From the Window to the Wahler

Waller's joining us in just a minute. She just had a baby and there was a lot of drama in the episode this week, so we definitely want to talk. So happy we have her because this was such a big episode for her with all the Jason stuff and Spencer and I want her take on Audrina and Brody and literally totally agree with you. So I had to start because look, with the Hills, sometimes things can be let's say, manipulated. So I was like, is this Adrena

Brodie thing fake? Is this thing real? And I started googling it and like it might be real. So I have two thoughts. First thought is I love it. I do really like them together. I think they are both kind of like bad, not bad, but um, edgy is the right word. The both edgy. They're both very good looking. Um, I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet, to be completely honest with you. And then my second thought is Brodie really needs to do something with his hair. Sorry, how to

say it? How to say it? I have on my notes to ask Ashley about Brodie's hair. But wait, let's let's talk about this for a second. So Kristen and Brodie are going on the beach walk and Audrina is in the car. They don't show her, but they showed her enough, so we see her in the car. Okay, what? And then that was so weird? And I love Kristen and I love Kristen and Brodie. So when Kristen said are you gonna kiss me? Which I thought he was, I actually thought he was, then I was like, is

this so weird now? Because of Adrena, Like what is happening? I think Kristen is single, ready to mingle, so she's kind of like, whoever wants to kiss me, I'm down for it, you know. So I think she was like, let's kiss Brody? Why not? Wanted them to kiss, and then I thought it was so like Brody to be not You're not getting that yet, and it's just like, oh my god, what is happening. That's when I started the deep dive to find out is Audrina and Brodie a real thing? I don't know, Like you don't you

just don't know. The Internet sort of said, maybe I see it, I see it happening, and I see them actually being a very good couple. Happened to the blonde girl that was in San Diego? She just vanished, sure from San Diego, you know what I mean? The bathtub, which also was so obviously because Wells has been here and we've had actual legitimate guest host we haven't been

on the bathtub scene. Just to go backwards was a little uncomes for me, but whatever, But what happened to that girl seemed like things were going well for them and then she's just gone away and now it's Audrina. I feel like Brodie has a lot of bathtub scenes. I remember in the first season, remember with the dogs, the dogs in the tub with the dogs, and then he also had that really like shower scene that was kind of intense in the beginning of this season. But

I mean, Brodie's hot, so I'm okay with it. I don't know, I'm just the episode totally overwhelmed me. Also because it was super emotional. That's why I can't wait for Ashley to get on because there's so much to unpack. One, she's got her drama with Heidi. Now she's furious, which was relatable at Spencer, and she had to visit her dad, which was I actually cried. Yeah, that was super sad, very very sad. Um. I think we glazed over something that I need to like go back to that. Christin

Cavalery has the best style of that in my life. Like, oh, she's so epic. She is so fashionable it is insane. The black outfit and then even just the walking beach outfit, I'm like totally crush. It's so hard. And but what was that Airbnb? Sorry, that's the sweetest air and b Airbnb I've ever seen, Like, this is your rental anyway,

go home. But the whole you know what they're all talking about Brodie and Adrina hooking up, and Caitlin is just there and she's so sad, and then she confronts Adrina about it and She's like, you know, like, look like that kind of sucks for me. And Adrina was like, you know, I'm really close to Brodie blah blah blah. And I literally was like, Adrina, take the hand, girl, she's sad that you just worked up with her ex husband.

Like we can debate this though, because here's the thing, and look, I'm debating it as a devil's advocate because I'm not sure where I actually stand. Number One, Audrina did know him first. They were friends for a long time, so her loyalty obviously would be with Brody. So I got what she was sort of trying to say, even though she was saying it's so badly, she's saying like, look, i'm his friend. Also, it doesn't seem like anything has happened.

It seems like they just talk all night. Impact unless they're just lying to us, they're lying. They're totally lying. Spencer obviously feels like they're lying. Number two, This is the confusing part for me because we know that Caitlin has a boyfriend. We also know it's serious because we know now she's pregnant. So I had that sort of

like I know you're upset about this. In the moment, and I get it, But at the same time, you've got a serious boyfriend, even though you're downplaying it to Caroline. That's fair. But I don't think, especially with Adrina coming from divorce to I don't think she would be too thrilled about Caitlin hooking up with her, you know what I mean, and talking about it in front of her so like, although although Caitlin had some flirty moments with

JB this season far, Audrina saw that her nose. I have no problem with Adrina flirting hooking up with Brody. They're both single, like why not. But in that moment when Caitlin came to her, she should have been like, hey, I get why that sucks for you. I'm sorry that you felt that way, and move on from it, you know. I think that's what Caitlin was asking for. I don't think she was like, don't hook up with my ex.

