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That's a great line , great minds think alike . Moment me and AG just had right before the show just started .
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Hey , sean , before we get started , since you like to have you know quantifiable facts . Oh my goodness , can you name how many NBA players have won MVP , defensive Player of the Year and Finals MVP in the same season ? With your quantifiable facts ?
The good thing about quantifiable facts you have to go do the research so you can be on point To answer your question . The only person I can think of right now is Mike or Jeffrey Jordan .
No .
MVP , same year finals MVP and defensive player MVP .
Jordan got defensive player of the year in 88 . He did not win a title that year . Yes , that is correct . You know . Mvp Jordan got defensive player of the year in 88 . He did not win a title that year .
You know , you know , you know who who say it again Okay , thank you . No , no , no , I want to thank you .
No , you want to be petty and come up with new segments behind me and he's back I'm going to hit your ass with some quantifiable facts . Only player in NBA history ever to do it Akeem , oh my goodness , I can't believe he's doing this .
He put you on the corner with that one , sean .
He did . But you know what Lucky for me I am mighty Take these hands . That was three weeks ago , I'm sorry , I moved on .
I think you should too have you been watching me on youtube for the last three or four years ? I struck you as the type of individual that's gonna let it go you won't let it go , man , I don't get it oh , real quick .
I mean this is off topic me , me and my cousin was having a debate today . Is Jokic Joker in conversation for top five centers ? I say no .
Not yet , not yet .
But he's in the top ten . How low would you put him ? Like six or seven in that ballpark About seven .
Off the top of my head . I mean , there's the obvious , which I think is Bill Russell , will Kareem , shaq King Fiverr .
I still got David .
I was about to say I would say I would still take David Robinson the Admiral yeah , patrick Ewing is where the conversation starts for me . No , no , no , no . I was actually thinking Moses Malone actually too , yeah , a lot of people forget about Moses .
So , yeah , that's a good point .
I'd actually put Moses ahead of David Robinson , actually .
I can't do that .
Well , moses was the man for his rings . You know what I'm saying ? True , and he won more MVP awards Three .
True , we hadn't seen a center like David , you know .
And led the league in rebounding more times than David Robinson did .
True , David was better on defense . He was , and you know as far as what he could do as a seven-footer , hadn't been seen before . So I mean he was fast as KG . So I just ranked David a little bit higher than Moses . That's the first one .
I can't do that . I think David , I think Moses did , did did more with less .
I'm not mad at that , because Moses is one of those ones that get forgotten in these talks .
So you know . So I would tell you after that . Jokic is in the conversation , so as high as I would put him would be eight . Is that six ?
and seven , depending on how you argue on that and on that . If I gave USA an L today , it was going to have to call Border Patrol on our team and not let them back over here if they let that happen .
Well , you know , since we're going to go in transition , I actually wanted to talk about that anyway , and here's what I want people to realize , and then we can get the show started . You see who closed the game ? Right , it was LeBron James Steph . You see who closed the game right , it was LeBron James Steph Curry .
Evan Durant , with some NBs sprinkled in yep like the OGs , took us to the finish line speaking of OGs , the OG dream team wouldn't even let it come down to that . That's crazy they never played a team this good .
The best team that they played , the best team that the Dream Team , the original Dream Team , played like this time is ten times better than the best team that they played . They got Jokic we're talking about him in top ten centers all time . What player existed in 1992 from overseas that was top ten at any position all time , when they actually existed ?
yeah , the best team they played was croatia yeah , that ain't gonna cut it yeah but like chuck charles barkley said though he brought up some good points a lot of these teams is top heavy with nba players . They got a couple nba stars , but they ain't bringing somebody like kd off the bench or whatever .
So the the world has caught up to the US , but they're not stacked from top to bottom like our team is . Here's why I'm worried .
KD . Steph and LeBron ain't playing in the next 10 Olympics Right , we don't have verifiable replacements for them yet , because look at the players that we're going to lose , because the chances are , by the time the next Olympics come around , all three of them are going to be either retired or , very close to LeBron's , probably going to be retired .
Yeah , steph and KB are going on like 37 and 38 , I think , like in the calendar year , steph being the elder by a year , and so it's like it wouldn't be crazy to think that , like four years from now , well , they won't be here or be a verifiable option at all . Lebron will be gone . These two niggas will be like sold by then .
That'll be four years from now .
We don't even know if they'll be playing basketball . Embiid's knees will be retired by then .
Embiid's window is now . Embiid's window is today . Matter of fact , embiid's window is yesterday . It was . You know what I'm saying . That's what makes me worry about the future of men's basketball . It's like outside of Ant . I don't see a verifiable replacement or something . The quote Sean in his punk-ass segment quantifiable .
Come on , you gotta move on , man , you gotta move on .
Let's start the show . Fellas , you move on .
Let me get the two super chat . Tracy G appreciate you . Hey , let's get the brilliance of Tracy Drake smashing the whole internet right now with this footage . Yo , we're gonna get all into it . 007 , queens , get the money . Big Sean talking his ish . His next album has to be delivered . Hopefully he releases music consistently .
There's nobody up next in the new generation . We're going to talk about that too . 007 . Appreciate you , bro . Thank all of you for coming in . We got more people coming into the chat . Let's try to get the chat live and try to get everybody in here , because we have a lot that we want to peel back .
Fellas , y'all want to start with Ye and Ty Dolla , vultures 2 . I know last episode , coop was like they ain't never dropping your album . And they heard you Coop and and they heard you Coop . And they said here we go , vultures 2 on your head top . Three hours later after the pod , no , two hours later after the pod , vultures 2 on your head top .
How do you feel about that , coop , since you want to talk about quantifiable facts and quantifiable evidence . You said it wasn't going to drop . I said , coop , I think it's about to drop . You said nah , they ain't going to drop . Y'all be doing this the whole show . So what you ?
guys say about Poachers 2 ? I see what type of show it's about to be . Well , quite frankly , they can take it back off my head top . That's wild . That's wild . They can put it right back wherever they sent it , sean , because this album ain't it , damn why . What do you ?
mean why that's the shortest analysis ever .
I was waiting for more . I'm like wow .
What are we doing here ? No , what are we doing here . You want to know what we need to address . A couple of things Briefly , the same things , at least as far as on the Rap list is concerned
¶ Kanye West's Artistic Evolution
. That makes Kanye a draw and makes Kanye great is his ability to make albums very much like Kendrick . We don't consider him to be a Black Thought or Rakim or Nas or Big Pun on the mic lyrically . We're not expecting that . We're expecting the project to be fire In a lot of ways because it's him . We expect it to be innovative .
When is the last time a project has been fire ? When is the last time has it been innovative ?
I was listening to some of these beats today and I'm like outside of the beats that sound like they were a riff on Carnival and Carnival is the best song between both of these sets by such a leap in bound , like every carnival is so much better than every last song they've made between these two projects that it's astounding . To me it's very problematic .
This album's not that good . It has some moments . It's got about six records , guys .
It's got about six I got six written down . You got six , two , three , four , five . No , I actually got I actually got seven .
Oh , I'm sorry to hear that when you're gonna have to show me like you're gonna have to show me where you did a seven with that hand , um real quick .
Let me see if you got the same ones . Coop , like just off the top of your head , 5.30 . Of course , field trip . Yep , slide , yep , forever rolling . No , you don't like that one , okay .
Sky .
City Yep Four Lifestyle .
Five Pride Six .
Okay , yeah , that's all I got .
You know I'm going to slide it to you like AG . You know what I mean because I want to hear your thoughts . But you know he said something a long time ago on my beautiful , dark , twisted fantasy and I thought it was one of the best bars in his career .
But it was one of those things that somebody like that sex stuff , it's like it made me trouble when he said reality is catching up to me , taking my child , I'm fighting for custody , like part of his creative genius he was letting you know was because of the childlike state that that existed and I hate to say it .
Kanye's music is always reflected where he is in his life for the most part , and these last couple projects are reflective of how in disarray it is at times , because he used to be able to take these moments of spontaneous combustion and pull them together and , like you know , make a new universe .
You know what I'm saying Like , literally , implode it all together . You know what I'm saying . Like , like , literally , like imploded all together . You know what I mean . That's why I like late registration so much . He put so many different pieces and fabrics together but made it cohesive somehow .
That's a producer who's also a great rapper and it's just like you know . I see flashes of that guy , like you know what I was having flashes . Like I'm not joking , I was was having flashes of Dwayne Wade's knees as he was declining when I was listening to this project . That's wild that is wild .
I'm not joking . Wade didn't have enough .
Late registration is my favorite . Kanye joint as well . Coop .
Yeah , it's like where is ?
I want to speak to your point though .
I've been very hard on kendrick you know what I'm saying and congate deserved the same amount of smoke , if not more when's the last ? Time he made something dope for somebody else outside of daytona and which is now what we're six years removed from daytona , am I correct five ?
six years , uh , six years removed from Daytona , am I correct ? Five , six years , six years yeah .
We're six years removed from Daytona . What else does he have ? In the last 10 years I've been on Kendrick about seven years . What about Kanye's ?
last decade . Yeah , gotta be fair . I want to speak to that , coop , because you bring up a good point , but I want to peel back the curtain a little bit more to my thought process . The songs that I named I love the sonics of it , but I think that 530 would be the best example of where I'm going to go with my point .
If this song was completed and he's not mumbling and it sounds like a rough demo on the last verse If this song was completed , it would be bound to level . In my opinion , it's that quality . But I think with Kanye , like you said , coop , in the last decade we have a quality control issue . Hold on a second .
We don't have a quality control issue . It's just that there's not enough quality .
Right . But here's what I think is attributed in that Me and my homie were talking early this morning and he thinks that something that is due to his icon status , that he's just like you know , screw it , I'll put out whatever and they'll , you know , consume it because I am who I am .
It's like he's not even trying sometime on the raps , which that could be one part of it . But here's my thing . I think we can split Kanye's career into two distinct halves .
I think you got pre-Pablo Kanye and then post-Pablo Kanye , because the life of Pablo comes in at the digital age and he has this thing where he's obsessed with like yo , I'm gonna just put this shit out , y'all consume it . And then , because we're in the digital age , I don't have to send it for pressing master and all this stuff .
I'm gonna tweak it as we go along , like you , listen to it . Next week it might be different elements in the feed , or he take this out or add , you know , vocals to it or whatever . He's did that with pablo . He's did that with donna . He's did that , um , you know , with the donna 2 joint that was on the stem player . He's did it with both vultures .
I think that the digital age has allowed him some freedoms that you really shouldn't have as an artist , because we're like getting rough demos of songs that got potential to be something else and he's just basically , you know , you can see that here in the potential in some of these records , but he's just putting it out like yo , here's his BS and then we'll ,
like you know , fix it as we go along . It's like rough draft after rough draft after rough draft .
But if you look at everything pre-Pablo , look at the care and the effort that he put into curating an album , to grabbing these features and making sure you know this person had the vocals with that person , and so on and so forth , the track listings were immaculate . But post-Pablo we got a different .
Kanye as far as his approach To doing these bodies
¶ Kanye West's Artistic Decline
of work in these albums . Sean , what do you ?
think I'm agreeing with both of you guys In different ways . This is a very incomplete album . We hear it in the sounds and we're not used to that from Kanye . Kanye is a professional when it comes to Putting quality music out and , like Coop said , there's no quality control . The quality is no longer there .
I think Kanye has become a prisoner of his own creativity because he's been overly creative by making this seem as something that's it's not immutable anymore , where it's going to continue to grow as the song grow , as the content grow . He wants the fans to be on for the journey . We don't care about that . That's being overly creative .
