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a bachelorom Paradise. Today was actually a big day because they announced the cast, so I can talk about who I had to bartend for this year and say things like I'm sorry if you did not receive Rose, please take a moment and say your goodbyes, which is harder than you think. Actually, I'm being completely honest. So here's who ABC released as the Bachelor in Paradise cast. And just so you know, there will be more people coming than that was released today, because obviously some people are

still on Katie season. And if you announced that they will are in Bachelor in Paradise, then you know that they will, not, of course, win the love of Katie Thurston at the end of the bat Shore. But here's who they can announce. Got Abigail America sweetheart, got a lover. You got Brendan Deandra Sweetie. You got Ivan just sena grocery store Joe Carl with the k Kelsey a k a champagne gate. You got boy band manager also known as Kenny with great hair. You got Mari. You've got Marissa.

You got Natasha. We got Young Noah, A Serena another Serena. You've got the Tajuan. I don't know if you remember ta Juan, but last time she came to Paradise, she couldn't stop sweating. She freaked out on some crabs. Understandable, she yelled into the ocean, she ate spaghetti in the pool and then left all within like twenty minutes of getting there. Who else is coming, Oh, Queen Victoria will be there. And speaking of Victoria's Victoria Paul. And that

is the announcement that ABC made the day. And I guess I haven't been on the show since they announced it. I'll be bartending and then I'll also be doing other stuff there. The official role is master of ceremonies, which is funny because I am a master of nothing. Maybe a master of baters. Oh that's a whack off joke. Anyways, excited for that to come out. I think you guys are really gonna love the season. It's gonna be amazing. It's gonna be drama, it's gonna be romance, it's gonna

be all those things. Speaking of whoa Hills last night, Bro, what happened the Pratts getting not crazy? They did a center their chakras. Man, they need to throw some more crystals around their neck because guys, you're going harden the paints. It seems like you're kind of vosh de siding yourself from the group, just saying and the guy that was kind of that. The epicenter of all the Pratt drama is Jason Waller, who is going to be my guest

on this show today. Big thing to Amy and Danielle for filling in last week when they had Ashley, Jason's lovely wife on the show and she dropped some bombs. Dude talking about how's the group chat that the Prats aren't in, talking about how they all get together with the Prats don't come, kind of crazy, kind of juicy. We've had Jason on before and he's always been super honest, super transparent, love the dude to death, but I kind of felt bad for him in the episode last night.

It seems like people are coming at him hard, making up stuff that's not true. Also on cool if you're a recovering addict like he is. So we're gonna take on the entire thing. Oh also, we're gonna have someone from c S two key on the show as well, because we're just talking all weird MTV shows at this point. Soon we're gonna do like a check in with Rob Dear Dick about ridiculousness and then like's it Tiffany Amberthessen, who's unlike delicious nous and now there's like a cutiness.

They're just taking ship that works and repackaging it at this point. Ain't broke, don't fix. That's what my dad always says. All right, break, come back, Jason. We gotta know what's going on, bro because that was crazy last night. Over there, back and better than ever. The Man, the midth the Legend, my favorite person to ever come on. The Hills Cast, Slash Wells Cast, Jason Waller, how are you, my man, good man? How are you appreciate you having me back? Yeah? I mean I was out of town.

I was I was working over in Mexico filming b I p so Amy and I believe Dan Yelle filled in for me last week and they had your beautiful bride on the show and I was listening back and your girl didn't hold me punches last week, and I kind of loved it. Well, no, man, I mean, enough gets too enough. And we fought very hard for where we're at. When you talk about very sensitive stuff that we've lived through, and and uh, you hear those typ of things, Um, you know it's you're going to get

the real raw side. It's you know, there was some there was some very hurtful moments that as that transpired. We had you on the show earlier in this season, and you kind of teed it up for us, or teased it a little bit, and then seeing it, I think I was even a little more disgusted by it,

