Dancing with the Hills

TV project. Um, so we'll be discussing all things the Hills and Cista Key and I am so excited because one of our guests today is a really good friend of mine. Caroline Dia Moore is back and I just cannot believe I haven't seen you since my wedding in two thousand nineteen. It's been like over two years, and your whole life has changed since then. So Hi, Hi, I know it's been so crazy, and I'm so just like I miss you. I reach out to you THEO and I'm like, I get you do and happy belated birthday.

I'm such a bad friend. Thank you. You are terrible, you know, I really am. Ever since you know this new married life thing has really just swept me off my feet. So I can't believe you're a reality star. I'm not, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not. I'm I'm on a TV show with some really amazing people, um, and I'm navigating these these waters somehow and how is it? So are you friends with these people or is it

like a forced type thing? So some of the people I am actually genuine friends with, um and some people I just don't like align totally by the way, I know, I've watched, like I just did a binge watch of the season, and definitely Carolin, I was like, wait a second, I have friends, but no, it's so true. It's like I even asked that of like of MTV and of people, like how do I fit in? You know what I mean?

But you know what do you fit in? Though? Kate, ln Um, Ashley and Jason like all like just super authentic, real genuine people like you. Yeah, and they and and they're just people that I I think are really fabulous and have amazing, you know, genuine stories to tell and absolutely so do you by the way, Like I can't believe you're single, Like I actually still haven't talk to you about your divorce or about like you being newly single.

How is that was that weird during the pandemic or how weird that we swapped lives like when we were hanging out the time you're only married? Yeah, I know, Um, you know what, it's been really obviously trying, but I know that has been the case for everybody through COVID, but at a divorce on top of it all was really intense. You know, it was really intense. And we've gotten through all the rough patches, which so far, which

is really great. Um, and and I started all over from scratch in every way possible, and um, yeah, I'm just really grateful that I was able to maintain a really good relationship with my ex. Um, we're actually like super close. That's amazing. Yeah, So you know what a little Bella, Yeah, my little Bella. She's just the sweetest. So this is your new place, right, Like, so you started from like scratch scratch, and so how is it?

How was it like adjusting? And just like obviously you've been working your ass off with Pizza Girl and just like everything about it, right, And I just love you so much for your hustle and I admire that and like you're always dropping something off at my house and I'm loving every single second of it. At least send more.

Of course, so was this kind of like a segue, I guess into you needed to promote it, and you're like, why not, why not take this opportunity to be a part of you know, the Hills, you know how we all have our side stuff right happening, so absolutely listen. I looked at it like, okay, um, I'm a businesswoman, um first and foremost. And that's why when you said reality star, I was like, oh my god, I can't even ahead of that's business woman though, that's right, you know.

And I was actually just watching um I'm forgetting her name right now, but the woman who created spanks, I was watching her master laughs. And yeah, she even said in it. She was like, you have a chance to be on a TV show, Go do it. Do it? And I was like, all right, so you know I'm gonna do this and um he listened. I knew a lot of the people, so I thought it would be a lot easier than it ended up being. Um, and I was really grateful, But MTV really cared about the

entrepreneurial side of my life. I was scared at first that it was going to be just about drama and just about that. But they really want to show um, a woman who is starting from nothing and starting from scratch and really doing super right, and that something that I was really grateful for and I really like, I really think, um, you know m MTV and evolution for like caring about that. I love how they're like easing you into it. You know, they're not like forcing you

into the cast. They showed you in the beginning and I was like, yeah, I would like a little bit more. And then like the last episode, so let's just talk just getting down and dirty because I'm finding out new things about my friend and I just need to hear it from your mouth, what's going on with you and Caitlin, Like was that a real thing or was that scripted? So here's the thing, like and everybody knows it, Like

in reality television, you are. Your feelings and your emotions are real, and sometimes you have to repeat things and sometimes you know, you have to be put in a situation where um, you know. But but for the most part of it, all is real and it's exaggeral it maybe, but it's real. Yeah, but yeah, but it's so real, you know what I mean. So I listen, like I think you've known that I've had in a like and I could go either way. I mean like you knew me back at my party days and I yeah, like

totally I think. But then I was just like on you a couple of times in my life. I didn't want to be the one to say it, and I was gonna that was my next question, like weren't you in love with me? Caroline? But I was getting little jealous for a second there. But yeah, but like you know, I've been sober for two years, so this is like different, So go ahead, yeah, finish. Yeah, no, I fully get it.

