Well, let me to tell you what you would have seen and heard. If we'll not do pleasants listening, if you're at lunch, or if you have no appetite, now is a good time to switch off the radio. An ancestor of mine maintained, if you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable elevation Russian banji out of it, you don't genera one who knows that I'm willis by the thousand years. I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is inside. I don't see any laughing dream. I feel
a laughing light now. I pray flock if we hear for angus to kail, if we care for assure to kail were some say the world will end, empire, some stay anie. From what I've tasted of desire, I hold of those that flavor fire. But if it had to perish twice, I think I know. I'm a hate to say that. For destruction I
say is also great and looks sufficed. This is history I possible. To start us off, I would like to bring up one of my favorite quotes from the classic film Jurassic Park from nineteen ninety three, and it is when Ian Malcolm played by Jeff Goblum, the Chaos Titian says, boy do I hate being right all the time, as the t Rex starts to recavoc And I feel like that is frequently something that you and I find ourselves saying,
especially when politics by assassination starts to read its ugly head. Oh yeah, and we're going to be talking about well the most important assassination now, but just remember that also Ryan mettal Boss was well survived in assassination attempt just yesterday. So assassinations everywhere, and and you know, being being right? Oh yeah, And also I have a bunch of assassinations in my head. It's
it's what it is these days, I suppose. I mean, it doesn't pay that well as it should, and people, maybe you should listen to us more. But I think people don't like to be as dire or maybe not cynical. But I think pessimistic is a better word. I think I don't. I don't consider that pessimistic. I consider that to be just just you know, just you have to know the reality and accept it as it is before you get to solve any issues, Otherwise you end up solving the
wrong issues, not as the actual problem, which is a thing. But oh boy, we're in just a hint. I'm strictly forbade for forbade the Alex for reading the article. Yeah, this is new to me. So yeah, we can uh edge right into this because I'd be actually shocked, first of all, if anyone listening doesn't know what we're talking about. Obviously, President, former president possibly next President Donald Trump survived an assassination attempt.
Uh, so obviously we have to talk about it, and uh, someone else had to talk about it. And it was kind of it was it was it was it was the Nash, it was the it was our our like for for me, you know, I'm a goodkin person. But when it comes when when I meet Alex and we have no choice, we must
discuss Dugan dog Dougan, Kanye West is our man. Yeah, well legitimate quote he said that Kanye West is ideological hours because whatever, however, and this and this, by the way, is our second attempt at the recording of this, because our first attempt went kind of nowhere, yep, and it was mired by technological issues that I think actually were a blessing in disguise. I think we're more focused now and not just sort of like seat of
our pants recording, which sometimes is great. It's it's four thirty eight am in the morning. I've been off all night because of it. But yeah, here we go, because in the meantime while we were just you know, pausing and everything. It just gets published in English. I'll starred by where it's published. It's published on a place called Arctos, of which I
do nothing about. It was translated by one one Constantine fond Hoffmeista. I don't know that guy, but I do know about Arctos because arc Dose was It featured heavily, or I shouldn't say heavily, but it featured prominently in uh my favorite book ever, one of my favorite books ever by Ben Titelbaund War for Eternity. It was this publishing house founded back in nine in India. But it was founded by a Swedish businessman named Daniel Freeberg. He was
a associated with white power music in Sweden at the time. And the company has like moved around. I'm just looking at the Wikipedia right now. It looks like it was in Sweden for a while. Then it was in Hungry and I'm not sure where it is now. But it's sort of like you could call it like the publishing house of the alt right, to use kind of a dated term at this point, though, I think it's mostly famous for just putting out far right literature, not like literary fiction, but just
literature. And most significantly it is the publishing house that translates Alexander Dugan's work and gets it put out to the West, which is why when Tucker Carlson and his infinite wisdom said nobody's allowed to read Alexander Dugan, nobody translates his work, It's like, yes it does, Yes, they do, Tucker across and is mentioned in this article. Oh okay, so well we'll get
to more serious stoppages that the previous conversation was like an our grim. So this this is where we we've prepared, and yeah, here we go. I'll start because there are five paragraphs about of equal length, so I'll just I'll just read and then we can discuss this. And what is the title of this? The globalists this but at the move to kill Trump? Because yeah, of course it was the globalists, not a twenty year old redditor. And we are and we are not like absolutely we're starting strong here.
The assassination attempt on Trump was quite predictable. That is objectively true. You know what, you know what this is. It's Pete Dugan. He starts off, and you're like, okay, I'm listening. You have you say something very simple, very good starting out. But you and I both know where this is gonna go. I believe you use an analogy when we first talked about doin. He'll be It'll be a clown dancing on the ceiling by the end of this. And then we don't have to wait far. We
have to wait until the second sentence. There is no doubt that everything was organized by the globalist with the support of that part of the deep state that bakstam. The only way to keep the demeanor the men to our grandfather and power is to kill Trump, who would almost certainly win under the current circumstances. The shoot that was immediately taken out by Secret Service snipers to cover the tracks. Essentially, there was an attempt at a coup in the United States.
How you like them apples It sounds like an Oliver Stone movie. Wow, he does not waste any time. Like I said it the very first sentence very reasonable in a vacuum. Then the vacuum is removed and we know what he's actually saying. Oh my lord, okay, well he is saying the quiet part out loud for a lot of people, I think, who
are assuming this. Like I said in our boarded recording, I've already seen plenty of people on the right, or at least I should say identifying as right wing on Twitter saying things along those lines, saying that oh, this was you know, done by Biden essentially, which is almost as crazy as the people on the left saying oh this was all staged, which is still happening online, like people are still saying this stuff, which of course they
are because it's the Internet and we're probably gonna be stuck with this and far far worse down the line. But Dugan got to give him credit getting out in front of it. He's the first one. He's going to be able to be the hipster in the room and say, ha, you guys are
talking about conspiracy. I started that conspiracy theory. And he he goes, he goes on strong Man, the head of Ukraine's main intelligence directorate, Buddanov, recognized as a terrorist in Russia, openly admits that Ukrainian sabotage groups have repeatedly attended terrorist attacks against Putin. Yes, in Slovakia, there was an attempt to eliminate Prime Minister Fico opposes the support of the Nazi hunt and Kiev. He's still going with the Nazi stuff. Yeah, because I was gonna
say, even Putin stopped doing that. In the Tucker Carlson conversation, he basically just abandoned the Nazis in Ukraine pretense. Well, do you know, not everyone can be as informed in shape all the time. I mean doing a break. Okay, okay, okay, wait he talked to He talked to Tucker Carlson a week later. Potato, potato, come on, okay, okay, let's continue here. Yeah. Now, there has been an attempt on Donald Trump, who incidentally is highly critical of Zelenskin his regime.
