¶ Generation's Embrace of Hustler Mentality
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We still have the team . Are you watching the Yankees-Cleveland game ?
Did you see what just happened ?
Yeah , we got it . Cleveland was up 3-1 , and then Aaron Judge and then Soto hit back-to-back home runs .
This might be that year . This might be that year .
No , no , no , they're going to lose to the Dodgers . I'll just tell Just the fact that the Mets and the Dodgers and the Yankees are all playing and my Braves are at home really makes me sick to my stomach . All those teams are horrible . They just really pay . Those are the top three payrolls in baseball , so they're pretty much just paying for their wins .
It's not real talent . Hope they all lose . Actually , I hope whoever makes it to the World Series they get trapped at the airport together and they have to cancel the World Series and nobody gets a ring . I hate all those teams . All those teams suck .
I'm not going to wish any personal injury upon any of them , but if personal injury were to happen , it wouldn't bother me at all if they were to break a forearm , crack a fibula sternum fibula sternum .
That's wild , that is nasty .
Fibula tibia . That is nasty . And you're saying that with that Hawks shirt on . That's crazy . That makes it worse . It's like a losing kind of conversation right there to have A man of Hawks , a man of Braves that's just nasty , Charlotte .
Hold on . The Braves have won a World Series more recently than the Yankees have . Let's not be so quick to say that .
It's about what you've done for me lately , though . What you've done for me lately .
Y'all haven't done anything lately .
You're beating the Cleveland Guardians . We're doing it right now . We're doing it right now . We're doing it right now . It's the current . We don't talk about the past . It's the current . The team still sucks .
Makes me sick , and you're wearing that tacky-ass hat on top of it . Pick a side .
Queens of the money .
It's called the side . No , I guess we're going to kick it off . We're going to start off with the viral vibes .
I wanted to talk about the fact that , you know , big Meat came home yesterday and a lot of people have been speaking out about famous people speaking out in a positive manner about him coming on , and so I wanted the viral vibes to actually talk about how we embrace the hustler in this culture .
I think , because we come from a place of being disenfranchised , we often look at the hustler as somebody who kind of like beats the system . You know , I think there are so many institutional and systemic things that are placed against us that when we see somebody work outside of the framework of the system , we do champion that behavior .
Do you think it's a positive thing that we champion the behavior and archetype of the hustler , not just like in hip-hop culture , but in Black culture , latino culture in general ?
I think so . It's a mirror image of everything that's around that area . You think about Meech . Think about how many people made money off of Meech's name . Think about just the influence of his hustle mentality good , bad or indifferent . Who all made money off of that ? Ross got a big song , you know . Think I'm big Meech , larry Hoover . You know what I mean .
It's just pretty much like . To me it's a mirror of what's happening from a hustler mentality to the industry mentality . They cross paths so much , and not just the industry , but also in real life . All of those things touch each other . It's just depending on how far you go down that rabbit hole with it . I think it's all one big ball .
To me it is , especially for someone like me , someone who has a lot of credibility in the streets . A lot of people revered him . A lot of people the streets , a lot of people revered him . A lot of people loved him . A lot of people didn't like him , but nonetheless it all was intertwined regardless . Same thing , same story .
I think the glorifying of that more so comes from what you have attained from it , more so than the lifestyle itself . You know , because we always aspire to you know , be more , have more , do more , and you know , and that's the , that's the lifestyle that you know brings that . You know .
So it's not necessarily how you get there , but most of our people just want to get it in the quickest way possible .
Do you think culturally that has changed ? Because I think a lot of the people that are speaking out about our generation , speaking positively about him coming home , is coming from a younger generation . So is the younger generation sharing and embracing that hustler's mentality and motif like our generation did ? Are things different for them ?
I think everybody in the younger generation is a hustler . You know , if it's not necessarily street hustle , it's a different kind of hustle . You know I was having that conversation with my 22 year old cousin today .
You know , to be broke in 2024 , if you're under the age of 30 , like , don't make no sense , because there's so many avenues that you can get money . You know what I mean . We're sitting on here doing a monetized podcast . You know what I'm saying , and nobody's an expert here . We just giving opinions and it's monetized . But you know , everything is a hustle .
You know what I mean . So , um , I can see why the younger generation would champion any type of hustle mentality because , you know , they got more of a ambition to go out and get it than I think . Even more so our generation , which is kind of pegged .
The opposite of that , because we were taught fundamental ways to go out and get it and we worked hard to get to where we , you know , have gotten . But these young kids , they don't have conventional wisdom . You know what I mean . They don't go with what was ingrained in them by their parents . They say , well , I'm going to get it this way .
You know what I mean . And they find in these pockets and these avenues to get money and they're hustling and a lot of them are well off to do for it without no college education or what have you . So I can see why they would champion that Facts .
Facts . That's a good point , great point our generation came up different . You had like , really three buckets to go to military , college , find a trade yep , you weren't taught to do . You know to be a hustler , you know . I mean , you were taught to . Hey , if you're not going into college , you need to go to military .
If you're not going into college , you need to go to the military . If you're going to the military , you need to find your trade . Go work at the plant or what have you . We were never taught to be a hustler because all of those industries they are hustling industries . College is a hustle . Take your money , take your money .
You're not guaranteed to get a job that can actually capture what you paid into college . You know what I mean a job that can actually capture what you paid into college . You know what I mean . Military's a hustle . For the most part , you got to get what you put in . If you don't put nothing in , you're not going to get nothing out of it .
My first four years I almost blew it . I didn't really do much , didn't take advantage of college , got nothing . I just played ball and went to the clubs first four years and it was gone . Like that . I was like 21 , 22 after my first four years , still had no experience , didn't really do my job that much .
So when I re-up , that's when I took it serious I'm like , okay , I got to get it right . Got to get it right , did you ?
just say all you did was go to the clubs and play ball . Now we know that you can't dance and we know that you can't play no ball , so what you're saying is that you did nothing .
You did nothing . Look , I made the basketball team , I made the team , I made the team early .
The bar was low , but the word I was looking for a second ago when I was talking was entrepreneurship . Like this era has that , and then more so than what we had . You know what I mean . They are more more so than what we had . You know what I mean .
They are more entrepreneurial when they're , like you know , trying to find it is what they're going to do it . To me that gives them a better hustle than what we had . We're better with the grind , but I think they're better with the hustle .
As far as , like betting on themselves and being entrepreneurs and , you know , taking these uncharted avenues , you can sit in front of a laptop screen and talk and it'd be lucrative , you'd be a millionaire . Look at Kaisa Vinton . You know what I'm saying . It's different . 2024 is different .
I'm daily trying to figure out how to do it . Yeah , it's different . 2024 is different . No , I understand . I'm daily trying to figure out how to do it .
Yeah , it's crazy .
So I can just tell everybody I ain't coming in no more , everybody .
It might be too late for us . We cook , though . We all 40 plus . This is daytime no y'all would cook .
I'm not good . Kids still like me . Kids still fuck with me , I'm not good .
Literally I got a doctor in front of my name , so I'm good . I'm just saying in general I'm good .
I ain't going to quit yeah .
I'm good . Yeah , alright , fellas , we got somewhere to be . In early November we have the Southern Soul music event . Yes , sir Shelby , north Carolina . We're going gonna be there november 8th , 9th and 10th ag .
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What do we think about glow realist debut album ?
you want to take it first ?
I can go . I listened to it three times three times so far . Uh , I listened to it on tuesday when I flew out , listened to it when I was going through New Orleans Wednesday , just trying to get a different feel from it .
¶ Album Review
It's a ratchet album . I ain't going to sit here and be like yo , she's home , she's here . I'm not going to say that , but I respect what she did . The album is okay . It's not something I would probably put in my rotation . To be honest with you , it's a very wretched album . Got some joints on there . Got some good beats on there .
She talking crazy on there , which is good . Not my thing , not my speed , but it was okay . It was okay .
I'm not going to sit here and be like yo . It was amazing .
It was solid . It's not my , it's not my thing , I'm not going to front .
I checked it out once and all the way through and I was pleasantly surprised . I mean , it is a Ratchet album but I was surprised by it . It was a lot of things that I did like about the album . I think the intro is really tough . I like that . Some of the features well , kirk Franklin will hop on anything .
I realized that kirk just pop up if you need , if you need a reference . You know saying if you go have a uh , faith-driven god , give a track , man , kirk , kirk will hop on anything . So but , um , I was glad to see uh and hear lotto and make the stallionion on the album to show some female unity . So that was cool .
Before I get to my biggest takeaway from the album , the track that stood out the most to me is I Ain't Going , and I'll give her the most props for that song because I don't think that that's a song that has ever been done before by a female mc , and what I mean by that is it's a song that's anti-domestic violence , but it's like an anthem that you can
get behind . You know I'm saying as a woman . You know what I mean if a man's talking about like putting hands on you or threatening you this and that like this say what love is blind by eve I thought about that . Love is blind is , you know , was an anthem , but this is one of those I wish a nigga would type records . You know what I'm saying .
It's more , it's a . It's a different sentiment and it's a different , you know , emotion behind it , if you will . So it has been done before , but from this , like you know , with this tone and this aggressiveness behind it , like I was like yo , that's kind of dope . You know what I'm saying Letting the guys know that they ain't the one to play with .
So that's a record you can get behind . You know what I'm saying . I think it was more of a victim song versus this is more of a like , okay , go there if you want . You know I'm saying something happened to you . We'll be smoking on your pack , which is down on me , since you like them so much . Like she was going crazy on the record , I'm just saying .
But anyway , my biggest takeaway it was it was the . The album was straight , but with strong albums out there by female mcs like Dochi and Rhapsody this is not going to , you know , be hovering around any of those albums as far as , like , you know , the year rankings or whatever . It was a solid effort and it was dope to see her come out with a project .
But you know I still got the Rhapsody and Rotation a little bit , still listening to Dochi . But I was surprised by this . But it was a cool effort .
Sean , you don't know what you're talking about this album's dope . I think it's a very impressive debut .
I didn't say it was whack , I just said it's not for me . I appreciate it .
I mean , of course it's not for any of us . It's not for me . I appreciate it . I mean , of course it's not for any of us . We're old . It's not for us . I try to have some perspective about the fact that we're old , especially Sean , those basketball knees that he got from all those years of hooping .
My goodness man , Really man , Swag boy .
No , but the Glow album isn't for us but for the people that it's for . And as far as progress is concerned , I was very impressed by this project .
This is a young woman that just two years ago was pretty much , you know , in one-hit wonder territory yeah , she was in one hit wonder territory this time , two years ago and the way that she has recovered and turned into a bonafide hit maker in this business and now it's shown the ability to put out a quality project . Now is the , is the ?
Is the project ratchet ? Yes , but you know , for me the project is just Memphis . It's like Memphis girls are really ratchet and really churchy and for me the project is just Memphis .
It's like Memphis girls are really ratchet and really churchy and that's what this album is . Yeah , it does have that , that balance .
Yeah what I would expect , what I expect a black woman from .
Memphis to make . To be quite frank , it was like two more churchy joints after the curtain joint .
I was like , oh , we still going you can tell she was raised in the church but if you've been , but if you've been to Memphis , you know the church is a big part of the framework of the culture of Memphis and so is like the soul , and so is blues , and so is sampling , and so there are a lot of things .
It's like she's a Memphis girl and so it's like I like how she represents Memphis , like vocally , artistically , musically , with making this album she's a little bit more diverse , topic wise , than I think we all thought . I was surprised by that too yeah , just the fact that she had the capability to do an Eve type of love is blind type of record .