Give me the product as you intended to be listened to , right , because now you look at it from a perspective of you guys said you know late registration . You know you think about how masterful that was . Think about how masterful Dark Twisted Fantasy was , how complete it is . It was fulfilling . This is not fulfilling . I wanted to hear more Ty Dolla $ign .
I want to hear Ty .
Dolla do what Ty Dolla does . We got that on the first one . That was part of the problem with the first one . I was actually about to say at least he's rapping on this one , yeah .
He's rapping more .
It's closer to being an actual Kanye album , though , but rapping more .
Yeah , it's closer to being an actual Kanye album though Bingo , but the cake is always underbaked , like in the last , like you know , handful of releases .
The cake is always underbaked , but then after the fact , when you sent the cake out , now I add the vanilla extract and , like you know what I'm saying , you're doing it after the fact , that's the problem we asking this nigga to bake cakes when he's supposed to be cooking crack fudge .
Got that job description wrong . Got that job description wrong , absolutely .
That crack music and Kanye . Typically he's one of the best curators , no matter who he brings in the studio with him Top tier Like bar none , and we're not seeing that from Ty Dolla . You would think that he would raise the bar with someone like Ty Dolla .
Ty Dolla hasn't even fought , but we're not seeing him at a zenith that we would probably see with any other artist , with Ye in Ye's prime or even when Ye's just in the studio collaborating and curating .
But Ty Dolla $ign is a dope feature artist . He rarely misses on features , but to make a project with Kanye and the personality he is takes a lot , because I've seen interviews with Jay-Z saying that it was hard and we're going to talk about this in a little bit . It was literally difficult when they were making Watch the Throne .
Just like the struggle and the arguments over something . I can only imagine what it's like for Ty in this situation do I need to say it ? Say whatever man it's over . We need to start changing our expectations but do you think that this project drops his legacy ?
I haven't taken enough time to marinate on that yet . To be honest with you , if you ask me again on Sunday , I'll probably be able to give you a more detailed analysis of how I feel about that right now as it stands . Because here's the thing that I do believe that he has , because he is Kanye he does have equity .
So I've listened to this album two times . I do need to hear it , like when I mean I listen to something like one time , I mean like all the way through , like everything , like I do that at least three times , and so my opinions about a lot of albums have changed after a third listen . But I can usually feel it happening .
It's like the first time it's like OK , and the second time I'll be like oh , and then the third time I'll be like wow't . I don't see that because I'm on listen number two and I'm like . I'm like man , what the fuck ? This is disorganized . And you're kanye west . You know that's . The problem with it is that you want to know what it is .
His albums , like most great artists in all genres . Well , it kind of tells you a story as it goes along right and you feel , feel encapsulated in a good way into their world . These are just fucking songs . No direction . These are just songs . You understand what I'm saying . There is no real cohesion or or like like editing .
I don't know , I don't know what's going on .
The editing process is different , Like like the Wyoming sessions outside of Daytona ag , yeah it was just throwing stuff together , but to your point . I like that you use the word equity because his equity is so high .
Like bro has college dropout , late registration , dark , twisted fantasy , graduation 808 , it's like you know what I mean , and we all know to that it's like hold on .
That's what I mean is it's like , well , hold on . What are we holding on to ? Because , not to be funny and not to be like too black , it's not like the nigga made thriller or purple rain it's like that , dave chapelle he made thriller . It's not like he made thriller or purple rain , it's like that so it's like like , can we like ?
but he's responsible for so much classic material though it's hard to , like you know , really knock him down any peg the tree of kanye is so important to hip-hop .
It is , it's vastly important , and it's hard for us to like say , man , he's putting out this . It's hard to fathom that he's putting this out . You know what I mean , because the tree of Kanye is so vast .
But this is what's crazy it's a whole generation that will swear by this version of Kanye . That's the wild part .
Yes , Okay , so if I may , well , those kids are stupid .
That's how that goes , but you can literally put it in two halves . I think that change occurred around the life of Pablo . For me , you know the digital age , where he can keep , you know , tweaking and editing stuff . I don't think it's to his benefit .
I think that's a very valid point about the transition AG , but here's what I would say what are we actually rating this album ?
I don't think it's as good as the first one . I don't know if I can put a number on it , but I don't think it's as good as Vulture 1 .
That is a shame .
Yeah , because that one didn't hold up too well . Yeah , how many records do you all listen to off of Vulture's One ? I only listen to Carnival .
Probably about the same . On this one About seven , maybe eight , tops Three maybe four , maybe , maybe , and there's more joints coming out . My son just told me it's a deluxe version . That's on his website . It's not on streaming yet . They got a song with uh cuddy and then another song .
I think that's supposed to be on his website . Y'all sound like this tell him to stop somebody , make him stop and that's what he needs to open hand slap .
That's what needs to happen he's doing too much right now , honestly , he's doing too much and we got to call it what it is . He's doing way too much . And , ag , I don't disagree with your take on before Pablo or after Pablo , but I think we started seeing that slight transition by 808 .
When Kanye started getting into that other , different soundscape , that became the Nemo sound or whatever you want to call it , like the Drake sound of today . And again , that's his influence , because when you influence an artist as big as Drake , your ego goes crazy . You know what I mean .
And Kanye , let's be honest , fellas and I know the Jay fans out there are going to probably go bonkers but he kind of leapfrogged Jay at one point . You know what I mean . I'm not talking about as far as global popularity , watch the throne . He kind of watched Jay on Watch the Throne .
Okay , so hold on , I'm going to have to interject on Jay's behalf . That's like , quite frankly , you know . That's like , quite frankly , you know that's the type of game .
That's the difference between since we were talking about the olympics earlier like traditional standard nba basketball that our players are used to playing , and then playing in this usa olympic global format of basketball , which is like shorter quarters , less fouls . You know what I mean . Like like different rim , like shorter quarters , less fouls .
You know what I mean . Like like different rim size , like all that other stuff . You know what I'm saying ?
because that stuff on um , on watch the throne is made for kanye , because kanye made yes , exactly yeah but I don't , I don't like saying he watched jay on that though he's better than jay on there , but he's better on than jay on there because the beats were for him , right , you ? You hit the nail on that , though .
He's better than jay on there , but he's better than jay on there because the beats were for him right , you , you hit the nail on that .
You hit the nail on the head coop , I think in any collab album one . And you brought up d wade earlier coop . So this is a good analogy . Like the , for miami to win the championship , d wade had to fall back and say you know what , I gotta concede , lebron has to be the guy for us to win this chip .
I think on every collab album , one artist if it's a two-artist collab , one artist has to concede and say like yo , I'm a ride shotgun . You take the steering wheel and I'm gonna , you know , you know , follow your lead and we'll go wherever you take us .
I think that Watch the Throne Kanye was evidently behind the wheel on that and Jay stepped into his world , even Distant Relatives . That was Damian Marley's world , and Nas had to , like you know , adjust to that . And what a Time to Be Alive . I think that was more Future's bag .
Drake had to adjust to that Future bag , yeah , and then you fast forward to Her Loss . I think that was more drake's bag and at 21 had to adjust to drake . So I think every collab album has a clear cut . You know , somebody behind the wheel ?
leader I get .
I get what you're saying so I don't like saying somebody was washed when they clearly made a sacrifice to step into the other person's zone .
I think here's the thing .
You're Jay-Z .
Here's the thing we're talking about Watch the Throne right now .
Yep .
It's the last quality project that he actually has been a part of , though , and that's what I'm saying about , like you know , like this is looking like it might not be . That's what I'm saying about , like you know , like this is looking like it might not be .
You know what I'm saying I'm . I'm a interject coop . I will give mercy a nod . Mercy , I mean not mercy , but um , cruel summer was right after the album . Cruel summer album was dope , super dope okay , so , so , no , no , no .
I I don't think it was super dope . I thought it was .
I thought it was really dope how about the curation aspect that you spoke to earlier , the curation of it ?
The first six , seven joints on there I feel like were strong , but the rest of it not so much in my opinion . But I get what you're saying , but look at that time frame . We are 10 years removed from that time frame . Is what I'm saying , ag .
And guess what was next up ? What Pablo ? That's what I keep alluding to , man , that was the shift for me .
I'm going to have to side with you on that . But even with siding with you on that , what are we rating this album though ? What does Hip Hop Talks think of this album ? Three ?
I got a three on it and that stuff did change by going lower .
I mean , I can't justify giving this a three . Yeah , I mean , I'm not even paying him any attention .
I'm with you on the three . Three is fair .
Yeah , I can't find a rational reason , after listening to this for two times , why I should give it a 3.5 .
But even the pin , though , coop , what do you think about ? And you too , sean . The pin , Because we know Kanye got some rhymes written for him before by Saha Evidently Saha's still around .
He's on the joint Sky City , and other people pinned some joints for kanye , but these joints I don't know if he was by himself when creating a lot of these lyrics , but some of these joints don't sound like he even tried . He's create what he's doing . He . I will give him this credit .
He understands the era because he's trying to create more vibes than lyrical powerful music . He's just like let's go for a vibe . I think that's the bag he's in right now .
And I respect that , and you know what that got him ? That just got him a three .
When you're mumbling on a second verse of a song that has potential to be one of the best songs of the year and you're mumbling on a second verse . Come on , man .
But the rappers that's hot right now , that's what they do . I mean , I'm not shooting them , no bail , but it's just a fact .
He's not one of them .
He's regressing to that .
That's who he is at this point .
Hold on , but listen to what we'll do . The key word that you said , though , is regressing . I think we need to digress to the next topic , though , because this shit is breaking up Yo , that might be the illest transition in hip-hop talk's history , right there , I don't want to talk .
I really don't want to talk about this , to be honest with you , because it's like my real , unfiltered thoughts about how I feel .
Well , let's stay with Watch the Throne , though . How do you feel about that ?
I don't feel any type of way about it . It's just an okay project .
¶ Drake's Return Sparks Debate
You don't think it's close to classic , it's good . If you want me to say it's really good , I guess I'll say it's really good , it's good .
I think it's really good . Like to like it's good . I think it's a great album . But I think it's one of those albums where the moment crazy , the moment outweighs the quality . So it's , you know , it's a classic moment which kind of pushes the album for a lot of people into classic status . But I think the hype of it was bigger than what the output was .
How about this ? I think they did just enough to not get disrespected for what their stature was at the time that they made it . How about that Exactly ?
That's fair , but I really mess with the album . The joints I like is unconventional . I like Murder to Excellence . I go back to . Who Gonna Stop Me ? Welcome to the Jungle , why I Love you . Prime Time , new Day Nobody does that , hey . What'd you say , sean ? I'm unique . I'm unique .
Maybe Murder to Excellence . Maybe Murder to Excellence .
I'm rather unique . But no , I don't even go back to the singles . Those album cuts is the ones I mess with mostly .
I really like the album . The album's better than the three .
That's for damn sure , but that ain't the same 3.5 .
I'll give it a four .
Nah , bro , don't do that . I'll give Watch the Throne a four . A lot of the beats on there were dope .
I might have to say Ford had .
It has no church for the wild Otis left . It's got . Ham Otis was a moment .
I wasn't a fan of ham . I actually don't like ham at all . That's my least favorite song other than the Beyonce liftoff joint .
Those two songs I'd skip every time I put the Beyonce joint out of my mind when I talk about the album , as you should .
So let's move on to the artist that has lit Fargate . By this time , that's one of Coop's favorite artists . Actually , Drizzy Drizzy is back man and I love it .
I want my jacket before it gets cold outside . I love this name . I want my jacket before it gets cold outside .
I love this name . Yo , drizzy is back at it and I want everybody who was hating on Coop's take on Kendrick . I want y'all to hate even more because Coop is going to go far with his Drake dropping 100 gigabytes out there on your head up . All you Kendrick fans , all you Cole fans , all you ASAP Rocky fans , all you Rihanna fans , all of you .
