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Brunch On Sundays- Album Reviews- Rakim- Mustard- Premo

Jul 30, 20242 hr 40 min
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Can a morning workout really transform your day? Find out as we share personal stories about the mental clarity and positive energy we gain from an early exercise routine. We’ll then shift gears and discuss our plans for the day, from spending precious moments with family to staying connected through church services. Sports enthusiasts, brace yourselves for an exhilarating chat about potential matchups like Nadal vs. Djokovic and the USA basketball team's face-off with Serbia, with a special nod to the scoring legends like Kevin Durant, LeBron James, and the iconic greats like Kareem and Wilt.

We dive deep into the riveting careers of Hakeem Olajuwon and Shaquille O'Neal, comparing their prime years, unique skills, and the significance of their supporting casts during those legendary championship runs. We also reflect on the poignant legacies of hip-hop legends like DJ Polo, Kool G Rap, Fife, MF Doom, and Prodigy. Amidst the tributes, we shine a light on the health issues plaguing the hip-hop community and advocate for a healthier lifestyle to ensure longevity for our beloved artists.

Celebrate the multifaceted legacy of Will Smith with us as we discuss his return to music and his undeniable impact on Black culture and hip-hop. We spark debates about his ranking among top rappers, compare Rakim’s legacy to Nas’s recent works, and critique the latest albums from DJ Mustard and Wu-Tang Clan. Ending on a nostalgic note, AG recounts his memorable, albeit reluctant, experience in Blacksburg, Virginia. Tune in for a dynamic mix of sports, music, and thought-provoking cultural insights!

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Sports Talk

Speaker 1

Cool .

Speaker 2

What up ?

Speaker 1

What up , homie ?

Speaker 2

I'm good , fam . How are you ?

Speaker 1

I'm good , bro , I'm good , indeed , indeed . Same to you , bro . Same to you . Busy morning so far . How you feeling ? How you feeling on this beautiful Sunday ?

Speaker 2

I'm like you . Both of us already got a workout in today . Indeed , it helps . Those are the best feelings , man .

Speaker 1

I start my day off with a good workout . Get myself together , get my thoughts right that's what I normally brainstorm . I brainstorm in the gym . When I'm in the gym working out , listening to music , I'm just vibing out . Man , just getting my thoughts together and just getting the oxygen to the brain feels good .

Speaker 2

My brain is always storming , but I feel like when I do work out it gives me a zone and a level of clarity that very few spaces offer .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that's true . That is very true . I'm with you on that , very true . What's on your agenda for the remainder of the day , man ? You gonna relax a little bit today , or you gonna just just vibe out today , spend time with your daughter ? What you looking like , man ?

Speaker 2

my daughter's actually out of town right now . You know she's a traveler like her dad , so she's already , she's actually on the road , so she'll actually be back tomorrow evening . So you know I'm just here , I'm with whatever . You know I'm saying I got some good rest today . I live stream my church .

You know I'm saying I came down here got ready for the show we're live . You know been keeping up with the Nadal match because if Nadal wins his match , him and Djokovic play next .

Speaker 1

Yes , yes , that's the one you want to see , though , right , you want to see the Nadal and Djokovic , yeah . Yeah . Are you looking forward to any other parts of the Olympics ? Are you on it ? Are you excited ?

Speaker 2

The USA is playing Serbia today . I am excited to see how . You know , an Embiid-Jokic matchup is always good TV for me . You know what I'm saying . So it's like I want to see that . I do want to see what this USA team looks like with Durant , because in Durant and LeBron you have two easy ways to get buckets .

If you need buckets at the end of the game , it's like you can just let LeBron drive the ball and take it to the rack or create , or you can just give Kevin Durant the ball anywhere from 12 to 20 feet , like when you need buckets , like automatic buckets , like no , no , no . I need an easy two points right now . You know what I'm saying ?

Right , because I feel like they're still the only two players like that on the team that really know how to do that . I think Ant is trending that way . Steph is really really streaky in clutch situations , which means he's either hitting or he's not . You know what I'm saying .

I'm interested to see how the addition of KD to this team , because for me , their starting lineup should be Steph , ant , le . I like the addition of KD to this team because for me , their starting lineup should be Steph and LeBron KD and me . That should be their starting lineup .

Yeah , yeah , that's a little ball , so hard university for the world to deal with . You know what I'm saying .

Speaker 1

Right , right .

Speaker 2

Right , all those guys can go get you 50 .

Speaker 1

Easily , easily , easily . And I was just worried about KD's health because this is the first time he's playing since last year I think what the back half of last year season , two months ago , three months ago when they got eliminated . So he hasn't played a ball since then and he was sitting out for this .

Speaker 2

He's a gym rep , though . Oh yeah , Absolutely .

Speaker 1

Absolutely . I was just more concerned about him getting acclimated and being conditioned to play in his games . But what it looks like he's smoking him right now . He's on fire right now . He's a baller . He's a baller . It doesn't take much for a baller to get re-acclimated , especially someone like him .

But if I'm his coaches , I'm cringing every time he gets a rebound , when he runs , because I can't afford to have another injury with KD at this point .

Speaker 2

You know who gets an easier bucket than Kevin Durant . That's not like a prime Kareem or Wilt Chamberlain , though you know what I'm saying . Like an easier bucket . Think about it . He's shooting much further away than Wilt and Kareem are . Right , right , like Michael Jordan's fadeaway is not an easy bucket . People do understand that .

Right , that's not an easy shot to turn your whole body and then fade with symmetry away from the basket . You know what I'm saying . Like that's not an easy shot . Like KD shot Easy bucket . It's Wilt and Kareem . Like how easy the bucket is . It's like no , no , no Chances are .

If he gets the ball within this range , more often than not he's going to hit the shot , kind of like Kareem with the skyhooker . Just Wilt , like you know , period , right .

Speaker 1

He's a wingspan . He's a 7'4" , 7'5" wingspan . He has an arc . He has a true arc on his shot .

Speaker 2

You're not going to block that . You're not going to block that . When he's next to Embiid , I'm like Embiid's not that much taller than you , he's not , and Embiid's massive , yeah yeah .

Speaker 1

Yeah , embiid's massive . Embiid's very slow man , I don't like his game . I don't like Embiid's game . He's very slow , like just .

Speaker 2

He's the closest thing post-move-wise at the center position I've seen since Olajuwon , in terms of his capability at all . Yeah , embiid .

Speaker 1

No , he's not as nimble as Olajuwon . Olajuwon , no , no , nobody holdble .

Speaker 2

Hold on . I think nobody's as nimble as Olajuwon in the post . I'm saying I didn't say that he was a king reincarnated . I'm saying in terms of some of the post moves he has the ability to pull off . Fundamentally he looks clunky though .

Speaker 1

I give him Olajuwon Mourning To me . He's closer to him . Alonzo Mourning To me . He's closer to .

Speaker 2

Alonzo Mourning . No , I love Zoe , but I mean , maybe he's better than Zoe Sean .

Speaker 1

He's better , but he's . I'm talking about mechanic-wise , mechanic-wise he just looks clumsy . He just looks flimsy and clumsy . He can't get it together . He's falling down for no reason , Throwing his arms out for no reason . He's just weird .

He just I don't want to compete like that , but he's just weird you falling down and getting back up and throwing his arms up in the air , falling down again . That's not a team .

Speaker 2

Hakeem mechanics are nowhere close to that . I said closest , I said closest to . In a team you have probably one of the five most skilled people with the ball in his hand , like period .

Speaker 1

Like just period In terms of his skill .

Speaker 2

Because here's the thing Like a team can shoot , defend , block a shot , get a steal , hit free throws , like as far as his skills go .

And then that's without talking about his fundamental post work , which is like , in my opinion , it's the most fundamental post work I've ever seen work which is like , in my opinion , it's the most fundamental post work I've ever seen , and that includes Tim Duncan , because he's more exciting than Tim Duncan .

He can do everything Tim can do fundamentally , but he's got some more glimmer to his game than Tim .

Speaker 1

Because Tim is more methodical in his approach . Tim is going to come down court , he's going to get to his spot and you're not going to stop him from getting to his spot .

Speaker 2

Akeem had to play in an era with Mike and Magic and Bird and Barkley , so there'll be no waiting to get your fucking points .

Speaker 1

No , not at all . Not at all .

Speaker 2

Seven shots up on you by five minutes into the first quarter . There ain't going to be no waiting . That's why Akeem's moves are so fluid . All of Akeem's moves are meant to get you somewhere quick .

Speaker 1

It's not like boom somewhere , like quick . It's not like boom boom , boom , boom , boom got you absolutely , absolutely , absolutely . But he stood out amongst , like the ewing's and the shacks and you know those of that of that era he was just the one . He was the one that had .

He was more of a hybrid before we knew what a hybrid was in a , in a postman because he wasn't backing you down with his power , he was just spinning around you , taking you off the dribble , faking you out . He didn't overpower you , he just finessed you .

Speaker 2

I think all time , because of Tim Duncan's accomplishments and how many rings he has , it's five to two . It's what ? Six finals appearances versus three finals appearances . Yeah , they both won . Tim has two MVPs to a King's one , even though I don't think that's fair to a king . A king probably could have got one of Carmel .

The year David Robinson won , a king probably felt like he should have won and he had valid reason to feel that way . And then he pulled very unpolitely , like undressed David Robinson in front of all of us in the playoffs , even though the Admiral had a good

Comparing Shaq and Hakeem's Careers

series . But the stuff Akeem was pulling off post-wise was just showing like , yeah , I'm the better player down here , the two of us . Yeah , so I would have Shaq and Duncan slightly ahead of Akeem . But if I were picking a team , I wouldn't take Shaq or Duncan of Akeem . But if I were picking a team , I wouldn't take Shaq or Duncan over Akeem .

Speaker 1

Oh , I wouldn't Prime . Shaq . See that's the thing .

Speaker 2

Here's the thing A prime Shaq . He's going to do more against Akeem , but he still can't fuck with Akeem in the post . You know what I'm saying ? He can't . Akeem's still going to do more against Hakeem , but he still can't , like , fuck with Hakeem in the post . Like you know what I'm saying .

Like he can't , hakeem's still going to get his buckets on a prime Shaq in the post .

Speaker 1

I'm still taking prime Shaq . I'm still taking prime Shaq .

Speaker 2

I mean see , but that's what I'm saying .

Speaker 1

If you're talking for like three , four years . It's like no , you're talking about Shaq for three or four years , I'm talking about a king for 12 . Okay , You're talking about building , Okay . Okay , I'm still teetering on Shaq . I'm still Shaq was on .

Speaker 2

No , no , no , no . No . Shaq's a problem . Shaq also got swept by a king too , though yes , he got , even Even though that was young Shaq . That's actually when Shaq developed . His postgame is after he got Correct . Yeah , he was getting by on his athleticism and his talent .

He realized that if I'm going to beat this guy , I'm going to have to get more skill .

Speaker 1

He had to because there was no more bully ball . You couldn't bully ball somebody with that skill . Not all game , not like that . I'm still taking prime Shaq , I'm still taking Shaq's career and I love Hakeem . I love Hakeem .

Speaker 2

Hakeem , low-key , individually , had the better career . If you want to look individually . If you're looking at individual accolades , yes , because he's got a defensive player of the year and an MVP and he's got a defensive player of the year and he's got an MVP , and he's got two finals MVPs and he's got two rings .

He's got a defensive player of the year and he's got an MVP and he's got two finals MVPs and he's got two rings . And he's been actually higher ranked in the MVP conversation longer than Shaq has .

Like you know , the years like , like , the team's been closer to winning more MVPs than Shaq has too , and he is the all time blocks leader and I believe his point per game average is higher than Shaq's all-time and their rebound average is comparable . You talking about Better free throw shooter .

Individually , shaq has four rings to Akeem's two and he's got three finals MVPs to Akeem's two . But if you look at the totality of it , especially if you include the defensive side of the ball , yes , akeem has had a better individual career than Shaq . Because Hakeem how about this ?

Hakeem is probably him and Michael Jordan are the only two players that are top 10 all-time offensive and defensive players . Maybe Kobe , maybe Kobe Kobe might crack that list . Like all-time on both sides . Shaq's not all-time on both sides . Shaq's not all time on both sides . Akeem , if you wanted to pick a defensive center , akeem would be your pick .

If you wanted to pick an offensive center , akeem's a top five pick . He's the only center that can really say that , because Wilt's defense wasn't , like you know , russell . Akeem's offense is better than Russell's offense . His defense is better than Wilt's defense and Kareem's defense Cool . Offensively , he's comparable to Kareem and Shaq in his prime .

Yeah , he had a better individual career , he did .

Speaker 1

There's no such animal as Haka Keem . There is one of Haka .

Speaker 2

Shaq , because Haka Keem can hit 75% of his free throws 75 to 80 .

Speaker 1

The only way you can stop him is to follow him and hope that he would miss these free throws that he was missing . Other than that , he was a dominant force on both ends of the court . Now , granted , I will give you this If Shaq had to go up against any centers that would pull him outside the paint and make him guard that perimeter .

He wouldn't be able to do that like Kakeem would . But young prime Shaq still had and make him guard that perimeter . He wouldn't be able to do that like Hakeem would . Young Prom Shack still had great feet movement .

Speaker 2

Okay , you're going to make me do it . This is what you wanted on Sunday . Okay , no , we're going to do it . Since you want to do it , who's the second best player on the Kings championship winning teams ?

Speaker 1

I got to give it to Clyde .

Speaker 2

Clyde was only on one . What about on the first one ? Clyde's on the second one ?

Speaker 1

Who was in that first lineup that they had ?

Speaker 2

it was otis thorpe , kenny smith um , vernon maxwell , mario ellie , robert ory it was spread out , pause it was .

Speaker 1

it was equally distributed between those guys because you can say their games of vernon had great games , kenny was very , very important .

Speaker 2

Sam Cassell's a rookie on that team .

Speaker 1

It's hard to say that man .

Speaker 2

That's what I'm trying to say . It's Hakeem , and then Correct , he still won a ring . Now let me submit something to you . Do you know how many rings Hakeem would have if he had a prime Kobe and a prime D-Wade ? Do you know how many rings Hakeem would have if he had a prime Kobe and a prime D-Wade ? Do you know how many rings Hakeem would have ?

Because it would be more than four . Yeah , give Hakeem a Kobe , like Shaq had Kobe . They're winning the ring every year . What do you want ? You want skill or you want dominance .

Speaker 1

Which one do you want ?

Speaker 2

As a coach . As a coach .

Speaker 1

Yes , you want skill or dominance .

Speaker 2

I want dominance because winning is hard . Shaq is dominant A king's dominant on defense , though , and offensively you can't stop him . Like offensively , nobody can stop him , and he can stop the other person defensively , or hold them to a lesser version of themselves . Nobody can hold him to a lesser version of him .

Speaker 1

Shaq can do the same . That's what I'm saying . No one was dominating Shaq on the defense . Give . Akeem .

Speaker 2

Kobe , if Akeem had , if Akeem had Kobe for five years , five rings , not three , not three , and seven Be five for five . He went to the finals with Ralph Sampson , didn't he ?

Speaker 1

Yeah , yeah , they had to play the 86 Celtics be 5 for 5 . He went to the finals with Ralph Samson , didn't he ? Yeah , they had to play the 86 Celtics . They were transcendent players too . Twin Towers .

Speaker 2

Six Hall of Famers . Six Hall of Famers on one team . There's only 12 fucking spots on the roster .

Speaker 1

I'm just saying .

Speaker 2

Teamer Hall of Famers .

Speaker 1

I'm just saying Ridiculous on the roster .

Speaker 2

I'm just saying At the Hall of Famers , I'm just saying Kool , I'm just saying Ridiculous . They literally had multiple MVP's , finals MVP winners at the same time .

Speaker 1

I get it , I get it , but what I'm saying is I get your point .

Speaker 2

Their second team could have been a starting lineup for probably about 10 or 11 of the NBA teams .

Speaker 1

Indeed , that was a dominant team . That was a dominant team . I get your point . Hakeem beat Magic , he did .

Speaker 2

Yeah , he beat Magic to get to those finals .

Speaker 1

You're saying that over the length of the career you'll take Hakeem Like 86-96 . 86-96 . You're taking that Hakeem over Shaq .

Speaker 2

The Shaq you're giving me is the Shaq you're talking about 1999 to 2000 . What 3? , 4 ?

Speaker 1

I will go back a little bit further than that I'll go back to Shaq and Penny as well .

Speaker 2

That Shaq was dominant . He was young .

Speaker 1

He just couldn't get it done .

Speaker 2

You don't want him with Hakeem .

Speaker 1

No , during that time , no Because Akeem was a legend by that time , akeem was already in his legend years by that time .

Speaker 2

Yeah , like Maestro , like Masterclass .

Speaker 1

Right . Who had the most dominance , though for that time span .