To do a record with Kurt Franklin . This is actually showing some diversity . Her flow and her cadence doesn't uh very much , but I found myself impressed with the substance of this album while still keeping . This is actually showing some diversity .
Her flow and her cadence doesn't vary much , but I found myself impressed with the substance of this album while still keeping it very , very Memphis and I enjoyed the project . Yeah .
How would you , how would you rank it with the the Dolce album ?
Not even close . What are we talking about ? I enjoyed . I enjoyed the .
Dolce album more the . What are you talking about ? I enjoyed . I enjoyed the doji album more . The doji album is better than me .
Yeah , yeah , the doji album of the year contender to me yeah , it's levels to it like this is a solid project , but you know , there's a clear , clear divide but for somebody who two years ago was a one hit wonder to make a project like this within two years time .
That is a lot of growth and development I'm not , I'm not gonna , I'm not gonna put that on her coop because I think that's more of a product of the climate .
We're in a single driven climate where , you know , the labels are more so concerned with the singles and lucys than crafting a full album , especially for a lot of these females and sees like , look's like , look at , you know , cardi , when she first came into the game , you know .
So I think that it's more of a climate thing than an indictment on her as an artist .
So no , what I'm saying is is is that because of the climate she made a song ? Because now , in this climate , you're taught to make it song after song after song until something pops . After something pops , you have to have the ability to keep on making songs and eventually make mixtapes and eventually make albums .
And as far as her progression and capitalization of that , that's what I'm saying , like no , this is impressive by her . It's like she's been making hit records for the past year and a half consistently and now she's made a pretty solid project . She made a solid mixtape before . These are all good things for her in her career .
And on the other side of things , on the really really dark side of things , kanye West has released a new single . Beauty and the Beast AG . Go ahead , just whatever . You said , what ?
Give him the break . Ag , go ahead , just whatever you said , what ? Yeah , this is the joint that's supposed to be on his upcoming Bully album , which you know . If you know Kanye , we know it might never see the light of day , but the Beauty and the Beast joint that I heard , I wasn't really impressed by it . Sonically it was pretty good .
I'm not going to say it was trash , but just Kanye , fundamentally who he is as an artist , though that guy's long gone . We talk about the old Kanye . I mean , he hasn't been the this well , we know he hasn't been the same in a long while .
But as far as the quality control in this music , it just hasn't been there for his last few , um , handful of projects . You'll see glimpses of it . You'll see glimpses of it like that'll come out , you know , on a couple songs , on the projects here and there , but he's not sustaining it .
Like if you look at Kanye's catalog , the like front end and then the back end , um , I mean , I've never seen such a divide as far as , like , the quality of music . It's like if you play golf . I don't know if either one of y'all play golf , but that's like you know , just going crazy on the front nine and then the back nine just shit in the bed .
Man . It's crazy . You know so , but I wasn't really impressed with it . But I'm more intrigued to see if the album ever comes out . More so than anything .
Yeah , that's a good take , sean thoughts . Victory has defeated Kanye . Kanye , that's a bar . It's a bar . Where'd you get it from ? You ain't coming with that by yourself . Chill out , man . Victory has defeated .
You ain't coming with that by yourself , fam . I know you didn't .
Sean been watching the public speaking things trying trying to get away .
I don't question the gift anymore . I don't question it , I just go along with it . I don't question the gift anymore . No victory has defeated Kanye .
¶ Kanye's Creative Struggles and Isolation
Kanye has won so much in hip-hop , created a whole different wave , a whole different sound . We praised him for it . He took hip-hop to a whole different way , to a whole different sound . We praised him for it .
He took hip hop to a whole different way , to a whole different level , experimenting , figuring it out , and we got behind it and it created a whole different sound . It created one of the biggest artists of hip hop , which is Drake . That Kanye style gave birth to Drake right .
So when you got someone like that , who has been hitting so many home runs , at the gate , he became bigger than the guys that actually signed him . He became bigger than Rockefeller itself . And when you win it at that high clip and everything that you were doing , people calling you a genius you have a documentary called Genius .
You're doing all these great things , all these accolades , and no one is in that room telling you man , that was messed up , that wasn't good . You're getting everybody saying , oh , you got another one , you got another one . You're doing stadium shows , stadium arenas . You're overseas . You're selling shoes , ugly shoes , ugly clothes . People are buying them up .
You're winning at everything Very ugly , and it's all because you were creative . It's all because you had a creative mind .
And now he's searching for the next thing and he's been missing a lot because maybe time has passed him , maybe he's a man out of time , because the hip-hop landscape has changed so much to the point where the sound has changed almost every six months , seem like you know .
They say circumstances change every 90 days the sound of hip hop has been changing for mad years , three to four times a year . So kanye is not creating a new wave anymore . He's not creating that wave anymore . He's not at the forefront of that wave because everything he tried it has failed . Kanye has never failed up until the recent years .
This new catalog of things that he's going through the Donda stuff it sounded good in the beginning . Then it kind of fizzled out and I love . Donda , but it fizzled out . It didn't have that lasting impression that the Kanye moniker is used to Right . So that is my take on it . Man , the song is OK . It doesn't stick with you though .
Can I ask you something to your point , sean , like , does it , being a true artist , lend itself to missing a lot , though ? Because you know the true artists are going to take the most risk and in that is going to be a lot of misses , you know . So I mean , do you think that's what this is , or something different ? Because he's always experimenting ?
You know he's not staying in the same bag .
No , but he's . He's won by experimenting before Right , he created different ways's won by experimenting before Right . He created different ways with just that recipe . But now it's a loose streak I'm taking some . L's right now .
Gotcha it's over . All these albums suck . So do these songs . All these albums suck . These albums suck . These songs suck . It's over . I tried to tell you earlier this year that it was over , and I said it was over . After listening to Vulture's one , I was like it's over . You want to know who he is now ?
He's a flashy rapper and I'm not talking about Slick Rick flashy . I'm talking flashy as in all he does now is flash . Some of that genius and brilliance that you talk about . It just flashes Like on Carnival . It's like oh no , that's him , that's him . That's the genius right there . But that's the only moment like that .
You might get those moments one or two times now . You used to get those moments one or two times now . You used to get those moments damn near every song . You used to get those moments every album . You're not going to get them on an album .
First of all , he hasn't made a great album that had him as the headliner on it in an extremely long time , an extremely long time . Yep , my beautiful , dark , twisted fantasy , anybody . I don't want to hear that . Life of Pablo , shit . I don't want to hear that . That is not classic . That's not classic by modern day classic standards .
That's definitely not classic by his standards . All his early stuff is blowing Pablo out the water .
Oh , easily . But I got a question for you all .
His best stuff , for the most part , has a cast of characters and he's coming off two collab albums with Todd Dollison and I'm hearing this new project is supposed to be just him by itself and what do you think that says , like , if he doesn't have that outside support , because graduation would be the only thing that I could like look to that doesn't have like
a whole cast of characters behind it ? You know it has what like a couple of features most deaf Wayne , um , you know people singing background vocals on all the lights and you know he put that you know album for the most part together dolo , so , um , but for the most part he's had a cast of assistant characters so you're saying he's alone right now ?
no , no . I'm just hearing that this project is just going to be him , a solo joint , like just him doing all the production , him , all the songs . I don't know if there's going to be any features , but what I'm reading on Twitter is like it's just going to be only him , not a collaborative type project , Just Kanye and the cocaine by himself .
huh no .
I'm afraid that's not what I said .
Oh my God , please , please , somebody help the goddamn engineer and send some more people in there to help .
¶ Hip-Hop Soundtrack Classics Discussion
Next topic .
But cool . Let me ask you this then because we talk about creativity from an artist and you think about J Mick and Magna Carta ?
Why . I don't know where you're going with this one .
Sean , I'm just saying Think about this , that Magna Carta doesn't come unless you're influenced by Kanye .
Oh , I see what you . To me , I think , Blueprint 3 is more Kanye-influenced , but he did executive produce that album . But to me Blueprint 3 sounds like Jay making a Kanye album .
It was good , though we got a couple super chats to get to , but I just want to be clear that all three of us are clear that it's over , it's over . It might be it's over .
It's over . Right , he's too talented for me to say it's over .
Even if it was , it was a hell of a run . You can't name 10 people that's had a run like Kanye . You can't name 5 people that's had a run like Kanye .
That's fair . It's been over for a minute . Okay , on to these super chats . 007 , 199 super chat Queens , get the money . Coop , tell your owners to open up the checkbook . They only open up the checkbook for the strippers and the prostitutes at the Cheetah , our man with the $4.99 Super Chat .
Peace RIP to Kai , one of the greatest criminally underrated rappers of all time . What happened with that ? Another lost one .
I don't think that was released . I haven't seen anything on how he passed .
No information yet . Michael Williams with the $5 Super Chat . Who has the better voice ? Raekwon or Prodigy ? Also , who do you have ranked higher on your all-time list ?
Ray got the voice .
I got Ray higher on both accounts actually , Because Prodigy's voice didn't hold up . You got to think about the duration , Like Ray still sounds like Ray today .
Oh yeah , Ray still sounds like Ray today .
Yeah , if I'm saying that the duration of it P's voice after the early 2000s , like took a nosedive , but if I'm talking about pristine versions of themselves , I prefer P's voice , but lyrically , you know , ray is better and I'll bring ray higher all the time you know so I think both of their voices to me are the voice of new york rappers .
To me more than any other rappers , those two rap voices , they represent new york rap to me , like when I think of new york rap , those are the first two voices that come to mind .
Not necessarily rap , but I was watching a Large Professor video the other day and I was like Large Pro might be the most New York-sounding dude out there , Large Pro is New York , through and through , through and through .
Our man with the $199 Super Chat . Again Thanks our man . Love the Genius dropped top 10 caliber album . The Love the Genius album is dope . So is the Currency Speaking of which just real quick . Currency Heard , the new Currency . Heard the new Love . That's not . I heard the Currency not the Love Need to check them both out . Currency is fire , no doubt .
Currency is dope man the Clever Captions joint with Smoke Dizza . Yeah yeah , currency came through again . Currency is one of those guys . You know who he is to me , in a lot of ways he's a poor man's Rick Ross . He consistently picks dope beats for you to ride to . It's just the same style of beat , but it's a lifestyle that he's selling .
You know what I'm saying ? You're buying into a whole lifestyle when you're buying into currency .
I get with that . I just anytime Rick Ross is brought up around , Sean , it's comedy to me .
Man , I can't stand Ross man .
He's wearing that tacky hat . He can't say anything about anybody .
Strike two , strike two , you're second base .
Is that all for the chat .
Yeah , that's all for the chat . That was the last one .
Yeah , that's all for the chats right now , so I don't know which one of you all posed this topic . I was meaning to ask you before the show . So we're representing the anniversary of Nas' halftime from the Zebrahead soundtrack , so I think it brought forth the question what are some of the best soundtrack contributions by hip-hop artists ?
Yeah , first of all , shout out to Nod the 32nd . That's his first single ever as a solo artist , so that's the 32nd anniversary of Halftime . So shout out to Nod on that . Me personally , my favorite soundtrack record might be my favorite soundtrack . If it's ever a five mic soundtrack , for me it's above the rim and my favorite song was that I'm in songs .
Yeah .
