Digging Up the Dirt with Jason Wahler

what's happening. Actually, guys, I am um, I'm getting old, alright, I'm the wrong set of thirty seven comes up in a couple of days, and it's whatever. It's fine. I don't I don't feel like I look thirty seven. They look pretty great. But let me tell you something. I feel it. It's happening now. I did the roller exercise and I'm gonna be down for the count for I don't know how long. We've all got our problems, all right, we've all got our trials and tribulations. But there are

things that can get our minds off the pain. And one of those things is the show The Hills. It's Back Baby. Last night, season two of the Hills New Beginnings was bestowed upon us by the good folks over at Music Television, and I will say this, it did not disappoint. We got some juicy stuff from Audrina and Brody hooking up, and by the way, they underplayed the whole kissing thing. We'll get into it a little bit later. Sounds like it wasn't just a single, if you know

what I mean, like Brody round to those basis. I don't know. Anyways, a great episode, not only with the old Audrina and the Brody stuff, but the Brody and Caitlin stuff was great. The Brandon and the love of his life of whose name I cannot remember, but it seems sweet. Heidi and Spencer their love story, Spencer and Chicken pop Pies their love story, Spencer and Capes their love story. We've got to break it all down, and I'm very excited to do it because we're gonna bring

on my favorite person from the cast. He's been on the Wells Cast before, actually was on back what it was called the Pratt Cast. Jason Waller will be on talking everything from the first episode, and then we have a little treat for you. Juliet Porter from CSA Key is gonna be on the show. This is the jam packed episode of the Hills Cast. One you do not want to miss. Stick around guys. Yeah, back in the

Wells Cast slash Hills Cast. Very excited to have helped me recap episode one of season two of The Hills New Beginnings. Is a guy that we actually had on the show when this was originally the Pratt Cast with Stephanie Pratt and who Actually, I will say this, I'm not blowing smoke up your ass. It was my favorite interview out of anyone we did with the cast because it actually felt like a real interview with a person who had issues and problems and was emotional and honest.

And I was like, Jesus Christ, I wish more reality TV people were like this, welcome to the show, Jason Waller, how you doing man, I'm good, bro. Thank you so much for having me again. It's a it's great to see you. It has been a long time, and I really appreciate the kind words. I really enjoyed our the last time we all connected, and we're able to get pretty open, transparent, vulnerable and have some meaningful conversation if

you will. Yeah, I mean not to uh like put down any of the other trials and tribulations of anyone else on the cast, but yours are real life problems, and so I feel like they hold more weight than like, um, you know, the brandings of the world where it's like, man, I'm just too fucking rich and that's one of my problems is I got to deal with being rich or

not rich now but maybe rich again later. You're like, I have substance abuse issues, like a lot of the people in the country, it's like this weird just juxtaposition between your character or who you are and then a lot of the other um people on the show. Do you feel that way where sometimes you're like we are

not on the same like wavelength of issues. Well, no, I think really what it comes down to is like everybody's got their own trials and tribulations, right, But I think that's what I love about ours and Ashley, myself and Ashley stories that were able to be really true to who we are and you know what we go through, and it makes it very authentic for us because one is, not only are we really going through these issues, but also I know a very large proportion of society is

going through them. So I think there's a lot of relatability and connectivity with that. Uh So, I mean so while we're doing this, not only is it helping ourselves, but hopefully people are feeling that they can relate. Uh And it gives us motivation. Man. That's why that's why we're doing the show. Is the real reason behind it is because there's a lot of people that are out there that are struggling. There's a lot of people that don't have a direction. There's a lot of people that

don't know what to do. Um and we hope to to be to shed some light on that at least, you know, and again, we're not perfect by any means. We're not saying, hey, what we're doing is the way to do it. It's it's we've gone through these things. We have no shame in what we've experienced because we've also got we are experiencing the other side of it today. We're actually really able to experience, you know, the beauty

of the hard work that we put towards that. Not only for myself, man, you also have to remember with Ashley, she is is a very heavy codependent. I mean, you've heard me say this before, but I'll say it again, is wherever there's alcoholic or an addict, there's a codependent that is just as sick, if not sicker than the attic themselves. And and that's where Ashley and Isy's relationship

was so toxic. And for us to be able to walk through that and share that, yeah, it's very it's at first it's hard and uncomfortable, but to also be able to look back down and go, man, we've really

made progress. Like it's it feels good. Yeah. At the at the end of our conversation, I want to go through kind of all the the the people that you work with and the programs that you are affiliated with actually help people through these things that Remember, we talked about it kind of a lot last time you were on, and I was like, Wow, this guy not only talks to talk, but he's walking in as well. And I

really did appreciate that. Um, just right off the bat, I thought I thought the show seemed a lot more for lack of a better word, authentic yesterday or last night then it did all of the last season. What are your thoughts as someone who's just kind of, you know, a part of the zeitgeist of the Hills. I personally I think this season is much better than last season.

