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Oct 06, 20242 hr 18 min
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Can a defensive powerhouse and a joyful humanitarian exist in one person? Join us as we celebrate the life and legacy of Dikembe Mutombo, a basketball titan who left an indelible mark on the NBA with his legendary finger wag and unmatched defensive skills. We reminisce about his contributions on the court and his philanthropic efforts off the court, honoring a man whose impact was profound but often underappreciated. The conversation also tackles the complex narratives of other sports figures such as Pete Rose, exploring the intersections of talent, controversy, and legacy in professional sports.

The show takes a turn towards the music industry, diving into the lives and controversies of artists like Chris Brown, Lauryn Hill, and R. Kelly. We dissect how their personal issues intertwine with their artistic journeys and public perception, questioning the ability—or inability—to separate the art from the artist. Our dialogue extends to the vibrant hip-hop scene, from the underappreciated legends who shaped the genre to modern influencers like Future and Cam’ron. Their contributions and cultural impacts are weighed and compared, adding depth to our discussion on the dynamic interplay between music and culture.

We round out this episode with a nod to the ever-evolving worlds of hip-hop production, sneaker culture, and the power of music playlists. With nods to iconic artists and producers like Metro Boomin, Hit-Boy, and Alchemist, we explore what it takes to be a standout in today's music landscape. The excitement of sneaker releases, like the Wu-Tang Dunks, and the timeless appeal of vinyl records keep the conversation lively and engaging. This episode promises a rich tapestry of sports, music, and culture, inviting you to reflect on the stories that shape our world.

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Remembering Dikembe Mutombo in Hip-Hop

Speaker 1

Where we at with it people , what's up , yo , yo .

Speaker 2

What it do .

Speaker 1

Welcome to Hip Hop Talks . Everybody knows who I am . I'm Coop .

Speaker 2

Indeed . Happy belated birthday , thank you .

Speaker 1

Appreciate it . Yes , sir , I had a great time . Special thanks to Ari . Dinner was lovely .

Speaker 2

Where did you go to dinner ?

Speaker 1

I went to this steakhouse Up on this side of town . I'm not going to drop their name Because I'm not into dropping location , but yeah , I went to a nice little steakhouse Up here last night .

Speaker 2

You went to Logan's steakhouse .

Speaker 1

No sir .

Speaker 2

How many trips around ? No sir Sir .

Speaker 3

You want to listen . That's the Logan's . That's the Logan's . How many trips around the sun , sir ? 43 . 43 .

Speaker 1

That's what's up , very blessed to be here so you're actually the youngest .

Speaker 3

That's crazy .

Speaker 1

Yeah , no , no , no , no , no . That makes sense because you niggas like talk like , you know grumpy old men a lot of the time , especially when you talk to each other . But that's the thing , welcome to hip hop talks . Click , like and subscribe to the page and , uh , you know , we're going to kick it off , unfortunately .

I mean , this is like this week was , um , you know , we lost a lot of people this week . Yeah , yeah , a lot of people this week , yeah , yeah . So we're going to start .

You know , I guess hip-hop is most closely related and associated with sports , and so Dikembe Mutombo lost , I believe , to over almost two-year , over two-year fight with brain cancer this past week . What are our thoughts about Dikembe Mutombo , the basketball player and the philanthropist ?

Speaker 2

AJ , you got it .

Speaker 3

All right , I'll kick it off . Yeah , this one , you know , of course it wasn't expected , but it hit me hard , man , it was like . You know , once I got the news , I was pretty much sad for most part of the day . Um , you know , the kimbei was a lot of my uh childhood informative years .

You know , watching them , um , as I was growing up , watching them patrol the paint , and you know , but even more so than that , you know you spoke to it a minute ago , coop .

He was a philanthropist and he was just a joyful , you know , uh jovial human being like he always had a smile of his face , on his face and he was a great ambassador for the game of basketball .

Um , you know , he has one of our uh most celebrated um moments , or you know , um taunts in basketball history with the finger wave and , um , you know , but he was just always good spirited man , like and I didn't even me personally , I didn't know he was having a fight with uh brain cancer like you would have never known it .

Um , you know , by all his public appearances , uh , whether it be , you know , at the nba all-star games or you know whatever at the NBA All-Star Games or you know whatever , he always had a smile on his face and was always , you know , he seemed like he brought a lot of joy wherever he was at .

So I want to say rest in peace to Dikembe Mutombo , man , one of the greatest centers ever to play the game of basketball , and you know , if we're breaking it down to just defensively , you know he's definitely up there , man . So rest in peace to Dikembe . That one kind of hit me hard . I'm not going to lie .

Speaker 2

Yeah , man , you think about the prototype centers of the 80s and the 90s and you know what their specific role was . He was that prototype Defensive player . Stop everything coming from in the middle , um , stop the driving of the lanes .

And no three-point shots didn't have to do a midi , everything was in the post , everything was right there and he was one of those . Um , you know the the finger wag , right , that's what notorious for um .

When I , even when I think about that , I think about jordan dunking on him and doing it back to him right , because not many people was able to do that , not many athletes during that time , big men or whoever you know got the best of him because he always protected the rim .

He didn't care about , you know , getting dunked on or he didn't care about getting posterized , he protected the rim . He was , to me , maybe top five rim protectors of the league long arm width . He was the one that was able to actually stop everything for penetration for the whole Right .

So for me , to the point kind of caught me off guard , because we heard nothing about his health . There was no conversations around it , there was no news around it , it just happened . And they say he was battling for a couple of years now and unfortunately succumbed to it . So again , you know , we lost another one , another legend .

It's a shock for the NBA world and I know that you know .

One of the things that we always talk about is , just every week we come in here , we talk about these things , right , and I don't think Dikembe received his flowers as much as he should have while he was here , right , talk about him being in the pantheon of the big men of the NBA and he's one of those prototypes , especially for a defensive player .

He's one of those . Rest in peace , dikembe .

Speaker 1

Where would you all have him all time as a center ?

Speaker 3

He would probably be for me towards the bottom of 10 , maybe like 9 or 10 , maybe just outside of that , maybe 11 off the top of my head .

Speaker 2

I got him a little bit lower . I got him a little bit lower . Because I got him a little bit lower ? Because , when you think about the big man being a two-way player , he wasn't really known for his offensive prowess , correct , he was like really the stopper , he was the rim protector , that was his job . His job was to protect the rim , and that's that .

They didn't go to Dikembe as a scoring threat , right , but that alone it pushes them down for me in that ranking group .

Speaker 3

I may have them closer between the 15 to 20 mark as a center . That's fair . I think 11 or 12 would be good , maybe for me .

Speaker 1

I think you know . If I may , gentlemen , are you , are you that ? Are you that ? I think 11 to 15 is the ceiling in terms of his all time ranking . I think 15 to 20 is more of the honest placement and objective placement because of some of the things that Sean stated .

But in his prime , sean , he was good for about 15 to 17 points a game , even with all those things . Because of offensive rebounds he had a little sometime he hooked shot that he had kind of came up with over time Like he had done some things . Like in his prime he was good for like 14 to 17 points .

So you know , he wasn't a total like he wasn't a liability on offense . Totally you know what I'm saying . Outside of mobility , defensively , as far as centers that I've seen , I think he is the second best defensive center I've seen other than Akeem Olajuwon .

I think that's what he should really hang his hat on , because outside of Akeem and Akeem is different , because Akeem Olajuwon and I think that's what he should really like hang his hat on , because outside of Akeem and Akeem is different , because Akeem has certain , like you know , abilities in terms of being able to guard different positions and just reaction time

and like foot speed and fundamental technique you know what I'm saying and it makes him a better defensive player than Dikembe , like overall all around . You know what I'm saying .

But like , yeah , like I mean when I think of Mutombo , outside of Hakeem , as far as the center is concerned , I can't think of a better defensive center that I've seen like in my lifetime . And he was even , according to people who knew him , a better person , a philanthropist and giver to every community that he had been in .

Like he did a lot of work when he was down here in atlanta , um , you know , I was talking to somebody who told me , yeah , he they're like he did the same thing when he was in philly , it's like .

So he had a reputation of wherever he was and just like being a really really uh kind , uh kind , open heart , gentle soul , really giving back to the community type of character . And so , like we lost a good one .

And , you know , somebody with a little bit more of a troubling history and a polarizing relationship also passed this past week and baseball's all-time hit leader , pete Rose , died . Now Pete Rose is not in the Hall of Fame

Reflecting on Pete Rose and John

. I just want to list off some of his accomplishments , if I may , right quick before I let you guys kind of dive in about Pete Rose Three batting titles , 17 All-Star Game appearances , one MVP award no-transcript with these numbers , especially when you think about the fact that he only had like 160 home runs .

Like how many guys that don't hit for power end up with these types of numbers ? and so I think sometimes in the scandal power end up with these types of numbers , and so I think sometimes in the scandal we forget the special player . But Sean , what say you ?

Speaker 2

You hit it on the head man . You've got to separate the scandal from the style , the technique , the skill . Pete Rose might be one of the best that we actually clout because of what he's done . I saw a clip of him teaching how to hit and how to play the game . And I'm like this guy . He knows his stuff and , of course , made a bad decision .

You know , we all know what that is , but you cannot take away his skill man . There's no reason why Pete Rose should not be in the Hall of Fame . Pete Rose , in my opinion . Honestly , if you're talking about pure baseball , I'm talking about pure baseball hitting , having an IQ , knowing how to run the base , knowing what counts all of those things .

Know how to run the base , know what accounts , all of those things . He might be in that top 20 percentile of those that played the game period because of everything that he's done for the game from a skill set .

Speaker 1

Do you mean hold on ? When you say top , are you saying top 20 player or top 20 percentile ?

Speaker 2

Those are two different things 20 percentile , 20 percentile , no , no , no . I think he's better than that . He captures . He's a total body of a MLB player , of a major league baseball player , the total body . I'm talking about IQ , I'm talking about skill , everything that you can associate with how the game should be played . He's the one .

He's the one , he's the prototype of what a major league baseball player should look like and also should play like from a skill perspective and from a mind perspective . That is my opinion .

Speaker 3

AG . Yeah , man , I , you know just kind of what Sean was getting at . I mean , he deserves a place in the hall . I grew up a Reds fan . When I was a kid , my favorite teams was the Reds and the Oakland A's . Those were my squads . How Just who . I gravitated to my grandfather .

I used to watch baseball games with him all the time and he was a Braves fan . His favorite player was David Justice and um , but I was a Reds guy , you know , um , you know I just gravitated , you know , towards the Reds and you know , I think you know , for all my life I thought Pete Rose deserved to be in the Hall of Fame .

Like Sean said , he made a mistake and you know , I think he was humbled by that mistake and I think , now that he's been laid to rest , I think that they should go ahead and put him in the hall .

And it's kind of one of those situations where you don't give somebody their flowers when they can smell them and it'll be bittersweet , but at this point I think they should just , you know , concede and let him in the hall .

You know , as he's laid to rest , I think that would be the right thing to do because you know he's one of the greatest to ever play the game . You know he made a mistake and I think it's a forgivable one you know , in the annals of the sports of baseball , so yeah .

Speaker 1

I mean , Sean , when you talk top 20 percentile , I think he might be a top 20 player possibly in a lot of ways . So that's why it's like , I don't know , he might be like top two or three percentile in terms of players .

Like if you were going down the list of players all time , I don't think he would be in my top 10 objectively , but I could see him somewhere between 10 to 20 , definitely no , no lower than 25 . There aren't 25 better baseball players all time than Pete Rose , in my opinion .

Speaker 2

So right , right , and that's why , I said 20 percentile because it's so many different layers . You can peel that . But if a baseball player , if you look up a power , you've got that power category .

Speaker 1

If I'm putting a team together , he's one of the first two or three or four players that I'm putting on my team . You know what I mean , because the talent's going to get spread around . It's like , yeah , I don't know if he's the first person I take , but he might be the second or the third . No , I'm with that . Yeah , no , I'm with that .

Yeah , I'm going to take like a Barry Bonds , albert Pujols , miguel Cabrera type of player first . You know what I'm saying . I'm going to take a pitcher second , but after that I'm going to take somebody like Pete Rose . So that's what I'm saying . This is like , oh , as far as position , players like non-pitchers yeah , like top 20 , 25 .

If you're including pitchers , he probably slides further back , but definitely top 25 .

Speaker 2

I can see that I'll struggle with it , but I can see your point .

Speaker 1

We should do a Hip Hop Talks baseball players list . We should rank our top 25 pitchers and top 25 players . I think , two separate things , because pitching is like a totally different science . It's like you know like . It is like like when you pitch in baseball . It's like doing physics when everybody else is doing chemistry yeah , it isn't .

Yeah , it's something different , like it's something different because like you're dealing with like , like , like you're at the center of it , you You're dealing with everybody else . So , like , that's a totally different like science to me . But as far as like , yeah , yeah , top 25 as far as position players in my opinion .

Unfortunately , we're going with more posthumous news John Amos , mostly known as James Evans on Good Times , passed away this past week . Guys . So you know they say it comes in threes . You know , feeling like it's just coming more and more every week . To be honest with you , like this is crazy .

He's most notably known for his work on good times is james evans . Of course , he was on other syndicated shows , like the mary tyler moore show . I mean , we all know him . He's done countless roles on like countless shows over the years , guys . I remember him on Fresh Prince of Bel-Air when he was playing the dad to Nia Long's character .