I was getting to that . So my favorite song from a soundtrack ever happens to be pain , which is my second favorite Tupac song of all time behind so many tears . So you know , pain is , hands down , my favorite song ever to be from a motion picture soundtrack . And you know these are relics . You know I'm saying like something I'm missing today's .
You know they're still around , but they're not as hefty as they was back in our day because , like you said , cool classic material was coming from those soundtracks , if not the whole soundtrack itself . It produced classic songs that stood the test of time . So Pain would be my pick .
That's a good pick . That's a damn good pick . I can't counter that Winter Wars for me Don't be a menace Menace . Yeah , Another classic moment .
It's a jump start for the winner .
It's a jump start for the winner , man .
That was the winner in personal . As far as soundtrack songs are concerned , Winter Wars is a terrible pick . Whoa no .
Nah , bro , that Kappa verse is the top five woo verse of all time bro . I don't think that's the top five woo verse of all time bro .
I don't think that's the top five woo verse of all time . Deep Cover , deep Cover comes to mind .
Deep Cover is definitely a classic soundtrack record .
How High ?
comes to mind how High is classic . It's not been to Winter Wars .
How High is better than Winter Wars , oh man .
I prefer Winter Wars , but I can see why how High is better than Winter Wars ? Oh man , I prefer Winter Wars , but I could see how high is the more classic sanctioned song .
How high is ? Way better than Winter Wars . That's classic meth and red .
I prefer Winter Wars , though , but I see what Coop's saying .
How high is more low ? How high is high up there ? How high is high up there ?
Off the show soundtrack .
Ben Zor and B-Ma Ben Zor and B how high is high up there Off the show soundtrack .
I got burned in here , benz or .
B-Mart .
The biggest soundtrack song from a rap perspective would be Lose Yourself , would it not ? Is there any song bigger than that ?
From a rap perspective , I don't like it though .
I love that song we're talking about best . But yeah , if I was picking one , I would probably have to pick Deep Cover . Though Deep Cover would be the pick For me , I'm with you . Ag Above the Rim is the best soundtrack of all time . It's just too many classic rap songs on there Regulates on there , afropuff's on there , pain's on there , there you go .
I usually prefer Pour Out a Little Liquor , there you go . I usually prefer Pour Out a Little Liquor to Payne , but both of them are top ten Tupac songs to me and they're on the same soundtrack .
But do you agree that's a five-mic soundtrack , because I think that soundtrack is five mics .
It's flawless . There's not a bad record on there . I think it's like 14 records and 10 of the records on there are classic .
Yep , oh man , this would be my second pick . You know what I'm saying . I know we ain't going top five or nothing , but I thought about it late . Know the Ledge might be my favorite rock hip song off the Juice soundtrack . I love Know the Ledge . That's a close second to Pain for me . For me , yeah , that's one of them .
I might have Nodalich second after Deep Cover .
That's great . What about Natural Born Killers ? On Murder Was the Case I love Natural Born Killers .
That might be my favorite death row song .
Classic Dre and Q . Oh , and my personal most underrated jay song is a soundtrack song . Off streets is watching , I think , only a customer is jay's most underrated song I don't know if it's his most underrated song , but it's one of them .
Love that record my favorite ice cube bars on Killers . I'm down with Dre . Ac is down with OJ . They took my whole world up . That was my favorite .
That was a time .
It's a glorious time . All those songs are better than Winter Wars . Okay , game time .
No , not all of them . Winter Wars is classic Winter .
Wars is classic Hold on .
Y'all really have .
Winter Wars up high . Where do y'all have Winter Wars in the catalog ? Like we're picking their posse cuts . Is Winter Wars top ten for y'all ?
Yes , kappa's verse alone . What are we talking ?
about and the hook . You know what I'm saying ? That's the shit raw coming at your door . I like that . I started to think about it loud and clear . We say it back and forth Heard , that was before I told you before Prepare to fight bikes plus the cold wood Like yo . That's . It's crazy . You got . You gotta recognize the song .
Let's just keep it a secret it's an automatic pop tandem . You gotta get us off and then , not for nothing , the high school high joint , the woo wear joint .
I love that record . Oh no , winter wars is both . I don't like woo wear at all . I like winter wars . I don't like woo wear at all .
I think RZA went crazy on that . Woo wear beat . I love that beat man .
I'll switch it out .
I'll go with Bird in the Hand by Ice Cube of the Boys in the Hood Boys in the Hood , oh , that is on Boys in the .
Hood Yep , that's in the top ten when Ferris came up , that shit scared the hell out of me . I ain't gonna lie , I was scared of the West Coast . When Ferris pulled up in that joint with Jerry Corral , I was like yo , I ain't never going to the West Coast . I was like that's what was scaring me . I was like 11 years old .
That's what was scaring me that's a classic .
I'll give you another dope boot joint and Cooper . If you ain't rock with this one , diesel off the soul and the whole soundtrack .
I like Diesel more than Winter Wars .
I can't go that far . I can't go that far . But Dirty was talking crazy on that record and he was right .
And bar for bar . I know Kappa has the best verse but as far as rhymes , Diesel's better lyrically in the end in my opinion .
I just love Diesel because of how old dirty he's talking about . He's talking about the government . Dude was really paranoid .
How paranoid is he . Full Metal Jacket's another Wu joint yeah , full Metal Jacket was tough . Wu did a lot of soundtrack stuff too .
Where do y'all put the best of me , part 2 , as far as J features go off the backstage soundtrack . How high does that ring ? Carolina Blue Kicks . That's gotta be your joint Coop . Carolina Blue Kicks .
I was never a big fan of the remix like that . I actually like the original version better .
Coop is wildin' Like . This is crazy .
No , I don't love that .
The original was hard , though I ain't gonna lie but Jay killed that man . That's where the whole beef stemmed from . Jay was coming through blazing everything that Jada had already blazed .
Yeah , Best of Me Remix and Fiesta Remix all in one nice spring and summer , yeah yeah , best of Me remix and Fiesta remix All in one nice little spring and summer .
Yeah , play a hay bough .
Nutty Professor got dope joints . Bad Boys 2 . Yeah , that was another dope soundtrack . Yo , my favorite Nori song might be Sometimes I Belly , I love Sometimes .
Belly's probably second to me as far as soundtracks , after Above the Rim .
It's close to five mics . I give it a solid four , four and a half .
Crew , love Crew . Love is a classic , I'm playing with the Locks and Made Men .
She killed everybody . On that , let's keep it real . Jada did the In-N-Out flow , but she killed everybody .
I .
Wanna on that . Let's keep it real . Jada did the in-and-out flow , but she killed everybody . I want to live , even DMX , with Sean Paul . I ain't never liked Sean Paul , but here comes the boom .
Here comes the boom .
That's one of the ones . That's the first time I've heard Seagull .
Yes , the Monopoly scheme .
Yeah , you know what New Yorkers don't like this , but Seagull's better than Kiss in a vacuum . Kiss is greater all time , but Seagull's better than Kiss . We're not doing that Seagull's better than Kiss .
He is . I'm going to just say this .
He is , he's better than .
Kiss . Kiss was chefing it up First .
Of all , he beat Kiss when Kiss was in his prime . See , First of all , he beat Kiss when Kiss was in his prime . And see what Siegel has over Kiss . Siegel can do what Scarface and DMX and Tupac do , but he can also do what Nas and Black Thought and Jay do , and Kiss can't do both of those things like a prime Siegel can .
Siegel is nice but that's out of his time . Look at the New Yorker with corny New York Yankees Mets hat just shaking his head like it's blasphemous . No .
No , if ever a battle was a tie , that battle was a tie . It was not a tie .
He got his lunch ate , put your hands up . He out-wrapped him on his own beat . Stop that .
Nah , it was a tie , bro . It was not a time . Did you see the footage ? Yo , did you see the footage of Kinsaw and Seagull's food truck shuffling it up ? That was beautiful to see . That was really beautiful to see , man .
I know they're cool now , but when it was going on he was getting smoked like a country ham .
But thank you , Gibby . No , he wasn't man . He was not . That battle was a time . Man , If a dude can give you the business , over a disco beat . That's saying something . Kiss gave him the business over a disco beat .
Come on , man . Shout out to Philly . Man , my father's from Philly , Shout out to Philly man .
He out-rapped him over his own beat and literally was rapping until the reel was going off . No , he got his food
¶ Debating Kiss vs. Thug Motivation
. Aches . Seagull in a Vacuum is better than Kiss . Just accept the facts . Oh my goodness . Becoming's better than anything . Kiss made album was too .
No , it's not . It's not better than Kiss's game , goodbye . No , it's not , it's not it's not .
We'll have to station that one . I've already promised to give Lo the business With Thug Motivation . One on one with Kiss the Game , goodbye , we'll go with Becoming 2 .
I'll knock out two albums with that who's picking Thug Motivation one on one Lo and what are you picking ?
Kiss the Game , goodbye . What are you picking ? Kiss the game , goodbye . What are you smoking ? Fade that album , fade it fade what sub motivation . I'm trying to tell you , I'm telling you like y'all used to go in track for track order , y'all used to go in track for track order . We mix it up . It's not gonna be pretty with the motivation man .
It don't matter if we mix it up , it's not going to be pretty with Thug .
Motivation . It don't matter if you mix it so tight fry it , fricassee it , it don't matter what the fuck you do .
I expect you to be biased because you ATL Coop . I expect you to say that you think Kiss the Game combined .
Thug Motivation 101 are on the same level .
No , here's the thing I think Thug Motivation is the bar is set lower for that album because JZ's nowhere on Jadakiss' talent level , so the bar is set lower for him . And then when he made a dope album , everybody said it was a classic , when it was really a regional classic . So the bar was set lower .
Where Jadakiss' bar was up at JZ and Nas' level at 2001 , as far as what people were expecting from him , if we're keeping it above , no , it's not , he's getting smoked on show . Discipline on that album Gets smoked right at the beginning of the album but the expectations of the album .
He got smoked a lot that year he got smoked on show discipline .
Nas Black , nas Black .
Smoked by Seagal .
But the expectations that Kiss had in 2001 were of Jay-Z and Nas' level .
We're going to call him Country Ham Kiss , for how often he got smoked that year .
We ain't doing that .
He got smoked on . Show Discipline . So he's not rapping at Nas and Jay's level , Because if he was rapping at Nas and Jay's level , he would have rapped at Nas' level when he had him on the record at the beginning of the album .
Hey , man ain't too many people walking here at Rapport Estes level . This is ridiculous . He didn't lose . The battle was a tie Wait .
I forgot . I got a New Yorker and I got a hardcore KISS fan . Y'all are some busters , seagull's better .
Yo , sean , do you think that KISS won or it was a tie ? Because me saying it's a tie is being objective , kiss didn't win shit versus Seagull , I see what's a tie ?
It was a tie .
Tie . What he tied his shoes after he ran away Wasn't no tie , it was a head to head and .
Styles P came and shut the whole thing down . I didn't hear a peep . After Styles P got on the mic I didn't hear a peep .
He did . That's ridiculous A lot of people don't like Kiss the Game Goodbye . That's crazy .
In real time . I thought If 101 is a regional classic , so is Kiss the Game Goodbye .
I'm good with that .
Yeah , I can live with that too . It's just that 101 was a movement . I'm not going to affirm 101 was a movement 101's the bigger movement , though .
Thank you , it was a movement . I'm not going to front 101 was a movement .
It was a bigger movement , though . Thank you , it was a movement .
But was the bar lower for Jeezy , yes or no ?