She was just kind of being like, yo, that sucked for a second, and she kind of just glanced over it. I think Caitlin, rightfully so had hurt feelings and felt like poopy just being there while everyone was talking about it, and just sort of was like the girl in the

corner going who sucks? You know what I mean? So I'm sure she sort of felt it from everybody, and then she just happened to be the one talking to Audrina about it, and Audrea acknowledged in that confect chinals or whatever they call those things, that she messed it up and felt bad. Yeah. So then I was like upset without Dana for like five minutes, and then the confessional and I was like, okay, I startup, was like, this is so awkward. I don't even know if it's

anyone's fault. Did you see them like poof Caitlin like in her confessional or whatever those things are. What are those things called interviews whatever? Professionals? Yeah? Yeah, when they just made her disappear, I think we have actually in the waiting room. Great, okay, bringer can I have so much to ask her about? Hi? Hi? Are you god? How do you look this beautiful? What is happening? How

do you look? So we apologize because Wells is finishing filming at a secret location, so you're stuck with all his producers. But no, that's great, I love it, trust us. We are ready to talk about that episode. But how do you look this good? For people that don't know you literally had a baby, like yesterday, what is happening? What is two weeks ago? And it's because I think, um, well,

I my husband has been tremendously helpful. Thank goodness, because now I have two children, and both my kids were up last night, so that was a little difficult. But I have the best nanny in the whole wide world that's been with us since my daughter was literally one, and um she's like family to us, and so she I pumped. I like prepared myself. I was like, okay, because I breastfeed, so I beat every two hours almost onto me. End okay, I'm gonna get up. He was

really good this morning. He sleeps a lot during the day. He just loves to sleep. It's totally different than my daughter because she cried until she was six months old. She had really bad call up. So I feel like this is so much easy child. Yeah, I will tell you the first week was horrific. I couldn't even walk for the first week. I mean I was like almost a ten pound baby I delivered. That's what I was gonna say. I was gonna say, like, if I have a cold, I can't function, and you like howd a

human come out of your body a week ago? Basically you look amazing. Also in the episode this week, you looked amazing and it was this wasn't like I don't know what the words are, because it was emotional this heart first, very like touching scene. We are so sorry because the loss was tremendous and to do that on camera and be so vulnerable and just real the way you just spoke to your dad and it was it.

I was crying like that was then the juxtaposition from that too, Heidi, and then at the end of the episode finding out what Spencers. I mean, there's so much this was your episode, truly and can I just tell you and I'll tell well, I was on the show, but like so when I went on that so I'm from fulsome it's like a really small town. It's like

two hours outside of Tahoe. So we had a cabin there my whole life, and we drove Adrina and I took the drive to go to the cemetery because I said, I know, it's like not that close, but it's close enough to where I gotta go see my dad, Like I just haven't been there through the pandemic anything. And so it was like, this was my opportunity. I really wanted to show like that side of my life and more about me, and you know, it was really important to me. So I asked the production I was like,

I really want to see my dad. Can we make this happen? They were like sure, Like that'd be great, Let's make it happen. And I hadn't talked to Jason the whole day because he had been snowboarding, so I literally had no idea about the conversation. I've been crying like all day, talking about Drena, about my family and everything that had happened, and you know, we were having like a really heartfelt conversation. And then I literally walk into our room and producers are already there. So I

literally had no idea that this had happened. Because Jason was taking an app. I tried calling him when I was had gotten service back through the mountain, and he didn't answer, and so I was like, Oh, it's probably exhausted. He's been snowboarding all day. I walk into my room and that was the first time I had seen him, So I had no idea about all this stuff that Spencer had said. So it was I was so emotional.

I was like, I'm literally gonna I'm gonna lose my mind, like I'm gonna fight somebody, because it was just you're in such a holt mode after all that emotion, especially on camera, it's just so physically draining and talking all this stuff. It's like reliving everything and pregnant. And then walking into that room and hearing that, I was like, are you kidding me right now? Like what are they thinking?

Like that was what was saying. That was what was so sort of intense and powerful about that that conversation. And I'll call it a scene because as viewers were watching it like a scene, your anger was real, and then your fragility or you went into tears. It was like, because you're tough actually like you are, You've been through a lot. You're really strong, so we admire that and see that in you. But you were breaking down at

the same time. So you were super ballsy and tough like this is unacceptable, and at the same time we saw your like heartache and sadness and just your love for Jason and your compassion. Every emotion was in that Will you just tell us more about like what you were experiencing Oh my. I mean I think it was almost like an out of body experience because I feel like that's fine, come after me if you want, but you come after my husband, who is literally a saint on the show. And I know I have not been

a saint. I get that I'm very outspoken a lot

of times. I have zero filter. I haven't had as much program as my husband, who's been like in out recovery for thirteen plus years, you know, so he is so much more grounded than me when it comes to triggering moments where he knows how to take those moments and like pause and my pause button was broken, so in that moment, there's so much hurt because it's yeah, it's basically like in a sense, it was it's like, Okay, last season, Hidi and Spencer and I had gotten pretty close,

like they were the first friends that I had actually met on the show, and Hidie and I became really close during that time, and so hearing that from it

was just like so below the belt. They literally called us, like last year during the pandemic, one of their employees was struggling and so Jason had helped them and like try to get them into a treatment stility, and you know, like he's such a stand up guy that I just couldn't handle somebody talking badly about my husband, especially during a pandemic when I know it was the hardest time ever for him to stay sober, right, And I feel like the timing was poor. Yeah, and you see this

every day. You know, you're with Jason every single day, every hour of the day. You know what he's going through and how strong he is. And for somebody who sees him, you know, maybe during filming twice a week, that sucks because you're like, you don't know that, you don't know. The belt is a great description for it, because it did feel that way, like this isn't a joke,