Speaker 2

No , no , no , Shaq , shaq , shaq . For how about this ? Like , if you go look at his finals numbers during the Lakers three-peat and even in the finals that they lost , like the one to Detroit , his numbers literally look insane . It's like literally averaging like 37 points and like 14 rebounds and three blocks . Yeah , it's not , it's it's . It's . It's nasty .

It's like he didn't really do that against people , did he ? It's like , yeah , he did . It's like when you go look at some of the stat lines , it's like 38 points , 19 rebounds , four blocks . It's like , did he do that in the ? Yeah , no , shaq played like that it mattered .

I'm not trying to take anything away from him , but I think if you're telling me that I got like this is what I'm saying . How about this ? If you were to give me a prime version of Kobe or D-Wade and a prime version of Shaq and a King , I still think I could beat you . Okay . I still feel like I can beat you when it matters .

My guy's going to hit free throws . My guy has a better go-to move . My guy's a better defender , that's fair . Yeah , it's like , even if you gave him a prime D-way versus Shaq and Kobe , it's like , oh no , they're going to give them some run . Kobe and Shaq ain't running away with them rings if that happens .

Speaker 1

That's fair .

Speaker 2

You got some comparable comp and then pressure going to bust pipes . That doesn't matter to Kobe . Kobe didn't have a conscience , kobe didn't care . No , no , I get it .

Speaker 1

Again , I'm a huge Hakeem fan . I think skill-wise he's the best skill center that I've seen in my life .

Speaker 2

He's the all-time shot block leader . He's not seven feet tall , Sean . He's not seven feet tall when he's the all-time blocks leader .

Speaker 1

He was what ? 6'10" , something like that .

Speaker 2

Maybe when he's standing next to LeBron . He was teaching LeBron some moves one offseason . I swore he might have been an inch taller than LeBron . Lebron's 6'9" , so yeah , about 6'10" , maybe 6'10 and a half . He's not 6'11" because KG's taller than Akeem that's what I'm saying . Like Durant , all those guys . They look down on Akeem a little bit .

Akeem like 6'10 Because he's not a king of defense .

Speaker 1

Shaq is a . He relies on this man .

Speaker 2

Akeem has a top five move all time he's got the dream shake . The dream shake's a top five move , it's actually top three . Skyhook , Jordan's fadeaway , Akeem's dream shake those are your three best go-to moves . He's the all-time blocks leader . He is the best defensive center that ever lived because he did what Bill Russell did .

He did it by himself and he did it in a different era where , like , there were guys like Michael Jordan and Klyce Drexler and Dominique Wilkins , like real , like Skywalkers , like guys that you , young Grand Hill , young Penny .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

And nobody really . Young Grand Hill , young Penny yeah , the only person who really ever even gave it to Akeem was Kevin Johnson .

Speaker 1

You don't really see pictures of Akeem getting dunked , though , and not even by other centers , really , he doesn't get slipped up on .

Speaker 2

Not at all , not at all , yeah , not at all .

Speaker 1

He doesn't get enough love . He doesn't get enough love . Like I told you before , he's one of my best centers . I've seen him play . I learn a lot of my post moves just by watching him play . First of all , you don't have post moves . I'm a monster . I'm actually going to play this afternoon , probably . I'm a monster . I'm a monster .

Speaker 2

Straight up . I'm so sick of these playground legends stories .

Speaker 1

Next show I'm bringing a magazine I'm going to show the magazine . I'm going to show you the magazine Next show . I'm going to show you the front cover of the magazine . I'm telling you , I'm a monster .

Speaker 2

Are you a player ? Hold on . Let me ask you something Are you a player or are you a baller ? Because , like I'm not going to front , when it came to basketball , I was always a player . I was never a baller Both you a baller Both .

Speaker 1

I'm both Because I can play in the system and out of the system . I've played in the semi-pro league about three years ago , four years ago , before COVID started .

Speaker 2

We don't have any evidence to confirm that you actually played .

Speaker 1

I'm going to show the evidence .

Speaker 2

I'm going to show you the evidence . We're going to need to see some roster photos , some game footage .

Speaker 1

Let me go to it . I'm going to send you the stuff in the chat . I promise you that's fine .

Speaker 2

Put it up for the people to see the choir in my eyes , would like to know .

Speaker 1

Yo man , I can't take this disrespect . I'm going to put the picture up .

Speaker 2

Oh no , I remember what you did to me last show .

Speaker 1

You got to move on . Man , I've moved on from that . You got to move on .

Speaker 3

I on from that . You got to move on . I'm petty , that's not what petty people do Petty people don't move on .

Speaker 2

You can't be petty and move on . That's an oxymoron . You have to pick .

Speaker 1

You got a point . I can dig it . I can dig it . I'm going to show the animal stuff and everything . I'm going to show that to all of y'all Animal stuff .

Speaker 2

I think he's skipping the model Skip . That's the one stuff . Skip to the next topic how about that ?

Speaker 1

let's get to the next topic , man . Rip to DJ Polo .

Remembering Hip Hop Legends

We got some news a couple days ago that DJ Polo passed away from the fame of Coogee Rap and DJ Polo . Dj Polo again another legend that we're losing at a fairly young age . I think DJ Polo was Again another legend that we're losing at a fairly young age .

I think DJ Polo was in his mid-50s , late 50s maybe , but they didn't disclose who he passed away from . But we did lose a legend and again shout out to his family God rest his soul . Hope that they can get through this challenging time in their lives with his passing . But yeah , man , we lost a legend , koo G Rap .

I think he posted something not too long ago just to share his condolences as well . But again , it's just . We lose legends almost every other month . It seemed like every time you turn around there's something else that happened and when the information comes out you realize it's not what you may think it would be .

It'll be something dealing with health issues and things of that nature . They've been battling for years and just never got taken care of in the rap community . So what are your thoughts on that man ? Because we're starting to see this more frequently , unfortunately .

Speaker 2

I've kind of been saying this for a few years now on the podcast circuit about how I do not like , how I see the hip hop figures that we grew up on , who are about 10 to 20 years older than us , the way that they have been dropping down . It speaks to , you know , it speaks to the wear and tear of this business on a multitude of levels .

You know what I'm saying , like , I'm just going to call it what it is . It's like there's a lot of drugs involved , sean . There's a lot of alcohol involved . There's a lot of women involved . There's a lot of bad eating and bad eating habits involved .

You know there's a lot going on , you know , and I think it's reflecting in the way that we're losing our hip hop elder statesman .

Quite frankly , I think there's a direct correlation between the two , because there appears to be something going on with what's happening and the things that are being done within the hip hop community where we're literally seeing our legends not make it to 60 . Right , right , right , like that's a legitimate thing . You know what I'm saying .

Like we were talking behind the scenes . I brought up how well . You know Fife . You know what I'm saying . Yeah , like um . You know MF Dune , yeah , yeah , yeah , health . And so it's just another mark to me , cause you know what I'm saying . It's just like when I look at that age bracket I'm like , well , you know the food that they were raised on .

You know what I'm saying the environments they grew up in , habits that they have , the pressures of the rap industry , the gravitas and the pitfalls that come with the rap industry , the gravitas and the pitfalls that come with the music business , access to nefarious resources that you get , those things come to my mind In terms of his passing , just in terms of how

I look at it from a larger scope , on a personal scope , probably somebody who is underrated in this hip-hop culture , because when we talk about um the producer , uh , slash dj mc combo , because your dj is essentially where your producers you know .

So it's like when you're talking about that , uh , that combo , well , he doesn't really get the reverence that eric b does , does he ? Or scott larocque , you know , I'm thinking about it . Scott larocque only did one album , really , with cake with chris , you know , I'm saying , and he gets more reverence than um , than polo did while he was here .

Rest in peace . Uh , for them , you know I'm saying because now they're both not here .

So that's kind of like the closing of an of an era where it's like , well , no , we're seeing a lot of these , a lot of these groups that we grew up on when we first got acclaimed with hip hop in the late 80s and early 90s , starting to see members from the groups pass away . You know , they lost down a member . Tribe is down , a member , you know .

Scott LaRock's been gone , bj Polo's gone , eazy-e's gone . You know what I'm saying . It's a lot of people I'm bringing up . I'm thinking , yeah , prodigy , but think about it . With all these guys it really came back to health . You know what I'm saying . Yeah . Even with Eazy-E prodigy , came back to health .

It's like , yeah , like P had sickle cell , was P probably still smoking and drinking ? Well , yeah , well , you really can't do that when you have sickle cell . Now can you Right ? X , yeah , closes up and restricts your blood flow and your blood patterns . It puts you in the shock . You'll go .

Speaker 1

You know what I'm saying absolutely absolutely , absolutely .

Speaker 2

So you know , the health . The health is the thing , man , it really , really is . And it has me worried because it's damn near like . It's like who we're gonna lose next , like on some health , on some health type shit . You know what I'm saying ? I came from . When I seen it , it was like it was like . It was like nah .

I was like I'm working out , I'm getting on this jump rope , I'm getting this floor mat , I'm about to do these ab exercises , I'm about to do these weights . You know what I mean Back and forth with the jump rope to get my cardio . Yeah , it's like nah . You see stuff like that in lifestyle .

Speaker 1

You do because you got to keep a regimen For me and we joke around about it , but I do still play ball . I play ball when I can . I try to play once or twice a week when I'm home . I travel a lot , so normally when I travel I typically would travel out on .

I fly out on a Tuesday , come back on a Thursday or Friday , but Monday I'm up there playing ball full court from like six to nine . Um , hard body , you know . I mean just trying to get the lungs to continue to move right , right , continue to get the oxygen flowing , and I lift weights in between that time .

You know , mornings I go lift weights just to keep everything going . You know , because again we're at that age , you know we're not mid 40s now and it's you gotta , gotta maintain , gotta maintain . Whoa , whoa .

Speaker 2

I'm not in my mid-40s until later this year . I'm still in my early 40s .

Speaker 1

Embrace it , man . Embrace it , I'm 44 . Embrace it , I'm 44 . I look 20-something , 30-something .

Speaker 2

I mean to be honest with you . If I were to actually black this out , like all the other famous rappers that are closer to our age , bracket , do you know ? I'm getting damn well . They got gray hair . All these dudes is lying to y'all . If I actually were to black it out like I mean , people think I'm in my 30s now still and that's with all this .

If I were to take this out , I can go back if I want gray hair .

Speaker 1

Like I can't get it . I mean , god bless , I don't get gray hair , even even my regular hair , I got a full set of hair . You know what I mean . Just eat right , man . Eat right , drink , sleep all those good things , man . Try to stay healthy man as much as possible . You know genes come along with that as well . Shout out to my mom and pop .

You know what I mean . But still you still got to add you know for me , because I travel so much , you know doing so many years in the Marines . I did 20 years in the Corps . You know what I mean . So I had to learn how to preserve my body . You know what I mean . They threw out the years of just grinding man .

Speaker 2

Marines are different than the rest of all the other branches . Y'all are wired different , kind of like football players are wired different than the other American athletes . Y'all are wired different than the rest of the military , Absolutely Y'all regiment .

I've noticed more than anything that Marines , who no longer are like active in the Corps , like the way that y'all's lives are regimented still yeah , you know what I'm saying Like all the Marines I know are that way , Like all of y'all , All of y'all got some sort of regiment and it's usually health and fitness related .

Speaker 1

Absolutely Can't turn it off .

Speaker 2

Y'all be wild . You know you be sitting with your friends and be like , so you know I know how to kill you , really kill you , though , right ? Every Marine that I've ever hung around reminds me of that . Male and female , you know I can kill you . It that I've ever hung around reminds me of that male and female , I feel like I could kill you , right .

It's like I'm aware I know who you are , like nobody's saying it , right ?

Speaker 1

right , right , yeah , but it taught us . And going back to your point , because you always talk about health and even mental health , coop , you talk about it a lot and in our communities , man , we don't really address it enough , especially for me I was in the corps for those 20 years we never really addressed mental health . We always said mind over matter .

If you don't mind , it don't matter . We pretty much tried to be invincible when it came to that . The older I get and the more removed I get from my lineage of the corps , I realize how your mental and your physical work hand in hand . That's why I go to the gym so much .

Speaker 2

It does Not to play hip-hop psychologist with you too much because Marines are taught to compartmentalize so well . Relationally speaking , you all are very problematic because of your ability to compartmentalize . You're all very problematic .

Your spouses , boyfriends , girlfriends , y'all are problematic to them because of the manner in which you think , in which you move , absolutely Because your wife will probably tell you something and you'll probably be three steps into it and she'll be like motherfucker . I'm still talking about it , like why don't you just do three steps ?

The Impact of Hip-Hop Lifestyle

Speaker 1

We already moved it Right . It's time to go . It's time to execute . Yeah , right , right . That's how you write . You write I didn't think about it , but you write . That's everything that I do .

Speaker 2

It's the conditioning . It's the conditioning . Yeah , yeah , you can't sit still . That's the thing . In hip-hop , a lot of the conditioning is built on things that actually tear the body apart . It's like what the studio looks like . Bring a couple bottles of liquor , somebody , bring a couple ounces of weed . We're in the studio . So what are we doing ?

We're ordering takeout food . What , what's ? What's the food ? Probably fried , oily , greasy . What time are we eating it ? Are we eating it before 6 , 30 , 7 , 38 , 30 ? Are we eating it at one , two o'clock in the morning ? How many years are we doing that ? You know what I'm saying ? Absolutely , absolutely .

How much water are we drinking while we're going through that process ? Is the water that we drinking while we're going through that process ? Is the water that we're drinking even good ? Then you know what I'm saying . They'll feed us lead . Literally , ask flint facts , facts . They'll feed us lead , yeah , so yeah , all those things .

And I'm in a constant place of , like working on myself with it , like I put myself on certain restrictions because I've seen how , like my , my health and my body has changed in just in the last two , three years . You know what I'm saying . It's like I realized . It's like , oh no , I can't do that anymore . You know what I'm saying .

No , no , it's like literally that I had me throwing up in my sleep . I might choke and die one night . It's like I can't eat late , you know everything changes . Yeah , it's like oh , no , no , no , I can't eat that . Like I'm not going to be any good . It's like , no , I can't drink that much .

I'm not going to be able to function the next day , thanks , when you're conditioned to live a certain type of way .

So let's say you've been , you know , running in and out of clubs performing and on tour buses and making beats and ordering this type of food and around these types of women , you know , I mean because there's emotional wear and tear too , you know , and it's , it's . That's what I'm saying , sean .

Like it's a lot , like it's a hard business , you know what I'm saying . Like you can see all the glitz and glamours and like I know these niggas love to talk about how they floss , but it's a taxing ass business if anybody is paying , taxing business yes yes , because you will like . We have think about this .

We have a genre where we have a wall of legends that have already passed . That's equivalent to every other genres of music , everybody's other genre of music that have lost legends , but we've been around the least . Yes , find that a little problematic .

Speaker 1

Absolutely , absolutely . It's like classical conditioning . They're conditioned to do this based on what's in front of them Because you rap about it . You live it right . You live what you rap . You rap what you live .

So you're talking about , you know you're being a glutton to , to alcohol , abuse or whatever , and you know , and smoking , taking all of these things and women , you're going to start living that out because you're rapping what you're living , rapping with me , living what you're rapping in order that intake without anything .

You know , pulling it out if you will because , like for me , I drink water right . So I know when I travel I don't get a chance to eat like the right things I want to . You know the right things , like the right balance , the vegetables , all of those things .

So I would , when I get back home I always detox for like two or three days drink like I've been going through gallons of water like crazy , just to crazy , just to flush out what I intake throughout the week when I travel , because I don't get a chance to get to the right supplements and things of that nature .

These rappers , when they're talking about drinking alcohol or smoking , weed and being with women , they're not pulling nothing out of it . You know what I mean . They're not like going to purify themselves . If you will , they're not detox nothing out of it . You know I mean they're not like going to purify themselves if you will .

Speaker 2

They're not detoxing from it , right ? That's what I mean it's like . So how many times in a week are these guys getting seven ? Hours of sleep right , right you know what I'm saying .

How many times do they have a day where somebody in their circle or in their crew , or a female who is in their life , whether it be the mother of your children , ex-wife , current wife , girlfriend , side chick , whatever what are the chances ? How many days go by without them asking you for some money ?

Exactly how many homies got homies that's trying to get put on ? Yes , what spots that actually serve healthy food are open late when you're in the studio late trying to make a classic rap album ?

Speaker 1

Absolutely none .

Speaker 2

Like one of Dead or Alive . Yeah , like what's open . No , no , no , you're getting chicken wings and fried rice , right , right .

Speaker 1

Right , that's all that's available . You have to get what's available .

Speaker 2

Yeah . So think about it like this . It's like okay , got a gallon of Hennessy , ounce of weed , chicken wings and fried rice . That's your diet . You do this from the time that you're 17 to you're about our age right now 42 , 43 . Even if you stop right now , damage has been done . Yeah .

Speaker 1

You're too far removed . You can't even detox enough to get it out your system .