He's been all over TV , specifically , like you know , black TV . He played Tommy's dad on Martin . He's definitely been a part of our culture and a part of our life . What are our thoughts on his past ? And like what it means ? It feels like we're starting to lose a lot of those people that we grew up on , fellas .

Speaker 2

Yeah yeah . That's crazy because he passed away back in August and we just got the news this week . His daughter even said that she got the news when we got the news , which is crazy . That's wild Something with his bird put on Twitter .

I remember you were so happy when I gave you the you know , the power you like yo this is like , come on , like , come on , have some decorum .

Right , it's just nasty work , but that's in the hidden there , One of the first Black fathers of cinema , of TV shows and sitcoms , right , when you think about , you know the role that he played on Good Times , the stern father on Good Times , one who didn't play around , a strong father on Good Times , you know , and unfortunately they had some situations where his

character died off because they couldn't reach an agreement on the contract and everything . But he was the first father , the first Black father , if I'm not mistaken , of sitcoms and he , that character , portrayed a very stern , strong black man in .

Well , I think it was in chicago , right , I think good times is based out of chicago , based in chicago and during a , during a time when hard work with little money had to get the family through , and he played that part really well .

And of course he moved on to do other things in his career , you know , coming to America as Lisa's father , one of my favorite movies of all time . I don't know if y'all remember the Beastmaster as a superhero . I love that movie actually . But just the range man , just the range in his acting ability , being able to see him smile in Coming to America .

Speaker 1

I was about to say yeah , mcdowell , in Coming to America , yeah .

Speaker 2

Being in a role like that man , being in a comedic role , as opposed to being that stern father . I was scared of James Right .

Speaker 1

But it showed the range , Sean . It showed that he had range . See him be James Evans and then see him be like the militant guy on Martin , but then also see him be Mr McDowell on Coming to .

Speaker 3

America .

Speaker 1

He had great acting range . It's like , no , he could do drama , he could do comedy . Yes , he could do comedy , yes . He could do all things AG . What are your thoughts ?

Speaker 3

I mean , yeah , y'all said it all pretty much . Like you know , I grew up on good times . Like you said , we're losing all the heroes of our childhood , but by far my favorite role is Mr McDowell man , like you know , especially the scene where he's going through . He's like our buns they have no seeds . Like they have the Big Mac we got the Big Mick .

You know what I'm saying . And this biting culture where people steal your stuff and just tweak it a little bit . You know what I'm saying . But I've always found that you know to be my favorite role of his um , you know , and ironically enough , we just lost , uh , james errol jones too . So you know that .

You know , hit pretty hard all the way around the board and , um , you know , just rest in peace . And you know , um , I didn't that um news that sean just revealed about his daughter found finding out . When we found out I didn't know that . So that's something that has to hurt . You know , prayers and condolences goes out to his daughter for real .

Because that's , you know , I can't imagine that . You know , you finding out a month later about your father passing . That's kind of crazy .

Speaker 1

I mean , it's a little different out here . You know Any last words , gentlemen , before we slide over to the , when are we going ? Are we going to the vibes next ?

Speaker 3

Yeah , we got to change the mood a little bit .

Speaker 2

It's a little somber in here right now . Tighten it up Coop . Get us back on some good vibes man .

Speaker 1

Yeah . So guess what ? The vibes aren't getting any better ? No , because we have to talk about the fact that there is a whole documentary being done about Chris Brown and his domestic violence allegations against him . Yeah , and there's domestic violence allegations against him , yeah .

Now , Sean , like explain something to me , because I'll admit I'm a little lost on this . In terms of what does Charlamagne have to do with this , Sean ?

Speaker 2

So from my understanding , so they are doing . There's a documentary called no Excuse for Abuse and I believe Charlamagne is part of that . It comes out on October 27th , where it's like talking about the history of domestic violence , and this is Chris Brown's turn . So I believe this is something that Charlamagne is part of .

They're doing a rundown on allegations , old and new , against Chris Brown , on this documentary and unfortunately , I guess Charlamagne's input is like he might be moderating it , he might be one of the voices on it or giving like a small portion of it or what have you .

But I think that's his connection , because this is an actual series that they're doing not just for Chris but for others , and this , I guess , is his turn . They're going to focus , of course , on the Rihanna situation , but they say they have new allegations out there . They have new people coming forward .

I don't think Chris really cares about this too much because I mean , hell , I saw where he just actually just filled up an arena in Africa . They just sold out a concert in Africa . So just sold out a concert in Africa . So he's still moving business , he's still taking pictures with people Charging $1,000 to take a picture .

So I don't know if this is going to help or hurt , not sure , but that's Charlemagne's , I guess his attachment to this situation .

Chris Brown and Lauren Hill Controversies

Cool , we got some super chats . You guys want to get that real ? We got three strong super chats real quick if you guys want to get that .

Speaker 1

Man . No help on the birthday . This is ridiculous . All right , cj the Kid . What up , cj ? Put a dub on it . Hey , hope you guys are doing well physically and mentally . Just wanted to say thanks for the positive feedback on the best I did , coop . Hope I didn't disappoint . Also , hope you guys like the Nas art I did . Bless you guys . Bless you too , cj .

We're going to have further commentary about your work soon , don't worry about it . 007 , queens get the money . Happy late B--day , coop . What up , champ , I see you . White tablecloth . You know how we do always . Yeah , yeah , you already . You already know what I did . Yep , nice little , yeah , little , something , something , all right . And then Boogs , boogs .

What up , boogs ? Hope you had a great birthday , coop , I did , I did , I had a great birthday . Send Coop . I did , I did , I had a great birthday . Send them big hugs . Yeah , much love Boogs . Well , here's what I think about the Chris Brown thing .

I think you know it's a little ironic to me how this is happening when his star is burning the highest and the brightest that it's ever burned . You know what I'm saying ? He is officially that guy in black R&B and contemporary adult music , correct ? He's that guy right now , right , like this is his moment . He's sitting on the throne .

It's funny how all of this is happening when he's sitting on the throne . Like not to be funny , guys , but when the Rihanna thing happened , we were all in our 20s .

Speaker 2

We're all in our 40s now .

Speaker 1

That happened a very long time ago . We were all in our 20s . We're all in our 40s now . That happened a very long time ago . So the fact that it's like you know , like now , like right now , like right now there's a song on Life After Death . It's on this too , I believe you all know it well . It's called Play A Hater .

This just reeks of hate at the end of the day . Now , when I'm saying it reeks of hate at the end of the day , that's not to cast any aspersions . If he has actually been physically violent and not defensive in terms of his actions , I'm not excusing those . I'm just questioning the timing of the inquiry and the expose of it .

It just seems a little odd to me that it's happening now , because the reality of the matter is that , well , if he's going to be a part of this and you're really taking domestic violence serious , this is something that actually shouldn't have taken this long for you to come up with it .

That's why I'm bringing up the fact that we were in our 20s when the Rihanna thing happened . It's like well , if you're going to use the Rihanna thing , it's like well , I can just tell you , like you know , well , people change . You know what I'm saying . People also get help . You know what I'm saying . People develop . Like .

Nobody stays like necessarily in the same form . Some people do . You know what I'm saying . So it's like , how valid are these assertions Like , like , are you using Chris Brown to sell this documentary ? Quite frankly ? Because what if it's a ? What if it's a three-hour documentary and you're talking about chris brown for like 15 to 20 minutes ?

But that's what you've used to sensationalize the documentary and make it seem like damn near like it's like chris brown , like sean , the way that he got fed the meat from you and I'm not saying this like in any sort of way , I'm just saying journalistically , like the way the information that you gave me , it damn near looked like the documentary was just about

him yeah yeah , I guess that's the tagline there's no excuse for abuse .

Speaker 2

And I think it's number episode number two , if I'm not mistaken . If I'm not mistaken , it's episode number two yeah it just you know it .

Speaker 1

Just . It just had that type of um uncomfortable vibe to it . We're gonna do a couple of super chats and slides to the next vibe , tracy g with the five dollar super check . Chris brown will be okay . He has already did his own documentary where he discussed the re-re-ish and was honest okay , mad max with the 999 , up , mad Max , lol , no excuse for abuse .

Ain't Riri hit him first . Ct , the devil got some nerve . His allegations about the girl in the Army Bay should shut all of . He was on the R Kelly joint too . How ?

Speaker 2

Yeah , he's the last person that should be doing anything .

Speaker 1

There's nothing like a Mad Max rant . I'll hear Mad Max on that . He's the last person that should be doing anything . There's nothing like a Mad Max rant . I agree with Mad Max on that .

Speaker 2

He's the last person that should be doing anything like this well , that was part of my inquiry .

Speaker 1

You're the one that's doing this , are we ? Are we okay if you say so ? If you say so , maji , only if you say so , though . You know what I'm saying . So , okay if you say so . If you say so , maji , only if you say so , though you know what I'm saying .

So you know I've often made issue with a certain artist's lateness , but it feels like her lateness and some other things have caught up to her . Quite frankly , guys Praz is suing Lauryn Hill . Yeah , caught up to her .

Quite frankly , guys Pryze is suing Lauryn Hill and he is suing her for fraud , breach of fiduciary duty , breach of contract , breach of accounting , noncompliance , fictitious expenses being created and also her taking a portion of the budget that she was also in control of and then canceling the tour due to vocal strain .

So he is seeking an unspecified amount of damages . Ag , I'm gonna kick it to you . What say say you about Lauren Hill being sued by her own bandmate ?

Speaker 3

Lauren , better be careful . Man Probs get the feds after her man , that's crazy . You know , they're watching .

Speaker 1

You know they're watching , right .

Speaker 3

But yeah , when they first announced that they was doing the reunion tour , I knew it was going to be doomed from the start for better or for worse . Doing the reunion tour , I knew it was going to be doomed , uh , from the start , for better , for worse . Um , you know all the stuff that's alleged against lauren that prize is suing for .

Can I see lauren doing that stuff ? Absolutely , you know especially the like . You know ridiculous requests and expenses and all that stuff , and you know what I mean . I can see it , but you know . But let's , let's be real . You know he's trying to recoup these damages , but for the far as a reunion tour , who needed it more than Bronx , you know .

So you know I'm not mad that , he's mad that his , his money got messed up , you know , with this tour because he needed more than Wyclef or Lauren did . So I kind of knew this would happen one way or another . So I'm just interested to see how it pans out .

Speaker 1

But yeah , oh , that is crazy . So I mean AG is petty , petty . We should just start titling segments . Petty Talks About AG .

Speaker 3

I don't know what I said wrong .

Speaker 2

That's the crazy thing . If I'm the judge and Pross come before me with his case , I'm looking at him like what , Are you serious ? You just gave up some information on the Chinese Connect . What are we talking about here ? Nah , man Prowse is broke . Prowse is going to tell . He's going to tell he's a tattletale . He's a tattletale man .

Look man , god hasn't been relevant since Ghetto Superstar and he got outshined on Ghetto Superstar even then . So he doesn't have any money and he needed this . He needed this reunion tour . He needed this opportunity to put some ducks in his pocket and unfortunately , this is another group that we're seeing disbanded because of whatever .

Because of maternal turmoil , and Lauren , she doesn't care . Her lawyers say they're going to defend this . She says that on a Nas joint I'm trying to save souls . I bet it was bullshit , but she said it . That was a hard bar .

Speaker 3

It was a hard bar , but she ain't getting a pass still yet .

Speaker 2

She didn't get a pass for that . But nah , in all honesty he's suing her for breaching contract didn't get in the past still yet the past . For that you get a pass for that . But nah , you know , honestly , um , he's suing her for breaching contract because they had to cancel a lot of tour dates and eventually canceled the entire tour .

Um , which I think he probably been like yo , I need this money right now . And then she's like yo , I'm good , and your wife looked like i'm'm good . So now Praz is on the outside looking in and it's on for you , yeah , per usual .

But no man , coop , if I'm the judge , I'm looking at Praz like yo , my dude , like really , we still got some stuff on your head right now you want to do this . He shouldn't even want to be inside of a courtroom talking about it . He should stay away from all of that . But yeah , it's some girl behavior . Man , I don't like that Nasty work .

Speaker 1

I think you know Praz is broken . He's an informant guys , you know .

Speaker 2

Next subject what can you say he's an informant , guys . Next subject what can you say he's an informant ?

Speaker 3

You put a bow on that Coop .

Speaker 1

All right , glad we got that out the way . Speaking of some more lawsuits , you want to know what the vibes on the first part of this show . It's like , man , we got to get to some better shit than this . This is ridiculous . The St Lunatics are suing Nelly Sean . I'm going to kick it to you because it's apparently the thing to do now is sue .

Niggas Can't even steal on a nigga Motherfucker's a sue . Jake was right .

Speaker 3

He was right .

Speaker 2

Another group disbanded the St Lunatics . I don't think we care that the St Lunatics are being disbanded .

Speaker 3

You called me petty , you called me petty too .

Speaker 1

I'm just saying .

Speaker 2

You made me feel comfortable to speak my mind . I was trying to be diplomatic , so now I feel comfortable . Thank you for that .

Speaker 1

I feel comfortable when we do the VH1 behind the music . This is going to end up being the petty show . Be like yeah , I'm the petty show .

Speaker 2

Listen , who's checking for what is that ? Murphy Lee ? Who are the other guys ? I don't even know their names . Ali , murphy Lee they have one of the wackiest eras saying dirty and pure . Look , they're suing him for $50 million for the country . $50 ? They want a 50-piece . They want a 50-piece . They want a 50-piece for the country grandma .