I love y'all getting it One by one from Drizzy he's back . He's back . Mad Max rejoice , he's back .
Y'all got to excuse Sean . He got , I think academics retweeted him today so he kind of filled himself . Sean , I think you're part of OVO .
Did academics retweet ?
you today . Yeah , man , shout out to academics , man , I know what the Fobbs is , man .
He really didn't , but Sean up here acted like it .
I was about to say , because personally I don't believe that happened .
I think you're lying , yo , adrian . These cats in West Virginia , man , I tell you Cool , cool .
Our boy is back , man , I'm telling you , First of all , I need my jacket by my birthday . That's in October , so I want my jacket by my birthday , you are .
OBO . Yeah , that's crazy .
Yeah , you want to know what's crazy . I don't know how I got here . I'm going to push a T thing , right . That's crazy . I don't know how I got here .
Like that's the beautiful thing about hip-hop is that I don't know how I ended up here , and that's why I know Kendrick's fan base is the worst fan base of all time , because they've got me here when I'm actually a Pusha T fan at heart .
¶ Drake vs. Kendrick
Post Nas is like quote unquote , lyrical prime Pusha T's my favorite MC . Like , personally , I ain't mad at that Like for me personally , so that's around 2006-ish . That's why I like HellH Half and Up Theory so much . You know what I'm saying , because it's like Pusha T and Malice , just real sidebar . They sound better than Jay and Nas in 2006 .
You understand that right ? Okay , yeah , just so you understand , at least in that time frame and period . So Drake , you know he's kind of a big deal . Here's how you need to look at it .
It's like , you know , one of the things that gets you know jay so idolized is , you know , because of his um , his financial prowess you know , and drake is very much kind of like off that tree and train of thought and thinking he's involved in a lot of things like jay , and it's really like getting money on a rapper level that nobody except for m and j is
really like gotten money , like while they were still like really really actively doing it and nobody really talks about it . It's kind of like you know . It's like you know all y'all thought jay was king because he had way more money and power than all these niggas and you don't understand Drake having the same thing , though right .
Drake is the modern Jay , before people say jumping out the window saying that . But just in the grand scheme of things .
Not as an MC , but in the value that he creates , that's centered around him . It's like , yeah , if that's how most of y'all have measured that dude , it's like , yeah , it's like well , if that's how most of y'all have measured that dude , it's like well , he's still that dude . You know what I'm saying ?
Because , much like the last time a dude lost a battle like this , that guy's career didn't stop at all .
I mean he fakes , he fake stopped it , but it kept going .
That was about . That was about avoiding 50 . Everybody should have avoided . 50 was like a typhoon coming through like New York City rap , wiping out all , all rappers that , like , made albums , like you know , before 1997 , like I'm glad you brought 50 real quick Coop .
I want to share something that my homie we was texting back and forth earlier and he told me that the one thing about this battle comparing it to 50 and Jive like when , since you brought up 50 Cent , when 50 took out Jive , he was already prepped and ready to take the baton and run with it and take all those fans and then some .
So he was saying to me that it was a plan . It was a plan Right . So where this Kendrick Drake battle is a little bit different is you know Kendrick won , but is he ready to take that baton and keep you know , feeding the people , you know with the music and supplant what drake brought to the populace ?
and to that you say what ? I'm not overstating it when I say this , I mean , and let's just be real , he don't have that in him it's not .
It's not his mo , it's not his mo . Like you know , he he disappears .
I'm not saying I'm not saying it like like in a negative connotation . I know his whack-ass fan base is gonna like , like , are gonna like think that I'm like being funny when I say that , but I'm actually saying that you know , he is a um in a lot of ways .
He's a craftsman , you know , and so he really does take time , like in crafting , where drake is kind of more like how the machine and the business side of the music industry really wants you to work as an MC and the artist at the rate and at the high quality level and at the attention and hits and likes and views and downloads and streams that it garners .
You know like Drake fits into that machine . Well , he , you know different , different fighters trained different . You know Like Drake fits into that machine . Well , he , you know different fighters train different . You know what I'm saying . Like they're trained for different fights . Really , you know what I'm saying . They cross over into each other's world sub .
You know what I'm saying . It's kind of like you know , when you go back to your best fights , Ali , Frazier , it's like well , Ali really don't want to get close with Frazier because of them body blows and them short hooks , but he can . Frazier don't really want to jab with Ali all night , but he can . You know what I'm saying .
So it's like they cross over into each other's worlds , but their fights are different . That's what makes the fight so enticing . You know what I'm saying . If they fought the same way , that would really be like . You know , it's hard for it to reach a certain level when the styles are similar and the same . It's like .
That's why we don't really talk about the kiss and seagull beef as much as like like we should . It's like it was actually a great beef but we don't really talk about it . But that's because the styles were so similar . The rhetoric .
that's actually my low-key favorite hip-hop battle of all time and it got overshadowed by Jay and Nas , but that's the one Talking on some bar shit .
it's top five in my opinion . It was a time to be alive .
It was not going on during
¶ Drake's Work Ethic Displayed
that time . Cool , I want to piggyback off what you said about Drake's work ethic , because this drop of the 100 gigabytes this tells you how much the guy actually works , because we can hit the track all we want , we can say what we want to say about it , we can badge him and all these things .
He's probably one of the hardest working artists , if not the hardest working rapper , in hip-hop . If you think about everything he dropped . These are unreleased . These are joints that he actually he did the joint for Yikes , the reference track for Yikes for Kanye , back in 2018 . You got all these videos . We got all these clips .
You got all of this material that he just dropped just out of nowhere . Now , again , it's taken up now . You haven't downloaded it when it first came out . It's not going to be there , but he's showing you his actual work ethic and I know we have people saying that he should have . You know , took a step back after taking the L to the battle .
Back after taking the L to the battle . I think it was you right , aj . You said he should have stopped . I said yes and no . With him dropping this , he's still showing . I think his plan is to show people . Kendrick is going to ride this , not like us . As long as you allow him to , I'm going to continue to do my thing .
I'm going to have a joint with Gordo . That's fire , it's fuego . I'm going to continue to do my thing . I'm going to have a joint with Gordo , which is fire , it's fuego . I'm going to have a joint with Lado . I'm going to come back with young Doug at 21 .
He's showing every avenue that got him the stardom to where he's at post-battle , before the battle , and now he's showing that . I'm going right back to that and I got more to talk , just in case you were wondering . You cannot deny his work ethic .
It's the total opposite of someone like K-Dot who takes his time to curate , who takes his time to really pin joints and not be as consistent . So back to your original point , ag , when you were saying your homeboy was talking about 50 was prepared to take the baton and run with it . It was 50's time , it was his time . He had GU in it , locked in .
He was locked in . You got Dre , you got M , you got all these different entities in your favor . This is not that . This is not that , because right now the industry is going to have to look at Drake and decide whether or not they want to make money or not , in lack of better words .
Do I want to make money or do I want to continue to be against this guy ? He stepped on the virtues to album release by making the mention of the joint album that's coming out . Your party next door you know what I mean .
That was a move I didn't see coming . Of course it's art of war .
I like that . I loved it .
Hey yo , but all those OVR artists that got shit . Drake don't have many allies left in the game , so he's like oh y'all that I shilled before , like yo , you're off the bench now .
Yo , mad Max . I ain't trying to chill with Rocky Slant , my bad Mad Max , but he did get rocky , though I'm a Rocky fan . Dude says Drake didn't have to do all that , just drop some heat and keep it moving . Yeah , the Raisinhead appreciate you . Chris , throw beans during the beef . I don't think . I don't know about that . I heard some whispers about that .
I don't know how true it is , but I heard some whispers about that . I think he's influenced some of those things . Tracy G with the $5 chat . No , drake , gotta keep doing it , man . That's his song with 21, . It's hard as fuck . Straight Fire . Nigga was bought up . Yeah , he can do these things . So what do you want to do , roll ?
over . I got a question for you , sean . Like all right , you're taking one angle perspective , like you're basically saying this is showing you know , it's a reminder to people to his work ethic . It's a flex , like yo , I can just do a hard drive , dump of like all the stuff you know I got songs , footage , whatever .
And then it's the other end of the spectrum . It's a lot of people saying like yo , this is an act of desperation , uh , because you wouldn't do that if you wouldn't have lost his beef . So you try to get people you know back on the wagon again . So what do you say to that ?
I'm gonna use one of cook's words this is the evidence . He's showing y'all . He's giving y'all evidence that he has stuff in the tub . Now I'm not for OVO or Drake , I'm just saying to drop all of this material reference tracks , unfinished products . Then you got new releases . All of this stuff is saying I have evidence of I'm continuing to work .
I got stuff okay , okay , sean .
So let me piggyback off of you and take it like a step further , if I may . Yeah , this is him saying it's like oh no , I do plenty of writing and reciting and recording and shit on my own without a ghost writer . That's's A , b . It's nothing for me to hand this mass amount of material to you because that means I've got more .
It's a chess move too To let you know . It's like well , if I just let that fly out of the sky like that , you know what I'm saying . How much more do you really think I have ? That's a lot to let fly . You're talking about a gigabyte . He might have a terabyte worth of material .
Well , to both of y'all's point , I think the truth is somewhere in the middle and I got a prediction , and I don't know if this will be true or not , but this is what I got to say . The truth in the middle is like people saying who , he's just doing this out of desperation . I don't totally disagree with that .
The timing may look like that , but I I disagree in a sense , because Drake has been known over the years to drop Lucy after Lucy after Lucy like , only available on SoundCloud and not on streaming services . Right , and then at one point he even packaged those up together and released a crazy dope project care package , which should be credit , you know that .
And Untitled , unmastered , should be credit to Nas' Lost Tapes , you know , because he was the first person who started repurposing unreleased songs and all that . That's another story for another day .
¶ Drake's Strategic Music Release Plan
But what I'm going to say is I think that the 100 gigabyte drop is signaling . I think he's going to test the waters with a care package too . You know what I'm saying and I think that he's going to . You know we got the three joints .
I think we're going to get a full album of unreleased joints and I'm going to say it's going to be a care package too . Not tonight , maybe next week , because I don't think it's a coincidence as to why big sean pushed his album back a couple weeks because he was supposed to drop tonight .
So that that's my bold prediction that this is leading into a care package too .
previously unreleased joints yeah , ag , what up ? There is no act of desperation . Where you sit , where Drake sits , that's what you get what I'm saying . Like there's no act of desperation even even with Kendrick being as big as he is , as great as he is , big , bad boogeyman that he may be , all of that shit .
Like y'all know , drake , big , big , right pause yeah , that was , that was crazy , that's crazy I was gonna say the thing I was gonna .
I was gonna like I was gonna let it go , man , but drake's like a lot of drake .
Drake stature in this game is like drake stature in this , guys , if you're talking about longevity , is about as strong as anybody could claim to have . Yeah , like , whether you like it or not , like his claim to like years of like succession , of like strength , like , even if you don't feel like he's king .
I'm talking about , like you know , there are different kings that live in different like provinces and like you know what I'm saying . And in different states , there are different kings that live in different like provinces and like you know what I'm saying , and in different states . And yeah , and it's like you know there are great kings , like everywhere .
It doesn't have to be like necessarily saying he's the best king of this era , but it's like as far as kingdoms go , he's got a you know he's got , it's got about as good as a kingdom as anybody's ever had in this hip-hop , you know , stratosphere of ours . So but despite that , despite status though he can , who out here really eating better than drink ?