I mean I feel like again as when we were redoing the show originally it was like everybody getting back together for the first time, there was you know, it was awkward. I mean, nobody really knew each other like the depths that they did prior and coming back. I mean this last year, especially since we had time pre COVID and then we stopped shooting to some of us stayed in touch. We really developed relationships, so we got

to know one another at a deeper level. So it made it much more authentic and I like I said, I mean, I really think this season is a hundred times better than last season because the dynamics are real. You got to really get into the people's you know, you get to see people for what who they are and what they are, and you develop relationships and connectivity with the people that you you want to surround yourself with.

Then you're the ones you don't. You can see where that really comes to comes to conflict, and a lot of people pulled back, pulled back the they didn't pull back the punches this time, yeah, which I think is the hallmark of a good reality show. Is is believability. And I do think that that's what it seemed like a little bit where they were like, uh, were you guys were all like last season, it seems like we were.

We were holding back a little bit, and at least just in this first episode, we got a lot of really good stuff. I wanted to kind of go through the episode with you and just get your hot takes on everything, and then I can give you mine as well. Um, and then you know, yeah, I would love to ask you real quick, what was what was your overall thought of the show just in general though, I mean, if

you're compared to last season just as a package. So last season I was fused because there were some things that I felt were clunky or inauthentic. I thought Misha was one of those things, and it just seemed like it was a name that we were throwing out to get people to watch. And I don't think the show needed that. You know, the show is really you guys. You know, it's Brody, It's it's you, It's it's Adrina, um for Black, you know it, it's Kristen apparently. You know,

it's it's all those people. And and so once we kind of it was kind of boiled back down to that. Um it felt better for me. And I think that first scene of everyone coming to Brody's house, Um, this weird like homecoming that you guys had, seemed really real this time. Um, And like everything about it seemed real, like uh, like Adrena coming and being I don't know a little like nervous, and she's got kind of like this nervous energy, um, Spencer coming wearing a cape, like

all these things. That was like, Yep, this all checks out for me. You bring up a very valid point, though, is because that's the cool thing about this is actually seeing that the burial and I wish there was more because there was so much like there's so much authenticity even from Frankie and jen uh and you know, and some of the other people that went that we didn't get to see, even Ashley and everything that she was

going through. But that's kind of that That was really what sets the precedent for the show is everything that they were talking about, like all the things that went into the box and stuff. We're really what people were working on. It wasn't just like a flash in the past. Let's just do this to get the scene over with. It was like, this is what really sets the tone for the show moving forward. So the fact that it came off authentic and the fact that it was authentic

as I see it, win win. Yeah. The first thing we kind of learned about we talked about on the show is Audrina and Brody kind of coming to this I don't know, confession moment of like they kissed or whatnot. Um, And this is just coming as an outsider watching this show. It sounds like they did a whole lot more than just make out. It sounds like they she slept over, And when I hear sleep over, I think they're going to poundtown population Adrina and Brody. Am I reading that wrong?

I mean, that's how I read it. Bro I guess you gotta leave it to the imagination here. But I mean, I don't know how many times you stay at a friend's, you know, a friend's house and sleep over and have long nights without just more than a kiss happening. But you know, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna. You know, I have my own belief system, but you know it's I guess leave it up to everybody to make their

own decision on that one. Yeah, I like the idea of you know, kind of like burying all your your old or you know, the things in your past that you want to leave behind and then you know, starting a new. Um. I love yours because I think yours was very real and vulnerable and relatable. Which was um the pill bottle of adderall. Were you thinking of doing something else or was it always going to be that? No? I mean, dude, I went back. I mean I went back and forth. I mean it was all related into

the addiction stuff. I mean, I think that was. You know, the one that really tore me down the most, even more than alcohol, was when I relapsed on adderall after all that time of sobriety. Because you gotta remember I had five years of sobriety, my original sobriety it was July um and after acquiring all that time, I mean, the thing that really took me out was an alcohol. It was adderall. And it took me four years to

acquire a year of sobriety again. I mean that's and it opened up other addictions that I didn't even know. I had body imaging stuff, and it took took me to a place of a game like obsessive gambling, which we talked about last last time. I mean, there was just so many downfalls with that, but I'm I'm great that everything happened because it helped me do a lot

deeper dive and a much more in depth search of myself. Uh, you know, compared to this dealing with the alcohol, because those things were technically under underlying that I never really dealt with, and it gave me that opportunity to do that. But today, man, I can tell you, I'm in one of the probably the best place I've ever been in my entire life. That's awesome, and I'm I'm glad to hear that. Um. You know, you kind of mentioned it earlier where a lot of people were cut out of

what they buried. What did your what did your wife barry? Because I feel like that wasn't in there. Yeah, it wasn't. And I think that was again going along with my

addiction and her codependency, she threw in actually a remote control. Uh. She wanted to let go of control, like literally, because the codependence whole thing is they dictate their happiness and their well being on other people's emotion, and she wanted to be able to let go of the controlling factor that she she likes to put on situations to try

to get make herself feel better. And it was a very it was a very personal thing and I you know, just to uh to Jen and Frankie's you know, Frankie had a real amazing storyline which I hope hands out, you know, around you know, the pandemic hits bro and this guy's whole life is based around nightlife. And I mean he built a a massive business around that and then overnight, boom, dude gone. So what does this guy