This is the true face of the hedgem on the and the unipolar world. Anyone who opposes globalism and stands in the way is first demonized through cancel culture tools and then physically eliminated. Murderers and terrorists, criminals and perpetrators of genocide who served the globalists are portrayed as freedom fighters and and he uses air quotes
here innocent victims. Kiev propaganda will surely claim that Trump Schultz himself in the ear and the globalist media, which is built on citecal and cold blooded lies, will imply something similar. Uh. He he hasn't, He hasn't seen like Bien and people just that right, Yeah, that he's talking about the very fringe elements of the left in that sense, who are saying that.
There are people saying that, individuals are saying that. Sure, I'm just trying to do this for the sake of argument that there is a certain nugget of truth that cancel culture and elimination are part of the same sort of continuum. I've made that argument myself. I mean, I've said that about you, is that you were a victim of cancel culture and its most extreme though
it was from people who probably loved Dugan, which is quite ironic. But again, it's just the whole thing with Dugan is that he'll say something that is like maybe like one percent truth, and then the rest of it is just like this elaborate scheme. And also this seems very I mean, we're
only two pair graphs in but this seems very simplistic. It doesn't seem like it's kind of like that Tucker Carlson interview where he wrote this more for he like dumbed it down is what it feels like, Like it's dumbed down for a Western audience. Now, maybe that's just what his writing's like in Russian and it's just well translated, but it just seems kind of stupid at this point. Meanwhile, my buddy you Robert, who's sitting here watching watching football,
just both did the two K Government Advisor Awards. Assassination attempts becoming more likely. Yeah, you know, we've been saying that for fucking two years. Now, come on, look, we deserve some credit here on this one, Okay, like like objectively, but but carrying on with with mister Dogan, because uh, this is this is just just the beginning of all this nonsense. Oh boy, okay, uh, just just just a little little quiz here, whom do you like, whom do you think is going
to be the ultimate responsible person for this? Well? I okay, so first off the top of my head, gas would be Joe Biden. Oh you're hitted that that's that's like, that's like rookie style. Rookie I know, okay, let me let me, let me get a little let me, let me, let me get a second guess. Let me get a second guess. Uh, Klaus Schwab No Biden. Biden is like the fourth spot. There is no doubt that there is no doubt whatsoever. Okay,
Yeah, no doubt about the responsibility for the attempted assassination of Trump. The leading candidate in the United States presidential race lies with the group around Obama, Blincoln, Hillary Clinton, and the utterly senile Biden, who has warned that freedom is above democracy, meaning the moocus in its laws are now suspended in
the name of freedom to continue ruling one can even kill. Liberalism is finally becoming totalitarian, with all of the companying characteristic features up to and including the first, including the direct assassination the undesirable politician. Of course, Biden said none of those things. But you know, let us let us not get let us not get reality involved in this situation, right, I mean, to be fair, I don't think. Yeah, Biden hadn't made his comments
yet when he wrote this, But you know that that's convenient. But I bet you didn't expect Obama to to get involved so quickly. Honestly, I'm not surprised, and I think it's partly because Obama did kind of insert himself into the public conversation again after the disastrous first debate. Now I'm I'm not giving duking credit. I'm just saying that Obama is in the conversation here. That's why I think this is more directed at a Western audience, not a
Russian one. I have always wanted to say this, so, so allow allow me the pleasure please, thanks so Obama. Oh man, I missed the days when we got to say things like thanks Obama, Thanks Bush, and it was just that simple. But now like people actually want you to say things like that, or they expect do you do at least I don't know. I had never used this, used this saying before. Yeah, so I can. I can now feel a little bit more awkward. Oh
boy. Then then then then then he starts the the part which I would call non dumbing down. He sounds remotely like an actual philosopher in a way. Is Oh he uses the word architecture in an abstract way. Yeah that's true. Yeah, yeah, this is this is this is where this is where he gets to gets to play the smart kid. But not not for not for very long though, because you'll see the architecture of power in the world is now fundamentally changing from the sole dominance of the West to multiple poles,
at least three Polish people. That is way this This is multipolarity. Sorry, so let's stop from now on. Multipolarity is three three or more poles in a room that they're all saying, uh courva and drinking vodka. Obviously, and then the next phrase, just if you'll allow me here for a second, Trump represents the US as one of the poles. I didn't realize Trump was from Chicago. Sorry, that's my dumb joke for the for the night. Trump represents the United States as one of the poles, all
by the strongest and most influential. He owns a cars. It's a total jaloppi off. A multipolar world. Globalists care little about the United States as they do about everyone else. They need planetary power, the absolute power of transnational capital power. Yeah, what does he think that? Does he think the world is structured around like Emperor Palpatine? Like what is Yes, that's the main thing. They always think. Conspiracies all countries, including American Europe.
Neither America nor europe countries. But again, don't don't think about It's fine, don't think too hard. Yeah, it's like bad are just tools in the creation of the world government. Trump stands for America and against the world government. Putin stands for Russia, Jiji Ping for China, Modi for India, and urban Fico Lapen and the AfD for Europe. Now we know, now we know. Let me see. A multipolar world is a system
where multiple sovereign nations hold power. In contrast, the globalists seek to dominate the entire planet. They gain significant control with the dissolution of Warsaw, backed in the collapse of the Soviet Union, and we're back to talking about the USSR. A maze balls now as their grip on power weakens, they're desperately trying to hold on. The globalists have finally moved to the tactic of direct terror. This is a phato complete, not a series of random coincidences.
It is time to strike back at the globalist network. Right, Okay, okay, it's not a series of random coincidences. Okay, sounds good. That's that sounds like the cry of desperation from a very scared man. Look well, well look and now we know I guess excuse me, why did he not bring up Kanye again? Kanye stands for America obviously, at least according to him. By his man, Kanye is probably the only ones still standing for true America. I presume what okay, I just I presume okay,
right, right right? But what confuses me is, like it doesn't confuse me. It's just really funny that like he literally creates a list of boogeymen, like he is being cartoonish and like he's saying he's like praising Putin, Shijin ping Mody orbon fico marine la penn and the freaking AfD as in the political party that might get banned in Germany because it's a little too Nazi esque, Like it's cartoonishly evil to the point where it's like, are you're
just doing the thing? You're doing the like you know, triggering, you know, owning the libs thing, triggering and owning the libs, Like that's what that's for, Like like yes, Putin and she will say or I'll use what my father in law says, mister she like Putin and she have met, but they they have completely different agendas. Mister she does not care about this. I have a thing here. He did not mention the greatest ally that that basically Russian now has. Where is Where is Kim? Yeah?
