, and the table and on the setting of four comedians. I was thinking you were gonna say that this is a new marketing strategy for Toblerone. Like on me. Yeah. Like when you embark the plane, everyone gets A1 metre tobler, right? Just see what happens. Yeah, yeah. And it says not to be eaten. You're like, why? Oh, I see why and whoever.
And now I just thought, someone's going into the toilet trying to shove that up there, but. Definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the holes. Is that down or up, man? You want to be like a sword swallower, Like, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Oh man, so did they allow this passenger to keep the blanket slash Cape? Yeah. That's your take away to the blanket? Yeah, Yeah. He may have needed it in the cell that he was taken. To Oh no, he was arrested. I can't remember the.
That would suck. It's such like a wholesome. If you were on that flight, all four of us, if we were on the flight, we saw this guy with the Tobleroni and all the Cape and everything and he walked up to you and challenged you, what would be your reaction? Well I would assess what weapons I had. So have I just got like a Mars bar? Or yeah, OK, OK. Like I don't. I'm trying to imagine myself. If I see him, I would literally just be like, just not even look
at him. Like like be a person on the minibus. Be like, I don't see you. I don't see you. I've been looking forward. I don't know, probably assess if I look and I see his white, it's more likely that they might be white or white if they are white. Like if the guy is white, I might assess that he might be allergic to peanuts statistically, and then I can throw peanuts on him. That's the first weapon I'll go horrible. I'm like, let's see if that that disarms.
Him that is smart. 2nd is tickling. The tickling actually does work, yeah, it's really works with like the biggest dudes as well because yeah, you just like, you know, they can drop something quite quickly so it's just like yeah, it's quite effective I. Feel like I just find the whole situation too funny. I would absolutely go along with that. I would, yes. And that shit, I'm like, well, if we're going to do it, you better give me half that turbo. Let's go. Yeah. Pick the improv expert.
The problem is that he might not do it. And like, he's not doing. We are laughing at it now, but in his head is probably a serious thing of like, yeah, yeah. So we might, you might not see it as funny, right? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I feel like maybe we're going down, this is the end, but I'm not gonna waste my time getting angry in my final moment. Yeah, I don't know, Like my reasoning honestly is because I was like, dude, I'm on the plane. I finally have some time alone.
Fuck you. Don't bother me. I'm here to read my Kindle. Don't fucking do this shit to. Me. I do. I think maybe we can end on this. Does everyone here enjoy as much as I do other people arguing with the plane? Like when a fight not like a violent fight but like when 2 ladies are arguing over. Long, too long, man. Yes, I I so enjoy this like so much. Like some people like, oh, it's uncomfortable or whatever. I just love it.
Like it's like two people like like two or three rows up or down from me and they're fighting over like the armrest. I'm like, Oh no. It keeps. Going armrest like or whatever it is like sometimes like Oh yeah, you'll see. Your bag is under my leg. It just so. Enjoyable. Happened to me for the first time on the last flight and it stressed me the fuck out like my heart rate was so high and it was 'cause it was dark and all the cabin crew were sleeping.
No one knew that there was an argument breaking out between two women from Hong Kong and about the reclining seat. Like someone was reclining another person. And they were like snapping at each other like both middle-aged ladies. And they were saying in Canto that it was like, don't call me like Little Miss, like we're right from Hong Kong. Like all this shit. I was like. Yes, because it's a fight with no stakes. That's the thing.
It's like there's no real danger and it's just from flights are boring. That you're in the air, there could be a punch on no. No, that's what I mean. Like it's. Up. If it's like 2 ladies or whatever, like two like middle-aged ladies, but also flights are boring, I want something to happen. Dude, there's a screen, right?
Yeah, it's like a a. Shitty movie on the plane is never as fun as 2 ladies fighting over Rick actually my I have to admit my algorithm now my my my suggested videos is mostly plane fights yeah it just got in the system now and it's it's a lot of fun you should everyone should go so no one else enjoys it but. Me, I yeah.
And I don't enjoy I've got my new favorite thing is you know, when you just hear like a snippet of a conversation like just passing and just get like just get tiny little bit. So I heard one last night coming home up the escalators and it was a couple and she's like, so why did he do that? And he and he was French sold at the accent. He's like, because I'm afraid he's kind of an idiot. What should it be? Let's discuss on the Patreon. Yeah. Oh God, Dad.
Yeah, absolutely. That's a good one. Nina, Thank you so much for joining us. This is well overdue, but we're glad to have you. Have you on. Thanks for the latter. For the part that you mentioned my name on, I will follow none of it. I will continue taking blankets until you stop me. Right, I will add you to the no fly list. He doesn't like Cathay. I don't like what is, what is the budget one? Is it Hong Kong Express? Is that part of Cathay?
Yeah, they're a little cheaper. Yeah, Hong Kong Express. But no, there is a subsidy of it like the the dragon. No dragon. Dragon is no more. Yeah, Is it Hong Kong I? Think they're a subsidiary? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. I'll keep flying that one. You fucking give me no water even. It's so sad. Yeah. Annie, thanks for joining us as well. Yeah, we'll all go to the Patreon when we talk about swapping partners and stuff, all right?