Speaker 2

Take a break . How about this ? How often do these rappers and I'm not joking when I say this how often do they just fast , stop eating at 9 o'clock at night and then don't have anything to like three o'clock the next afternoon . Right , and just drink water in between , and sometimes don't even drink water .

Because you know your body , your body I mean you know this because you're a marine your body actually , when you dry fast , chews off the fat Because your body actually naturally produces water . Even though you feel dehydrated , your body will supply you with enough water that you need for at least three days to survive Bare minimum .

You cannot drink water for three days and still survive on the water that your body produces . You would actually lose weight because it would chew the fat off of your body to help reduce the water . Indeed , indeed , indeed . You get what I'm saying . But how many people in this business know that ?

Speaker 1

And how many know but just don't want to execute it .

Speaker 2

Oh , it's hard . It's hard . I've done like two dry fasts . It's hard . I've done like two dry fasts . You know what I mean , and I'm only saying it after the fact . I fast for religious purposes , right , yeah , but it's like a couple of the fasts that I've been on , I've been like I'm not ready for that dry fast long term , yet it's different .

Speaker 1

And you in Atlanta , you have options everywhere . My jaw fried , catfish fried chicken . You in .

Speaker 2

Atlanta . You have options everywhere . My job Fried catfish , fried chicken , chicken wings yeah , yeah , it's right there . I work for a black business . It's blackity , black , black , black , yeah , but it's black business as it's blackity , black , black , black , yeah , black business as in what black people eat . You want what you eat , yeah .

More often than not , it's like I get the blackened catfish or I get the chicken wrap . You know what I'm saying .

Speaker 1

You got to be disciplined .

Speaker 2

I'm telling you all this every month give me the chef salad instead of the macaroni and cheese . It's tough , it's banging , it's so good when the cheese be stretching out over the spoon and they be throwing it on the plate . I'll be like glory hallelujah .

Speaker 1

Be like chef salad , please it's tough , trust me , it's tough . It's tough , trust me , it's tough , bro , it's tough . The message of today is hip-hop talks and health . Take care of yourself . Drink water , go get checkups . Go check on yourself , check on your health .

Check on those who may not even have the ability to do it themselves , those who are just stubborn to go to the doctor . I was one of those stubborn guys . I'm like yo , I'm strong as an ox . I don't need to get checked out . Until I went and got checked out , he was like yo , you need to work on this , this and this .

And I'm like look at me , I'm good . No , you're not . You got to get better .

Speaker 2

I got diagnosed pre-diabetic at 37 . And so I started , you know , and I'm actually like in better shape now in terms of my health , Physically . The guy that was 37 physically looked better .

Speaker 1

Right .

Speaker 2

But this guy at 42 , actually five years later is healthier Right , Not in the danger zone of those things anymore . Actually , you know what I'm saying , and if you would have looked at me five years ago , it's like no , I look like young and fit . You know what I'm saying . Take my shirt off , twist around my head , swing it like a helicopter , like PE Pablo .

You know what I'm saying . All that . But this version of me that I'm creating and molding right now is the best version of me , health-wise .

Speaker 1

That says a lot , because you're five years removed from that .

Speaker 2

Yeah , but sometimes it takes stuff like that to make you realize it's like oh no , I just look this way physically , I'm not physically okay , I'm not physically okay , I'm physically okay , absolutely , and that's what I told my doctor . Not enough , yeah , not enough . Looking physically okay is not enough .

Yeah , and that's what happens in business too , because the entertainment business is still like , in a lot of ways it's like a pretty people business , like it attracts all the pretty people yeah , but you know what I'm saying ? But it also makes you pretty to people , indeed .

Speaker 1

Indeed . That's a strong statement , Kool Indeed .

Speaker 2

It's a lot . We need to talk about the confluence of all the circumstances that are making these things happen . Yeah we have to .

Speaker 1

We have to Because that's something that a lot of our community don't talk . We don't discuss it enough . We don't discuss it enough . It's almost like it's taboo .

Nutrition, Health, and Hip-Hop Legends

Because we love our fried chicken , right ? We love our fried fish . We love all those things . We like to have the mac and cheese with the sweet potatoes and another starch on the plate . We love all those things . We love all those things .

Speaker 2

But look here I just ate my protein for dinner last night because I had bread and had a starch earlier in the day and so there was like no side with dinner .

The side was like the protein was just the dinner , because it's like , oh no , I've already put enough of that on my body for the day , based on what my body has been telling me for the past you can , you can right , you can feel it .

Speaker 1

Yeah , yeah , pause , you can feel . That's how I can feel when I'm not like eating right or whatever yeah , my body alerts me . Like yo , you need to relax . Like I'll be getting headaches .

Speaker 2

Like yo , I'm not feeling right , yeah , but we don't pay attention to those things . We just think , oh , I had a rough night , I didn't get enough sleep . No , motherfucker , you're not OK . You ate chicken wings for three straight days . You're 47 .

Speaker 1

Yo , I was blaming it on jet lag . I told my doctor . I said , yo , I was last five weeks in a row I got jet lag . She said , nah , your cholesterol is off . She said what you been eating . She said where you been . I said I've been in New Orleans for the last three weeks . There you have it , she's like no baby .

Speaker 2

Yeah , there you have it .

Speaker 1

There you have it . Shout out to New Orleans . The food is outstanding .

Speaker 2

I ain't gonna lie together , I'll be running at the Walmart and CVS just to check my blood pressure sometime and make sure I'm all right .

Speaker 1

Absolutely Drinking juice . I'm doing it all Drinking beet juice . You know what I mean . I'm just trying to stay right .

Speaker 2

I came here to have a good time for a long time . Yes , not just to have a good time . See rap hip-hop it's a good time . See rap hip hop a good time . Yeah , but if people are paying attention , not for a long time .

Speaker 1

No doubt , no doubt , and we need to change that part .

Speaker 2

Like no , I came here for a good time and a long time .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I got to tell you your daughter was starting her basketball career . I need to be here .

Speaker 2

We got work to do . I sent my daughter's top seven college uh choices and , uh , you know you got to fill out the information thing . I know how my daughter is , so it's like I know she's picked the schools but it's not gonna like do the information part of it because everything is digital now , but it's like no , I sent off for physical copies .

Today it's like no , like I'm in a place where it's like , oh no , like your , your emotional and your mental health is built on a lot of things . Some of it is parents too . You know , some of these dudes are stressed because they're doing what they're doing . They don't get to see their kids the way they like .

Absolutely Because of the type of women that tend to come into this sphere . The people you end up having children with aren't the best , best type of women , especially when they're not getting the piece of the cut they used to get when they were your woman . Bingo , absolutely .

Speaker 1

We're just being real about it . We got to be real about all the things . Absolutely , absolutely , well again , man . Rest in peace to DJ Polo . Condolences to the family and all those who are affected and impacted by his loss . We definitely lost a legend . If anyone can get this message take care of yourself , health message . Take care of yourself Health-wise .

Take care of yourself Mental-wise as well .

Speaker 2

Last thing in honor of DJ Polo yeah , road to riches . Live and let die or wanted . Dead or alive , pick one .

Speaker 1

Wanted dead or alive .

Speaker 2

Wanted dead or alive .

Speaker 1

We want a queen stand up . We want a frack city stand up . Left Rack City stand up . You know what I mean . Queens get the money . Queens get the money , stand up .

Speaker 2

I think I'm actually with you on that .

Speaker 1

On the Dead or Alive Without hesitation .

Speaker 2

Those are three great albums that people don't talk about enough . How about this ? I feel like he got progressive . I feel like they got progressively better . Each album Like I know it's a demo and yours and actual song , road to Riches , and it's like I know what records are .

But they're so much better as producers and as as the em the MC on live and let die and wanted dead or alive , we got comfortable . They're just better . They just leveled up . Yeah , absolutely . Some of it is because of the guy whose album we're about to review , cause he made people start rapping different , including cool yeah .

But when I listen to live and let die , it's like , oh no , it's like man , it's like that guy's great . When I listen to One of the Dead Alive , I'm like that guy's the man , oh yeah .

Speaker 1

Lyrically not flawed at all , unflawed lyrically . Cadence . Everything from transitioning everything , he had it mapped out by that time . The lisp is crisp . Yeah , and it was part of the aura , it was part of the legend . It is , it is , the lisp is part of it , part of the legend . You don't get that without that . You know what I mean , right .

Speaker 2

Because it literally feels like when he's rapping , it feels like you're being sliced with a blade , but it sounds like you're being sliced with a blade too , because of the lisp . Yes , and he's talking about slicing you with a blade .

Speaker 1

Yes , very similar to Pun Pun used to do that draw when he would go into his next bar . Something that he had to do because of breathing became part of the legend of his lyrics , his flow , his cadence .

Speaker 2

I think Pun is like a cool G-Rap descendant in a lot of ways . Oh yeah , we have a lot of those .

Speaker 1

We have a lot of those .

Speaker 2

A good example of what time is . The descendant of Cool G I was about to say Nas is one of those . We'll talk about it in a minute .

But since we're talking about Polo , which obviously involves G-Rap , you know , like part of rock m and cool g-raps legacy is this point at this point is the fact that they are the inspiration for the rapper that is , naz and jay , in a lot of ways , like , like , like they are really responsible for like naz and jay and big like particularly like , yeah , like ,

particularly like cool g rap and rakim . In my opinion , like those two guys particularly , but also krs and slick l you know what I'm saying yeah , I mean a prodigy on ray kwan .

I'll put ray kwan in that too , that mafioso right yeah , I mean , like rakim is doing mafioso talk on , know the ledge , yes 92 yeah , from a different perspective , yeah yeah , so it's like , when you're looking at like the lineage of it you know what I'm saying it's like they're not only great , but they and they like spawn .

The people that like are greater than them . Yeah , you can hear it .

Speaker 1

If you actually know your culture and your history , you can hear it you can hear it you can hear where they've actually found these things , the way they're putting their lines together , the actual breakdown , going from bar to bar , line to line . It's all of that . You can see the DNA . It's woven into their styles . It is when you want to go

The Legacy of Will Smith

to . Next . We got Will Smith Speaking of which Talk about Will . We got Will coming out . He's coming back spinning the block again . I'll be honest , I'll be capping the front and the side . I'm excited because I'm not . I'll be honest with you . You know it's kind of what it is . I'm not surprised .

Speaker 2

I'm not surprised at you , yeah it's kind of is what it is no . No , you are who you are . You do what you do .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I don't know if you have anything you want to share about it .

Speaker 2

You don't have anything to say do you ?

Speaker 1

I really don't . I mean . The only thing I can say is it's dope to hear Will rap , and the joint that he is doing right now is called Work of Art . It's with his son and Russ . The concept was dope . The concept was dope . Will sounds like Will . He doesn't sound different . He doesn't sound like he's lost it . If you will , the voice is still there .

I want to make sure that was you , that's you .

Speaker 2

That is you , okay , I just want to make sure .

Speaker 1

I'm just saying I don't have any expectations for it . I'm being honest with you . I'm keeping the buck Ridiculous . I'm a Will fan . That's ridiculous what ?

Speaker 2

you want me to say Not really , you're not really a Will fan , you're not really a fan , you're not really a fan .

Speaker 1

You're not a fan , I am , I am , I'm a Will fan .

Speaker 2

You're not talking like a fan what you want me to say .

Speaker 1

You don't sound like a fan . You don't sound like a fan . Let me ask you this Are you a fan ? I am , are you excited to hear an album ?

Speaker 2

from Will . I'm interested , I'm not excited , exactly .

Speaker 1

I'm not really interested . I'm not even excited . I'm like , okay , if it happens , I'll check , I'll play this . If you and AG say we need to do a review , can you listen to the album ? Yeah , I'll do that . But if y'all say that we're not going to do a review , I'm not going to probably listen to it . I'm being completely honest .

Speaker 2

I'm sorry , it's Will Smith . Hold on , it's Will Smith , first of all . This is what I keep trying to stress . He's very important to Black culture , hip-hop culture and to culture Very important we're doing ourselves a disservice if we don't give him his fair run .

Speaker 1

I agree . I'll be wholehearted .

Speaker 2

If I'm making to this day and it's been years now that I've been talking about this . I've been talking about this since I was a teenager . If I'm making a top five underrated rapper list , he's in my top five underrated rappers of all time .

He doesn't get rated properly as a rapper because of who he has become outside of rap , and rap heads have not been fair to Will . Will has a lot of things that make up a great MC . First of all , he has a great voice . He has great cadence , delivery , storytelling ability . You can't say he's repping somewhere funny , he's repping Philly .

It's funky in Philly , not funny . You know what I'm saying . Shout out to Philly . He's the first rapper to win a Grammy . He sold millions of records he has . He is the author of two of the 100 best rap songs of all time , because Summertime and Parents Don't Just Understand are top 100 rap songs . Summertime is way , way high . 100 rap song .

Summertime is way , way high . The only Summertime jam that I put with Summertime that actually came out in the Summertime is probably California Love , and in a vacuum , summertime was the joint that always plays at the barbecue over California Love . So it might even be better than California Love . Now think about that . It's a transcendent song .

Yes , absolutely , he's got everything . If you want to talk about who got money up in this bitch , Right , he has it . Blockbusters , all of that , yeah you want to talk about clout ? You want to talk about power , even for a time before things got I don't . What is it called entangled ? Yeah , the woman , no , he had the woman of your dreams .

He had the woman of all of our dreams . Like , in a lot of ways , for a lot of us is black men . You get what I'm saying , yeah , and so it's like he really don't get his props . One of the best sitcoms of all time . Definitely one of the best black times of all time .

One of the best sitcoms of all time with positive black themes , archetypes for black people , absolutely . He's done all these things and you know why all of that started . You know what started all of that ? Because once upon a time , he was a dope ass rapper , absolutely . And so I get tired of people trying to make it seem like he wasn't a dope ass rapper .

All of this happened for him actually , because he was a dope ass rapper . So don't ever forget that he was a dope ass rapper . And when it comes to dope ass rappers , I'm always going to be interested . Indeed , because you piqued my interest once . It's about if you're just going to meet my expectations .

Speaker 1

That's it . All those things are great .

Speaker 2

I'm actually looking forward to it . He's literally still one of the five most underrated MCs of all time . I don't care what people say , because very few people's career have been spawned from this rap business . Think about it he's rap's biggest crossover in terms of success , but it started from rap . He'll be the first to tell you it started from rap .

Fundamentally , he has always been a sound in pocket rhythmic rapper who has the ability to tell a story with great charisma .

Speaker 1

He always had great charisma as a rapper he did he appealed to a lot of people .

Speaker 2

Yeah , he has a lot of the tools . If he's not Will Smith who does Independence Day and Fresh Prince , you don't look at him the same way as a rapper . You look at him the way . How about this ? What's the difference between him and a childish Gambino or a Vince Staples ?

Speaker 1

What's the biggest ?

Speaker 2

difference between them . I mean because they're off the Will Smith tree like Cordae , like all of those guys . That's Will Smith .

Speaker 1

Absolutely , but he's done it at a much higher clip . Of course , he's so great at what he's done on the other side of rap that , to your point , it doesn't put him in those conversations of being in that number or that bracket of rappers . It doesn't put him in that top 25 , that top 50 , because he's so great at the other things .

Speaker 2

Mike , how about this ? We canonize Jamie Foxx so much for his multitude of abilities , from acting to singing , to performing . What's the difference between Jamie Foxx and Will Smith ? How about this ? Who's the lead in our league , will Smith ? Between Jamie Foxx and Will Smith ? How about this ? Who's the lead in Ali , will Smith or Jamie Foxx , will ?

Who played Ali Name , a dope-ass rapper that's good enough as an actor to play Muhammad Ali . I'll wait . That's what I'm saying .

Speaker 3

His talent . In that side he's the only guy walking around .

Speaker 2

That's good enough to make a rap album . I don't disagree . I don't disagree and play .

Speaker 1

Muhammad Ali at the same damn time You're moving my point , though he's more revered on that side than he is on the hip-hop side , and I'm not saying that to throw shots at him at all . I think Will is one of the most talented , not just rapper , I'm talking about talented people , period .

Speaker 2

Talented , but he's a child of hip hop first . And so we have to embrace that and lift that high . I think that's what the hip hop community has forgotten .

Speaker 1

Definitely , but that doesn't change my thoughts on anticipating a Wood album .

Speaker 2

Even with all that said , you're still not anticipating it . Even though he's iconic on so many levels it's ridiculous . I will give respect . I told you , I told everybody this it doesn't even matter if you're Chris Rock , you're the guy that Will Smith slapped . That's who you really are ?

Speaker 1

You're the guy that your face met his hand . Yes , like comedian , chris Rock gets slapped by Will Smith .

Speaker 2

Slap , that's who you really are . You're a guy that your face met his hand . Yes , right , like comedian Chris Rock gets slapped by Will Smith . Right , and like byline headline Right , think about how big Chris Rock is Exactly .