This isn't something to do like gossip about. This is real and you guys have been through hell and back and it And my question is was it all bs? Is this just bs? We know from some of the teasers that Jason had had a couple, you know, hiccups will say, but was it was it a year before? Was it was it was last year that he had relapsed? But the thing is so interesting is I feel like Heidi and Spencer, they try so hard to get below the belt. But Jason and I are such open books,

like they don't have anything on us. They say that they have receipts on people, which is why people are so threatened by them, because they are they are malicious and he is vindictive, like he is the kind of person where if he finds out dark information about you, he will ruin you. My open and I don't care who are like we literally are an open book. You want to say something about us, fine, like yeah, I

think they were on a podcast or something. They've blocked all of us so I don't see any of their stuff. But they had said something like, oh, they've changed so much last year. Action was doing kig stands and like they almost were breaking up, and I'm like, well, yeah, thanks for making me seem less of a square like I was doing to be like it awful boring, Like I'm so boring, You're just the MoMA. And I like to drink and I liked a good time. I actually

have a lot of fun. And there's a lot of editing that went into place because everybody was drinking and everyone was having a great time. But there's at least that friend that like when they drink they try and get an arguments with you, which they didn't air any of the stuff. Like so last season when we first started filming, which was at last season, it was like

in February, and the timeline is confusing. We understand, right, right right pre pandemic and Jason I were in a really horrible place, like we were on the verge of divorce and I was I was partying. It was like Brodie's beach party. It was my birthday. I got wasted. It was not a good moment for me, which is why Hoty was saying, like, oh she was doing cake stand. She changed so much. It's like I hope people would change after a pandemic. I mean if you don't, I

don't understand. I mean everyone's lives were completely looked upside down. So if you didn't change, I don't dare you to loof to what happened in the world. Do you live in your own bubble? I don't understand. So I'm very happy I changed after the pandemic because it made me realize, like, Okay,

my business got shut down. In a hair stylist, I couldn't work for you know months, um, my husband and I are all at home, we're trying to figure out our relationship or when to therapy every single solitary week. So during that time, I wasn't really in contact with a ton of people. A dream and I would talk and Hidie and I would talk every now and then.

But when my salon opened back up, Stephanie reached out to Jason because she boxed out her Stephanie Pratt Spenserer sister and they hated her by the way like she is, like they don't speak about her, We're not allowed to say her name because otherwise and they do this like cancel thing where it's like, okay, if you don't say if you don't like somebody and you don't talk about them,

then they won't make it on the show. How do you use to tell me that, Like, if you don't like somebody and you don't want them to be on the show, just don't talk about them because then they won't make the cut. Like she was the one that originally told me that, So I know that they were trying to do that with the Stephanie situation. So I did Stephanie's hair during the pandemic because she was desperate and I'm not in the I'm not in the business

of like trying to fix family relationships. I'm in the business of making money. Like, so we came in amos, paid three dollars for a hair I mean, she's a client. So she comes gets her hair done. I fix it, and she found out and was livid. Like when she found out that I did her hair, she was like, Okay, that's it, Like I'm that's the moment when we started filming again that she started treating me differently. So we

went to San Diego together. That's the first time I had seen her, and she kept acting so bizarre to me, like she wasn't being kind to me. The first night, we're sitting down at dinner, which they didn't air this. The first night we're sitting there at dinner, we were with all the girls, and she looks at me, you know, after drinking, and she's like, I have a problem with you. And we're like, okay, what's the problem, And she's like, I'm not going to tell you. It's an unreliable source.

So then of course it doesn't make the cut because they can't have a story about something that nobody wants to talk about why they have a problem with you, and the whole entire time and seeing Ego, she was just acting so weird to me. It was like she was angry at me and she was like being so wild and drinking a lot. But it wasn't even that she was drinking a lot, is that she was trying

to start with me the whole time. Like she's one of those friends where when she drinks a lot, she like hits you, you know, or like tries to like dance on you, and you're just like, can you just go away? It's kind of physical, like physical kind of like just yes, you're very physical, or she just tries to start something. And it was to the point where I was just getting annoyed because I'm like, well, what's your problem with me? If you have a problem with me,

just tell me. Everyone at the table sitting there, like what's your problem with her? And she's like, I'm not telling you. It's like okay, so she's not telling you because she doesn't want to say the name on the table. Yeah, it seems very high school, you know. Yeah, all of this seems like in sort of crazy town to me, like there's so much to break down with all this. Also, the behind the scenes So is this sort of the start of the issue. This is the start, And mind you,

before this had happened. This is why I was really upset, because before this Sandio trip had happened, and I found out on the Standio trip they had the girl's night that I didn't go to the night that the guys were doing, like poke night I was watching Delilah and a girl's Night. It was so insane, like her nanny I guess blocked out in a bush like they were hammered, like it was out of control. And she told Jen in Jen's house that genders are so much better than Frankie,