Speaker 3

Country grandma went dominant .

Speaker 2

I guess the estimation was they're owed that because they contributed so much to country . Grandma Nelly had promised them $50 million worth . I don't think they're worth $ 50 million . I think they're worth a thousand . To be quite honest , 50 dollars , 50 million yes , 50 mil they trash . I'm not . I'm glad that they don't have anything going on .

I'm glad that this is a group that broke up . I don't want to see food just messed up . I'm glad that this is a group that broke up . I don't want to see food just messed up .

Speaker 1

I'm glad that this group is going to AG . We just can't continue to let Sean talk at this point .

Speaker 2

Thank you , ag yeah like .

Speaker 3

I don't know man . I hate to say that Sean was right . Okay , segment over Next segment , let's fly . I don't know man .

Speaker 1

I hate to say that Sean was right . Okay , segment over Next segment . All right , let's fly . It's time to get out of here .

Speaker 3

Yo man , I mean , I'm sure one of them will throw the case out for Ashanti .

Speaker 1

I really you want to know what we really got . To get to the point , my bad Cooper .

Speaker 2

Look how goofy they look .

Speaker 3

Sean ain't going to be allowed In St Louis .

Speaker 1

This is why I'm calling it the Petty Show . Are you watching this AG ? I already told you my bad . We got to get control of the boards . My bad man , we got to get control of the boards from this thing , my bad man he's doing this . He's doing this on a picture Like how many times do we have an HR department ? Is Todd's HR technically ?

What kind of team is this ? You want to know what we're going to have to talk about this .

Speaker 2

My bad .

Speaker 3

Man . What's the dude's name with the mask ? I forgot what's his name . I ain't going to be funny .

Speaker 2

I don't know Mask man . I don't know , I don't even know .

Speaker 3

He didn't ever rap , did he ? No , he makes it hard to do a show .

Speaker 2

He just didn't make rap did he ?

Speaker 1

He makes it hard to do a show , yeah , okay , so , jermaine .

Speaker 3

Sorry , I gotta ask , If they win the 50 , how much of a cut does dude with the mask get ? That's what I wanna know $10 .

Speaker 1

Like what cut does he get ? $10 . Like $100,000 and a 24-pack Heineken . What do I look like ? You know what I'm saying ? This is crazy .

Speaker 2

I'm sorry .

R. Kelly's Legacy in R&B

Speaker 1

Atlanta's own Jermaine Dupree says that now infamous R Kelly put the R in R&B . Do you mind if I kick it off on this one ? Guys , Do you mind ?

Speaker 3

Sure , are you yeah ?

Speaker 1

You know , here in this podcast world , for some years now , I have often referred to R Kelly as a nasty bastard .

Thanks , thanks , he might very well be that , but if we're just talking about the music , I do understand what Jermaine Dupri is saying in a lot of ways , because you have to understand that Michael Jackson and Prince , relatively early on in their solo careers , started making music .

That transitioned just to traditional black radio and black crap , like when Doves Cry might get played in R&B circles , but it's not your typical r&b record , and neither is billy jean , you know .

And so if we're all , if we're talking about traditional rhythm and blues , like you know , uh , otis redden , sam cook , aretha franklin , you know , if , like , if we're talking about what rhythm and blues is , is and represents , it's like , yeah , I don't consider him to be on a Prince or Michael Jackson or Stevie Wonder or Marvin Gaye level .

I don't think he's on that level , but I do believe , at the very next level below , that he is the first person at that level . You know what I'm saying , that he is the first person at that level . You know what I'm saying . And if you told me that you , some people , feel like he's on that level musically .

Well , if you actually want to include like all the stuff that he's written for other people , it's like well , shit , I really can't argue with you , right ? So he's like that . So jermaine dupree's not wrong , I think even with myself we need to learn to separate the man from the music . You know , music is fucking fire .

As far as male R&B solo albums are concerned , he has a better solo catalog , in my opinion , than Chris Brown and Usher combined . Like his solo catalog . Like his solo catalog , in my opinion , than Chris Brown and Usher combined . Like his solo catalog . Like his solo catalog , in my opinion , is better .

If you put their two catalogs together , you would have his catalog , and that's saying a lot in this era , especially with how the machine works , and by works I mean it doesn't fucking work .

Speaker 3

So those are my thoughts yeah , I think I think you're right in the , in the sentiment of the whole thing . Um , you know , stellar discography he has and the main point that you hit was the songs that he wrote for other you know , for other artists . Um , his pen was , you know , phenomenal .

But I do think , to a degree , the reason why , you know , in his case in particular , if we taking this on a case by case basis , um , it's hard to separate the music from the man , because a lot of the time , when you know artists is writing their music , they have a certain muse .

And for me personally , when I go back , you know , if I do hear r kelly song , it's not like I'm , you know , going back paying playing his records . But when I do hear one of those songs , for me it's hard to listen to because my brain automatically resorts to , well , like , well , who was he talking about when he made this record ?

Like , was it a , you know , saying very young underage girl versus , you know , when I was coming up listening to it , I thought he was talking about a woman . So in that way , for me it's hard to listen to and separate the man and the music and the art .

You know what I mean , because there's going to be like a gray area there where you're , um , you know , wondering about the muse to , uh , you know , create certain records , but but now for , like his , his pin game and you know all the hits that he had , you know , like I would , I would argue that too , that , um , nasty stuff aside , yeah , he has a better

discography than usher and , uh , chris brown .

Speaker 1

I do agree with that group yeah , they don't have a 12 play no , and you know , that's just not 12 play .

Speaker 3

I mean , the double album was fire chocolate factory . You know , I'm saying tp2.com . I mean he got the r album .

Speaker 1

They got a phone , baby , and like , um , when a woman's fed up and like all that , yeah , he's got . Oh , yeah , the r kelly album . We got you remind me of something and down low , yeah yeah , yeah , but mentally I have a hard time separating .

Speaker 3

Like I said , when I hear certain records , you can't really sing along to them with the fervor that you used to , because who is he talking about on them records ?

Speaker 1

you know , the more people I talk to ag , though , the more I hear you know things about . Social media has changed everything . Ag like if you think he's the only guy , it's like you know puff might be sitting in a cell right my nigga , but it's like yo , like he's sitting in a cell and a whole lot of other people .

Speaker 3

There's a lot of nasty guys out there , man .

Speaker 1

Yeah , and let's not act like it's just this generation . No , this has been a cycle that goes on within music . You know what I'm saying . So this is more . I'm starting to realize that R Kelly is really more of a poster child on the music industry getting exposed for his practices . I'm starting to look at it .

It's like he's not blameless for his actions , especially a lot of the emotional and psychological abuse . No doubt Because you're dealing with impressionable minds . No doubt you know what I'm saying , because you're dealing with impressionable minds , you know . But if we're talking about like behavior , like let's not act like it's not uncommon .

It is it is unfortunately , sean

Debating R. Kelly's Music Legacy

. What are your closing thoughts ?

Speaker 2

um , shout out to Mace . I saw Mace in the chat . Shout out to Mace . Mace been on in the chat . Mase been on fire lately In some of his takes . Mase been on en fuego lately . So shout out to Mase . Man From Roundtable , you doing your thing out there . Kid Real talk my respect . But nah to R Kelly .

Look man , Can you separate the sin From the talent from the music ? That's why I go with mine . Um , have I listened to any R ?

Speaker 3

Kelly joints in a while .

Speaker 2

Um , it's been a while . I'll be completely honest with you guys . Um , tp2 was one of my favorite joints . Um , you know , tp2 came out what 2000 ? I think .

Speaker 3

I was 20 .

Speaker 2

I was um pe 20 . I was peaking at that time my whiz . They used to talk nasty to my whiz back then I was 20 years old . Tp2 had nothing to do with that .

Speaker 1

Nobody asked you that . Nobody asked you that .

Speaker 2

I'm sharing , I'm baring my soul here . Tp2 has no skips at all .

Speaker 3

It's one of those right .

Speaker 2

He has a couple of joints and that's just . It's transitional .

Speaker 1

He got like four or five of those . That's what I'm saying . He's got like four or five of those A lot of those , a lot of those , the TP3 , like the reloaded joint . That shit was pretty dope too .

Speaker 3

It was .

Speaker 2

Yes . He lost it when he started getting that step stuff , because I'm not . You know I don't do that step in the name of love stuff . I think that was the factory . I know I'm trying to kill for this , but I thought it was corny , to be honest with you .

Speaker 3

That had the whole shot on fire , though man like that was it did .

Speaker 1

Chocolate Factory is a banger . My nigga Chocolate Factory might be better than TP2 , if you really , especially if we're talking songwriting . If we're talking songwriting , it is blowing fucking TP2 .

Speaker 3

I mean , let's talk about , like the controversy surrounding him was at an all time high during the release of Chocolate Factory and people just swept it under the rug because the music was so fire , you know .

Speaker 1

It was , it's not .

Speaker 2

TP2 . You know how TP2 started off Epic shit , man , you can't .

Speaker 3

And , to my point , the song on TP2 , the Greatest Sex . That's one of his best songs ever , but I can't listen to it with the same ears because I don't know who and what he talking about .

Speaker 2

You know what I'm saying it doesn't have to be you though .

Speaker 1

How about this With Jermaine Dupri ?

Speaker 3

You gotta draw the line somewhere , bro .

Speaker 2

You're right , you're right .

Speaker 1

Chocolate Factory might be R Kelly's most soulful album . It hits different . It's coming from a different place . You know what I'm saying . He had really never Some of those songs that he made . They weren't your typical R Kelly songs . You know what I'm saying . He tapped into something different .

You know , like he , he , you know , in a lot of ways I feel like it's like yeah , right , I don't know if it's his best album . I think 12 play is still his best album because it's just like literally every song on there is a classic R&B record . Yeah , but as far as his pin game on Chocolate Factory , that might be his best pin moment .

As far as his solo projects , you know what I'm saying If we're just talking about the writing , I can agree with you on that part of it .

Speaker 2

But TP2 , aesthetically , sonically .

Speaker 1

Beats on TP2 might be better . Yeah , you want to say the production on TP2 might be better . Yeah , the production . You want to say the production on TP2 is better . Yeah , I can maybe get with that , but Chocolate Factory is a vibe .

Speaker 2

Yeah , did Chocolate Factory have Fit On your Booty on it ? That wasn't Chocolate Factory , right ? No , that's TP2 .

Speaker 1

TP2 is . Fit On your Booty . You want to know what .

Speaker 2

I think I like the feeling on your booty remix .

Speaker 1

as much as feeling on your booty yeah .

Speaker 3

Change the topic .

Speaker 1

Rashad , I'm definitely getting out of here , right ? I don't even want to , right ? No ?

Speaker 2

I'm sorry .

Speaker 1

I totally opened up the conversation we may talk about R Kelly on this show comfortable again , which makes me uncomfortable again .

Speaker 2

I wish this was on TV .

Speaker 1

This has been almost an hour of bad news . Derrick Rose is retiring . It's been almost an hour of bad news . Who did this line up ? I want to talk to the human resources when this show is done .

Speaker 2

Shout out to Todd Super Chad School . We got a lot of them . They're showing love man .

Speaker 1

CJ , the Kid with the $5 Superchat . Damn , I meant to say beat us at you guys . Autocorrect problems . I dig it Also . Apparently a company made and they're selling a BBL Drizzy costume . It was in the Discord . That's nasty work . That's nasty work that I was going to let Sean and and ag handle .

Quite frankly , tracy g with the 20 super chat question listening to a pod point made the reason drake comes with music yearly is because he can . He can do to talent . Doc can't do music every year because the masses will see quickly he's not as talented as Drake Thoughts . I was pretty much saying that Drake has more in the well than Kendrick does .

It takes Kendrick longer to create because his creative well is not as deep as Drake's . What are your ?

Speaker 3

sentiments . I mean Drake can cook up easier and faster than you know . One could argue . Drake is not making the music that stick to your ribs . It's like fast food versus like a home cooked meal that takes longer to prepare . But Kendrick proved in the battle , you know that he could cook up quickly if he needed to .

Speaker 2

So you know , Sean , I agree .

Speaker 1

I think the most important part of the battle for Kendrick was actually the part that he showed that he could cook up fast . That was the big W for him in the battle .

Speaker 3

He was being antagonized that he couldn't do that . You know .

Speaker 1

He answered the call no no , no , question a gap in the skill set ? He , no , no , he's like that's not a gap , it's not a problem . Good for him

Debating Derrick Rose Hall of Fame

. Mad max , with the 999 super chat , r kelly , the king of r&b , and he has no peers and he is on marvin gaye level and kills better than prince . Now mj is over kills . Believe I can find with my graduation anthem , all five of them , right , mad Max ? Do you mean all five years you tried to graduate and failed until you finally graduated ?

Is that what you mean ? Is that what you mean ? Me and Mad Max are going to do addiction and writing class on the Super Chats . We're going to start editing the Super Chats . No , no , to start editing the Super Chats . No , no , no , he needs to be educated . No , no , no , mad Max can still learn , okay .

Speaker 3

You say he needs to graduate a sixth time . Is that what you're saying ? No , man .

Speaker 1

Mad Max is kind of stubborn . It might be seven . We'll probably have to do a couple turns before we get .

Speaker 2

Yo shout out to . Mad Max .

Speaker 1

The Queens get the money . Is Mad Max from Queens ? I thought he was from Long Island , sean , sean don't be knowing .

Speaker 3

Sean don't be knowing CJ the Kid .