Speaker 1

And then he goes back and make an outstanding movie , successful movie in Bad Boys and now he's gearing up for I Am Legend . I'm more excited about I Am Legend Part 2 than I am about a Will Smith album . I'm sorry , that's just where I'm at right now with it . Would I give it a click and listen to it ?

Absolutely , but I'm not like over the hill for it , over the top for it over the hill for over the top for it .

Speaker 2

That's because the way that this entertainment structure is set up is that the movie in america is the grandiose event in entertainment . You understand that , of course . Of course it's the grandiose event .

It's where , literally , you take people from all over , you make sets , you do scenes , you play parts to put together something that people will look at and watch . It is the grandiose of the grandiose . You know what I'm saying , and so he's done that at such a high level that it's hard to forget that it's like , yeah , this nigga can rap Like this .

Speaker 1

Like he can rap Like this . As much as I respect Will and as much as I enjoy Will's career as a fan , I cannot tell you that I can put together a compilation of songs from Will over the years and say this is something I'm going to vibe out to for a day or two .

Honestly , I mean , I'm talking about putting together a collection of songs and I'm not saying he doesn't have it , I'm talking about my personal greatest hits . If you were to say , Sean , you're flying somewhere , what would your playlist look like ? Can you pull something from who ?

I would typically go to the usual suspects Go to Nas , go to Ray , go to Ghost , go to Wu Stuff like that . Right , I can make a playlist for that . But you say , Sean , can you put together a compilation or playlist on your travels with Will ? I would probably say , yeah , cool , and I wouldn't do it . I would lie to you .

I would be like , all right , yeah , I'll do it , and I won't do it Because it'll be tough . I don't want to listen to it . Personally , Parents just don't understand . It was cool back when I was six years old . Seven years old Today . Parents don't understand . I can't get jiggy with this . No pun intended .

Speaker 2

What about Miami in the summertime ?

Speaker 1

I never liked Miami .

Speaker 2

I never liked it . I was never big on Miami either . I'm not saying I'm big on the stuff , but a lot of the things that matter about Hip Hop 4 MC , I just people don't .

I want him to be remembered properly and people need to remember that he checked a lot of these boxes , that he checks Voice , cadence , delivery , hit-making ability , flow , memorable songs , iconic moments yes , all of that . He checks a lot of rapper-ass rapper boxes is all I'm saying Absolutely .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

Absolutely Like . How about this ? It's like he's the reason Drake exists too .

Speaker 1

Yes , he's a part of all of these things . Yes , I agree with you Absolutely .

Speaker 2

But I'm still not going to listen to it . No , it's friendly ass rap , but it's still rap Sometimes I don't want to have a .

Speaker 1

If I want to go friendly rap , I go to Drake .

Speaker 2

I don't find rap . I don't find Drake's raps to be really friendly . He's rather petty . That's why I hear all the petty shots so well .

Speaker 1

It's like man he's why I hear all the petty shots . It's like man , it's like he's petty .

Speaker 2

I see Mad Max in the building Shout out to Mad Max .

Speaker 1

Mad Max said . Mad Max said we'll get hate because people think he cheesy , but he better than guys like Gambino , vince and Bumhats Dot . None of them have a summertime or intro to Fresh Prince of Bel-Air , yo Mad Max .

Speaker 2

You missed Deuce Falco . Deuce Falco had a $10 super chat .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I sent him a message Deuce . We appreciate you , bro . He said , appreciate helping you all get past the work . No man , we appreciate you , bro , for tuning in on this beautiful Sunday

Supporting Will Smith's Rap Album

. Yo , mad Max is wild man . Yo , mad Max is wild I . Yo , Mad Max is wild man . Yo , mad Max is wild L over . I mean , I said L Will over . That is crazy , mad Max . I can't agree with that man . But cool . So with that said cool , where would you put ? Would you put Will in the top 50 or on the other side of 50 In your top 100 ?

Why don't I make it easy . Let's go top 50 . Would you put him in the top 50 or that 25-ish ranking top 100 . I'll make it easy . Let's go top 50 . Would you put him in the top 50 or that 25-ish ranking ? What would you put him ?

Speaker 2

I don't think he can fit in my top 50 . If I'm being honest , I think somewhere between 50 to 75 is legitimate 50 to 75? .

Speaker 1

Yeah , for what he's done for hip-hop . And I'll kid in a side , for what he's done for hip-hop absolutely , because if you think about it Will came in that time when you had the kid and play movement as well . There was a lot of like . He was part of that that feel good moment of hip hop .

You know of jokes , you know jovial things , dancing , all of that stuff was around him as well .

Speaker 2

You know what I mean . Before all these kids who were raised in the crack era started making crack music Right , right , right , crack baby shake rap Right right Right , but you still want me to go listen to .

Speaker 1

you , want me to be anticipating this album . I'm sorry , cool , I can't do it and shout out to Will Smith fans who's actually waiting for it , so we should be .

Speaker 2

So maybe anticipating in the rap sphere is not like fair to either side , like to him on the rap side , because it's not like he delves in this sphere too heavy too often anyway , no doubt .

And it's not like he's a top 50 rapper , right , I don't think he's either one of those things , but we need to be in the process of practicing good habits like a good marine should sean .

Speaker 1

What is it ?

Speaker 2

let me finish . Let me finish , which means when people like will smith pop out and pop out from our community and hip-hop is the base that got all of this started for him we need to show out and show up and show out for him . You want to know why ? Because this is how everybody else in every other culture does . You get what I'm saying Fundamentally .

Am I asking you to be excited ? No , I don't think that's fair to a rap fan to be like , ooh , I'm excited about a Will Smith project . It's like no , but do we need to understand the nature of the threat and understand ? It's like oh no , we need to support this nigga Absolutely and I will support him . You feel what I'm saying ?

Speaker 1

I will support him for that .

Speaker 2

To quote my guy Bandana P , because there's a war going on outside . No man is safe from . You can run , but you can't hide forever .

Speaker 1

Yeah , will Smith , winning is a win for us it is and we would not do what Stephen , a Smith punk ass did . Will represent . What did he do ? He was the one that went on , will . He was like Will Smith needs to apologize to the black community . He said that about three weeks ago .

Speaker 2

Oh yeah , I heard that . Why are you bringing ?

Speaker 1

that back up . Yeah , just for content .

Speaker 2

Real talk . I like the guy . I don't have anything personal against him . I don't know him . I might need to check his ass . He's been getting a little . He's been getting a little crazy , lately Getting out of hand . Getting out of hand . I know it when I see it , because I got an ego . You know what I'm saying . You're going a little too far .

You need to do something . You need to talk to somebody .

Speaker 1

That you need to do something . You need to talk to somebody .

Speaker 2

That's how you know , talk to somebody or shut the fuck up . Either way , talk to somebody so you can shut the fuck up .

Speaker 1

Yes , but you know what Will ? People reached out to him and he pulled everything back after that .

Speaker 2

Because Will people will smack the shit out of you . Will is from Philly . That's how Chris Rock got the shit slapped out of him .

Speaker 1

It's like oh no , there's still a nigga from Philly Right . Play with Will , if you want . Brandon Rodgers is traumatized .

Speaker 2

Have you heard the stuff that his wife has said ? He's traumatized . That's the motherfucker that you want to make jokes about . I wouldn't buy that . You know what that is . He's not paying attention to mental health in the Black community Pay attention to the algorithms .

Speaker 1

Brandon Rogers sent out a super chat . He said Ice Cube is coming out with a new album also . Wow , I didn't see that one , brandon . Appreciate you , man . I didn't see that one . I love that . Mad Max again sent out a super chat . Appreciate you , mad Max .

Summertime is literally a barbecue anthem on the level of the Christmas jingles from Mariah Carey and Halloween when they play the Thriller , at least for bad folks who had to barbecue like crazy . But they don't have no records . Mad Max is crazy man . Mad Max . I don't disagree with that because Mad Max .

Speaker 2

Mad Max . Where you been man , where you been Mad Max . Mad Max is wild . Have you been consorting with dying enemies in their cathedral ? Mad Max is wild .

Speaker 1

We about to get to that , jack . We about to get to the Rakim album review here in a second . So hold tight , we about to get there .

Speaker 2

You need to do like Wu-Tang Mad Max . You need to protect your neck , Nigga .

Speaker 1

Yo Mad Max is tripping , but shout out to Will Cooper's waiting for the album .

Speaker 2

Cooper's waiting for the album we're going to support .

Speaker 1

Regardless , we may not do a station Head , but we'll do something To support and show love . All I'm saying is that we just Need to be like Will's dropping a rap album , Not do a station head , but we'll do something to support and show love .

Speaker 2

All I'm saying is that we just need to be like Will's , dropping a rap album . It's like yay Support .

Speaker 1

Absolutely , absolutely . I'll definitely do that .

Speaker 2

I'm with that Hold on . It's a top five theme song of all time too . As far as sitcom Opening theme song , how many are better than the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air ? I ?

Speaker 1

can do that I can do that . Yeah , yeah , I can't think of none right now . Off the top of my head , that would be on that side . Yeah , golden Girls . Golden Girls got a banging theme song Trash Brilliant . Those are bars . Those are bars .

Speaker 2

Those are bars ?

Speaker 1

No , not for me , not . During that time , Young Sean was in the Miami Vice because I was trying to figure out how they was getting those men over here , a saxophone player high on cocaine that can't pick it up . I was in the mind of vice . I wanted to wear suits to school . My mom was like you crazy , what you want to wear a suit to school for .

I want to be like Crockett and Tubbs man , I want to be like Tubbs .

Speaker 2

I want to wear suits to school . Something is wrong with you . I know what is wrong with you .

Speaker 1

I was eight years old , wanting to wear a full suit to school . My mom was , like you , crazy .

Speaker 2

Well , in fairness to you , when I was eight years old and my mom and my aunt God rest my soul was trying to plan my birthday party , it's like I chose a Prince concert over hanging out with my friends . So it's like I wasn't a normal eight-year-old either . That's different .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

I was like no , no , no . I was like take me to see Prince .

Speaker 1

Right , it's different .

Speaker 2

They were like you don't want a birthday party , hey , I want your Prince . I was kind of like man , even when I was a kid man . Fuck these kids . Take me to see Prince .

Speaker 1

Even as a kid , it was all that .

Speaker 2

Yeah , even as a kid , it was fuck these kids , that's crazy . And so I went with my mom and my aunt to the omni to see uh prince on the love sexy tour . Oh , wow , this was my first concert . Yeah , that was my birthday present , because it was like october 12th . My birthday is october 2nd and that was .

Speaker 1

That was like prime prince too , that was prime .

Speaker 2

He's still performing little red corvette and do me baby and erotic city and like all that stuff yes , you're talking about prime prince , absolutely , absolutely .

Speaker 1

That's crazy , that's my first concert .

Speaker 2

That's what seven going on . Eight-year-old Armand asked you know what I'm saying ? You're not the only one that's a little different . It's like man , it's like parties . Fuck these niggas Did you know Prince is coming to town . V-103 and Mike Roberts said Prince is coming to town . Can roberts said prince coming to town , right and we go see prince please .

That is crazy . That is crazy . My mom and my aunt thought I was crazy .

Speaker 3

Actually they're like they're like what's nah ? What do we do with ?

Speaker 2

this one . It's like he wants to go see I remember them talking in the front seat like he wants to go see prince . Like can we take him to see prince ? And it's like , you know , it's like the show prince being given . It's like in a mind-handling scene . They're like in the front talking about it because I'm in the back asking to go see Prince .

I'm like , yeah , they took me to see Prince . That is wild .

Speaker 1

Again , shout out to Will Smith . Looking forward to the music . I'm sure we're going to do a review on it when it comes out . Everybody's coming out . Everyone's coming out , man . Everyone's coming out . All the OGs outside , everyone's coming out , man .

Speaker 2

Everyone's coming out , all the OGs outside , all the OGs outside .

Speaker 1

OGs are outside man Yo y'all should try this .

Speaker 2

Ice Cube coming LL already on the way .

Speaker 1

LL on the way we got more . You want to go Rob or you want to go DJ Mustard ? Which one you want to go to ? Yeah , do you want to go raw or do you want to go DJ Mustard ? Which ? One . Do you want to go ?

Speaker 2

next .

Speaker 1

Raw . I was hoping you would say Mustard . No , I'm not , let's go raw .

Speaker 2

We're going to start east and then go west . Let's do it . Let's go raw .

Speaker 1

Let's just have a conversation . Let's have an adult conversation , if you will . Let's have an adult conversation .

Speaker 2

I know that it's early it's only 1 o'clock but this might be the time to put the kitties to bed . It's about to get ugly in here .

Speaker 1

Probably If you're sensitive you may want to pull back as well . If you're sensitive , you may want to pull it back as well .

Speaker 2

Yeah , If you're sensitive , if you're hanging out right now with your punk-ass kids . It's so cool . You just left church . The first thing he's probably thinking is like man , I got to go feed these punk-ass kids .

Speaker 1

That's a fact . That's true . Indeed , I'll start with this . Seven songs with 23 , 24 features that's not good math . I love Ron . I don't think this album . Let me start with love first . Like Joe Budden will always say , let me begin with love . You got love . Fordenwald was saying .

Speaker 2

Let me begin with love . You got love for this .

Speaker 1

I'm going to have to show love . Just so it doesn't come off the wrong way , pause . I think that the album itself is not trash , it's not bad , it's not any of that . You said it on the phone earlier today and I'll let you speak on that here in a second . It's just a solid rap album and I don't know .

I'm kind of conflicted if we needed just a solid rap album from Rod , given who he is . This doesn't change where he's at in the pantheon of hip-hop by no means , by no means at all . Seven songs , 23 features , and this is your first album in what ? 15 plus years ? Something like that . And this is what you give us . I think that the production was okay .

It gives me more of a late 90s , early 2000s , killer Priest , sons of Manish type of vibration . I get it just based on the messaging of the album . It's not a concept album , just a rap-a-rap album . I'm trying to be very diplomatic right now , bro , because I know this is your favorite . What are your favorite episodes of all time as well ?

But I think I wanted more from this . I wanted Rod to tell us what he's been doing for the past 15 plus years . I wanted more concept . I wanted him to talk about who he is as a rapper , as an artist , as one of the legends , as one of those that we've we've crowned as one of the pinnacles and one of the foundations of hip-hop An album like this .

I want to hear more from him , as opposed to hearing from Chino XL , from Cannabis , who sounds horrible . Cannabis sounds horrible . Bruh and others on there who were just . They came to rap to sound horrible . Bruh and others on there who were just they came to rap .

Rakim's Legacy and Recent Albums

I don't know if it fit because of the features , man , it's like a compilation centered around rap . So I'm going to stop right there , man , because I see you putting your hat back . I want to stop right there for right now , so we can have an adult conversation . I want to go back and forth .

I want to have an adult conversation because I'm trying to process my emotions right now . You got to look , man . Don't do it , coop . Let's be diplomatic for right now .

Speaker 2

This album isn't bad . I'm going to be mindful , and I'm going to be as respectful as I can because of who he is and how important he is and he should like in the previous segment , where I'm talking about holding Will Smith high because he started here .

It's like , well , a certain caliber of MC and rapping exists literally because of this guy Rockin' , and so I want to be mindful about all of the things that I'm about to say .

But I would be lying if I told you that , after hearing this album a couple of times , I thought to myself for the first time , legitimately , I may have to slide him out of my top five , sean .

Speaker 1

Whoa , whoa , whoa , whoa whoa , that's not a jump yet . No , no , whoa whoa , that's not a jump yet .

Speaker 2

No , no , no , no , no . I had to legitimately ask myself that , because this goes back to everything that I was saying . When I'm saying Nas changed everything with these six albums , the rules apply to Rakim too . The rules apply to Rakim too , like you might have spawned the seed that created this whole thing , but you got to be judged by those standards too .

Think about this . No , no , no . Think about what I'm about to say .

If Nas is the GOAT , I can give you a viable argument that with his last six projects , he's outdone the quality work that Rock M did in his whole career with these six hit boy projects Not saying the impact , not saying quality of songs , but you get what I'm saying in terms of making quality rap albums . As far as quality rap albums , rock M has five .

Nas just made six in under three years . Am I wrong ? You're not . I'm not confusing any of these albums with Payton Full . Let the rhythm hit them or follow the leader . I'm not saying that the albums are better . Kd3 is better than KD3 and Magic might be . Let the rhythm hit them is pretty tough . How about this If Let the Rhythm Hit them ?

In my opinion , is Rakim's second best album , from beginning to end , after Paid in Full . Kd3 and Magic , give Let the Rhythm Hit Him a run for their money a little bit . Well , that guy still got Stillmatic and Lost Tapes and Illmatic and it was written it's like oh no , that does compete with all of Rakim's stuff , but he's also got this Magic series .