Like who got Rihanna fucking footage in the tuck , like that ? If I'm ASAP , I'm calling this nigga . Like don't you ever do this again , nigga .
Nah , that's true , but no matter what your stature is , you can still do acts of desperation , and I don't think that's the case . I think it's somewhere in the middle , like that maybe doesn't get released if he's not in this predicament that he's in right now , but it's something that he's done before in the past and it's in his wheelhouse and it's on brand .
So I'm not holding this against him because he's doing that all now , because he always was like yo . Here's some joints on soundcloud they're not on streaming or whatever and these were some of his best joints , like you know , draft day , and it was a while before zero to 100 came out on anything .
And then , you know , I mean , like I said , he put out a whole album based on these types of songs with care package , and care package is damn near , like you know , four and a half . You know what I'm saying ? My album , it's fire . So I think we get in a another version of that . You , I could be wrong .
He might have all new material , but I think that is leading into a release of uh , previously unreleased material to test the waters , to be a temperature check for when he does spin the block and drop something else brand new .
So peter park with the five dollar chat said Drake is coming with a bunch of new stuff he's forcing himself to drop by dumping all the old stuff . It could be a play . He's a play . I'm sure it's a play . This is not by accident .
He's very calculated . It's for a reason .
What I'm saying is that also , too , let's keep in mind who we're dealing with .
So when you're talking about kanye , who doesn't thrive in today's current cycle the way he did in the previous cycle , where you're talking about the guy that has been thriving in that new cycle that you're talking about , better than anybody that we've almost seen thrive in any cycle at any time , you get what I'm saying , yeah , there is something to be said for
that . The way that he exists in this cycle of time in terms of relevancy culturally , musically and chart and numbers wise , you do understand that that is an accomplishment . It's like I don't take that away from him . I don't confuse him with one of my favorite guys on the mic , pusha T . If you ask me who's better , it's like oh well , for me Pusha T .
¶ Drake and Big Sean's Music Output
But if you're telling me Drake , I understand that you have plenty of evidence to say that to me . I'm just going to like point out Exodus , and you know what I'm saying , you know what I mean .
But but yeah , it's like that over there and I don't , and we try to front on and bring up like the ghostwriter stuff , and that's what I mean about like all this stuff . It's like here , any ghost writers on here , guys here , like you know what I'm saying , what ?
What other guy , what other guy of his stature , is going to drop this much material on you , just like for the for the hell of it for the hell of it , yeah I mean , you know what I thought of . You know what I thought of when you sent the message , sean .
I was like this is some Prince shit , yeah , where it's like I got 50 songs that I'm not keeping . It's like nigga , do you know who you are ? There's got to be about at least 5 to 10 songs in there , at least .
What sticks out to me , though , coop is like . I think these previous features that he's dropped this year have been kind of like a swing and a miss , so to speak . But that song is up with 21 and Young Thug . I've seen on Twitter even the Kendrick fans like yo , kendrick's my guy . But this joint right here- hey , Kendrick you know what I'm saying .
So I think that's the one that's like really , you know , like yo I'm back , and if he puts out a project with a handful of those , I mean , but that's okay , so let's just go to that record right quick , and then we probably need to move on .
Yeah , well , how many records has he already given us like that ? The number of that is ridiculous . Yeah , yeah , facts , facts . You know what I mean ? Like the number on that is ridiculous . How many times he's actually done this ? And that's what I'm saying .
It's like , well , it's like there is is no harming that , because this is shit in the tuck right , but we are .
We are in a what have you done for me lately ? Society , though that's my point .
You know what I mean he was just the biggest rap star on the planet this time a year ago yeah , yeah shit . He's one of the biggest stars on the planet at this point . Y'all do understand like . Do people understand that ? It's like he can call certain people that most rappers probably can't . You know what I mean .
It's like he can be like hey , I want to do a record with you . They'd be like yep .
Yeah , easy work .
Yeah , let's go get these numbers . Imagine if Drake and Adele did a record . You know what I'm saying , but he can actually make that call .
Speaking of the call , do you see where that account tweeted that J Cole tried to call Jay-Z ? That was nasty that was nasty work , man .
It's time to go to the next topic . I'm glad you did it .
That was for cool . I'm glad you did it . Thank you for that man .
We're working on the Sunday pull-up right now . I'm probably going to try to pull up Sunday and do more of a breakdown and a dive on the 100 gigs . And also , you know , we got some other stuff coming up that we need to talk about as well . But , I was impressed . Hold on , hold on . Weren't you impressed overall with the music ?
From what I've heard , I've only cycled through it once . It took about 30 seconds here , a minute there . Absolutely , there's some shit on there .
Yeah , a lot of joint was good . Housekeeping nose , that was dope .
The other joint that was a blue , green , red . It was all right , it was dope , yeah , some bangs on that . But I mean when you can throw away dope joints . That's a lot to say about your . You know your catalog .
Yeah , not many can do it . How about this ? How about this ? Like , that's what I'm saying . Like , think about it , these are his throwaways . His throwaways hit-wise and just quality of music , song-wise .
Y'all do understand it's just on a rap level and on the rap level being that , it's like well , you know , the first part about a song is to make the song good . Well , he makes a lot of good songs , like he does . You know what I'm saying . He doesn't have the albums to reflect it , but he's definitely got like the songs that reflect it .
Yeah , yeah so let's go to one person who's just on the outside . I see the chat is already talking about Big Sean . So Big Sean just had a interview with Charlamagne the God . Shout out to Charlamagne , all the Geechies out there in Charleston , where he's from , geechie land down there , shout out to Charlotte Mayne for sure , I'm aware .
I'm aware , I thought this was a really good interview .
They talked about a lot of things mental health , co-parenting , all of these different things that Big Sean deals with , just from his thought process and how he views himself as not just a rapper , but also the reality of not being mentioned in the top three or in that big three and be right on the top one , but also having the ability to go toe-to-toe with
anyone in the big three . He knows that and he even said that if he won't smoke , he's ready to give smoke to anyone , including Kendrick . I want to get you guys' reaction on that . What do you guys thought about the interview ? I thought it was dope .
What you guys think about it . Usually I don't like Charlamagne interviews because he's always going to try to relate it back to himself and mental health and all that stuff and like him writing a book and all that stuff .
But For this time it was appropriate , right , you know , because you know , we know that Sean's , you know , been through some stuff and him having that mental health talk with Sean was something , you know , that I feel like was genuine and appropriate , instead of him randomly doing it like he usually does .
But I digress , but I think that , um , it was a very emotional interview . I think Sean was a very candid . Um , I'm a big Sean fan . I , like you know how he said what he said , like you know what big three or whatever you know what I mean , cause he feels like whether it's a big three , big four , what have you ?
I'm in that conversation , I can rap with these guys at any point but he was very honest at the same time about his work ethic . He's like the only thing keeping me out of that conversation is having been releasing music regularly , so for him to still feel like you know he's right there with them skill-wise .
But be honest about you know his own work ethic and I see Coop facepalming because that comes back to his Kendrick point about not dropping nothing in so many years . But I liked how , you know , he was honest about that .
Now the one thing I didn't like about the interview and then I'll pass it to somebody else was when he was talking about , you know , the smoke back and forth with Kendrick which you know Charlamagne was going to get him to talk about that , but the showing of the text messages and that sort of thing which he didn't air him out because he said that's corny , I
don't want to read him live , but he showed him to Charlamagne out because he said that's corny , I don't want to , you know , read him live . But he showed him the charlamagne .
But I think even if kendrick did quote unquote apologize and everything was peace now that you brought that to the forefront of the interview and said like yo , he apologized to me and it wasn't no smoke , I think somebody like kendrick still doesn't take kindly to that .
So I would keep your eye out for because I I think you're going to get if Kendrick drops something , I think it'll be a shot there , because I don't know if he takes Conley to like them , you know , looking at the text messages on camera and him confirming Charlamagne , like yeah , yeah , you're right , he apologized to you .
If , if I'm Kendrick , then you know you might feel a way about it .
Hey , sean , I'm going to kick it to you in one second , but , ag , I got one question before we kick it to Sean to get his thoughts on this . So like , let me , ok . So here's the thing . So what if he like apologized ?
So what if he , like apologized , like , like , do you think that , first of all , big sean can actually beat kendrick in a battle , and do you think that big sean actually is doing this because maybe he needs a beef ?
uh , no , I think I think sean was genuine . I I think he says like to my fans that keep begging me to respond .
¶ Big Sean's Identity Crisis
That was an old leaked track . He didn't put it out officially . He apologized , it's no problem there .
Not what .
I asked . But if it was like , do I think he can go toe-to-toe with Kendrick ? Yes , I do . Number one , I'm a big Sean fan . But two , I know how sensitive our rappers are .
That's why I said , if Kendrick is seeing that interview , keep your eyes open , because I do think we get an updated , updated Big Sean shot and then we'll get a Big Sean retaliation and then we'll have a Kendrick Big Sean battle down the road , because I think that Kendrick will have something to say about them analyzing his text over the interview .
Well hold on . Okay , sean , I promise we're going to get to you , but hold on AG . One more question If you was in Kendrick's shoes and some nigga was showing another nigga Texas about you apologizing , would you take kindly to it ?
That's what I'm saying . That's what I'm saying . Keep your ears open for the next Kendrick thing that drop . I'm pretty much guaranteeing it's going to be something about Sean in those bars .
I be trying to tell people . It's like I don't know how , I don't know how , whoever gets down , I'm a grown ass man . First .
But I think Sean kind of felt like in that moment he had to prove that like got defensive yeah , like no . Yeah , you know my fans acting like I'm ducking smoke , but I'm gonna show you where homie apologized to me on some , but he said that was . Then he said we don't talk but .
But what I'm saying is is that that still felt intentional , like he intended 100 100 that pot . That's why I was asking do you feel like he needs like a rat beef right now ? Maybe it's camp's opinion , maybe that's like you know .
You got publicists and hr and like , like people , like not hrpr , you got , you got people like that that actually like will be like hey , like this is what's cracking right now sean's tired , sean's tired of being in the shadows .
And I thought it was interesting because I never heard this angle of the story . But when he was talking about , you know , like that , stepping on his freestyle and his album rollout and all this stuff and then even go back to control um kendrick still in the limelight on that , and then Sean was like but it was me who put that song out , it was me .
And then he said that the reason why it never came out On the album is because TDE didn't sign off on it and that's why I didn't really and I never heard that Part of the story before , because it caused so much commotion .
I think at the end of the day , that's just Industry politics . That has more to do with the stature of the artist impacting it . Sean , what are your thoughts on this ? Sean interview and impending material thoughts play stature in the game . Let's hear Sean talk about Sean .
Sean on Sean .
Sean on , sean , pause . I tried not to say that . You niggas all said it this is the most inappropriate hip-hop podcast .
Very inappropriate .
Mostly you .
I'm very professional .
You opened up a honey pack at the end of a show two shows ago .
I was desperate .
I ain't gonna lie . I'm saying see , no matter your position or your stature , you can be desperate sometimes .
That's right . I knew Sean was desperate . He just had to show it on camera .
What are you for ? I had to do a thing . He said I had to do a thing .
It's not an excavation . You're not looking for tombs in Egypt .
You got to hit the bloodstream man so you got to get about 20 , 25 minutes in . You can't go up there premature thinking you're about to go crazy . I asked you to talk about Big . Sean , you said hit the bloodstream .
It's crazy . Okay , we might have to just take the next topic .
My thing with Big Sean is this man , if I'm Big Sean , look at it like this I'm on tracks with Eminem , so Eminem co-signs me , he represents me . He represents me very well , talks highly of my skills . Em just don't drop on tracks with anybody .
They're from Detroit , Sean .