do to pivot? And there was a lot of Again I don't want to say too much because I don't know what's gonna come out, but it was like hearing his wife and hearing you know, the transition was was very very powerful. Yeah, it was emotional too, man. I mean she threw in a clock and you know, wanting she threw a clock in and it was you know, I didn't want to deal with the late nights anymore. It was it was something that was especially knowing them

and knowing their family, it was like it hit home. Yeah, it's too bad that that wasn't in there. I mean, you could have replaced. I feel like Justin Bobby's with that one because Justin Bobby's but also maybe was the most Justin Bobby thing ever, which was like, I'm just I don't want to be tied down and I want to continue to travel the world. It's like, dude, you've been living in Mexico this and what do you talking? You haven't been tied down? Like I love by the way,

he kind of contradict you a little bit. He but he is my favorite person because I think that for as like bonkers as he is, I think he is the most self aware. He's just like I love who I am and I want to continue to keep on being me because and I gotta I gotta do. I'll tell you this much, man is this season I got I got very close with Justin out of all people, I love the dude. And you will find out why

Justin is the way he is this season. It took me fourteen years, and this last season I learned more about Justin than I've known in the last fourteen fifteen years of knowing it. Uh, And it's it's crazy to hear and see what he's experienced in his life because I'm always like, dude, where does this Jack Sparrow guy come from you know what I mean, Like I have a pretty good read on like who I can connect

with you, like where is this? You know his fly by Night kind of like on his pirate ship and in and then you really get a good understanding of like, wow, dude, I mean it would be nice to again you got to connect with somebody to be able to have that you know, vulnerability with them, and uh, he just blew me away. I mean it was just like wow, man, like you've experienced a lot, ish a lot, and he opened up about it. Do it this year. It's a different side. I think his storyline is gonna be one

of the best. Yeah, I believe that, And I know I'm not saying it like condescendingly. He He's one of my favorite people to watch on the show just because I'm like, I could never be you, but I would love to be to be like you, but I could never do it because of like taxes and like a mortgage. He is he is probably he is the most self aware of person on the show. I mean he is so in tune with uh, and it's almost to a point of like I kind of endy it too, you know,

to a degree. He's just so in touch, um and he really knows what he wants, you know, but it's it's see why it's unraveled the way it did. Though. Yeah, well I can't wait for that. Uh, we'll keep on like kind of going through the episode. Um oh, my my favorite thing was was Spencer's cape that he was wearing, and like, was he hiding the chicken pot pie in the cape the entire time where they're multiple chicken pot pies?

Where did that come from? Dude? I mean the best part is even after that, you know, after it cut, after he took a bite and put it back in there, he went back in again another bite. So they left that part out. Dude, But he loves those chicken pot pies. Man. Yeah, say what you want about Spencer. The kid knows how to make some reality TV. I'll give him that. Um okay. So we had to go over to Caitlin and Brody hanging out at their house. There were just some things

that I just thought was kind of interesting. They wouldn't mention, Like the she who shall not be named. Everyone knows they're talking about Miley Cyrus, but they're not. They don't want to say it, but okay, I get it. My favorite thing you like, you don't you like how her song came on right after? Really like I was like, this is beautiful. And also you have to remember I do another show with Miley's sister, So I'm just sitting there being like, can't wait to talk to Brandy about

this one. This is gonna be great. Ye. So my favorite part of that, and I don't know if I have anything to like, any opinion about it, just my favorite part where he was like, I was just so cut off guard by the lesbian stuff and you're like, wait, hold on. The whole dialogue last year from what I remember, was that you guys were swingers, which I assume means that there was multiple women involved in the bed, Like so what do you what are you talking about right now?

That just was my takeaway, right No, I mean, I think it was kind of a shock to all of us, and I think Brodie even kind of addressed that, Like, I mean, I think actually Caitlin addressed that, you know, and and I don't know if you caught that. She's kind of like, we kind of experimented in that other area and he's like, yeah, but I didn't know this whole other things. It was, it was a little it was it was shocking to us, and it kind of came more it was it was shocking to us that

it was a shock to him. Yeah, I do feel bad. I feel for Caitlin because you know, in that scene, she's like, I wish that you kind of had like reset your life when we were together, so we were able to have these conversations, these kind of lucid, real honest conversations back then things might have been different. And the whole time, I just kept thinking, is she that

woman who still really wants to be with him? Like it's I was wondering it seems like he has definitely moved on, uh audrina um, but like it seems like she kind of, I don't know, still pines for that. Do you get that viber No, No, I mean it did. It was Look, it was it was very like I'm

on the same page you are. I mean to see her state what she stated, and the fact that they were able to have these very very raw and transparent conversations in a in a very sober environment, and it's you know, from her from the a she made it, you know, seemin sound is that they weren't able to really ever have these conversations until now, because Brody really had a cool journey with you know, uh, getting rid of alcohol and you've got to see a really great side to this guy in a very a very ro