If we're talking about as far as an MC is concerned , yes , Anything and everything .
The bar was way lower . And then when he repeated that it's like oh , he got a classic .
Hold on . Kiss's buzz was different . Kiss did have . Kiss's buzz leading into his solo album is like top 10 buzz all time .
That's what I'm saying . He was expected to beat J and I's level and so it was Prodigy on HNIC , but they fell short . I'm not saying they didn't , but the level that their bar was at .
Their bar was here , Jeezy's bar was way down here somewhere . Kiss's buzz was better than Prodigy's buzz .
I feel like it was Because he had more star power behind him .
Okay , so Jeezy's buzz wasn't like that because of the bias that exists . That's what I'm saying . If Jeezy's coming out of New York , oh no , it's like that .
I don't know if Jeezy could have came out of New York if we'd been real .
That's not really fair to say . Have you been listening to rappers coming out of New York the last 15 , 20 years ?
Well , I mean recently , but if we're talking about 05 , you know that's yeah .
Yeah , 05 . Who coming out of New York at 05 ? That's wowing you on the mic .
Who was a new artist ?
Yes , 05 . Who's new In 05 , where you're like , oh my God , they just when they spit on the mic who spit on the mic . You at that time .
Yeah , I can't think of anybody new .
I mean the South came out of New York around that time Wasn't that around . Mims like this is why I'm hot . Wasn't that like around that time ? Was this that ?
time . Yeah , this was that time it was very problematic . Well , put it this way , We'll get to TI in a minute , but TI's expectations was far beyond that of a Jeezy , because he had more respect for his pen than Jeezy did . Granted , jeezy was a newcomer , but TI was held to a way higher standard than what Jeezy was , and Jeezy exceeded those expectations .
So I think that's why it's held high .
I think those expectations for Tip are higher because he's always been a better MC and songmaker . For the most part he's been both of those things . Jeezy doesn't necessarily do either one of those things better than Tip . With Jadakiss it's like , oh no , I know Jadakiss is a superior rapper to Jeezy , but does he make a better song all the time ?
It's like I don't know about that .
No , me being objective as a big fan of KISS , I'll say that's a no .
Let's go to the only thing that can be more ridiculous than that hat that Sean's wearing , and that's the BET Hip Hop Awards .
Yo .
Thomas , did you get a chance to watch the awards ?
show . I had a chance , but purposely didn't .
Okay , yeah , me too . I had a chance , but purposely didn't . Okay , yeah , me too . I had a chance , but purposely didn't Go watch it on this phone .
I actually sat in my living room and watched it .
¶ Critique of BET Awards Current State
Yeah , there were some highlights . There were some high moments , like E-40 getting a chance to perform A lot of his contributions . He did some of his more legendary guest appearances and songs . I thought that was pretty cool . Um , it was the hand the kendrick every award that you could festival .
So that made me sick to my stomach , almost as sick as watching the mets and the yankees and the dodgers play not quite that level because kendrick hasn't been around as long as the Yankees , mets and Dodgers .
But other than that , it really made me think and I thought about this further , sean , when I got your text , when you were saying people on Twitter were tearing down the award show . It's like , well , we tear down the damn award show every year , and so it appears that the thing to do is to tear down the award show .
And it made me think , well , that might actually be the thing to talk about , is that ? Why do we care so much every year ? Still , if we know we're getting this subpar product ? Why do we care enough every year to bash this inferior product the way that we do ? Isn't there something wrong with us , don't we need help ?
No Short answer no , not me . The reason being is because we're bashing it because this is supposed to represent us .
This is black entertainment television , right , and it's a subpar product , you know , and it has been for quite some time now , and I hate to criticize anything and not offer any solutions , because I think that nobody should do that , but I really don't have any solutions on how to make it better , other than , you know , saying on some destroy and rebuild stuff ,
just like blow the whole thing up . Because I was thinking blow the whole thing up . Because I was thinking like when do we ever tap into bet as a network here in present day ? So it's like , why am I going to check into an award show on a network that I don't even check for ? You know ? You know what I'm saying .
So it's like I think that you know when , when the award show , the bt awards , was at its peak , when they was doing the cyphers and all that , it still was trying to compete with the awards with more notoriety . You know , on the other side , like the VMAs , and you know the Grammys and stuff like that , but they always fell short .
But now it's just like lackluster and I think they're losing money , because evidently you know what I'm saying when you do watch it . I don't think a whole lot of money is put into them , and if people are not tapping in or bashing it , then I think they're losing money on these awards . So I say , why even do them anymore at this point ?
Because , to your point , coop , we act like we don't care about them , which we don't . You know VMAs , I mean that had a little bit of prestige at one point in time . But the only award show that anybody ever really cares about is the grammys . But that's the one that's cool to say that we don't care about .
But as far as the bt awards man , just blow the whole thing up . Already it's a wrap . You say kai is a wrap . I say bt awards is wrapped . Blow it up , it's done , it's been a wrap .
I say BET Awards is a wrap , blow it up , it's done . It's been a wrap . I don't know how Coop was able to sit down and watch through it . I sat in a hotel last night , lights off and TV off , and didn't watch it because I know it was going to be trash .
Bet Awards is a reflection of today's hip-hop , unfortunately , and they amplify it to make it a caricature of today's hip-hop , unfortunately . And they amplify it to make it a caricature of today's hip-hop Because everything that you see from the aesthetics , the venue , the awards , everything surrounded by BET , is a caricature of today's era of hip-hop .
And I don't say that to shit on today's hip-hop because I'm not saying I'm not the old guy to be on the lawn . And I don't say that the shit on today's hip-hop because I'm not saying I'm not the old guy to be on the lawn and saying get off my lawn , whatever . However you say , I'm saying that from a hip-hop position .
Hip-hop never really got that much love when it came to any award show , so we shouldn't be surprised that it's not being represented properly , as is . You think about the paidton Full Foundation . It didn't get a lot of airplay , it didn't get a lot of you know . You know a lot of screenplay from anybody .
Bet didn't pick it up , mtv didn't pick it up , so on and so forth . When we had the Source Awards , right , we didn't treat it , we didn't treat it right , we lost it . We had other awards we didn't treat right and we lost it , no matter where the venue was , we did some things and they took it away from us . The BET does not .
Bet never represented since the 80s , since they had what was their name , donnie with the green eyes , and they had those videos , donnie Simpson .
Green High Bandit .
Green , high Bandit , right , and that's when it was more of not just hip hop , but it was R&B , it was contemporary everything , black music , it wasn't just hip hop . Video , soul , video , soul it still didn't represent hip hop . So now you're talking about those who bought out BET .
You go and get Fat Joe , because Fat Joe to them is the nomenclature of a hip-hop guy . Right , you go get him to say , okay , fat Joe is hosting , so all of y'all should come right and Fat Joe is going to get the back . He's not going to turn on the back and you can even tell from what I've read and what I've seen clips of .
He even looked uneasy , even hosting the VAT award .
Can I ask you all something ? I don't mean to cut you short or sidebar you , but this was one of my takeaways from this .
Is Fat Joe playing himself and hurting his legacy guys In his second career because some of his hosting media into venture seems like it's taking away from his credibility of him as a hip hop artist and somebody who's been a big purveyor and impactor of this culture .
¶ Fat Joe's Evolution and Critique
Just when it gets really chatty , just when it gets really chatty , you know .
Yeah , he just did it . That's interesting because he just did an interview with Shannon Sharp and he was I don't know if you saw that . I saw like a clip of it because he was talking about the reason why he signed with Roc Nation was because he was getting deals for a million dollars . He was getting million dollar deals . He signed with Roc Nation .
They were able to get 3.5 deals for a million dollars . He was getting a million dollar deals . He signed with Roc Nation . They were able to get $3.5 million for a deal . So Joe is all about the bag , as he should be . Everyone should be about getting their money . Well , of course .
All money isn't good money . Okay , so he's about the bag , because he blew his chance at a lot of big bags , though Absolutely he had Pitbull and Rick Ross and Coward and all those guys first and he blew that Absolutely Could have signed him .
All of these things Could have signed him . Yeah , he didn't do any of that . So now he's looking at this as a chance lifetime and again , think about who's behind him . You got Roc Nation behind him saying , hey , joe , that's a good business move . It might be against what Joe might be for , because this is still Joe right and everybody has to evolve .
Maybe Joe has grown , maybe he's evolved . He's not Joey Crack or whatever . He's something different . Now he's talking different . He's looking different . He's looking different , taking Ozempic , all of those things . He said it in the interview . That's what he said . He said he took Ozempic . He's a different Joe .
He's not the Joe that we , the aggressive Joe that would shoot you and all these things that he was saying .
Yes , he is . He's on Saturday Night Special . It's very much Joey Crack . It's like step on your back till it cracks , Joey crack .
Yeah , but he's also sitting down with Shannon talking about , you know , diversifying funds and you know making 3.5 million instead of 1 million , because he's not a rock nation . So he's talking money talk . Now he's talking like .
I like that for him , but at what cost ? Is it costing him something ?
You're asking about the Jopra persona . Is that hurting who we think of him as as Joey Crack ? That's what you're asking .
Yeah , is Fat Joe , the media personality , hurting Joey Crack , the street dude and the rapper and the legendary hip-hop culture overseer that he's been , he's been-hop culture overseer that he's been he's been a great culture overseer for a long time .
I'd say that depends on how high you value Joe in the first place .
I value him pretty highly . Here's how I look at it . He's one of those transitional figures . He's on KRS-One's Return of the Boom Bap . That's how long Fat Joe's been around that's . Bronx digging in the crates . Showbiz , Buckwild , AG , Big L , Lord Finesse , he's part of that . Pun Remy , he , he's part of that . Pun Remy , he's a part of that .
Yeah , yeah , Connected . You know the Murder Inc run , no , like John's throwing them hits . Like he's been a part of a lot of like . You know he's been a part of this culture like in a major way , Like repping the East Coast . You know what I'm saying . Two , two different iterations of Terror Squad . Like you know , two to three .
He's made some dope projects like Jealous Ones , Envy and Don Cartagena .
Don Cartagena are dope ass projects yeah , I just said on the last show .
I think Don Cartagena is a five mic album like you know , I don't know if it's five , I think it's his best album four and a half , four and a half , four and a half .
I think it's four and a half .
I think it's four and a half .
Yeah , For me an album does have to be lyrically somewhere .
I ain't gonna hold you , bro . That and Capital Punishment came out around the same time and I was debating which was the better album .
I used to listen to Don Carter Gina more than I listen to Capital Punishment . I think I did too .
The production on Don Carter Gina was better .
Too many tracks , too many hits on . Capital Punishment .
Yeah , the beats are better on Don Carter Gina . I feel like he can't rap like Poon .
Right , it was a balance , though he made up for it he made up for it in production .
I guess , to answer your question , that's for the last piece of it .
I think I'll flip it back to like a personal thing , like as far as there are certain parts where you have to grow up right , not just joking , just talking about in general , at some point you got to grow up and part of that growing up and part of that evolution it's going to feel like there's some kind of a sellout base to that .
But I guess for Joe it really depends on how you categorize that , because if he's providing for his family , if he's getting the bag that he probably deserved , if he's getting the bag that he probably deserved , you know , and he's towing that line , I mean all power to him , much power and respect to him Straight up .
Now he hasn't come out and did the jig dance that Killer Mike did Like . If he would have did that , I'm like , oh okay , now we're going a little bit too far . Did you say the jig dance when he won the Grammy ? Man , he won the Grammy he got on stage and started doing like a little shuffle joint . He said he was shucking a job . Shucking a job man .