if I'm being completely honest with you. I mean, we've talked about, you know, your recovery on this show, and I've always applauded you for just how honest you are and how transparent you are amidst a world of people who I think are less than that. I think I told you maybe last season that it's something that hits home for me because I lost two cousins to substance abuse issues, and it's so not something to joke around about or make light of or even use against people

in arguments. And when Spencer said what he said at that dinner party, I was like, you really cross the line here, regardless of who's right or who's wrong. That was very very out of bounds. And it was funny to see the group collectively go, WHOA not cool? It

was next level, dude, It was next level. And I think the biggest part of that is is for those that don't remember, is we were trying to develop a relationship last season, right We were trying to be open and friendly with the Rats, and I opened up to him about some very vulnerable stuff and he ended up utilizing using that as Ammo down the road. It's just

totally unacceptable, totally uncalled for. And it just goes to show that how you know, uneducated and naive they are when it comes to substance abuse, some mental health and what people really go through on a on a daily struggle. Like you said, seeing the cast response to it was basically what you you know, all you needed to see of how distasteful and disrespectful it was. It just seems like that no one really wants to be friends with them, like they're just kind of there because they're a part

of the show. Everyone's kind of done with their ship. Well yeah, but also, I mean you can see through this the episode, it's people don't also just don't want to deal with the wrath of them because it becomes you become an obsessive target. Whereas for us is like, dude, we're gonna stick up for what's right. You know, We're not we could care less and getting into it with them, but we're also going to stand our ground. We're not going to tolerate their craft. Dude, it's childish and to

get engaged with that. Unfortunately, it was a big part of our life. I mean, we were around them for you know, the last thirteen months, and it's not just as easy as being able to separate from that, especially when you constantly hear it. And I think the really sad part is is it was actually a lot worse than what they even showed. There was. There was more that you did not see. Me and Ashley kind of looked at each other last night we watched and we're like, wow,

they didn't even There was a lot more stuff. The comment that they made, you know, the big the big thing that Spencer said it was around the relapse and different stuff like that. But there were still comments and conversations that I'm surprised they didn't show to even show you know, how distasteful it really got. So it was worse than what we saw. It was worse, yes, and

much longer. It was probably I want to say, I don't know, maybe it seven to ten minute conversation that ended up taking place to the point of where Hide and Spencer were you know, booed out basically really yeah, man. It was to the point where I've done these shows for since two thousand five, right, and I've never had producers come up to us after and be like you, like literally like in tears, like are you guys okay?

It was a gnarly, gnarly moment. I'm not looking for something like look, the last thing in the world that's gonna get under my skin and drive me to a bad place is going to be Spencer hide, It's not going to be the case. But it was. You know, it was just very distasteful and it's very disrespectful. I applaud you for keeping your cool. I relate so much to your wife because it seems like she was just like what and like lost in mind, like gloves off,

like what do to say? Right? You were super cool, Like I was amazed at like how chill you were, but you did say something funny where you were like you're the same weirdo that you were fifteen years ago, which I think every week that I just wonder if like there was some response to that that we didn't see, because I just kind of rolled out when you said that. Yeah, dude,

it was it was priceless. He came back with like trying to throw some more low blows at Ashley and I, and it just got to the point where I just looked at him and I said, Spencer, go kick rocks bro like you're you're it's not even worth our time, you know, And that's really where it was at is it was very frustrating. It was very hard to try to stay in that state of mind. But I just constantly had to keep saying to myself like, he's not worth it, He's not worth it. Stay calm, stay cool,

stay clay. And I literally was just replaying that in my head because he's not you know, it's it's not and I know what the I think. That's what it comes down to is I know the truth. Uh, and I know where I'm at in my life and my journey, and I know where my family's at. I were very happy, very content, you know, not to sound contradicting. The real triggering factor of this is when you become open and vulnerable with somebody and they use use it against you.