Speaker 1

Yo yo , we're done with you , cj the Kid with his $2 Super Chat . What is R Kelly's best album ? Or top three , at least Quick top three . Can I get a quick top three from you guys before we get to the next segment ?

Speaker 3

I think we talked about them 12 Play , TP2 , and Chocolate Factory . I think that sums it up .

Speaker 1

I can deal with that top three . I can deal with that top three . Mad Max with the $1.99 Super Chat . First , 10 parts of Trapped in the Closet are classic . No , no , they're not .

Speaker 3

That's ridiculous man it was like 30 of them joints , wasn't it ?

Speaker 2

It was a lot .

Speaker 1

He's making Trapped in the Closet right now . Cj the Kid with the you think that midget there too . Cj , the Kid with the $2 Super Chat Coop . What is the illmatic of R&B ?

Speaker 2

12 play . That's a good one .

Speaker 1

CJ . That is , I mean , I think for most of us . I don't know if we're talking R&B from a solo artist . I mean 12 play for modern day times is in the conversation .

If we're just talking like an R&B album in general , like when I think of R&B , like in terms of , like you know before me , I think of Marvin Gaye's what's Going On , I think of Stevie Wonder on Intervisions and Songs in the Key of Life , you know , but yeah , yeah , 12 play would be up there , depending on how you would classify purple rain and um and

thriller um , can I say something real quick ?

Speaker 3

uh , for me I always paralleled uh off the wall , to um , to illmatic , and it was written a thriller .

Speaker 1

as far as their career outlook , I can see Off the Wall's disco-ish , but you could say that's R&B too .

Speaker 3

Just the sentiment of I put out a classic but Accolades is not doing what I thought it would do . So I'm going back to the drawing board and I'm going to come back bigger and better and knock it out of the park this time . And Thriller would be that it was written in that equation . I've always paralleled those for me . I dig it .

Speaker 1

I like that so keep raining on this parade that is Hip Hop Talks today . I like that . I like that . So , to you know , keep raining on this parade that is Hip Hop Talks today . Derrick Rose retired from the NBA .

Speaker 2

Yeah .

Speaker 1

He is the youngest MVP , at 22 years old , in league history . Amazing , amazing .

Speaker 2

Amazing Is Amazing . Is he a first battle Hall of Fame .

Speaker 1

I don't know . Sadly , I don't think he's getting into the Hall of Fame and I'm not sure he might become the first NBA player who is an NBA MVP to not get in the Hall of Fame , if I'm not mistaken , because , if I'm not mistaken , everybody who's won MVP in the NBA is in the Hall of Fame .

Speaker 3

But shouldn't that be a buy-in alone ? Because it's not just a regular MVP , like you said , it's a record , the youngest to do it so that in itself should be a buy-in .

Speaker 1

Okay , so how about this ? What if I told you that , like for a season or maybe two , derrick Rose was one of the two or three best players in the year ? But I could also tell you that about Grant Hill Absolutely , even though Grant doesn't have an MVP award .

I could tell you the same thing about Anthony Penny Hardaway Absolutely , he doesn't have an MVP award . And if you actually look at their careers , grant Hill and Penny had better careers than Derrick Rose . Are they in the Hall of Fame ?

Speaker 2

No , nope .

Speaker 1

No , their spear . Like Penny was looking like the next Magic Johnson and Grant Hill was looking like LeBron before LeBron in a lot of ways in terms of a guy that was going to go get you 27-8-8 every night 1000% . So when we're saying that he's a Hall of Famer , it's like , well , hold on , hold on .

We've had other great players with injuries , though they haven't had mvp awards , like you know , like they have . Like derrick rose is a three-time all-star and grant hill have more all-star appearances than him , right , hey , but two , just like him , have made first team all nba before both of them you .

So I think we just need to be fair and , like you know , that MVP might have been a little bit more lightning in a bottle and unfortunately , injuries are part of what comes with the game .

Speaker 3

You know when you play for Tibbs .

Speaker 1

I ain't even , I'm not even touching that . Sean . You're the supposed ball player .

Speaker 2

I am . Yes , I'll begin with this . This is a quantifiable fact . Grant Hill is in the Hall of Fame . He was inducted in 2018 , actually .

Speaker 1

That's college and pro , though you know what I'm saying .

Speaker 2

I don't , I'm just speaking quantifiable facts here . I don't , I'm just speaking quantifiable facts here I don't .

Speaker 3

I didn't know he was inducted . I didn't know Grayson got inducted .

Speaker 1

I can't wait till we get control of the board so we can cut your feet off at will . I'm telling you , that's the first thing . If I could do anything like man Sean is at a naval base in Honolulu .

Speaker 2

I'm just saying , I'm just here to help .

Speaker 3

You're a Duke guy Coop , so that's good news for you , I'm sure Good news .

Speaker 1

Great news that makes me feel good .

Speaker 2

Rose trajectory . He was on his way to be first ballot based on what we saw early before the injury , and it's sad because he was one of the most supposed to plays that we've seen .

This guy was carrying Chicago on his back and I really believe if he did not get injured in that series against the Heatles , when they had D-Wade , lebron and Chris Bosh , they had a shot at beating those guys . Absolutely they had the best record in the league that year In the league that year .

He was on fire that year and I think that year was going to be his year . If he would have went all the way and eventually get to the finals or win the championship , I think that would have changed a little bit . He would have got into the Hall of Fame . The NBA might be the only sport that has that leniency when it comes to Hall of Fame .

I still don't think he gets seen . I would be very surprised if he gets seen because you think about in a vacuum , he was one of the best but , like you said , with T-Mac he was never T-Mac . Penny Harden was a beast , you know , until he got injured .

Speaker 3

Webber didn't even get in because of injuries and stuff .

Speaker 1

Webber's not in well , here's the thing , real quick . Not to cut you off , sean , when you're talking about Grant Hill getting in this thing two time national champion , acc freshman of the year uh , acc player of the year , national player of the year . Acc player of the year , national player of the year . You know what I'm saying .

At one point he was the first ACC player to have over 1,500 points , 700 rebounds , 500 assists , 200 steals . You get what I'm saying . He had accolades and then he had NBA accolades very early in his career . D-rose didn't win no championship .

Speaker 2

No , penny didn't win a championship .

Speaker 1

Weber didn't win a championship . Those things matter when they're factoring into the Hall of Fame .

Speaker 2

When it comes to Naisman , Penny was a nominee but he didn't get in . He was a nominee , so they may or may not . You know he had a great what five , six years where he was considered one of the top point guards in the league during the Jordan era .

Speaker 3

I mean he could still get in because he has a coaching career . So you know , it's still a possibility , you know .

Speaker 1

He was on a trajectory to be a top 10 point guard all the time and that's saying a lot . He's a skill set Like , if we're just talking about his skill set , if he stays healthy he's going to end up being higher than steve nash , gary payton , uh , probably even jason kidd . You know like he , yeah , he's gonna be like in magic isaiah steph , like territory .

You know what I'm saying . Like he's , he was like , yeah , he'd be top five ish if he stayed healthy and like won some championships and stuff . Yeah for sure , yeah for sure . All right , finally some good fucking news . Finally the Grandmaster Awards . Gentlemen , two days , october 5th Award recipients Grandmaster Kaz , roxanne Jante , cool Moe D . Tell me something .

Fly about the recipients . Tell me what you think about this list . Oh , don't do that .

Speaker 2

Don't show it to me .

Speaker 1

This is what I'm talking about controlling the boards . I'm definitely right . Long letter to human resources in the morning . This is ridiculous .

Speaker 2

I hope he doesn't get up on stage and start doing the pop-locking stuff , man .

Speaker 1

What if he comes out with a jerry-curl wig on ? We can't trust this nigga .

Speaker 2

Goodness gracious , you can't trust him up on the stage doing pop-locking and making his pecs jump and stuff . Pause , nah , man , I'm excited for Kool Moe D to get this . Sean , of course , roxanne , shante Queens Get the Money .

And of course , grandmaster Kaz All very well respected Legends of hip hop for their own respective reasons Roxanne being one of the first females out there battle rapping at the age of 14 , 15 , giving it to dudes .

Honoring Hip-Hop Legends and Future's Impact

You know Kumo D , we know what he is , you know how you like me . Now , all of that stuff , man . Grandmaster Kaz , one of the founding fathers , it just I wish it got more press . I wish you got more , you know , more notifications and more notice that this was happening , because this is something great that Nas has been doing .

This is the second one and no one is talking about it in the hip-hop media , but we're talking about it here in Hip-Hop Talks . No one is saying that these legends are getting honored this weekend . There was no roll-up to it . No one is talking about it on a major press run , but we're talking about it here . So I'm grateful for that as well .

But shout-out to those legends , man , and shout-out to Nas straight up .

Speaker 3

AG . Yeah , I love the lineup man for various reasons . You know Shantae . You know she's one of the first dope female MCs , like Sean said , battling just . You know giving the business man Like , and you know her and Nas have a great relationship so it was dope to see her nominated .

Kool Moe D is one of the first early you know lyricists that was really put lyrics to the forefront . You know of the art and um . It's good to see him get in . But the one that I'm most happy about is kaz man . Like when we're talking about the legends and rap , kaz is probably one of the most unsung uh hip-hop artists ever .

You know , because a lot of people studied under kaz and um . You , I'm just happy to see him finally get his flowers like that . You know him as an honoree meant the most to me out of those three .

Speaker 2

No doubt .

Speaker 1

I'm really happy for all three . I actually got a chance of the three . The only one I've seen live is actually Kool Moe D . Saw him live a few years ago down here in Mableton . Three , um , I actually got a chance of the three . The only one I've seen live is actually cool modi .

Saw him live a few years ago , uh , down here in uh in mableton with big daddy kane krs1 and rock him and he was the first one to come on and he gave a great performance .

And then I realized , like for the first time , how important he was to this culture because essentially , you know , he was the opening act but in a lot of ways he was the guy that inspired those three guys that were coming on after him . And so , shout out to Kaz , shout out to Roxanne Shante , shout out to Cool Moe D .

I love what Nas and the people involved with this are doing . Uh , we need to , you know , just quite frankly , you know , support black business more because this is like good for our community , like our hip-hop community , like there are things being set up .

It's funny like , um , a few years ago on on a podcast far , far , far , far away , I bought up like hip-hop actually needing to unionize itself and people was like yo don't talk like that . They will truly like shut this shit down if you talk like that . But no like .

We are in that place , in that phase , where we need to start doing things like these award shows and stuff for our legends , thinking about ways to take care of our legends . Endowments , funds , grants , funds , grants , hip-hop schools All these things are realities .

This is part of the growth and development and we're the ones that need to be in the support of it , digitally and the brick-and-mortar aspect of it and in all the things . We're going to get to some super chats and slide to the next subject . Somebody told me that's the Ohio side of your family that says slide into the shit .

They was watching the show last week CJ the Kid with the $5 super chat . Hopefully we can tackle that Illmatic of R&B and find what is the undisputed best R&B album of all time . Like Illmatic is to hip-hop , cj , I would tell you . A lot of people would even tell you that Illmatic isn't their number one rapper . A lot of people feel like the Chronic .

It Takes a Nation to Millions . Doggystyle , the Purple Tape , equimini , peyton , full different strokes for different folks . Cj , our man with the 199 Super Chat piece . Where do y'all rank Brown Sugar and Voodoo ? I rank Brown Sugar much higher than Voodoo . I think Brown Sugar is 12 play like in terms of its brevity , but a breath of greatness in it .

But it's not as impactful . It's more of a genre shifting album and I have it pretty high . I don't have voodoo is how voodoo was inconsistent , but it has some very , very high moments great mad max with the 999 super chat . D rose was next up for me after kobe and b roy .

Brandon roy up in port , him retiring broke my heart and him and he going to the hall of bill Walton and D watch and Hiller in the hall . Rose can get in . I meant T Mac in . Okay , t Mac , right , mad Max , one 99 super chat . Rose is greater than Pippen with some shaky . Sorry , grant , no , just stop talking . Stop talking More .

No , just Mad Max , stop talking . Mad Max , stop talking More from Mad Max in a moment . 007 with the 199 Super Chat . News Flash Knicks got Catley coming out the East . You better be coming out the East . We're going to talk about that . You better be coming out the East with that roster . Better be coming out the East with that roster .

I want to hear some Queens get the money from UN007 this year , sean , when the Knicks play basketball . I don't want to hear no excuses . This year it's time to end the droughts in the Big Apple . Mad Max with the 199 Super Chat unfortunately , laugh out loud . D Rose did more than T-Mac . T-mac never saw a round two . That is so disrespectful .

T-mac had a better career than Derrick Rose outside of the MVP Awards . Tracy G with the $5 Super Chat Glad I was able to take my son to D Rose's MVP year against D Howard , rashard , lewis . Magic Rose was a beast . Yeah , he was . That year is one of the best years that you'll find as far as NBA players are concerned .

Speaker 3

But you know , unfortunately I think , instead of the Hall , one thing we should focus on is if he gets his jersey retired in Chicago . I think that would be a more realistic goal . That should happen , yeah , and he can firmly say that he's the third best player ever in that franchise .

I won't put him over Pippen , you know , matt Max , that's crazy but he can firmly say he's the third best player ever for that franchise .

Speaker 2

Is he third best , third best .

Speaker 1

I'm good with that . I'm good with that . What you going to do ? You going to bring up Jerry Sloan , the ball player , jerry Sloan , nah , I'll let their ball for now .