I don't know if I can get that . That's true , but still , em is not going to hop on with anybody that doesn't have a little bit of skill , and not only that , when they're on tracks together it's not like Em is all the way over here and Big Sean is over here . He's right there , neck and neck .
No , sean's performances have been great with him . And don't stop at Eminem . Talk about Nas , Jay , Kanye , Drake , Kendrick , all of them .
Who's who . He's been on tracks with these guys and he was not smoked . He held his own I'm going to say by his voice , his cadence , whatever the case may be . When it came to bar work he was barred up with some of the best . So he has every right to feel the way he feels .
I think the thing that hurts Sean is the fact that and I think Jack mentioned that he doesn't have a strong crew around him to back him up . When he had that with Ye and that crew , when he was doing all of those things , it was ghostwriting . He was bringing ideas to that crew .
When he threw all of those things , it was ghostwriting , he was bringing ideas to that crew and they were thriving and it kind of left them out to dry . You know what I mean . That's how your crew kind of dismantled and Big Sean , I think , was one of the ones who took the brunt of that dismantle because 2 Chainz still 2 Chainz , 2 Chainz still smoking .
Guest features .
Pusha is still Pusha right .
Yes , Kanye is still who he is , whether he's out there or not . He's a shade of who he used to be . He is he very much so is , but he still moves the algorithm needle . Oh yeah . Bichon doesn't move the algorithm needle .
Are you saying that Sean doesn't have an identity right now ?
Bingo . Here's the problem . The problem is that he doesn't have an identity Now . The problem is that he doesn't have an identity now because he never had an identity then . Like , originally , explain some more . Like . He's like how about this ? He's the young guy in the crew . He's like Tayshaun Prince on , like the 2004 Pistons .
It's like he's part of a championship team , but he's not the driving force behind the championship team , because it's like you got G Wallace , you got Ben Wallace , you got Chauncey Billups , you got Rip Hamilton . Like you're the fifth guy in the starting lineup . Actually , that's an all-time great starting lineup , if you actually like to think about it .
Like , just like , fundamentally speaking in basketball terms , it's an all-time great starting lineup . And so I feel like that's kind of happened to sean , where it's like no , like he's just the fifth best player in in a championship . So he's going to get some of the same treatment .
I know this is going to seem like a strange analogy , because they couldn't be any more different as MC , but he's going to get a lot of cool G-Rap treatment because of that . Yes , he's going to get a lot of cool G-Rap .
That's a hell of an analogy Coop yeah .
He's going to get a lot of cool treatment because it's like well , you got , I'm with you . But people swear by g-rap though , like I said , I'm a sean fan , right , but the people who swear by him because I swear by g-rap , yeah , that's what I'm saying . So it's like the way you swear by sean is the way I swear by g-rap , and it's like no .
But when you start getting down and going to the albums because he because even when you like like go listen to him , it's like no . But when you start getting down and going to the albums , because even when you go listen to him , it's like on the symphony , him and Kane is like neck and neck . That's prime Kane .
Prime Kane is as good as it gets guys .
Prime Kane is as good as it gets right .
But this is Sean's point . It's his contemporaries that swear by him instead of the fans .
Yes , you know why . Remember on Django , when old boy said he didn't have panache . Yeah , panache , he doesn't have panache . He doesn't like Jarv said in the chat . He doesn't have that charisma Because you don't either .
You know , like him , you don't really care for him , like you're not in between right , I don't want to go too crazy with this , but one thing that I told coop about a year and a half , two years ago , I said , man , what make a2hh work is the fact that a lot of people don't like coop but a lot of people love coop , right ?
no , he didn't tell me that , him , that ? Who the fuck is this nigga ? But ?
I was like I said Mike is nice , so a lot of people like niceness Dormant guy and I mean no disrespect at all , no , keep it the same . There is an identity that they can identify themselves with . I don't think the fan base can identify themselves with Sean either way . Nah , y'all are cooking .
You know what I'm saying . You're doing a psychoanalysis on Sean . But nah , y'all right . And then the Cool J rap comparison was spot on .
What kind of emotion you have behind Sean ? We don't get emotionally driven by Sean .
If somebody says , nah , it's not the goal , we go crazy Like think about this . Ll Cool J is your star , yeah . Rakim is your lyricist . Krs-one is your teacher . Kane is your all-around Slick . Rick is your storyteller . Cool G Rap is Street guy Because all these guys are saying street shit . You know what I'm saying .
So it's like when you're the street guy , you know all the other guys are from the streets and they're saying street shit too .
Yeah , the identity is Therefore .
Therefore they created kind of a lane outside the street shit while still talking the street shit .
Yeah , the identity is not as clear . I got a question for both of y'all right , because we talked about how in depth this interview was and you know it was candid and it was really good . Do you feel like the problem lies that ? Where the problem lies is that we got more from this interview out of Sean as a person than any of his music .
Damn . I know you're going to go that way .
Oh , that's absolutely like for us might be in the fact that you know you have people that the words that they speak in real life and how they actually behave in real life is actually nothing like who they are on the mic , to their detriment , because it's like I didn't really know
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that guy . When I was watching the interview I was like what the fuck is this bingo ? But , then I thought about it . It's like what if I sat down and watched the big Sean interview for this long ? You know what I'm saying .
We get more out of the interview than the music . But do you think it's that way ?
When's the last time ?
we did an interview like this . Yes .
But is that what Tyler the creator was saying to him ? Because it sounded like Sean wasn't even clear on what Tyler was trying to say . He said rapping is your biggest superpower , but it's also you know what I'm saying . Like you know the worst thing about you , or something I'm paraphrasing , but you know his .
I think it was speaking to his ability to just you know rap and rap and bars and bars and bars , but we're not getting enough of him .
It's his way of saying if you would connect all of the dots , you would be a bigger star in this sky and it would translate to other things for you . And those other things I think that exist is the person that we actually saw in the interview .
Did you find yourself actually saying it's like yo , this is like a highly intelligent , you're immersed , thoughtful , well-spoken , calculated like , calculated like in a natural manner , not like in a devious or nefarious manner , like he struck you as somebody that you actually would find like interesting , right , and it's like that's what we've been asking for .
Actually , it's like where's the interest ? You know what I'm saying ?
And the music , and the music .
Where is that guy on record ? And listen to what I'm saying ? Because people do it . No , no , no . The key to music is you've got to make it work , because then we have to be able to relate to it . So you might be doing a good job .
Fundamentally , but the intangible part is the connection . We got to feel connected . Do we get that on this album that he just pushed back ? Do you think that that version of him is going to be on this album ?
I hope so . He has good projects , but he doesn't . That's another thing too . When we talk about J Cole's catalog , it's in question some things . It's far better than Sean's yeah , and so and so . That's a lot about his placement too .
So it's like on a good day he's fourth place in catalog , where the guy in third place gets ostracized more than he does for his catalog . Absolutely , think about it , the guy ahead of you gets ostracized for his catalog more than you do , but part of that is because , like you , lay low as far as his generation is concerned . His ceiling is probably four .
And then there are people that tell you that they prefer A$AP Rocky . I would probably take A$AP Rocky . You know what I'm saying .
I wouldn't , but I'm not mad at that .
I mean , just because I go on some rap shit . You know what I'm saying ?
Some people would say Wale . I don't see it , but some people would put Wale .
Wale's not top five in this generation .
Yeah , I agree with that .
He's not . No , I mean he had an opportunity and like that .
But nah , y'all are spitting man For real .
Yeah , what's the next thing ? Sean , what we got , I got this one last thing .
We're going to move on . We're pacing really well . I have this question for both of you guys . I said Prince Coop , you always talk about Prince . I know , KG , your favorite artist of all time is Nas , of course . Is there a song that you guys can say ?
This song from this artist really pulls me in when I meet a space in a headspace and I know , if I get this artist in this song , what would that be ?
For me Nas absolutely .
How about you cool ?
you know , of all the records that he made , the record that stuck with me has as a young child and that's why it's my favorite album of his over the purple rain , is the song sign of the times . Off the album sign of the times , it's some .
It's some of my earliest memories of me actually remembering the words to a song completely , but also knowing like what he was saying was even deeper than I could understand at the time . You know what I'm saying .
Like when he said in france a skinny man died of a big disease with a little name , I knew I was hearing something that was just musically like , brilliant and genius like , but I also knew it was beyond my comprehension when I heard it too .
That's kind of what made it stick and so I would pick sign of the times by Prince great , so good and the reason why .
I asked you guys that question is because you both went to a . I could see your facial expression . You went to that space for that song that you made right . For me it's always been on trust for Nas , because I was betrayed by a friend of mine who I looked at as a brother and but we outgrew each other . I kind of outgrew him , if you will .
So I've always leaned to that song when I felt a certain way about betrayal . But it always , you know , kind of took me there there emotionally . So those of you in the chat , I would ask you to put a song or artist that you are emotionally tied to , for whatever reason .
Anytime you're in the funk , you're in the mode or in the mood or whatever , who's that artist you go to and what's that song you go to . And I asked that , if we can close , go to the next segment . Ask that because big sean doesn't have that emotional attachment .
Right Hold on . Hold on , sean , when you said that , and actually you talked about how you watched our expressions . You know , every time that record comes on , I go to our house in Lithonia , like my mom , my son who just passed , rest in peace .
You know my stepdad , my cousin , six and Vici , who I talk about all the time , all of us , and my sister , my first sister on my mom's side , who was one at the time , like a baby at the time it's like that .
That was our house and sign of the times came out when we had actually like , finally , like moved out of the city , so to speak , which used to be like the hood . You know what I'm saying . He moved to a nice suburb which was Latonia and left Atlanta and Decatur and then finally moved up here .
Every time Sign of the Time comes on , I go to my mother playing it in the living room . The first time that I heard it on a Sunday when she was cleaning the house . Every time I go , I'm that seven-year-old kid again hearing it for the first time in the living room that Sunday when she puts it on .
I still remember the needle hitting the record and stuff that connection matters . You have to grasp people . You have to grasp your audience . No matter what your audience is , you have to grasp them , and grasp them at that moment where they can't let you go exactly exactly that's like we would dance .
I can't listen to dance by nas . No , that's crazy .
Yeah , I'm emotionally drawn to that song because of events that happened that time , you know yeah so it's tough yo , I'm gonna change mine because you prefaced it Nas , but I didn't know we was going that deep pause . But you know Nas is still my favorite artist .
But the song that would be that how Coop described it , and you know you relating it to personal issues , sean , with trust or for worse , but that song for me would be Only Human by Joe Budden . That's my one go-to . That song got me through real dark times .
Like I listen to that song daily for a long time , like that's one of my favorite records of all time bar none .
I would have never thought that about you , AG .
Yeah , I mean there's a lot of people don't know . But yeah that , that , that record got me through some dark times . Man , that joint , you know I'm saying every time I hear it .
You know I'm saying I damn near tear up every time I hear it , because you know it was a spiritual connection to that song , for real hey , you want to know what Like guys like I can't say this enough .
I say it a lot in jest because I usually say it when people are like in trouble with the law or doing like R Kelly , diddy type of stuff Like and I'd be like one great album changes everything , but it really really does , because it's the music that really matters at the end of the day .
It's why we're sitting here talking about it for hours every week and sometimes on brunch on Sunday , like a couple hours away from our families and our free time and our other passions and endeavors . Like the talk and stuff . It's about the music at the end of the day .
And if he makes an album like and this is what I'm saying nobody's I'm not asking him to make good kid mad city , those albums don't get made that often . I understand that . You know what I'm saying . Nobody's asking you to make that . Nobody's even asked asking you to make like forest hills or take care .
It's like make something worthy of putting yourself in the conversation actually .
That's true to him .