Really , that was crazy .
That was crazy .
He's from Atlanta .
Next topic . Man See , this is the point where we got to go to the next topic .
He's from Atlanta . Welcome to Atlanta , where we do the jig dance on stage after winning the Grammy . I'm a New York hat to my Atlanta Hawks shirt . We go on stage and do the jig dance like oh boy , we're talking about Fat Joe , sir .
We're talking about Fat Joe from Bronx , New York . That's who we're talking about .
He did do the jig dance , dancing on shoes , but I would say no , in fact , joe , I would say no , get your money . You know , we know who you are . Get your money .
AG , I'm kind of with you . I always believe you know . I think this is because I come from , like you know , a family that generationally is farmed . Sometimes we get the best crop . You have to burn a year's worth of crops to help , kind of like , make the land more fertile , to put , like , fresh crops down .
Bt just needs fresh crops , so they need to burn everything down and like start over . But what does that look like ? What does that start over look like ? Who's going to be in charge of that ? And just doing that , because here's what they're really trying to do .
They're hiring somebody like Fat Joe to appease us and then , artist-wise and lineup-wise , pleasing the kids and giving us some oldie but goodies like E-40 sprinkled in to try to keep us happy . Maybe they're trying to put , maybe they're trying to please too many people and they just need to pick a path and shut the fuck up and stick to it .
And we see how that way , because , remember , remember the hot 97 show that meth and red was built on , right ?
Well , maybe what I'm saying is , maybe them trying to do too much is why this show comes off as so discombobulated and bootleg .
And maybe if they just streamline their demographic , streamline their audience and streamline what they really wanted to do , you know , like , even if they have to separate the award show , there can be a hip-hop legends award show , and then there can be like the bt hip-hop awards you know what I ? There can be like the BET hip-hop awards .
You know what I'm saying , like for who's current ? You know what I'm saying , and that way , everybody gets theirs just due . But I do think that some things need to change .
They're probably not going to , though , because it's still , you know , trending and getting talked about every year , maybe not always in a positive light , but you know I've been saying this for years now , so I don't see too many changes coming to me before we get off the topic , though .
To that point , coop , what I was saying is you know , get rid of the award show . But I think you got to start at the uh , the network itself . Because , like I said , we're not checking for bt as a network , but if you're going to have an award show , you said what does that rebuild look like ? Right ? So peep this .
If , if you're going to try to like revamp the award show , then why not get back to the music as a network , like we grew up on ? You know the rap city in the basement . You know I'm saying all that stuff , but now bt doesn't even represent you know a whole lot of music .
So how are you going to have a music-driven award show when your station , your network , doesn't even represent the music that it used to represent ?
Because they can't . I don't know , ag , you want to know what they can't Paramount owns ET . I don't know . Black people are usually happy when you put Obama in charge of them . Put Obama in charge , see what happens . I don't know . That's the best I got . Put Obama in charge , see what happens . That's not a bad idea .
It's a horrible idea . What are you talking about ? What have ?
you got to lose , so it don't get worse if you put Obama in charge . Yeah , I think Obama , barack , you got to lose .
So it don't get worse if you put Obama in charge yeah , I think Obama , Barack and Michelle , they kill BETV . They'll be popping again . I don't know if they bring back Uncut , but it'll be popping though .
We get Stevie Wonder and Earth , wind , fire and Al Green videos again . They get replays and figures the basement . I say vote for Obama . Somebody black got to win something this year .
Oh boy .
Any final thoughts about the BET Awards before we slide to another Atlanta artist .
I think we good on BET Another legendary Atlanta artist . Legendary .
Atlanta artist TI has announced that he is officially retiring . He's going to be doing his final show , the Jingle Ball , down here in Atlanta . Of course , I believe it's what , december 11th , you said .
I think so yeah . December 11th . You said , I think so yeah .
Yeah , December 11th , it's my birthday , so let's have a talk about TI's legacy . Gentlemen , I want to let you guys go first . A because I'm the moderator . B because I'm inherently biased . He's the best rapper to ever come out of the city of Atlanta , so I wouldn't disagree with that .
That's like saying he's the tallest midget out of Atlanta .
Okay , so let's mute Sean's microphone AG . Let's talk about . Let's you and I , without Sean , talk about TI's legacy and where you have him placed all the time and some highlights and what you just think about his career overall amen and one word underrated .
I think that I'm a big ti fan as well as I'm a big game fan . As far as the rappers , but I think they're two artists that their personalities and , you know , their lack of being um having having likability is gets in the way of their legacies being ranked properly where they should be .
And TI's legacy as far as his discography , his feature catalog and just as a rapper you know saying like that's arguable that he's the best come out of Atlanta , I'll still say 3000 , even though he don't have a solo . But if you say TI , I'm not mad at it . His resume is impeccable and we don't talk about him enough in his placements .
He is definitely one of the . You know I don't have him top 10 , but I think he has a top 20 buy-in with his catalog and his , you know , and his features to boot .
¶ TI's Underrated Discography and Influence
And if you look at the run of just coming from trap music , in particular urban legend , then King , my personal favorite album , I think that's another four and a half close to five mic album . Then it was a little dip . After King you got TI and TIP , I don , and a half close to five mic album . Then it was a little dip after king .
You got ti and tip . I don't ti versus tip . I don't think that was a good one . But then to regroup and drop paper , trail that run right there , man , like if we put that run with any other artists , we're talking about it , you know , I'm saying for years to come and um , I just think it's grossly underrated .
And you know , I just want to give him a , give him his flowers . So if he's hanging it up after this , if he's putting his jerseys in the rafters , he's , you know , one of the best to do it . And that's just keeping it real .
No doubt I agree . I echo that . All kidding aside , I started I wasn't a big TI fan in the very , very beginning . I wasn't a big TI fan in the very , very beginning Because I would try to figure out why he's getting so much love from everybody . I couldn't understand . I'll be honest , I couldn't understand .
It didn't hit me until the King album , when I heard the King album and I started getting more close to it . I think I was stationed in Savannah , georgia around that time . I remember just the vibe down there for TI , one of my homeboys . He was from the MAC town , from Macon , georgia . He kept telling me about it . He said , man , you got to meet TI .
That was a military medal . It was a cool brother , real cool , laid back Cool brother . This was like in 2005 . 2005 . And I started like seeing how he was catching some momentum . And he was catching the momentum at the time when the South started catching momentum , when the South was about to take over . He was like at the forefront of that .
He was one of those and he was getting love from New York . Jay was giving him love . The other guy that's locked up right now was giving him love .
He's one of the catalysts . He's one of the reasons that the South was getting that kind of love .
He might be the catalyst because that was during the time where OutKast was kind of at their run because he picked up steam . After , you know , the whole Love Below thing and Speak About joint kind of like took on its course .
It's like TI took the torch from that and took it up another notch , you know , during the era when the South was starting to find its rhythm they're starting to find their own voice for that region . When King came out I said man , this guy might be out of here .
And then he had to battle with a little flip to a little flip out of here and then he came back on and , to your point , ag on the paper trail came out . I was like I'm so . Paper trail to me is my personal favorite album from ti and I always compared paper trail to the Carter III as to where it took him out of here .
Like I felt like Carter III was Wayne's universal joint where most people would say those who love Wayne , those from the South , will always say yo , man , carter II is the one . A lot of people tell me Carter II is the one one . Right , my home boy , he's from Alexandria , my shout out . He always say yo , carter two is the one .
I felt as being an outside looking in . I thought the carter three was the one that took him out of here . I felt like that's the one . I bought that album , like that's the first little man album I ever bought . And I wouldn't buy a paper trail for the same reason , because aesthetically it didn't sound like just a southern rap album .
It sounded like a more universal album with southern Southern hints to it , right , and New York hints to it so for me . Um , that's my take on TI . I felt that he had a media right type of uh ascension into hip-hop at the forefront of the South . But I also feel the same way . He went all the way up there .
I felt like on the back end or the tail end of his career that I wondered if he just left a lot of plays on the field , if you will . I wonder if he should have been bigger today than he is today if that makes sense day than he is today , if that makes sense .
I don't think there's been a rapper who has been hurt by legal troubles more than TI . If TI does not have the legal troubles that he has , he is sitting where Wayne sits now in my opinion .
The only thing that separates Wayne and TI ti in my mind is the legal troubles , because when it was happening it was happening for both of them and it was actually happening for ti faster than it was happening for wayne . He actually got to the party later than wayne , like much later , and actually rose up the ranks much faster and it wasn't accidental .
And so for me when I say he's the best rapper to ever come out of Atlanta , that's because I think that it's unfair to take either Andre 3000 or Big Boy and separate them as a solo artist and look at Tip's catalog respectfully and say that either one of those guys would have made something comparable as solo artists , because I don't think they would have .
In Big Boy's case he hasn't . His solo projects , like Big Boy's best four or five solo projects , is not touching Tip's best four or five solo projects . Andre doesn't have any solo projects .
I'm going to say that again for the people in the back that keep putting him at number one on your Southern list , your Atlanta list , your list in general , doesn't have an album to talk about . So that would make TI number one in my opinion . And so if he's the number one rapper to come out of Atlanta .
If we're just talking discourse about Southern MCs all time and I say this unequivocally the only people who I can viably put ahead of him as far as Southern MCs period all time is Scarface and Lil Wayne , and that's exactly where I have him .
Actually , he's the third best MC to ever come out of the South , in my opinion and I don't know how to give him higher praise and he should be number two , maybe number one on this list , not be it for the legal troubles .
His run of albums in terms of the quality of them versus TIP , I think being the low point was very Scarface-like Not as long as Scarface , but very Scarface-like how he always gave you a high-quality project that was a four to four and a half and sometimes a five . People often argue about what their favorite TI album is .
Some people down here swear by trap music . Mostly People outside of Atlanta say Paper Trail or King usually . But the fact that he made those three albums alone and you can make an argument that all three of those deserve some five mic consideration . Urban Legend's tough too , bro . Urban Legend might be my personal favorite one .
As far as who he is as an MC , his best mic performance might be Urban Legend , but he's got a lot of great mic performances . He's got a lot of great albums . How about this ? Because I believe he is top 20 all time . He's the most underrated of all the top 20 MCs . He is the one guy that is that high that nobody really talks about or acts like .
Is that high that nobody really talks about or acts like ? Is that high , like he's a better MC than the game and Rick Ross and Jeezy ?
He is more comparable . The game is a discussion . Yeah , you got what . The game is a discussion . I'll give you Rick Ross and Jeezy , but the game is the discussion .
Game can't do some of the things tip can do on the mic . Tip can do the things game does on the mic .
But game does have a comparable catalog , but just with less records .
So you give , you give TI Dr Dre to start off his career . It's a better way , better career than games .
That's hypotheticals , but what game has like even without him . Like you could take off the documentary off the table . You still got the doctor's advocate . Lax , you still got .
Game has had a better second half than tip yeah that's fair yeah , games had a better second half .
I'm not mad at you saying tips um discography is better .
I'm just saying it's a conversation versus yeah , I mean , if you wanted to say games , discography is better overall , I could give you that due to volume . But if we're talking like at its peak , I would take tip , because I'm going to factor in the help that game did have versus the help that tip didn't have .
Tip was the leader of his ship for his great albums . He put his great albums together , like himself , trap music , tip and JG they put trap music together . You know what I'm saying .
