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Victory Lap- Nipsey Legacy | Tyler | Snoop & Dre | Complex Best Rappers from the A

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Ever wondered if the Olympics are missing the true spirit of breakdancing? Let’s get into the nitty-gritty of our daily grind, juggling work, family, and health, giving a special shoutout to our co-host AG enjoying some well-deserved family time. We kick things off with a passionate debate on the recent breakdancing competition at the Olympics, questioning the authenticity and representation of the event. We also tackle the impact of participant restrictions and emphasize the importance of keeping breakdancing's cultural essence intact in global competitions.

Could "Victory Lap" be the ultimate street guide to success? Join us as we dive deep into the legacies of Pusha T and Nipsey Hussle, comparing their monumental albums "Daytona" and "Victory Lap." We unravel the motivational undertones of Nipsey’s work, celebrating his profound impact on the West Coast scene and the hip-hop community at large. Shifting gears, we discuss the sky-high expectations around Dr. Dre's upcoming album "Missionary" and whether it can measure up to classics like "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle." Our conversation reveals the challenges Dre faces and the legacy he continues to build.

Is Andre 3000’s solo status overshadowing Big Boi? We cap off with a spirited critique of Atlanta's top MC rankings, advocating for the proper recognition of unsung heroes like Big Boi. We reflect on Andre's unique position in the GOAT conversation and the unfair imbalance in accolades within OutKast. From debating classic albums to anticipating Tyler, The Creator’s new work, and raving about the upcoming Alchemist and Big Sean collaboration, this episode is packed with insights, laughs, and lively hip-hop discussions. Join us as we dissect the evolving landscape of hip-hop and celebrate its influential figures.

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Breakdancing in Olympics Reactions

Speaker 1

Cool .

Speaker 2

Yo .

Speaker 1

We got an early one here today , kicking off early .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , yeah , we on , live Double Bear , we pulling up with the early one Early .

Speaker 1

Early show fellas Early show .

Speaker 2

Yeah , so I mean it's been a day what are you telling ? what are you telling how you feeling , though you feeling good you know I feel good for all the running around I've done today . I had to go to work , open up and to leave , take care of some family business , some personal business , get some business dealings in order .

Part of why we're doing this show early is I got to go back to work . I got to shut down . By the time I turn around and come back , it's going to be time to get up and make breakfast for my daughter in the morning and go and do it all again . But like you remember pinky in the brain , right , yeah , I'm trying to take over the world .

That's the process of trying to take over the world . You know , you just don't have days like this , but I feel good . I'm going to tell you what . I've been drinking this hydrogen water bottle and I really feel the difference . It takes like the chemicals and the acid and the impurities out of the water , so it makes all the water you drink good .

Yeah , yeah , I feel like energy-wise .

Speaker 1

I feel different . That's that pure water you get and that's wild man Getting that electrolyte smell .

Speaker 2

Yeah , so I actually do feel different on a day like this where it's like shit I done already been burning it for 12 hours straight . I'm about to do another nine , wow .

Speaker 1

I don't envy you another nine . Wow , I don't even you , bro . I've been up since three this morning , yeah .

Speaker 2

Yeah , by the time , by the time I'm wrapping it up , it's going to be eight hours from now and then I'll probably be in bed , but about nine hours from now , yeah .

Speaker 1

I can't wait to hit that bed . I was up since 3 am this morning . Yeah , I can't wait to hit that bed . I was up since 3 am this morning , central time Got my flight . My flight was at 5.30 this morning . Got home oh , you caught the first one , you caught the first thing . First thing I'm out of here .

First thing I got home , went to the gym real quick . Shouldn't have done that because I'm like hurting right now . I tried to do it , so I won't sit down and get idle and get ready for this , but all is well though . It's a blessing to still be able to move around , so I'm not going to complain , all is well .

Speaker 2

Good AG is not with us . Him and his family went scuba diving in the Missouri River .

Speaker 1

So that's Virginia shit . Yeah , I don't want to speak in your business without ag . I don't even know what they do out there . But shout out to the kid man , shout out to ag , shout out to his family man . They're trying to get some r&r over the next couple weeks , so I shout out to ag and everybody in west virginia west virginia politics is crazy .

Shout out to ag yeah , west virginia politics is crazy . Shout out to AG .

Speaker 2

West Virginia politics is crazy Because it's still like 1864 . That's why , so let's get to it .

Speaker 1

I want to ask you about the breakdancing competition From the Olympics , because people are going crazy On social media .

Speaker 2

I ? No , it's crazy . I wish you wouldn't ask me about it because it wasn't good to me . Did you like it ? Did you think it was good ? Did you find yourself like impressed ? Did you ? Did you find yourself immersed in the moment ? Not at all I didn't even watch it . Did you see some highlights ? Did you watch ?

Speaker 1

this is all I saw . I saw this and was like man it bugging . I thought it was a joke . When I saw her do this move right here , like the hidden tiger , crouching tiger , whatever move she's doing I thought it was a joke . I didn't realize she was . She was being serious and she won , so I was bugging because of that .

Speaker 2

So I think that we need to . I mean , it is an element of hip hop and so , culturally speaking , we need to help fix this problem . That's at hand , and so what I think needs to happen ? See , I'm not sure . See , here's the problem . Can you have a felony in performing the Olympics ? I'm just asking questions Can you have a felony , can you have an F ?

Can you go to the Olympics ? I think that might be the problem , you know ? Yeah , I think you can . Actually , I didn't see Philly , I didn't see 50 Down Baltimore , I didn't see no cats from there and there . You see no cats from there and there , Like you see no cats from there and there , chicago Coop , la .

Speaker 1

No , it ain't like that . I'm telling you , they actually got her . They did a petition just to get her out of there . She's telling people to leave her alone , but she did that move . I thought it was a meme . I thought people were joking . I was a meme , I thought people were joking , I didn't realize she actually did this move . I'm like what is that ?

That's not breakdancing . You know what I mean . Yo rest in peace , Shabba man . Shabba , he's trying to run his grave right now because of this nonsense . Man , what are we doing ? It's not even cultural appropriation , man . It's not even that . It's bigger than that . It's bigger , it's bigger , it's bigger than that .

Speaker 2

Well , that's well .

That's why I'm asking if you can actually like have some sort of record and make it , because it's like you know I mean real problem , yeah , was the talent , wasn't there , and that's because and that's because most of the dudes and and the ladies that do that well , they don't do it to do it on that type of stage for that type of accolade , and so it kind

of fundamentally goes through against some of the things People understand . Breakdancing used to be a real battle thing to keep people who had problems with each other from getting physical .

Speaker 1

Right , right , right . My uncle used to break dance against the barrels .

Speaker 2

Yeah , he'd be like yo , this chick trying to date my chick Diane . We about to .

Speaker 1

Right , right . My problem is he'd be killing it too . The women used to go crazy Light-skinned , good hair , light-browned eyes .

Speaker 2

Shout out to Danny Johnson . I'll be sure , I'll be sure , looking in .

Speaker 1

I'll be sure type of dude , and he used to kill it . He's like yo , your uncle out there doing spin on his head again Crazy . But the battle he used to battle . But this is not battling . This is crazy . But this is what they do in those other countries though . I was in Japan in 2000 . And I remember Shorty .

She started on , she was doing pop locking , and then she broke out into the robot and I just politely turned around and walked up the dance floor . She was doing pop locking , then went into , like the robot . I'm like yo , and this is , I'm 20 years old and she's doing pop lock to hey Poppy from Jay .

It was like yo , how do you do the pop lock in a robot to hey Poppy ? And she was killing it though . You know what I mean . So this is what they do over there , man they love our cultures .

Speaker 2

They do , they do . No , I get it , but I mean , you know , culturally speaking , that's why we need more representation . It's like this when the world cup happens , well , you know , brazil and Argentina and Germany and Spain and Italy , you like , you know , those teams are going to be there , right Cause , culturally , they're kind of like part of the fabric .

You know what I'm saying . So , yeah , so we need some actual representation . Bugs , what's up ? But I don't know if , well , I don't know if , you know , niggas is allowed to go , because part of the thing about having an F is that you can't internationally Unless you get a judge . I believe it's been a minute since I had to research this , Thank God .

But you have to get somebody to approve just for you to be able to leave if you got an F . That's why .

Speaker 1

I asked about it . They ain't going to go through all that just to go breakdancing . They ain't doing that just to go with that .

Speaker 2

That's what I'm saying . It's like I can breakdance on a nigga in little five points , like right now , like right now tonight .

Speaker 1

Right , right , they get more credit than that , yeah .

Speaker 2

Some niggas don't want to be niggas in pairs .

Speaker 1

So you know , we didn't have enough niggas in pairs .

Speaker 2

It's crazy .

Speaker 1

That's crazy , though that is crazy , but shout out to Shorty man , Like you know , I guess .

Speaker 2

But you want to know what I realize too . This is probably like how white people feel about Tiger Woods taking over golf , or Venus and Serena taking over tennis , or the fact that you know basketball was a sport . That sport that was created , you know , by a white guy for his white team , you know , kind of took over basketball too , like I know a lot of .

I know a lot of quote unquote affluent white men who like don't watch basketball . But I think it's because of the fabric of it , not even because I mean , but yeah , yo everybody's got a petition on her to give the trophies back .

Speaker 1

I mean these two . But yeah , yo real , everybody's got a petition on her To give the trophy back . But Let her keep it , man . Shout out to Shorty .

Speaker 2

I hope she can continue you hope she can dance in four years . You hope she can dance in four years .

Speaker 1

I hope she can dance in four years . I hope she can continue to inspire us that there's some foolery out there Like . Don't lose hope . I havenery out there , don't lose hope . I haven't lost hope , don't lose hope .

Speaker 2

Well , here's the other thing about it , and do say you're right about this . Well , tiger was actually great . You know what I'm saying . If you're going to take our shit you know what I'm saying Can it be great ? Do it at the highest level . At that point , I do want you to Elvis Presley , eminem me . You know what I'm saying .

Speaker 1

Yeah , Look I can't dance . I'm going to be honest , I'm not a dancer , so I'm not going to judge you . I don't dance . I tried to dance back in the 6th grade . You don't know how to .

Speaker 2

That don't take much . That don't take much .

Speaker 1

That don't . But see that inspired me , because now I think I can really go out and do that too . I'm inspired . I can't dance , Coop . The last time I tried to dance was in the sixth grade , and she walked away from me . She walked away from me . I was scorned . I was like I would never dance again , just like the song .

Speaker 2

I would never dance again . I'm no Michael Jackson or James Brown or Chris Brown or even Bobby Brown .

Speaker 1

You used to do the backhand . In the 90s you used to do that you did .

Speaker 2

I do a little something . How about this ? I told you me and my crew danced with Janet Jackson and her crew once you know what I'm saying , I can gig me and my crew danced with Janet Jackson and her crew once , like you know what I'm saying , so I can get it . But I don't confuse myself either .

It's like I'm not like that , like that , but it's like , yeah , that was bad , yeah that was my point .

Speaker 1

At the end of the day , it was bad If you look at it one more time and we move on , but just look at that Like I don't even know what that is . She don't know what that is . It's scary . I'm being honest . When I saw it I was frightened .

I was like yo , I hope she's okay , because it doesn't look right , it doesn't feel right , it doesn't seem right . You know what I mean , but I don't know . It's crazy man . I wish her the best of luck . She inspired me , someone who doesn't want to dance . She inspired me .

Speaker 2

What did she inspire you to do exactly Be ?

Speaker 1

fearless , fearless . You got to be fearless to get on a grand stage and do a move like that .

Speaker 2

You sound like somebody's parent right now . What I like about her is that she's fearless . I asked you how talented this nigga was .

Speaker 1

If I wasn't fearless , I would have tried to dance again back in sixth grade . I don't know what move I did , but when I did she just walked away . I was like damn , I ain't gonna do that no more . I ain't danced since then . That was sixth grade . I was like what ? 12 years ?

Speaker 2

You .

Speaker 1

I was like what you got ?

Speaker 2

to let it go .

Speaker 1

You need to talk to somebody about that , I think it's time that you move past those moments in your life . I need to . I need to . How good this song is cool . I'm just doing this right the whole time . Yeah , that's the whole song . But now she's fearless . So now I'm fearless .

Speaker 2

You want to know what the games are in LA in four years , correct ? Yes , it is . Yes , it is . So we should be all right with our representation . We should be .

Speaker 1

We should be . We should be , but there's going to be some foolery going on . You're going to see a bunch of others doing C-Walk . I've seen it . I've seen it on YouTube . I've seen some Asians like 30 of them doing a C-Walk . It's a challenge , a C-Walk challenge . They're killing it too , though .

Speaker 2

I mean , see , the real gangsters ain't going to care about that , because they're going to look at that and they're going to laugh . But there's one in every family . So it's like you don't do shit like that in Cali because there's one in every family . Yeah , absolutely . In Cali case usually two , three , four .

Speaker 1

Without a doubt , shout out to Cali . Speaking of Cali , nipsey birthday today . Bittersweet , man , bittersweet . I was listening to the joint today , manweet . I was listening to um , to the joint today , man .

I was listening to , uh , victory lap today and I'm like yo nip was on his way , man , like if he this was the momentum he was like really about to hit that stride . And um , unfortunate circumstances don't want to relive that , but unfortunate circumstances , man , just put up , put an end to that , bro . What are your thoughts , man ?