and I was really pissed about that. So she just started saying shipped to people. That was just irking people the wrong way, And of course they obviously didn't air that either. Actually does this come do you think? And I know you're sort of we're just being armchair therapist here, but is it to get attention in the press, get attention for the show, or is it coming from like where? Like what's the why? I honestly have no idea. I

really don't understand. I think a part of it too, like I think, she commented yesterday on Twitter someone MTV wrote like a real, real friendship, and then she wrote like fake friendship for me and Antrina, which is just so comical because Audrina and I live like fifteen minutes away from each other. We we like hang out a lot, we talk all the time, like we know a lot about each other. We are not just show friends, like we are genuine friends and we will be friends for

a long time. And she had mentioned on the show when we were in San Diego that she didn't really have a lot of friends, which was really heartbreaking to me, because Heidie is a really she is a good person deep down inside. It's just she's married to this and I swear that's why she is the way she is. And I don't mean that in like a total demeaning dick way, but it's like when Heidie's by herself, I

feel like she's a different person. The moment Spencer goes into her head and starts like twisting things in her brain, making her think things, then she gets to be like this vindictive, mean person too. It's so confusing to me. Ashley. Here's the other question, what do you make of the comments they made in the press recently or on their social media like the show is horrible or what was that like? And the cast just I'm curious because it's

just counterintuitive. Don't they want to keep doing it? I really don't know. I think a part of it is they've kind of isolated themselves from everybody because they have put themselves in this spot where they I don't know

if they feel like better than everybody or whatever. But we did have like a fun little premiere party and you know, everyone was invited except for them, and that that we like hosts like Caitlin's Friend hosted or whatever, and a lot of us have gotten really close, and that's I think maybe they feel a little bit like outsiders because a lot of us do hang out, Like I have a group text message with all the girls from the show except for her, and when I had

the baby, I immediately text them because they've become my friends and I really like them, and a lot of them have been there for me through, you know, besides just the pandemic, like there for me as you know, support in my life, really supportive of me and Jason, and I feel like it makes me sad a little bit because I know them a little bit and they I think that genuinely. They are good people, and Heidi's is very sweet. It's weird you can't figure out who

the real people are. I mean, that's kind of what I said in a lot of my interviews because I felt like last season I got to know this Heidi that was her Colorado down to earth hiking Heidi, and then this season it was like she had her makeup artist with seven, like touching up her makeup and butt cheeks at the beach. It was just so and I don't want to say the word fake. I guess I used fake, but it just didn't feel like authentically who

she was. It felt like she was trying so hard to be someone else, and it was just weird, you know. I just felt like, who is this person? What happened? You know? Yeah? Wow? I mean it's just so much. And then so you've got sort of the situation with Heidi where and I felt bad for Adrina because I don't think she had any intentions of causing She never does. She sometimes will drink a little bit and say something

and I'm like, what are you doing? Stump stump. Adrina is the sweetest, coolest person, Like she really is one of my favorite people. She's and she's a great friend and super loyal, so she's sort of gotten hot water. And well, actually, while we're on the topic, what was it like for you meeting Kristen because an old friend of Jason's from high school. I mean, they've known each other for so long, and that was your first time meeting two episodes ago at the party. Yeah, she's really

really cool. I mean I've only heard great things about her, and my husband loves her if he thinks she's like the coolest girl. So when I met her, she was really sweet, super nice. I mean, I love all of her stuff that she's doing. She's kind of like a little bit of an idol in my eyes, because we think she's like the rattest chick ever. She is done so tremendously and she cares so much about her kids.

I love, which is, you know, like it it's really amazing to see somebody that's in such a big spotlight. But then she decides not to show her kids and all the things that she does to kind of protect them, and I really admire that about her. She really is authentic. The person you see on camera is the person behind the scenes off camera. She's just cool, says what she feels, but she actually is so kind and nice and she's just a rad little chick. I thought she really added

a great sort of spice to the ground. I thought she was awesome. I mean maybe really, you know, it's you're in such a big group setting. I've never like sat down and had a real conversation with her anything like that besides just filming together. But she seems so down to earth. And I loved that Jason had said that, you know, she's the same girl that she was back in high school, which is awesome. You don't want to see people that change too much with fame and everything else.

And I thought that that was really commendable of him to say that about her. It just shows really her character and who she is as an individual. So I love that. So speaking of um, Kristen and Brody and Audrina, I'm just gonna say all three of them. Um. We see that like iconic scene where like Kristen asked Brodie, are you gonna kiss me? And He's like, you don't deserve that. Yeah. I literally was watching that and I was thinking, like, we are they gonna kiss? I literally

was like, this is really great. What's going on. I thought it was a great. I thought the whole thing was. I really wanted it too, but I I did, But then I was like, this might be so weird. What if they kissed and what's gonna happen. I don't know if they're good. We all felt it because it's like I do like him with Audrina. But then I also was like, oh I love him with Kristen. What's happening?