Rob Brody this year, which is another cool factor and facet to the show. But I mean, I I felt for Caitlin because it was almost kind of like, this is what she was longing for even if they didn't even if they didn't make it, you know, it was just more of being able to have that closure in the context of the relationship, if that makes sense, you know, And uh, it was you know, I felt bad for her. Yeah,

how did too? I mean, and I think that that it's probably how the entire audience felt about at least that's how I feel like it was edited to towards that. I will say this, though Brody does look really good. It's very interesting when you see someone who cleans themselves their act up a little bit and like how that

looks on their face. Uh he I mean, he looks thinner and healthier and um, anyways, weird side plot, but I don't know if dude look no, it's it's it's it's but it's important to talk about because I think that's the thing with him is I mean physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. I mean Brodie, Brodie was uh, you know when he was on this journey of of you know, self discovery. I mean, he is it. It showed in all areas, you know, not just not only physically, but like I said,

mentally emotionally. I mean he uh you could see the change and he was you doing well? You know. The next two scenes I thought, are they were silly because they aren't to me, unrealistic, But maybe I'm wrong. The next scene was that, like Audrina goes over to Heidi so like get ready for a date, which I don't feel like anyone does that. They're not like I'm going on a blind date and I'm coming over and I'm gonna show you some outfits and we're gonna have him champaign.

I don't think that's how that works. I mean, I think anything's possible with Heidi and Spencer, you know, I mean how they do an introduction with somebody. I mean, it's it seems a little out of context, but I mean the fact that they were the ones setting up the the blind date. Uh, I mean, I don't know, dude, I mean it, I wouldn't be going over my buddy's house. Uh, you know, to to to get ready and talk about it. I don't know. Maybe it's a girl thing, Yeah, maybe so,

and then maybe it's a guy thing. The next scene is Brodie, Brandon and Justin painting Brodie's wall, which, by the way, the biggest asshole move ever. If you ever asked me to come over and paint at your house, we are no longer friends. This is over right right there. I mean that was I was. I thought, you know, what's funny is I get that? But I actually thought

that was a good scene. I mean, you gotta see Brandon in a very I mean I died laughing at Brandon said, I've never picked up a paint roller or I've never painted a wall, which was which was great. But I mean I thought that was a good scene for Brandon to be able to kind of transition it in into that relationship that he was, you know, getting committed to. But uh, paint in the garage was definitely,

uh something I didn't see coming. Yeah. Two things, Brandon saying he never has painted anything his life and in his next scene where he sets up the the like really cool dates on top of the mountain. Uh, he's wearing pants that have paint, like like artistic paint like on it, you know. Or I was like, what's okay? But anyways, I do love that he like bore his soul about the love of his life and how he really wants to like be a better man and settle down to the one guy who I feel like can't

relate to that at all, in Justin Bobby. Justin Bobby is just like huh huh, yeah, okay, I don't know, man, cool. But I think it goes back to that awareness that Justin's got right. He's a good listener, you know, for for for Ja get he was looking for some of those words of wisdom from Justin. Yeah exactly. Uh but no,

I I did. I like that scene. But it's like it's kind of similar to like when your friends ask you to help them move and you're like, oh, dude, really, I mean I realized we need things to like set up things, but I'd be like, we're painting. Why can't we do what Spencer and Heidi do, which is just like get champagne and we just hang out. That seems that seems more of my speed. Guys, right right, I did I and I think that you gotta gotta lace some of that stuff up for it to get some

of that juicy content. I get it. Um. So going on to the next part of the show, this is where I listen, I understand, we have to we have to involve like you know, third parties and people that haven't been a part of the show. But it's where, um, when you have never done a reality show, it shows on TV really really unfortunately poorly. And that's Audrina going on this date with Rod Stewart's kid or something. Because the poor guy was shaken in the wind like a

fucking leaf. Dude. I felt really really you could tell he was just so scared. It was it was a it was an awkward scene. I mean, I I again, is knowing the guy, he's actually very very funny, he's very like outlandish and stuff. But from your perspective, what was your take as if you're not, you know, not

knowing him in the context of what we do. I'm curious. Well, so I looked at it from the complete different view because now I look at things through production and I could see what the camera guy was doing and they I could see that they kind of cut away from it because they didn't really want to celebrate it a lot.

But the camera guy kept trying to focus in on him like pouring glass and holding pouring water and like holding the glass because you could see it was really shaking in his hand, and I'm sure the camera guy thought like, oh my god, this is great. But then I'm sure like in posts, they were like, we can't just drag Rod Stewart's kid like this, so like we

got to cut it a little bit. But I thought he did a good like I thought it was it was because I think that they're both kind of dorky, uh, Like, I think a Drina is a really sweet, really sweet woman, but I think she is kind of a nerd, and I think that guy's kind of a nerd. And then they kind of nerd it out together and it actually ended up being really cute. But it was it was very like on The Bachelor. What would have happened there that like I wish that MTV would have would have

really really kind of like embraced. Was that that's when the when they would play the awkward music and you know, it's like it makes it so much worse too, you know, like the carnival music, we're just like, uh, poor guy or the or the crickets. Yeah yeah, now, and that it's he's another piece of the show that he is. He's a character, dude, He's he's a trip. It's it's

fun to watch him as the season goes on. Yeah, like I saw so I saw like in the like the teaser for next episode he's back and he like goes in for a kiss and that seems awkward but like just maybe like very apropos for like their relationship. Anyways. Yeah, I'm I'm excited for him to blossom. And I really hope, like Rod Stewart, somehow it's brought into the show. I know you can't say anything, but I would really I'd

really like that. And then I do hope that MTV plays like Maggie May one episode and that would just really be beautiful. All right, Hey, anything's possible, man. Um. I really like so Brandon was another one of those guys from season one of OF or at least last season UM the reboot that I was like confused by. I was like, you're not part of the original cast.