How do you feel about the Nipsey legacy ?

Speaker 2

I love Nip .

Nipsey Hussle's Legacy and Impact

Victory Lap came out the same year as Daytona , and everybody that knows me knows I'm a big Pusha T fan and I had a sincere conflict all year long , essentially deciding whether Daytona was better than Victory Lap . Victory Lap , in my opinion , is one of the 10 greatest projects of the last 10 years in rap .

In my opinion , I have Daytona on that list as well . I just listened to Victory Lap last week too , sean . It's , in the end , man Like part of the reason why I was debating whether it was better than Daytona . Well , it's almost double the length of Daytona and it's just as good , and in a lot of ways you could say better .

I'm probably more of a Pusha T fan , but I usually tend to sit those albums right next to each other , and so Victory Lap is a classic and he has dope projects before , and so what makes it so sad is that it was just really really about to happen for him Right .

It happened right when we were getting the best version of him business , wise music , making wise uh verse , wise album , wise connections , wise , it's . So that's the sad part about the moment , and I'm not saying this to take shade or take a jab at somebody else . Oh no , he was about to be the king of the coast , Like it was like that . It wasn't about .

No , yeah , that's the part of it that people don't understand is that ? No , he was about to be that guy as in , like the guys that came before him that had that title or name , you know Snoop , ice Cube , tupac , kendrick yeah , the guys that wear that crown , like you know what I'm saying , like you're in rare company .

When you can , can wear that crown in Cali . You know what I'm saying ? Yeah , short , short dog , for a minute , you know what I'm saying . So that's , that's rare air . He was about to step into that . He never got a chance to step into , and that's the sad part sad part because he was getting support .

Speaker 1

It was he was getting a lot of support it was happening .

Speaker 2

You felt the momentum like if you follow an artist you you watch not only musically how they change and how they grow , but you watch how the momentum changes too . And the momentum for Victory Lap was different than the momentum of his previous projects . It was , it was it was .

Speaker 1

It was You're right , and that's when I took notice . I took notice when Victory Lap came out , because I saw the energy behind it . I saw the ramp up , you know everything leading up to it . It was like , okay , this guy about to be out of here .

Like he's the way they're building him up at this point , the way they're supporting him , he's about to be out of here . And I got that from victory loud he was a better rapper too .

Speaker 2

That's what I mean . Like it was very , it was very life after death like , in the sense that it's like what he left us with was his best mic performance .

Speaker 1

Yeah , very deep introspection . Everything . All the other boxes were checked on that album .

Speaker 2

What I like about it and this is the part that people miss . It's very , it's very like Thug Motivation 101 . Likeone like to me ? I can see that good point it's very much like thug motivation one-on-one , except for at the time that nip is doing victory lap versus the time jeezy was doing one-on-one .

Well , nip had learned so much more of the game because he had been around the game so much and soaked the game so much and been independent for so long that the talk on Victory Lap is very street oriented .

But it's almost like a hustler's handbook guide to business to navigate through the rap entertainment entrepreneurial world in the streets and in the business world . And that's what I like about the album . It is in a lot of ways it's a street dude's business class in a sense .

You know , yeah , like , and I and I don't mean and I mean business like in terms of like how to make whatever your hustle is , work for you right from a caliber perspective , from a yeah . And so it is motivational to the streets that you can make it happen , very much like Thug Motivation 101 .

Like you know what I'm saying and it has that feel that a classic needs to have to be a classic , like it feels like a classic . That's why I tell people like a collection of great songs on one record doesn't necessarily make a classic , like it feels like a classic .

That's why I tell people like a collection of great songs on one record doesn't necessarily make a classic . No doubt because it's gotta feel that way . No doubt you can have a bunch of dope records and not have a classic album that's fair because if it don't feel that way , it's got to have a feeling , and victory lap's got a feeling to it .

It's like , yeah , it's beautiful , it's a moment and yeah , we , we lost a good one and it's . And also , too , it's mostly a solo mission . Nip was a dope solo artist like he could hold .

He could make a classic rap album with with very minimal help , like as far as on the mic , and so , exactly the fact that he had the West coast behind him , in my opinion , was like one of the most important things , because it was that camaraderie .

Speaker 1

They knew he was next one coming up . You know what I mean ? Yeah , that's the biggest thing for an artist like that , Someone who's from the hood , from the street , selling records at the back trunk , right , and now he was on his way .

Speaker 2

He's such a legend even in Cali that it's like you understand . Like Game done told his Nipsey story about how Nipsey rolled up . You know Game really gave Nip his first good look . Think about how many times we've just heard Game in the last two , three years remind us of that . No doubt A lot of people are like well , it's clout chasing .

But it's also like well , nip really had it like that , that he made an impression upon Game when Game was at his pinnacle and his peak musically and streetwise . You know what I'm saying .

Speaker 1

So , yeah , I like the motivation one , the motivation comparison . I like that more than life after death . I think that the motivation comparison is is spot on because of what Jeezy did for Atlanta during that time when it was needed .

And I think , if you think about Nipsey , when he came through with this one , I think it was during a time where it was a bridge because K-Dot was ramping up . You had , you know , game for lack of better words on the back half . Really , you know his momentum had already like slowed down a great deal , so game was already kind of solidified at that time .

That's who he was . You know what I mean , snoop solidified , that's who he is . I think this is more in lines of your point of felt motivation than anything else . Resting peace to the legend , man . Resting peace to the legend Still .

You know from what my guys in Cali always say they still mourn to this day , man , just because they think about what could have been , what could have been Not just for him but just everything around him , not just music but just influence , culture , all of those things Like what could have been .

Speaker 2

You know , lost another one , sean . You know what I'm saying . Unfortunately , unfortunately , it appears to be part of , you know , unfortunately , we lost another one , sean . You know what I'm saying .

Unfortunately , unfortunately , yeah , unfortunately , it appears to be part of , you know , unfortunately , it appears to be part of what comes with this part of the sport , the entertainment . You know what I'm saying . And really , at the end of the day , him not being here just really because people weren't happy about his success in the neighborhood and that's sad .

Speaker 1

No doubt , no doubt .

Speaker 2

No doubt in the neighborhood , and that's sad . No doubt , no doubt , no doubt , like whatever happened before . It's like man , like let that shit go like he .

Speaker 1

He's good for your community . It's crazy , man , that's . Those are the ones , though , man .

Speaker 2

They don't want to see that yeah , damn it like , yeah , like for real , like people really don't want to see like that , like we all talk that , talk man , but when it be trying time to like , live it . You know , you know very few of us .

Speaker 1

No , very few . Man , that's a trip . Man , that's a confidence . This is like the third week in a row Mad Max is bugging out , oh man .

Speaker 2

Mad Max .

Speaker 1

Yo , but let's keep it in the West , man , let's go to Dre . I told you last week man Dre was cooking up something , man , and now he made the announcement on an interview recently that he's about done with Missionary , with Snoop . So they got about 11 tracks that he already mastered . They got 16 total . He wanted to have at least 14 or 11 .

So he wanted to have , yeah , 14 . But he said Snoop wanted to have 16 . But he's 11 deep mastered . They're trying to have 14, . But he said Snoop wanted to have 16 . But he's 11 deep mastered . They're trying to have it done by November .

Speaker 2

First of all , he said mixed , not mastered . Let's get that clear .

Speaker 1

He said November . He said drop in November .

Speaker 2

First of all , a mix down for Dr Dre song might take two months . He said it needs to be turned in by September 1st , to be out by September 1st . Is that what he said ? Right , he said , that's what he said , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that's what he said .

Speaker 2

Hey , look here If he , if he says so OK , track record says I'll see you in April .

Speaker 1

Track record says I'll see you in April . Track record says I'll see you next spring when it starts to get hot again .

Speaker 2

We're going to go through a fall , we're going to go through a winter , then I'll see you in the spring . That's what his track record says . But if he's saying it , okay , much like when he says some of the best stuff I've made , that's what he ? Said I hate that . That's what he said .

Speaker 1

That's what he said .

Debating Dr. Dre's Latest Project

He got a joint known as Sting . I don't know how I feel about that .

Speaker 2

Sting the wrestler or the artist who's on here Like a Griselda track ? Tell me it's a Griselda track .

Speaker 1

Sting the artist . He was bragging about that . He said , yo , we got Sting on the track .

Speaker 2

Okay , let's just See , here's the problem , when he says well , this is some of my best stuff , yeah , you're the executive producer for the chronic and doggy style . No , it's not , that's what he said no , it's not .

Speaker 1

But I'm telling you that it is not . It's not . That's what he said , and you did the interview with Thunder Glove . Are those same people in the studio with him for Missionary ? I ?

Speaker 2

don't know . I should maybe reach out to Glove and see if he's actually been part of the process .

Speaker 1

You got to reach out , because if he has the same formula , or some of the people that was part of that formula , then maybe , maybe the sound is updated . You know what you're going to get from Dre sound wise , it's going to be crisp , it's going to be sharp . But I'm just curious on what direction they're going with this .

I don't want to hear a song with Snoop and Sting . I'll be honest with you , you know . I mean , I don't want to hear Sting singing on the hook on a missionary album . I don't want to hear Steve sneaking on a hook on a missionary album . I don't want to hear that , paul . That would be crazy , I mean he made .

Speaker 2

So this is what I mean . So when he's saying it's some of my best stuff , really because of the best stuff that he's made and that he's been involved in , it's hard to classify what that means . That's what I'm saying .

When he's saying some of my best stuff , do you mean the chronic doggy style straight out of Compton , or do you mean the aftermath I was actually going to say , do you mean the firm or the documentary , or even Get Rich or Die Trying it ? It's like what exactly would you qualify ? right as as some of your best stuff . And where does it fit into that ?

Because no one can do it better by the dlc . He did , um , he did a whole album for comp . He did comp , this most wanted best album in my opinion , like the entire album he did yeah so it's like in terms of your best stuff , it's like , well , we have about 10 , 11 , 12 murder was the case soundtrack .

We have like literally about 10 , 11 , 12 albums from you that we can go to and be like man , this is some of his best stuff on here .

So , because of that , when you're saying some of your best stuff , are we talking like the very , very top , which would be doggy style , the chronic straight out of compton like we're talking about , like you got some stuff like that on there , song-wise and cultural impact-wise , or are we talking more like the documentary ? You know what I'm saying . Is it 2001 ?

Speaker 1

Because a lot of people like 2001 more than the .

Speaker 2

Chronic you can put 2001 up there 2001 was a moment , yeah , 2001 . You're talking . No one can do it better in the documentary . Are you talking like that kind of good ? Are you talking like that kind of good ? Are you talking like Chronic Doggy style 2001 good , what kind of good are you talking about ?

Speaker 1

He also just did Casablanca .

Speaker 2

Very vague , very vague intentionally .

Speaker 1

I don't think it's intentional , kool . I think you really mean it . I think he's in a groove . He just did Casablanca , which was a phenomenal project with Marsha Casablanca which was a phenomenal project with Marcia Casablanca's a man , absolutely Easily . Easily . So he's in a groove . I don't think it's too far-fetched for him .

I want to understand the recipe right now . Like Mad Max with the super chest said , naming her LP missionary is wild . I get the theme , it is kind of wow , but it's a follow-up . He's they're also saying this is the follow-up to doggy style .

So now you put added pressure on on that , because would you consider doggy style a top 10 , top 20 album of all time , rap album of all time ?

Speaker 2

top five to to me . Damn you got a top five Illmatic .

Speaker 1

There's no skips on that album to me .

Speaker 2

Illmatic Cuban Links . It Takes a Nation of Millions . And then I would argue between Paid in Full or Doggystyle . So four or five , yeah , doggystyle is like that . Doggystyle is like that . I don't care what anybody .

Speaker 1

Five is high for me , but it checks every .

Speaker 2

It checks every . It does . Single box it does . That a classic rap album could touch it's not even . It very much might be the only classic rap album in that regard . That it's like oh no , name a box , it checks the box , it does . You want impact , you want culture , you want a movement . It literally gets perfect scores you want .

You want a mic performance . It's actually one of the best . Because you want to know why it's actually one of the best , because you want to know why , because it's not the best mic performance ever recorded on rap , but it's the most memorable mic performance ever because everybody knows the words to these songs , everybody .

Speaker 1

Everybody knows the words to these songs that are on Doggystyle . No matter where you are , who you're , where you from , you know the words Skits and all Everything checks . Everything is perfectly balanced on Dorgus .

Speaker 2

You want hit records ? Well , we got Gin and Juice . We got what's my Name , we got .

Speaker 1

Doggy Dog .

Speaker 2

World . You want street anthems . We got Ain't no Fun and serial killer and murder was the case . You want just some rap shit . We got the shiznit and lotty dotty . What is it that you want ? It's everything that's why . Paul Dixon . The lyrics are not weaker everybody wouldn't be saying the fucking words to them like they have since 1993 .

Don't know what you're talking about . Mixing the lyrics are not weak , or everybody wouldn't be saying the fucking words to them like they have since 1993 .

Speaker 1

Don't know what you're talking about . Don't know what you're talking about . That is crazy . Paul Yo Jed Sting is a legend , but I don't want to hear more missionary .

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That's for his legacy . I'm not saying that the Wilds don't want Sting , I'm just saying I don't want to hear Sting on a missionary album . Pause .

Speaker 2

Doggy Style is a first play classic . It is one of those type of classics that it is classic the first time you hear it .