It's it's just that's where I guess shame on me, right for expecting them to do other than what they did. Yeah, you should never weaponize someone's vulnerability. That's just not a cool thing. I have a theory, okay, and I'm just gonna throw it out there. You can you can engage, or you can let it pass. Justin Bobby and Brody are talking about the blow up like on the ski

mountain when they're like tubing or whatever. You know, Brody keeps on being like, well, you know, like Spencer's my boy, and you know, I don't want to get in the middle of it. And I'm sitting there thinking Spencer's got some dirt on Brody and he just doesn't want to get in the crosshairs and have that happened to him on TV. The rest of the cast, I really like, you know what I mean, So I'm not going to say that. You know, I really enjoy their company. They're

good people. I don't know what it is. I just think that the majority of the cast does not want to get in the middle of the wrap, whatever that may be. Because I mean, you hear that people say that often, is that they just don't want to be in the middle of it. Because the Prats are very, very resilient when it comes to wanting to get across

a message, whether it be true or not. I wonder if they're gonna be victims of their own circumstances, like they're gonna have a hand in building their own demise. It's very obvious that they very desperately want to stay in the spotlight. Their show is called like make Spidy Famous Again or what you know, It's very very obvious like what they're trying to do, and I applaud them for that, like they're very laser focused on it. They've been for a very long time positive affirmation for bad

behavior in their mind. How to continue to be on this show and continue to be relevant on the Hills is to constantly kind of like stir up drama. I wonder if eventually people are gonna be like, dude, you can't be on this thing if you're not friends with any of us anymore, Like it doesn't make any sense, you know. But I think it's also gotten to a point though, where it's it's very apparent to me, like really looking and sitting back and seeing this is like

it's sad, man. I mean, they're they're sick, sick, lost individuals. I mean that's the way I see it. I mean I really feel bad for them, um, just based on what you're saying and what they're doing to try to gain that attention. Like my heart, honestly, like my heart goes out to them because I feel like they're very lost. It's taking me a long time to get to that place, um,

you know, to really sympathize with that. But after looking at it, it's like I I hope them, well, you know, I mean, I know where I'm Gonna I know where I'm drawing my boundary in my line of what I'm willing to engage and connect with them on, but which is is not being around them and not it's too toxic, you know, but I do feel for them. It's, uh, it's almost like there there's an addiction that's line within

what they're dealing with. Yeah, there's some projection that's going on with kind of like all their accusations and vitriolit they spit. Have you heard all the stuff that they're saying about everybody on their podcasts? And I mean they're just talking to you about everybody who they going after the hardest. I assume you right. Actually me, Caroline Caitlin, I guess they were talking Actually just texted me a

little bit ago. I forget the show that the protortist on, but they're talking prap about how you know, fake Justin is and how they probably rented a paramount you know, uh location for him to film his childhood home. Which that was the most real and authentic thing I think I've ever been a part of on any any show,

from Gonna Beach or The Hills. That was like the real deal that those people really knew his mom, really knew his his siblings, and I mean, they're just throwing shade where It's just like, dude, not only is is you're making such false accusations, It's it's like, what is your point behind it? What are you trying to prove by saying those types of things. It's like they live in such a false like false reality that they don't even know what is true and false anymore. Yeah, they

live in their own like echo chamber. At this point. The whole like blocking of people on social media is kind of stupid and silly, but also like kind of where we are in the world. I assume you have been blocked. Oh, of course, has everyone been blocked? I'm sure at some point I think that they you know, I'm sure there's a good chunk of them that are blocked now. But i'd have to ask everybody where they stand.