Absolutely Right . Where it's like this is some Sean shit . A lot of people feel like some of J Cole's albums might be better than Forest Hills Drive , but the reason that Forest Hills Drive is considered by most consensus to be his true classic and his best record is because it's the best reflection of who he is .
The same way , good Kid Mad City is for Kendrick the same way , take Care is for Drake , or if you're this , now it's too late , depending on if you consider that or not . Bingo , bingo because it connects you who the artist is right exactly .
I got to identify with the artist I have . That's all . I can use it like , like , like .
Does he even like think about this ? How often do you hear like sean talk about like coming up in detroit , but in a manner like how about this ? I always go to this record . This is why I love this record . When I go to the setup setup on it Was Written it's because it's like no , he's showing me how they do shit in QB .
Yes .
Sean made the type of records even about Detroit , where it's like he's showing me how you do shit in Detroit .
He has to be on tracks with other artists from Detroit , usually before he gets in that bag .
No , I need you in that bag , right . No , like I need you in that bag , right , right , yeah , right , but , but , but , that's but . That's what it's missing . He's not missing anything else . He's got the hits . He's got the guest appearances uh , he's got the money . He's got the girl . He's got the wealth . He's got the fame . He's got the connections .
He's got the bars . He's got the songs . He just doesn't have the album . So the albums is really the only thing missing from his tuck . You know what I'm saying . So if he can lay one or two out in this stretch , that's just more than solid or good . We can be like man .
That album was great yeah , no , I'm hoping for the best for him .
I rock with sean , so I'm hoping he puts out a like if he makes a born sinner , that does a lot for him that's my favorite cole record see what I'm saying . Like most people , like a lot of people feel that way . Like I think I actually think in terms of like .
If you're talking in terms of like , the replayability of a song by itself outside of the album , born Sinner is easily better than Forest Hills Drive . But there is something about the way Forest Hills Drive plays as an album . I agree it's very KD3 and Magic 3 like it .
It is , it's in that vein .
Yeah , where it's like , oh no , the song's on Born Sinner it's like boom , boom , boom , boom boom . But the way Forest Hill Drive plays Front to back yeah .
Yeah , the way it plays . So , fellas , let's go to the next one . We have our last segment . Let me get a super chat real quick . We got Deuce . Appreciate you , deuce . I think Sean is picking a torture at Jermaine Drop . Yeah , if J Cole cannot release something credible this year and Big Sean drops something banging , we got to revisit that conversation .
Ill Magic $5 super chat . Appreciate you , bro , you're active tonight . A song I'm emotionally connected to is Big Chris , I Gotta Stay . Appreciate you , bro . Act of the night . A song I'm emotionally connected to is Big Chris , I Gotta Stay . Oh yeah , definitely I would listen to that song at a time when my grandmother was going through a lot .
Yeah , man , those are the type of joints that pull you in . It pulls you straight in and you can identify yourself with that artist on what they're going through , because you're going through that same thing . And that's what music is all about . That's what we're so passionate about .
We argue about who our best artists are rappers of our time , artists in general of our time because we are emotionally attached to them . What it means to me ? It means that much more to me and not so much to someone else . That's why we fight for it .
Shout out to the K-Dot fans for fighting for K-Dawg , because he probably represents a lot of short people , but it's all good , I won't be shouting any of you niggas out .
You're a bunch of ho-teps . Outside of Cali you're a bunch of ho-teps I'm not talking about the Cali niggas . I actually want to go back to Cali comfortably . The rest of you are a bunch of ho-teps who don't know anything .
That's all I got . You don't know a coup . Let them breathe coup .
You tell them to let their women breathe , throwing ass niggas .
No , the prayer coup is going to come out . The prayer coup is going
¶ The Lox Tiny Desk Critique
to come out , yo . So fellas the Logs did a tiny desk and before I ask you guys to give your thoughts on it , I want to show you the actual list that they actually played . So they did all for the love . Recognize good love , good times by your side , kiss your ass , goodbye , money pop , respect , and are we going to make it ?
So let's react , let's respond , let's have a conversation about this Lox tiny desk and a lot of legacy within itself . How do you guys feel about that tiny desk ? It was pretty quick , it wasn't that ? long it was actually a pretty quick , tiny desk , I think like 30 minutes maybe I was 17 minutes bro .
I know it's short but it was dope . It needed to be at least 30 minutes .
It needed to be at least 30 minutes .
It needed to be about an hour . First of all , what I would like to submit to you all is that the best tiny desk ever , which is the Her Tiny Desk , is only 18 minutes long .
I haven't seen that .
The Her Tiny .
Desk that's from five years ago .
The Her Tiny Desk is one of the tiny desks that like like , put her in the stratosphere and put my desk in the stratosphere this is it better than scarface joint , because I got that at the top for me yeah , it is okay , I'm gonna check it out , like my check it out but her tiny desk is so impressive to me , like and this is where she really caught my
attention . it's like I liked her music but I found myself and this is back to Prince being my favorite artist of all time and also , in my opinion , the greatest artist of all time when she did her shit live on Tiny Desk . It sounded better to me and I was like , oh , it's like your music sounds better live , it's like .
Well , I don't know a lot of people that way . No , it's not . It's like .
I'm going to check that out .
It's got millions of views now . Like I still play it like . I mean like , so we talk about connection and stuff . It's like , well , it helped get me through my breakup . You know what I'm saying . Like that's actually what I would play at night , like when I would like go to bed , like alone .
You know what I'm saying it was like you know , going through it , when you go through the breakup , it it's like no , her tiny desk . Yeah , it's like that . I'm going to check it out . 18 minutes , it's too quick . You should just put that shit on repeat and just watch it . No doubt , no doubt .
Whoever does these bookings , man , they do a good job .
Oh yeah , absolutely , Absolutely . Can I submit something to you all , if I may ?
Yeah , I didn't love the tracks that they chose if I have to be honest , it was an interesting line-up . That's why I wanted to show it to you guys .
That was an interesting line-up . I didn't agree . First of all , I still think I would have loved to hear the Mighty , mighty D-Block over a live band . Everywhere we go , people want to know who we are .
Wouldn't that be a ?
good way to start a Tiny Best Like on some lock shit .
Yeah , I'm surprised .
Ryder Dachik didn't make it .
I was thinking that too .
I think that would have been great . We know why you're okay with it not making it . Sean , I'm okay with that man .
Nobody asked you what you thought . Sean oh man .
I'm going to pull another picture out of the test .
Or he's going to pull some more quantifiable facts out .
Well , that was during that time too , man . I'm going to put pull some more quantifiable facts out . That was during that time too , man . That's wild .
Let me ask you this before you proceed with your breakdown when you first heard All For the Love with the Keys at the beginning now , granted , they didn't wrap that verse but you wasn't like yo , they about to be on some ish .
You know what I mean .
That set the tone for me .
It's a great tone setter , but they didn't keep that tone . Man , that's harsh . I'm just , I'm just being honest . It's like I actually would have preferred that they performed that record . It's , it's I mean , it's the best record on their first album , isn't it ? Yeah ? Yeah , you're not gonna perform the best record on your debut album
¶ The Lox Tiny Desk Analysis
. Man , I thought I thought we was all gonna come here and wax poetic about this joint .
I want to . You're not going to perform the best record on your debut album , man , I thought we was all going to come here and wax poetic about this joint . I want to hear what you didn't like . Coop , this is crazy .
It's not that I didn't like it , it's just because of who they are and what they represent , I would have liked that scene a little bit more balanced . It's like you know , I didn't even it's going to sound crazy I didn't even love the . We Gon' Make it like that .
Hmm , on the tiny desk . Yeah , I felt like the timing was off .
What about Money ? Power , Respect , bringing the strings out . Like you wasn't feeling that , I love that one .
No , no , no , that was dope . That was one of the better moments .
And then the young lady doing Kim's ad-libs and stuff . She was on fire , she was killing it .
She was . I'm glad it didn't get to her . I don't agree .
I don't agree . Yo , this is crazy . I don't agree .
I don't agree .
Hold on .
She was good , but I didn't think that she was like . I didn't feel like she was like NBA Jam on fire . I was actually finding myself asking it's like are they going to wrap the DMX verse ? And it's Kim coming out ? Because if not , they could have picked ride or die chick .
You know what ? I'm going to ask you if this was one of your problems before you even get to it , because I could see where you're going .
Well , you know y'all have kind of like taking all of my , my , my rhetoric out of me , so we can pass the pass , the pass , the baton no , because I'm really intrigued on why you didn't like it as much as I did .
Were you met ? Because , with the song selection , were you mad at the diplomatic approach ? Because it seemed like it was like a strategic effort . Like yo , we got to get this joint with the Chic verse . We got to get this joint with the Styles P solo .
Yes , it is because I want to hear we're going to R-U-F-F-R-Y-D-E Revolver semi-automatic in the PG hoop get away drive breathe easy , yeah , okay .
I'm kind of rolling . You're almost changing my perspective . I'm kind of rolling with you , but I'm not . I think if the set was longer I think we'd get those .
None of y'all better .
Alright , I'm with you now , coop . This is crazy . Y'all witnessed it . This might be the first time live on air , that Coop , dissuading me all the way , changed my mind .
None of y'all better , can I ? Interest anybody out here in none of y'all better .
Primo yeah , man , Damn Coop , why you have to mess this up . For me you know it's this . And then the common not doing hooks . You done messed two things up .
For me , tiny desk is intimate and you want to know what ? Where I learned this about tiny desk ? Watching scarface and juvenile , I realized when you're most honest about your best shit and you really just get honest about your shit and like really just give people your best shit .
Like juvenile's whole set was raunchy but it's like that's what he does well and he just went for it . It's , tiny desk , do what you do well and go and go for it like you want to know what I , you know what . It would have been great on this tiny desk , like to start off if they weren't going to do like like the lock shit .
It's to start off with feel me by , kiss off , kiss the game , goodbye . That's my that that's one of my favorite kids think about the strings playing with that while he's rapping that verse and going into it like it's an intimate setting , like make it intimate .
So it's like either like like tear the club up from the window to the wall or like hit them with the feel me joints and like hit them with that that thought-provoking like , like stuff that they actually do have the capability of doing in some of the hits . You know what ?
I'm saying they didn't do Benjamins . Well , there's a reason for that . There's a reason for that .
No , no , no , that guy is in trouble .
He can't say anything .
right now His attorneys have bigger problems . His attorneys have bigger problems than the Bucks doing all about the Benjamins . So you're saying the box doing all about the .
Benjamin , so you're saying , go the South .
Like hold on , ag , not to cut you off . Imagine like going into it and Kiss is actually Telling the story . It's like yeah , so like you know , like Puff came to me and asked me , you know , to write the Like it tells the story and then actually Spits the verse how he wrote it .
Yeah , I can see that .
He wrote the verse which I want to do and when you actually listen to it now , running from the Jake and the Taurus , that's 97 Kiss . You know what I'm saying .
And you would respect it more coming from Kiss , because he wrote it Right , y'all didn't pull that out the bag , but there's so many other things in their legendary bag I feel like they could have pulled out the bag so you're saying you know from the intimate approach , maybe go the Styles P on black route , something like that either that or just go the gangsta
ass . I'm gonna murder half a Yonkers on my albums because that's what I do . Approach like pick one or the other .
I'm almost rolling with you Coop give war , give me peace .
Don't give me this in-between shit .
I'm almost rolling with you , coop . Thanks for ruining the tiny desk for me , like you ruined Tom and not doing hooks , and ruined the auditorium for me .
I'm glad I could be of assistance .
I'm still standing on it .
Go ahead , sean , I don't got nothing . Man , coop man , he put a damper on my . I came on here ready to wax poetic about the .