Speaker 1

It's like oh that shit . That's why .

Speaker 2

The pressure was on him and he made that album . That's part of why I had it top five too . This is on the heels of the Chronic . When the Chronic came out , people thought that the Chronic might be the best rap album ever . How did he follow up with ? A lot of people thought it was the best rap album ever . This is 1992 , 1993 .

Like , there is no Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt Facts . You know what I'm saying ? There's no purple tape . There's no . It's dark and hell is hot . There's no moment of truth . There's no . Enter the Wu-Tang . Yet I mean kind of you know what I'm saying ? No , there is no enter the Wu-Tang yet . Yeah , there's not that shit . There's no ready to die .

Speaker 1

No .

Speaker 2

He's only fighting a few albums that have the best rap album of all time , and this come out star of that album . This is the follow-up . It's one of the best feats in rap history too .

Ain't nobody ever been under that type of pressure and made an album like that he created a whole new diction for hip-hop there used to be this white boy in my seventh grade class . Like the last class day I don't even remember what class it was , but every day he would be in the back of the class . This is in seventh grade .

He'd be like yo Coop , I'd be like what motherfucker . He'd be like I got five on the twenty sec . This punk ass white boy . That's what I'm saying like he had . But it was like . But it was like that , it was like that .

Speaker 1

You had to respect it . What Big say I'm trying to sell records like Snoop Oops . Everyone acknowledged it . Everyone acknowledged it , man .

Speaker 2

I mean what he did with the Chronic and Dirty style . Like back-to-back is like as far as on the mic in terms of memorable memorable like rap songs , just just for like , for that moment in time . It's the best moment in time any rapper's ever had . That's what I'm saying .

Like nobody said no , no rapper has had a chronic and doggy style type of moment like in , like a 20 month period of time , of making two albums like that , like no the carryover for Doggystyle was crazy because the carryover went all the way up to 96 .

Speaker 1

It was the carryover from year to year for that album . It was crazy , it was massive . It was massive , it changed a lot of things . It changed a lot of things . G-funk era it was the height of the West Coast .

Speaker 2

West Coast had no lock at that time . You got to keep it up . They had Ice Cube , tupac , snoop Dogg and Dr Dre Like yeah , lock and key .

Speaker 1

Lock and key . Lock and key Straight up Got to give respect and love where it's needed .

Speaker 2

I just hope that Realistically , what do you think this project is about to be ? Because if it's some of dr dre's best stuff , that makes it album of the year pretty easily . That's what I'm saying .

If dr dre is saying this is some of my best stuff , think about what we've heard this year it's like , oh well , that's album of the year because he's literally made probably 11 or 12 albums that are easily better than everything that we've heard this year .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

So if this is in that realm of music , in terms of his production , his executive production notice he said team of people involved yes , so if that's the case , it's album of the year , right , it's the . If it hits his level , if it hits his mark . That's what I'm saying Like , think about this .

Like his back end classics at this stage is in , like might be outside of his top five , and stuff like Niggas for Life , the documentary you know I'm saying no one can do it better that might be out of his top five , of his executive production and production jobs .

It's like when those aren't in your top five , maybe I don't think as much as I love the documentary , you think that's a top five . Dr Dre executive produced album .

Speaker 1

I think it's knocking on that door .

Speaker 2

It's knocking on the door , but is it inside the house ?

Speaker 1

There's one outside looking through the window .

Speaker 2

Yeah , Definitely window shopping , this is amazing . Definitely wants to sit down and have dinner with the family . Yeah , but is it better than straight out of Compton ?

Speaker 1

No .

Speaker 2

Get rich without trying . No Chr out of Compton .

Speaker 1

No , get Rich or Die Trying no .

Speaker 2

Chronic Doggy style .

Speaker 1

No no .

Speaker 2

You think it's better than Niggas for Life ? You think it's better than Niggas for Life , get Rich or Die .

Speaker 1

Trying it's not Boxing for a little while .

Speaker 2

You think it's , you think Niggas for Life is . You think it's better than Niggas for Life ? For me , yes , personally for me , okay .

Speaker 1

For me , better than 2001 , no , okay . So he's out the five .

Speaker 2

That's what I'm saying no , no , it doesn't look special .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that's what I mean .

Speaker 2

It's like , no , it might be right , there might be your six might be your be your seven , but yeah , when you have a rap album like that outside of your top five and you're saying it's some of your best stuff , it's like , oh , the documentary would be the runaway album of the year this year , Easy , no one can do it better .

By the DLC it would be the runaway rap album this year . Niggas for Life would be the runaway rap album If that's outside your top five . You know what I'm saying .

Speaker 1

That's what he's saying . We know Snoop can still rap . We know that .

Speaker 2

Okay , so Paul Dixon is in the chat saying Victory Lap is better than Doggy Style and we would have to block you on Nip's birthday . Where are you from ? We like Victory Lap .

Speaker 1

Don't do that when you're showing Nip love , don't do that . Where you from , you like victory laughing , don't do that .

Speaker 2

Don't do that when you're showing nip love . Don't do that . Don't do that . Show some class , have some grace . Yeah , don't do that .

Speaker 1

Where you from , paul . Don't do that . You know , coop . We know Snoop is still a rapper . We know he has Zedino , right . We know Drake is still a rap . We know he has it in him , right . We know Drake is still one of the best producers of all time . We know that . It's just a matter of can they catch lightning in a bottle ?

Again , straight up To me , chronic and Doggy Styles are catching lightning in the bottle . I don't even know . You can't duplicate that . You really can't . You can't duplicate that . You can't duplicate that . You really can't . You can't duplicate that . You can't have an offspring to that .

And again , I think that's why part of that is the reason why they never attempted , because that's a hard thing to pull off .

Speaker 2

It's a tough one , it's a tough one . We'll see More power to him . I'm hoping that it's everything that he says that it is and nothing like I'm thinking that it's going to be .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I don't like you said that , but I get it I think I want to say what I'm saying , yeah .

Speaker 2

Because when you were and we can slide after this to the next topic but when you were , them , like when you were these two guys your biggest challenge is you and what you've done . Facts , Specifically as it relates to you two Facts . Facts Like this is Rap's biggest and most favorite dynamic duo .

The only reason that this duo is not the best duo is because we don't have enough material , but the material we do have is better than everybody else's material . And you're right , coop , and you know what . That includes Ray and Ghost . That includes Kissing Styles . That includes Meth and Red .

It's like no Snoop and Dre's best stuff as a duo beats everybody else's best stuff . Everybody's , everybody , yeah , all of yous . I'm talking to all of yous .

Speaker 1

You can't drop an album . That's a lesser pedigree than what Common just did with Pete and what Elders about Dewey Till if you are a snoot and dream .

Speaker 2

If they make an album like the Auditorium , it's going to be hell to pay in these streets . It can't be that . That's what I'm saying . They can't make an album like that . I don't think so . It can't be that .

Speaker 1

It better not like that . I don't think so . It can't be that . It can't be that . It better not be that . Yeah , it can't be , it can't be .

Speaker 2

It better not be that . That's what I'm saying . So where do we have the auditorium on our album of the year ? That's what I'm saying . So right now I'm looking at it . If this album's coming out this year , okay , that's your album of the year .

I give J Cole a pass about Dre and Snoop making something that's Dre and Snoop level , because Dre and Snoop's 80% it's better than 98% of y'all .

Speaker 1

Yeah , when they're locked in . That's what I mean Based on what we got from them . My preference will always be , that's what I mean , based on what we got from them . Now , my preference will always be on the bill for Cuban Link . You know what

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I mean . Ray and Ghost all day for me , but if I can speak objectively , it would be what these guys can smoke the ink of Chronic and Doggy style .

Speaker 2

So here's and I would agree with you . So , even for what I'm saying about Dre and Snoop and the Chronic and Doggy style , I think the Purple Tape is better than the Chronic and Doggy style . That's just me personally . I think it's a half step better than Doggy style .

I think it's about a step better than the Chronic and I actually think that the difference is actually about the production , but that's because I think Purple Tape might be the best production job ever . About the production , but that's because I think Purple Tape might be the best production job ever .

Just talking about beats on an album in a vacuum and the sequence in which those beats play and how he sews shit together on there and the skits and where the skits are placed , like no , Production-wise as far as beats , executive production and sequencing of an album that producers are usually responsible for .

I think it might be reps Reps manifesto , and that's part of why I hold RZA so high . But here's the thing about the chronic and doggy style . The purple tape only cancels out one of those . It doesn't cancel out two , because what's Dre and Snoop essentially had is to West Coast purple tapes on their hand . They do put the chronic and doggygy style out .

They're that collaborative effort . That's what I'm saying . So Iron man is not cool . No , I love Iron man . The cover alone wins . The cover alone wins . I love the cover . It might be my favorite Wu-Tang solo artist . The cover alone wins for me .

Man , Okay , I know you're a ghost fan , but I'm going to have to hit you with some hard truths today when we're talking about the Chronic and Doggy style and the purple tape . I am not in that conversation of classic rap .

Speaker 1

It's not in that combo .

Speaker 2

That's an Illmatic . It Takes a Nation of Millions like paid in full . That's that type of convo , Enter the Wu-Tang type of convo . It's not an Iron man , it's not in that conversation .

Supreme's closer to being in that conversation than Iron man is , I think , for a lot of people , Even though I actually prefer a lot of the songs on Iron man to the songs on Supreme . But , that's another convo for another day .

Speaker 1

Oh my goodness , I love Iron man , Good grief .

Speaker 2

No , iron Man's brilliant , phenomenal piece of work . Iron Maiden's one of my favorite Wu-Tang joints ever .

Speaker 1

Man boxing hand .

Speaker 2

Yeah , Iron Maiden's better than Knuckleheads to me , I think , like actually . I love Knuckleheads , though Knuckleheads , go crazy man that beat Knucklehead feels better on the purple tape , but Iron Maiden's a better record than me , man that beat man .

Speaker 1

It's crazy . Iron Maiden , yeah . Jed said Iron Maiden was Supreme Clientele . I got them neck and neck , boss Jed . I got Iron Maiden Supreme Clientele , neck and neck for me . Iran said Iron Maiden is better than Doggy Stardom , and Chronic to me . Hey , you Better than Doggy Stine and Chronic to me , hey , you ain't hurt my feelings with that . Andre said Fish .

Speaker 2

Scale is the best Nah , nah . Fish Scale is my . For me , I think I have Fish Scale three or four . I have about three or four .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

Some days I listen to Bulletproof Wallets and I'm like man .

Speaker 1

If it didn't get leaked Bullet , Bulletproof Wallace would have been right beside Supreme Clientele the original .

Speaker 2

Bulletproof Wallace , the original , that has the original watch with Method man . Right , you know what I'm talking about yes , original and a slick rip . Yeah , Bulletproof Wallace oh you want to know what my shit is while we're doing like this , ray and Ghost , like dig right quick .

You remember Frozen with Ray and Rick on Rick's second album I mean not on Rick's second album on the artist storytelling album yes oh man , I love .

Speaker 1

Frozen man .

Speaker 2

Well , we should have got more Rick and Ray and Ghost because it's like Rick and Ray and Ghost Slick , rick and Ray Kwan going back and forth . That shit was special .

Speaker 1

It was special . Go back and listen to the Sun , the Sun that should have been on bulletproof wallets , yeah .

Speaker 2

Oh my god . Yes , there's about four or five joints that I heard that didn't make bulletproof . They didn't get the sample clearance . They didn't get the sample clearance .

Speaker 1

They didn't get the sample clearance . Yeah , flowers .

Speaker 2

That's what I'm talking about . Yeah , the flowers original version . No , you're right , it might be in the Supreme conversation had he been able to keep those tracks .

Speaker 1

If they would have kept the original format , without the leaks and not the clearances , he wouldn't have been three for three . Three for three .

Speaker 2

I mean , I think he's still three for three . Bulletproof is still a very big , strong rap out , don't get it twisted .

Speaker 1

Still one of those , yeah .

Speaker 2

Bulletproof is part of the Legend of Ghosts , oh yeah , oh yeah . Bulletproof is still like that .

Speaker 1

That's when he leapfrogged Ray Kwan . To me , I agree . That's when he leapfrogged the entire clan as an individual .

Speaker 2

I mean , if we really want to call it what it is , he leapfrogged about 95% of the game on some rap shit . It wasn't that he sounded better than Ray , it's that like think about where Ray was in relationship to everybody else and then that lets you know kind of of like the level that Ghost was operating on , like he did , kind of how about this he has ?

Of all the Wu-Tang members he has the longest run of actually existing on that Nas Big and J-Level in the minds of East Coast cats about how he produced and how he flowed and how great did it sound .

Speaker 1

He got better . He got better each time .

Speaker 2

Everyone else was kind of fizzing out .

Speaker 1

By the time they saw him out , they were fizzing out His comeuppance is one of the best unsung told stories in rap history .

Speaker 2

I mean , this guy like on their classic debut , at best he's sixth on the totem pole and he ends up being the guy by the second round . By most people's objective hip-hop measures . He's the guy now . It's like you know , like Meth is still the star of the group even to this day , but Ghost is the man now .

Speaker 1

Yes , yes , yeah , yo , paul just asked about Killer Army . Paul , you don't want to get me started on Killer Army .

Speaker 2

What Silent Weapons for Fire Wars ?

Speaker 1

Oh .

Speaker 2

And Dirty .