To your point from I'm Serious to Paper Trail is the sixth album run . But if I'm Serious and TI versus TIP are the low points , those are not real low points . You know they're low points in relation to the other four projects , but they're not low point . Those are still party albums . Those are solid albums .
Yeah , so yeah , I would tell you he's the third-ranked MC to come out of the South and that would easily slide him into the top 20 all time . Because only Scarface and Wayne to me , can make a case for being better , only those two . Nobody else has a viable explanation for being ahead of TI . Nobody else has a viable one .
Because you can't talk about guest appearances , you can't talk about bar work , you can't talk about songs , you can't talk about albums . You can't talk about bar work . You can't talk about songs . You can't talk about albums . You can't talk about mixtapes , the Down With the King mixtapes , some of his best bar work too . He's literally got everything .
He's got the hits , he's got the crossover hits , he's got the street anthems , he's got the records .
If I'm being real , you named off all the different categories and sliders . Face is face , Scarface is Scarface . But if we're being real , Wayne barely edges them bro .
If we're being real , I personally have always preferred TI to Wayne . That's why I'm saying , objectively , I have him at three . Personally I have him at two because I feel like he makes better albums than Wayne he does . He's a better album maker than Wayne .
If you go look at Wayne's , like if you're picking wayne's five best albums and picking ti's five best albums , that goes to ti ti .
Yeah , wayne might have the feature uh category slightly not by much . Yeah , I said slightly , and then the mixtapes slightly go go to wayne as well , so it's a close race .
And I'm going to tell you what happened too , is that the legal troubles where it hurt him most was the feature game , when things were becoming more collab heavy and rap , because , if you'll notice , after his legal troubles , well , not a lot of artists outside of Atlanta collabed with Tip like they were before .
His late collabs are all with Thug , with Future , with Jeezy , he wasn't getting those pop hits , no more . Yeah , he wasn't getting the outside work . Robin Thicke and Justin Timberlake weren't calling anymore after the league troubles .
And it happened when he was at his hottest yeah no , he was bigger than Wayne .
Yeah , that's what I really think about his legacy . His legacy for me is is that , like you know , it's a top 20 legacy , but it should have been a top 10 , maybe even top five , that's how it should have gone .
Top five is a stretch , but you know he could have pushed for top 10 .
stretch , but you know he could have . He could have pushed the top two . When I say he , where wayne sits , is where he should sit .
A lot of people consider wayne to be top five and what I'm saying is , if ti doesn't have those legal troubles , I think they're talking about him in that manner it's a conversation I just more so get worried about and we can move on , um , but I just more so I like to look ahead , man , and we're talking .
Look ahead , man , and we're talking about that era , like you know . We're talking about that early 2000s era where TI was running it , you know , game was active , jeezy was like you know that guy in ATL , we had Ross in the game and we had , you know , just , and Kanye was still a megastar . You know what I mean .
And then we fast forward and get past that to the new era where we had the big three Kendrick , drake and Cole Like all these guys is like superstars , man . And then I'm looking who's going to get past the baton and the mantle going forward ? Because you know , kendrick , drake and Cole , they're all elder statesmen at this point . You know what I mean .
So I'm looking up on the horizon , like where hip-hop is going , man , and there's nobody that we could really really point to in this next decade or generation that I can see that's going to carry that torch , like these guys did , like TI did in the early 2000s and so forth .
I mean , we're blessed to still have our legends of our formative years , like Nas and LL and Common still dropping dope projects . But just looking forward , man , I'm not seeing where it's going to be good , I'm just being honest .
Speaking of which , I believe Michael Williams had a five-hour super chat that we missed , where he asked what was better most deaths , black on both sides , or Commons like water for chocolate ?
I'm going like water for chocolate .
I agree with that one . Black water for chocolate is the one .
Yeah , we're going to go three-peat on that . I've always liked like water for chocolate better than black on both sides . Nothing personal against most . I just think it's a better album all around . It's a well-rounded album it is . A lot of people still feel like it's his best project . A lot of people prefer Water for Chocolate to be , Absolutely .
I'm not mad at that , absolutely .
I got to be ahead of it , but it's a conversation All
¶ Exploring Malice's Influence and Style
right , fellas . Any final thoughts about TI . Everybody favorite his top 20 placement , top 20 ?
Absolutely , absolutely TI had a major run . You cannot disregard that A major run .
Okay , ag , I'm going to pass it over to you . We got our Discord dialogues . I believe the winner of the Discord dialogues this week is no Malice of the Clips Take it away AG .
Yes , sir , like I said , we're doing a segment from our Discord where we're voting every week on an artist that may not be in the news cycle or talked about and we're getting 10 nominations from people in our Discord group for who we're going to talk about each week , and this week the winner of that contest was was no malice .
So here we are to talk about him and just a bad lead-off . Um , when the clips first came out , I always thought that malice or no malice was the better of the two brothers . Um , I felt that he was a little bit more seasoned and um , better lyrically on the microphone .
When lord willing came out , by the time you get to hell , have no fury , and pusher was coming into his own , I could tell that you know pusher was going to be the better rapper of the two . But what I always preferred with malice is malice was more versatile in the sense where he was more cerebral on the mind . You know what I mean .
He would talk about what they were doing in the streets , but you could always hear that conflict and I mean he would talk about the pitfalls of it and the other side versus like glorifying it . So in that respect he was more cerebral to me .
Like you know more , have more of the awareness of what you know what he was doing was doing to his people and you know what could happen from that and he would later on go on to release solo records that were more faith-based . You know when he was , you know finding god , and those are solid projects like here .
You hear him and let the dead bury the dead if you haven't checked them out . Check them out . Those are dope projects .
But um , I'm glad that they're gonna be uh reuniting for this clips album and um , but I just always think that uh , no malice has been underrated , you know , because pusha d kind of found his way and came up in the kanye camp and kind of got a little bit of superstar to him , but I always felt like , felt like no malice was really the one , you know .
For me and um , I just think , I just think he's dope and I'm I'm excited to hear him rapping alongside his brother again . So that's my take on the uh discord dialogue hey , y'all going to cook on this one .
I'm gonna go back so I can send everybody the discord links and our facebook links and everything , so y'all cook on this one ag .
I'm gonna echo a lot of your sentiments and a lot of your comments . Malice , as he was known at the time , is actually the better rapper of the two on Lord Willing . In my opinion , if you're talking the album Lord Willing , malice is the superior MC to Pusha T on that album . You can tell that he's been rapping for a longer time .
You can tell he's more comfortable in his cadence and his flow in the pockets that he's rhyming in . You can tell Pusha is still in his cadence and his flow in the pockets that he's rhyming in . You can tell Push is still putting it together and figuring it out .
Malice is already there on Lord Will and he is the more polished of the two and his execution is important to the sound and the style of that album and he's always been a top notch MC to me . That was the thing that I always noticed about them early on . It's like , oh no , they rhyme at a high level lyrically .
You know , even early on when they were figuring it out , and he was the better of the two .
I think during the Re-Up Gang mixtape series you started to see a transition and part of that transition was Pusha's flow started to get sicker , was , pusha's flow started to get sicker and so I think , where he wasn't as fundamentally sound as Malice at the time , it made him get more clever and creative with his flow , because he wasn't as lyrical or cerebral and
fundamentally wasn't as sound about catching his pocket . So I think Pusha's unorthodox style and his unorthodox flow actually comes from wanting to be the antithesis of what his brother was already doing at a high level , to separate himself .
So when I listen to the Pusha T that I hear , I actually hear him becoming great next to his brother , like doing all the things that brother doesn't do . Well , well , those are the things I'm gonna do . Well , that makes us an unstoppable duo .
That's why hell hath no fury is so special to me is because , well , they're both brilliant on there , but they're brilliant in two different ways . Malice is reflective and precise and cerebral . Pusha's flow pattern is all over the place and he's menacing and he's vicious and he's intense and he's bitter , you know , and it blended perfectly together .
And so when people talk about Pusha and how great he is all time , oh , his brother's just as good as he is . For most of their career , pusha's just done more notarized work because of the Kanye relationship , thereby opening up more opportunities and resources . But no malice has been right there , and his more faith-driven projects were solid projects as well .
Push is not better like clearly better until the casket drops , like that's when you can tell that Push is just a better MC . It's a conversation all the way up to then , including on Hell Hath . No Fury at times .
Push will win on style points , the flash .
Push is winning on style points . That's what I mean when his brother has a cadence and a flow and a pocket that is more . How about this ? You know his brother , no , malice has a lot of Jadakiss in him in terms of how comfortably and how well and consistently he hits certain pockets of flows that are great for your traditional like rhyme slayers .
Like listeners , people want to hear that it's like , no , he's great at that and so that's .
That is where , like , a lot of pushes on Orthodox , like bar style and behavior comes from , because you can tell , on Lord willing , that he wants to sound like his brother , but it's actually when he steps out the box and starts playing with his flow more than he actually sounds like the version of him that we you know to know and love .
Or , in the case of a lot of rappers , places hey .
Yeah , but you got to find yourself and I'm glad you pointed that out , cause I mean , that's his big bro . You know it's your first time out . You know who , bro ? You know it's your first time out . You know who better to model yourself after than your big bro , who sounded more polished at the time . But he had to find his own way .
And then I'm glad you pointed that out , because I never looked at it like that , but I mean , I looked at it as like pusher was the antithesis . But what you're saying is that he said if we're going to be a top tier duo , I'm intentionally doing the things that my brother doesn't do well , so we got all bases covered .
I never looked at it from that perspective before , but you're probably right you know , like like malice isn't the type of rapper that's gonna slide and try and go . Yeah , he's not gonna do stuff like that . That's why pusha started doing stuff like that . He's not doing stuff like that . On lord willing , he's not doing stuff like that .
On the early re-up gang stuff , it's that transition in between Hell Hath , no Fury , about halfway it's like volume 2 of the re-up gang series . It's like , oh no , that guy's different , like his flow . The dive that's on what happened to that boy .
His flow is different yeah , and then Pusher just excelled at the slick talk . You know what I mean , because Malice was going to give it to you straight . No , chaser , you know . But Pusher would come in with the slick talk .
Yeah right , he's the cool G-Rap . How about this ? Malice is more KRS-One to Pus . Cool G rap . It's like having a KRS like a Boogie Down Productions KRS , not like a KRS like my 9mm goes bang .
KRS , I'm with that because you're going to come away from a Malice verse making you think .
Right , that's what I mean . Malice has that consciousness that a krs has , like a younger krs , who was still very street oriented , still , though yep , no , that's a good comparison I like that . So it's like listening to a boogie down production , krs and cool g rap in the same crew . You know what I'm saying .
So it's like you got your street poetry and consciousness and then you just got your like flashy street lifestyle . You know what I'm saying . So it's like you got your street poetry and consciousness and then you just got your like flashy street lifestyle . You know what I'm saying ? So it makes for a beautiful blend and I actually think their project especially .
I was meaning to ask you all this and by y'all I mean you , because I don't care what sean thinks how the ll project was holding up for you . There's been a lot of good projects this year . Not a lot of these projects are staying with me .
I found myself drifting on the L , even even though I find the L and B a top flight album this year , and so I think this clips album has a chance to be album of the year , just because nothing's really come and take my breath away .
Yeah , I'm not mad at that . But the I got the L ll still in rotation but because it's an easy listen , you know , short and sweet album like it's not really any not really . I don't even think it's any misses on there . So , um , it's still in rotation .