I know it's true like I've always, um, I've always been like a fluid thinking human and I use that word because it just makes sense to me, like I just can kind of like it's about energy, you know what I mean, it really is for me, and um, I have ended up with men more often obviously, because I do feel like a lot of it was societal pressure and you know, just being told that you've uh me it or you are accepted if you are married with children to a man, you know, growing on your family,

what did they think I have you know, I haven't talked to my dad since that. Eric, Yeah, it's okay. I don't know what is what that is going to how that's yeah, I'm a little I just kind of wanted to be authentic and be myself and um, yeah, and I don't know really what was it awkward with you and Caitlin or actually no, we are so it

got awkward obviously, like for a minute. But she's such a good human being and like we had so many off camera nights together, like moments together that we just like kind of went through it and um ended up.

And she's right, you know, and she had done the same thing, like when she got out of her relationship, she immediately you know, fell in love with like a friend who was a female who also had certain feelings, you know what I mean, Like you you kind of just like sorry, I shouldn't be speaking for somebody else, but I just she's related to me, you know what I mean, in a lot of ways, and it makes you feel comfortable, your bonded. It's like a real deep friendship.

And um, she's obviously beautiful and like so hilarious and just makes me laugh, and um, I think it's it was just more about a genuine friendship and connection than anything. Um. And actually I she just announced you know her, So I'm confused because like, was that was she pregnant during the show when so nobody knew? Nobody you didn't even know. I didn't even know. No, I find out on the show. Yeah,

but like, did you know she was into somebody? Yeah, so it's an interesting Um yeah I did, because I actually was one of the I actually introduced them, was that after she was like sorry, you know yeah, basically, Um, he's an amazing human being and um yeah, they're so perfect for each other. I'm kind of one of those people that I see things that are like good for people, and I'm just like one of those kind of connectors and she actually, yeah, totally. In a lot of different ways.

Business wise, I've connected you know, managers with clients and just people. I love doing that. I love connecting people that I think they're going to really like work out together, you know. Um yeah, and like they want to keep their obviously their personal life private, you know, and I respect that for sure. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. Um okay, so moving on, um okay, how much booze do you drink on this show way too much champagne? Have you guys, pop?

Do you think lots of champagne? I don't really love champagne, So I go straight for I remember, Yeah, do you remember I go straight for the hard stuff of my girl. Yeah, totally. We had so many nights together, like, so that please, Yeah that tetoes tetesn't like. But I obviously nerves. When you're on this show, it's very scary and there's people there that do have it out for you for no freaking reason. And um, I like, I definitely um like

who you're thank you. I feel like there are some people that just I mean, listen, last night was the first episode that I was in. And then Heidi and Spencer go to us Weekly and say, last night was the worst episode ever and it was a good portion of Caroline. You know, Um, do you think like for sure it was directed at you? I mean, what else could it? It feels really mean, you know, And then they say that it should be it should be recast

for next season. Maybe it was because they felt like they weren't in it, so they had a little fomo maybe, but like, I just feel like, aren't we all just in this because we all want a successful TV show, and I do not feel that from them, to be honest, I feel like it's been a really uphill battle for me to be a part of this show, and I contribute a lot of that to the way that they

personally treated me. You know, there were there were times when I when I would try to get up and speak or whatever, and you know, they'd say things like, oh, you're just trying to get into a scene, Like isn't that what we're doing here? You know what I mean? Like I'm so confused, Like, so you weren't friends with them prior to this, then it was kind of like,