Like yeah, no, But I think we were talking about this a little bit before you joined, about the Brody and Audrina, and I'm shocked they hadn't hooked up before if they hadn't, you know, like they say they haven't, but they always say they hadn't. And I trust Audrina that she says that they hadn't, but it is so confusing, like I don't even know. I mean, honestly, she's always told me no, but I swear. I'm like, they do

have really, they do have really great chemistry. Last name was, when I was watching that back about the Caitlin things sitting at the table, I felt, really, yeah, yeah, we got to they always like Spencer and Hettie always do that to Brodie and Audrina though anytime we're together like Bernie and Andrena, you know, like they've been doing that for That's the confusing part, because it's like we want Brodie and Audrina to be together as fans, you know,

we've been watching this for so many years. It's like they would be great together. It was the one time where Spencer said something that I actually was like, we might be right, Like there must be more to this than we know. At the same time, you do feel bad for Caitlin, but in real life we know Caitlin is doing great and happy, so you're sort of like, Okay, I can go back to wanting Audrina and Brodie again. Yeah. Yeah, it's it is such like interesting pairing. But they have

like this weird, unspokeable connection. They do it like everything that they were saying is a hundred percent accurate. Like they do sit up and talk for hours and like who does that. That's like your soul mate, right when you for hours someone. He's such a good friend. I'm like, if they hadn't baby, settle down. If they had a baby, man, that child would be so good looking and so athletic.

I would love for Brodie to have a baby. I think a baby is kind of like what Brodie needs, you know, like Brodie at that point where he sort of is ready to like settle down. Maybe I don't know. It's I didn't get to know Brodie very well last season, and I did get to know him a little bit better this season, and I had um he he is a really sweet guy. Just his life is just so complicated. I can't imagine, like all the stuff that he's had to endure, like just being raised in an environment already

like with so much cloud. I guess I would say in a weird way, but you know, it's not an easy road, you know, so weird because we've known all of you for a decade, you know, or longer whenever The Hill started, because from behind the scenes, we've been interviewing you guys and spending time with you guys, and so we know everybody a little bit. And Brodie is a great guy. He does have a great mom, so I think, you know, I think I think he do

fine as a dad. It's just so complicated for you all the show and then the magnifying glass that is put on you. I mean, let's talk about your husband for a second, because we love him. He is great isn't.

It's so glad you guys like this last year has been so instrumental for him because he's become so much more confident in himself because of his recovery, Whereas last season, I don't think you guys got to see that because he was still struggling, So it wasn't like he was feeling so confident in his own self and who he was where he could actually voice his opinions or anything like that. And so this season I feel like you really get to see him exactly do because he looks great.

You can see it from the inside out. And Wells and Jason have had some amazing conversations over the last couple of years. And you know, obviously I've done so many things with Jason. He's such a good guy, like like the greatest. Honestly, his demons are there and they will always be there, but he is such a good guy. And you see it in the episode where they go with Justin Bobby two is old home and playing tennis. He's just a nice guy who has like a really

great heart. And so for you, like, I think that seemed to be some of the anger that you were experiencing when you found out what was happening, So like, how is your relationship right now? And just tell us a little about like what's going on, you know, the baby and just everything that's happening for the two of you. How is that watching that for him to sort of have to live that again? I think it was Well.

Next week's episode is going to be way earlier than this week's episode, so I think that one's gonna be a little bit more difficult for us to watch. This is just the beginning. Oh my god, wow, oh my god. Yeah, like it got really bad, like really bad. Like let's just say, I'm maybe hawd to be held back in certain situations. It's so weird because as talking to you more like you know, on a personal level, I don't want that for you, But as a viewer fan, like

I can't wait, do you know what I mean? It's such a weak thing because it's like it's so juicy, like we were talking about it's like I love it all. But then you're like, oh god, this is real, So how do you start? And that was so these last I mean all it's so hard because for Jason and I, like we are we play everything out end to who we are, because that's what we said in the beginning, like we're not going to really sugarcoat anything, like this is our life, this is our story. If they want

to see it, then whatever. I can't speak for everybody else and say that everything that they do is a true to who they are or whatever their storyline is or whatever. But Jason and I through and through like this, this was intense. I definitely had some PTSD after this Tahoe trip, that's for sure. Um So I think next

week it'll be harder to watch this. We actually watched the episode last night on the East Coast time at six o'clock and I was like feeding Wyatt and Delilah was watching and she really likes the show Spirit, so she's like, can we just watch Spirit? Like, oh my god, I think there's a new Spirit for her too. I think I was the greatest. It's I cried to the theater.

How's it? Going back to the It was amazing. My husband was like we Jason was like, we really need to go to Like I knew he would want to go to the bougie theater and I'm like, no, Like we are not starting her off and going to a bougie theater, Like we are going to the worst movie here we can find. We're getting crappy popcorn and like bunch of crunch and we're gonna dump them all in and like it's not gonna be Synopolis, you know, super fancy.