Speaker 1

Weaponry Two years in the Dirty Weaponry .

Speaker 2

I like Dirty Weaponry better than .

Speaker 1

Silent Weapons . I love Dirty Weaponry . I listened to Dirty Weaponry like three weeks ago . Three weeks ago I listened to Dirty Weaponry Going crazy , Crazy Holocaust on there going crazy . Don't get me started .

Speaker 2

I remember Bobby Digital . My loving is Digi Domestic violence . That was hilarious Kiss of the Black Widow with ODB yeah .

Speaker 1

ODB is wild on there . That was the first CD I bought fresh out of boot camp , the inner 98 . That joint came out , it came out like a week before , before Method man to Cal 2.0 , didn't it like T2 ?

Speaker 2

Judgment Day came out because Method's on NYC everything he got Hip Hop Quotable in the source for that .

Speaker 1

He did Don't get me on this path , man . This was about .

Speaker 2

Dre and Snoop anyway , because Dre and Snoop are the best duo . We ended up on this purple tape , though , because I said , well , they got two purple tapes , because they do , and Iron man is not the purple .

Speaker 1

We debate that later on . We got to do that show . I'm not going to say it on live , but we need to get that show going , that mashup , we'll talk about it offline . I don't want to throw it out there .

Speaker 2

I hope that it's everything that he's saying , that it is , though If it's what he says it is , it's the album of the year .

Speaker 1

Expect though because if it's what , he says it is , it's the album of the year . So expectations , expectations , bro . We'll see what he's doing it . Yeah so tyler man shocked me with his new interview that he just came out with maverick um .

Maverick carter and um really caught me off guard , to be quite honest , because tyler was actually talking about the way hip-hop is today and for the musician you know it's like . He pretty much summed it up by saying everyone sounds alike right now . It's like the spider-man meme , this , the sound is the same . No one takes it seriously anymore .

They're doing it for clout , they're doing it for money . He's saying the artistry for rappers today is not there . He said a lot of stuff . He was spitting , man . I know you had a chance .

I sent it to you earlier to listen through it but I was very surprised that it was coming from him because of what he's done early in his career and sometimes throughout his career , with some of the antics that he's played , some of the weird things that he's done . Very creative guy I mean Tyler DeCreator , very creative guy .

But hearing him talk like this through the lens of a musician , I was shocked , man , because I agree with everything he said . What about you , bro ?

Speaker 2

It's probably the point that we realize that Tyler's been around for a long time now and he actually is starting to ascend into a elder statesman

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type role . Sean and he may not even be realizing it , but you know what he's talking about .

He's talking like a grown ass man that was raised in a different rap climate and they've gotten to rap for different reasons , and so there is some get off my lawn that's coming coming coming out of this interview , and I think that's why it's striking you that it's coming from from Tyler , because we're not necessarily expecting this type of rhetoric to be espoused

by him , and so that's why it's like kind of like fascinating and shocking . It's like , oh , you feel this way because , like you and I talked about behind the scenes .

Well , in a lot of ways , he's part of some of these waves and trends that have ushered this era in , with some of the things that he's said , done music that he's made album titles I made a joke that he's said and done some things that have made De La Soul look like NWA .

When he comes with the get off my lawn stance , then you realize it's like oh no , this guy's been around since 2009 ?

Speaker 1

2008 , 2009 , yeah 2008 , 2009, .

Speaker 2

Well , that's you know . That means he's been in the league 15 16 years and he's talking like somebody that's been in the league 15 16 years . Yeah , you know what I'm saying . Like it's that . Well , you know , when I first came into the league , we could hand check right , got 30 . He's 30 harder than lebron's 30 you know what I'm doing right .

Yeah , that's how . That's how . That's how it comes off , like in a vacuum . But I do find his points to be accurate in a lot of ways too . Yeah , like it's not wrong . I think we're surprised that it's coming from him . It feels like it's kind of coming out of the field . We weren't expecting this type of conversation and dialogue from Tyler .

But I mean , how old is Tyler now ? Tyler's like in his mid thirties .

Speaker 1

He got to be close His mid thirties . He got it .

Speaker 2

So so , Tyler , I'd like to welcome you to the land . Fuck these kids . You . You to the land , Fuck these kids . He was talking about it . He was like man , I hate these fucking kids . I was like he sounds like me You're tired of these punk-ass kids . He was crazy on the kids .

Speaker 1

He did , but he was one . Mad Max got a great point here because I was thinking the same thing , Mad Max .

Speaker 2

Mad Max got great points .

Speaker 1

This is a good point , because I actually thought about this early when I listened to it . Mad Max said Tyler is really no different from the guys he's criticizing , though he wanted the game , so he's to blame . I don't want to hear that BS from him .

Speaker 2

Well , that clock is right twice a day , so Mad Max actually has a point .

Speaker 1

He got a point . He got a point , but that's why I was shocked by what Tyler was saying . Because , okay , let's be honest , what he's saying is not earth shattering , it's not like groundbreaking , no , it's not groundbreaking ?

Speaker 2

No , it's not groundbreaking .

Speaker 1

We've seen this before . Remember when Wu came out , people started biting . Other rappers were biting Woo's style . You know what I mean . The sound , you know the monikers . Woo was one of the first groups that had all these different names and monikers on the back of their albums . Right , they bit that . You know what I mean .

They bit the whole slang , the whole . You know talking . You know crazy that no one knows they're talking about and other rappers were doing the same thing . You know crazy that no one knows they're talking about and other rappers were doing the same thing . You know Frank Wright , the Prairie Mantis . You know what I mean . Like that's from the Woo Tree .

So this is not something that just happened . This has been going on for years in hip-hop . Jay , your boy , your boy , jay-z . He used to have the Iggy Flow Mad Max Boy .

Speaker 2

The Iggy flow Jay used to rap like the Fushnikins and then I was actually thinking about the fact that it's like , you know , when Nas is talking on Last Real Nigga Alive , when he says , but I borrow from both them niggas .

Well , I always thought the Nas Escobar shit came from being around , being close to Ray and then thereby being close to Ray , being close to Ghost and you know , he's in the room during the purple tape at some point . You know what I'm saying . And the purple tape is really the one that started those mafioso names and monikers and all that .

So Nas was there for that . You know what I'm saying . When he said I borrowed . When I'm looking at the Nas Escobar persona , it's like no , that's how big the influence was . Yeah , it was , even when Jay used to call . When I first heard Jay say Jigga Jay Z , I was like that's that woo shit , because he never called himself Jigga . Like no .

Speaker 1

It was all of that . He was getting all of that . So they were all switching everything up because you had to switch up . It started with Wu , then it got even more heightened when Nas came through with Illmatic . Everyone had to go back to the lab and say , look , we're not writing like this anymore . We can't write like this anymore . We have to change up .

That's including some of the greats . That's including Jay . As great as Jay is today , he had to switch it up . He had to switch it up for that .

Speaker 2

You want to know what it had . You know , to me I can tell that he was listening to the let the rhythm hit him when he made ilmatic , like he just was , because he's killing you softly very much the way rock him is killing you on on let the rhythm hit him .

It's just that he updated it a little bit and it was his debut album as opposed to rock him's third album . So the impact was there because he's just killing you softly . That's where he really changed the game . It's's like he got like niggas was yelling on the mic a whole , whole lot before Illmatic . You know what I'm saying .

And there was like a lot of chants . Yeah , he likes . It's like smoothing out the topping on a cake . It's like no , no , no , he smoothed the cake out . You know what I'm saying .

Speaker 1

He did . You're right , it was a lot of chants . It was going crazy back then , wearing high-tech boots , talking crazy .

Speaker 2

High-tech boots is doing too much in my opinion .

Speaker 1

I used to kill my high-tech boots . What are you doing with ?

Speaker 2

those the sole purpose is to either walk in snow or stomp in the ground . It's very uncomfortable . It's very uncomfortable .

Speaker 1

You used to put the pants laid inside the high-tech boot man . That was a joint Yo no ?

Speaker 2

Or when you used to roll one leg up .

Speaker 1

Oh man .

Speaker 2

Don't do that , bro . See , we've survived wars .

Speaker 1

Fashion wars . Oh yeah , oh yeah .

Speaker 2

We should be bombed on for some of the stuff that we wore growing up . That's why I never like . That's why , even though I can't stand these punk-ass kids , I never like . Get on them about their fashion . It's like no , it's like we were awful .

Speaker 1

We were terrible , we were terrible .

Speaker 2

Yeah , we were terrible example setters , terrible example setters , terrible setters For real , that is true . Think about it . We used to wear iceberg sweaters like literal big-ass fluffy cotton lint coming off of it every time you walk or wind blow on it . Ass sweaters with Snoopy on it .

Speaker 1

Snoopy on it , yep or .

Speaker 2

Ziggy or Charlie Brown .

Speaker 1

Black Bart Simpson joint . The Black Bart Simpson shirts . Yeah , nasty , nasty work , that's nasty . You couldn't tell me nothing without the Black Bart .

Speaker 2

Think about this If you could get one from the low for a boost from like $300 , $400 , that was a lick . That was a lick to get those sweaters for $300 , $400 .

Speaker 1

It was . You had status , you had status , you had status . You get them in the joint . You got status .

Speaker 2

Yeah . You either had a bright future good parents , or you were selling weight .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I used to sneak out the house with them in the joint , put them in my book bag , get to the bus stop . Mom didn't even know I had them in the joint . I had them in the joint stashed and please let me find it .

Speaker 2

She would have started asking you for money if she would have known that you had them . Yes , If you have money to buy this , I'll tell you what you're about to do . Here's this power bill nigga and please .

Speaker 1

when I found the African medallion in the line of Judah , the necklace joint jumped by like that big on your neck .

Speaker 2

When I had that joint , you had the Malcolm X jump off . That's what I call it . I call it the Malcolm X jump off .

Speaker 1

I did have that joint .

Speaker 2

Yeah , crazy Afro-picking your hair hair nappy as hell . Yeah , all that .

Analyzing Tyler the Creator's Impact

Speaker 1

I'm speaking knowledge , born like yo . What's good God ? I don't even know my mathematics . Yo , what's today's mathematics ? It was a crazy time . It was a crazy time for all of us .

Speaker 2

Shout out to New .

Speaker 1

York man . But yo real talk though , tyler , I dig it , I dig it , I dig it . Let's see how far he goes with this though because I think this is going to open a floodgates for different conversations , because he didn't say no names Coop .

Speaker 2

I don't want him to go any further . I mean it's a lot of shots at a lot of people too . I was wondering . It's like are you the next rapper to catch a diss in this new diss , which is really an old diss climate ?

Understand , like this , like like big disc moments in rap kind of work like the news cycle , in the sense that it's like every every five to seven years .

It's like we kind of have to do this like it's healthy , like it's like that shit that , um , it's that shit that , like clemenza said , like in the godfather , when he's like , no , no , he's like we got to do this every 10 years or so , you know helps get off out all the bad blood .

It helps kind of like like keep the motion of what really everything is going on in the big picture , like still going like beef and rap kind of works the same way . So it's like who pulling up on tyler about saying this ?

Because I mean I thought it's like okay , he's on my kodak , it's on my yadi , he's on my amigos to my future , he's on my thug gonna little baby 21 . Like who he talking about future ? You're talking about thug gunner , little baby 21 . Who are we talking about . You know what I'm saying .

And that kind of brings me to the point when he says that there does feel like there's some I don't know what the correct word is it's just like it feels like it's attacking the South a little bit . Yeah , you know what I'm saying . Yeah , but hold on . But hold on south a little bit .

You know what I'm saying , but hold on , listen to what I'm about to say . You just brought it up and you say it all the time when I was Timberland out . Well , when every New York nigga was wearing hoodies and Timbs . You know what I'm saying . Don't act like you didn't have a champion hoodie with your Timberlands . You know exactly what I'm talking about .

You either had your polo hoodie or you had your champion hoodie with your Timberlands . Absolutely Everybody in New York was dressing that way . Nobody pulled up from Cali , because that's where Ty was from and was like oh well , you know , all them niggas dress the same , and so it does kind of feel like that's what I mean . It .

Oh well , you know , all them niggas dress the same , and so it does kind of feel like that's what I mean . It's got some . Get off my lawn to it . It does . It does when Snoop . We just bought up doggy style .

Snoop had everybody wearing khakis with a flannel jacket Some fucking turkey tailors and some dickies he had , khakis Y'all didn't even know what dickie was till doggy style came out ?

Speaker 1

Not at all , and Converse Low Top Converse Didn't know anything about this life . I wasn't going to go that far with it , but Caswell .

Speaker 2

But when these things happen in those areas , these types of things don't get said , so it sounds like it's a little come off my lawn-ish . You know what I'm saying .

Speaker 1

It is and , and again I agree with him . I agree with everything he said . He was cooking . He was cooking again . That's similar , but what ?

Speaker 2

is , but what is he cooking , though , sean ? That's what I'm saying . Is it's like well , you saying this ?

Speaker 1

he's calling the obvious , he's calling out the obvious and you want to know what it is .

Speaker 2

This is the type of conversation that you usually have within your creative friend circle . When you're a creative that never really makes it to the light of day , like yeah , he did , he did kind of come and have that artist level conversation .

Like when you're a creator like the way that he's a creator , that's why his name is tyler the creator yep , when you like do what he does at the level that he does artistically , the way that he does , it's like you have a set and a circle of people usually , and these are the types of conversations and dialogues that you usually have with them .