But it's not the really the top of our priority list, because I think, actually they blocked me and I've never even met that. I've just did a show with the sister. One point. I remember thinking like, yeah, this is the oddest behavior, But well, it's funny you say that because we're all this like where everything turned with them is again, as we were cordial with them going into the second season, but Ashley did Stephanie's hair and she posted about it

and everything got super weird after that. Like so, I mean, I don't know how deep that issue is, obviously it seems very deep, um, but it seems like that's where the tables turned, is when Ashley did Stephanie's hair. So I'm sorry that that happened to you. I'm sorry it happened on television for the world to see, but I'm just proud of the way that you handled it. I don't think a lot of people would have been able to keep as cool under pressure as you were able

to do. No, I appreciate that, man. But again, I think that this goes to anybody that's out there that you know, is struggling or that has recovery, that you can, you know, find a life of happiness and you can be content and be comfortable in your own skin. And I think that's you know, the where I was at when that happened was a true testament to having a program that was in place. I'm grateful because that's not how we were responded. When I'm under the if was

under the influence had been totally different. Let alone, if I didn't work a program, it was rewarding, you know, it was it wasn't even hard to watch. It was more of I was able to look at it as like, I'm I'm proud of where I'm at, you know, I was able to kind of take a negative situation and

look at the positive. The one thing that like kind of kind of frustrates me about this reality show in particular is that, at least from like the world in which I come from, generally there's a hero edit and there's a villain edit. And I feel like, in this episode it's supposed to be the Pratts getting the villain edit, but then the next scene is them like cleansing their chakras with some like witch doctor who's banging drums and stuff. There was a little bit of me it was like,

don't let them off like that. That's not right. If anyone should be doing that, it should be Jason and Ashley getting a couple's massage or something. You should be filming that. And that was something that just kind of but right, you know, we saw that, and we had no idea what this how I was going to pan out after you know it was shot, and to show that after it was it was just like come on, you know what I mean, it was it was. It was annoying. It sucks because I think the night could

have been so much fun. Murder Mystery dinner parties are really really fun and funny and you get to see people's just weird side. And I love Brandon so much, like he is kind of becoming my new favorite character

on this show. There's a part of me that was like Brandon's like, this is my audition, full theater, and he came in like Mr Peanut, but like doing like this weird Swedish accent, and I was losing my mind and I was like, I know that this is like a serious night and we have to focus on like Jason and Spencer's fight, but like I just want to hear Brandon, like do more of this accent in like interview, get the more the backstory, Just tell me it was as funny as it seemed on my TV. It was

better it was. That was the problem, is that whole night was actually really fun. I mean because we it was we shocked for a while before we went into that dinner scene, and you know Brandon, I mean everybody justin every single person was in character. It was fun to watch that. I wish they would have highlighted that more, but I mean, Brandon was priceless. He actually stayed through character into the next day. I mean this because he was so you know, so so so pumped on this

this Olympic skier role. And we we still joke about it till the till this day. I'm with you on that. He is the person I've gotten closest to through this whole series. And you know, somebody I say in touch with were actually golfing on Monday, and he is a good dude, and I wish they showed more of that side of him. It seems like it's too bad it happened when it happened, because it looked like a like a really funny thing. Why don't you decide to do

the painting exposition and not go skiing? Honestly did? I was so mentally just kind of burnt out after that, actually, and I didn't get the best night's sleep, and it was something where we just wanted to stay close to the hotel and just be more relaxed and dude, art, it's a good form of therapy. Man, It's a good way to calm the nerves. It's something that I've I've done in the past. I don't know, it's an arts chill. I was just kind of over just being around the

group for that moment, you know. It was It's again nothing towards anybody. It was just more of a mental place for me or I wanted to just do some self care and just you know, have no no chaos. Was the group surprised at all that the Pratt's left the next day? I'd say the majority of the cast knew there, knew where they were going to leave, and or wanted them to leave. And then there was a couple of people that wanted to you know, their bomb

that they left. Kind Of going forward into the episode, Caitlin was kind of commenting on the Adrina Brody of it all, and she said something that I thought was like really astute. She was just like, Audrina has got a kid, you know, wants to find a husband and a father, and she's with a guy who I can tell from personal experience doesn't want either of those things. Are you buying this whole relationship or is it just

like a fun showmance now, dude. I mean there's such a long history there between those two, you know what I mean, Like, I I think there's definitely a showmance, and I think that I think there's always been some you know, chemistry over the course of the years on and off between them. I mean, I don't know how deep it goes, but it's it seems like there's there's something they're going forward in the show. Because obviously you know what happens, and I don't want you to spoil anything,