It seems like kind of a name you're throwing in there to get people excited about the show, and this opens doors for Pam and Tommy to somehow get on, which I get from like a producer standpoint. But um, having Brandon his character arc is starting to like lure me in. And I really did like what he did last night. I thought it was really cute and it

seemed really authentic. My only thought is, like him worrying about money so much and like bearing the hunter to all our bill and having a lot of money and now not having a lot of money. It's like, hey, bro, dude, just sell the Porsche or the range Rover, Like just make a decision and then that's some money right there. That's that was my thought, right. Yeah. No, I mean, look, I'll say this, I mean Brandon. I've got to know Brandon a lot over this. He's actually one of the

guys that got the closest with over the show. I think it's it's understanding keeping in mind he is still really young. But also, you know, I look at it from I give him a lot of respect. I mean the guy that's you know, lives a life and recovery and and having the parents that he did, who are icons, you know, to kind of still have the stability that

he does is very respectable. I mean there you know, there's moments of Brandon where it's like, come on, bro but it's also when you kind of look back at where he's at and what he's been able to accomplish, it's it's, uh, it's pretty it's it's pretty incredible, you know. I mean, and that's and I mean him like, he's probably one of my favorite dudes on the show. Uh we've got we we golf a time together. Um, and

you know, he's he's got a heart of gold. And I think he's just still in he's still in the discovery phase. You I mean, he's young, and I think bringing him on, whereas he was friends with Brody, his friends with some of the other cast, but I think it was trying to bring on like a younger face to kind of get some of the old elements of the show back. Um. You know, I I see what you're saying from the initial piece, but I think that he is uh, I think he's he's one of the

breakout guys. I think he's gonna you know, he's really gonna have a great storyline this year. Yeah, I'm excited. And uh, it was the day was really really cute, Like the whole thing. It was either it was either I'm gonna kidnap you, um and you're not safe, or like this is gonna be really really cute and like

the blindfold is a good thing. But you know, he's a really like like a romantic like I know he said it multiple times, but dude, like he was, He's in love with this chick like fully, like he's fully committed. And I mean you can see, you know, even when they I mean there's obviously abouts this on and off camera when they had you know, their moments, and it really messed him up, you know. So, uh, is his

heart in the right place? Yeah? I like him a lot. Um. And then kind of the last scene is Heidi and Spencer having this baby talk, which um, so like it's just hilarious to me because it's such good like comic relief stuff of like him eating the pot pie thing like completely like has not given up the pot pie a situation. He's spilling it all over himself and then Heidi like getting all dolled up and he's just like

all right, here we go. And here's the thing that like was I can't blame saying this, but was relatable in my relationship. Um that they were doing last night. She was having a full on breakdown and he was just sitting there staring at her, and like I now know from being in trouble for this um that like when that happens, like he needed to like embrace her and be like, babe, it's gonna be okay, and like yes, we're gonna have her kid and like you know, like

make her feel better. And he's just sitting there in the pop pie being like uh huh, yeah, okay, No, I mean yes, And I've learned that first chance, especially with Ashley being being pregnant. I mean, dude, it's one thing to to get pregnant, but also the hormones and stuff are so real when a girl is pregnant, and yes, to be able to embrace and support and show the

love and compassion is is it's a must. Yeah. I guess if he did like embracer and like calmer nerves and uh and make her feel better, it would be at a character and then it would have been in a confusing scenes. Yeah. Actually, like really tracked perfectly. But it was just kind of like a funny. It was a really nice it was I just I look at

it through like creating this show. It was a really nice bow because you opened with this pop pie thing and then you have the call back at the end, and then it's just like here we go going forward, and obviously the preview of what's to come, UM, Kristen's back, which I think everyone is really excited about. UM, it looks like Brody and Audrina hook up again, I guess, and then there's obviously going to be drama with Brody and Um and Caitlin. What are you the most excited about,