It's like these punk motherfuckers is all just a spider-man meme out here . You know what I'm saying . It usually doesn't happen . You know , on this level , in terms of these types of conversations , right , because he has them , like all artists have them . You know what I'm saying .

Like , like you and I through some of our connections , have heard some things where it's like , oh , it's like that nigga really said that . And then you think about the artist . It's like , yeah , yeah , it's coming from a direct source . You know what I'm saying exactly , exactly that's why I want to see what happens next ?

Speaker 1

What is the next step to this ? You got this interview out , you got music coming . You got this coming . He apologized to him . He's on a little run right now , let's see what the next phase of this looks like , because you can't come back and drop some trash after you said all of this . You need to drop something that makes sense .

So we'll see Tyler , and no gimmicks , because he's known for gimmicks too . He's done some gimmicky things . He's done some weird things , some wild things .

Speaker 2

I think some of that is the machine Like . One of his strongest points was that , well , there are so many other things . He's essentially saying what and I'm not trying to toot my own horn he's essentially saying what I've been saying for a while .

It's like well , these artists have to do so many different things now to exist on a relevancy basis in this cycle . You do that . The music is just a piece of the kit . Yep , the music used to be the big part of the kit . Yep , the music used to be the big part of the kit .

It's like Magic talks about this and Mike talks about this and Larry talks about this . It's like , no , we had to show that we were all-time great and then we got paid after . We showed that we were all-time great , and rap it used to be . It's like well , you have to make that album to ascend to that level of stardom . Yep , like you're .

Like our stars , especially our early stars . It was based on the level of songs and albums they were making . Like 90 of it . Yeah , they were making the best product , so they were the best they were the best , they were making the best products . So they were the best . They were the best .

Yeah , krs-one exists the way that he exists because it's like , well , he was making some of the best songs and the best albums .

Speaker 1

Right . We so far what . 50 years of hip-hop right . 51 years , right . So we so far removed from the foundation . Everything is going to be rinse and repeat at some point , because the creative juices pause have changed a lot over the years . When we first heard Woo , we never heard anything like that . We never heard rappers rapping over .

You know sonics like that . Or you know karate beats and karate skits .

Speaker 2

That was fresh .

Speaker 1

It was something new . Even when the G-Funk era took over , we never heard rappers going over a joke .

Speaker 2

When we had our Def Jam conversation , we forgot about Warren G . Warreng kept the lights on until the MSG .

Speaker 1

He kept the lights on .

Speaker 2

Absolutely , and that happened . G-funk era is like triple quadruple platinum . This DJ was my shit . Like Regulate is what it is , but this DJ was my shit yes , that album was legit that was a great album yeah you know yo LP , lp . I see y'all with the sneaker head talk LP , the Felines , the Grand Hills , the Ones and the Twos . Ah , never had .

Speaker 1

Felines never bought L the Grant Hills . The ones and the twos Never had a few loss , Never walked a lot of the way above .

Speaker 2

I was talking to LP . I was talking to LP . Nobody was talking to you . Nobody Like Grant Hill .

Speaker 1

it's a North Carolina thing you wouldn't understand , I did .

Speaker 2

Mike is really from Wilmington . He's really from Port City . He was just born in Brooklyn .

Speaker 1

Yeah , yeah , yeah yeah .

Speaker 2

I'm not arguing that If you ask Mike where he's from , he'll tell you Port City .

Speaker 1

Yeah , port City , north Carolina . I know about Wilmington .

Speaker 2

Yeah , shout out to . Wilmington Grand Hills . The Grand Hills were fire Sean . They were .

Speaker 1

I was on some other stuff , that was on some beef and broccolis , then I wasn't thinking about it .

Speaker 2

You want to know what my nasty hold on . And then we can slide to the next topic . You know what my nastiest pair of kicks was . You know my favorite player growing up was Dominique . You know what I mean . I was raised in Atlanta .

We had British Knights , I had the all-gray Reebok pumps the all-gray , the all-gray Reebok pumps , the all-gray , with the big orange pump on the front , with the orange ball on the tongue . Yeah , the orange ball that you pump . It was nasty , it was nasty . I'm still having nightmares about the all-gray Reebok pumps . You should , that's like wearing lugs .

Speaker 1

That's like wearing lugs . Who wears lugs ?

Speaker 2

No , it's not that bad . It's not that bad that . No , it's not that bad , it's not that bad , that's another level .

Speaker 1

That's another level .

Speaker 2

Were there niggas in the street that were wearing lugs in New York For real .

Speaker 1

Yeah , don't do that . Funk Flex was wearing lugs . Funk Flex was wearing lugs . Yeah , see , he had the ads . Funk Flex was doing the ads , see that's probably why nobody robbed him .

Speaker 2

Why are we going to rob you ?

Speaker 1

when you got some lugs on .

Speaker 2

We can't do nothing with those .

Speaker 1

They were ugly , like what Ghost said , never brought lugs on Way Above . Like it's crazy , that's terrible .

Speaker 2

No , all great Reebok punks with the orange ball in the middle that you had to pump up . Oh , so nasty , so nasty . The shoestrings were gray too , and it wasn't like that shiny gray , it was like that , just like charcoal ass gray . It was terrible .

Speaker 1

That is crazy . Andre Miller said he wasn't LA Gears . Yo , you ain't no LA Gears . Yo , fubu did have sneakers , don't you know what I'm saying ? Look real , look real , you know who was flying .

Speaker 2

I wish they would have blow up elise . Remember elise's yes , yes yes , I always thought their shit was funky . It's just their quality was like terrible , but like yeah it was .

Speaker 1

It was a wave and then it just went off . Yeah , george's , little britain's , all of those things , the Adoras , all of that Stylish Y'all taking me back . So , coop , I got to take it down south man Pause Complex . Yeah , please never say that again . Yeah , that was crazy . That was crazy . I'm going to edit that later on , please .

Please , shout out to my man Andrew , edit that later on . Yo , your city man Complex came right to your city and they're talking about the top 50 rappers from Atlanta . Talk to me , man . I'm going to sit back because I want to get your thoughts on this man . I'm just going to play my role on this one .

Speaker 2

I'd like to just have a moment of truth , if I may . Yeah , when I read through the list they Not Like Us by Kendrick was playing in my head , I was thinking they not like us're not like us , they're not like us . Yeah , this list . You want to know what's crazy about this list .

First of all , I'm in a place where I realize that these lists are just totally created now , sean . They're totally created for the shock value and for the clickbait that they provide . Exactly , they try to portray it like there's some real analysis going

Debating Atlanta's All-Time Top MCs

on . First of all , nobody down here classifies Jermaine Dupri as a rapper . We don't classify Jermaine Dupri as a rapper . We don't really classify Lil Jon as a rapper . Well , john and Jermaine Dupri don't count . We look a little more on the production side and so just little John and Jermaine Dupri making the list .

That lets me know that it's like for the clicks and for the likes and for the pub , because nobody down here has those guys on a list like that , because they belong on another list . They didn't get the MCs wrong , sean . It's just that the order is all messed up . You got Cy High in the 40's .

You got Gip in the 30's , you got , you got , I mean and I say this respectfully it's like how you got Ludacris over Big Boy , like where , where they do that at . It's like how you got Ludacris over Big Boy , like where , where they do that at . I mean , apparently they do that down here . You got Offset over Big Boy . That's just egregious .

You got Waka Flocka , waka Flocka over Gip .

Speaker 1

And Big Boy .

Speaker 2

No , no , no , Not over Big Boy , Big Boy over Gip .

Speaker 1

He's over Gip , he's over Pastor Troy .

Speaker 2

You got Gucci at four .

Speaker 1

Yeah . Over Jeezy Over Jeezy .

Speaker 2

I don't know about that . Yeah , I don't know about that . I don't know about that . If you're talking in Atlanta , we can have a sincere , like you know , jeezy and Gucci conversation . Yeah , I mean , first of all , all of these guys being ahead of big boy except for TI is crazy to me . Like let me just go and get that out the way .

All of these guys being ahead of big boy instead of ti , that's fucking crazy yeah , that's crazy .

Speaker 1

Look at mad maxi lotto . Don't have one classic song , but she's Great point .

Speaker 2

What CeeLo is like . What Where's CeeLo at CeeLo ?

Speaker 1

is when is CeeLo ?

Speaker 2

I feel like they had him like at 16 or something . Yeah , he's at 16 . 16 . Yep C had him at 16 or something . Yeah , he's at 16 . 16, . Yep , ceelo at 16 is some of the most egregious stuff .

Speaker 1

I've ever seen , right in front of Jermaine Dupri .

Speaker 2

He's top five . Easy Sean , that's an easy top five . Atlanta all-time MC choice . I really don't care how you want to parse it out . I don't mind Future at three , but it's like if Future's at three I would have it go . Ti , big Boy , future I mean , I think we all know what I'm about to say .

Complex started off this article when they named Andre number one and literally bought up the fact that he had never made a solo rap album . They still had him at number one . I realize a couple things , sean . First of all , they're still watching me and biting my style . Can't wait to see you niggas Taking my shit . Know who put you on to that .

You know who I am , know who you are . We following each other . You know what I'm doing Playing this little shell game , stealing my shit .

And two , I realize they're still not any good at what they do Because in the same fell swoop that they acknowledge the fact that he had never made a solo rap album but put him at number one , goes everything to what their credibility .

It's crazy in terms of their hip-hop knowledge , which is very minimal , and also the fact that they're doing this for clickbait and lights c-lo , probably like the only person that even rivals andre with actual true what you , what I would call traditional hip-hop quotables , is CeeLo .

So if we're talking about the bars and the legendary verses , ceelo actually has the most of those in tuck and he has solo material and he has classic group material it may not be outcast-level classic group material and he's actually a better singer than Andre Right , because CeeLo can legit , legit sing .

Speaker 1

Cool . Let me ask you this , Influence-wise if you were to flip it and say influence , would this list make more sense ? I'm not talking about really catalog .

Speaker 2

Yes , but in the process of them being influential . This is what I mean . So big boy has to sit at like what number nine or something like that .

Speaker 1

Yep , he's down the list from stacks and I don't think there should be that much separation between those two .

Speaker 2

This is the main thing that I've always been saying .

Speaker 1

He's number eight .

Speaker 2

He's number eight . You can't Sean . This is why I have Ray so high , because it's like , no , if you got ghosts where you got ghosts , how you don't have Ray , like two , three , four , five . You know what I'm saying ? Steps . That's why I kind of got ghosts at like 9 , 10 , but I got Ray at like 12 , 13 , 14 . You know what I'm saying ?

Because it's like , oh no , I can't have him . But so far back , because most of his best stuff , most of his best stuff collectively , like outside of Supreme clientele , I'd tell you about 80% of their best stuff is together . It is .

Speaker 1

Outside of Supreme .

Speaker 2

Like if you take Supreme out 80-85% of their best stuff in their catalogs , well , the guy is on the song . Somehow Whether it's just Ray doing the hook in the intro to Motherless Child or however you want to call it , it's like oh no , their best shit is mostly with them .

Speaker 1

He's in that room with them .

Speaker 2

Yeah , the same rules apply to Big Boy with Andre . It's like , well , if you're making a list and you have Andre at number one , I mean Big Boy can't be no lower than six , not eight .

So six would be like as far out as you could stretch it and really , for whatever impact that you're talking about that Dre has had , and acknowledging that he hasn't had a solo rap career , that means that same cultural influence and relevancy and classic music making needs to go in big boy's category , which is why you should put him in the top five with Dre

if you're going to have Dre at number one . So , truthfully , let's look at it through their eyes and through people's eyes about how they view Andre , Because we're talking about Andre the talent , we're not talking about Andre the artist . That's what people need to understand . We're talking about three stacks the talent , not three stacks the artist .

We don't know who three stacks the rap artist is . Guys , we know who Andre and Andre 3000 and Andre Benjamin is in the secure world . That is the Dungeon Family and OutKast , but we don't know what Andre 3000 , the solo rap artist , looks like . You understand what I'm saying yeah and so that leads you to base it on that dungeon family outcast stuff .

And if that's what you're basing it on , well , is dre more talented than big boy ? Well , yeah , I think dre is more talented than almost anybody , except for , like , lauren hill . You know what I'm saying as far as people that have like blessed the mic in terms of like what is like real , real gifts are .

But if you're basing it on OutKast shit , well , big Boy gotta be like number three on this list . At worst it should go . Even if you're doing like a clout list or like an importance list , well , it need to go like this andre future , yeah , and then you would have to go big boy and then you would get to to gucci and gz and luda and all those guys .

Because here's the thing first of all , if you guys don't exist , big big boy doesn't exist in my opinion . But furthermore , ti being that high up on the list , future being that high up on the list that takes care of that Gucci and Jeezy and Luda thing in terms of fitting that demographic to that market .

You already got that taken care of , so you can go ahead and place it appropriately . They don't know what they're doing and you know , it's like at this point I'm in a place of forgiveness , sean . It's like Father . They don't know what they're doing , they're lost , they're in the wilderness . I was lost in the wilderness until I found Hip Hop Talks .

So I understand . I have to be more empathetic . I have to be more empathetic to these people . But these people , but you can't be with this kind of list , Cole . No , we just need to pray for them , because here's what I'm saying we just need to pray for them .