He's also got Life is Good . You get what I'm saying . And so to not release the album in 15 years . So right now , this is what we have . We have Paid in Full . Follow the Leader , let the Rhythm Hit Him . Don't Sweat the Technique . The 18th Letter , the Master , seventh Seal and this one . This is eight projects . How many of the projects are great ?

If it's eight projects . How many of them are great ? We have to be honest .

Speaker 1

That back half is shaky , that midpoint to back half is shaky , but midpoint to back half is shaky .

Speaker 2

But how many great albums does he have , in your opinion ? Great , great , three . So as far as great albums , he's three for eight . Yeah , I tell you he has two good albums after that , which would be Don't Sweat the Technique and the 18th Letter . Mm-hmm , don't Sweat the Technique and the 18th Letter .

But that would also mean , if we're being fair , that the last time he made a good rap album , it was 1997, . Sean 2024 . I get it , that was 27 years ago and that's okay .

No , it is okay because he made Paid in full and follow the leader and let the rhythm hit him , and so very few rappers are three for three the way those albums are three for three to start off a career . But he's not alone anymore , like people forget .

He got named greatest MC of all time , like he was the man but let the rhythm hit him is when he became the GOAT , like about that 1990-91 time . That's fair .

Speaker 1

That's when everything started bridging . He was bridging a lot during that time .

Speaker 2

Correct , he became the GOAT around . Let the Rhythm Hit Him time . That's the last time he made a classic rap album , sean . Yeah . Is it classic ? Let the Rhythm Hit Him , in my opinion , is one of the top three mic performances ever recorded on wax . It was written by Nas would be the other one . Life After Death by Big would be the other one Right .

So as far as mic performance , as far as his peak , he gets no better . You got to go to a prime Nas and a prime Big to find a rival lyrically , from beginning to end , as in , from verse to hook to song , to quality of record , to quality of album . You got to go to prime Nas and Big to even get to this guy's level record the quality of album .

You got to go to prom nas and big to even get to this guy's level . But if we got to be honest , it's been a long time since he's been at that level . Wow . And this album isn't it , man , it's , it's . It's just another rap album , sean , it's just another rap album . Yeah , from the guy who might be the best technician to ever operate on the microphone .

A couple of the hooks were banging , the verses were solid , but there was not one thing about this project that says this is one of the two , three , four or five greatest MCs who ever lived . There's nothing about this project that said that there wasn't even a flash . The 18th letter has flashes . It's like the guy that's on , it's been a long time .

The guy on the 18th letter intro the guy that's on . The saga begins . It's like oh no , you're hearing the guy that other people tell you is the greatest MC of all time . Like you hear that guy on the 18th letter Outside of the ELE verse , the intro to the ELE 2 album on Busta Rhymes album .

You really don't have a verse even in the last 10 , 15 years that says he's that guy and this project doesn't do anything to dispel that . You have one verse in the last 15 years that shows like first of the year in my opinion .

But you know , is your goat rapper or your top five rapper supposed to come out with one verse of the year caliber verse in 15 year span ? Like juxtapose that to naz on magic , where it's like damn near all the verses feel like verse of the year contenders , depending on what your favorite record is Absolutely , absolutely .

Beatless , meet Joe Black , hollywood Gangsta , the Truth . Like lyrically the mic performance where it's like , oh no , that sound like the guy that made Illmatic and it was written and lyrically is literally like about quarter , half a step , three-fourths of a step off , not a full step . The truth is it was written in Oz .

You know what I'm saying In terms of his ability to toggle through topics . You know what I'm saying . Then still put it with a hook . That's viable . Same thing with Hollywood Gangsta . Same thing with Speechless . It's like Right . Same thing with Hollywood gangsters . Same thing with speechless .

It's like oh no , he may not be the Illmatic , it Was Written guy anymore , just because it's like . You know , there's different ways to score 30 points a game . You know what I'm saying . Indeed , and this isn't even like . This is since we were talking about him . This is a team on like what ? Toronto ? this is a keen on .

Speaker 1

Toronto , Back on on Boston .

Speaker 2

Yeah , Came in Toronto , Shaq in Boston . Uh , Patrick , you went in a supersonics uniform .

Speaker 1

It's nasty .

Speaker 2

Yeah , no , you want to be . You want to be . What this album needed to be was Jordan on the wizards . It's like , oh no , that's not the guy that I can see , the guy that averaged almost 38 points a game for NBA season , Even though he only averages 20 to 22 . Now I see the guy that averaged 38 points .

Speaker 1

He's he's trying to do different way of scoring .

Speaker 2

Yeah , we needed to see that Rakim . We didn't get that Rakim at any point during this album . The hook on the record with G-Rap and Cannabis and a lot of Darkman that was the best point of the album .

Speaker 1

lyrically for Rakim I wrote that as my note . That is one of the best songs on the album period .

Speaker 2

To me it was Kim . I wrote that as my note . That is one of the best songs on the album period to me . It might be the best song on the album . Yes , that and the Illest with Corrupt and Master Killer .

Speaker 1

I like Method man verse on the seven joint . Yeah , but it's just meth verse .

Speaker 2

It's just meth verse , Sean .

Speaker 1

It's not enough .

Speaker 2

And Rock Kim don't even rap . He's not even rapping on half these songs Sean .

Speaker 1

That's what I'm saying . Seven songs 23 features .

Speaker 2

It's a bar work . It's a Rakim album . I came for bar work .

Speaker 1

Right , I came to hear . I want to know what you were doing , man . I want to hear stories .

Speaker 2

I want to hear I came for bar work . I came for bar work . You gave me bye .

Speaker 1

Yeah , you said a lot , man . It got me thinking , so so hear me out what , if okay , you mentioned nas , you mentioned the goat . Um , you mentioned magic one , katie three nas had someone in the studio how about this ?

Speaker 2

is this better than four four four ? I don't like four four , four . Um , and you that I asked you if it was better . Not really . Is it better than Morale and the Big Steppers ? Yeah , I

Rakim's Compilation Album Critique

mean , that's not . That album sucks , no , no , I'm glad that you're still saying Mr Morale sucks because there are no good songs on there .

Speaker 1

There's no good songs , not that I can vibe to .

Speaker 2

I'm with you , sean , and that's why I was asking you that Is it as crappy as Mr Morale ? No , it's not that poor . It's not like a 2.5 out of 5 , but it's not better than 4.44 , which is like a 3 out of 5 . It's like a 2.75 , if that's the case .

Speaker 1

But that goes back , it's not good , it's not bad , but it's not good . It's not . What's the ?

Speaker 2

memorable song . What's the memorable moment ? The most memorable moment for me is hearing Cool G Rap's verse and hearing Rakim come in with the hook right after a Cool G Rap verse . But that's mostly because I'm ahead and it's the Cool G Rap and Rock M . These ain't even as good as the Cool G Rap Kane songs that Cool G Rap and Kane have done lately .

They got two records . That's better than this whole project .

Speaker 1

Maybe we need to hear Raw .

Speaker 2

It's three verses . You gave me three verses and three hooks .

Speaker 1

Essentially , there has to be a method behind the madness .

Speaker 2

For this I think he needs to have people To talk about it .

Speaker 1

I think he needs to talk about this , the conception of this album , because I think there's a method behind it . There has to be a method behind this . I mean , I get where you're coming from , but here's what I'm saying . Nas was able to push out a Magic and a KD series when he had someone like he , had people around him .

At that time you got one of the hottest producers in the game in the studio with you and you guys are curating a project . Think about this . Cool , hear me out , let's . It's hard to compare Nas and Ra at this point , because it's not even a comparison . It's not a comparison .

Only comparison you can say is that in the inception of their careers , there was some DNA , right , but now you can't compare it . But let's look at like this some DNA right , but now you can't compare it . But let's look at it like this when Jay was at his best , he was around some other talented people . You had Beans in that room .

You had Freeway in that room . You even had the Dipset in that room at one point . You had as bad as Bleak is . You had people around there feeding you , feeding your creativity . You weren't isolated . You weren't isolated . Right Nas had Hit-Boy . Nas was no longer isolated . He has someone saying , hey , why don't you try this concept ?

I think we want to hear this from you in this manner . He has someone feeding him . You know different things . I don't think Raw had a lot of Dark someone feeding him . Different things . I don't think Raw had a lot of Darkman feeding him . I love a lot of Darkman , but I don't think he had that connection to help that . You know what I'm saying .

Again , I get it , sean , real talk .

Speaker 2

What is a Rakim album without Rak M's bars ?

Speaker 1

I agree I agree the end .

Speaker 2

End of story . I don't care how people try to kick this or pitch this .

Speaker 1

I agree and will disagree .

Speaker 2

It's a Rock M album without Rock M spinning bars consistently and without Rock M level bars . And here's the thing about it . All the other projects , even if they're not great , they have moments of Rock M with Rock M level bars . Like the 7th Seal has Holy , are you ?

The Master has , when I Be On the Mic , like there are a couple other joints on both of those albums . You and I on the 7th seal Like no , he has stuff where it's like it's rock him .

So it's like I don't know how he was kicking this , but to put this out as a rock him album when it's really a compilation album yeah For you obviously to have like he's . He's had these issues before he did take a five-year break . When I bring up kendrick's five years break , I often reference this five-year break .

I say the difference between the five-year breaks is the fact that when when this guy took his five year break , he was literally the goat . He was the goat when he left , like when he stepped away from the microphone . He was the greatest rapper we had ever heard on the microphone .

Yeah , when he stepped away it was shaky but he was there and nobody and nobody and nobody else is ever about to say that again in this circle . Nobody's ever about to say I stepped away for five years and I was the greatest of all time when I stepped away for five years . Nobody's ever about to say that . So he was ahead .

The rap is a here and now sport . Part of how he ended up being the GOAT is because the first three albums showed it's like this guy , every time he comes out , is superior and far ahead of his competition .

Speaker 1

Right , but cool . That's probably why he should have named it different . It should have been Rakim Presents , whatever , whatever .

Speaker 2

Rakim Presents . It should have been like whatever , like conglomerate or group or label , whatever this is under , whatever he's pushing on the business side .

It should have been presented that way , because you say , rock him coming out with an album and you give me three hooks and you give me , like I love all these guys , it's like I love master , like I love all of this . How about this ? You know what it sounded like . It sounded like a Swayin' Tech CD 99 . You got Tina Spell , you got a lot of Darkman .

You got Cool G Rap . You got Cannabis . I get it . You came to get all the spitters . So you're trying to make a point about how the rap and shit Crooked Eyes versus Grape Outstanding Stellar . Crooked Eyes versus Grape Outstanding Stellar . You wouldn't got Master Killer Corrupt . You wouldn't got all the hitters . Yeah Meth , you wouldn't got the hitters .

You wouldn't got the lyrical hitters . I see what you're trying to do 2024 , fam . You can't do it . You can't run it like this right . I wish he had people around him helping him . This is what . This is why hit boy is so important in this nas thing and people like coop you crazy saying hit boy is top 10 .

It's like he gave the greatest mc of all time the ability to solidify his case for greatest emcee of all time by making him current again . That is part of the solidification of it .

Speaker 1

But Coop , that's what I'm saying . It's hard to put that in the same vein as this .

Speaker 2

This shit don't sound like 2024 .

Speaker 1

But maybe that was the intent . Maybe that's not the intent . I think it's more compilation than anything . I really feel this is a compilation . It's 2024 .

Speaker 2

I get it . This ain't how you do this , but you're talking about someone who can tell him . Somebody need to tell him who . That's the problem . Who . Who's going to ? tell him . This is what I mean .

So when I'm saying I should be an anr , because it's like what I really see happening in this business , the closer and the more connected I've come to it , is it like oh , you don't know how to tell this nigga that this isn't it .

You don't have it in you to tell him that I don't have those type of problems right , but who's going to tell about that honestly me ?

Speaker 1

he's saying my album is going to be called God's Network Me . Let's look at that in a literal sense . He said my vision is this is God's Network , meaning these are the guys who I rock with . I'm the God MC . These are the guys I rock with . This is my network . This is the name of the album album . So maybe from a compilation . Again , you're right .

Maybe some tweaks here and there by saying , hey , this is a compilation album . God's network meaning the rock him to God is networking with the guys who I like to hear that . I love to hear lyrics . You know what I'm saying . That's where it's coming from .

If he has one , if he went on a actual run , like something would come and people like do it by explaining their thought process behind this . Maybe we could have processed it a little bit differently , but we didn't get that . We got this instead , can I ?

Speaker 2

tell you something . Yeah . Sometimes you can be a victim of your own success . Absolutely , absolutely . Once upon a time , the way that this man rhymed , the draw and his delivery , the drawn-out rhythmic , actually cadence that was more musical like than hip-hop disco-like , that contrarian opinion to style and craft of MC is part of what catapulted him ahead .

Mc Shan and Marley Marl are sitting in Marley's apartment telling this nigga that he needs to have more energy and needs to ramp it up and he's like no , I got different ideas about how I want to do it . That's the 17 year old version of him . Right , 17 year old version of him Was ahead of the curve and heard something musically .

that put him ahead of his competition that was anywhere from 15 to 25 . He leaped ahead of them Because of that contrarian thought and opinion . When something like that happens to you and you become who he has become , this is what I mean . We all have an ego . He's been the man since he was 17 .

Exactly , it's hard to tell somebody who people have looked at like you might be the best rapper that I have ever heard in my life since they were 17 years old . Do you think the 55 , 56 year old version of that person is good at taking critique and criticism ?

absolutely not absolutely not which is exactly why nobody might not be around to tell him that , because people may have not tried to tell him that , but because that 17 year old that was musically ahead of this rap game , like 10 years ahead , like at 17 he was 27 and everybody around him was like literally their respective ages but he was 10 years ahead of the

curve . It's hard to tell that guy something . It is . But that's where nausea becomes special , because Bingo . That's why it's special , because it's like no , you have somebody . Because the only other person that's really been this ahead of the curve , lyrically , or caught up to the curve , that was created by the guy .

Well , when that guy is at age 47 , 48 , 49 and humbling himself to a guy who is 34 , 35 , 36 for the sake of making the product of music work , that's a game changer . We haven't seen people do that . Most of our stars typically behave the way Rakim does , not the way Nas just did with the hip boy thing and actually provided some submission , as in .

It's like I might be the greatest MZ of all time , but you might know what you're talking about to make this shit work right now , today , because it's not 1997 , it's not 1992 , because it's not 1997 , it's not 1992 , and it's definitely not 1988 .

Speaker 1

Right , but he's different . I don't care . I don't care , I don't care .

Speaker 2

He might be different . Being different isn't the only thing that classifies your greatness .

Speaker 1

I agree , but he's also open to albums . No .

Speaker 2

Sean albums . Yeah , Quality of albums . Now , if we're ranking his albums , okay . So the difference between being five for seven and five for eight , you get what I'm saying . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Yeah , it's like , oh no , you was shooting like 70% , Now you're shooting like 57% . No , it's not the same . 70% , 57% is not the same thing .

If a quarterback completes 57% of them passes , they're going to find themselves out of the league . If a quarterback completes 70% of the passes , they're going to find themselves in the MVP conversation every year .

Speaker 1

But cool . Go back to your favorite artist , prince . You think someone is going to go in and tell Prince God rest his soul . Hey , prince , don't come up with that project . I want you to do this . You're not going to tell Prince what to do in the studio . You're not going to tell Prince how to create and curate an album .

That's why a lot of his albums are the way they are , because he does what he want to do .

Speaker 2

He's earned that right . Can I say something ? Can I say something ? That's what's wrong with .

Speaker 1

Prince's career in the 90s after Diamonds and Pearls , absolutely that's what I'm saying .

Speaker 2

Inability to listen to Wise Counsel , because you're like oh shit , I made 1999 . I made Controversy , I made Purple Rain , I made Sign of the Times . I really don't give a shit . I do , but I don't because we're here right now , today . Are you making a sign of the times in the purple rain of today ? Well then , nigga , shut the fuck up .

Speaker 1

That's my point .

Critiquing Rakim's Recent Album Release

Speaker 2

No , like they're human beings , they're individuals . That's what I mean about how this industry is ran . It's like , oh no , like fire my ass if I'm going to have to talk to you , that way I know who I am . Like that'd be the problem .

People are so worried about their job security , like you have to be invested in the culture to tell somebody like a Prince or a rock and be like yo fam , that ain't it . You have to be invested into the culture . Too many people respect the check but don't respect the culture .

Speaker 1

Right , absolutely .

Speaker 2

Because here's the thing about it . That's another thing where Nas and Hitboy have kind of shown us it's like oh no , it can be done . Don't tell me Nas don't have an ego . Yeah , you hear the ego . He has an ego , he's earned it . He's earned it . But the ego ain't keeping him from doing stuff with Dirt and Sean , you get what I'm saying .

It ain't keeping him from rapping on beats like 40 side , you feel me . It's not keeping him from making a death row east , exactly , but he's not being limited by the boundaries because the guy is telling him no , the thing is to be out right now . We got to be out .