Because she's never been I don't know, I was gonna say so, was this her first movie in a theater? Her second? We went in two right before the Pandemic, but she was so young that she didn't really remember it. So when we went again, she loved it. She thought it was so cool, and you know, they did have the you know, they were climbed. I was, you know, speaking of pandemic. I am speaking of the pandemic and sort of because you guys were filming during it wasn't

the worst part. It was sort of you were coming out of the worst part there was. I don't mind the masks. There's something about it that's sort of sexy, Like how Kristin Cavalery made taking off a mask looks like and I sort of like that everyone's wearing them. How taking off the bra when you get home, you know, it's like, oh, how they got you all to Tahoe safely in a COVID bubble. I don't even. I couldn't even. I was trying to do the math. I'm like, did

they quarantine them? How did they do this? Like? So we literally got tested more than I could ever imagine in my lifetime. So did my whole family. The fact that we got to go was incredible. I'm so grateful. A lot of the places where we stayed like they didn't have anybody else at the whole hood. That's what I figured. I'm actually doing this podcast from Tahoe. I thought that was kind of fitting. And I'm intah, I

totally know that the landing. The landing is adorable. Where you guys, Yeah, so we had a cabin in Trucky like my whole life. Yeah, I'm right by Trucky right now. Yeah, Tahoe Donner is my favorite. I mean, little Chucky town is the best, the best. That's why I'm glad you said it was fulsome because I was trying to figure out, like where are they driving to? Like, where are they going? Where were you guys skiing? Was that heavenly? No, they

couldn't get heavenly. They had to do a private course. Yeah, so they had to drive like to Howard, you know, but it did look like you all were having fun. Skiing actually is a fairly safe COVID activity, so it's like you all got to sort of have a nice vacation. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was really nice. We did some other fun like activities when we were there, and it ended up snowing. It was so magical, So it was really fun and it ended up being like a really really

cool trip. But I'm so appreciative of the fact that we are so we were so fortunate, and I don't want to discredit that because everybody else was struggling so hard and here we are being able to work and film and the fact that the crew could be able to do I appreciate saying that, but at the same time, we're enjoying watching it, So I get why TV production works so hard to go back. So what now actually, Like that's my question, is like what happens now in

real life? And if you all film again, Like I know, there's still we've still got a ways to go before the finale of this season, but it's like intense and how do you sort of, I don't know, like interact with these people when there's these hard times or you just cut it off. You're like, I can't deal with this,

you know what. In senses, I cut it off. And then another sense is I have to realize, Okay, you're going to run into people the rest of your life regardless, So why don't we take this opportunity and figure out a way to coexist so we can show viewers how to deal with life on life's terms. I mean, that's really what it comes down to. You can't avoid people the rest of your life that you're on a show with. I wish it sometimes I could. But and you have

made really good friendships. I mean, I think just hearing about your relationship with Audrina, and I get it. She I'm friends with Audrina too, and I love her, I think, you know. So it's like there is some good that comes from you all having to kind of go through this strange Yeah. I mean, I will say, it's not like things are It's not like things are good between us and the products, right, I'm sure we'll see it

play out. It's yeah. I mean the fact that they're still speaking like so poorly about us, it's like, Okay, well I guess we're back at steff one. Yeah. Look, I think for for people that haven't discovered The Hills New Beginnings like do because it is a really good show, like it is, it's great television watching, especially now that we're in the summer. So, D can you make a prediction if you think you guys will be back? I can't get a read. I've been trying to like figure

it out from MTV. So we have not been told yet, and I'm hoping we will be because that's the thing, Like I do feel like finally, friendships are becoming so close that it would be really nice to see how they evolve. For instance, like Caroline and Caroline and I become really close, and Caitlin and I have become really close, and you know, I'd love to see how her pregnancy

plays out and everything else. I think her life is taking off in a whole another level, and I'd be really cool to see like that side of her life and what that looks like. And you know, I don't know if a lot of people know, but she's a writer and she writes some amazing stuff, and so seeing that side of her and you know, all that and Caroline and her pasta sauce and Jenn and Frankie you know, I love them and they have a love justin Bobby.

I'm glad that he sort of had his moment because we we only saw glimpses in the original Hills and now he really we really like him. I had Jason on last time, UM. Jason said that you and him are very very close to just justin now like that that's like a new kind of friendship that you guys have. I love them. He's so cool. It's been really nice. I think everybody feels that way about him this season because he really let his guard down and open it up to a lot of people. I think he felt

more comfortable as well. You know, everybody hadn't seen each other in a really long time from the prior season and then coming back and having the pandemic. I think it's like I was saying before in a few interviews,

it's weird. But when you have this like really shifting time in life, a lot of times you want to try and find people that have the same common ground as you and understanding like, wow, you went through this and I went through this, and like we all were hurting, so we're all kind of coming together to lean on each other because this is what our friend group is gonna look like, right, Like, we're not really hanging out with anybody else to expose anybody, so especially during this season,

because you were so locked tight that you didn't have normal life at the same time, and when you're having parties together, these are the friends you're partying with. These are the friends you're hanging out with. These are the friends you're lunching with, you know, and you're hanging out at each other's houses a lot because it was right you can't do anything filming at your homes. You're opening

up your homes to each other, you know. It was it was a different kind of vulnerability that I love. And that's what sucks is like I hate that Heidi and Spencer bashed the show so much about people being so fake and then like no one's being vulnerable and open. It's like, oh my god, actually show actually this episode look before we go, Like, I this episode was really powerful and I don't mean to like overstate it, but you were We saw so much of you. Your relationship