I mean we were, it's they are in a friend um. Yeah, So I feel like I like one of the first things that they had that Spencer said to me a while back was that I chose the wrong a lie and it was about a friendship that I had made in the show. He just came out to me when I first came on. He was like, you chose the wrong alliance. And I was like, hold on, like, not even cameras around, is this? What is this? You know? What what's the difference? What alliance is? He specifically talking

about Yeah. I became friends with Hal and he immediately was like, it was like you chose the wrong alliance. And I was like alliance like we are human, Like I'm a human. I'm this is not like a yeah, this is not by the way, are you friends with Brodie? Didn't Brodie like bully you back in the day. No, he did not bully me. He was he was like a brother, you know what I mean. Like he was totally like a brother. And I was best friends with his little sister Jordan's, and we were like the kids

that would get the noogies. And I honestly I I had said something. I guess I got the nickname because I mentioned his nickname in front of a bunch of people and he was like, what's his nickname? Again? What's the nickname? Oh? My nickname was Lucy. Lucy. It was after the first ever smallest baseball head humanity. And it's so rude where it's kind of you know what kids are? I mean, wait, what was his nickname? I'm not going there.

Come on, no, Caroline, I text you if you were any questions you didn't want me to ask you, Like I'm an open book. You don't have to I'm an open book about myself. I love Brodie. Brodie has been a friend of mine, a genuine friend of mine for a really long time. And I think I love his mother, Linda. I love that whole family. Is he upset that you're good friends with Caitlin or now he was told? Like, no,

he loves Caitlin. They have a really good friendship, and honestly they are should be an example to people that you know, separate, move on, realize they're not right for each other, and then stay stay cool. You know what I mean? He really does want the best for her.

You know what I was kind of feeling was when Caitlin, you guys were in San Diego, right and Brodie brought this girl, And I feel like Caitlin may have already moved on with this new guy, because like the reaction, Like I would be really pissed if that happened to me, right, Like I wouldn't be able to like like be calm. But I wonder, you know, I think it was with

somewhere else. I think I think it might have been, for sure, but I also think that it was more on a friend level, Like you should have told me, like as a friend, not like her as like she still has feelings for him, you know what I mean. So that's probably what you picked up on. Let's talk about pizza girl. Okay, my f thing can talk about So your sauce, right, you're amazing three sauces, right you have? Yeah? I have a Marinera, a vodka and in r Vata

right now. Okay, amazing And I love the vodka. The vodka is my favorite. Um. So you're selling right now in Gelson's is that correct? I am. We just started. Gals was the first supermarket to say, yes, here we go. We're on the shelves. We will be on the shelves at all the Bristol farms in August. And I just got sixty five Whole Foods in like the California area, so we'll be there in September. Congratulations. So how was

all of this during the pandemic? Was it was it like a struggle just to keep everything going or it was it was the biggest struggle, um of my life career wise. Um, it was like I had no funding, I had no backing. Obviously I lost everything in the divorce and ended up. Um what do you mean? Um?

You know you have to kind of it's either here's how what I realized in a divorce and if I can give any advice to anybody getting a divorce out there, um, it's definitely like go the mediation route, try to be friends as best as you can, because lawyers don't care about your bank account. Lawyers don't want you to have a resolution. These lawyers just want you to keep fighting

because their bill keeps going up. And there was a moment when Bobby and I lived at each other and like we were He was like, we were like taking out loans to do this fight, Like we didn't even Yeah, it was so bad to like fight over what like a pizza restaurant and a and then pizza girl that had just started, you know what I mean. So it became like we knew right off the back custody wasn't an issue. He's an amazing father, I'm a great mother.