but like our fences mendedn't for people? Or is there just now like a big rift in the group? Oh knows, I didn't. I didn't, Spencer apologized to No, I'm just kidding, bro. I mean, no, there's a huge rift Brothers. It creates the biggest wedge ever. You know, they're the last people that will ever take ownership or accountability for what was said. Um, and it's uh, it's it becomes a part of it becomes a problem, you know, it really becomes a problem. And uh, and how this moves forward? So is this

now the storyline? There's there's some twist and turns. I mean, you know, there is a part of it that is there is a gap that is created between the group, but you also get to see who tries to make things right and who doesn't. Uh, And you know, I think there's some really cool things that are coming up that really can shed light and bring some attention in other areas that haven't been broughten on yet, if that

makes sense. I'm excited to see Justin Bobby's It was like tease that he has this conversation with his father and it looks like Justin Bobby's maturing or evolving or growing. I'm excited to see his storyline because I feel like, you know, he's been this kind of like sage advice guy for a while and it's almost like he's just kind of avoiding drama just because he doesn't want to be involved in all of it. But I want to see more of him because they do feel like he

is a very like compelling character. Justin is one of the most This season was incredible, incredible to you know, film with him. I learned more about him this season than I have over the you know whatever, the fifteen years of our friendship. I mean even for me just to kind of see how this onion be peeled back. You know, there's there's a a really really cool story behind it, and to see where he's at and where he goes through the rest of the season is empowering him.

And I have a couple other cool scenes that I'm really excited about and hopefully they'll you know, shed some light and bring awareness to substance abuse some mental health. Like it's a tough two episodes in a row for the Wall or Clan. If this show continues on, are do you still want to be a part of it or are you starting to get a bad taste in

your mouth from it? You know, great question, man, It's uh, it's one of those things where I think, for me, like what what would keep me going for this is the amount of people this is impacting because we've had a large number of people reach out that have uh

struggled and or are struggling. And that was one of the biggest part of the reasons why I originally wanted to go back on the show is to show that you can't change your life and that you can, um, you know, you can obtain recovery and find a like a life that's worth living and UM and I think a lot of that is starting to come to fruition. Obviously, there's you know, there's some areas of question because of you notice, our own sanity and what we're willing to

put ourselves uh into. But uh, I couldn't decide one way or the other right now, you know, I think that's really where it is. But I mean, at the end of the days, I know, I think that we are making a uh you know, we're smashing stigma, we're raising awareness, and uh we're bringing light to recovery, which was ultimately the goal. If you were an EP on the show, what would you have the show focused on more than it already does. I mean, and all honestly,

I'd bring back Kristen number one. Cavalery is the first thing I would do. And I would dive more into the more personal things that people are going through. I mean, even just like Frankie had an incredible story this year with you know, with COVID working in the nightlife industry, his whole world was turned upside down and what he had to do to pivot and how it affected his family. I mean, there was things in there that I think a lot of people could have related to. I think

going a little bit deeper into people's relationships. I think because there are a lot of the cast of have some things that are relatable to what a lot of people have gone through, and I think it'd be interesting. I mean, that's kind of would be my thoughts. The more raw and authentic it can be, the better off

always is. And I think again, as the cast has gone through a lot over the course of the years, especially the last year a year and a half, and that there's a lot of things that they could focus on if you were you know, in the edit ban and you could change things. What's something that you wish

the show didn't focus on so so heavily. I mean, I think a lot of how the story was created about Ashley and the way that she, you know, is was conveyed about, you know, being so you know, nagging almost that it made it seem like towards Heidi and Spencer's drinking and stuff, that's not really what transpired. I think there was a lot more backstory to that. It made actually look, you know, more like she was pitching a lot about situations when when it was just it

was really edited that way. So I think it would have been nice to have a lot of the conversations and the things that were said be conveyed to have actually say the things that she's saying, to really have a clear understanding of the storyline, if that makes sense. And I also think that we could have done without Sean Stewart's dating scene. I thought that is uh something that could have not been there. But that's just my opinion.