Speaker 2

Okay , I will allow it for now , okay .

Speaker 3

I thought Sean was going to tell us that he was on the roster and he's a third man . That's how he be doing , right .

Speaker 1

He's like yo , he's like . There was that time that I didn't sleep for 14 days , and then I pulled up to this game in Italy and I dropped 35 and two quarters and I left All .

Speaker 3

I can do right here , man .

Speaker 1

Okay . So fellas , future has just become the first artist to have three number one albums in one calendar year . Wale says Future is top 10 for his generation . I say that's crazy . He's much higher than top 10 for his generation . We have spent a lot of time , fellas , talking about the big three . Quote unquote Kendrick , drake and Cole .

I've been telling you all this whole time I was like this might be more of a four horsemen than three the hard way type of situation . And the future has been around the entirety of the time that all of these guys have had their careers and their peaks and their valleys and all that . And he's been here the entirety of his time and he still remains .

Because he remains with three number one albums this year . Yeah , do we have our big three wrong ? Do we have our big three wrong ?

Speaker 2

No Short answer . No Short answer . No , I agree with Sean . Yeah , the big three is who they are . Um , future might be in that second tier in comparison to the big three , because I'm talking about quality . Um , not quantity , not viral .

I'm talking about quality and I appreciate Future more now than I did before , you know , because of the fact that I mean hell , he's putting out good music right now . Is it great or stellar music ? No , it's a vibe , and I think in this era of hip-hop we search for more of a vibe .

And I think in this era of hip hop we search for more of a vibe than we search for classic music , because we're quick to call something classic , because we vibe into it . And I think that what Future has done was created a vibe in his three album run that he's done so far this year .

I don't think any of it's classic material , you know , I think the first one may be tap dancing a little bit , or great , but not classic . But it's a vibe , it's a good vibration . The things that he's saying , he's not saying anything new under the sun . This is who Future has been for the past . What ? 15 years ?

There's no range , but he is good at what he do . If you're good at shooting the middie , and that's all you got in your repertoire , keep shooting the middie , and that's what he's doing . He's shooting a bunch of middies . No three points , no dunks , just middies all day long .

Speaker 1

Respect the future , though .

Speaker 3

Go AG Real quick . I agree with everything sean said , but for different reasons . The reason why I think that the big three remains intact like it is and future would be , you know , four or what have you is because future is not a traditional mc in the sense of the word you know what I mean , or a traditional rapper like you .

We look at Cole for the lyricist that he is . We look at Kendrick for the lyricist he is Drake's not traditional either , but when it's time for him to bar up , he bars up , you know . And Future's more on the outside of that , you know , and kind of like Sean was saying , it's more vibe music .

So when we're talking about the big three as far as like rappers music , so when we're talking about the big three as far as like rappers , then I think he's on the outside , kind of looking in at that . But all that aside , if we're not talking rappers , if we're just talking artists , I mean , like to me , I think he's artist of the year .

Now , of course you got to factor in what Kendrick did in the battle . That's major , but I mean this is nothing to sneeze at . Like three albums in the battle , that's major , but I mean this is nothing to sneeze at . Like three albums in the same year and all of them go number one . I mean that's heavy , that's heavy .

So you know , just on the artist side of things , like Future might be the artist of the year . If not , he's a very close runner-up , and the only reason why Kendrick gets it is because of all the fanfare around the battle .

Speaker 1

So a couple things . First of all , you're not winning no damn Artist of the Year without an album . It's October , ain't nobody trying to hear that You're not winning no Artist of the Year without a damn album . It doesn't have an album . It doesn't have an album . I'm with you , I'm with you . Are you with me ? I'm with you , I'm with you . Are you with me ?

I'm with you . Man , I don't know , ag , you might be running covert operations for the Kendrick camp .

Speaker 2

I think so too . I'm going to say it , but I think so too .

Speaker 3

Hey man , I got on a cold shirt , so I ain't running . No operations for Kendrick .

Speaker 2

I know him .

Speaker 1

All right , what I would tell you what I would tell both of you , is that it's conversational . He's done enough , so he's not , first of all , all four of these niggas , be doing some sing-songy , scatting-ass stuff that's not quite traditional rap .

Speaker 3

True .

Speaker 1

All of them Kendrick , drake , cole , definitely Future . Now they may not be mumbling like Future mumbles on some shit , but them threesome old singing and talking in different tone and voices and doing some , yeah , they all do that . Part of the era Part of the era .

Like thank Kanye for making 808s and Heartbreaks Album's not any good , and neither is most of the time when niggas do shit like this , but anyway , he has the hits though , guys . He's got the hits , he's got the hooks , he's got the numbers , he's got the number one albums , he's got the influence , the sound that exists down here today , still to this day .

Oh no , he's still the poster child of that . He's still the poster child of that .

Comparing Future to Cam

Thug had it being conversational . You know what I'm saying , but we all know what's happened with that and it's like no , it's like no . I told you my cousin , mark Jr . His dad is the one that put me on the hip-hop . You know what I'm saying . Slick Rick was his goat . His son's goat is Future . He's raised down here in Atlanta , Georgia .

Future's influence is like that where people , when Wale is saying , oh no , they think he's top ten , it's like no , there are niggas down here that think he is the greatest , you know . And if you're looking at , like where he places for his era , it's like no , he has a conversational argument With anybody .

Until you get to the actual lyrics , part of it is what I would tell you . Like if we were making a criteria list . He would actually beat Drake and Kendrick and Cole at a lot of stuff , but of the rapping variety . You would say that he would . He would lose some of those things . You know what I'm saying . Like he would lose storytelling .

You know what I'm saying . He would lose , you know lyrical , you know ability . You know what I'm saying . Like he would that stuff but he wouldn't be losing a lot of the other stuff . To him it's like who got a better flow than Future of those three guys ?

Speaker 2

Truly , I think Cole is still better . I would say Cole and Drake . Do you think , cole ?

Speaker 1

and Drake have a better flow than Future .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I think so . I think so . Future finds pockets . I think Cole and Drake have a better flow than Future . Yeah , I think so . I think so , I don't know man .

Speaker 1

Future finds pockets on beats and it's hard to catch some of the pockets that he catches Because it's more melody-driven and it's Bob Drake , Drake . You're talking about Future being melody-driven , but you said Drake has a better flow . Drake's not melody-driven .

Speaker 3

No , he's melody driven , but when Drake is rapping versus Future rapping , I still think Drake has a better flow . Yeah .

Speaker 2

I can't remember anything . Future says I can't go back and say this is Sean , don't make it disrespectful . No , I'm not being disrespectful . I mean that by saying like can you recite a future verse ?

Speaker 3

No , not me .

Speaker 2

So how am I ? I'm just saying you can't recite a future verse . You don't go back and say , whoa future , did this Even melodic ? You can't say , oh , he did this melodically , right . You can say that for Drake . You can say that for Kendrick . You can say that for Cole .

Speaker 1

You can say that for Drake , you can say that for Kendrick , you can say that for Cole . I mean in a lot of ways for me . I look at him in terms of Southern standards and aesthetics the way I look like Cameron for the East Coast , you know .

Speaker 3

You want to explain that a little more .

Speaker 1

Yeah , like , not your quote-unquote most traditional lyricist , even for his region and for his era . But if you look at everything else that he did in terms of what quality of songs , dope albums , impact on the culture , impact on the city , impact on the movement , impact on hip-hop , you know what I'm saying .

Speaker 3

Doing numbers like , yeah , like yeah , interesting , nah I'm rolling , I I'm rolling . That's an interesting comparison Future numbers-wise is way beyond Cam .

Speaker 1

No disrespect to Cam Future's in that Drake , eminem , stratosphere damn , when we're talking about numbers , you know what I'm saying . It's not like he's somewhere on some other playing field . No , he's on that playing field with them .

Like , as far as numbers are concerned , for most of his career I feel like he's done numbers that are better than even like cole and kendrick . I would have to check to be sure , but it's like I know it's comparable he's doing . Yeah , they're all comparable .

Speaker 3

Yeah , yeah , what's the conversation is what I would say I like the comparison to cam , though I , you know , I never really you know when you broke it down , though , nah I'll roll with that like .

Speaker 1

Like when you look at cam , nobody looks at . Cam has a nas j or big and he's not really even looked at like a 50 array or ghost or jada kiss . But if you look at like , what he does and how he did it and how he made it work , it's like it'd be the same thing down here .

It's like , well , he's not andre big boy or celo on the mic , you know what I'm saying and he's not ti ludicrous . You know what I'm saying .

Speaker 3

But if you actually look at what he did ?

Speaker 1

he deserves to be like hovering around . Like you know what I'm saying yeah , the impact .

Speaker 3

The impact is uh major , you know , with future , just as it was with Cam and one of my closest homies , his favorite rapper . He acknowledges he's not the best rapper of all time , but his favorite rapper of all time is Cam , because of the impact and , stylistically , what he brought to the game that other rappers wasn't bringing .

And , to your point , future brings something stylistically that Drake , kendrick or Cole doesn't bring . You know so , you . So I'm rolling with your analogy .

Speaker 1

Dig

Hip-Hop Producers and Nicki Minaj

it . Let's slide to the next conversational piece , which is with Future having these three number one albums and a producer by the name of Metro Boomin obviously being heavily involved . People are asking is Metro Boomin the best hip-hop producer today ? I don't think so I would put him third AJ go ahead , tell me your rationale , give me your thesis .

Speaker 3

Metro he comes with the hits and you know , I acknowledge that . But just for me personally , the aesthetic I look for , I would rank Hit-Boy first for all the range that he shows . He doesn't have the hits that Metro has , but the range that Hit-Boy displays .

I think Hit-Boy even on one of the verses that he had with him in the song I believe it was with him and Alchemist he was like talking about like yo , I never heard Metro do boom , bap or whatever . You know what I'm saying , where he was talking about other producers . So I think Hip Boy has a little bit more range so I'll put him first Currently .

Al I would put second right now . I rank Al higher than Hip Boy all time , but currently I'll put him second to Hip Boy . Al is just killing the game right now and he's been in the game for 20 plus 25 years or more . And Metro I put in a close third to them .

But I mean , it's not like it's not , it's narrow margin between's , not , you know , it's a narrow margin between each placement .

Speaker 2

Sean , I agree and I keep mine very short . Metro grandioso , sound Right and I think that sound is loud . But when I think about who I prefer , who I think is doing it better , more range . I would go with Al and BitBoy Straight up .

Speaker 1

I'm going to echo you all's sentiments for the most part , but I want to offer it with a twist , I think , in terms of actually like I often . Here's another analogy I make . Let's see if you latch on to this one as well . I look at Metro in a lot of the ways that I look at J Dillon as a producer .

Well , if you're just talking about a beat , there's nobody better to get a beat from .

But producing goes beyond a yeah , and so what I will tell you is is that , oh , he's the best beat maker , but he's not the best producer because he doesn't have that project , and usually most of the guys that we have like tops in the area usually have one or two or three projects that are reflective of their production status in totality , not just the beat

making can I ask you something with that analogy though ?

Speaker 3

yeah , is that ? Do you think that that's because of the artists that he choose to collaborate with the most ? You got your Futures , you got your 21s . They may not have that capability to make Stone Cold Classics , whereas an Al and a Hip-Boy are spreading their sound among more rappers that are of that ilk to make classic material .

Speaker 1

No , absolutely , because Hit-Boy wasn't in this conversation until these Nas projects and it's not because I think Nas is the greatest MC of all time . It's because he didn't have the rap projects that reflected placing him in the conversation as a producer .

When we think about our greatest producers , we're talking about the owners of some of the best moments that we've experienced in rap . The reason that I have Dr Dre at number one is because , well , I mean , quite frankly , before 1995 , he made Straight Outta Compton , niggas For Life , the Chronic and Doggy Style . It's before 1995 . It's before 1995 .

He did all of that . And that's not even like digging totally into everything . That's not the above the law album . That's not the above the rim soundtrack . That's not the murder was the case soundtrack . You know the Friday soundtrack . He did keep the heads ringing on the Friday soundtrack easy solo joint yeah , easy does it .

The DLCs no one can do it better . It's before 9-5 . So when we talk about Dr Dre even for his great , his beat-making does don't you all notice how we always go to his albums ? When we talk about Pring , we talk about moment of truth . We talk about stepping to the arena .

When we talk about praying , we talk about moment of truth , we talk about stepping to the arena . When , when we talk about Kanye , we talk about as a producer , we talk about his contributions to the blueprint . We talk about B , talk about Daytona .

On an artist level , we talk about his first run of albums graduation , late registration , college dropout , my beautiful , dark , twisted fantasy like we talk . Like , when we talk about them as producers , we talk about the albums that they have created .

And what I'm saying is is that , well , the only reason that he's not in the lead is because he hasn't even made one album yet ?

I think that reflects the high level quality of beats that he actually makes , because if I wanted a beat , he would be the guy I'd go to , but if I wanted an album , I would take his beats and have Hit put it together for me . Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 3

I mean to your point , and I don't want to get Sean started on this rant again , but to your point , Metro doesn't have a body of work , even on the level of Alfredo .

Speaker 1

to me , yeah , he doesn't have an Alfredo . No , no , I agree , I agree with that . Yeah , and that , and that is part of it . So you know what I mean , but we'll see what he do with this . He's got time . It's not like you know what I mean Still relatively young man , it's not going anywhere . The game . Know what I'm saying ?