But if you're asking me if my expectations for the clip album is that it's going to , like you know , be better or surpass the ll album , then the answer to that is yes , you know , that's the expectations I have for that yeah , I mean assuming it comes
¶ Pharrell's Legacy and Soundtrack Influences
out this year .
We are getting towards the . We are getting towards the end . We're creeping up on it .
Well , we got time we got time . I'm hearing it's done . I mean they 10 weeks . I mean they was just waiting on one feature . I don't know who that is , but hopefully they got were just waiting on one feature . I don't know who that is , but hopefully they got it done .
Waiting on one feature five , six weeks ago ? Yeah , all right To our last segment . Press play AG what you got in rotation this week .
Yo , this is actually a perfect segue , because I wanted to pay homage to Pharrell with my press play segment . This weekend . I went to go check out the Lego biopic that he has out . Look at Sean . He got this Me and my kids went to check it out .
It better not have been for you that he has out . Look at Sean , he got this Me and my kids went to check it out and it's really it better not have been for you .
No , yo , I would watch that joint on the strength by myself because that joint you remember BH1 behind the music , you remember that the documentary joint , of course . Right , the movie is essentially like that , like pharrell basically is telling and it's real informative .
It goes from like the early virginia beach days coming up under teddy riley , you know , and then growing up with you know pusha t malice in them , missy and timbaland doing their thing , and then how pharrell got on met chad and then who he produced the one here and that . But Pharrell got on met Chad and then who he produced on here and that .
But Pharrell got all these people to do interviews for this movie but they didn't know that they was going to be cast as Legos . So it's everybody's original voices and you got , you know , jay-z's in there , kendrick Lamar , gwen Stefani , teddy Riley , busta Rhymes , missy Elliott , timbaland , like anybody .
And everybody that Pharrell's worked with is in the movie and you know it's like a Pharrell biopic or documentary and it's real informative about the history of Pharrell through his music .
So I took my press play joints and been running a lot of my favorite Pharrell After I saw the movie running my favorite Pharrell or Neptune's produced tracks , you know so that's where I'm going with it .
This nigga dig a Lego bio . This nigga dig a Lego bio .
Okay , the reason behind it is I don't know if y'all know this about Pharrell he has synesthesia . Synesthesia if you don't know what that is , it's a condition where you hear . When you hear sounds , you see it in color . Different sounds generate different colors , right .
So he thought it would be fly like if he put himself and all his like friends and people he's worked with in a movie because of the colors , the color palettes and schemes that you could use in a lego movie to tell a story . It wouldn't be as boring as just like a normal , you know documentary with him on the screen talking .
So it was based off his synesthesia , like I want to see bright colors , because his songs are the soundtrack to the movie . So that was his basis for doing the movie . So you know , if you got kids hell , you got to have kids Go check it out .
Who asked him for his biopic this soon ? Who asked him Don't do that ?
Pharrell's one of the greats man . I don't got him in my top ten but he's one of the greats . But that's my press play for this week , based off of seeing that movie . I've been running back my favorite Pharrell or Neptune's joints and we segue in from talking about no Malice . Of course I gotta have Grinding on the list .
Listen , man , this is one of the top hip-hop beats of all time . Point blank period , like top 10 easily . And I was in college when this dropped , but low-key , wish I was in high school because I know people were probably going crazy on the lunch tables with that . You know what I'm saying . But yeah , that's one of my favorite beats of all time .
But then I got um popular demand , aka the papa song , with the clips you know saying featuring cam . This is probably one of my favorite cameron features of all time . So you know , I think they all took this track and pharrell killed the hook . Love this record .
Um , and then , but the next one , this person actually had a big role in the movie nori's in the movie a lot , because nori gave pharrell his big break with super thug . And in the movie they talk about how that track you know came to be and the production of it .
So you know pharrell has a lot of reverence for nori because you know he owes him a lot for um taking a chance on him or whatever . So , super thug , I remember hearing that album in 98 and seeing that video as the first single and I'm like , oh my god , like what is this ? This beat is like crazy . It's like different hit , different chakras in you .
So love super thug , um and this is appropriate got jada kiss , knock yourself out . Another pharrell and neptune's banger off the Kiss the Game Goodbye album . That would fade the music 101 . So we'll go on to the next one . I got Drop it Like it's Hot .
Snoop also makes an appearance in the movie and you know when I first heard this beat you know what I'm saying it was infectious . It was everywhere , in all the clubs and everything . So you know this and I didn't know this . This was the informative thing I learned from the movie this . So you know this and I didn't know this .
This was the informative thing I learned from the movie . This is Snoop's first number one hit Blew my mind . I never knew that . Wow , that was . That was crazy to me . For all the hits that Snoop got , this was Pharrell gave him his first number one . That's crazy yeah .
It is crazy .
I'm telling you , man , the movie is informative for real , because I would have thought beautiful would have went number one .
Beautifuls , before drop it like it's hot , I would have thought beautiful no , drop it like it's hot first , then beautiful I came out like it's hot first , then beautiful yeah okay .
And then next we appropriately we talked about soundtracks . Uh , I got la la la off the uh , bad boys 2 soundtrack
¶ Musical Favorites and Collaborations
. This is actually my second favorite jay and pharrell collaboration and I I like this way better than the original . Excuse me , miss record . I think jay floated on this record . He's just like killing the hooks , the bars . You know I'm saying the entendres , everything on here . This is a crazy record . And my second favorite , that where they work together .
And last , I got my personal favorite collaboration of Jay and Pharrell and that's Allure . I think Allure I mean PSA is what it is and Encore is what it is but this is my personal favorite record off the Black Album . I love Allure . Allure is a beautiful record .
Everybody says that I think Allure is overrated . I do too .
I think it's underrated . I don't think enough people talk about it . When you say , everybody says that . I don't hear people saying that I think I'm an outlier .
I hear people call it a top three song on the Black album all the time and I don't agree when they say it .
Well , it's my favorite record on there and it's my favorite Pharrell and Jay collaboration , but that's all I got . I wanted to show love to Pharrell with my list , so that's what I got .
Sean , how's your press play looking ?
I started off with you Must Love Me . This is one of Jay's in my opinion , one of his songs , definitely one of the best ones off of this album . For me , maybe top three off this album actually . Love you Must Love Me , love the story behind it , love the beat , love everything about this song . My second one was Apostle's Warning .
This is where I felt like P was one of the greatest rappers of all time during this time , when he finished his track off that last verse and he just left earth . On this one I'd say this guy is incredible . He's one of them . So I love this , always loved his joint . I want to take it back too . I wanted to play some of Woo Renegades .
This week I was in the trenches , I was in the Cali Yo projects man and I was like yo , I need to play some Woo Renegades right here . Because it's crazy out here , co head . Because it's crazy out here , coop shaking his head . Man , wood Renegades was crazy man . You pick a Wu-Tang song every week , nigga , every week , every week . I gotta keep it alive .
If you look real close , Sean's on the cover of Fatigues too . Look real close , he's in there .
Just like he was on the ball team .
I also had to play you Can't Resist because I was having a debate with one of my guys on my team . He's from New Orleans , call him Twin . I told him . I said , man , this is the best I've heard BG and Juvenile on a record . You Can't Resist with the Timbaland beat , loved this record .
I thought they went crazy on here and I had to bring it back up top . You know I love this joint , of course , tony . You know Capone Noriega this was one of the soundtracks to my life . To be quite honest , this was right before I went to boot camp , fatigued out Corona Queens to the building .
You got QB on one side , you got left rack on the other side of Corona in the backdrop , queens get the money and also had to pay homage to um the TI . You know I felt like , uh , what you know about that ? That was a song that really um got my attention with TI .
That's when I really started rocking with TI , so I wanted to get back to that as well .
That's his best song .
To me . I felt like that was that grandioso song for me , for TI .
What did you say , Coop ?
It's his best song and it was the best rap song that year and it's one of the best rap songs of all time . I agree with everything you just said it's crazy and it's one of the best rap songs of all time . I agree with everything you just said .
I told people if you were to give me a song to represent Atlanta in some Rap Olympics type shit , that would be the song that would play Y'all crazy . I'm not mad at that . Either that or Jeezy's who that .
My last one , one as I was flying back this morning had to listen to some jamming , had to get my nerves down .
Nothing wrong with that . It's universal law .
I was in the trenches this week , man , and I just needed something to kind of stabilize me before I got home . What I do is very intense and this week , man , I just needed something to stabilize me before I got home . What I do is very intense . I needed this to get me back on track .
That's my joint .
That's mine for the week .
Dope list .
This is pretty good . You want to know what my shit was on the war report . Illegal life and parole violators .
Parole violators , crazy Driver's seat Driver's seat was crazy .
Driver's seat was crazy .
We interviewed Iman Thug . He was on driver's seat . He went crazy on driver's seat . Yeah , driver's seat . Nori carried that album .
That was nori's like , yeah that was , capone got locked up like seven songs in or some shit yeah , listen , this is gonna sound sacrilegious in hindsight but in real time .
When the album came out , me and like my you know school circle of friends , was comparing the war report to the purple tape and the infamous like it was . That dope to us .
You know I'm saying they sound sacrilegious now , but in real time we was having that conversation I think they fell short lyrically of those albums but has the feeling of those albums , so not wrong about the feeling that it gave . It was gritty man , I think it just proved itself lyrically to be inferior to those albums .
Yeah , the feeling's there though . The feeling is there , the feeling is there .
Yeah , I mean Blood Money . Driver's Seat , toy Thick U . Illegal Life , lal-a . There's a lot of classic shit on there . Iraq , see the World , the World See Iraq . There's a lot of classic shit on there , yep . Oh , so my press play , leave it Up to Coop . Always got to class up this list . Always got to class up this list .
Kissed from a Rose by Seal , guys Remember Kissed from a Rose by Seal .
Yeah , it was all over the Batman soundtrack . It was .
I was on a plane with Seal once . I was on a plane with Seal once . He was an asshole and I had to check him .
Did you scream when you saw him , did you try to get his autograph and he said get out of his face .
First of all , you need to watch his phone .
If you treated him anything like you did the mayor , then that's nasty .
Yo , going crazy over sealed is crazy cool . You need to watch his phone .
First of all , I had to check his ass because he was actually being rude , because he was having trouble getting on the plane , and the reason that he was having trouble getting on the plane is because the white people were all flustered because his ass was walking onto the plane . I had to stop and tell him .
I'd be like hey , I was like if you would chill out , I said the only reason that this is happening is because you're getting on the plane , so the least you could do is be nice to these people that think the world of you .
And then I turned around because outside of Kiss from a Rose .
Ain't nobody a SEAL fan like that in the black community .
He must have not had Heidi with him . Heidi Klum , he must not have had her with him .
No , no , no . This is after Heidi left that ass .
No wonder they was hostile . Post-heidi .
Post-Heidi .
You should have led with that . It makes more sense now .
We now . We made space on the plane for your black ass , you up here acting crazy and shit in the back . But Kiss From A Rose great song , great record . Asshole in person Next song . I , like you , picked the J song Dead Presidents .
When I listen to this record I mean it's not only one of rap's finest moments , I still think it's his finest moment as an MC . As far as three verses goes , it is his best mic performance to this day . I've been listening to it over and over again .
It's just the ease with which he is rhyming and talking about the things that he is talking about and saying you have to understand nobody's talking like this in 96 . We hadn't heard anybody talk like this before .