Where's mister Kim? Yeah? Where's little rocket Man? Come on? Seems kind of lame to be like leave mouth like that, come on, kind of jack like a jackass? Move or excuse me? Where's Iran? And you know what? Where is Palestine? Where are the Palestinians in this? This is very very mean of him, very inconsiderate it. You know, I for one am going to write a sternly worded letter to Arctos Publishing.
Oh boy, but now, but now now we get to to to your to our surprise guest, in all this situation, yes, talk heer Carlson told me in a conversation in Moscow, the Trump seriously fears being killed by globalists. Talker Carlson, you have admittedly told Dugan that Trump seriously fears being killed by globalists. That's the thing out now you know you're an American. You can ask him. It turns out he could good reason. The more senile Joe descends into dementia. The more likely it is that they will
start killing Trump, start killing him. Like, where are they going to finish killing him? What are they talking to? People have died and that are injured. God, save America in all humanity from this criminal gang of libertals and globalists. If we do not stop them now, they will destroy us all. And then then there's link to Dugan's books. Yeah, in all like in ass if like bold text. Alexander Dugan's books can be purchased here And I clicked on it just to see and yeah, they actually have.
There's a lot. Again, why is Tucker Carlson such an idiot or dishonest when he talks about how you can't buy these books? Yes you can. I am looking at the storefront right now, Tucker. The only thing you can't get is the Fourth Political Theory because it's not out yet. It needs to be pre ordered. Okay, Uh you know what I I do actually believe that Tucker Carlson at least believes that Trump seriously fears being killed by
globalists. I think Trump fears being killed. He might call them globalists. I don't think he really cares, though. I think that's that's just giving too much ideological credit to a man like Donald Trump. I mean to be frank, we just read, we literally read in full Dugan's article where I
don't I don't think we count as reasonable people. But but what one thing, the one thing that this is interesting to compare is that you know what Peskov said the official Kremlin's position here, because he gave an interview to Intel Fox and gave speech from his position there, and he said, quote, we do not think and do not believe that the attempt to eliminate presidential candidate
Trump was organized by the current government. But the atmosphere that was created by this administration due to the political struggle, the atmosphere around Canada that Trump provoked, what the Medica is facing today. The United States political system is such that it has repeatedly history presented the world with an example of violence within the
country during political struggles. The current administration style of work is such that they prefer to resolve all issues from a position of strength, including in world affairs. No one ever tries to see compromises now and essays the violence has been transferred inside the country, and he added that Russia has always condemned and condemned any manifestations of violence, of violence in the course of political struggle. Finally,
Bumpings, I'll let this say. I was gonna say, the list goes on for hundreds of years, and he says, we expressed our condolences to the family of the person killed in this attack, with sympathize, sympathize, the wish to speed recovery, told those injured. And then there's a nice little added sentence there in the whole article original one that goes like this. He added that Puttin has no plans to call Donald Trump after the assassination.
I just you know, what's really funny is that after reading that, I mean, because you had told me about this reaction earlier today in our aborted attempt at you know, making this conversation happen, and that sounds so
much more sane now after having just read Dugan's little essay. But in a way, you know, it's kind of similar to Dugan's position, like, yeah, he spokes be administration's style of administration, style of work and all this all stuff, which is why Biden came out like in between this with a speech that was basically platitudes, nothing, nothing important, but he really mentioned the biggest thing was and we saw it because we wanted to watch called
Palmatic a final game, and they just in a stream, they just interrupted this and started showing Biden. But the goal is, like the Thematic has to be united and that all the problems are sold with the ballot box, and like he really kind of made the message about unity and something which was interesting, really well. And it's something that you know I've mentioned and I
do have thoughts on that I'm still sort of working with. But I do think that there's a certain moral I don't want to say monstrousness because it's a little too strong, but I do have a bit of like ethical discuss with a lot of the people. And I'm not saying Biden's doing this, even though he did play a part, but I do have a bit of ethical discuss the lot of the people who used existential terminology. Actually Biden was included
in that too, they all. I mean, I don't know how much responsibility I described to him, but I do have an issue with people putting politics, especially a presidential election or a presidential candidate in such existential terms where he is a fascist, a monster, somebody who hates groups of people, so on and so forth, like as if those things are what motivates him.
And I'm not saying they do or don't. I'm just saying that when you put things in those terms over and over and over again and then say something along the lines of, well, political violence is never okay, Well you did put things in existential terms. Now, I don't believe that rhetoric causes behavior. I think this twenty year old kid was going to do something, and he maybe was influenced in some way or another, but he was
going to do something anyway. And I find this idea of trying to like play the like sort of like you know, I guess apologetic like a gracious kind of magnanimous kind of person or candidate is just kind of silly right now, Like if you really meant it, you would actually make some comment about how we've been doing politics wrong and even and you can even make maybe make a jab at Trump and say like, well, he was doing things differently
and we thought we could be more like him to like maybe achieve something, and it didn't work, and this is what's happened. Like just take the symbolic responsibility and you're going to win over a lot of people. But obviously that is asking probably too much. And anyway, I'll let you respond to that. No, no, no, I will I respond to that.
I just wanted to maybe, you know, explain to people why we're legis say, not extreme fans of mister Dougan, because I also also just just saying, I also discovered found out about his you know, his telegram stuff. Because if you think, if you think that he's only writing in in this this format where he just boasts stuff and then he gets like famous people translated. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, that's that's not the case at all, because and we'll read that one.
Now there's another post made to him earlier on his private telegram channel where he's slightly different. And see if you see, if you can spot the thing. The assassination attempt on Donald Trump is a revenge attempt by retreating liberal forces, the same stuff saying stuff. The nearly two hundred and fifty year history of the United States is peppard with terror both against and by the top leadership.