Well , the list is terrible in terms of how they ordered it , but at least they've gotten it together enough that they got the right people on the list . When I saw Kilo on this list how about this , Sean ? When I had the nasty Reebok bumps , Kilo had the biggest song in the city . Do you Hear what I Hear ? That's when I had the nasty Reebok pumps .

Speaker 1

That's nasty .

Speaker 2

It is . It's a nasty time . Kilo's got the biggest hit in the city .

Speaker 1

Nobody knows who the hell the Dungeon family is , because they really don't exist yet and I'm wearing nasty Reebok pumps to gym class Climb up a rope Climbing up a rope in my rebar pumps and you probably pumped them up before you climb up the rope , which is crazy . I pumped it up before I did everything before .

I did everything before you can sit down and eat .

Speaker 2

You pump them up , pump them up . Yeah , having c , having celo outside the top 10 , I have a problem with . I do feel like some people were misplaced . Um , I think for the most part they did a good job , like their top 10 . Wouldn't be that my order of the top 10 , but it would be some approximation of outside of offset .

I think then they have offset in the top 10 .

Speaker 1

I think they did . Yeah , let me pull it back , yeah .

Speaker 2

Offset's not top 10 to me . Everybody else that was in the top 10 , I was okay with it , just wasn't okay with the order .

Speaker 1

Yeah , offset is number 13 . They got little baby . Number 10 , two chains nine . Yeah , luda seven , big boy eight , thug six , gucci five oh , that's , that's what it is okay .

Speaker 2

So 10 through 13 is too high for all of them . Lil Baby , savage Playboi and Offset , nah , not over CeeLo or Quavo . And , truthfully , gunna makes better music than all of y'all .

Speaker 1

They really do .

Speaker 2

Yeah , gunna makes better music than all of those guys and he's been just as big a star and he's actually the guy that helped Lil Baby groom his style . He's the guy that Young Thug literally was not letting get into the hands of Puff or anybody else about his talent .

So if we're going to do that talk and put it together like this , it's like I would actually swap Gunna and Baby out . I'd push 21 back and push Killer Mike and CeeLo up . I would rearrange some of the 10 . I would probably . My list would probably . If we're including Andre on the list , I'm going to still say TI is number one on this list .

After TI , I'm going to go yeah , cool Breeze is 39 . That's absurd , cool Breeze and Get being in the 30s is absurd for an Atlanta rapper list . Same thing with Sean Paul and Saha , like all way too high on the list and need to be lower . I'm going to go TI , big Boy . I go CeeLo .

I would go Andre after that because I know the metric that they're working . But we got to dock him something for not having a solo album , but he should still be top five .

Speaker 1

You got to dock him something for not having a solo album , but he should still be top five .

Speaker 2

You got to man you got to . After that I would probably go Jeezy , then Future . Some of my people would probably say Future , but I lived through Jeezy and I had never seen no shit like that in my life and so I haven't seen anything like it since . So I would have Jeezy at six . I probably have Future at seven .

Chains Luda yeah , that's like all the people that's in there is kind of like about right , I think , except for Takeoff and Lil Baby .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I don't even think they're using any type of algorithm or any type of legitimate metric to put this together . I really think they're going by just whatever . Honestly , I don't think there's a rhyme or reason to it . I think it's more like OK , we got these names , let's just put them here .

Because you can't look at influence and think that this list will fit in influence dynamic , you know , I mean skill for skill . You can't really look at it because it's look too choppy as you start getting into the middle .

Atlanta Rappers & Solo Projects

Like I told you , behind the scenes you guys show a lot of love to three stacks . The way you guys , you know , take care of three stacks is how do you take care of Nas ? You guys take care of three stacks is how do yours should take care of Nas ?

Because no matter what list comes out for the South Atlanta , whatever stacks is going to be number one regardless . It's crazy to me because they treat stacks as we should honestly treat Nas , because if you look at it in totality , nas has the body of work , he has the features , he has the lyrics , he has songs .

Speaker 2

He has the hooks .

Speaker 1

He checks every single box that would make sense to be on the list . I don't want to make this about New York and by Nas when it comes to Atlanta , no , no , no , I get what you're saying . You know what I mean .

Speaker 2

So here's what I would tell you Part of Andre making all of these lists and the part of it that nobody's really gonna admit to . Well , he's really the only Atlanta Rapper with some goat Contender status Right . For as much as I love TI Big Boy .

Speaker 1

Luda .

Speaker 2

Future Jesus . None of them are really in GOAT conversation in terms of the bars , sean .

Speaker 1

Right , that's a fact .

Speaker 2

That's a fact . 3000 is in the GOAT conversation about bar work across the board , not just in Atlanta but , across the board . Period yes , In rap circles his bar walk is goat level . Yes , and because he is the only real Atlanta rapper .

I feel like TI had moments where he was rapping goat level like , but I feel like a lot of that attention and credit went to wayne instead , and that is part of it .

People gotta look at you like oh no , like like when kiss talks about coming into the game , it's like he's like no , he's like we came in like you know , nas , big and j , that was the level . Like that was the highest level . It's like if you could , if you was doing stuff comparable to them , that was the thing .

And so the thing down here , as far as bar work is concerned , andre is the level . You know what I'm saying ? He's the level , he's the barometer , he's the spear , because he's the only mc that we've ever had where people outside of atlanta have been like this might be the best rapper in the game .

They're not from Atlanta , they're not from the South , they're literally just talking about what this man is saying out of his mouth . Because of that , he does get ranked higher , but he just don't have no solo album . His impact is so great , sean , that the album wouldn't even have to be great at this point .

His impact is so great , the album wouldn't have to be great , like do you know how ? Do you know how people would go crazy if he made a cheat codes level album ?

Speaker 1

think about if he made cheat codes like black my goodness , it would be crazy , it would be , it would be wild .

Speaker 2

I was arguing , I was arguing with six's wife and she's letting me know that this flute album with platinum it's like she's digging it in , it's like she's taking a shot . Six is looking at me , he's behind her , he's just waving . He's like don't even do it . He's like I've already been having these conversations .

It's got a platinum flute album because what I looked at what I looked at , what I looked at my cousin-in-law . She's really like my cousin . I'm no me . I'm no artist since I was 16 years old .

I literally looked at her and I was like but people showed up to buy that album because they know andre the rap artist , and his raps are as such that his fan base will literally make a flute album platinum because he is so talented on the mic that it makes people think well , if he's talented on the mic like that , he might be talented at something else too

. That's how talented he is . He has that type of transcendental talent where it literally translates to people believe that you can operate in other spheres very much . It's like oh , people believe michael jordan can play baseball because it's like well , look at the athlete that he is .

Speaker 1

It's like he can do something . Because you go in there to see what he can do with it .

Speaker 2

Yeah , but much like Michael Jordan , this flute album is hitting like 220 in AAA . It's crazy . It's hitting 220 in AAA and it's not even hitting as many doubles as Michael Jordan did in AAA . That's some bullshit . He deserves to be number one . You can't be number one at anything . Think about this , sean . You're from the Mecca .

All the guys that are in a New York top ten list have about five solo projects at least . Easy . All ten , all ten . Yeah , you got five solo projects at least Easy , like all 10 .

Speaker 1

All 10 . Yeah , all 10 got five solo projects . Cool , I'll go to the next tier in it . I'll go to .

Speaker 2

Prodigy . I mean how many Ray got five projects , nas Ghost , I mean , big's the only one right . Big would make your top 10 with our five solo projects . Think about what he did from 1994 to 1997 . He made a Junior Mafia album , did Ready to Die , did a double album , life After Death . He was helping Puff make no Way Out .

Yeah , he did a lot while I was here all the guest appearances , what's the 411 remix ? The dolly , my baby my baby .

Speaker 1

He was here the flake in your ear .

Speaker 2

Remix total . Can't you see 112 , only you . You can't stop the rain with biggie tracy lee . Yeah , white for junior mafia , that's what I'm saying .

So it's like , even even with him , it's like , well , he didn't make five albums , but he made about five albums worth of material in about three or four years you did in a short period of time yeah , wrote hard , wrote a good , wrote some of the best stuff on hardcore he did solo project gave it direction and everything .

Yeah , think about what 50 did with Curtis the Massacre Get Rich or Die Trying the G-Unit album . Buck album , banks album , yayo album , game album . Yeah , all your top 10 . We don't need to talk about neither Jay , do we ? Krs-one Rock M got five pieces Cool G Rap LL .

Speaker 1

But that's what I'm saying , busta .

Speaker 2

All the guys from up top and out west . Sean got like five solo projects Snoop Q .

Speaker 1

But Cool , that's what

Debating Andre 3000's Legacy

I'm saying . Y'all take care of him , you all take care of him . Don't say y'all , I'm just saying Y'all take care of their own . They put him .

Speaker 2

No , we good at taking care of our own , but we also , to be fair , it's like how about this ? This is how I feel about it .

We are taking care of Andre at the expense of TI's legacy , At the expense of Big TI's legacy , at the expense of big boys legacy , mostly at the expense of CeeLo's legacy , Like those three guys specifically are suffering from the intention that he garners when they haven't put in the work that those three guys have put in .

Speaker 1

That's my , that's my point .

Speaker 2

So think about like this , If you were to prove why not just give the adulation and the flowers to those guys , because you can't , just can't , you can't , but they don't want to Life is about choices .

Speaker 1

Life is about choices . It is , but they don't want to do it .

Speaker 2

You're choosing to follow the flutist .

Speaker 1

like he's the Pied Piper I'm not talking about R Kelly's nasty ass , Yo , but Coop , they can't help it . Let me get Mad Max real quick . Mad Max appreciate you , bro . The difference between Ray and Ghost and Dre and Big Boy is people think skill-wise Ray and Ghost are equal . People think Andre is level or two above Big Boi's skill . That's why they do .

You're right , but he's not . If you go back and listen to the first two albums , Big Boi is right . That's that boxing with him Straight up . Now you know , Stax got some moments .

Speaker 2

All four albums in my opinion , he's right there , he's right there , like to me some of the most memorable moments , like dre's got the better verses but the more memorable moments on southern play elizabeth belong to big boy to me yeah , he's right there from the skunk , from the dank that is crunk in the dungeon .

The first time you hear the word crunk is from big boy on Hootie who follows the funk from the same , it won't like that Going out to the Jeeps in the hose and the lack , all sookie , sook All day and day , any day , every damn day .

I be thinking of the good old days when I was a whippersnapper , used to try to get a kiss , but now I need them draws . I'm after . I'm just a Southern Playalistic pimp . I used to sling a fat rock , but now I'm serving him . Hootie Hoo was the song that blew them up outside of Atlanta .

Speaker 1

Hootie Hoo was the song that had me like who are these guys ?

Speaker 2

That's Big Boy . That's Big Boy that sets that off . Yes , yeah , that's what I'm saying , A lot of their following when Andre is on Ben's R&B and saying the world is yelling hooty-hoo , but in my pocket nothing but gum and lint . To some who said hooty-hoo off , that's Big Boy . Andre didn't say hooty-hoo off , Big Boy is the one that made that shit funky .

Speaker 1

He set the tone .

Speaker 2

He did . That's what I mean . He's been setting the tone for the two of them from day one and he deserves just as much credit as Dre . Is he for the two of them from day one , and he deserves just as much credit as is dre . Is he a better mc than dre in a vacuum ? No , very few people who have ever lived in a vacuum are better than dre .

If we're talking about in a vacuum . He is on that jay and big and naz and scarface and rock him black . Thought like , like , type of like . He's bad on the mic . You just don't have enough evidence to put him this high .

Speaker 1

Because he has that extra flair and you can , he has extra flair .

Speaker 2

How about this ? This is exactly what this is . You follow football , right ? You know who Gale Sayers is right , absolutely . It's like naming the Chicago Bears best running backs of all time and you're putting Gale Sayers ahead of Walter Payton Now in a vacuum . Is Gale Sayers a better runner than Walter Payton ? Based on the film and based on the time ?

Well , yes , but go look at the career Walter Payton had , because Walter Payton played 16 years in the NFL versus Gail Sayers , who played six . It's not fair to Walter Payton's contributions to the game to have Gail Sayers ahead of Walter Payton . And so when you stick Andre ahead of TI and big boy and CeeLo specifically , that's what you're doing .

You're putting Gail Sayers ahead of .

Speaker 1

Walter .

Speaker 2

Payton , walter Payton . On everybody else's list , walter Payton's top three is usually Jim Brown , walter Payton , barry Sanders , in some sort of variation or form of how people have it formed .

Speaker 1

So how are ?

Speaker 2

you going to have behind Gale Sayers on the local list . That's true when he's top three what he does if you actually look at the totality of it . And so that's the problem with Andre , that he literally is taking the shine away from other people , but his talent is great as such , but also , too , talent is very much like potential .

It's not about if you have it at a certain point in a certain stage in life . It's about do you produce with that talent , that potential , that capability , because if you don't produce with it , it really doesn't mean anything . And he just hasn't produced to be number one .

Speaker 1

And how do you utilize it ? You see , with Mad Max again , andre also has music for artsy-fartsy people , and those are the people who are doing these lists along with . Yeah , he's right , I mean .

Speaker 2

Mad Max on fire tonight . Mad Max , he's not on fire .

Speaker 1

He's on fire . That's a good one , Coop , because he's right .

Speaker 2

Only time Mad Max was on fire is when he had syphilis and he had to go to the clinic .

Speaker 1

Yo man , he's from the city , man , come on .