We both know that soft off the bat, but when it came to these little things, it was like the lawyers get in your head, right and they just try to go, well he said this and this and that. It's such a game of it's a mess. So finally in California, right like there's certain like you had no idea about any Oh my god, it's so bad. They don't help you at all. Like the legal system is garbage out here. Um, um, it's so bad. So they just like let you go on and on and on

and wrap up these bills. And I was going into debt. He was going into debt, and it was really scary. And finally we just like I just picked up the phone and I was like, what is it gonna take. Let's stop the bleeding um, And I gave him the restaurant with you know, so you own m Oh my gosh, that's my favorite pizza. I know. And I've moved on and it's it's actually really um it's it's gonna be kind of um discussed on the hills, you know, so

you'll see some of that. How I had to separate from my family business and yeah, kind of saying if I move on for a few different a lot of different reasons. My dad and like not being able to work with him and his wife was really stressful as well. So there was a lot of Dad and Bobby still work together in a way. Yeah, whoa, Okay, how did you feel about that? You know what listen. At the end of the day, he's Isabella's father and he'll always

be a part of the family. And I'm happy that they have a nice like you know, um nest egg. I want her to a bond and and and a business that's going to continue to support them and Isabella when she gets older, exactly. And Isabella and I knew that I had it in me to start over. I knew that I was actually kind of exciting to like have a clean slate and start completely over. So I have that drive in me, um And I don't know.

It be hard to work with family too, you know, I worked, I had dance studios with my mother, and I'm telling you that really killed us. Oh it's really really hard. It's absolutely it's nearly impossible. But I do know that a lot of really big businesses grew out of the frustration of working with family members and being like you, I'm moving on, and that's what I just did. And now I do feel like a lot of people who were not believing in me back in the day.

And listen, I do know that because of my party girl past, it was like an uphill battle getting people to believe that I was capable of being the CEO of a of a big business and making it work. So I had a lot to prove um, and I had to change my life and to shake off that reputation I still have. My god, oh my god, it's so hard. Um, I actually got the chosen You said that. I was like, oh my god, girl, every morning that you would wake up to Yeah, yeah, every single day,

Oh my god, so bad. Um. And you know, there's definitely some stuff I'm going to have to explain to Isabella, like some photos that she'll see one day, you know. Um, But I'm just kidding. I'm sure you do. Actually, I'm sure you have them, like like printed out in like a weird old right in my like weird album like just Caroline stuck Er. Um, that's so great. So where did you get like these recipes? I heard it was

like your grandma's old recipes that right. So my grandmother she was such a great cook, and she called the sauce gravy and she used the sauce on everything. So that's kind of my mentality. I'm telling people, it's not just pasta sauce, right, you can cook all these different dishes in it. I'm making soups with it. I'm making you know, um thereso breakfast with it, like you know, eggs on top, so good. So I'm just really kind of um trying to spread the word and kind of

be a disruptor in the space. It's very stale and old and male driven. UM, so everyone wants a home cooked meal. You should come out with a cookbook eventual, just like how to use your sauces, your pizza girl sauces with like what you know, what combos, not just pasta. Absolutely, I was thinking of a book that kind of is more of like a story of my life with different recipes as it goes, because there's just so many things that inspired, you know, different moments. What would the hills inspire?

What dish would that be? Oh boy? Well, there was a rumor that I assaulted one of the characters with the slice of pizza. Actually, you actually do I I have seen you do that once before. Now I'm kidding. I'm like, you slap people with your like hot pizza. M This person I wote name names, but I'm sure

you can guess. This person went to UM the production company and said that Caroline Um, Caroline assaulted me with a slice of pizza trying to get me fired off the show, and I was thinking, I was like, how genius would that have been if I actually did something like that, Like Mack everybody, I'm like. My sister says that I did that when she was a little girl when we were traveling to Italy. She said I got so mad at her that I slapped her with a hot like piece of pizza and it has traumatized her

ever since. She just tells the story like almost weekly, and it's like, I feel so bad that must have her. Can you imagine like a hot like hot cheese just being and then like the sound and the splat of like whatever sauce that you use, and then like just falling like this, like all down. It's amazing. There's actually a great weapon. You know. You should definitely do that for the upcoming season. Speaking up, is there going to be a season three? I don't know, honestly, I mean,

I have no idea. And you know, according to Heidi and Spencer, the whole thing needs to be read. There having their own spin off. According to Hydia, they have a spin off coming out shortly. Yeah, So I don't know if the show can survive without um. I mean, are you having fun? Are you having fun? You know what? For the most part, I have so much fun. Yes, it's a really great opportunity. I'm very grateful for it. At the end of the day, I love the entire staff.