Oh yeah, he's mentioned for presidents have a necessity in office, Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, and Kennedy. Then he speaks about how number of assassinations that are unable to enable to count and everything and everything, everything and and But his main point here, because I'm not going to read his paraphrasation stuff, is like quote, tta are against its own citizens, Indians, Negroes, Chinese communists, conservatives, there are against other countries, a huge
list for Mexico, the Russia, and the constant count tenor against the leadership. Basically, Dugan just says that you know this is this is far far
the course for because apparently the United States are y'all terrorists. Okay, so I'm gonna drop some history in here because this is a sort of joint history podcast, and I'm glad you brought this up because apparently Dugan doesn't know why most of our presidents have been assassinated, which is for typically pretty hyper specific reasons and has nothing to do with these grand theories of history or of American presence overseas or a I'm sorry, a multipolar world being forced into a unipolar
It would be enough if you had just said Dugan doesn't know, well, this is true, but I need to demonstrate this because it is worth mentioning why the first major assassination after Lincoln, because that was actually I think pretty significant to the background of like what was going on. It was a civil war related we literally just had a civil war. That is probably the least surprising assassination that we've ever had, but the assassination of James Garfield. You
know why he was assassinated? Like who assassinated him and why? Nope, no idea. It was a man named Charles J. Guiteau, I think I got his name right there. And he shot the president, shot President Garfield and took him eleven weeks to die of an infection specifically, and he was assessed during his trial and his autopsy, and it was revealed that he was mentally unbalanced because he had neurosyphilis as in stage four syphilis, I believe
was what the stage is. And the reason that he gave for shooting Garfield. Was it because of a you know, the Gilded Age? Was it a the rise of a globalist elite crushing the little guy? Was it a socialist revolution? Anything like? No, No, I would say yes to all of them. Yeah, sure, sure, except no, it was because Guitau was mad that Garfield didn't make him the ambassador to France. I mean, I mean, that's a valid reason to be mad someone sure,
sure, but was he even up for up for it? I actually don't know. But the point is it's a little much. And you could make the point that McKinley, the second third rather president was assassinated, was killed for a larger reason because he was killed by an anarchist. But at the end of the day, that's for a pretty niche political reason. And at the time it had to do a lot more with you know, how progressive presidents were treating I would imagine union workers and so forth, and you know
JFK. We have a basically a communist who decided he didn't like JFK and shot him. Putting aside the fun conspiracy theory that we can play around with, these people are being killed by individuals who have hyper specific motivations, and I don't think that this new thing is going to be any different and it and my point ultimately is that it doesn't really matter. Like we can talk about what the actual motivations are, but people have already made up with their
mind what the assassination attempt was about. It was either I mean, we don't really know what it's going to be in terms of the I guess we could call it the globalist mainstream opinion. I don't think we know what the narrative there is going to be yet, but we already know what, you know, Trump fans and Trump defenders believe, which is that this is just It's what Dugan said. It's just it's part of this ongoing attempt to eliminate
Trump from being able to be president of the United States. It's just it's
par for the course for these people. They're even less surprised than you and I are that this happened because they've already built up in their minds that they quote unquote the capital T they will do whatever they can to get rid of this guy, and no matter what anyone says, they'll never change their mind about that, because there's been very little meaningful effort to repudiate that, especially given that there were instances as time has gone on, of basically trying to
railroad Trump in terms of the legal process, however deserve it it might be. I'm just saying that you're going to do these things, You're going to create a perception, and that perception is going to become a narrative and then it just gets intensified and solidified as time goes on, because that's just how people are. So yeah, that's sort of my take on this. I guess they didn't expect to make it the whole take, but that's really what my take is on this at this point. I mean, yeah, and
I really, I really feel like this is just causing more chaos. And as I was going through this, I really watched through what all the channels were saying, you know, that's what I do, and everyone's just super neutral and this neutral attitude from everyone except do again. But Duggan's a lovely
special case. Uh But but like I think, I think this really shows that they, even even Premlin is now a bit freaky freaked out since you know, there's also the other side, which definitely Secret Services might be looking into because the Russia is known to also do assassinations from their old political goals and meddling with stuff and the weirdness what I what I really wanted to kind of point out here, which which by the way, in a previous conversation
I mentioned this and the idea was kind of stunning to you about PTSD, about PTSD and and Trump and I don't know, he's like, what nearly eighty or how in his seventies. Yeah, I don't, I can, I'll double check that for you. But yeah, see talking as a person who legit has PDSD and is dealing with it through therapy and and my god, my wife has been through a lot, there's a lot of a lot
of trauma coming from that stuff. It's definitely definitely not anything that you would want to want to go through like there are, for example, there's as various different shape diffreation, but basically depends on how jousteditary thing you are and what's happening with you. It's just never simple. But you can have like nightmares, you have trouble sleeping, you can be easily start a or fight frightened, you can get aggressive, you can get like random impulses, you
can just you can just be paranoid. Like for me, Like for me, what really struck me was remember when I was when I was back in the States, I went to the six Flags while well there was the tornado alarm, and the tornado alarm was exactly the same one as they use in Ukraine for like airds and bomb bomb size. Yeah, and I freaked out
like I I didn't didn't like. My first reaction was just to go and dock and cover and just get down, although that was quite okay, but you know, calm down a bit, and then they pushed me towards the right idea. But yeah, it happens because you can really just feel all the happening stuff. You can really feel stuff. It's just it sits in
your brain and doesn't let go unless you work with it. And it's hard for me, who's a trained professional in these cases, I don't exactly know how how Trump can can deal with this, and and it doesn't really And by the way, you know, to those of you who call him an absolute psychopath or sociopath, oh no, no, no, no, see those things, those things are related to you having an inflated ego of yourself. The problem is when yourself comes into trauma that turns into well, usually
stronger, stronger reactions. People tend to get more paranoid, like look at put In and put In and his you know, attitude towards basically put In and his I don't even know how to put this properly. How he uses the big table, right, you know, how how he just guards himself from everyone all the time. That that definitely also, you know, he's just drowing more paranoid by the day, and he might have issues when he gets selected, and he will have to see a therapist. And I'm not
sure how that's normalized. I don't know how much good it would do, but I and that what really struck me when you told me about that initially, just you brought this inside in, is that it provided a sort of like really important I think, context to what some people have been saying, and they've been saying it more from the context of like, oh, well, we should be afraid because you know he's gonna win and he's going to
crack down. There's going to be an authoritarian crackdown the likes of which we've never seen before, which to that, I'd say there would have been a crackdown if it was bite In up there. I mean, there'd be a crackdown no matter who, because it's the president in a post Patriot Act world almost getting assassinated. Like, I don't think people appreciate that things have been you know, primed for something like this and to get worse in terms of
authoritarianism for a very long time. But with that said, you fleshed out the context of really why Trump being president is actually kind of unnerving at this point. And it's because of that angle. And I, you know, dare I say it because you can? Can you be? Cause you call this cape it right exactly in the cases it's not something that you can just
you know, doopful. It leaves some scars. But then again again I mentioned Teddy Rosel before, but he had been through asthma, and he had been through like the war Spanish American one, right, and he's the more you are when he lost his the love of his life, he lost his
first wife. I mean, yeah, he had he had an unbelievably traumatic life and he was just a very tough person, I think, And a lot of the thing is the thing is you can work with it, and you can deal with this stuff, and right, well then it's recommended to you know, take long walks in nature, which is a way how to
deal with this stuff. Which did that? Yeah, yeah, And that's the whole, the whole stupid idea is that that I don't think Trump is anywhere near that level of mental I don't think I don't really think that Trump is even aware that this could be a thing. Right, That's what I was getting at, is that I that's what worries me, is that he's completely past being the kind of person who is self aware on that level, and that can produce, as you were essentially saying, some pretty chaotic results.