He was so introspective and kind of like emotionless about the game that it it really did have an allure to it pun intended about the song that you picked , ag . So yeah , I had them , presidents . So clearly you like two better than one oh yeah , okay , two is the one , two is the one .
Okay , let me ask you this real quick before you go on Did the Cold Song get you in the mode to listen to Dead Presidents 2 ? The poor .
Antonio Doing some research and digging into it , but I've just been on a Dead Presidents kick lately . You know where the kick actually started . It started with Celebration from Streets is Watching coming up on my playlist .
Love that song .
I hate that it's edited though I hate it edited . Yeah , Celebration just made me go back to that era when he was rhyming like that , which always makes me think of Dead Presidents , because I think that's the one . That's the one , that's the manifesto that represents who he is as an MC .
A lot of people that's not tapped into , that don't know . That's where the takeover line takeover breaks over .
The takeover breaks over .
God MC me Takeover A lot of people don't know that came from that before he started to get on takeover .
If you like me , you a punk who you been with . Yeah , love that record . Stop having mighty cone motherfuckers . Go ahead , kick a little freestyle .
I might listen to speeches watch it later .
Man , that's my joy . And beat us , join us , keep key this on us . Yeah , ooh , yeah , he's cold on there . That that ? That's the J that I , that's the J that I'm a fan of , like that guy . Oh , that guy rhymes so vicious . So yeah , dead Presidents . 2 .
Somebody that he was affiliated with around the time he was making Reasonable Doubt is actually my next record , which is Camp Low with Cooley High .
The more time that goes on .
I'm starting to think that uptown Saturday night by Campo might be the most underrated rap album of all time Like of all time , because this album is a classic and it doesn't get its flowers for how innovative and how creative and how great these guys sound .
If you're talking about flow , cadence , delivery , voice , song , structure , bar work , this album has it all . Actually , it's wildly entertaining . It's original , the beats are great . Ski went wild on here , he went wild on here . Some of the best beats that you will find , like the rhyme schemes and entendres and couplets , is Wu-Tang-like .
The way that they're sliding on these records in terms of just how they're piecing and mixing and matching and putting the bars together and making it fit and making it work and making it sound good . They were smooth with it . Yeah , they were . And Cooley High is probably my favorite record off of there and yeah , it was just really really
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a special record . This is kind of like when it's a late night and I can't sleep , but it's like I'm still up and I'm working on bullshit for Hip Hop Talks . This is a record that I'd be putting on .
I'm not mad at that . You say it's the most underrated hip-hop album . I think it's in the conversation . My personal vote would be for Do or Die , but I do see what you're saying with this album .
AZ's Do or Die . Yeah , that album went gold and has a platinum single , though this album doesn't have that .
True , I mean , if you speak in numbers , yeah . Yeah , this would be more underrated in that sense .
Yeah you think door die gets under .
I think door die gets classic status see , I don't want to take away from your first play segment , but here's , here's my thing . Real quick door die , I think get gets classic or borderline classic status .
But it doesn't get the credit it deserves because it's the perfect bridge from Illmatic to it Was Written Because , if you ask me , I think a lot of it Was Written was inspired by what A was doing on Do or Die , going into the mafioso genre , and Do or Die balances the best of both worlds .
It has what's good about Illmatic and it has what's good about it Was Wr . It has what's good about it was written on there . So for all the pundits that panned , it was written where az was at on do or die . It shouldn't be that hard to tell , no pun intended , where nas was going to go next , or it was written .
So I don't think do or die gets the credit around that time for spawning some of what Nas did . It's like steel sharpens steel .
It's kind of like Goody Mob with Soul Food . There you go In between the S-album , yes . Yes , in a lot of ways it has the components of the Southern Playalistic and the ATLians album and kind of lets you know where OutKast is headed .
Actually , if you listen to them on SoulFood you can see why they sound the way they do on AT Aliens that's a nice observation that's a very nice observation . I've never looked at Do or Die from that type of perspective in terms of the transition that it impacted on Nas' career , because Gimme Yours and Mo' , murder Mo' Money .
It's like where more that's more . It was written Right .
But if you listen to Rather Unique , that's more in the vein of like the world is yours or it ain't hard to tell it has the best of you know , maddox , but they were around each other so much and people forget that AZ had the platinum single on Sugar Hill before Nas had platinum anything .
Right had the platinum single on Sugar Hill before Nas had platinum anything Right and it was written as Black Girl Lost but Do or Die has .
Ho Happy Jackie .
Insightful stuff , AG . I like that a lot . Next I got God's Don't Bleed from West Side Gun featuring Benny the Butcher and Jadakiss . I love this record . This is the record that made me a fan of Benny , because I was like who the guy rapping next to Jada Kiss like this and there's nothing on Jada Kiss ? A little bit , Don't do that .
We're not doing that again .
You don't think Benny's got the best verse on God's Don't Believe .
It's a conversation , it's neck and neck right . Yeah , it's neck and neck .
So when you're going neck and neck with Kiss , you're doing something . You're pretty damn good when you're going toe-to-toe with Kiss on the mic , aren't you ? That's right For somebody that's not familiar with Benny the Butcher at the time , like that when we're hearing this , you get what I'm saying .
Like I've only heard him a few times until I heard this when I heard about this .
It's startling when you hear it , yeah yeah , this to me is where Benny's buzz started , like this verse on this song it's like , hold on , it's like , who that nigga like ? oh no , no , no , that guy can rap , rap like Jadakiss level rap . How about this ? The buzz that benny got came from this .
Because , the same way we was talking earlier about that expectation of rhyming , of kiss rhyming at that j and nas level , well , when you hear benny on this record with kiss , that's what your expectation becomes . It's like , oh no , he can rhyme at that jada kiss styles level . Yeah , that's what your expectation becomes .
It's like , oh no , he can rhyme at that Jadakiss Styles level . Yeah , he really can . And this is West Side Gunn showing his ability as a curator . In terms of this is where we start to see him piecing stuff together on his projects from people outside of the camp with people inside of the camp too . Number five is kind of like a dual pick .
Oh no , no , no , that was number six . Okay , we can get back to number five . Freak , though with pharrell . You know it's kind of funny . I picked pharrell too unintentionally . I think this is pharrell's most underrated hip-hop production song that nobody talks about . Nobody ever talks about the fact that he did this record .
I think this is one of those records that makes TI the most well-rounded artist to ever come out of his house , even past a Wayne and a Scarface . Wayne and Scarface can't make this type of record , and so I knew we were going to do some TI talk today .
So I kind of wanted to offer up a record that people may not be as familiar with off one of his great projects that doesn't get talked about as much , because I feel like what has also happened over time is , because of the legend of trap music , because of the success of king , because of the appeal of paper trail , a lot of people forget about urban legend ,
which is just as good and , for a lot of moments of it , actually better than all three of those albums . There's stretches on Urban Legend like the beginning of Urban Legend is as good as anything that he's done when he's going into Motivation and ASAP and all that .
Out of those four , I'm ranking Urban Legend second only the king . Then I got Paper Trailed and Trap Music . Out of those four , I'm ranking Urban Legend second only the King . Then I got Paper Trailed and Trap Music . Out of those four .
Yeah , see , a lot of people have it that way , but this is actually the album , too , where I feel like Tip showed he was a great MC . Yes , yeah and so yeah , freak Though Check out Freak Though , featuring Pharrell . Next we have what I thought was number five . Yes , first of all , newsflash .
If y'all haven't seen pictures of young Dolly Parton , go Google that shit Word , her icon status is not accidental . No , her icon status is not accidental . That's a bad motherfucker . Yeah , Dolly's bad , I ain't going to hold you . Dolly's super bad . Okay , Just go Google early pictures of Dolly Parton .
But what a lot of us forget is that the original I Will Always Love you is actually done by Dolly Parton . Done by Dolly Parton . Here was the thing about when I listened to I Will Always Love you by Dolly Parton because of who Whitney is and because of the mic performance of I Will Always Love you by Whitney Houston .
Almost every time I listen to I Will Always Love you by Dolly Parton , I feel compelled to listen to I Will Always Love you by Whitney Houston . So we got a double whammy . We got I Will Always Love you , Duh , Dolly and Whitney .
But yeah , for all of y'all who don't know how Dolly became an icon , go look at pictures of Dolly in her 20s and 30s Real quick .
I had one of my assistants that was a co-worker big time , dolly fan . Dolly was his favorite person of all time , but this cat was like maybe late 20s barely 30 , and was in love with Dolly and I was like yo man , young Dolly probably had you going crazy . He told me straight face like shit . He's like I'll take Dolly now and he was not playing .
He was not playing . I was like yo you wild .
Young Dolly might make brother Malcolm put down a bean pie and eat a pork biscuit . Man Might have a whole sausage biscuit . Fuck around . Be no bean pie for the brother , all right , be sausage biscuit . And grits Living with Dolly in Dollywood Turn up . Oh man , she bad , all right . Last but not least , the message Grandmaster , flash and Furious Five .
This actually got added to my playlist a little later and it's the last song that I picked . I was actually talking to an older cat from New York and he was explaining to me why he didn't have Jay in his top five . And when he was explaining to me why Jay wasn't in his top five , this is the song that he actually referenced to make his point .
He said because Jay don't make records like this that are really like important and informational , that really talk about how we're living in our culture . And it made me think that the archetype of hip hop was always about the expression of our struggle and this song , even to this day , is still one of the best expressions of that struggle .
And this song , even to this day , is still one of the best expressions of that struggle and we can never forget that . We can never forget where hip-hop came from and we can never forget this record . It still , to this day , might be the most important rap record of all time and it's still one of the best rap songs of all time .
The actual bar work on here is still very prevalent , very evident and very much still ahead of the curve when you listen to it .
That's , I agree , coop . And that's ironic because me and you know one of my homies that I talk to on a regular basis , he's actually in north carolina , he's in greensboro . We had a conversation about the message the other day and we was talking about what was hip-hop built off of .
Was it built off the like lyricism , talking about what's going on in the community , or was it more so ? Who could rock the party and the party records ? Because it's different accounts on what it was built upon .
But you know , my thing was both can be true , because it was a fork in the road , because for every message that the message that you had , you had rappers delight you know what I'm saying Around the same time .
So you know , you had the party records , which that's part of the foundation as well , but you got to keep that balance and always have a quote-unquote message you know what I mean to tell what's going on with our people . So yeah , I'm glad you brought that up .
Yeah , it's like Anthony Hamilton told me years ago man , there's room on the stage for everybody . That's what we loved about hip hop . We could go by Tribe Called Quest and then go by Wu-Tang we could go by OC and then go by Bone Thugs-N-Harmony . We could go by NWA and then go by Public Enemy .
We could buy Slick Bricks , raunchy Stories and then go KRS-One's socioeconomic , politically inspired stories . There used to be space for everybody in our consciousness . Any parting words , parting shots ?
Another one for the books , gentlemen .
Listen to that Love the Genius album . It's dope .
Check it out . Oh , at midnight the Warriors album is going to drop , you know , executive , produced by Nas , inspired by the movie the Warriors , and you know , might be dope . Got some big , notable names on there Busta , cam , rza , you know . So check out that compilation album . You know I'm saying one of the best movies of all time from that .
You know , I'm saying that era when the best movies of all time , from that era when we was coming up .
Ransom and Stove dropping too .
No doubt .
Yeah , I saw that . I'm looking for that one Anytime .
Stove dropping . I'm there , love Stove , still waiting on that next Stove project . Need that new stuff when you at .
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