with your dad was really beautiful. To see you talking to him and telling him about the baby. I mean that was it was just you were so like transparent and just showing who you really are. I thought was very sweet of Audrina to go with you too. I really was like, wow, that was to me super cool. And then we see that you know, boss lady come out and it was you're really you're fiercely defensive of Jason, and I think that's why your marriage will work, because

you're you guys are just in it. And and that was really beautiful too. So I'm so glad we got to see who you are. Thank you so much, thank you. I really appreciate that. Yeah. I felt really grateful that they were able to air the things that they or last night, because a lot of times you film a lot of stuff and you're not sure what's gonna make it or not, and it was really important to me that they could air that. I think it was really powerful. I think there's so many people out there that have

lost parents and it just makes it more relatable. Yeah. Well, and then the mom wife came out and it was sort of beautiful like that's your husband and you really got that, like no, yeah, and that's why like when I don't know what, if you watch the scene again, it's like you see your your anger. But also your heartbreak, and so it was like, wow, to see both of that just was super real. So like it was an

awesome episode. You know, it's like thanks for letting us sort of see it all, because that's what makes this show. Thank you, you know. It's like it's we care, so we're so happy you're here today. Well tell Wells, Wells will be back, and so you've got to come back. It sounds like it's gonna get intense. It's gonna get intense. Yes, scared, and I'm like a little bit too, a little honestly, I'm really scared because I'm really not sure what's all going to make the cut. And it was I mean, like,

let's just say producers were like practically in tears. Of course, it was that intense. I mean like we had people coming up to us after that We're just like crying. It was just so bad. Yeah, you just can't I don't know if he can come back from that, the low the low blow in a time like this, so many people are struggling. It's just like, oh, that is not gonna end well for you. That's like I want to say, I'm so sorry and I can't wait. At

the same time, like it's so I'm sorry. That is so jacked up of me, but it's like, I'm so sorry and I can't wait. Yeah, I'm I'm that's the hills for you. That's literally the hills. Yeah, oh you look so beautiful. You look amazing. All our love and best wishes to you, guys, and we and say how to Jayson. We think he's the best. Thank you, He's literally the best. I'm so glad you guys just get a seat out side of him this season and really see who he is. For who he is, you know,

it's great. It's well, take care and and and come back because we'll be talking about thank you. I would love to come back, yes, and thank you for coming on too. Literally two weeks after, you know, it actually felt really good to put makeup on. I haven't more makeup and probably a month. So I was like, oh,

what are you back in the salon? Like you might as well tell everybody, like, no, I'll be back in in twelve weeks of course, but the salon is open and everything, like oh yeah, yeah, I still get there and I love What what is your salon? You might as well say it if you want. Well, I don't own the salon. I rent my space, but it's indigenous in Laguna. Yeah, it's okay, congratulations and thanks for coming

on of course, thanks so much, ladies. Ashley is fantastic and now we're gonna switch gears Super Fat to CS t Key. So Hannah, our other producer is sort of going to take over here because she's our big she's obsessed, So Hannah, and again, Wells is coming back next week. You guys, like, we get it, although I think we're giving everybody a good show. So maybe like we are, but like maybe just be nice in the comments and in the emails. We get it. We're there like d team.

But it's all good. Wells, we'll be back, so Hannah, take it. Okay. So we have Amanda with us from CS to key Um and Hannah, if you can describe Amanda in one word, how would you describe her? Oh my gosh, bold in the best way and literally the best way, Like you have been one of my favorites. I mean, I'm obsessed with this show. I've watched it since season one and I just love how spoken and like you defend your people and like I think we really saw that in this last episode and this last

episode was crazy, like wild, wild wild. Um, I mean, let's just kick it off with Julia and Kelsey's drama like that was crazy. Yeah, I mean, where do you where do you stand with that drama? Like they both have bathing suits bathing suit lines to let's just say you're going the beach this weekend, who's bathing suit do you wear? Well? Actually, Kelsey is sending me one right now and Juliet has given me a few. I love both of them. I told them I am not choosing

because I think they're both great for different things. I think Juliet is more high end, going for more a different target audience. And Kelsey and she wants to sell like the Miami the days, like the nice, you know, fun bikinis with cool designs. And Kelsey's is such a good material, it's so comfortable. I love the design she made.

They're just more simple and I think there's nothing wrong with that, and I think it's somehow just became this, I don't know, Like tur four on the Island, it was like Juliette was like, well, I brought everybody here, so I want to use those lats first with my shoot, And I'm like come on, guys, Like, it's not that big of a deal. I really, honestly after watching the episode, because um, I wasn't like right next to Juliet during the lap. After watching it, I'm like, you should have

just walked away, babe. I feel like we need to talk about that slap, right, Hannah, Like that was really it was crazy, Like was it as intense being there in person as it seemed on TV? It was worse, worse in person, Like that night was so much crazier. I think they turned it down a little bit, but it was definitely worse. It was. It got crazy. I had to go and pick juliette up and she's like, no, let me go. Like I just still talked to her

and like, baby, got to calm down. I mean, I felt so bad because it was Brandon's kind of big moment to show his music video that I know you worked so hard on and that was like a big moment for you guys, and then the second it ended, it just kind of blew up in everyone's faces. Yeah, it was definitely not thought burn in by the end of the night. So and that was like the turning point on the island, Like that's where everything gets like