I deal with this a lot where someone will come off a show and say, I got a really bad edit. They made me look X, Y and Z. That annoys me because it's really, really, really hard to create a storyline that didn't exist if people weren't talking about it or you weren't saying it or doing it. When you watch the show back, it looks like Spencer and Heidi like to drink. It seems very very evident that that is something that's happening every time they go out on

that note. Real quick, if I may. It's like, we don't get more power to you. We don't care if you drink or not. I mean, and again, as we're entitled to our opinion. If you are drinking and you know, morning, day and night, and you become annoying, that's our opinion. We're not judging you. I mean, that's this when we're around you. It's something that obviously it's going to impact us, and we're gonna have our own thought process around it.

But we're not trying to, you know, say you're a bad parent, or any of these other things that they were manifesting or thinking that we said. It was just no, there was no truth to that. Well, I'm sorry about the episode last night. I'm sorry you had to go through it, but I'm glad that you kind of came out of it. My last question is are you still blocked by uh by the Pratts or do you know, are you able to d M them or not? Oh dude, no, I uh, I'm sure I'm still blocked. I haven't even looked.

But it's all good. It's all good. You know, I still have their number, maybe they maybe they haven't blocked me, so I can shoot him a phone call. Yeah, So there was no text message sent out because you know, that was that was something that Heidi said. She was like, well, you know, Audrina has my number, she can call me.

So you understand that, like if you felt like you were wrong that someone should reach out to you, so they'd never reach out to you being like, hey, you know, I had too much hosy querable last night and things got out of hand and I apologize. No, no text from the Pratts Man. You know, I'm not holding my breath either. What's going on in your life before I let you go? What can I help you promote? No, dude, I think the main thing that you know is the

transition with the with the newborn baby. We got Wyatt who's been here for three weeks now, and just being there for for Ashley and Delilah and helping in every facet that I can, and you know, just still working on the Red Soburg Foundation and stuff with the Los Angeles Mission and helping those that are struggling out there. That's the biggest thing that I'm doing, um, is trying to get people on a path of recovery. And that's just where it's at, you know, family gotten recoveries where

I'm at right now. Bro, two kids? Bro? What the hell happened? God bless you? Bro? Yeah? Man, Well, I love you, man. It's always fun catching up with you. Good luck with the rest of the season. Obviously, You're always welcome. You honestly should just take over the show. I don't know why I do it. Let's go play golf sometime, Let's go hang out, let's get together. Man, welcome back. It sounds like everything's going good with you

and I appreciate you having us on. Seriously. Yeah, good talking with you, man, and um, we'll see you later, bro, later Bro Jason is awesome. Man. Okay, so quick break and then when we come back, we're gonna do a catchup on CS two key. That's right, care from CS to key right here on the Wells Cast, don't go anywhere al right, back in the Wells Cast. One of the newest stars of c S two key. It's Care on the show. How are you good? How are you?

I'm fantastic, I'm I'm happy to have you on. Just right off the bat, how are we feeling just watching yourself on television? Like every week? Oh god, I think everyone's in a grant that it's so cringe e to watch yourself, like whether it's a good scene, a bad scene, or blacked out that's even worse. But it's experience, you know,

it's really something. I don't love it, but you know what you need to do is you need to figure out a way to you know, move yourself up in the ranks to where you're not the one getting blacked out. You're the one getting people blacked out by serving them bad drinks. And then it's actually quite fun to watch on television. Take it from me. You know, I'm learning. I gotta chill out on the hard alcohol. Can't. Can't pre game with the whole bottle of shardoning. I'm getting there.