Tiny Desk . You texted me like yo . Man , this Tiny Desk is the best scene of my life . You was going crazy . He was like yo .
It's not better than Scarface , not better than Face . Let's not get carried away .
Not get carried away .
Yeah , he went crazy . He was like yo , we ought to see you in class .
Not better than Usher , her or Scarface Watch this .
Watch this Usher's a goat , though man Usher's a goat . I enjoyed it . I enjoyed it . I'm glad that the three of them had a chance to shine individually . As a collective as well , I get it . I get for what they had to do .
You know , we could , we can go through that catalog and let's be honest , fellas , let's be honest I know , Jack is going to kill me for this .
But on the streets is a classic . Some of them beats though Some of them Swizz joints didn't age well , do you think it's a classic ? But FU though FU is my favorite Swizz beats beat of all time . That or World War III , one of those two .
That album is really , really great . It it really is . Is it a classic ? But I don't know if it's a classic , because here's a couple things . I feel like it's a little too long and I feel like some of the beats aren't strong enough .
And I'm not going to blame it totally on swiss , because here's their also the reality of matters , since this was their killer on there . Well , this was their break-off album . They could have gotten more primo . They could have went a couple places and did a couple things .
Guys , this is in a time where a lot of the guys who we still hold high all time are still actively making beats . It's like no , they could have probably went and gotten some Marge Professor , some Q-Tip , some Pete Rock , some Alchemist , some Havoc , some RZA . The era was different though .
I mean the era was different , but part of what made them so great is that they represent an appropriate transition for the hip-hop head into that stratosphere .
Which album do you like better , coop , their Bad Boy album or um we are ?
the streets . Oh , we are the streets . It's not even , it's not even conversation . Fuck you , fuck you . Blows everything off off the first album and breathe easy is my joint . Um , that's the record that I was about to say , the Styles joint , felony .
Oh my goodness yes . I feel like we had this conversation before Sean on Stationhead , didn't we Not about we Are the Streets being borderline classic .
I didn't think it was borderline classic . I don't think it's a classic .
I always think it's borderline . I'm being honest .
I think it's a dope album .
How about this ? It's considerably better than Watch the Throne . To me , if I'm giving Watch the Throne a four , I'm giving we Are the Streets a 4.25 or a 4.5 . There's a step up . Think about how the album starts off . Everybody is a snake . That's why I got my grass cut so I can see it when they coming .
They ass up because the niggas that you went to school with will catch you while you're in your new whip and turn your brains into cool whip Nigga that you're running around getting ass with . Ain't gonna help . You do nothing but carry your casket . Oh , my goodness .
Yo he was going crazy . That's almost better than that he was going crazy . The album starts off like that , that's almost better than that he was going crazy , but she got the best verse on that .
Barwork-wise , that's one of their best mic performances as a group .
It's fucking easy .
When he said at the end I need an oven , glove my shit so hot Listen . I went crazy when he said that Look man , fuck that , Can I live .
Look man , fuck you , Can I live .
Breathe easy . Can I live ? It's crazy . The last joint moment , the last song we Are the Streets .
That would mean it's blood pressure with kids Going at Diddy , yeah . Yeah , the we Are the Streets record 80% of the album's record .
That's what .
I mean about some of those beats is that they're in pocket and they're on time . Some of those beats didn't hold up as well , but that's a great album .
Yeah , this is a dope album . I think remember back then it got killed in the magazines .
The magazines swore I think it got like four in the source .
No , the source gave it like three . It was like three , three and a half .
Remember they were saying Three and a half Uh-huh they were saying the focus was too much on the city . I think it was a three and a half . But what I love about that album , that Rough Riders compilation set the tone with , you know , dope Money and joints like that .
You know I think the anticipation for that joint was like so high around that time it was also the setup for Kiss , because we gonna get for Kiss .
It was meant for Kiss . Let's get Kiss on the forefront because remember , kiss blazed the Rough Riders compilation . He was the star on that . He was the star on the features on the remix of Amaya . So this was Kiss coming out party .
I would tell you this too Even though Kiss was coming out , DMX was the man .
Oh , we know that yes and no . Yes and no . Remember 2012 ? Yes and no .
¶ Jadakiss and Nas' Collaboration Success
X was slowing down some by this time On the Rough .
Riders compilation DMX was the man .
Then there was X there . X was still On the .
Rough Riders compilation .
The electric was at the time too . And then there was X . There X was still hot as fish grease .
I think X's record to close out the Rough Riders compilation might be the strongest record on there . Still , oh , absolutely , he killed it .
It's either that or dope money for me . I love dope money .
Yeah , either that or dope money . I think Rough .
Riders purposely Like how about this Kiss ?
and X got solo songs on the Rough Riders . Compilation X has the better song . Kiss of Death is a dope album .
Oh yeah , I mean , look , x was X . By this time he had what three albums out by this time . They were all platinum by this time .
It was two by now . The third one hadn't dropped yet .
Because he had dropped two in 98 and that third one came in 99 . Remember he dropped two in 98 . Yeah , but Rough .
Riders compilation is before the third album . I'm pretty certain .
I think . And then there was X came out after the compilation .
When did Rough Riders 2 came out ?
That was before the Great Depression , okay .
That album was kind of depressing .
I'm sorry , but I'm not mad at your take , sean , about we Are the Streets being close to a classic . Now , if I'm using that buy-in , I'm going to use that on Kiss the Game Goodbye instead of we Are the Streets yes , because I favor that more and we are in the that on Kiss the Game Goodbye instead of we Are the Streets yes , because I favor that more .
And we are in the anniversary of Kiss the Game Goodbye yes , I felt like Kiss the Game Goodbye is closer to a classic than we Are the Streets is to a classic .
Yeah , it's better . It checks every box .
But the problem in checking every box it seemed kind of formulaic in which how he did it like west coast joint , street joint , lady joint , hard joint , locks joint , radio friendly joint , like it seemed like he was setting out to do that versus it happened organically and I think that's the only thing that kept it from being a classic .
But if you look at like the joints on here , I mean you got um show discipline like who said feel me , uh-huh with dmx is crazy . None of y'all better coop mentioned that we gonna make it classic track . You know , I'm saying knock yourself out . As a classic club and radio record it had everything and kiss was the hottest rapper going right then .
And there , yes , you had Jay , you had Nas , but as far as anticipation wasn't , nobody anticipated more than Kiss's solo and Prodigy's solo around that era .
And Kiss delivered , but Prodigy God bless , did not .
Agreed . Okay . So first of all , kiss was supposed to be 50 . The career that 50 had as a solo artist was supposed to actually be Kiss's career . He was supposed to be the one to take the baton from Jay and from Nas . He was next up .
That's probably one of the 50s feat accomplished because it's not hard to take the baton from Nas and Jay and surpass somebody like a Jay to Kiss in the process . It's not an easy haul , not at all , it's not an easy haul Toughest hauls in the history of rap . Might be the toughest haul in the history of rap .
People need to start looking at 50s reign I don't mean to sidebar . People need to start looking at 50s reign and his run , his Rakim and J like Lightning in a bottle , where it's like no , no , no , no , no .
That guy for about three years , but that guy for three years being that guy for three years in this climate , which was a turnover , heavy , fast , rapid type of climate , even when we were kids and still exists even more rapidly .
So now to this day , it's like no , that means something in the time that he did it , because he also did it at a crucial time , like he's very much a transitional figure , like tupac is in a lot of ways too , in terms of transitioning the game into the new sphere . So it's like he took the ponton from our two greatest mcs .
He took it away from kiss , who was supposed to be in the top five all-time conversation , and I'm saying took it away in a . It's just how the cards .
He's more commercially viable .
He works in the system very much . He works in the system better , just like Drake works better in the system , just like . Jay works better in the system , just like L worked better in the system .
Perfect fit for that system . I think M and Dre needed 50 , just about as 50 as the perfect fit for that system . I think M and Dre needed 50 , just about as 50 as M and Dre during that time .
Yeah , I agree , but here's some of the pushback that I'm going to give you . Okay , so the thing with Jadakiss is that when people are expecting you to replace Nas and Jay in the pantheon of all-time great rappers all-time and New York rappers all-time , the bar work level required is different . There is nothing on Kiss the Game Goodbye . That is ill-matic .
It was written , was written . Reasonable doubt volume one worthy . It's not in , it's not the same fucking level . Just keep it real . But hold on , hold on , hold on . And also , too , there is the fact that naz totally stunted on him on show discipline . He found a whole other pocket on his beat , just literally totally blistered the beat . He blacked out .
He blacked out on that track .
That's actually one of his it's hard to be righteous when life can just stop .
Yo , that shit's crazy Right . In my opinion that's one of his 10 to 15 best guest appearances .
Yeah , and this was becoming , before you know , stillmatic . This is the ramble .
Yeah , yeah . Well , this is what I'm saying about the album . First of all , Jada's Got a Gun is not a great way to start off the album .
Agreed , that's one of my questions , you're right .
I love that song , but you're right . You're right . The next agree that's one of my .
You're right , I love that song , but you're right , you're right . The next record . The next record is show discipline , where naz blisters you on the track .
I wish he would have put show discipline further back , because after I'm hearing the second track of you on your first solo album , it's like , well , you can't fuck with , like today's version of naz and that's not ill , madik , it was written version of naz , although it's an appropriate approximation for how time works .
It's like , not that guy , but real fucking close to that guy . And it's like , well , that guy just blistered you on your debut album . You know what I'm saying On your debut album Like on track three Like this is the second time I'm hearing you and I'm watching Nas smoke you . Then you go in and knock yourself out .
So it's like , okay , that's not really his thing , but I like , knock Yourself Out . I think it's a dope-ass
¶ Jadakiss' Debut Album Assessment
record .
He was everywhere in the clubs at that time .
I think he did a great job with it . But I don't feel like you hear Jadakiss until track number five , which is we Gon' Make it , which has Styles P on it , and then after that it goes to None of Y'all Better , which is track six .
So part of my problem with Kiss the Game Goodbye is that I don't feel like I actually hear Jada Kiss till it gets to feel me how do you feel about Kiss the Spit ? it's cool , it's just , it's okay , like I don't think it's a bad record , but I don't think it's a great record . It's 3.5 as far as the records go , 3.5 what about it's Time I See you ?
Oh I love it's Time I See you . Oh , I love it's Time I See you . It's Time I See you is the shit .
And then X kind of stole the show on Uh-Huh . But X is going to steal the show wherever he goes .
That's what I mean . So it's your debut album and like Nas at this stage is like at the end of his tip top lyrical peak , correct ? That's fair . Well , you're not better than that guy . Like that guy roasting on record . You get on record with DMX , look , you get on record with DMX what happens , cause that's prime tip top DMX . And what happens .
You get on record with dmx what happens because that's crime tip top dmx . And what happened . You get what I'm saying . Yeah , so I think he kind of put himself in a box with how the album started , with the guest appearances being so stellar and it's just like well , how can I put you over x ?
Can I put you like in a conversation , nas , I feel like he redeemed himself a lot on the made you look remix .
Oh , 100% . That's one of his most memorable verses . But I'm with you . The stuff that you're kicking right now is why 2001 is my second favorite year in hip hop behind 1996 .
Because , as great yeah , 2001 is my second favorite year Cause we got we got the Jay-Z and Nas battle , we got the Jay and Nas battle right and we got the Kiss and Seagull battle going on at the same time .
But as great as Kiss the Game Goodbye is , and as great as the Reason is as a Beanie album , I love the reason and I think it doesn't get enough credit being a precursor to the sound on the blueprint . The Dynasty and the reason are warm-ups going into the blueprint sound that they finally mastered for Jay .