hectic because everybody split up. There's so much trauma. There's he said. She said, like so much more to come to try and explain this situation because it's oh, it's so much to show, but I don't know how they're going to fit it all, you know. Like the forty

minute episode, I mean it was crazy. You could see that things were getting keated between Camilla and Georgana, and then Juliette was kind of talking with Max and I was like, oh, and you could see Kelsey kind of looking over her shoulder and she was like, oh, like what's Juliette talking to maximout? And then she came over and I'm like, this is not good, Like this is not good at all. Something bad's gonna happen. And that

happened like that. I mean, we were just sitting on the edge of the pool and they were just like talking ship to each other and I'm like, Okay, it's getting get a hand. It's getting really disrespectful, and I'm like, you should go talk to her because you should defend yourself because I always been through a lot, so much special and I'm like, come on, I really feel for

Camilla this season. Like just with everything. I'm like, oh my gosh, she seems so sweet and so kind, and I'm like, you have kind of been through the wringer with this relationship like this, that's a lot. Yeah, it's been a lot, and I support her no matter what

she does, but exactly been through it? Yeah, I mean she we didn't find out until a couple episodes ago, like what really happened between her and Brandon, and I think that gave the viewers kind of more of an understanding about why it was so hard for her, because i think for a while we were like, okay, like you guys broke up, but like you could tell there was something deeper in my heart just completely broke for her like that. That is awful what she went through.

He held that in for a while too, and she didn't like to really talk about it with anyone until she was ready, and when she did, I'm like you, she was nervous about it. I'm like, you were going to empower so many women who think there's not other people that go through that, and because it's not that common, you know, so it's it's nice to know that there's other people that are there for you and that people can speak out about it. I'm like, that's really going

to help a lot of people. So I'm proud of her. She handled it well. That was really brave of her, and like, I have so much respect for her. But I mean, everything that's happening, I mean, her and Will, things seem to kind of be heating up between them. I love them. I spend so much time with them on the island, honestly, Like, well, and take those group of guys like, they're a really good time. We all definitely enjoyed it. I know, I see you and Tate.

I mean, are you guys still can you tell us anything? Are you guys? I know, yeah, but you guys are really cute together. And Will and Tate are just they they kind of like bring some peace to the island in a way. They're kind of like the voices of reason for now. I feel like that's a tease, that's a little spoiler, I know, speaking of which, um, obviously we still we're like halfway through the season right now,

we still have another half of the season. What what can you hint at a at the rest of the season for us, Like, is there anything big coming up? Oh? Yeah,

I'm like figuring. I'm like, don't get anything to go away, but there's so many exciting new things coming with this run group, and honestly, like I didn't think we could, you know, like bring more, but there's just so much more going on right now, and I can't wait for everyone to get up to date at the end of the season, you know, and hear about what's going on. Now do you do you guys do reunion shows like

at the end. We've done some in the past, but I feel like we need one this because there's just like so much between when this was filmed now like MTV needs to figure out a reunion special with all of you guys. Well maybe we'll get one. We'll see, I hope so. Um, but tell our our listeners what what you got going on? Where can they find you? All that kind of stuff. We want to hear all things Amanda. Um. Right now, I'm just um taking a break off of school and I go back for my

senior year soon, so I'm excited. I'm working on a few projects and other than that, I really am just loving in Paradise and enjoying Florida and being in Cskey. And we have so many birthdays coming up, and so many celebrations coming up, so I feel like there's going to be even more going on, So I'm really excited

for that. June and July are busy months for us, so I'm really excited to see what it what the future brings, because I know we're all going to be around each other, and I'm friends with everybody right now. I'd love to say that I'm good with Kelsey, I'm good with Juliet. I'm good with both sides, and I'm hoping to keep it that way. So we'll see what happens your Switzerland and cs T key try. I've done my fair shara of drama with these girls. I just got to have their backs when they meet me and

just be a good friend. I love that. Well, thank you so much for coming on. We appreciate it and we look forward to seeing you for the rest of the season. Thank you for having me on a good day. Bye bye, alright, han a good job. Thank you so much. I love cs T. I love that we pulled this off. We miss Wells. Thank God he's coming back. But okay, I can't wait for I know, I can't wait for a whiles to be back. I really really can't wait, can't wait for next week's Hills. I know, I actually

really tease that up for us. I was like, I feel for people should be watching it. I don't know how many people are watching it, but it's like so good. Actually, Jason are so cool. I like, I just need to say that one more time. There. They really are the coolest. I also agree, but so is Kristen Christian Hilary. Oh my god, I love her so much. Brodie, I'm not trying to I love so many of them, all of them. Two people we don't mention anyway. So this is the

Wells Cast, This is the Hills Cast. I wish we could call him right now. He'll be back next week. Wells will be back and he'll fill us in on everything that's happened to him in the last three weeks hopefully, or four weeks exactly. Foregosh, did we do a great job today? We really did? You know? Is there a sign off? Does well to a special sign off? This is a Wells gast with Hanna, Danielle Riley, and Amy.

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