Do you have like drinking restrictions on your shelf? We didn't until very recently. We do. Now we get a drink ticket at parties. I think we're allowed three drinks, but I mean I feel like we get around that, you know, So you get three drinks is interesting because on the show that I do, I'm allowed to give them two drinks an hour. They come with like a watch and they're like, it's seven oh two, it's time for another round. So you guys only get like three

drinks like per shoot. Yeah, if I'm remembering correctly, So we're getting literally drink tickets now that we have to give to the bartender. Yeah, we can use those as we wish, but I try to spread mine now. But a lot of people drink before three games are happening, so coming on that there's blasts hidden away in places that they shouldn't be hidden. Yeah, it's always tough because there's always like a little bit of anxiety when it comes into like filming reality, and like a drink or

two like kind of knocks the edge off. But then you're always kind of like straddling the line of being a little too loosey goosey and then making real bad decisions or really great TV. It just depends on what happens. I suppose it's actually pretty hard to find that line. Let's talk about your arrival. I feel like it caused a lot of drama. And I know because I've done enough shows that like sometimes like perception isn't reality. But

did you feel unwelcome? Um, So I've told people this before I went into the whole situation, like coming to the island, I was pretty optimistic about it, which is rare for me. Everybody knows I'm really not optimistic about anything. But I was like, it'll be fine, Like I haven't seen these people in so long, Like people will be happy to see me. When I got there, and even toil medicine that I was like, yeah, like I have

good intentions, like everything's gonna be fine, like whatever. When I got there, I felt extremely unwelcome, just because so many people had problems with the fact that I was even there and now I'm here, stuck on an island with all these people that apparently hate me for leaving or hated me before. Who he knows anymore, but um, yeah, I felt extremely unwelcome. It was really uncomfortable for a while there. So like Garrett's new girlfriend gets like kind

of aggressive. Did you feel like that was like unnecessary or valid? I mean, I knew, I thought to myself coming to the island. I was like, I know, Garrett's new girlfriend is there, Like I'm going to be nice to her. I'm sure she's gonna be uncomfortable with the situation, Like I would hate that too if I were her. So I really, as I said, like only good intentions.

I heard she was really nice, so I was like, yeah, of course I'm going to be nice to this girl, like there's no reason for me to go out of my way and be rude. So the second I sat down and she started attacking me, her like five ft one self, trying to like defend Garrett, which also I had no idea why Garrett and I had issues. Um yeah, that was extremely irritating, and everybody thinks I'm like such a bit and I'm so rude, But it's like, why am I going to be nice to people that are

not nice to me? If you're initially not nice to me, I'm not gonna be nice. I just don't know what everyone expects, you know. Yeah, people just don't understand like the position you're put in, like to be like sat there in front of like Garrett and his new girlfriend and them having so many problems with me that I had no idea about. It was always weird. Are you on good terms with Garrett? Now? We are? So in the last night's episode, we kind of like, I guess

I apologize at the end of the conversation. The conversation started with me like, again, I'm not really sure why we had problems, Um, but I guess I heard him towards the end of our relationship and didn't realize it or really I think I just didn't really care. Like my whole thing is like we've both moved on, like we're both with different people. So I just I didn't understand like the relevance of even having a conversation about

like past things. Um, but he's just a lot more emotional than I am, which is hard for me to sympathize with sometimes, But I got there in the ends. We know that like you and Madison are on good terms. I guess my question is, like, where do you stand with like the rest of the group, I'm on good terms with Madison, Kelsey, Juliet, Georgiana, Amanda, and I think her on the fence. Maybe she's coming around to being

friendly with me. Maybe not, I'm not really sure. Uh, Kenna not really friendly with don't really care to be friends with her. Who else is there? Oh, Cloly, Clelly, that's a whole nother situation. Not not friends, not even close to friends. Any opportunity in the future for you guys to become friends? Um no. I I have said this multiple times. I don't see a world where her and I are ever friends again, and I'm thoroughly happy with that. What is your on the Kelsey Juliet drama.