I love everybody who works on the show. Um. I actually just finished my interviews, some interviews yesterday, and I brought like every single person Sawce and we're all just like shooting the show and like having a really good time. Like the moral and the energy of everybody who works on the show is amazing. So those are the people I tend to like, UM, have a really great time with. But like I said, there's a lot of cast members that will be friends for life. I'm so excited to

meet Ashley and Jason's baby. Yes, congratulations, Yeah, that's amazing. She just she just had her baby boy, right, yep, yep. I was just talking to them this morning. I'm going up to Laguna, so I said, maybe i'd five if they wanted me to you. And how is it like with I know some cast members are so right. Is Brodie actually sober? I don't know he was for most of the season. I don't know his like ins and outs. I'm sober again, so I know things. I feel like

a lot of people go. I mean, I can speak for myself and say that on the TV show I'm more inclined to drink than off the TV show because, um, it's you're nervous. You're nervous. Yeah, you're nervous, and you're in it and you need to like you know, that liquid coat and that liquid courage and just like be okay with what's happening. So you know, totally totally, And so I know you probably have shot like so much content,

right and they're only showing whatever that they're showing. And what is like maybe a scene or something that you shot that you wish would have aired. Um, I don't know that I wish it would have aired because it was really mean. But I do think that the very first night I ever walked on to be there, um,

to be a part of the of the whole thing. Um, I just remember Spencer coming up to me and saying something really means like, oh, Caitlin, I think he knew people started knowing that maybe I had some feelings for her that obviously we spent a lot of time together. So he said something really mean about like, oh, um, you think you're like like Miley or something like you think you're like someone She's going to go up from there,

not down from there, basically is what he said. So rude, And it was just like she would never date you. We want her to date like a celebrity, you're a civilian or something like that. It was when did she control who she dates? I know, well, they think they control everything, actually the entire executive producers. Who knows honestly,

at this point, I have no idea. I'm like everybody's you know, that must be really hard because like on Dancing with Stars, when I know that, like maybe I have some beef with another dancer, it makes everything so uncomfortable. It makes everything so uncomfortable, and it's like and then you start to like get like I do, at least I start to get paranoid, like, oh wait, is this

a whole like thing happening? Is everyone against me? And then I'm like the result and I get eliminated, and I'm like, oh, for sure, it's because whatever, whatever right I've done like episodes, so it's like I just feel like there's this whole conspiracy theory. But then when you take a step back and you're looking into it, you're just like, actually, not everything is about you, Cheryl. Yeah, yeah, no exactly. I mean, I I know, and that's exactly it.

Like I'm like, some people think that, you know, the world revolves around them, and other people just want to work together as a team to make a great show and that's really it. So I'm so happy that you're a part of the actual cast because honestly, I don't know if i'd watch it if you weren't a part of it. I you know, I love you, I root for you, and I want to know is Kristin Cavalary? So she's coming on as a what is this like a special guest or yeah? Yeah, I mean I think

I think it's more of like a guest appearance. Um, but we do end up all hanging out and we have fun with her. She's such a good human being. I really love her. I think she's just fun. Yeah, you would love I was gonna say, like your personality and yeah, all of that's would go out and just dancing with the stars as well. Oh, I thought you were going to do dancing with the stars. Did they ask you yet? They have not but I would totally do it. You need to say that, you request me.

It'll be the first girl on girl A couple cannot see. Actually, America not ready. I'm leading, Yeah, obviously you always lead and everything we do. Actually, that's right. Wait. Remember when we went Selsa dancing and I was like terrified because you and all your crazy dancer friends bring me to a sauce to night and then like Lopez shows up and just like whipping around me, whipping around you, and like what am I supposed to do right now? And I was like, no, you were so cute. It was Leah.