Speaker 2

He's messing with them chicks . He was messing with them chicks from Queens when he needed to stay in London . No , that's Brooklyn , that's Brooklyn .

Speaker 1

That's Brooklyn , your LP from Queens too . Queens get the money in the house . He's right , though , because Stax reaches a whole different demo that Big Boy doesn't have . So imagine you've been in the same group and you guys are reaching a different demo .

You know what I mean , and not only do I have your core audience , I have my own core audience , my own following . It changes the dynamic . Cool . You've experienced that . You and Mike y'all had the people . No shout out to Mike .

I didn't want to shit on Mike or nothing like that , but the people that were like you know the dormant people , like you know the nice guys they like Mike . Mike is a nice guy . You know what I mean . You're a dirtbag , so you have like the dirtbag .

Speaker 2

You want to know what's crazy , since we're actually talking about that and we're taking it there . Well , actually , on camera , I'm the dirtbag Y'all don't do that , nah , nah , man . And he's the good guy , but behind the scenes and in real life and in real time in this city , my G you get what .

I'm saying but no , no , no , like real talk people don't understand . It's like oh no , that's for you know , public consumption , and for TV Like'm the person that like takes plates to the homeless down the edge of Avenue at one o'clock in the morning . You know what I'm saying , like that's not that guy about to do that you know what .

I'm saying and so like . So perception sometimes is reality , but that don't make it real because , like in real time city , it's like facts .

Speaker 1

Yeah , you're the edgy . You're the edgy personality , right , but he was more of the laid-back personality . So we our group being hit it . They get raunchy because they're edgy as well .

Speaker 2

They dig that rough stuff yeah , yeah , I definitely , I definitely took the um , the misfits , from the tribe you know what I'm saying .

Like all the um , all of the the hooligans I've noticed that all the quote-unquote professionally educated black businessmen tend to reside on that side and the dudes that's really like from the corners and from the neighborhood and been through some things , tend to have gravitated over here . So there is some truth to that .

But that's also unfortunate , you know what I'm saying Because you should really be able to exist that's that veil that WEB Dubois talks about , in the Souls of Black Folks , where it's like , well , we exist on both sides and really , you know to sew this up nicely you should actually be able to exist in both of our worlds , as long as the quality of show is

there , you know . So they should be able to actually do both . So that's facts . People that's over there that refuse to come over here , well , I realized like a lot of those people really like couldn't stand me and they were really like there just to like support mike , and they're entitled to that .

And there are people that when they found out I was over here , well , they've been over here supporting all the time because in , you know , in some cases they was my people in in like like books you know what I'm saying Like books came over here like rocking with my nigga coop .

You know what I'm saying , and it's unfortunate , but you're supposed to be able to exist on both sides as long as the quality is there , like .

Speaker 1

I know that we have .

Speaker 2

We got the quality , so I'm not concerned . I don't know what they're doing .

Speaker 1

We just , we just we're just sparring right now . We haven't even , like , really really ramped up yet . We're waiting for the subs to get up so we can ramp up .

we on the just a quick pause break , like we got so much stuff lined up right now , like if y'all paying attention on who , what we really doing , who we really connected to what we connected , you will understand that if you're a Nas fan , if you're a fan of that ilk of hip hop , we got some things on standby .

We're just trying to get the subs up so it can make sense . We're not bringing somebody on here when the subs are not where they need to be and we know it's going to take some time . You know , because we came out the gate pretty strong , pretty fast . We're tracking pretty fast as well , but we want to make it worth those people Wow .

So when they come on here they get love from everybody . You know what I mean . So we got some stuff in the tuck right now . You saw some of the things we kind of . You know , we did some interviews already . We kind of showing you some breadcrumbs to where we're going with this , you know what . I mean so we this , you know .

I mean so we're still trying to get the subs . So tell a friend . To tell a friend , we're doing this for the people . We're not doing this for us , we're doing this for the people , straight up I mean , we crack .

Speaker 2

We just cracked 1600 subs . We've been at it for about 100 days , sean , yeah then , so it's like we , we built this platform out organically .

Already our views very much , on a regular basis , supersede what the following is and we just really we actually we're all visionary type of guys and because we're all visionary type of guys and girls behind the scenes , you know we all have ideas about what this should be , but I think we're all under the same guise and understanding that it's like , oh no , like

, when we grow the numbers and it becomes what it should be .

And so , like , truthfully , and I say this like wholeheartedly the reason that I want you to click , like and subscribe and be part of this tribe is because the more people that jump on , we can start doing some of the real stuff that we have playing behind the scenes , because we can actually provide y'all with some moments .

But we have to create the triad , the traction and the reaction that's going to create those moments . So , yeah , that's why I want people to run the numbers up . It's actually coming from a place of wanting to give you an even superior product .

Speaker 1

Absolutely . That's all it is really . We want to make it worth their while . The people that we have lined up right now that we're talking to , that we have right now in my inbox Like , trust me , like Coop said , we're just trying to get people .

Discussing Hip-Hop Shows and Collaboration

Speaker 2

Do you know that we have more shows than Andre has solo rap songs already ? Damn . Coop , you didn't have to say that it's been 100 days in . How about this ? Lil Wayne has probably had nights , nights . Take Lil Wayne's top five recording nights that exceeds .

Speaker 1

Andre's top five recording nights that exceeds . Andre's output for his career . That is crazy Cool . We appreciate you , deuce . We are definitely working on some other shows . We got a lot of stuff in the talk . I'm going to be honest with you , I don't want to make this about an infomercial , but we got so much stuff in the talk right now .

We have so many different ideas and so many different show uh shows that we actually going to start putting out real soon and start recording just behind the scenes to really give the people um , authentic hip hop talk and life talk .

You know , cooper and I did a show a couple of Sundays ago and we were talking about health , mental health and things of that nature . And you know even our Discord , our Discord popping all day . Honestly , the work that we do sometimes .

I go into Discord and just be rocking with those guys like Jack LP you know I'm sorry if I'm misnaming anybody my man Trife Boogie from day one . So we got a lot of different things that we're doing , but we're trying to also get back the right way . That's our main thing to get back the right way .

I think I don't know how to pronounce it that's love right there . We appreciate that , thank you .

Speaker 2

You know , sean , we really are like doing like a cultural piece here . It's like like this is different than the stuff I've done . People pull up on me every month and they send me little inboxes . They're like Coop , you're so different . Here I'm like , well , this space is different . You know what I'm saying .

Like the space that we're trying to exist in is different than the stuff that I've done before , and so I don't want there to be any like comparative analysis is like this is kind of something new , something fresh , something different . We haven't hit you with our best shit yet .

Like we haven't given you our best shot yet , like you know what I'm saying , because there are people literally waiting for us . It's like , oh no , when you get here , we're gonna step in and make this happen , and when those things start to to happen , it's just a matter of time for us . But , unlike Andre , we got time on our side .

Brother , you can't be number one in Atlanta with no rap album . I went through the top 50 New York lists Solo albums everywhere . Solo albums everywhere . It's a candy land of number one . Not only is solo albums , it is Solo albums everywhere . Solo albums everywhere . It's a candy land of Monopoly of solo albums . It is . Solo albums everywhere .

Speaker 1

It is .

Speaker 2

Krs-one has more group material than Andre has group material and he has a whole solo career , and so when you place in somebody like KRS , it's like so what you're telling me is that if KRS existed in the South , he'd be number one , right , isn't ? That what you're telling me Okay . First of all , you spelled discord , dick cord , without the S .

Speaker 1

You just can't have a work . No , I'm gonna put pause in there too .

Speaker 2

Um yeah , not too fast oh , deuce falco said I suggest more shows during the week . Yeah , I mean , you know , have you pulled up on brunch on sunday ? We do have a sunday show . That's what I mean about building out the platform too .

It needs to make sense for us to go on other days , because there are other independent rat pods that go on certain days and stuff . We're trying to be respectful in the space and give everybody proper light . It's like Hoffa don't drop when Budden drop . You know what I'm saying .

The Breakfast Club come on every day during the morning by the time Charlemagne is done . He doesn't conflict with what Elliot usually pulls up and says on Twitter in the afternoon . There is a fundamental base level of respect in this space and so we are trying to operate within that framework .

So part of it is shooting the gap about well , when these other platforms are on , so that we don't create conflict . You know what I'm saying . We're not trying to fight for fans , we're trying to have our own fan base . That's what I'm saying . People that watch Hoffa , watch Charlamagne , watch Button listen to Elliot .

It might all be the same person , but you don't listen to them niggas at the same time . They don't come on at the same time . No , they don't come on at the same time , for a reason , we got some decorum about ourselves .

Speaker 1

We , gentlemen , we don't go snooping in anyone else's chat . See what they got going on . You know what I mean . We're trying to build our own family , those who want to rock with us . We got some good stuff .

Speaker 2

Andre , I'm not taking shots at anybody , I'm just telling the truth . Brother , spade is a spade . You know what I'm saying . If I'm Trump tight and the other nigga got puppy toes , it's not my problem . Yo man , it's not my problem . You know what puppy toes are ? Those are clubs . We call those clubs down here in the South Shore .

We call the clubs puppy toes . Yeah , because the clubs look like puppy toes .

Speaker 1

I don't know what that means , but it sounds provocative .

Speaker 2

When you play in spades . We call the clubs puppy toes because they look like puppy toes .

Speaker 1

My cousin called it the puppy toes .

Speaker 2

Yeah , that's when I'd be like man . I got a handful of puppy toes .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that is crazy .

Speaker 2

That's when you're talking across the board and niggas be like you say one more thing yeah , taking all the books .

Speaker 1

Taking all the books , but cool , you got to get up out of there .

Speaker 2

No , no , no , hold on , hold on . One more thing , boy .

Speaker 1

Wonder said he's the best producer of this era .

Speaker 2

That's not the one more thing . Nobody's concerned about that . Who said that it's not the one more thing , nobody's concerned about that ? It's not a thing . It's not a thing . He might think it's a thing . The male ego is powerful . We all inherently think more of ourselves than we probably should . Ain't nobody studying that shit ? Ain't nobody studying that , Sean ?

Speaker 1

That's what he said . He said he's the best producer of this era .

Speaker 2

What did he say after that ? Did he list off a string of classic records he just put ?

Speaker 1

dot , dot , dot dot . Oh , dot , dot , dot , dot , dot dot . That's what it is . Pause , you figure the rest out . You know what I mean . So he had that versus against Hit-Boy a couple years ago , and Hit-Boy didn't even have the King's disease and the magic running under his belt at that time .

Speaker 2

He didn't need it first of all . Didn't need it , Didn't need it .

Speaker 1

No , not at all .

Speaker 2

You and I were talking behind the scenes . You have to make a classic album . You need to make some classic albums . We literally just talked about Alchemist , didn't we ? Because that's what I thought we were talking about . I thought we were going to talk about the big Sean Alchemist . That's what we really need to be talking about .

Comparing Contemporary Hip-Hop Producers

Hold on , let me say this we talk about Alchemist the way that we talk about Alchemist because he's got classic songs and classic projects Hit , metro , madlib , pete Rock , q-tip . I'm talking about guys that have all done stuff recently . Like , even though some of those guys are older , they've all done stuff recently .

Like what boy wonder beat have you heard in the last three years better than saturday night special by q-tip ? yeah seriously , no beat wise , beat wise last three years . Q-tips first album came out in 1989 , sean First beats that he made that we heard came out in 1989 . It's 2024 . Literally 35 years later .

Yeah , and that guy makes better beats than you today and you don't have a low-end theory .

Speaker 1

No or a midnight garage . No , you don't have give up the good soft , the infamous nigga . In his defense he said it's error . He did say it's error . He didn't go back to the legends , he said Making an LL Cool J album now .

Speaker 2

Dr Dre just said he just made some of the best stuff of his career . Pete Rock and Common just dropped the auditorium Hitboy Metro . Alkin Big Sean about to have some work ? Conductor , we have a problem .

Speaker 1

In his defense he did say his name .

Speaker 2

Conductor . We have a problem . He got better beats than Conductor . No , when that's a slap box yeah .

Speaker 1

They're in the same room . They're in the same room . I give them that they're in the same room . They're in the same room .

Speaker 2

I give them that They've been here as long . That's what I'm saying If they're in the same room . Conductor just walked into the room a couple years ago .

Speaker 1

What is his biggest song ? You think what is his biggest produced song ? What Conductor Boy Wonder .

Speaker 2

Shit , I don't know that's part about the moment than how big the song does . If the song do big , that's good , but if it don't do big but it create a moment that is kind of just as big as being big Pause .

Speaker 1

Triple pause . I wasn't going to say anything because he was going crazy . You had a different inflection in your voice when you were saying that I didn't want to interrupt .

Speaker 2

You know it's almost time to end this stream .

Speaker 1

You was like yo , you kept saying it . I was like I ain't going to say nothing , my bad man .

Speaker 2

No , no , you're all good . Nobody can count on you . Anyway , we know who you are . That's why AG's family is tubing , you know , up the Mississippi right now .

Speaker 1

Yo AG , get away from Sheldon . Shout out to AG man .

Speaker 2

Tubing up the Mississippi , not down but up , because you know they're in West Virginia , so they've got to start to tube up .

Speaker 1

That is nasty .

Speaker 2

All I'm saying is I can think of a lot of guys better than Boy Wonder from this era . I'm not even sure if he makes the top five . I'm not even certain he makes top five for this era . He's not better than Metro hit or out . That's not happening . No , is he better than Mad Lib , do you ?