And that is what, in my opinion, actually further disqualifies him from being president. Like the sinility of Joe Biden, I would say precludes him from being president, and this and the potential for extreme PTSD from Donald Trump precludes him from being president. In it, I just don't think that we should, you know, have people in such fragile states leading things, not to mention being so old in both cases, Trump is seventy eight, by the way, way older than I thought for some reason. But yeah,
you add those factors in with the other ones, including PTSD. I yeah, I I that is what concerns me because it can result in, as you say, very paranoid behavior. Your comparison to Putin is very compelling in that sense too, and in terms of how it concerns me, like I putting the platitudes aside, like yeah, I don't want I don't like the idea of someone getting killed. Even though I don't really like Donald Trump very
much and I like and all the like wishing him full speedy recovery. Platitudes that we hear don't really get to the truth of what's going on here, which is that we are probably looking at someone who could very well be some form of the ticking time bomb. And that is concerning. But I suppose that's what that's what you get. I guess the trade off of democracy. I guess, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I mean, you got to pick someone as the president. Yeah, And sadly, we
do have a third party candidate. He doesn't really talk quite that well, but he yeah, Oh my god. I wish no, no, no, no, no. RFK Junior, who is I would say, in a totally different way, just as insane and unfit as both of the other candidates. But you know, we do have three people running, and he has pulled pretty well. I don't know the logistical details of how that'll work out. I believe someone already floated the idea of RFK Junior replacing Biden for
the Democrats, which would be very interesting. What happened to Bernie? Uh he just I think he I don't know. Okay, I'm just speculating. I just don't know what happened to him. Honestly, he just went away and he's around. He's still saying things. I actually haven't seen what he has said about this, but I'm sure it's more of the usual and that's fine whatever. But if you look at that guy, who's older than Biden
I believe, or maybe close to his age, still very sharp. You know, a debate with him and Trump would have been still two old men, but at least they would have both been all there. But I think Bernie might be I don't know, I'm making a pun burned out. I think he just, you know, after what happened in twenty sixteen, I'm
shocked that he tried to get in twenty twenty. But after that, like I wouldn't want to run again either, because it's very clear that there was a at least with twenty sixteen, it's clear there was a very big establishment push from the party to make sure he did not get the nomination, and that that strikes me as so demoralizing that it would be silly to even bother running again. But you know, I give him credit. He tried again. And he did. Okay, but I wouldn't, especially at his age,
I wouldn't want to try a third time at this point. I mean, even though he is beloved, but I think a lot of people have turned on him because he just can't win. And that's sort of a sad thing I've come to learn over the years is that no matter how much you might like somebody as a leader, if they're a loser, if they're you know, the perennial loser, that doesn't really endear you. Oh you mean you mean like the United States Soccer Federation. Oh okay, listen, listen,
you're on thin ice. I'd love to see you guys try to play some American football. Let's see how that goes over. No, no thing is no no, just that it's just you're kind a similar issue with with the Greg Berhalter and and all. That's how that happened there. Just it was actually a bit bit relevant there. That is like the weirdest thing because you know, you had sent me this article by Neil Ferguson. Oh yeah, but we're all Soviet now and I we might have to go back to
that. There's more to say, but it's it's a good one. We'll go and analyze this at some point because it's very long, yes, very very long. And I didn't feel like he understood the key was completely genuine about all this stuff, because there was some things that I could say that not exactly situations are not similar. However, one thing though about how you know, how how these old men are are basically dominating the political sphere.