UM for this season going forward? Obviously you can't say too much, but vaguely, what are you pumped for? Uh? And I don't want to repeat myself for sound redundant, but I think I'm really excited for people to get to know everybody at a different level than they did this last season that we had. Uh, You're gonna see you know, everybody goes through their own trials and tribulations. Obviously the whole world was in a very weird place

when we were shooting this show. You're gonna see a lot of you know, you're gonna see a lot of um setbacks that turn into comebacks. You're gonna see a lot of you know, you're gonna see a lot of real raw motion come out from you know, each other individuals. I mean there's there's parts, uh that were there's very there's very hurtful parts of part process of the show, like that ror that we walked through personally, um, you know,

and so you're gonna get to experience that. And I think it's it's it's gonna bring people back in an element where you're gonna be able to identify with one one form or another to the cast. And I think that's gonna really carry it on versus kind of it everybody being thrown together, let's kind of see where we fit. Everybody really takes lane and everybody walks through something differently

this year, you know. And I think that's what's gonna be the real, the real catch here, especially as we are you know, actually in this this pandemic or however you want to look at it. I think it's a lot of people how to make some major changes in their lives. Uh, speaking of making changes in your life, and I could be wrong. But I feel like on some teaser I watched, there is some hint or some allegation that Spencer says that you relaxed, but you didn't. Is that Did I see that? Right? Or Am I

making that up? No? You did? You did see that. You did see that, And and I will say this again, is how it plays out is uh, is very very interesting, you know, especially having somebody last sees and that walk through everything that I went through, Heidi, who knows my whole history and everything that I've experienced over the course

of time. I mean I lived with Heidi back in the day, you know when when back in the day with Lauren and stuff, and she knew all my trials and tribulations, and uh, you know, I got very open with with with Spencer over last season about what I went through and to have the audacity to you know, pull those things out. It was it was just very hurtful and very disrespectful. And one thing I got thick skin, dude, I've lived through a lot. I mean, it's it takes a lot for you to piss me off. I mean,

it's a lot of stuff rolls off my shoulders. But when you come to my family or my sobriety. Those are two lines you don't cross, uh. And it's something that I hold very near and dear to my heart. My addiction isn't like I you know, I drink here and I mean this stuff it takes ahold of my life and it brings me to suicide. It brings me I mean, I don't just lose myself, dude, I lose everything around me. I lose my friends, I lose my family,

like I've seen it happen before. And it's it's it's it's the it is the crux of of of the life I live today and we're coming it's it's it's imperative to the to to me living is my sobriety. And so it's something I take a lot a lot of pride in um and and I think a lot of people should. I think it's just it was the timing of it. It just couldn't be worse. I mean, look at look at is has increased with suicides with overdose.

I mean that this the the timing too, was was horrible to bring up stuff around people's sobriety and such a devastating time. This is the only disease that has been on a steady incline, with the amount of deaths increasing by every year with a steady decline of the amount of success. This is the leading cause of death in America for fit year old individuals and younger. I mean, when you look at that and you have you just want to you want to clown with something like that.

It's bullshit, you know what I mean, And you want to I mean, and when it comes to it's like making fun of somebody with cancer, you know, And that's it's it's not a it's not okay, it's not acceptable and it's not cool. Um. And and you'll see that we don't take that lightly. Well, I'm glad to hear that. And I totally agree with you, you know, I think that as I kind of try to break down the Heidi and Spencer of it all, you know, for the truth of the matter is it's hard to be filled.

It's hard to be kind of entrenched in the drama when you're kind of married with a kid and like everything is kind of normal. And it seems like now he still wants to be the pot stir, but he's not really in the soup anymore. Um. And it's one thing to be like I heard you made out with Brody. It's a whole another thing to say something like that

to you. And in his mind he might think of those things as as parallel, but um, obviously I think for him it's for him, but also for the audience especially, everyone needs to know that those things are not parallel. They are completely different and they need to be treated differently as such. So I'm glad to hear that at least you and I would and I would give validation to that for sure. And what you're saying I had

to percent agree with. But the fact is, keep in mind I've had very open and transparent conversations with him on m or last season that came out to know what I struggled with, you know what I mean. So it wasn't like there and I was very real with them, you know what I mean. So he knows, you know, what I really go through and where where my addiction takes me. Uh. So it's like, yeah, not only are those not you know, even in the same lines or

even in the same atmosphere. Dude. Uh, it's the fact that he also knew what he knew, uh to say those things. It's just it's digging where it's it's below the belt stuff. Yeah. Well, man, I love talking with you because of your honesty, your vulnerability. And then also, like I said earlier that you you know, you talked to talk, but you also walk the walk and um, you work with a lot of programs trying to help this. You know, this this epidemic that's happening in our society.

So tell everyone out there, um, the work that you're doing and how you can help them and they can help themselves. Yeah. So one of the main things I'm really focusing on is I mean I've served on the board for Los Angeles Mission. Still I am the coach here now. The reds Onward Foundation, what we have created the most safe and trust of resource for anybody that

is struggling with mental health, substance abuse, or trauma. It's a place that you can come and get educated on how do you know if you struggle with substance abuse, how do you know you struggle with trauma? How do you know you struggle with mental health? Uh, to get you educated. And then we also provide cash scholarships. We've given away over a million dollars in scholarships in the

last year. Uh. We have three clients that have currently just received scholarships right now that are in treatment getting help, and we are a place for you to come to. UH. You know too that there's no judgment, it's there's no shame, no guilt, uh, and to try to get you on the right track. You know, we're really there for people that don't have the means to get the help that

they need, and we try to help foster that. UM. We have many amazing events going on, we have speaking engagements, seminars, uh and really just trying to be a resource and the tool for people because there's so much negative connotation with the treatment industry. And look, treatment does work and recovery as possible, but it's very important that you get properly educated and get to a place that is really to foster the needs for you. UM. There is no