Our rap we're literally listening to the dudes we listen to in our teenage years . They're still making albums and projects that was unheard of when we were kids . So right , yeah , so hip-hop's in a different space and a good space . And nikki , apparently , is in a good space too , because she has recently announced that she is no longer with young money .

Like , is this news at all ? Fellas ? is nikki not being with young money news , because this news at all , fellas , is Nicki not being with Young Money news ? Because this is one of those things . I kind of assumed that it already kind of happened anyway . It just wasn't any official , yeah , I thought this was , I think , years ago .

Speaker 3

Yeah .

Speaker 1

I feel like this has happened a long time ago . It's just now getting announced , I guess because you know no such thing as bad publicity , like 50 said .

Speaker 2

Yeah , sean , what do you think ? I think the biggest piece of that was that she's been Republic now and they are in the final stages of finalizing that deal Because she's not with Young Money or Cash Money anymore , so now she's going to be with Republic . I think that's the bigger news , that's the attachment to it .

Her not being with Cash Money and Young Money is pretty much like just the end of that era , if you will , and now it's entering into a new era for her as an artist , with Republic , which is a bigger you know , a bigger situation than anything else .

Yeah , it probably happened years ago , guys , maybe a couple months ago , but now she's feeling more comfortable talking about it because they're close to the end of that deal , or actually finalizing that deal with Republic . So that's why she's talking about it now .

Speaker 3

Two takeaways real quick . Like Sean said , this is the end of an era . Um , just looking back of it , back on everything , I don't think it's . You know you might have said this on another show . I don't think it's been any collective or label as successful as young money , cash Money .

As far as their flagship artists , with the superstars that Nicky and Drake became after Wayne was already one of the brightest superstars that we've seen . I can't think of anything that comes close from Rockefeller to just had Jay as the superstar , rough Riders , x , murder Inc . Ja Rule and Ashanti .

But the only thing I can think of is Bad Boy with Big Puff and Mace , and that was within a short , condensed , like two-year time span where you know they were larger-than-life superstars . So it's the end of an era and that's kind of sad to see . But it's a new chapter for nikki going forward . Wish her the best .

But I was talking to one of my homies the other day . He brought up a good point . He said nothing would smash the game now .

Uh , in the current state , with drake losing the battle , wayne getting um not getting his due to do the super bowl and you know , nikki kind of transitioning , um , nothing would smash the game now like a Young Money , cash Money compilation album with the three of them Just 10 bangers , like you know what I'm saying .

Like seeing Green , like that level joint that'll smash the game right now . But that's just speaking of hypothetics . I know that won't happen , but it would be dope to see but it would be dope to see .

Speaker 1

So , very briefly , I would tell you that , as far as dynamic trios are concerned , there was that brief moment of time and it's funny I'm about to mention dr dre tice well , there is dr dre , ice cube and easy , and there was also that brief moment in time of Dr Dre , snoop Dogg and Tupac , right , yeah , so you know , albeit for about a year , or album , or

very brief material , I would tell you that there have been comparable moments of having three like megastars like that Like you know what I'm saying Like in the same room , representing the same crew . In that sense , I think we haven't seen anything like it in the modern era . I think it's kind of ironic .

They've all gone through rough patches a little bit this year for various reasons , and so I think one of the topics that we're actually going to get to in the next segment , it would be a good way of actually , like you know , um , flexing some muscle , respectfully , but I think this is just .

You know business and politics , as usual , you know what I'm saying . Like , really , you know like people grow . You know people have their own teams , people have their own visions , people have their own dream , people want their own slices of pie . People fulfill contractual obligations and they move on . So we're going to move on to the next subject .

Beyonce Controversy, FIFA Halftime Show

It seems that the old girl , bae , didn't get no hay at this year's CMA . Beyonce went zero for 17 at the CMAs . Guys , I'm not even going to say it , ag , what do you think is motivated by this zero for 17 for an icon , a superstar , a legend ?

Speaker 3

I mean , a lot of people didn't really accept . You know , in the country , in the country music spirit , they didn't accept beyonce making the album . You know what I mean . They didn't look at it . I put it this way . They didn't welcome her to the genre , so to speak .

Um , so I'm not really surprised by this and , um , I wasn't moved by you know her merits on doing the album in the first place , because you know it came on the heels of getting snubbed and taylor swift winning everything . So it's like you know I'm a shift and do the country .

And you know , and , granted , you know she's dipping into different genres with the house and dance music , with the Renaissance album , and then you know the country music .

But I mean , I think that just playing to the , to the people , for the sake of accolades you know what I'm saying Like , and I can't speak to Beyonce if that's really in her heart that she wants to do but to me it just looked like a move , like , okay , well , I'm going to make y'all recognize me by tapping into y'all's genre of music .

You know what I mean . And it don't surprise me that she's going to come up empty-handed because she wasn't welcomed .

Speaker 1

Anyway , she wasn't welcomed anyway , sean , what do you think about Beyonce not being welcomed to the hoedown when we welcome all these white rappers to the barbecue ?

Speaker 2

No surprise , man CMA's very guarded and I don't think they accept her as a country artist because of the contemporary aesthetic of the album itself . It blends into two different arenas and you can hear it and I think some of them looked at it as a lot of like a gimmick , like how dare you come into my genre and make a mockery of it ?

And I'm not saying that's what they're saying , I'm just saying that's part of the feel . I spent some time in Nashville . You know country music city .

Speaker 3

You know music city Right and they don't play it down there , they don't play it downtown in Nashville , nashville .

Speaker 2

And again , I think it goes back to just it . It blurs the line of if it's country music or if it's contemporary . There's two totally different entities . Now I can't see them allowing her . I'm not surprised she didn't win it . Honestly , they were talking about it before it even happened that they weren't going to accept that I'm not surprised by it at all .

Speaker 1

I'm not surprised by it at all . I think that this is another classic case of the disparities that take place even in the music world , with how much our music rhythm and blues and hip hop have been appropriated by our white counterparts . So let's say this album isn't good , because it's not . But it's really not about that .

It's about a level of appreciation and respect for a great artist , and it feels like the doors have been closed on her in a lot of ways , and so it's just one of those things we just need to keep an eye on and be mindful , like , yeah , still see , it's 2024 , because at the end of the day , it's still got those vibes .

I don't care if this black girl from Texas is the most famous thing in the world . We're not letting her in here . You know it's got that type of vibe to it as well . It's just one of those things we need to be mindful of and pay attention to .

I'm about to get to these super chats and then we are going to move to our next segment that I can't wait to talk about Mad Max 199 . I said Pippin with some shake . Who is Grant Hill , first of all . You ever talk about Grant Hill like that again . Mad Max , I'm going to see you next time I come to NY .

Andre Miller , the streaming era is disqualified from talking numbers . No , we can't do that . They just , you know , they just don't know how to count Mad Max with the $9.99 super check . Big 3 is a myth . It's Drake and then the rest , and Future is closer to Drake than Dot and Cole . I mean , who bumping Dot ?

Performance art play raps and Cole's my first piece of cookie rhythm and blues song . Yo , mad Max is wild . Mad Max is wild . Sean , are you a Mad Max related ? Is this your cousin ?

Speaker 2

No man .

Speaker 1

Mad Max once again with the 999 Super Chat . Thanks Mad Max . Once again with the $9.99 super chat . Thanks Mad Max . Lol , if we being honest , based off impact and influence , drake , future and probably Nikki Lace , dot and Cole never influenced nobody . They just co-signed by Hov and Dre , who Dot and Cole's son is JID . Mad Max is feeling disrespectful tonight .

We got to keep Mad Max off the yak , all right , I mean as long as he's super chatting . Andre Miller with the $2 super chat . All CMYB artists are broke or slaves . Okay , andre , tell us how you really feel playing , all right . Well , guess what we're about to do ?

We're about to potentially talk about some more former cmy and b artists because fifa has decided that they are going to do a halftime show that actually rivals the super bowl halftime show . I think this is an extremely big deal , fellas , because fifa has a global reach that quite , quite frankly , our Super Bowl doesn't even have . This is the global game .

The two biggest stars , actually , for the better part of our adult lives , have actually been Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo in terms of actual worldwide notoriety . Those are football players . So what do you think about FIFA having a World Cup halftime show ?

What do you think about the fact that it seems like Drake has already been easing his way into the conversation ? Are we going to see a potential break ? Lil Wayne , nicki Minaj at the FIFA halftime show for a global audience ?

Speaker 2

I can't see it . I can't see it . I'm going to be honest with you . I can't see it because , if Drake gets it , that's going to be major by itself .

And here's why FIFA doesn't cater to what we think it should cater to , because there's an African artist out there that's selling massive records more than anybody that we have in America combined , more than anybody that we have in America combined .

There's another artist out there that's selling massive records that we know nothing about , we don't even know , we can't pronounce their name , and that's what their halftime show gonna look like . They're gonna go with someone that is massive across the pond , as opposed to taking someone an American and like a Lil Wayne or Nicki and bring them on stage .

If Drake gets it , he's putting his . I think he's trying to politically get in there , but if Drake gets it , it will show what kind of draw he really has globally . Honestly , well , sean .

Speaker 1

Not a short shot for him .

Drake, Wayne, and COLE

Next World Cup's being held in North America , though .

Speaker 2

That's what I'm saying .

Speaker 1

This would be the opportunity to make it a hip-hop-based format . Think about it With Drake , if it's going to be Canada United .

Speaker 3

States of America and Mexico .

Speaker 1

Will Drake and Nicki and Wayne give you two of the three continents in one collective already ? Yes , you've got shit on lock performance wise , you can sprinkle in a little , you can pick , you know whoever the biggest mexican artist is , like like right now , and like maybe have them share the stage .

But I mean it , it's kind of it's kind of aligning for it to happen . Drake's from Canada , wayne's from New Orleans , nicky is from Queens Get the money . It's like man , you got Southern representation , you got East Coast representation .

Speaker 2

But Coop , they don't care . That's a different representation . That's a different demo . They don't care about those guys , straight up . That's a different demo .

Speaker 1

They get Julio Chavez to come out there this is where we have to cut Sean off again . I'm just saying .

Speaker 2

I'm keeping it a buck . They got some Julio Chavez that come out there and go crazy and people are fainting like who is this guy ? He's killing it . I'm telling you .

Speaker 1

Next time don't keep it a buck , keep it a quarter . Ag like .

Speaker 3

Yeah , I hear you , sean , but you know I hope Drake gets it and you know if Drake does get it that'll be major .

It'll be a huge counter to what is kendrick's super bowl halftime show and for that reason , since wayne got , you know , snubbed , I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that if drake secures it , that he doesn't bring wayne out there , you know , for a short little set , because you know the reference that he has for wayne .

If wayne you , with the whole Superbowl in New Orleans , him not getting to perform , I don't see any situation where Drake gets it and doesn't bring Wayne out . That's just me . But Drake has the secure at first . Right now it looks like you know it's lining up as such .

But to your point , sean , it might be somebody we never heard of , but if , if Drake does get it , then that'd be a pretty good counter to Kendrick at the Super Bowl and I'm here for it . You know what I mean Because you know the battle's still kind of going in a different arena . You know what I mean . It's like it's kind of dope .

Speaker 2

AG , what did ? I'll let y'all take it from here . But what did old boy say on Django at the White House ? Big Daddy said at home that's not what I said . Yo , django's a free man . Look , dre , you can come . He'd be like can Wayne come ? No , that's not what I said . That's what I said on the feed . I'm telling y'all .

Speaker 3

You just took it somewhere else . But I feel you , I get what you're saying , but that's wild that you really just made that comparison , what you got I don't have anything .

Speaker 1

I don't even know how django became part of this conversation . I love that movie . No , django is a brilliant movie . Yeah it is um , we're gonna kind of keep the conversation conversation on Drake and on kind of like the Young Money family , because Drake has actually now passed Eminem in terms of all time singles going diamond with seven .

So Drake is now in the number one position for rap artists , passing Eminem . What does this mean ? What does this represent ? I think this is a pretty big deal too .

Speaker 3

Drake is the numbers guy . I mean that's what he's always been . I mean it's it's business as usual for him , you know , I think so Break another record , cash , another check .

Speaker 2

Is it yeah ?

Speaker 1

Good , but I mean the person .

Speaker 3

It says a lot to the person he's passing though .

Speaker 1

Yeah , yeah , yeah , okay . Lot to the person he's passing , though . Yeah , yeah , yeah , okay , we're gonna keep it pushing more . Drake talk mal says it's up between drake and cole and I think when he's saying . I think when he's saying it's up , that means it's going down . Is that what he's saying ?

Yeah , well , it's been going down with everybody when it comes to drake . What's new ?

Speaker 3

yeah , drake , drake unfollowed a lot of people . It's uh , this past week , you know what I mean he's cutting off , he's cutting off some ties .

But you know , I think , in the situation , uh , cole , I wouldn't say cole clearly picked the side , but him being ambiguous and where his alliances lay , I think is enough for drake to , you know , kind of cut him off . You know what I mean .

And cole's the guy that don't want any problems with anybody but , um , he did the collab with asap rocky , which they said was before the beef , but then it got released but cole still had to clear it . And you know , the joint with Daylight , you know . So you got the TDE connection . So , um , I think he's just being real ambiguous .

And , like I'm Switzerland , I can , you know , collab and move and maneuver and stand next to anybody , but when you petty , like Drake is , you know you ain't , you ain't going to rock with that .

So I think , you know , for guys that were just on tour with each other last year and I took my son to go see and you know they were dapping each other up , hugging on stage and doing all that I think it's a totally different situation now , after this battle .