But you can hear remnants of that on Beanie's album .
Those records were for Beanie album . Well , there's room for those records before Beanie .
Right . So as great as the reason is , as great as Kiss the Game Goodbye is , there's a whole nother level to be tapped into . And that's how you get the blueprint , that's how you get stillmatic .
But this is all going down in the same year in the course of like a four or five month span because , know , I'm saying , the anniversary for kiss the game goodbye was this week . I want to say the reason came out and set no , that was uh , before kiss the game goodbye , I believe jay is in september and nas is in december , was still matic .
That fourth quarter run of those albums I mean I love 2001 .
That was that just came out in that time span . That just came out the same day as Jay .
Yeah , yeah . But to your point , coop , as good as this album is from Kiss and it was the effort , and he might should have ascended a little bit higher . Like they say , it's levels to it and we saw the levels and it was made very clear . But I don't like to take away from Jada and his debut .
It's close to a classic , not a classic , but I think that he put out a hell of a record with his debut and his hype was really out of here to be able to live up to that .
Here's what I'll tell you about the album . If we're talking about the Rough Riders run in the industry , we know it's not touching . It's Dark and Hell is Hot , so that's not conversational . No , yeah , it's not conversational . Is it the second best rap album to come out of the rough riders camp ? Outside of it's dark and hell is hot .
Where does it rank in the rough riders camp catalog this ?
might be a hot tape , but I like kiss the game goodbye . Better than a flesh of my flesh , blood of my blood . So it might be .
I think the songs are better , I just think that plays better and I think X is better at that time . Just overall , I don't know . I think it's close . I think it's close , though , ag .
That's why I'm asking , because I would tell you that it's like well , after it's Dark and Hell is Hot , I would immediately go to Flesh and my Flesh or Kiss the Game Goodbye . Or Gangster and the Gentleman .
Or we Are the Streets . It's a grouping of a few albums at that second spot .
Here's the thing I don't think we Are . The Streets is better than Gangster and the Gentlemen , or Kiss the Game Goodbye .
I agree with that , but it's not far and away better .
No , no no , how about this ? If I'm working in order , I think Flesh of my Flesh and Kiss the Game Goodbye are comparable .
I think that A Gangsta and a Gentleman would be next , and I feel like that the Lox album , like we Are the Streets , is like kind of comparable to A Gangsta and a Gentleman , like it has more high moments , but it's not as consistent but I think people downplay it so much and it's nothing to sneeze at Like if I'm saying it like .
Jadakiss might not have a solo chip , but in my eyes he sure as hell made an NBA Finals run . You know what I'm saying With that album .
You know he , you know his placement is so funny because it's like he came along like , like he came along when what he did was so highly regarded that the expectation was that he replaced saying we're probably having and the same thing with pock , we're probably having a naz jay-z tupac biggie conversation for the rest of our lives , and he doesn't equate to that .
But that's not fair to him . But that's who he came into the game on the heels of , so it's like my book .
He does , because I have him fifth behind those four guys on my personal list right , right , but he's coming off the heels of those guys and so , like , what I can really say about him is I don't know if anybody came in the game on the heels of something like that but we've heard him rap with big .
We've heard him rap with nas . We've heard him rap with jay . We've heard him rap with pun . We've heard him rap with Jay . We've heard him rap with Pun .
We've heard him rap with Eminem . Anybody yeah .
He can rap with anybody . It's not even a question of that . Biggie wanted to do more songs with him , prime .
Biggie Life .
After Death Biggie that's rapping better than anybody who's ever lived practically . He wants to do songs with him . The skill level and the talent is there , but he doesn't . You know , not to be funny , he doesn't have a reasonable doubt . He doesn't have blueprint , he doesn't have a ready to die .
Life after death , the illmatic it was written it's dark and hell is hot . A paid in full . Like he doesn't have these albums and like those are the people lyrically that he is considered to be comparable to and when you hear him on the mic it is a legit thought to say that it .
But it has to translate to the album and he doesn't have one of those similar albums where you go .
That's that nigga but to put to you and uh , coop and sean both , where do you think kiss the game falls in the next tier of the legends , like Nas Say , for instance Kiss the Game Goodbye compared to A God's Son , or Kiss the Game Goodbye compared to Volume 1 for Jay . Where does that fall in line there ?
It's not better than Volume 1 . It's not better than Volume 1 . It's 97 Ho . That's what I'm saying .
It's not better than A God'm saying . It's not better than God's song , it's better than 97 Hov .
I agree with y'all , but I think it's close .
No , no , it's not close . Imaginary Player in Streets is watching her back-to-back . That's better than everything on Kiss the Game , goodbye .
I mean those two songs in particular . Yes , but I'm talking about the full album .
Where I'm from is better than everything on Kiss the Note . Jay has songs on Volume 1 that are better .
Where I'm from is my favorite Jay record , so I'm not arguing there . There we go , a million and one Kiss the Note the remix . Man Don't do that .
Don't do that . You must love me . That's what I mean . Think about it . 97 Hov caught a bad one Like it's . Like what is this ? This isn't reasonable doubt .
I agree with that . But does Kiss ? And then we can move on , because we've been on this for a while . But do you think Kiss suffers from the same thing we talked about with Big Sean ? Because you get who Kiss is on the Feel Me record . So did Kiss suffer from some of that same stuff where he's spitting like with the best of them ?
But we didn't get enough of him personally on the record ? I don't think so .
Like how about this ? He might be a better cool g-rap analogy than even the big sean analogy . This is gonna happen in every generation , like he's . Like . He's definitely in a lot of ways like cool g-rap for his generation , like in a lot of ways I'm not mad at that I'm not mad at that , like , like , in all the ways I think he's actually even .
But here's the thing about it he's actually more notarized than g-rap . That's why I don't make the g-rap comparison , because on most people list they actually have kiss ahead of g-rap .
Yeah a kiss is likableable . He has a identity .
No , he's funny . The only laughter during the tiny desk is when he makes a little joke like he's a very insightful and funny guy . He's not rah-rah Biggie funny , but he is insightful . He'll make the room laugh .
He's sure and true , even at the battle with Dipset . Kiss was Kiss said , kiss was KISS .
That was one of the happiest moments for me as a hip-hop fan because I think that opened a lot of eyes and got more people paying attention , because I've always had KISS at my fifth or sixth spot , hovering around that and people would look at me crazy , but I think when the verses happened , I think a lot of people was like yo .
KISS is different . How about this ? Yeah , I don't like when rappers take certain beats that certain rappers have rapped over and made songs out of . Who Shot you by Biggie is one of those records that I feel that way about . It's like I really don't want to hear nobody but Big on there . If you really want to know the truth , I'm not mad at that .
I don't want to hear nobody but big over that beat . That beat's made for big . That beat was made for big . Of all the beats that you rap to , all that other side shit and that bullshit and whatever in the back and forth beat-wise . As far as making a beat for a certain rapper , it doesn't get much better than big on who Shot you .
So I don't want to hear nobody really rapping over that beat .
No , I ain't mad at that , I ain't mad at that .
But when I mean Kiss killed shit you know what I'm saying Like when I mean he killed it to the point where it's like , no , I don't mind at all and I'll play that shit over and over and over again .
As a matter of fact , and he's probably the only rapper that's rapped over a track that I feel that way about the beat , sitting the rapper and been okay with it .
Man , that moment is about , like as far as special moments in modern day rap times , if I was picking a moment that might be my moment because , like , it's everything that came with it , because you could tell he was there . No , he's like where are we at ?
like like the shit that he's talking before and going in you know , and then you actually start listening to the bars and then you're hearing like how he's just like he's going for it .
It's like he recognized the moment absolutely yeah he's like no he was there he was there in the moment as much as any rapper has been there in a moment that we've seen live for tv . You get what I'm saying . Like we usually don't see rappers in their element , in their moment , live .
Like we got to watch him live in his element and in his moment and he like grabbed it the way very few mcs ever had he knew that .
¶ Lox and Dblock Discuss Music Legends
When are you going to have the opportunity to be front and center at the Garden with the world watching ?
because we were on lockdown with COVID and the most beautiful thing about it . And this is how teamwork make the dream work . Sheik and Styles was the main niggas agging him on that night . They was agging him on Like come on , show them who the fuck you is , nigga . Let's go like be our front man tonight . Like they cool with him being the front man .
There ain't no animosity , there ain't no bullshit behind it . It's like no , this is our front man . Go be our front man tonight in the garden know who you are .
Shout out to Kip man legend top 5 dead or alive , and that's just off . 1l peak .
That was a lie , though , but he's up there , shout out to Kiss man Legend .
Top five dead or alive and that's just off . One LP , that was a lie though , but he's up there .
He's up there . He's in the top 20 . We're going to get out of here Lox Dblock , like you know . Lox of Outcast Mad Max . Mad Max , not a super chat . Mad Max , not a super chat . Mad Max , not a super chat . Hold on , hold on , hold on .
Mad Max . Mad Max , you need to watch your tongue . Don't be putting up late talking this bullshit .
I agree with you , Mad Max .
Okay , you can agree all you want to Some of the playlists . The ATL ends and the Clementine stack on you and say different . Think that all you want .
Mad Max , I'm with you , Mad Max . Mad Max , at the Super Chat we look at 50 run like X run . No one gets to God Rakim level Run a 7-hole for 98-03 and chill on Kiss . He and Prodigy are New York Crown Princes . They're just beloved and can do no wrong . I don't disagree there . Mad Max at the Super Chat .
I prefer Prodigy over Kiss but objectively might have Kiss ranked higher at this point . Had Prodigy been here , I don't think it would be that way .
Then there was X over anything except Dark . That's a good take , great take . But , fellas , it's our time . It's a two-hour show . We're going to get people the gift of time back , so we appreciate y'all . Like subscribe . Like subscribe . Share .
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Let's do it . I might be able to pull up . We'll see . Let me talk about it .
Tell a friend We'll see . Yeah , we'll talk about it .
Tell a friend .
We're going to circle the block on y'all .
We got to talk about these 100 gigabytes so I can get my OVO jacket . Yeah , get my jacket .
And we ran short on time . But shout out to the other anniversary joins KD2 . You know what I'm saying Because of King's disease . And then the Fix Five Mike .
Scarface is one of the goats Recognize . I think it's Scarface's second best album Behind the Diary . Yep Kings of Z's 2 , in my opinion , is probably the fourth best album in the 6th series run .
Has the best song from the run on that album .
Yeah Storm .
Run's the best song , storm .
Run's the best song . Vinny's the best song , storm Run's the best song Vinny's about to drop . I think it's tonight , right , I believe so . The video's already dropped while we were live .
And maybe Drake , not out of the realm of possibility . You never know .
I'm going to keep on saying this until it happens , yeah .
No , no , no .
Message to Jermaine Cole You're not done this year .
¶ Biking, Helmet, and Hip Hop Chat
Mighty quiet right now , biking around town with that helmet on . You're trying to have an electrical bike with a helmet on . I wasn't talking to you .
You should bring context to it my bad . First of all , more of us , as Blacks , need to be riding bikes .
Shout out to the bike riders Yo , riding a bike with a helmet on is crazy . I ain't going front . Riding a bike with a helmet on is nasty . I'm trying to bring back Rough Riders .
Yeah , jack said LL's dropping tonight . I thought the L was September .
Maybe it's a single . It's a single . Yo y'all heard it here first Care Package 2 coming soon . Stamp it . You heard it from AG . Don't let nobody steal that it's too late .
It's already out there .
We'll run up on them . I know what it's like to have these niggas take your shit Word .
We saw LG in the chat earlier . He already got that . Who LG ? Oh , he'll be out , thanks y'all .