Speaker 1

We got to be in motion yeah .

Speaker 2

We need to sound a certain way . We got to be out , we got to be in motion . Yeah , we need to sound a certain way . We update our formulas .

Speaker 1

Right , we update our formulas .

Speaker 2

This is hip-hop .

Speaker 1

Yes , he approached it all from a student and a fan perspective . Rod doesn't have that . These guys who's on his album , they are approaching it as students they're all his children .

Speaker 2

Exactly that's why the guest list don't work exactly Koo Jee Rapp's the only equal on the album that's it the rest of them are his children so fit comfortably into the framework of what he's trying to ?

Speaker 1

do somebody around him should have been like no right , but they're not going to do of what he's trying to do , somebody around him should have been like no Right , but they're not going to do it because he's producing . If you want to stay , current .

Speaker 2

If you want to stay current with this whole bar seminar shit that you're doing , it's like no , we need to get you on a track with Nas and Black Thought . We need to get you and LL . We need to get LL on the hook to a song .

Speaker 1

How do you say that to him ? Like no , how do you say that to him ? That's what I'm getting at . How do you say that to him ?

Speaker 2

same way . I say it to every other nigga nigga he's him , I don't care like . This is what I'm saying . Too many people care about who they are and not what it is . I know who you are and we can spend all day .

No , no , no , I will spend 12 hours in the studio with you and for 10 hours I will remind you of who you are , but for the last two hours that we are recording , I'm going to remind you it is not 1991 .

Speaker 1

We're not making mahogany right now , again he's him , that is not going to play . You , Great man , but Coop , again he's him , that is not going to play . You have to have someone that has that gravitas to say look , look , ra , this can't come out this way . It needs to be packaged this way or that way . Not many can Coop . They shelved .

Oh my God , with him and Dre . Creative differences .

Speaker 2

Oh no , it's the biggest mistake of Rakim's career . He's not going to Dre Creative differences oh no , it's the biggest mistake of Rakim's career .

Speaker 1

He's not going to listen .

Speaker 2

Not going to listen to Dr Dre ? No , ridiculous , think about this . He's the only person to really tell Marley , marl and Dr Dre no , I'm not going to do that .

Speaker 1

You're not going to do that . Yeah , I've made no delay .

Speaker 2

Yeah , if I want to slide you out of my top five because you don't know how to follow directions and keep up with the time . Look , think about this if you want to go against Marley in 86 , that's fine . You want to go against Dre in 96 , no , I'm not fine . You can't keep doing this .

You need to have a catalog to reflect it , and where does he have the catalog ? What does need to have a ? Catalog to reflect it ?

Speaker 1

Where does he have ?

Speaker 2

the catalog ? What does he have in the catalog to reflect Like real talk . How about this ? Is Jay's catalog better ? Is Jay's catalog better ? No , Nas' catalog is better . Jay's catalog is better than Ron . Yes , absolutely . Is the Scarface catalog better ? Yes . Ice Cube . Yes , yes .

Speaker 1

Ghostface yes , absolutely .

Speaker 2

Then I can slide you out of my top five if you're going to keep on doing this shit .

Speaker 1

You absolutely can . But what I'm saying is , this album for me doesn't change where I always had him . It just doesn't . I'm sorry , it just doesn't I get it , I don't get it .

Speaker 2

That's the problem . It I don't get it . That's the problem . I don't get what just happened .

Speaker 1

I'm looking at the playing field .

Speaker 2

He's the producer you could have made a mixtape without this being attached to your name .

Speaker 1

I disagree he's the producer . He did all the beats .

Speaker 2

That's not a good thing , that's a J Cole problem that's what I'm getting at .

Speaker 1

There's no checks and balances in place . There's no checks and balances in place . It's like you're saying matter of fact , one of my favorite movies , boomerang . Remember the dude on the nasty guy that wanted to make the nasty commercials ?

Speaker 2

on Boomerang Franje .

Speaker 1

Marcus said man do whatever you want to do Like Marcus said , don't let me do what you want to do , and you came up with the worst commercial . He gave up .

Speaker 2

She was like squeezing the baby . She was squeezing the bottle of perfume out . They were screaming like wow .

Speaker 1

I forgot the name . He was like marvelous . He was like just a nasty dude . He had no boundaries . He said , man , do whatever you want to do . You have the autonomy to do whatever . And he made a very bad commercial . There's no different than this . Someone said you know what ? That's , rob , he can do whatever he want to do . And this is what we get .

We don't put checks and balances in place . There's no checks and balances . There's nothing to keep you in . The paint doesn't have to keep you in the pain .

Speaker 2

That's nothing , somebody that conversationally , and is the only person from this era to move over to the next era and to be talked about in the name of a Nas , a Big , a Jay , a Pop , and to transition over to the next era and to be mentioned with the likes of Kendrick a Cole and a Drake , critically acclaimed wise , a Lauryn Hill and Andre 3000 .

He's still considered to be in that sphere , just off of his rapping skill alone . You understand , because it's not about any of his sales or any of his numbers . It's literally about who he is to this culture . When that's your thing , homie , you got to maintain it , part of it , and this is why I'm saying what I'm saying no , no , no .

He was the GOAT and was titled the GOAT and looked at that way Don't let the rhythm hit him dry . It's like , oh no , he's got a greatest MC of all time . Right , it was written . We didn't have a life after death . We didn't have a hit boy run . We didn't have Jay hit his peak yet . We didn't have a clan yet . We didn't have outcasts yet .

We didn't have mob deep yet . We didn't have the southern invasion yet . We didn't have the Southern Invasion yet . We got . Ice Cube . You know what I'm saying , but we didn't know what Ice Cube was turning into . It's like , are you sure , because this album makes me look at things differently If I'm going to do it to Kendrick , got to do it to Raw .

If I'm going to sit up here and argue with these buffoons on social media who keep trying to tell me Untitled is better than to pimp a butterfly , when they need to be pimp slapped for saying that not better than to pimp a butterfly in no way , shape or form is Untitled better than to pimp a butterfly , since twice this week I've had to take it up for

Kendrick don't get Jack started , man don't get Jack started because of Lupe being a hater , because of you Nas fans thinking that fried chicken is fucking with these walls , with Bilal .

Speaker 1

I do not love fried chicken .

Speaker 2

How much a dollar cost is better than everything that's untitled by two . And I think Nas is the goat . He's the greatest MC of all time . He doesn't have anything on there , fucking with how much a dollar costs , like he don't . I'm sorry .

Speaker 1

Some people are saying . People in the chat right now say Untitled was better than All Into Pimple Butterfly and I rock with those people .

Speaker 2

I think those people are on rocks . You rock with them . I think they're on rocks . The whole epidemic coming back . Oh man , it feels like the late 80s again . Old white men are about to get in office again and they deserve to be . Fascination attempts . That Gangsta Grill's Hip Hop Talks mixtape coming soon . The Liberals strike back .

Speaker 1

The movie's killing me right now .

Speaker 2

The Liberals strike back Movie's killing me right now . The Liberal Strike Back is coming right now .

Speaker 1

Let me get the super chat . Yo King21 , appreciate you , bro , play poor Sportsmanship by Big Sean and Nas Nas on a completely different level . Yo , that joint is tough , KML , appreciate you . It's tough . What you giving it , man , what mic system you getting it ? What we looking at ?

Speaker 2

I told you , 444 is a 3 . This isn't even a 3 . Sean , it's a 2.75 .

Speaker 1

Oh , you're going that low with it .

Speaker 2

Do you think it's a 3 ? Show me the 3 . I don't think it's a 3 . The production is not there . The mic performance is great . I hate to be the one . I'm the one that always brings up . First of all , I created bar work . When people say bar work , it's like no , no , no , that's definitely me . When people talk about bar seminar , that's me .

Obviously I'm a fan of bars .

Analyzing Rakim's Recent Album Release

When I saw the list of guest appearances , I was like y'all just going to rappity rap all day . That's what I really thought . I was like y'all just gonna rapity rap all day . Yeah , that's what I really thought . I was like y'all gonna rapity rap all day . Yeah , it's gonna be the Rock , the Master Killer , you gonna bought me the job .

Speaker 1

The Dark man , the only thing that got me excited was Cool G Rap .

Speaker 2

I was like if I can get a Cool G Rap and Rock N verse on the same song , I'm gonna be cool . I'm not talking about like an authentic like , something like when I didn't get that and rockin came in on the hook , I was like , okay , so you ruined that for me . You know , I'm saying you got chino xl , you got cannabis .

It's like , oh , you got all the traditional spitters . Yeah , it's 2024 , I get it cool you gotta watch that shit .

Speaker 1

I get it . We already we knew this was . You got to watch that shit , I get it . We knew this was going to happen . You got to watch that , yeah , you're giving a 2.75 .

Speaker 2

And this is what I mean about going to get in the spitters , and I mean this respectfully . You're Rakim Mm-hmm . I've seen you on tour with KRS-One and Big Daddy Kane . Where are they ? If you're going to do this , do this . Here's how the album should have gone .

Speaker 1

He doesn't want to .

Speaker 2

I don't care . This is what I mean . If you wanted to give this lyrical manifesto on he doesn't want to cool , I don't care , he doesn't want to . No , this is what I mean . If you wanted to give this lyrical manifesto of a project back to people . You know how you do that . You and KRS-One do a song together . You and Big Daddy Kane do a record together .

Do we want that , do we ?

Speaker 1

Yes .

Speaker 2

That's better than this . You'd rather have a lot of Darkman and Cannabis and Chino XL than KRS-One .

Speaker 1

I would wear that a lot of Darkman , big Daddy .

Speaker 2

Kane , no , no , if you're going to look at this , let's really look at this fam . Okay . A Rock M joint with Slick Rick doing the hook yes . A Rock M and KRS-One joint yes , a rock him joint with slick rick doing the hook yes , okay . A rock him and krs1 joint yes , a rock him , cane and cool g rap joint yes .

A rock him and naz joint yes , a rock him joint with ll cool j doing the hook yes , okay . A rock him , jizza and Black Thought collab record yes , not these guys . Bring in the guys that are really going to gravitate your core audience back towards you .

These are all looked at like your children Corrupt and Lava , dark man and Kent All these guys , except for Cool G Rap , they're looked at like your children . Go fuck with your peers . If you're going to do this , go fuck with your peers . No , going to do this , yeah , go fuck with your peers . No , go trade bars with cool g rap today . Krs1 today .

Kane today . Naz today , l today , slick today . And the fact that he didn't do it , sean , makes me think from the verses that I did here , not there anymore , and and I would just rather remember him how he was . But today was the first time I really thought to myself nigga , you should have rapped to that in the club beat and did what Dre said .

Today was the first day I really seen it .

Speaker 1

I wouldn't want to hear it when the club needed it all .

Speaker 2

There was a record called after you die that I heard and I was like , even if they would have did the joint like that and it would have been variations of that , it would have worked . But I've seen his inability to work well with others .

Quite frankly , it's been a long time since I came in the door , said it before but no , I ain't down with Eric B , no more . It's like shit kind of wish you were , because even if you were the one making the beats , he was the one telling you that you needed a certain sound . No , he had fucking Paul C , large Professor , and Eric B early on .

That's high-level fucking productions .

Speaker 1

It is , but he doesn't want that . He wants to do his own thing .

Speaker 2

It's what made him the GOAT when he was the GOAT .

Speaker 1

He doesn't care about that , no more . That's why he produces his own album . This is his , this is all his Production , everything , direction , conception , everything . It's all him . That's what he wanted . Yeah , we get a little bit of cool . That's what he wanted .

Speaker 2

Jay made 444 . Jay made Magna Carta cool , that's what he wanted . Jay made 444 . Jay made magna carl , that's what he won . I'll tell you . Like pastor told me earlier this morning , I'm gonna need to put my armor on , yeah I'm gonna have to because you're .

Speaker 1

You're taking some l's right now . Three stacks drop the flute album . You still haven't addressed you . You still haven't overcome that we talk about mental health . You haven't faced that . You're avoiding that .

Speaker 2

So you got three stacks I don't believe that that happened actually yeah , it happened .

Speaker 1

Cool , I don't believe that happened . I'm gonna sit into you and get in the chat . Oh , three stacks flute album raw guys network . What else you got ? What else you got ? What else you got ? Cole , cole , cole bowing out . Yo , that's your . What else you got ? What's going on ?

Yeah , everything that you built around your legacy , coop this is your legacy In front of you getting pushed down .

Speaker 2

Lupe's making me take up for Kendrick . Lupe , make you take up for Kendrick . This is ridiculous . No , it's been a bad week . This is why you should talk to somebody . No , this is why you need to take care of yourself . This is why self-care really is the best .

Speaker 1

Yes , You're having a rough year . 2024 has been rough to you .

Speaker 2

Yeah , Actually , in a lot of ways it's been good . You know what I'm saying . I trimmed a lot of the fat and I got fatter .

Speaker 1

You know what I'm saying , alright , next album , man , dj Mustard , dj Mustard , I'm going to pick it . So 2.75 for Raw . I mean , do you ?

Speaker 2

disagree . Do you disagree ?

Speaker 1

with my 2.75? .

Speaker 2

You want to give him a three I can't give it a three If you want to . I'm not giving out Hall passes . I don't give anybody Hall passes , not even the Guardians , I can't give it a three .

Speaker 1

I did hit up AG .

Speaker 2

Where's cheat codes at ? What's your rating for cheat codes by Black Thought ?

Speaker 1

I got cheat codes pretty high up there though , Me too .

Speaker 2

Think about cheat codes .

Speaker 1

Yeah , it's not even close to cheat codes .

Speaker 2

It's not even the same atmosphere as cheat codes .

Speaker 1

It's not at all Dan .

Speaker 2

Calibro lyrics is supposedly , though , right .

Speaker 1

Yeah , this is not even . That's not even a conversation .

Speaker 2

The Roots' first independent project , Organics , came out the same year as Let the Rhythm Hit Him .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

You feel what I'm saying ?

Speaker 1

It's not even close . No , no , no .

Speaker 2

Doc just made cheat codes a few years ago .

Speaker 1

Yeah , no , I feel you . Yeah , no , it's Hit Boy and .

Speaker 2

Nas just went on a run . Paris One's last album sounded better than this .

Speaker 1

It can go from a 2.5 to 2.5 . Amy .

Speaker 2

Cooley , you've had to drop dope singles in the last few years . You do not get to give us this .

Speaker 1

No , you're right , You're right . Let me get to see what you have real quick . Ill Magic . Krs's latest album is better than this album . It is . It really is .

Speaker 2

It is Want to be an MC .

Speaker 1

It is . I don't want no trouble . Five out of chat . Appreciate you . Who do y'all consider a better rapper ? 95 , 96 , Raekwon . 96 , 97 , Jay-Z . I'm going Ray all day . I'm not going front . 95 , 96 , Raekwon was bonkers .

Speaker 2

How about this 95 , 96, ? Raekwon is on more classic albums than 96 , 97 , jay Look man . How about this 95 ? 96 ? Ray is on Return to the 36 Chambers , the Purple Tape . Obviously that's 95 . He's on Raw . High .

Speaker 1

He's on .

Speaker 2

Investigative Reports on Liquid Swords . He's got the Purple Tape . He's got Iron man . He's got his verse Tape . He's got Iron man . He's got his verse on Eye for an Eye on the Infamous . He's got his verse on Nighttime Vultures on Hell on Earth . Yeah , he's got Iron man . He's the best rapper on Iron man .

Think about this Of the three best Wu solo projects , Ray's the best rapper on two of the three projects . Yeah Well , no two of the four , because Iron man Supreme .

Speaker 1

I got them ahead . Hell , I got Goldspace ahead . I got 95 , 96 Goldspace .

Speaker 2

No , I don't have 95 , 96 Goldspace ahead . Shit , shit , 95 , 96 Ray .

Speaker 1

For reals it was strength of 80 midges . Come on .

Speaker 2

Supreme clientele , like I don't know if there's a rap album where somebody brings you into their world , has successfully has . He brings you into their world while the music is still classic and great , like like all the way into the world . Like like all the way it's , like like you were , like there's something about Supreme Clientele that sucks you in the way .

Very few rap , right , you know what I'm saying .

Speaker 1

I probably missed it while you watched me dollar dig . No , everything about it , just the charisma .

Speaker 2

You just knew what you were listening to was great and you just fed into whatever it is that he was doing . How many very rap albums have the appeal of Supreme ? It's like I don't care what he's doing , it's not like . It's not like Get Rich or Die Trying , or it's Dark and Hell is Hot where the hooks are great , so the hooks are so great .

It's like no Ghost draws you into Supreme the way . Very few rappers have ever drawn in an audience for a rap album . It's a special , special moment . Very few , yes , and he's responsible for some of those other moments . I can't tell the woods hanging in the purple tape , so it's like he draws you in .

Speaker 1

He's saying wild stuff . You know Gorilla with strength of 80 midgets .