That that was true though, and I feel like like that should be mentioned. But like in the Soviet Soviet data, the kind of all these we call them stat pie or old tharts. Yeah, And and the thing is the thing is that they were seen as necessarily there because they had taken part in theirlution. They revolutionary credentials, which meant that they had now you know, had now earned their place to finally be, you know, out there with with with others. You know, it was it was finally their turn
to to rule, I suppose. But but but but like you don't like no one in the Sudi, but like no one in the United States has been even remotely near anything related to American revolution, you know, right, And in the sense I also get from what little I know of late Soviet history is that it wasn't characterized by violent upheaval until the sort of transition away from the Soviet Union during the eighties, aside from the war in Afghanistan,
it was characterized at least in the West. So that's why you can probably correct me on this as just being a really tired old regime, like you're kind of saying here, and there wasn't like this sense of doom and gloom and everybody's saying that we're about to collapse. We have to do everything we can to prevent that from happening, which is sort of like the character I guess of American politics now that feels very different than the perception, at least
that I have of what Soviet politics were at that time. Maybe if he was making a comparison between like now in early nineties Russia, it might make a little more sense, But then so many of the other parallels fall apart at that point because that was like way more chaotic than what we have now. So I'm getting what you're saying is that it's an imperfect analogy, and
I'm yeah, I'm agreeing with you on that. I do really think though, that his perception as in Neil Ferguson's perception was much more informed by the optics and esthetics and tone and vibes. To you gen Z term of the debate between Trump and Biden, it was just this sort of tired, pathetic vibe that like kind of made me feel like from just watching clips of it, that like, what are we doing? Like this is like silly,
this is stupid? Why are we pretending that this is normal? And you know, I think this assassination attempt has totally upended those vibes in a lot of ways and replaced them with something else. But there is a sort of sense of malaise I think that was present there that I think was also present at least from the outside looking into the Soviet Union and the late, you
know, the later part of its life. And so I sympathize with the sense with the with the sort of pessimistic outlook, But I don't think it's very accurate. In that article, which people should read for themselves, it's on the Free Press and it's called We're all Soviets Now, and it's typical Neil Ferguson, It's very uh what did Joonah Goldberg call it? It like had like a sort of classic sort of I told you so vibe on it, which is just classic Ferguson. It's great, but in that sense,
But yeah, it's a pretty weak comparison. I think. I think we're in a very different state, especially now that an attempted assassination has occurred. But I want to ask you while I have you, was there sort of a sense of like identity crisis and urgency with the populace in the Soviet Union in the eighties, like in the late era that you know of, or was it like, was it very different? There was this I write a whole article about this when I explained a lot of this stuff. It's going
to be published to per soon. It's finally finally done. But it was a massive apathy. You felt like you couldn't do anything at all. There was no sense that something could ever change, and people were just too busy dealing with their own everyday stuff basically, And I think that's most Americans, you know. I think that's kind of how we are now in that sense. So I guess maybe there is a comparison in that sense, But there didn't. There wasn't like a threat of like surges of radicalism out there,
like we remember the Afghanistan war was going through all the time. Yeah, so there was that was there? But was there like an equivalent of Tianeman though square or the uh you know, the upheavals in Eastern Europe as communism collapsed, Like, well, dude, there was this. There was this thing called the Baltic Way. I hope you've heard of that one. I believe you have told me about it. But why didn't you remind me that was the big thing where we in the Baltics decided that you know, an
office and off and we built the massive human chain. Oh right, yes, and then you know, that's sort of how the juss are Well ended in a way. It was like saying you can't bully us. It was kind of like we were, yeah, we were getting a bit tired of all this bullying nonsense. You know, it's kind of silly after some point. Yeah, but just again again, I just don't What I don't get the most about this is that how do you even get to your candidates in
this in this way? Like what what? What? What do you what? What's what's going on here? Why? Why are we like this? What? What? What led to this? In the first place, because because you how how do you how do you pick all of your candidates? Why why did we end up with troum prunning against Biden in the first place.
That requires somebody more qualified than me to actually answer it. But I can give you sort of my pulling out of my ass answer that I think a lot of American politics is based on vibes and based on popularity polling, and uh, Americans being very resistant to unexpected change, and how much that has to do with larger factors is hard to say. You can make a sort of Marxist argument and say that it's about the stability of the market in
place and therefore the stability of the exploitation of the workers in place. But I don't think it's that simple, and that's too conspiratorial for my taste. I think that it has to do with just Americans being very yeah, there's no other word for it, very privileged. I think we like where we're at. We don't like things that upset that sense of balance, and we're
especially sensitive to imbalance. Now after both the War on well, it really started with nine to eleven, I'd say, though I would even argue it started with Columbine the first major school shooting, even though there's plenty of shootings before that, like mass shootings, but started with Columbine and then nine to eleven that created this sense of very dark urgency about forces trying to get us from the outside and forces trying to get us from the inside, and then
that's what we were always focusing on. And then we saw the boogeyman around every corner. And then the financial crisis happened in seven eight, right as the largest generation in history up until that point, as in my generation,
was getting out of college, so that created a lot more uncertainty. So I think you create this sense of urgency of fear and uncertainty over a very long period of time, especially during the most formative years of tens of millions of people, you're going to basically get people put in a position where they will crave as much certainty as possible, and certainty in stability are synonymous in that sense, so we're less likely to go for candidates that are new and
unproven or untested. I think people voted for Biden, for example, or I think he was nominated, but I think people also voted for him for the same reason which is okay. So Trump was weird to say the least. He caused a lot of chaos just by existing. Whether that's fair or
not is I think irrelevant because that's what happened. And I think because of that, that's how we landed with Biden, and because we have this tendency to try to keep things as stable and certain as possible, people didn't want to put their faith in you know, phonies like Ron DeSantis or Vivek Ramaswami. And I'm saying phony's in air quotes there. I mean, I do think they were kind of phony. I think Trump is much more genuine.
Find it I find it funny that you have a candidate's named the VVEC because that reminds me of video game. Yeah exactly. Vivick was interesting and compelling for about five seconds and then he just started trying to be a mini Trump and it was just depressing. But yeah, that's my point is that, like we had these new candidates, one of them, Vivek, was a millennial. That would have been really interesting. He's only like two years older
than me. And you know, with with Biden, it's like, well, he was the guy who beat the you know, the wild card before and now the wildcard's the only one left. Well, maybe we should stick with the guy that we're sure could beat him, instead of thinking about things from a sort of like dated ay perspon active. We had a chance, and I think the chance was missed a long time ago to replace Biden in
a way that isn't going to feel desperate empathetic. And I think it's because though, to go back to your original question, why do we have these candidates? Because I think Americans don't like instability as much as we are an unstable, chaotic wild west of a country. Like I think we we pride ourselves in this sense of stability. Whether it's real or not by the standards of other cultures, I don't know, but I'm saying that's what I think
people want. Stability. It's kind of it's always elusive, isn't it, because like stability is of any Russian term. I've always I've always been saying that that you guys are are way way closer to Eastern Europeans and than you are to Western Europeans because stabilis and the stability is why why O Pudent's going
on? He just says, but do you want it to be like in the nineties, all the time, all the heyoss, but sometimes you have to go through, you know, stop less like in the nineties and everything. And also also weirdly enough, is the fact that that, uh, this affects us as well. It's not just the United States, because for one, in Georgia, if you've heard about if you've heard how they had this their own like Russian law thing about foreign agents and everything massive produce there.
Well, the majority leader who ran all this all this stuff, he already is using the assassination for their own political motives and everything. Hmmm, well, can't say I'm surprised. Yeah, I mean, well I brought this up before we were recording that. I mean Americans are doing this too, like the ones who have pet causes that have nothing to do with what just happened, they'll make it about what just happened. And I sort of see that as like even though it is more you could make the argument it's
more directly right. But look, look, you'd recognize something, you would recognize something because I'm reading from from uh the Georgia, Georgia and the public broadcasting quote. His name is Mamuka midaa study, and he wrote quote in social media posts, shocking, outrageous, and alarming an attack on the presidential
and the killing him in a cornerstone country of democracy. Then he went on to the now as the attack as a tactic of what he termed the global war Party and liberal fascism characterized by political violence, assasination, attempt, subversive actions, and propaganda. Nothing to do with any of those things, I mean it. It has to do with the person who did it and why he wanted to do it, And we don't know why that is yet.