Leah Romany was like they're setting that whole thing up and she's just right after we were like we wrapped whatever. She was like, I love Caroline so much. She doesn't even like she doesn't care that she's never really danced before, but she just went out there and was like she hates it when people just sit and just like talk about people. She wants people to get up and dance, like to the point where I'm a sweaty mess, Like it's quite disgusting, but we had so much fun. It was, um,

what's it called? At l I don't freaking knows whatever. Yeah, so what's next, Like, what else are you doing? Because I know I just saw you on Forbes dot com. Congratulations, thank you. It's the first time I ever googled you. It's so weird. That was really weird, so weird. Google is very weird. It's all good stuff. Yeah, I'm just so glad that my current boyfriend doesn't go, Yeah, who's your current girlfriend? Yeah, he's I think he made him

dropped off that stuff at my house. Uh no, no, that was one of our people are like employees yet now, Um, I think I don't know. Maybe I don't know. Maybe was he really hot, said it's my boyfriend that's gonna go drop Oh then maybe it was him. Maybe Okay, maybe I don't know. But anyway, Um, he kind of starts to appear towards the end of the hills. I think it's he. It's on in the cutting room floor. I have no idea, but um, but he's amazing and he has a similar kind of like outlook on life

like I do. And what is he? He was a professional soccer player since you know he was a little kid in Scotland. Um, and he debuted fourteen and um, you know, so he had already had such a massive career, like was born into a career, um, and then he came out here and he started acting and doing other things. Yeah, after he was done with soccer. So it's just it's very new, very very new new. You don't have to give me a timeline. You can just text me later. Okay,

I'll text you. It's very new. It's very new. But I'm very happy and it's fun. So you know, And how's it like adjusting with Isabella? Like has she met anyone that you've ever dated? Or like are you guys? Are you just not until serious? I'm pretty yeah, I'm pretty kind of honest with her. For a six year old, she's pretty can't believe she's six. I know. It isn't that crazy, It's not. It's really nuts. And you know, I have a lot of single mom friends and they're

like listen, and I had this debate. I'm like, do you date? What do you do? And they're like listen, sometimes your home with your kid every night, Like, how are you gonna date anybody if they don't come over

and meet your kid? You know what I mean? So you have to you have to obviously, not just every anybody, but you know, like when you're a single mom, I know a lot of women can relate out there, you kind of have to like meet a guy that's down to like hang with the kids because you know they're out if not, Um, I know that you're really good friends with Seawan Stewart and I have to say, God

bless his heart, but he was so freaking nervous. I could tell, like when he was his hands were like a little shaky, and I was like, oh, wait, hasn't he done reality before? He has? He had a show um with his family, um, the Stewart I think it was called um on E and then he had done some other's show with like um some other famous children of at some point. Um, But yeah, he has. I think he was nervous because is he friends with the whole crew too? Like is that how you guys he's

actually really good friends with Heidie and Spencer. Oh interesting, Yeah, so I think that's how he ended up coming into and meeting Audrina and all of that. So that was real then. So that was like a real like you need to my friend and when you heard about that, because you guys are like family basically, right, Yeah, we're like really close. We're like more we have a more like a brotherly sisterly relationship. I'm really good friends with his older sister, Kimberly. Um and yeah, so he was

always kind of that you know, brother lead type around. Um. I love Sean. He is so sweet, but um, I kind of knew that that wasn't maybe going to be the best connection. Um. Yeah, but you know, Audrina is also a single mom trying to date and navigate that it's really hard, and it's kind of hard to date guys that don't have kids, to be honest, because and are you guys close to you and Audrina because you guys did a movie together or something, right. I love Audrina.