Speaker 2

It's crazy when I think about you know what I love ? He's on Apollo Kids . Heavy rain fucked my kicks up , bitch laughing . First thought was beat the bitch up . I was like yo . I was like he's really telling you how he's feeling , right there right there so I think Supreme Clientele and Equimini actually have the biggest world draw .

In fact , it's where it's like you get drawn into a whole world , like where it gets deeper than the artist . It's down to that . It's like it's it's their theology . It's not even how rap , it's like how they live , right . It's like Supreme clientele is how Ghost lives , right . Equimini is how Outkast lives . You know what I'm saying ?

It's like those albums are special when they come along like that . There's not a lot of rap albums like that .

Speaker 1

No doubt that's a good question . I appreciate that . Question 96J was phenomenal . 97j was trying to follow the big and bad boy formula and that's what we got stones like I know what's like . I know what boys like I know what girls like . That's part of the hook too . Coop . I know what boys like I know what they want . They want to text me .

They think I'm sexy . I remember the joint Coop . I've been trying to forget it my whole life .

Speaker 2

It's really the worst song on the album .

Speaker 1

The worst song on the album . No , the worst song on the album is actually Sunshine .

Speaker 2

No , no , no , I know what girls like is worse than Sunshine .

Speaker 1

You think so I do , I can deliver the beat , I do .

Speaker 2

I can deliver the beat . No no , no , I can deal with . Babyface I can deal with Babyface , I can't deal with Puff . On that whack-ass beat with Kim .

Speaker 1

He was yelling Puff was yelling on the beat . He was going crazy . That was the cocaine . That was Jay hugging himself . I know what girls like .

Speaker 2

Please , please , please

Analyzing Hip-Hop's Financial Support System

, please , please . When we're talking about Diddy and we're talking about Jay and you talk about hugging and then together it just my bad , I don't want to get flagged , I don't want to lose anything .

Speaker 1

Right , you're right , you're right , but that's , that's a great question . That was a great question . Thank you for that . That's super chatting , that question , oh cool , let's get . Let's get ready to get up out of here , man . Let's talk about the DJ Mustard joint . I find it to be a very easy listening album . I thought the features were good .

I think it's constructed really well . It's just a feel good album . I don't think nothing that really stands out , nothing to me . When we got backstage you heard me listening to that joint that I felt like the LMA joint .

Speaker 2

The LMA joint , the remake of 9-1-1 . To me that's thea joint , the remake of 9-1-1 . The remake of 9-1-1 .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that's the best joint to me on the album . Honestly , everything else is nothing that really stands out to me . Whether it's good , bad or indifferent , I just think it's a very solid album . I really do Nothing crazy , nothing that made me say , oh wow , he got one . It's just more of yeah , this is pretty dope .

Speaker 2

Pretty , it's just more of yeah this is pretty dope pretty dope album . I thought it was a good album . Um , you know , you remember summertime in the lbc by the dove shack . Yeah , all these records kind of sound like that , just kind of like updated slightly .

Speaker 1

It's like three years past that back on that one yeah , yeah , you like that summertime lb about a dub check .

Speaker 2

It's like that's how this album kind of feels . Yeah , like the fit staples . I feel like , first of all , I feel like the second half of the record is stronger .

I think he made it a point and I did like the sequencing and executive production arrangement because when I go back and look at it it's like , well , he wanted to start it off smooth , uh , with his rap shit and then smooth it out with his R&B shit towards the end .

So the R&B shit is towards the end , more so the rap stuff is good , like the Vincent Schoolboy , roddy Ricch , yg , like no , like he got all his hitters to come out . I did think production wise , some of it sounded kind of dated , and that's the thing about everybody like and not like us .

Like that , I'm like like , I'm like yo , those sounds are so 2018 , so 2015 , but if you like it , I love it . But this album went together really , really well . The way that he put it together was the most impressive thing to me and the artists that he put together for the vibes that he was feeling like when the Vincent Schoolboy record was coming on .

I was like . I was like . I was like this is straight Dove Shack Cali barbecue in the summertime ass vibes , you know what I'm saying . And mustard comes from that era and provides that I'm with you . The Ella May record is dope . The Charlie Wilson record is dope .

My takeaway from the album is actually something that we talked about with Young Thug and Young Thug's Trial . When we were talking about the process of the system , I realized that part of the reason why we're getting so many young thug verses is to keep the money flowing in , because of how much they're trying to dilapidate his resources and his finances .

They're trying to take everything from him . And when I heard thug today , like when I was listening to the mustard for the second time I was like this is why artists need to have shit and tuck . Yeah .

Yeah , because really , thug is doing all this stuff , because think about this Like he was on Metro's album and we were like I'm tired of getting a Thug verse . Then you start thinking about it .

Part of the reason let's think about it business-wise Because of how they have seized and freezed Well , to keep everything alive , to keep people employed , to stay in the black and not in the red , he has to give these features .

And what the hip-hop community is actually doing is getting behind thugs by putting him on these albums so he can get some streams and get some money .

And so I realized , when I heard the Mustard album and Thug was on there , that the hip-hop community is actually helping Thug right now , and I think it's a beautiful thing and they're helping the way they're supposed to be helping . Ain't nobody running around with free Thug t-shirts ?

See , we have understood the nature of the threat and that's why I'm bringing this up and I love it . Nobody's running around with free thug t-shirts . They like let's get this nigga on every project possible so we can get his streams up , so we can financially keep him and his team and everybody alive while he goes through this .

This is why you hearing so many thug records because they are literally trying to strip him of everything that he has like , whether he's guilty or he's innocent . He's made most of his money off of rap and made it legitimately , and this government is trying to take it away from him via this trial .

They're trying to make sure that everything that he's built is taken away , and our hip-hop community is actually responding in a beautiful manner and making sure that he makes all of these albums to make all of these streams , because here's the thing about it Ain't nothing bigger than a rapper that's in jail waiting for bail , right , and so these songs tend to be

some of the higher stream songs on the albums . That's more money for Thug and Thug's camp .

Speaker 1

Absolutely .

Speaker 2

And so I'm not into right or wrong anymore because , quite frankly , I'm in Atlanta , yeah , but I know the way that this system is designed . I'm tired of coming on here and talking about systemic and institutional racism . This is a part of it as well , because you're supposed to be granted a fair trial , part of fair means .

Just because you're rich and you're famous , do not dilapidate said person's legitimate resources and income . If you got questions about gang shit , go find gang money . Don't take his legitimate and legal earnings , and that's part of what the process does , and I know that it's real because they did the shit to OJ and these white people liked OJ .

So , if they'll do the shit to OJ , that's why the OJ shit is so important . Rest in peace to him too . It's because , oh no , if they'll do the shit to OJ , that's why the OJ shit is so important . Rest in peace to him too .

It's because , oh no , if they'll do that to OJ , there's nothing that they won't do to you , because they actually fucked with OJ , because OJ fucked with them . Now , what type of treatment you think Thug's really receiving 30 , 29 , 31 years after OJ ? What do you really think going on ?

When I seen Thug on the album , I seen a hip-hop community that was making sure that Thug and Thug and his people had , because until you prove him guilty , you really have no business taking away these avenues of resources for him . Yeah , you have a guilty verdict , or do you still have a pending trial ?

Because if you have a pending trial , well then , this is what we need to do and this is why you're recording in bulk .

Speaker 1

It's good that they're looking out for them , but we still got a long way to go with Thugger . A long way to go with Thugger , and they're going to drag this thing out , deplete every resource that he has until it's done . That's how it works . It's unfortunate .

Speaker 2

Process . They call it processing you . They're going to process you . They're in the process . I don't care what anybody says , people have to understand . I don't care what anybody says , people have to understand An institution when the institution is built , every institution that is built is built to make sure the people who built the institution survive first .

That's why institutional and systemic racism here is so serious . Absolutely Well , an institution was designed to make sure that , no matter what A white man succeeds . It's not built for anybody else .

It's a system built for white people , white men specifically for white people , white men specifically old white people , specifically Old white men built it , which is why you're seeing , which is why , like what an 81-year-old just dropped out and a 78-year-old is still running .

It's because the people who designed this institutional racism hundreds of years ago , they foreseen this and their thought is well , the push come to shove , let it be my people running the institution . That's what makes the racism institutions . The people who designed it designed it for a reason .

You can't look at them like , oh , that's old and that's how it used to be . It's like no , they knew that the day was going . They knew that Sleepy Joe and Insano Trump , like . They knew that these days were coming , and so they prepared to make sure that their institution made sure that guys like that still got in , not even the younger white men .

When I mean it's institutional , the institution is against young white men too . That's part of the reason why Obama and Kennedy getting elected so young . There's an ageism on it too . It's like no , no , no , give me my old white-ass values . You know what I'm saying . Kennedy becoming president at 35 is a big deal . Obama becoming president at 42 , 43 ?

It's a big deal . Those are rarities , because the institutional racism of the system really isn't even designed for you to reach that level until you're 50 , and that's as a white man . Mm-hmm . And so don't tell me that they're not like . I just want to see like . I just want to see the legit proof .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

If he's guilty , he's guilty If he's guilty . He's guilty , Like you , niggas should have found out by now . You're wasting taxpayers' dollars at this point . If you're in Fulton County , you're paying for this trial , the DA not paying for the trial .

Speaker 1

Nah , y'all paying for that down in Georgia .

Speaker 2

Fulton County's paying for the trial . Fulton County paying for the trial , which means if you live in Buckhead , brookhaven , piedmont , midtown , all that shit to say Atlanta , you're paying for him to sit and then not have answers , when this is supposed to be the biggest gang in the world . It's been how long now y'all don't have answers ?

Ranking Wu-Tang Clan Albums

Mm-hmm , and here's the reality of the matter . Y'all so worried about trying to dilapidate his resources and put him away for life . It's like , oh , y'all don't even want to just give a nigga 10 years . You know what I'm saying . Y'all don't want to give him 10 so he can get out in three and a half . You know what I'm saying ?

yeah that's where we at it's unfortunate .

Speaker 1

It's unfortunate , but where do you rank the album ? Where do you rate it ? How do you rate this album ?

Speaker 2

I want to give it a three and a half . I'm just not certain if these songs gonna stay well enough , so it's like I'm gonna give it a .

Speaker 1

I give it a three as well . I don't want to go too far over that , just because I feel like they're just a solid album , just solid . It ain't making no sense . No , it's nothing I can say . There's an anthem on here . There's not a lot of replay on here .

Maybe go back to it every now and then , but nothing that I would say I'll be playing for a whole week straight or going back .

Speaker 2

So when we're talking about the Eminem album , it's like no Eminem's album is better than both of these albums .

Speaker 1

Yeah , yeah , no hate on that , no hate at all . And there's nothing wrong with that .

Speaker 2

There's nothing wrong with it Both of these albums . The production is the production by itself outweighs that album . Well , that's why I bought up Summertime and the LBC by the Dove Shack . It's like , well , great vibe , but not the best produced record . Yeah , but the vibe is there . The vibe is there Absolutely .

Yeah , there's some moments on this album the ending of the album , the Pray For Me , like , no , that shit's dope . Yeah , it is , is all of that ? It's dope out . Yeah , but if we really gonna like hold ourselves like true to this culture and true to these standards , it's like , yeah , that's a three out of five . Yeah , yeah , absolutely .

I've been having to remind myself of what the standard is . It's like think about what we was talking about earlier Ghost , or like a 96 , 97 , jay . But it's like let's just go to 95 , 96 , ray . 95 , 96 , ray is on Return to the 36 Chambers . Liquid Swords , only Built for Cuban Links . Iron man the Infamous Hell on Earth .

He's on six of the 50 best rap albums of all time . Competing at a high level . Competing at a high level , it's like the level . It's funny .

House of flying daggers came on after I got done listening to the rock him album yeah yeah , that was the next thing in the queue and I'm thinking like that was the next thing in the queue and I'm thinking like man , house of Flying Daggers is like leaps beyond everything on the Rock M album , not even close that's 2009 it leaps and bounds ahead production wise

, sonically and theoretically . And that's 2009 , 2024 . That's just one record off the purple tape , too , which is even as good as the Purple Tape Matter of fact . Hold on . How about this ? Where's the Purple Tape 2 , all-time in the Wu discography ?

Speaker 1

It's up there , bro , is it ?

Speaker 2

top 10 ? It'd be top 10 for me , you got to pause and you have to think about it . Enter . You think Wu-Tang Forever is better .

Speaker 1

I think Wu-Tang Forever is better .

Speaker 2

Iron man and Supreme are better right .

Speaker 1

Iron man and Supreme are better .

Speaker 2

Only Built for Cuban Link is better . That's five Only .

Speaker 1

Built for Cuban Link is better . Liquid Source is better Six . Would you put Return to the 36 over that ? Return to the 36 over that , return to the 36 is pretty good .

Speaker 2

I think how about this ? I like the Purple Tape 2 more , but I think that's the style of music that I like to listen to . But here's the thing about Return to the 36 . It's got Brooklyn Zoo and Shimmy , shimmy , ya and Baby , come On and Raw High they are better than what's on . Brooklyn Zoo is one of the best rap songs I ever heard yeah .

Brooklyn Zoo is up there . Brooklyn Zoo is up there with Bring the Pain and Incarcerated Scarfaces for best Wu-Tang solo performance on the mic , absolutely . So I would probably put Return slightly ahead because the top of Return is better , even though I think Purple Tape 2 is better from beginning to end .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that's 7 .

Speaker 2

Do you like the W ? Not like that . I like the W ? Not like that . I like the W , not like that . I think the W is a four .

Speaker 1

I can live with a four for W , but coming after Wu-Tang Forever and after Supreme Clientele , expectations , man , the W came the same year that Supreme Clientele came out . I know it wasn't the same . It wasn't the same . It wasn't the same . It was a whole different sound . Everything was different . Too many egos , too many , too many .

Speaker 2

Careful , careful , click , click hollow bones .

Speaker 1

Yeah , yeah , let my niggas live .

Speaker 2

Yeah , no , there's some joints on there .

Speaker 1

I didn't like Lilo single . I didn't like Gravel Pit , hated Gravel Pit . I didn't like it .

Speaker 2

I hated the beat . Meth and Ghost are killing Gravel Pit . It did , it did . Holocaust from the land of the lost . Behold the pale horse .

Speaker 1

of course , Follow me , you ain't gotta .

Speaker 2

Be the Best Thing Since Stars and Fart . Wallabies . Yeah , that is killer on there .

Speaker 1

Beat was bad . I didn't like the beat . Beat was bad .

Speaker 2

I think the W is when we realized RZA , production-wise , wasn't going to be like the RZA of it .

Speaker 1

No , because he was going a different route . By that time he was going digital .

Speaker 2

He made too many . He made too many great beats like nobody . Nobody made that many great beats in that consecutive . There was no consecutively , it's the best selection of beats , like in a run like his . His four-year run , yeah , is very shack . Like how about that ? Yeah , very shack like it's no , no 38 and 14 .

It's like no he didn't really go get 38 and 14 in the finals . It's like , yes , he did .

Speaker 1

Right , right , no one's touching him , Even when he ventured outside of the hoop for that one or two times .

Speaker 2

His four-year run holds up to Dre and Prem's whole catalog . The 93 to 97 run holds up to Dre and Prem's whole catalog , so it's the best run ever . It's the best run a producer's ever seen . The quality of beats is astounding .

Speaker 1

Absolutely , absolutely . And that's why , again , that's why the W for me just didn't land for me , because I'm like , I wanted that RZA , I wanted that RZA . Because he was on the digital stuff at that time .

Speaker 2

And in real time . Bobby Digital had some shit on it .

Speaker 1

In real time . I was rocking Bobby Digital . That was one of the first .

Speaker 2

NYT everything domestic violence , Holocaust , Kids from the Black Widow .

Speaker 1

My Lovin' is Dizzy .

Speaker 2

My Lovin' is Dizzy was the shit .

Speaker 1

I used to listen to that . That Lovin' is Di , my Lovin' is Digi was the shit . I used to listen to it .

Speaker 3

Yeah , that Lovin' is Digi was crazy . I was listening to that show . I love it with Digi .

Speaker 1

Greyhound bus over and over .

Speaker 2

Yo , I used to get on the Greyhound bus listening to my Lovin' is Digi when I used to go from Greensboro to Atlanta .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I was crazy on that , bobby .

Speaker 2

Digi . He had some joints on there , everything with Method man . Method man crushed that .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I tell you what that Bobby Digital album was better than on TKAL 2 . Yes , it's about the same month , I think , or month apart . Yes , bobby Digital was better than TKAL 2 . Better than TKAL 2 . Judgment Day , but it's not better than TKAL . It's not better than TKAL . No , no , no .

Speaker 2

But it's been on T2 Judgment Day . So when people look back , t'kal is still a top 10 Wu-Tang solo album . Yep , yeah , it's got With the Blood Clot Biscuits . Release the Death , bring the Pain .

Speaker 1

Method .