Speaker 1

No .

Speaker 2

No , he's four , so he might be fifth .

Speaker 1

He might be right there . Fifth , he might be , is he , though I might put 40 over him .

Speaker 2

I think you have to put 40 over him . Because think you have to put 40 over him ? Yeah , because his 40s Drake records are bigger than Boy Wonder's Drake records , aren't they ? They ?

Speaker 1

are ? They are . Didn't he do the joint off of Nas ? What song he did for Nas ? He did one joint . He did Trust . I think I think he did Trust . Did he do Trust ? I think he did for Nas . He did one joint , he did Trust . I think I think he did Trust . Did he do Trust ? I think he did Trust .

Speaker 2

Did that make the original album ? It did , I'm asking because I don't remember Someone fat-checked me , but I think he did make Trust . I feel like Trust was on the bonus , though . Hit Boy and Al are better better than boy wonder . Mad Max . Okay , it's early , mad Max is back . We're going to have to stop accepting the super chats .

Speaker 1

Your .

Speaker 2

Mad Max is crazy . Just put them up on the screen , don't read them out . Don't do that .

Speaker 1

Mad Max is wild . Mad Max is wild . He just goes left on purpose . Don't do that . Mad Max is wild . Mad Max is going wild , boy , he just go left on purpose . That's right . Double Truss was on Apple . Mad Max is going wild , but no , I agree , I think he's right on the outside . I don't see he's not .

Right now there can be a true argument that Metro might be the one for this era .

Speaker 2

Right now no , that's a legit argument . It's all about your preferences .

Speaker 1

Bye baby , that's what it was . Bye baby . Thank you , win or lose . Bye baby , yeah , this is your preference . I can see that I can see that . It's in his vein . Hit Boy , to me , has the most range out of everybody right now Because of what he's done .

You know what I mean , like the six albums , and now you're talking about the joints he had with his father .

Speaker 2

His dreams is crazy . Black and White's is crazy , that's what I mean . It's like he's making great hip-hop without the GOAT .

Speaker 1

Yeah , absolutely , absolutely . So he hasn't slowed down . It's not like he just came to stand still . He's continued to put out great production , great beats . So I would have Hit-Boy ahead of Boy Wonder easily , not even close .

Speaker 2

I got Alka-Head too , and Metro , I got Alka ahead too , and Metro , I got Metro and hit ahead Easy . This is .

Speaker 1

Alk's third or fourth go-around because you got to think about Alk was heavy in the early early 2000s . I'm aware , very aware , had a huge surge in the early 2000s .

Speaker 2

He's done records for Prodigy Jadakiss Styles , Nas , before 2010 , before 2010 . This is in the can he came up under . Cypress Hill Muggs taught him how to make beats yes , one of the best , one of the best . Muggs is one of the best that's what I'm One of the best , One of the best . I was about to say Muggs is one of the best .

That's what I'm saying .

Speaker 1

One of the best .

Speaker 2

It's about some boy wonder . I don't even know a boy wonder better than Muggs . Muggs been dropping shit . Muggs had a year , like two years ago , where he dropped like five projects he produced in one year .

Speaker 1

Yeah , muggs talent .

Speaker 2

Dr Dre is making missionary right now . It might actually come out this year . Still don't believe it ?

Speaker 1

Believe it when I say so Cool , we got to submit it by September , you got to submit it by September . I mean he said his boy never made a zero to 100 .

Speaker 2

Yo he doesn't have to . He made done .

Speaker 1

Yeah , he made Thun , he made legit .

Speaker 2

What do you want from him ? What do you want from him ? He's a banger .

Speaker 1

He's a banger .

Speaker 2

Blue Bands , 27 Summers . He made all those beats . Yeah , he made those beats Easy .

Speaker 1

Give me Thun all day .

Speaker 2

Thun is crazy in New York Thun all day . Thun is crazy than New York . Thun is crazy . Thun is my anthem . I'm a legit guy .

Speaker 1

I like legit yeah legit is the one , legit is the one , but Thun , thun just man . I wish Thun came out in the late 90s , bruh .

Speaker 2

I think legit going into the Thun is the best back-to-back song combo of the series . I think legit going into the fun is the best back-to-back song combo of the series . I think because hold on is Storm Run and Nobody next to each other . Yeah , storm Run and Nobody . And legit fun is the best back-to-back song pairings in the series the truth .

Speaker 1

The truth is dope , so I see you try . The truth is dope .

Speaker 2

Yeah , you really can't go wrong the 40-16 with it , all the beats on Magic are crazy .

Speaker 1

4016 is Meet Joe .

Speaker 2

Black 4016, . Speechless Joe Black 4016 . Hollywood Gangster . Those beats are crazy , Crazy .

Speaker 1

High level of production . Well , we couldn't do a 4016 .

Speaker 2

Sorry 4016 drop.16 . Sorry , you can't get that . The 4016 dropped , crazy , crazy .

Speaker 1

Crazy . You can't go wrong with that you can't go wrong with that . That's all on Magic . He was still trying to figure it out .

Speaker 2

That's one project . That's one project .

Speaker 1

Magic 3 . No , I'm sorry , kd3 is when they figured it out , that's when they mastered it . 30? , 30? .

Speaker 2

Reminisce . Come on , I don't know about that , I don't know .

Speaker 1

Yeah , get them up out of here , but we got Alton and we got your boy coming out tonight . I don't know , yeah , get him up out of here , but we got Al and we got your boy

Big Sean and Alchemist Collaboration

coming out tonight . Alchemist and Big Sean dropping at midnight what do you think ?

Speaker 2

before we get out of here , quick thoughts .

Speaker 1

I love it . I hope it is an EP and I hope that Big Sean proves what he want to prove on his joint . You don't go and get Alchemist just to have a regular rap-y rap joint . You go to get Alchemist because you got something off your chest .

If you're Big Sean , this is one of the examples of a great interview of him talking his shit , saying how he felt about being outside the Big 3 , and you go get Alchemist and you drop just a surprise joint for Midnight Tonight . I love it . I hope that it does something to the algorithms that people know that Sean is one of those .

I hope he changes it up a little bit . Where there's a little bit of inflection and passion in what he's rapping on this one I want to hear Sean take it there .

I want to hear him take it there because I think , lyrically , the ability is there , but I think the wittiness , the passion , the inflection , all those other things that can win the crowd over , I think he misses those things . I want to see if he's saying who he think he is , let's see what he can actually .

If he's saying what he , if he said who he think he is , let's see what he can do with this under alchemist . It's going to push him .

Speaker 2

So let's see what it's going to do for him . I told you behind the scenes that I'm as fascinated by this pairing as any pairing that I can think of in recent memory . Only because how about this ?

It's even more fascinating than the Nas and hit boy pairing that we just got done talking about , because Nas has a legacy in the history and hit boy had some sort of like kind of legacy in history . These two guys legacy in history matches up even less than those two guys . You know cause ?

It's actually the younger artists with the older producers and it's the traditional hip hop producer versus the one one of the modern day hit makers . Quote unquote . You know right , but but here's the thing I think sean has been feeling disrespected , like people feel like he can't rap rap . You know what I'm saying when I say rap , rap .

People think Sean can't rap , rap the way J Cole rap raps , the way Kendrick rap raps , and I think he feels insulted by that . And so if that insult is the motivation behind reaching out to Alchemist and creating this EP , I'm all for that . I'm here for it Because I do actually think that Sean can rap rap .

I think he's made a conscious effort not to , I agree . So if he is making a conscious effort too , I'm actually excited about what that sounds like , because this year has been full of good projects . But I've been excited about very little , sean , if we really want to know the truth , well , I agree , I agree , very little Sean .

If we really want to know the truth , I agree , very little has been exciting about this year . It probably is about the moments . It is about the excitement and Sean and Out coming together to do an EP . No , that kind of excites me . On some rap shit . Yeah , because I don't know what to expect out of it . I don't know how it's going to go .

I don't know what level of aggression we're going to get out of Sean . I don't know if we're going to get melodic , sample-heavy alchemists . I don't know if we're going to get intense teardrop beat-making alchemists . You know what I'm saying . I don't know if we're going to get big-sound alchemists .

I don't know what's on Sean's mind , necessarily , because he's been saying a multitude of things , a multitude of ways , and so this is actually one of the projects that has me excited and this is and and I want to let it be known what the expectations look like .

Well , it's hard for me to get excited about a nas and primo project because I've been studying this culture and a part of this culture for a long time and I know the chances of that happening .

Even with Dre telling me that it's coming out this year and that 11 tracks mixed down , it's like I've watched him sit down about Det , sean he did and how it's coming . He did yeah , he said yeah he did , he dropped , push , he dropped . I need a doctor .

Speaker 1

He did .

Speaker 2

So when I hear Dre and Snoop are coming , I'm like I'll be excited when I hear it . When I hear Nas and Prima coming , I'm like , oh , I'll be excited when I hear it . When I hear Nas and Prima coming , I'm like , oh , I'll be excited when I hear it , as in , if it actually happens , I will be excited .

But I know Sean and Alchemist is happening and that makes me excited . The only other moment that had me excited like this was the Pete rocking calm and it did kind of let me down some because it didn't live up to my excitement level . I want to be excited . I don't care where it comes from . Make the shit exciting . It's entertainment .

A lot of dudes know how to rap Entertainment .

Speaker 1

And Coop . That's the thing I think I'm more excited , based on the fact that he was talking his stuff on these interviews . This may sound crazy , 007, . I see you out there , bro Queens , get the money . No doubt Coop hit me , sean will . I see you out there , bro Queens , get the money . No doubt he said Coop hit me , sean will pull up on you .

No doubt , bro . That's love . I'll be honest , man . If I didn't hear Sean talk that talk on these interviews , I probably wouldn't have a lot of expectations for this . I'm being completely honest , but the way he's talking on those interviews it's triggering me to say he got to have something because he's talking too spicy in these interviews .

If I had not heard that , I probably wouldn't be amped up to hear Big Sean . I'm straight up , I probably wouldn't be amped up . I'm straight up .

Speaker 2

I probably wouldn't be amped up . The fourth option , on a championship team , on an all-time great championship team , is usually good enough to leave his own team Facts . So go to Dennis Johnson on the 86 Celtics . You know what I'm saying .

It's like , yeah , burt McKellen perished , but it's like , yeah , that guy's a finals MVP and a defensive player of the year . Yeah , heard mckaylin perish , but it's like , yeah , that guy's a finals mvp and a defensive player of the year .

Yeah , and so sean , just for reference point , and this is how I always looked at him in terms of his ceiling well , if you can rap on a record as big as mercy with a prime two chains , yeah , a prime conge and a prime , push a t and hold your own on a record like that that's that big , with those guys all operating in their respective primes for what

they do best . Because everything that 2 Chainz , kanye and Pusha T are as solo rap artists you can actually find on Mercy . They're all reflections of their prime selves on that record .

The fact that you can exist on that record with those guys and set the record off and have some of the more memorable punch lines on there , well , that's his ceiling , and so if he achieves his ceiling , he's somebody that is worthy of talk . That can rhyme with a prime . Kanye , push a t in two chains that is extremely high .

I consider that to be a list , if I don't . If it's-list it's borderline A to B-list . You got over a 3.0 ? Like 3.3 , 3.4 ? It's not a 4.0? . He's held his own 3.4 gets you in most of the institutions in this nation .

Speaker 1

Facts . He's held his own . He's held his own with him .

Speaker 2

He just held his own with him . He did H , he's at his own with him . He just held his own with him . He did so . He held his own with nas . Yes , couple times there to say so what ? So what is there to say ? Really , you know what I mean .

So it's like I hope this album is reflective of those talents , because for me , I I would think , if I'm him , that's the only thing that I really have left to prove Right .

Speaker 1

That's it , that I can do this . Yeah , like no , no , no , I do it like this .

Speaker 2

Like I do it like this , it's like no , if you put me , kendrick and J Cole on a record together . It really taught us to get at it .

Speaker 1

It's like I get , I get with them , I can get yeah at them as well . Same thing .

Speaker 2

I belong on your MC list , not just your rap star list .

Speaker 1

Absolutely . He paid his dues . I'm rooting for him . I want to see it Bring some excitement to this thing . I want to see it . Pause , let's get it . We'll be talking about it . We're going to review it .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , can't wait . As soon as AJ gets back from deep sea diving out to Chattahoo , we'll be talking about it . We're going to review it . Yeah , yeah , can't wait .

Yes , sir , as soon as AG gets back from deep sea diving out to Chattahoochee , we'll Yo Shout out to West Virginia man , you know how the West , you know how the West Virginians are , man , they be doing funny stuff , shout out to West Virginia man , Home of the brave . I told AG his family makes up half the black population in West Virginia .

They do , they do , man , they do . They're home of the brave , I'm about to get up out of here , man . You got any closing thoughts ? Concluding arguments ? No man Good show bro .

Speaker 1

No , sir , good show bro

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Speaker 2

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Speaker 1

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Speaker 2

I think next week AG's family is going ice water fishing in the Great Lakes in Minnesota . They're all around , everywhere they're everywhere you want to be , everywhere . Ice water fishing .

Speaker 1

In August Quebec can't stop us .

Speaker 2

We're headed there .

Speaker 1

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Speaker 2

Yeah , I'm going to hit you 007 . I got you fam .

Speaker 1

Peace y'all .

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