She is a really good human being. She's so sweet, but she's also just genuine. She's not fake sweet, you know what I mean, Like a really good person. Our daughters are similar in age, and um, we have you know, we went to this L L fashion show with the kids, you know before COVID And yeah, we did that movie together where we played sisters and we actually all me Her and Caitlin just hung out at her house a

couple of nights ago. And she's a really awesome human being Yeah, she's definitely you guys, are you are you still filming or you know, um, sometimes they just have you you know, we're done. Now we're done. But did you film before COVID and then film again during That's what was so crazy and complicated and all of our lives changed so much after COVID. So, yeah, we filmed before COVID, and none of that is being used, you know what I mean, really none of it? Yeah, not really.

I mean there's a couple of Actually the last nights on last week's this last episode, there was a flashback to my dad and his wife like brading me about my divorce. That was from then. Um, so I'm they're flashing back to some of those times to fill out stories. But yeah, we did all. How hard was that during because like we did a season during COVID and we had like COVID officers up our ass, like constantly we

were tested. We had to shove up our own like h tip up up our nose, and then like if you had a false positive, like the whole thing had to shut down. Like one person I think from Wardrobe got COVID and that was the day everyone had fittings and so like it was just extra anxiety, and I just realized how much now that everything's opening back up and everything's going back to normal, I have such bad social anxiety. I swear that's why I used to drink

so much. You know, it's really bad. Yeah, you realize.

I was wondering a little bit about that with you, to be honest, because I did feel like a different change of energy with you, and I was wondering, like in one sense, um, and more to the sense that, like I mean, continue used to be very like yeah, out going, ready to go out, and then you did become very like introverted and kind of like you know, you actually wrote to one day I was like, when are we gonna hang out that You're like, well, let me like, I don't remember what it was to make

my head around this. Let me wrap my head around this in a way. Yeah, I'm an addict, right, so like for me, an alcoholic, and so it's hard for me to go out. I just realized it's recently actually, and it was scary because, um, it was Leah Remedy's birthday. She had a big party and a lot of people were drinking, and a lot of people were asking me like why aren't you drinking or why can't you just

have one? And it's just like it's triggering, and like with big social events like that, it makes me honestly think about drinking, and once I go there, I'm scared that I'll just fall deep into this like rabbit hole. Um. And so, like I just knew for me in my mental state, it was the healthiest to kind of not surround myself with places that may tempt me to want to drink, because it's not just one for me. And I was just thinking that I may represent that for

you because you and I party together so totally. But but I'll tell you I have other friends that I had that with you are so now as well, and we all kind of like sobered up our lives a bit. And I'm definitely it's definitely a struggle for me as well. Um, And I will absolutely go out dancing with you sober any night of the week. Um. I'm definitely more than thank you. That means so much to me, Caroline, because

it's not a lot of people. My whole life has changed as far as like friendships, right, Like, so like I had clearly I only knew my party friends and like, but then once I stopped drinking, it was like, I'm honestly even shocked by name names right now, like with who I don't even talk to, But not because we hate each other, just because like we've lost touch, just because I don't do that, not like it's a bad thing. I'm just saying I can't do it because I can't

just have one. Yeah, and you know what, that's my exact problem too, I cannot just have one. And it leads me to I have this mentality that my therapist called the mentality, and I have one, and then I'm like, oh, harder go yeah, you go hard to go home. And then I just like I'm and then I do this like thing where I'm just like Caroline, we used to drink like fish like like like and nothing, and like

we were functioning drunks. So that's scary really because like it actually made me feel like, you know what, I'm a better person. I can talk, I can face my fears when I'm a little bit faced, excuse my language. But then at the end of the day, I'm like it just stopped working. I was like, yeah, you know, and I just had a p and then my dad died and I was just like, wait a second, I could either like start to really fall and crash and

burn and check myself into rehab or not. Yeah, I just quit cold turkey because it's just like that was like really I didn't know where I was going to go with it, you know, But yeah, I completely I can relate, and I totally understand where you're coming from. And I have definitely struggled a bit, Like I'm the kind of alcoholic that I will go um days without