Speaker 2

Man Remix Like yeah .

Speaker 1

I think the thing to Cal is so 93 , 94 . It sounds gritty , gritty , gritty , gritty , gritty .

Speaker 2

That's why he had now he didn't have next .

Speaker 1

Yes , you got to think about it . Listen to Cal sonically and you go two years removed . And now you're listening , no hell , a year removed and you're listening to the Omnifit Cuban , lynx , takao 94 .

Speaker 2

Some of that is RZA , because those beats on purple tape are like the beats on the purple tape , and Liquid Swords are destroying the beats on Takao and Return to the 36 Chambers .

Speaker 1

It's destroying them beat-wise .

Speaker 2

Yeah that's what I'm saying . Like shadowboxing is five steps ahead of everything on Dirt and Mess album .

Speaker 1

Cool , we're talking about a two-year span . Think about this you got T'Kal .

Speaker 2

That's what .

Speaker 1

I mean about .

Speaker 2

RZA progressing , though , because think about the beats that he lost in the flood that's what I'm saying .

Speaker 1

You got T'Kal Return , Liquid Swords and all the Biffa Cubilates , I think .

Speaker 2

Meth and Deck were the people who were hurt by the flood and because Ray and Ghost and GZA were in the middle , they actually were the benefactor of it , because they got RZA that had a point to prove , because the beats had been lost .

Speaker 1

Beats- were lost . Yeah , they were rapping , like I mean they went crazy , Everything just .

Speaker 2

Think about this . Guillotine is supposed to be on Method Man's album , not on Only Built for Cuban Links . It changes things . Yeah , that boom , boom , boom , boom , boom . That's on to Cal , yeah because you couldn't .

Speaker 1

Well , they played in the background at one point , right .

Speaker 2

So what if Meth and Deck and GZA and Inspector get in , like I mean , and Ray get busy on there , like you know what I'm saying , but does it ?

Speaker 1

fit that Does it fit to Cal .

Speaker 2

I don't know . That's the beautiful thing about the purple tape Everything fits the purple tape , everything fits the purple tape .

Speaker 1

Even everything fits on Liquid Source .

Speaker 2

The sequencing how about this ? Those two projects ? It's the best sequencing that an executive producer has done on back projects in the history of rap .

Speaker 1

It needs to be studied .

Speaker 2

It does .

Speaker 1

No , no , no .

Speaker 2

It's like . It's like literally like needs to be broken down . It's like how he sequenced the purple tape and liquid swords , because it's not just that the records are there , he has the records . It's about the placement of the records , like the run how about this ?

The run on liquid swords from fourth chamber Shadowboxing to Killer Hills 10304 to Investigative Reports to Swordsman ? That's as flawless of a rap victory as you will find on a rap album in terms of sequencing . In terms of sequencing a rap album , it's crazy . Doggy Style has a sequence point like that . Thegy Style has a sequence point like that .

The Chronic has a sequence point like that . It's one of those types it's like no , no , this is one of the best sequences of rap songs in rap history . The whole second half of the Purple Tape is like that . From the point that Ice Water comes on to Woo Gambino comes off that stretch , that's the best stretch of rap sequencing in rap history .

I want people to understand that In rap history , in terms of the executive production of the album , when Ice Water comes on at track 10 on the purple tape to Wu Gambino's in track 16 , oh no , that's the best sequencing of six rap songs in the history of rap .

Analyzing Mic Performances on 'Liquid Swords

Speaker 1

I'll take this step further . You go back and look at Liquid Swords . From the intro to Liquid Swords to the skit to Duel of the Iron Mike , that set the tone . Think about that .

Speaker 2

The first three records , Liquid Swords , Duel of the Iron Mike Living in the World Today Boom , boom , boom , boom , boom . It set the tone . Flawless sequencing . Those songs are playing in the order Boom , boom , boom , boom , boom . It set the tone , but flawless sequencing the sequencing .

Those songs are playing in the order that they're supposed to play in to maximize the ability of the song to resonate with the listener .

Speaker 1

That's what executive production is about Absolutely , and GZA is putting on a mic performance out of this world .

Speaker 2

For the ages , for the ages .

Speaker 1

Made a chat like this murderous Ron type from Genia Y you want to know what . Swear a veteran , spark the letterman slow the DC's moon for the editor to come on bro .

Speaker 2

A liquid soluble that made up the chemistry , a gaseous element that burnt down your ministries . Herbal vapors , biblical papers , smoking every square yard as , plus fucking screw face photo accessions . Yeah , he's how artist . Plus fucking screw face photo sessions . How about this In terms of mic performance ?

When I go to mic performance , it's like I go to my big three , which is Let the Rhythm Hit . It was written in Life After Death , but my next two picks might be Liquid Swords and Reasonable Doubt . My next two picks might be Liquid Swords and Reasonable Doubt . As far as mic performance by one person , I'm talking about mic performance by one .

My next two picks might be Liquid Swords and Reasonable Death . You got as far as mic performance by one person . I'm talking about mic performance by one person , because every bar Jizzle spit on Liquid Swords is a Rhyme of the Year candidate .

Speaker 1

Absolutely Every rhyme , every rhyme , every rhyme .

Speaker 2

He is very much . How about this ? This is 95 , so it was written in life after death Haven't been made yet , Just as my performance on Liquid Swords . The only thing that you can't compare it to lyrically is Let the Rhythm Hit Him by Rakim , in my opinion .

Speaker 1

Because he went crazy . He went crazy there . I don't think we've heard anyone at that time rapping like that I be swinging swords strictly based on keyboards .

Speaker 2

I'm balanced like elephants and ants on seesaws . I saw raps that attack like the Japs and Pearl Harmers MCs be out like bank robbers to flee in the scene to be a soul survivor . Dj the getaway driver , try to dip buddy dive . I socialize on vocal vibes On track stabbed up with razor sharp knives . Criminal subliminal is blinded .

Rappers find it hard to define it . But narrow is the gate for fat tapes . Oh no , he's just going on there . He is special . It is a rock M-Naz level . Lyrical mic performance . We don't talk about it enough Only because First , on shadowboxing I slayed MCs back in the rec room era . My style broke motherfucking backs like hipherteric .

Most rap niggas came loud but unheard . Once they fold out , round them off to the nearest third , that means I'm gonna cut you in half .

Speaker 1

We need to do a show on that one man . We need to do something on it because Lickin' Swords is not discussed enough in hip-hop . He's special , he's special , he's special . But that shows you , how special his length was .

Speaker 2

Killer Hills 103.04 is probably the most underrated rap story of all time . That never gets talked about . It is . It is . Killer Hills 103.04 is my shit . I mean that goes from Life of a Drug Dealer or Words of a Genius . But they updated Killer Hills 103.04 . The beat oh no .

In a lot of ways I like Killer Hills 103.04 more than Shadow Boxing and Fourth Chamber . That's how dope Killer Hills is Restaurants on the takeout and you're doing a background Maintain the power .

Speaker 1

I feel the deal's gone sour .

Speaker 2

Nigga Missed the wedding Late a fucking half hour With this man who bought land from Tony Starks while he was contracting ships on the launch of City Parks . He's a loan shark . Got it sewn up like singers . Cause all this talk for this kid after me for the heist in the Burlington Coat Factory ? Fuck it Yeah's bananas on there . He's going crazy on there .

Speaker 1

He's going crazy on there , I think that's an assassin in the background singing what that ?

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah . That's what I mean about the put together . It's like , if you actually want to go a step back further , this is what I mean . Liquid Swords plays like Cold World is track five . Labels is track six . Fourth Chamber is track seven . Shadowboxman is track eight . Killer Hills 10304 is track nine . Investigative Report is track 10 . Swordsman is track 11 .

As far as a mic performance for five straight songs , you're going to be hard-pressed to find that in rap history . It's like fuck Wu-Tang In rap history . You're going to struggle to find mic performances that are better than the five records that I just named . Those records happen in order on one album One album One album . Yeah . Liquid Swords is incredible .

People understand why I feel like Liquid Swords is a top 20 rap album . People be like yo you tripping . It's like no , I'm not .

Speaker 1

No .

Speaker 2

Because there aren't five better mic performances and , as far as beat-wise , there's not ten better beat performances . He was flawless . Living in the world today . That's a mixtape . Specialboxing for us . That's mixtape . That's like everybody want to rap To those beats . Right , right . It don't matter what region you in , they don't know .

Speaker 1

And you threw a video out there With it as well . Come on , Come on . Everybody did not waste a bar . Killer Priest Did not waste a bar . Shadowboxing Priest did not waste a bar .

Speaker 2

Shadow Boxing is the record that made me start writing other people's rhymes down to figure out stylistically how rap was formed . That was the record when I heard that , because it was so different than any rap record I had ever heard before . It was Definitely , definitely was . This is 95 . This is the fall winner of 95 .

There wasn't a record like Shadow boxing floating around before shadow boxing . No , no , and it has no comparative analysis .

Speaker 1

it's a one-on-one even even from just the production of it , you had what I mean like the bar style that he's looping the rappers into .

Speaker 2

I breaks it down to the bone gristle . Yeah , he can scud missile heat sinking johnny . No , rappers wasn't rapping like that , because there the bar style that he's looping the rappers into . I breaks it down to the bone gristle . Yeah , he can scud missile heat . Sinking Johnny .

No , rappers weren't rapping like that because there were beats and canvases like that for them to rap over it like that Right .

Speaker 1

Right , but I think Melton trying to catch the tone of the beat itself . That's why he was rapping like that , because he was trying that that beat was unorthodox at that time it was very noisy .

Speaker 2

No , that's what I mean . There's nothing like shadow boxing before shadow boxing Ice water off . The purple tape is the closest thing . Yeah , I love ice water . Ice water is my shit . I woke up to ice water when my bro was on here and he did the show and it was like it was the Illmatic every day .

It was actually like he was probably hearing Illmatic when he was getting up , that's when he was getting ready . When I was getting ready , I was listening to the purple tape .

Speaker 1

Oh , yeah , yeah , purple tape was my joy .

Speaker 2

I was listening little disc player in . I heard a little disc spin Go to track 10 . Ice Water was my shit , but even Ice Water's rooted in some fundamental hip-hop rap shit the way . Shadowboxing isn't , though . Shadowboxing is something stylistically in terms of the approach of the beatmaker and the artist .

Speaker 1

Right Bar for bar . Yeah , it was .

Speaker 2

Yeah , because , think about it , nobody had talked that much on record , really , except for Biggie , within one bar . I breaks it down to the bone gristle . Paul yeah , ill-speaking , scud , missile heat , sinking Pause . Yeah . Johnny Blazin' Pause Nightmares . Like Wes Craven , pause . Niggas coming Pause . My third eye see it coming Pause .

Nobody had rapped like that before . Billy on rap , no . So it's like it's one of the sicker side lists . Like Method Man's flow for me is rooted like in that song more than all the other songs , because he was the first one that I actually heard Paul's on record . Yeah , like Paul's for real .

Like Snoop would do shit , but Snoop would be flipping , snoop would be no . Meph was like I breaks it down to the bone gristle . Paul's ill speaking , scud , missile , heat , sinking Paul's . Johnny blazing nightmares , crazy remember that Meph was .

He was emulating Nas Cadence at that time too , though , I feel like what's crazy about is I feel like it's more of a KRS style , where KRS-One would sometimes stop like you know what I'm saying , or do like an ad-lib . So it was more he was more in a 12-bar rhyme style than a 16-bar rhyme style .

Speaker 1

Because the beat forced him up there . That beat forced him to rhyme that way , even GZA , when he came through Right .

Speaker 2

He had to alter . He had to alter the style , Exactly . So , as far as like this is what I'm saying like not all championship victories are the same . Oh no , the championship victory of Meph and GZA pulling this off stylistically on the beat that was given to it . The beat is all-time great . It's one of the best beats ever it is .

It's not the type of beat you heard somebody rap to before it happened .

Speaker 1

Exactly Because there's so much going on . You got the guitar riff , it's going and everything is going on . So , as a rapper , you're trying to find okay , where do I land this , do I land that ? Yeah ?

Speaker 2

but you can actually hear . Method is actually more nimble on the on his on the last verse because he's gotten more familiar with the beat . His mind might start clicking and the strategy is mastered the plot picking this beat that . Whoo shit , I don't give a cotton picking . You see him starting to speed up .

He's speeding up on the second verse because it took the first verse to master the flow of the style .

Speaker 1

And also hearing Jesus' verse . This is what I mean about the pause .

Speaker 2

It's the best pause in rap history . You know my C's when he does that . Nobody's ever done that on a beat before . Exactly nobody's done that .

On the course 1995 , nobody's like literally went on record and been like six bars in and been like you know my fees , right , right , he was like he literally like stretched the bar out another half a bar just with one word no , this is stuff that fundamentally wasn't taking pace because Rakim had gotten everybody to the point where it was boom , boom , boom , boom

, boom , boom , boom , boom , boom , boom , boom , boom , boom , boom , boom , boom , boom . So when he's going his mind might start to click in and the strategy is mastered the plot picking this be that , woo shit , I don't give a cotton picking . Like he had actually taken what rock m did , right , he had freaked the like him and big and pock .

Like they changed the like actual flow parameters , right , like they did records like this mm-hmm super important .

Speaker 1

It's crazy , that's . That's another show we got to come up with .

Speaker 2

Man , that's another one yeah , we can have a bar seminar , just like on the flow , like meth , meth and big and pop . More than anybody else changed the way that dudes flow oh yeah , oh yeah because it's like when you listen to tretch it's like no tretches .

Speaker 1

You can tell tretches like race , don't rock him , yeah , yeah yeah , because he started becoming more melodic and more even Snoop , because Snoop also brought that .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , snoop .

Speaker 1

Yeah , snoop brought that in as well .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I think Snoop was more of like a sound than a vibe , like it wasn't as lyrically inclined . Mm-hmm . You know what I mean . But yeah , he's definitely responsible for some of that too .

Speaker 1

Oh yeah . Sir oh bro Ready to get up out of here , yeah , sunday .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , no , no , no , I'm tired of talking to you .

Speaker 1

Yeah , man , I'm done with you . Man , I got these , I got to do some chores and I got to go to the grocery store . Chores is wild .

Speaker 2

I think I'm going to go find a food truck and eat some tacos from Belize or some shit . Of course , sunday's looking like it rained yesterday .

Speaker 1

It's been raining down here crazy , let me get off and on up here where I'm at Off and on . We appreciate the chat . Thank you all for the super chat . Thank you all for the love and the pull up . Like subscribe . Share , like subscribe . Share , like subscribe .

Speaker 2

AG Like subscribe . Share , like subscribe . I think AG and West Virginia chopping down trees for Christmas already Already because it's about that time .

Speaker 1

It's about to get into August . This is when they start chopping down trees in West Virginia Family business .

Speaker 2

Lumberjack Family business . Yo , every time he brings up LL Cool J with the wheelchair , I'm just like yo fam .

Speaker 1

No one believes him , man . No one believes him , no one believes his story .

Speaker 2

Please stop . Please stop , ag , if you're somewhere and you're taking a break from wearing Snoop Dogg flannel in 93 and chomping down lumber in West Virginia on this human Sunday afternoon . First of all , I want you to understand . Me and Sean are sipping most of the time cutting down trees . Please stop telling lies about the wheelchair .

Speaker 1

I don't even have trees in my yard .

Speaker 2

The wheelchair in West Virginia is wild . That was crazy . It sounds like a wrestling match . The wheelchair in West Virginia it sounds like a wrestling match . The LL wouldn't be . Nobody comes there . Aj Michael Vick went to Blacksburg to play football . You know , me and Mike Vick are the same age so I almost actually went to Georgia Tech .

Speaker 1

I mean not Georgia Tech , Virginia Tech , Virginia Tech , V Tech . Yeah , V Tech .

Speaker 2

I almost went there . I got accepted . I would have been there the same year of Michael Vick's freshman year , where he led them to the national championship against Florida State .

Speaker 1

She was here for him too , Good grief . He was killing that year .

AG's Experience in Blacksburg

Speaker 2

Nobody wants to go to Blacksburg , Virginia , like all year , except for AG .

Speaker 1

No , I've been there a couple years ago . Never want to go back . I'm good you went there , I wasn't . It was terrible . I had to go there for an investigation . It was crazy , it was crazy , it was crazy .

Speaker 2

Yeah , colonizers are a little different in the original colony state .

Speaker 1

Totally different . I was there for that too . I was there for that . It's a weird time .

Speaker 2

All right , it's been Monday by Hip Hop Talks . Like and subscribe to the page . Indeed , indeed . Big three back in tow on Thursday .

Speaker 1

Indeed .

Speaker 2

AG .

Speaker 1

AG . So appreciate y'all .

Speaker 2

I'd like to thank you for not swallowing any honey packs at the end of this episode .

Speaker 1

Yeah , go get it , You'll be out man .

Speaker 2

You act like it was a Friday night , not on Sundays .

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