one stop shop, there's no cookie cutter. This is very very multifaceted disease. UH. So we we pride ourselves on just being being the go to help help source when you're struggling. And UH I utilized my platform on a daily uh to try to inspire and give people hope that there's a better way and then the main thing I'm really passionate about right now is Ashley n Eyes Jaws Diaries that we just kicked off the second season of. So last year we started Jaws, which is really encompassing

our storyline last season talking about recovery, codependency. So many people are asking us questions, you know, on a daily like, hey, my husband struggling, my wife, my daughter, you know, what do we do? And we couldn't get back to all these people, so we said, hey, let's do a show that's really gonna walk through on a weekly basis of what both of us go through from the alcoholic and the codependent until I hit a year once one year of sobriety, and I ended up getting a year of

sobriety through that show. And now we're going to talk more about, you know, the continuation of recovery. So we went through the first stages of it. Now we're in the second stag just so ash and I really share our journey and we have professionals coming on this year to help us with situations that we run into, and uh, it's something that we're just really really passionate about, and uh,

it's it's it's fun. We love doing it. So people want to connect where they go Instagram Jason Waller, uh, you know, or or check us out on our our YouTube show It's Jaws Diaries, which is Jason and Ashley Waller UM or read Songbird UH foundation dot org is if you guys are needing to help, check us out there and we'd be happy to try to put you on the right track. Jason, Man, I love you do. It's always fun talking with you. UM. Listen, everyone out there.

If you are struggling, you know, reach out, go go follow Jason and um and yeah, you know, reach out for help. I love you on the show man. I do hope there's more of you because I do think you're the most the most compelling character on this whole thing. Uh. So I hope there's a lot more of your fingers crossed for that. Uh continued success. And let's go play golf, dude. I'm I'm an avid golf or I'll play golf with you guys. Let's go play, man, I'll shoot you a text.

Let's set something up here. I'm always out there and play Sherwood all the time. Or if you want to come down here, we play Big Canyon or Pelican or something. And you know we gotta get to get the girls together too. We gotta just hang out your dinner or something. Absolutely, I'm ready man, now that we're all vaxed and relax, let's do it. Jason Waller, you are the man obviously the Hills Wednesday Night MTV. Um, keep it up, man, it's keep in touch. Thanks well, appreciate it, man, have

a great day. Freaking love Jason Wallery. That guy is awesome. He's so real. He's let me just vent about the show and like gave his honest opinion. Um, and then all the work he's doing. It's just it's amazing. That dude freaking rocks man. And I swear to god, I'm gonna write a very strongly worded email to Viacom if they don't give them some more airtime, because I need some more of that guy on my Wednesday Nights on the Hills. All right, hey, we got a nice little

surprise for you. We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back, what I consider the star of CS t Key will be on the Hills cast. I'm telling you, guys, you do not want to miss this stick around. All right, back on Hills cast very excited to see a star from another reality show from MTV. It's Ah, Juliette, porter from c S two key. How are you doing good? Thanks for having me. I'm pumped to have you on. Um, I've obviously seen you on my television a lot, and we have a weird connection.

I don't know if you know it. I actually think I do know it. Um, were you on JoJo's season? I was okay, I'm right, I was like, oh, write one. Um, so you know Robbie. I do know Robbie. I spent a lot of time with him, and UM, I remember, I guess it was a couple of years ago where

I was. I was working for Good Morning America doing a segment for them, and I would walk out of g m A every day and I'd see his stupid face on like all the big billboards next to you with the Siesta Key logo, and I remember texting being like you asshole. So anyways, you dated him on the show, right, How was that experience? It was good? Um? It was like it was so it was a lot in a

very short period of time. I mean we dated for like, I don't know, two months maybe and we went to Greece within like the first two weeks of our relationship. I don't know, it was it was interesting and then I I was like, all right, time to get back to reality, and it just it just didn't work out, just didn't work out. Well. I've heard that story a lot with Robbie, but UM, listen, I'm glad you guys had fun while lasted. Season four of Siesta Key back

on MTV. UM, are you excited about this season? Are you nervous? Like what are your feelings about it going in? Um, you know, I'm always I'm excited and nervous pretty much every season. I mean you can relate, like being on TVs kind of scary, especially when it's you and you're not playing a part, you know. So I'm excited this season's the seasons very different from the last seasons. Um, but we still have a lot of drama and it's always uncomfortable to open up that way, but I'm getting

used to it. This is like my this is my fourth season, but it's really more like seven seasons because we do like half seasons. So, UM, you know, I I just I let it, I just let it happen. I just let myself feel that anxiety and run with it. How does your family deal with all of it? Because I remember when I, uh, when I was on that side of it, the anxiety that like my mother had going into seasons was was was pretty um it was pretty palpable. Like how are you? How is your family

dealing with all this? Um at this point, they're used to it, but I remember when I first started. My mom was like, I don't think you're built for this. I don't think you can you know, handle this kind of lifestyle. And my dad was like, do it. Why not see what happens, just to be a huge opportunity, which of course it was, and I'm very thankful, but um yeah, they I kind of tell them not to watch,