Speaker 1

You don't get to be Switzerland when you're fighting for your legacy .

Speaker 2

Sean , keep going . Cool , you said it you riding a bike while I'm out here fighting .

Speaker 1

He always references the bike , the bike shit . He's going to stop the bike shit , the bike shit , it's an electric bike .

Speaker 2

He's riding an electric bike while I'm out here fighting . I'm going to leave it at that , because Coop summed it up . But I was about to say you can't be Switzerland when your legacy is on the line . You threw out a diss record and you retracted it immediately .

Speaker 1

And I want to say something too , in it , immediately , and I want to say something too In hindsight if he was going to step out of this , it's the way that he stepped out . You want to know what this is Him doing . That is the equivalent to LeBron's the decision .

It's one of those where it's like well , if you want to make that decision at the end of the day , that's fine , but the way that you made the decision and the public display you chose to make the decision on , with the world essentially watching you , no , nigga no , you want to know what the nastiest part of that whole thing was , remember ?

Speaker 3

he was like how many of y'all Kendrick Lamar fans make some noise ? I was like how many of y'all Kendrick Lamar fans make some noise ? I was like what ? That was crazy . That was the nastiest part of the whole thing At his festival .

Speaker 1

That's one of those things I would prefer if he'd be a politician , because at least that you can say well , somebody wrote that for me . It's like nobody wrote that for you . You said that Ridiculous stand on it .

Yeah , so you know , drake has unfollowed a bunch of people like lebron , playboy , cardi , aforementioned jermaine cole and speaking of jermaine cole , you know , on this verse that is a verse of the year contender , and I think we have agreed that it might be the verse of the year thus far he has said that he is the GOAT off of his features .

Fellas , can somebody be the GOAT off their features ?

Speaker 3

No , shout out to all the 3,000 fans .

Speaker 1

I think he's a top five MC with no albums . What about features ?

Speaker 3

Right . No , I think this is the area where we recognize that we put too much stock in features .

You know , because when somebody hops on a track , does their thing for 16 bars , kills it , and we're raving about it and they go on a run of these , it's cool , it's dope , but it doesn't put you in any kind of goat contention , because are we talking about your personal catalog like that when it's just you ? You know what I mean when you're the main event .

And I think with cole , it's our fault because we put him in contention for that number one spot in the big three based off his feature run , because nobody was saying that . You know , I got on an offseason shirt from the tour , but when the offseason album came out we wasn't , you know , putting Cole on that level . It was based on the features run .

So I think some of this is our fault for putting features , to put too much stock in the features . And quite frankly , it's a lot of art and not a lot . But maybe a handful of artists that I'd take their feature runs over cold any day Give me Method man , give me Kiss , give me Wayne . You know what I mean .

It's quite a few that I would take their feature catalog over clothes . In the verses Let me .

Speaker 1

I love that you made that point , because it actually was a piggyback question that I was actually going to ask First of all , sean , let me get your thoughts on this , but then also let me ask both of you , once you get done , sean ,

Discussing Jay Cole's Feature Run

is your ? Is Jay Cole the best guest appearance artist of his era , and where does he rank all time as a guest appearance artist ?

Speaker 2

Of his era . I would say he's up there . I don't know if he's the best , though it's hard for me to say that .

Speaker 1

Who's the best guest feature in this era ? Last 10 years . Last 10 years .

Speaker 2

Last 10 years .

Speaker 1

Last 10 years . Who's the better feature ?

Speaker 2

Yeah , I'm quick to put me on the spot .

Speaker 3

Lil Baby got some joints , yeah , but he ain't cold . He ain't cold though , but Lil Baby , he upper . Because , I look at it in waves . I think that's more like length of time .

Speaker 2

I would give cold the edge just because of the length of time I'm going to look at it in waves , because remember when 2 Chainz was having this feature run . One of my favorite feature runs ever 2 Chainz feature run to me is one of the best we've seen . He was smoking everybody . Great feature run On everyone .

The feature run topic is so weird because we've seen these things . We've seen Nas feature run One of the most prolific feature run you will ever find in the first place . 95 , 96 , 97 , 98 . I mean , he was killing everything . Jay had a phenomenal feature run . I don't think Cole is in an exclusive category , he's just having a great feature run .

We've seen this happen so many times . Kanye had a phenomenal feature run when he was doing his thing . 50 had a great feature run . The list goes on , the list goes on . Why are we not overstating them and overstating Cole ?

Speaker 1

Top 10 feature artists .

Speaker 3

I got your answer to that question though , sean , but go ahead and answer Coop's question .

Speaker 2

Maybe , maybe top 10 .

Speaker 1

Okay , Best of this era Like is he a better feature than a Drake or a Future ?

Speaker 2

See , that's the thing . Because we heard some money from Drake . We can hate on Drake all we want , but Drake's feature in the past 10 years changed the trajectory of an artist , not the song , the artist because he hopped on a feature with that artist .

Speaker 1

Yeah , a song with Drake will change your life .

Speaker 2

Change your life Right . A song with Cole doesn't change your life .

Speaker 3

The stimulus package . Talking with Drake will change your life . Change your life . A song with Cole doesn't change your life the stimulus package . But to answer your question , Sean , the reason why Cole's feature run , it's two reasons why it's held so high . Because the whole stigma about oh , he went platinum with no features .

Cole don't collab with nobody , so he made it a point to do out to , to set out and blaze all these features , like you know , because I'm not a feature heavy artist , so hats off to him for even making that a point to do that . But here's the other point His features are going to stand out more and people uplift it more .

Just like Coop was saying about 3000 , there's no Andre 3000 album to like go to other than outcast stuff . So all you have to rest your laurels on is the features with Cole . He has his solo catalog . But nobody puts his solo catalog up with the greats like that .

You talked about Nas's feature run , Jay's feature run , you mentioned Kanye , you mentioned Eminem , but they all have solo catalogs that can , like you know , that's some of the best we've ever seen . Cole doesn't have that . So if he's going to hang his hat on something , it's going to be the features , but it's up to us , as the fans , to say you know what ?

That's not enough if we're being honest .

Speaker 2

Yeah .

Speaker 1

Great sentiments , guys . I think we're going to get into one of our new segments , which is the Discord Dialogues . Oh yeah , Real quick , I'm doing it to stay out of the Discord Dialogues . Very , very ratchet people , very , very ratchet people in discord .

Speaker 3

They are the best people Shout out to discord . We family they're friends of the show .

Speaker 1

Very fascinating , very fascinating . It's really feel now Brightening some of the stuff that I read .

Speaker 3

Yeah , friends of the stuff that I read . You know friends are friends of the show . But , yeah , shout out to everybody in our discord group , man , we wanted to come up with a segment that made it interactive , um , for the fans and you know people that support us .

Day ones it's been in our discord , man , we chop it up on a daily basis and we wanted y'all to have control over a segment , um , to have your stamp and have your input . So every week we're going to , you know , starting with next week , we're going to highlight an artist , a group or producer that gets voted on in our Discord chat to talk about .

It might not be somebody we had a heavy news week this week but it might be an artist . That's an unsung artist that you want to hear talked about . That's not in the current news cycle or whatever . So we take , you know , 10 nominees in our discord , our first 10 nominees every week . You know my son , jordan , shout out to him .

He puts them in a poll on the discord and we vote on it as a community discord and we vote on it as a community . And then the um the artists or a group or producer or whatever that wins that week we'll talk about on the next thursday night show . Give them a little segment where they can get their flowers and stuff . So over on our discord .

The poll is up right now . I think it closes in another day or so and then whoever wins , that we'll be talking about next week . We just wanted to make y'all have y'all's imprint on the show . You know what I mean , because y'all matter and we appreciate y'all .

Speaker 1

No , I love it . I actually and I'm not joking at all when I say this I actually think the first thing we should do is do a poll on what people think r kelly's top three albums are in the discord chat . Top three r kelly albums . This is all of you . Ratch and Sean , you're the leader of the Ratchets oh , no , no , no .

I watch the things that you say in there . It's almost like how a book is more explicit than the movie . It's like you're even more explicit and worse on Discord than R Almost like it's like oh , this is nasty work . Writer , sean at work . This is .

This is horrible and frightening for the presence of my mind speaking of AG , we're also about to start a new segment where you're going to start sharing some of the things from your extensive

Wu-Tang Vinyl and Sneaker Releases

vinyl collection . Sir , do you have anything that you would like ?

Speaker 3

oh , yeah , yeah , yeah , I appreciate it , like you know today . You know I'm saying a little show and tell joint um just giving woo some love . Um , this is the vinyl segment . Got this seven inch box set , if y'all can see that it's 36 chambers .

But uh , it's a limited edition box set that all the um , all the vinyls are on seven inch vinyl um a side and b side . It comes with . You know , a lot of things in the collection items . You got this on the inside of the box . Wu-tang ain't nothing to you know , so it's dope . It also comes with . I'm a card collector .

I used to collect baseball cards . Got some Pete Rose doing some of the collection . You know what I'm saying . But it comes with a lot of 36 chambers behind the scenes photos , if y'all can see that , just different cards . Danny Hastings is who shot the art for the cover of 36 Chambers . So the joints , the pictures . They didn't make it to the actual album .

They put that in the vinyl box set and here's some of the . You know what I'm saying . They got the yellow A-side , b-side . You know what I'm saying . It's in the order of the album . You know what I'm saying . But it's like seven different seven-inch vinyls . So you saying but it's like seven different um , seven inch vinyl .

So you know it's just going to be showing a little bit . We got some vinyl collectors out there so we wanted to like show them some love and , uh , you know , show what's in the collection comes with a commemorative book . You know that talks about the make you go to album .

Speaker 1

So it's pretty dope tell me where you found this ag uh got that on um the website .

Speaker 3

Get on down that they uh dope for selling dope vinyls and collectibles . Um , it's sold out as of right now , um , but it's a dope little um piece that you probably can find it on the secondary market marked up um , but that's , you know , a special edition thing . But I do got the classic . You know , basic vinyl .

You know I'm saying 36 chambers right here , uh , the 12 inch . So I wanted to show Wu-Tang some love . They're currently doing their residency in Vegas and we're going to continue that Wu-Tang love . Sean got a segment he want to talk about , so I'll pass it to him to segue this ain't quantifiable facts .

Speaker 1

we're not sneaking in any quantifiable facts . Our itinerary better be right no quantifiable facts . My itinerary better be right no quantifiable facts , no man . We're not talking sneaker shit . I promise I will pull up out this motherfucker .

Speaker 2

No quantifiable facts . Man no quantifiable facts .

Speaker 1

I mean AG and AG , and don't try to be quiet about it and put it off on Sean , You're a sneakerhead too , you just don't have it lined up behind you right now . You're a sneakerhead too . Let's slide to some sneaker games . Sean , what you got for us .

Speaker 2

Our Discord group and those that rock with us . They enjoyed the last time . We talked about a little bit of the fashion world . One of the things I wanted to highlight was the actual release of the Wu-Tang Dunks . That's coming out , I think , saturday . Rza posted some things out there with regards to just the height for the shoe itself .

I'm looking forward to this dunk . I've always wanted the Wu joints . I actually have a pair of the Pylons and I wish they had the Wu sign . You guys can see it had the Wu sign on the side , but they don't haveens . I wish they had the Wu-San . You guys can see it had the Wu-San on the side , but they don't have it . I wish they had it .

These joints are butter . The dunks are coming out this Saturday .

Speaker 1

Did you just sniff your shoe ? Did you just sniff your shoe ?

Speaker 3

That's what we do . That brand new shoe smell .

Speaker 2

It's like air freshening in the car , bro . Air fres shoe smell . Brand new shoe smell . Air freshening the car , bro air freshener man , it's like it's , it's intoxicated . Am I going front , you know , but this is just . I wish they did it with these . Um , I had the woo sign on these as opposed to the dunks .

I'm a dunk , I like dunks , like low top dunks , um . But rizzo actually did , um , he did something at the residency last week where he actually sent , you know , notes to loyal fans through Spotify to get access to the shoes . And I'm not a Spotify user that much . I like the Spotify because they do , you know , play our joints on their platform .

But unfortunately I missed it . Ag also missed it as well , but they come out on a Saturday .

Speaker 1

What are these , uh ? What are these ? Woo wear air dunks uh running for I think it's 170 they're 150 retail on the secondary market .

Speaker 3

You can get a pair now for about , depending on your size , anywhere to like 400 to about 450 um , but the original ones that came out like 14 years ago , they go for they were super limited and they go for about 10 grand , like 10 steps Um . But to your point , sean .

I tried to uh , cause I think I hit you up the next day because I was doing something on my daughter's phone . I just bought my daughter the iPhone 16 and her Spotify wasn't working and I was in my email trying to reset her password and looked at my email and I got the notification .

But by the time I checked my email it was an hour after the shoes had dropped and I got the Spotify link to buy them through Spotify . So I was tight . I missed out on them , but at any rate , I looked to cop those . You know what I'm saying . Before Sean gets to the next shoe joint , show what I look to . Cop those . You know what I'm saying .

Before Sean gets to the next you join , show what I got on feet today . Is that cool with you , sean ? Yeah , so I got on feet . You know what I'm saying . Rest in peace to the one and only Virgil Abloh Got on the off-white Jordan 2s . You know what I'm saying , beaverton , I don't know if y'all can see that .

Real good , good , but shout out to Virgil man Like rest in peace , man . Virgil got some of the best sneakers and clothes in the game . You know what I'm saying .