Maybe he will have a manifesto that says I am a global globalist liberal fascist and I and I need to stop Donald Trump from existing because you know that goes against my globalist liberal fascist plans. But it really seems to me that these people, you know, they're they're they're the auditory of Duggan, you know, like like this, this is this is the people. These are the kind of people from Dugan. Actually rights I suppose, mm hmm,
well it's it's again. It's it is that desire stability that the conspiracy theorist is not unhinged in the sense that they just believe in this swirl of chaos that you know can't be controlled. They believe in a very ordered world. Like that's the key thing about conspiracy theories. I don't think I've ever heard of conspiracy theory about things being completely chaotic and uncontrolled and everything is just randomized. Like I've never heard that. Now. I'd love to be pointed to
that, because'd be really interesting. But the common threat of conspiracy theories, and I'm not the first person to say this, this is a very unoriginal thought, is that it's all about putting this locus of control on the parts of existence that are out of our control. And I mean, why do you think flat earth actually some of people take seriously is because when you actually start thinking about the implications of being on a floating ball in space, that
is an insignificant spec in the greater galactic neighborhood. Basically, saying you have a flat earth is proof of a grand design that overrides that horrifying existential randomness. Oh well, look, look, look, look, I was bought in the Soviet Union. Doesn't be voted this solution existential nah, does not
concern me. Iut and enjoyed reading Lovecraft. It's fun. Yeah, well, yeah, And that's what I'm saying is like, I think Americans are kind of in a position where, like they crave stability because we're so privileged. We're in this state where even the slightest nudge feels like instability. But
this is stupid, because think about this, Think about this. Okay, Okay, I'm in a position where I go to all sorts of violent places, right, but right there's been plenty of weird stuff happening in the States. You should be used to this by now. I mean, I'm agreeing
with you. Here's the thing I agree with you. I'm just trying to explain what I think is going on through the heads of a lot of Americans because you know, granted, I'm coming from the place of somebody who also has dealt with crippling and existential anxiety for much of his life and has learned
to deal with it in various ways, some healthy, some not. And I really do think that a lot of people experience those same things, but their way of dealing with it they filter it through different like avenues, and now, especially with the decline of you know, religion and so forth, politics becomes a viable alternative, and that leads to conspiratorial thinking. And I think you know, but it's not even just about politics. It's about everyday
life. And again I think, like when you are hyper sensitive to change because so much has happened that's made things so uncertain, the slightest nudge, like I was saying, is going to make you feel like you're about to teeter over the edge of a cliff and looking for any kind of stability, whatever it might be. It doesn't matter if it has nothing to do with what's making you anxious or scared. You're looking for the anchor to grab onto.
That that's what it is. Will I will know. I will now appear extremely smart and culturally knowing to your listeners and my listeners as well. This reminds me of an episode because like, since we returned from Texas, we've been watching King of the Hell. Oh yes we really, we really enjoy that show with that because now we've seen a bunch of the cultural stop and everything. But there there was an episode there which was which I enjoyed thoroughly. It was all about why two Okay, why two? K?
Yeah? Wow you take me back? No, no, no, it was it was all about why do kay? And the whole thing. The idea was that like Hank was trying to calm everyone down, but it didn't really work out that well because you know, everyone around those Kim was hoarding and it was like a bunch of mess. And then he started doing his own weird things still because of this, because because he couldn't accept the fact that things could get more chaotic, so he had to like react to all
this stuff. I mean, and this is this is one of the things where where stoicism has really helped me in the store philosophy, the real one. Not not that Andrew t right, but stoic he does that he does and they fuck him. But the thing is, did you should like right now, the situation will be chaotic and weird, but always just learn to accept things as they are given and solve the real issues because because a lot of problems, a lot of problems happen when we try to solve the wrong
the wrong issues. Basically, Latian government, for example, trust to just ban everything all the time and look even even like even even in your private life. I mean. European policy though is like we don't like it, let's ban it, Whereas the Americans are like we don't like it, so we're just gonna complain about it non stuff. Yeah, but basically your idea
is that, you know, we like to pretend. Look, if you want to pretend that everything's fine and if you want stability, then by not accepting the fact that things are chaotic now not dealing with the real issues, you're just making it worse. I was talking to my brother in law about this recently because we're He didn't like the framing that he's heard people say, which is you're going to go through life and you're going to experience failure and
it's going to be and then you're gonna learn to deal with it. And I understand what he's saying, but what I explained to him was what that really means is like, the real takeaway is you're going to experience failure because failure is inevitable. No one is one hundred percent successful. It's literally never
happened. There's always going to be failure unless you well, yes that that that is the one that's that's that's just a stupid meme, but exactly a very it's I think that meme is so dated that it's actually classic now. I think it's I think it's acceptable. It's sort of like making Austin Powers references. Now, Uh, you can do that again. I think you can. I think Borat, it's a little soon. Got to give another couple of years and it will be twenty years and then we can do it
again. But my point is that you're going to experience failure no matter who you are, unless you're Truck Norris, throughout your life. The thing is, most of those failures are not going to be catastrophic. Most failures are actually pretty mundane and pretty mild that you can bounce back from them. And then the more you bounce back from the small failures, the better suited you're going to be for the large ones. Yeah, as rare as they are.