but I know they're going to do it anyway. My my boyfriend's family watches all the time, and I'll walk in and they're watching it. I'm like, oh, gotta go buy Yeah, Like, hey, maybe don't watch the next scene and then we'll be good. Just don't worry about that. Let's all get a drink or something. Um yeah, I know, especially like my friend my boyfriend's family, they're like watching me make out with their son. I'm like this is uncomfortable. Um so I guess that kind of the big storyline. Um,

is is your feud with Kelsey? Mm hmm, how real is this? It's it's completely real. I don't do the fake I don't. I think that's I just don't like being fake, and I also am not good at it. I'm like a horrible liar anyway. Um so it's completely real. Her and I we lived together, and you know, she really did last year she took my boyfriend to lunch, told him I'm a gold digger, told him I don't really care about him. I'm still in love with my ex.

You know, the whole nine yards that really happened. And then from there, you know, we both really started bikini lines and mine's called jumped the label subtle Plug check it out on Instagram, and um you know that was interesting for us because we were best friends and now we're sort of in competition because we're in the same

you know, we're on the same television show. So you could see how our fans are going to, you know, maybe pick one or the other or compare the two, and it just it caused so much tension and a lot of a lot of stuff happens in season four, So yeah, our food is definitely real. Though, well you just said a lot of stuff has happened since season four. Um, so then what are we in for? Like, what are we going to see? And what this is my other?

What is my other question for you? Because you're not in edit bage, you're not seeing how this is all being shopped together, but you have a you have sense and a feeling of what the show is going to look like and who the audience is gonna love and who's the audience is gonna hate. Uh do you think they're gonna take your side or hers? So it's really difficult because in the past, when I do things wrong, I am like, oh God, everyone's gonna hate me. Everyone's

gonna think I'm a monster. And people tend to take my side because when I make mistakes, I come from a place of realness and you know, it's because I'm very hurt. So it's not like just do things and with malicious intent. So I think a lot of times people kind of see where I'm coming from. And although I don't necessarily make the right decisions. Um, they're apparently they're very valid to some people. And I mean I obviously think some of my decisions are valid. Um, sometimes

I'm definitely wrong. But I think what's cool about the show is, especially when you're real like me, I try to be completely authentically myself. People see that, and you know they have empathy for that. So um, I mean, I don't know when it comes between Kelsey and I, people are definitely gonna pick sides. But all I can do is just like it's already been filmed. So like you said, I don't get to see the edits unless I like cry and like force them to show me,

which is like it's happened before, it's definitely happened. I've gotten to quit. I said, if you don't show me this scene, I will literally never film a scene again. And they're like, oh fine, and that's like not that's I'm probably gonna in trouble for saying that or whatever. Well, now the same thing is that it's the same for the Bachelor, Like if you freak out, they'll be like, all right, we'll let you see it. Um, But whatever, UM, I do think I think that's I think that's funny

because it's true. Um in terms of like the rest of the show, Like what can people expect, like, what, what are you excited for people to see on c um. I'm excited for people to see my my journey with starting my own business and you know how I kind of transform from being like the young immature girl who

just graduated college into becoming an adult. Um me finally having a good boyfriend because I've had some shitty ones in the past, and we yeah, um, we ultimately go to an island to get away from, you know, Corona, and it's just safer and so we're all together. So that's going to cause a lot of turmoil and a lot of stuff goes down when we're all stuff on an island in the middle of the Grenadines together. So

that's gonna be really crazy to see. And I think that's where like a lot of stuff happens, like the majority of all of our craziness really happens on that island. So I'm excited for people to see that. I'm also nervous, but it's going to be really entertaining, very cool. Last question, who's got the better swimsuit line? And why I do not want to be the type of girl that's gonna put others down. But obviously the answers me, kidding, but why is your I have a fiancee who wears bikinis

when we go out. Why why should she I want you to pitch this to me? Why should she choose your bikini? Oh? My god. First of all, I love your fiancee. UM, So my bikinis are sustainable. We recycle up cycle, which means we use um fabrics from other bikini lines that are kind of wasting them. We want to have a positive impact on the environment. They're also a made in Bali and all of our manufacturers are women mostly mostly most of them are UM and you know,

they're amazing designs. And I've put a lot of hard work and effort into it, so I hope she likes it. I like it. So where where do people go to pick up obviously the better of the two swimsuit lines? It's called Jump the label j MP the label on Instagram and yeah, you can follow if you follow me and Juliette Porter, you'll find it from there. So he has the key is back Wednesdays, UM on MTV. Juliet, thank you so much for being on the show. It's

been wonderful catching up with you. And I will say this I've been I've done more reality TV shows than than you have, and You've got it right. People who are honest and are real and authentic always look good because people can relate to real and honest and authentic. People that look fake look like liars, and people can't relate to that, And that's why they always look like assholes because they are. So you keep doing what you're doing. Awesome.

Thank you so much for having me. Yeah see you, dude, Bhi. Subscribe to Wells cast on I Heart Radio, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts. It's the Internet line.