Speaker 2

So what else you got , sean ? My last one , biggie Tims . Tim , let's come back up with the Biggie joints . I won't be copying these . I'm not going to lie . I'm done with Tims for the rest of my life . I got too many . Yeah , I know that's crazy .

Speaker 3

I wore Timbs playing basketball so I'm not doing that anymore . You was that guy that wore Timbs with shorts . Yeah , I can see it .

Speaker 2

Yeah , sorry , Coop , but I'm not wearing Timbs anymore . But the biggie Timbs are coming out too . I don't wear Timbs anymore . I'm not going to lie .

Speaker 3

I'm too old for Tims now , but they dope . I was disappointed in these , bro . I don't think the Ready to Die branding was as much as they should have been .

They hit us with the tag and then you know what I'm saying the baby on the tongue and then the leather part on the upper , on the ankle collar they had BIG on there and I don't think I don't think , I don't know . They're just regular basic Tim's with a little bit of extra sauce on them .

Speaker 1

To me , quick question before . Quick question before we get out of here . Sean , since you're no longer a Timbaland wearer , rocker , what do you wear now ? In a boot for all the sneaker heads out there ? Wallabies , man , wallabies , ag , wallabies .

Speaker 3

Be the apparel oh , what do I wear ? Oh , it's jay's like air max , stuff like that . Every day , man , and my feet be dying at work . It'd be killing me . Man , I'm getting old but I refuse to give it up and wear the like you know , I'm saying the hokas and new balance and all them joints .

Now I'm gonna stay fly , man , I can't it , but my feet be screaming at work , bro .

Speaker 1

Do you wear any boots ? No boots .

Speaker 3

Timbs . I'm not too old for Timbs .

Speaker 1

First of all , you're both older than me . Both you niggas are old . It was my birthday and you niggas are still older than me . Just like to remind you that as we end the show , we're Superchats and then we're going to get out of here .

Speaker 3

Oh , we got to do the press play before we go out . Real quick though , yeah yeah , yeah . No , no , no .

Speaker 1

I know we're going to do press play . I just want to get to the Superchats and then we can get the press play in . I can put you niggas on pause .

Hip-Hop Music Tape Deck Reviews

Mad Max with 199 . Superchat means we got a block man selling the most in hip-hop again . See , you can't trust Mad Max . See , now the talk is getting incoherent again . Told you we gotta get more . Yeah , channel your inner pocket . 50 and Drake , fj , cole , pause . Mad Max with another $199 . Super Chat no , mad Max , pause on that , yet Pause .

Just put the bottle down . Come to the light . That is hip-hop talks . Mad Max again $199 . Drake , easily a better feature artist than Cole . I don't know if it's easily , but if you told me Drake , yeah , $199 with Mad Max , again . Drake made Block Boy JB have a run with Look Alive . That's all we got for the Super Chats .

Sean , I'm going to pass it over to you for press play .

Speaker 2

Yes , sir what you got in your tape deck yeah , we'll just run through them real quick for me . Let me pull it up real quick . So my tape deck . This week I kept it very , very simple , kicked it off with Shit , my eyes burning , never let you down . Love this joint . This is one of the joints I felt like Jay left earth on .

I love Jay's verse on here . Kanye killed this . This is one of my joints . I loved it . We made you . Nas killed it straight up . This is the Joint I always felt that this was the bridge To heal everything Between Nas and Jay . Love it , don't get carried away . Featuring Nas and Busta I felt like Nas killed this one as well .

Had this on my tape deck All week . Also had played Some old Kendrick the Ronald Reagan era . Had RZA as a feature on here on the hook seeing his little piece on there . But I love this joint .

I thought this was one of Kendrick's best joints back during that Section 80 era and I went back to the vintage Cole Lights Please Always loved this song , always thought Lights Please was one of those ones for Cole . This one I thought that Cole was the one . The next one up , what Please was one of those ones for Cole . This one .

I thought that Cole was the one , the next one up . What Off of Lights , please .

Speaker 1

You picking Lights Please ? I say Nigga Please . Lights Please is tough Love . Lights Please , no , no . I say Nigga Please to Sean . He's been clowning J Cole all year . Come on Lights .

Speaker 2

Please . That is true .

Speaker 1

Nigga Please . How about that ? That is true ? How about Nigga Please , nigga Please , how about that .

Speaker 2

I love this one too , man . This is one of my go-tos right here . Man With DMX , him Jadakiss and Styles Disson Jarou Didn't know he was Disson Jarou in live time . I just vibed to the song man . But I love this joint . And my last one , triplets , don Carter Gina album . I thought the Don Carter Gina album was a very underrated album . Came out in 98 .

We did the hip hop bar seminar for Pun on one of his joints as well , on the Posse cut John Blaze . But Triplets , they went crazy . The beat was crazy , joe went crazy , Pun left was crazy , joe went crazy , pun left . Earth Loved that album . But that wasn't my tip deck all week . Fellas Dope Dope list .

Speaker 1

AG . What's your list looking like ?

Speaker 3

All right , real quick . First joint I got me and my homie was having a conversation on what Kanye's best song is and we agreed that it's . Can't Tell Me Nothin' . I think it's the perfect song . Kanye was in his bag rapping . Ironically , he didn't produce the track Produced by Toon Kilted from the Jeezy ad-libs .

Everything about it the hook , it's just a perfect song all the way around . I think it's Kanye's best work . Next I got White Label by Nas , produced by Kanye Reason why I've been listening to this . Sean put in our Discord group it was footage of Kanye producing this in the studio , producing the record .

The mixing is a little bit off , but it's still my favorite record off Nas here . I think this is a banger . Next joint I got is no ideas Original . We talked about it last week , um , it was one of our bar seminars and , like Coop said last week , is arguably um Nas's best bar work .

Um on this album and maybe you know , in contention , uh for his career . Um , I also got pie from Might Delete . Later I went back and revisited this joint after the play to Collard Greens and I think that J Cole and Daylight got good chemistry on the tracks together and shout out to Absol on here too .

So I had to go back and revisit this and it's a lot of bar work here . Next I got Got Nowhere beanie , seagull and freeway off the first state property album , uh , oskino . Been in a lot of interviews lately and that made me tap tap back into the old um two state property albums and between the two albums this was always my favorite song .

Love this record . Um , so been listening to that . Um , next I got love I'm good by joe budden . Uh , I think this the song doesn't get enough credit . I think it's one of the dopest concept songs ever . And uh , me and the homie , trife shout out to trife , was talking about this album .

All love lost in the uh in the discord , which I think is a bob mike album , and um , that album was really special to me . It got me through a tough time . But this is one of my favorite joints on the album . If you haven't heard it , go check it out . Joe was in his bag on that . And the last joint I got is Paris Morton music .

You know me and my homie was having a discussion . He thinks this is Drake's best song of all time and I wouldn't say that . I would say it's top three to five , but I think it is one of the records that most encompasses him as an artist as far as singing .

And then what he did with the bar is like you know , if somebody said , you know , play me a song that represents Drake , this probably be one of the first ones I go to . And he did his thing on here , smoothed it out at the end of my playlist .

Speaker 1

Cool playlist , nice playlist , thank you . I'll leave it for Coop to diversify the portfolio and class things up a little bit .

Birthday Playlist Rituals and Favorites

This is my birthday playlist too . Ratchet . Happy birthday , it's happy birthday .

Speaker 2

Yeah .

Speaker 1

It's your birthday . Nobody has to do all that . Nobody has to do all that . All right , give me a second please . What I'm pressing play on is uh , this week is take a bow by Madonna . Uh , take a bow .

Donna is actually written by baby face and baby face is actually doing the background vocals on Take a Bow , and they actually performed this song at the Grammy Awards and it was the number one hit for Madonna , and it comes off of Bedtime Stories , which I think is arguably her best album that she ever made .

So I got Take a Bow written by Babyface on my birthday . Shit . Every year around this time I play certain songs over and over again . Uh , you know , everybody has a birthday song . My birthday song is staying alive by the bgs because , well , quite frankly , I made it through another year . So , staying alive , praise god .

No , all praises do um , my birthday and I just want to tell a quick story about my birthday ritual . I know we're running behind and got to get out of here .

Speaker 3

No , it's good bro .

Speaker 1

Next , I have Taken in Blood off it Was Written , which I've literally been listening to every day . On my birthday it's been the first song that I play , but let me tell you how it actually happened .

I actually wasn't a big fan of taken in blood when it it was written first came out like it wasn't like one of my top five songs I was listening to when it was written .

I was listening to live nigga rap , the setup shootouts I gave you power and silent murder and the message more than I was taken in blood and not saying that like I didn't , like you know , think that the record was dope , but I really didn't realize what was going on .

The night before my birthday I ended up on the phone I think it might have been with my cousin while Watch them Niggas was playing and as the song was about to go off , I remember putting my Remember he had the little radio that had the CD player at the top that you push the button to to stop it , but if you hit pause on that motherfucker , that

motherfucker would stay paused forever as long as you kept it plugged up . Yeah , so I hit pause while Watch them Niggas was on , but I ended up talking on the phone so long and fell asleep . So when I actually woke up on my birthday and started getting ready for school , I pressed play Taking in .

Blood came on , came on like right after watch the niggas faded out and that was the first time that the song really like gripped me , was like on my birthday , where I was like , oh shit , I'm like hold on like he's fucking crazy on here and that's why I play it every day on my birthday when I wake up .

So that's when it clicked for you , right , yeah , no , no , my birthday is when it clicked for me . That's when it clicked for you , right ? Yeah , no , no , no , my birthday is when it clicked for me , that's when it became my favorite Nas records Because , think about it , this is October of 96 .

So the album had been out for a few months already , right , right . So , like my birthday , my 16th birthday is actually like when it clicked I was like oh shit , like like damn so . So yeah , taking it by a little known record from the re-up gang , stay from around me . Now , this record actually doesn't have pusha t or malice rapping on it .

This is actually ab , lava and sandman going back and forth . I think ab and sandman are grossly underrated as rappers because if you think highly of pusha and malice and I think most of us do as MCs understand these guys were rapping right next to these guys , at the level of these guys for years , with no problem and no drop .

Those guys are dope Stay from around me , and I love that beat too . It's just like you know the re-up gang stuff . It was like different for around the time , like they were actually doing East Coast hip-hop better than a lot of the East coast guys were like at the time , like most of them .

Like if you were to hear like the aesthetics of a , of a mixtape like this , you would think they were from New York , not Virginia . Um , my next record is slide . You know I'm a big her fan . I think her is my favorite . Uh , you know I'm a big Her fan .

I think Her is my favorite R&B artist , male or female , of this era , and slide is a word that I obviously like use often when I talk about a slide to the next topic , and when I was having the conversation with the friend that talked about me using the word slide , it actually made me think of a song and start playing this song .

This is one of the best records off of her last project and hopefully we'll be hearing more from her very , very soon . Next record is from one of my favorite rap albums of all time , which is Illiduff Half-Life From the Roots . This is Push Up your Lighter with Bahamadia . This record is actually the first time I heard Bahamadia .

I didn't know who she was , I didn't know anything about her , but this was the record that got me acquainted with Bahamadiya and I think it's a top five song from one of the least talked about great rap albums of all time .

I think Illiduff Half-Life is one of those rap classics that kind of gets what I like to call some of that Hell Hath , no Fury treatment where it's like well , people kind of go to other pieces of their work that might have been like bigger and bolder , but I don't know necessarily better .

I still think Illiduff Half-Life might be the Roots best album , and it's Black Thoughts Coming Out Party has a top level emcee too . The last one I actually have is somebody who you know we've been supporting and that's I Am God with Wise Souls .

This is still probably , for me , the best intro song to a rap album that I've heard this year , and so I've been putting the More Suede back in rotation , and Wise Souls is probably my favorite record on More Suede . Just for me personally , that's my press play , no doubt . No bliss . We appreciate everybody for supporting Hip Hop Talks .

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We're just getting started and just getting our legs beneath us . Ag , sean , you got any parting shots , I think . I thought it was it .

Speaker 2

Check us on Twitter . We do it every week . We close the show doing our seven playlist songs . We want you to do the same thing , so we're going to post the list tonight . We actually have the list tonight . We actually have the list right here of the songs that we actually selected for our playlist for the week .

We would encourage you to do the same thing , so tag us on your playlist or you can attach yourselves to the playlist we're going to put on our Twitter page and engage with us as well in the Discord on Twitter and , of course , on YouTube . And once again , shout-out to my man , coop . Happy birthday , coop , belated birthday , turned a big 4-3 .

Coop is younger than AG now , but he looks older than us . But it's all love , man . But shout-out to Coop man , I hope you have a great week , bro . I hope you have a phenomenal weekend . I know you had a good meal last night at Sizzler's and got you a good steak Coop had a hamburger steak he even had a hamburger steak . He had the chop joint the .

Salisbury joint the Salisbury joint for his birthday in a Colt .45 . That's crazy . It's all a joint too .

Controlling the Board

Speaker 1

The petty level is absurd and disrespectful .

Speaker 2

But no .

Speaker 1

Oh man , we just got to find yeah , I'm definitely calling HR on you . I'm just saying you know , right , it's like no , I want control of the board . We have to have the ability to mute this character if we're going to continue to like get this shit wrong .

Speaker 2

You said that you're doing it more than us , though , but but nah , man , it's all love bro .

Speaker 1

Happy birthday , man 43 bless to make it another year . Blessed to be here . Everybody click like and subscribe to the tribe and we gone , peace out .

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