That's interesting. I was just talking to Jordana about this yesterday, so I know that Kelsey has no plans to ever be friends with Juliette again, and I was saying to Jordana. I was like, that's gonna be hard, just because like they're gonna be around each other all the time, Like eventually they're gonna be friends. And then I thought to myself, I was like, wait, I feel this way about Chloe, like never want to be friends with her again, but

like we're gonna be around each other. So I think Juliet and Kelsey like staying there, staying apart, staying there separate ways. It's been working for them. I just don't know how long it's going to work for them because of the situations they're going to be put in, and when it comes to more specifics of like Juliet slapping Kelsey in the face, I don't think there's any room to defend Juliette on that end at all. Like on last night's episode where Amanda is trying to defend it.

The whole time, it's like just I think, sit down, shut up, and listen, because I just don't if you defend that kind of behavior, you looked done. So if you had to pick sides, who would you pick? Oh? Come on now, I can't. Throughout the season, there's been like a lot of talks surrounding Juliette being with Sam for to rip off a bachelor cliche for the right reasons. Do you think that she's only with him for the

money or do you think it's like true love. So when I first heard Slash saw them together, I think I had the same opinion as everyone else, like the whole money reasons type of thing, but they like comparing Juliet and Alex and Juliete and Sam, Juliette and Sam were like very happy. Sam's a really good guy. He's really good to her. He's so kind and generous as a whole, and I think he makes her a kinder person. So as of now, I feel like I think it's

it's a real relationship. I think they're doing well. I'm sure they have their explosions and blow ups because of how different they are personality wise, But besides that, I think I think they're pretty solid. Do you foresee yourself like staying with the show like the long haul? Like are you not going anywhere? Or is it one of those things when you start watching yourself back you start getting like a little, I don't know, fatigued of the whole rat race of doing reality TV. If there is

a long haul for the show. I'd be happy to be a part of it. This time around, I'm like far more comfortable with the cast. I'm better friends with everybody, Like I feel good filming. I think production is grown a lot since I was here two years ago. So yeah, I don't know. I'm and watching myself as like really awkward and cringeing, but I'm like, you know what, at least I'm honest with who I am and what I'm doing. So even if I like that's okay, I'm still honest

about it. I'm just gonna own my shop cards on the table. That's my thing. Subtracting yourself from the show when you watch it back as a fan, is there anyone that you think kind of gets like a bad edit or a bad rap that's actually much different than they are in person? And then like adversely, is there anyone who you're like, they always look so good and they're not that awesome? Yeah, that's funny you ask that.

I think that Kelsey isn't portrayed on the show as she really is, or it's just like it's kind of off because I know she gets a ton of hate um Instagram and like fans that I meet, a lot of them have like not good things to say about Kelsey, and I'm like, I don't really get it, but I guess from a fans point of view, there's just like a lot of catty bullshit going on with her life and situations that she's put in, So I think she's

a lot. She's great in real life, she's great in person, but people seem to really hate her on the internet outside the show. What do you like? What are you doing? What are you promoting? What do you want listeners of this show to know about you? Um? From starting nursing school, That's the thing people already know. I'm also working on a jewelry line right now. It's started off as all like lower and affordable stuff up, but now I'm starting to get another, like higher end line, so I'll have

the best of both worlds. UM currently working on that. I'm not sure when it's gonna launch yet, but relatively soon in the next few months. I'm very excited about it. I'm wearing a couple of my things now. Um, but yeah, people will see see some of that on the next season. People want to follow you, where do they go? My handle on Instagram is just Carriage as welly. I don't think I have like any I don't have a Twitter. People are sew me in on Twitter. I do have

a TikTok. I don't make them, but I'm an avid TikTok watcher. Also Carriage as well anything. Thanks so much for being on the Wells Cast. It's been a delight to talk with you. Everyone out there. Go watch The Has The Key Wednesday nights, eight pm Eastern on MTV. Is there anything that I didn't ask you that you want to talk about before I let you go? Um? Nothing I can think of. I think you've You've hit all the points. Well, enjoy the rest of your day

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