And sometimes you might never experience any large failure, but you probably will because you know, we all die. We sound like Joe Rogan, but better right now, I have to agree with you there, because for one, what else, what else are you gonna do? Like there, there's they're gonna be. There's gonna be bad stuff happening no matter what you kind
of avoid it. And the thing is, like I said, people just tend to worry about everything all at once, which is I think a wrong, wrong take, like when when I see that my wife's she's by the way, really tired because she's now getting just her work at the zoo and you know, with messy. But I tell people that all the time, like if you if you just sit and worry about what's what's gonna happen, then you're not going to solve anything. Nothing's gonna you know, move or
change. Just that you have to accept things as well as they are really and after that, after that you can like start to focus on, well, what's really an issue. You know. There's a great meme that I
saw up here on Instagram, but I think it's been on TikTok. It's all over the place, and it's of the great comedian Bill Burr and he was on I think he was on Tim Ferriss's podcast, and it's just like ten seconds long of him just saying, you're gonna be fine, and what's the point of worrying about not being fine when you can just focus on being you know, being here. Now it's better than I'm butchering it, and so I'll probably have to find it, maybe put it in in the episode
when we're done. Recording or something. But he's basically saying, what's the use of ruining right now worrying about not being fine, because you'll deal with it later when you're not fine. And I think that's the that is sort of like the from what I understand, that is sort of the stoic philosophy. Yeah, And the thing is, the thing is that a lot of people when they when you are in a weird position of stress and trouble around
you, a lot of people like this just sit down and worry. Meanwhile, you could be like splitting it up into tiny solvable problems and solving them
one by one, and you will be able to solve everything. But at least it's doing something that's productive because because because most part, most part what people are afraid of as sort of this inability to yield to cope with issues, because everything, because everything usually happens all at once, sin it seems so big and so audible, and I don't want to open up a can
of worms. But I also think that another reason a lot of Americans at least latch onto things like this, like existential threats to our polity that kind of thing, is because that doesn't really require you to take all that much responsibility because we all recognize that the health of the nation or you know, all that can't be fixed by one person. I think we all kind of know that. Yeah, but you also are pretty strong. I mean, like I said, that was in the previous one. I've lost that part.
But there was this pro z guy. Uh, I'll just try to find the name. Oh, I can't really get it. I think there was MIDVIDIAV. Not no relation to that ex president Atvejiev, but uh, all exanthan Dvegia, if I remember, and he wrote about how you know everything in the United States that not like having a haudible president is going to
destroy the United States. It's just impossible. So look, if pro Kremlin guys are doing like saying that, you know, they should be worried more because what if evil Americans right then just you'll be fine, You'll manage. I think so too. I mean, I don't have I don't harbor illusions as they say about things just being rosy. I think that we are in for more violence, just because I think it's a better bet to make.
But I don't think we're heading headlong into civil war because I don't think we can have a civil war like the one we had before because we're not neatly divided along territorial lines that way. Look, one important thing is also that you're not alone, right because because again we spoke about marcute and well I Marta, the new General Secretary of NATO, and my friend here you knows a lot about foreign foreign politics. He said that his nickname is Trump whisper.
People are we're preparing for this, We're preparing for possible Trump presidency and the well, everything that you know is likely to happen with us. With that, you mean, you're not running around with your heads cut off like a chicken and just being like, oh no, America is going to become a fascist dictatorship. You're actually thinking about this practically and pragmatically, like let's
deal with this as it comes and will worry about the implications later. If there are any dude, we not like we not like we in the you have any choice in the matter, really, like, what else are we supposed to do? Right? And that's okay? See, I guess maybe that's my attitude why people get mad at me, especially my more like I guess you could say typical normy democratic friends and family get mad at me for this, where they're like, how are you so sanguine? I'm like,
because it can't. You can do your best, but you can't do anything about it. Like just sometimes crappy people get elected into office. That's just what happens. It's always been that way. Do we think that Trump is uniquely bad in some grand two hundred and fifty year time scale. I'm not willing to say that because I don't know. I honestly do not know, and I'm not going to pretend like I know. And if I don't know, somebody who spends way too much time reading about history and weird, obscure
quarters of it, I don't think the average person knows either. I'm just gonna be that arrogant and just say it because I don't. That's what bothers me. I think so much about the existential framing that I brought up earlier. Huh, well, to see, Trump might might not be the best president ever, but you know it could be worse, like do what was his name? Don Quayle, can't spell potato? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean there's so many other scenarios that are worse. I
have a very good. I just remember a little solution thing here. Then we spoke about remember about the whole safety procedures From this, I think the Soviet man who saved the world up something but Chernobyl but Chernobyle about how the Soviet Union worked. See, Soviets saved time on safety measures in the sense that they would not they would not prepare for the stuff that was like super
likely to actually happen. Like they prepared for the stuff that happened ninety eight percent of the time, but did nothing for the stuff that would be, you know, out there one percent of the time. And the problem is the stuff that happened one percent of the time. Yeah, it also sometimes
happens. And I think that you guys were so just for some reason, so used to normalcy you sort of forgot that this lost one percent also can exist because I don't I don't see any reason why why you but you should totally be all doing gloom all the time. Okay, maybe maybe maybe maybe one reason maybe one one isn't. It's very hard to buy good Latvian beer in the United States unless you live in Chicago. I would I would assume
that it's probably true. Look, look and in a way. My last words here is going to be like a member of the time when the guy was who leaked like secret tag documents on war Thunder, this coord because he was like proving that it didn't. This is the same starting, this is the same stuff. Basically, it's it's exactly the same thing in a way. But yeah, he was also like no, no, no, you're
you're you're wrong. Let me let me prove it to you. Well he well he did, and then everyone was freaking out because wait, people just got confused. But that's that's how it is. That's that's normal, normal in the sense that you're gonna have to you you would have to deal with this anyway. So and this stuff it's weird and and and strange, but these things do happen sometimes. Mm hmm. Stop do be like that. Okay, stuff to be like that. And it's been like that in our
lifetimes. I mean, there have been assassination attempts altern in American history. That's that's kind of that's kind of my thing that you know, it's kind of like you notice when when people court like younger start throwing out me they were funny when you were like a kid that comes back a circle. But it happens like every time this happens. It's a shock and it's caught a ball. But just take any breath, take a look back, and remember
that this isn't the first time. This is literally you've got and now we know for assassinated the presidents. Mm hmm. This is just an attempt send him to a therapist to get better candidates. I don't know polarization has been this bad, if not worse before, it really has. The seventies come to mind, but you know, obviously the eighteen fifties and eighteen sixties. That's why I refer to, you know, the worst case scenario being members
of Congress assaulting each other on the floor. That's when you got to be worried because that was what happened before the last time we actually had a proper civil war here. Oh well, that was that was that was that was back then. I've seen I've seen people in Moldova and Parliament do that like a month ago. Well, I think that happiness is mandatory in this case, because it should be. I'd like it to be. So I'll let
you close us out by giving us that. And of course the trademark post Vidania shed Remember happiness is mandatory, And thank you Alex for having the talk and okay we got to and once again, once again, Dugan sneaks in everything. I think he'll sneak in every every single time. Thanks a lot, man. You gotta be fine even if you're not gonna be fine. Isn't it better to just exist thinking you're gonna be fine until it's not fine, and then when it's not fine, then you can just fucking handle it.
Then that's no sense of ruin right now, right