drinking just fine. You know. I have family members that are so bad with alcoholism that they would wait at the liquor store to open in the morning, right, So that's a very different type of alcoholic. And when you go to a meetings, you see, I used to feel guilty that I would be an a meeting because these people were talking about literally like being in the streets looking for crack. And this is really taking it to a level where I was mentality, where I was so

functioning and I can go these without it. Might problem is that when I do drink, I often those are the nights that I regret my behavior. And I was sick of weight, I'm sick of waking up and piecing together a night where something bad happened, knowing I may have even been in the right, but I now don't have the having people have to explain to you, like do you remember, Like that's the worst thing in the world, the worst and I'm truly going down a very different

path right now. So I'm so proud of you and they like, just like sometimes I just don't want there's nothing to do with anybody other than myself. Like I know how much I can handle, and if I'm like in my personal life, if I'm very um like sensitive, or if I'm feeling easily triggered, It's like why I put myself in like situations where I'm easily gonna probably

you do it again, you know. And to be honest, I've been feeling like drinking a lot lately and I'm just like I need to just get my head straight, um, And it's just been a lot, you know. And thank you for saying that. That means so much to me, because I could definitely use another friend. So yeah, I know you have me, and I need more friends like in the same boat, to be honest, and I have like three right now that you shouldn't meet too, because we all are similar that where we were all kind

of world. Everybody expects that of you when you go out, you know what I mean. Like I actually canceled my my birthday party. I had a birthday party and I didn't know did I not invite you? It was, I know, but that's fine, that's totally fine. I was like, I didn't even know. I forgot it was your birthday. I just said happy. I know, No, it was. It was a small thing. It was going to be a small thing by the pool here at the Villa Carlata and I did one last year and it was like a rager,

you know, So I was going to do it. And then the morning of I was like, I canceled it, and my manager and everybody coming to like Arlene de Mare canceling a party like something's wrong. And the immediately I got questions that are you pregnant? Are you okay? Like all this stuff, and I was like, no, I just I have a really important meeting tomorrow morning, and I'm now the CENEO of this company, and like it's

either make or break, Like I cannot up anymore. And I don't know where we got the stamina from, but man, we would, I would go drinking. It was like my job. I was like Alice and Melnick to stamina from so um. Yeah. And I also, by the way, I was able to sweat it out and dance for her soul because I'd go straight from god knows where, like sweaty shower, and then I just danced it off and I was like, I'm ready, let's party again, Caroline. I'll see you at the SOHO. I did not know how you did it.

I mean the fact that we would be up all night and then you go straight to dance your ass off was in was but wow, I thought, I think that's the reason why, because I sweat it all out. Yeah yeah, yeah, you sweat it out. It's true. Like any time I've been hungover and I've gone for hike or whatever, it's like hell, and by the end I do feel a lot better. Yeah, But in the next day is the one that really hurts, and you're just like, let's just drink again. Yeah yeah, by poor bye poor.

I'm miserable in the morning, right and I hate myself, hate myself, hate myself. Four o'clock rolls around, here's the drink. Let's have another fun night. And you know it's like a routine. Yeah. Hair of the Dog keeps you going. Love you. I like you, I love you, and I love you and I'm so proud of you. And you know I always root for you and I hope to see you more in these episodes, upcoming episodes. Where can

people find you? They can find me on Instagram at Caroline de More and my company at Pizza Girl Official. If you please send me more songs? Absolutely? Okay? Bye? Alright guys, So that's it. It was so good to catch up with my girl Caroline dam Moore. But let's take a break and come back though, because we've got our second guest from cs t Key Camilla. Hi, how are you? God? How are you good? You look very pretty today and you're cute little top. I love it. Um.

So we're gonna just get right and down and dirty. Okay, are you ready for this? Are there anything? Is there anything that you don't want me to ask? Oh? No, go, everything's out because you know I'm gonna ask regardless of something to hide, nothing to hide? Okay. So what is your current status right now? Are you single or I'm single? Okay? Are you happily single? Yeah? I'm actually very happy single.

I'm just focusing on me and you know, men are too much drama, So I'm right trying to stay you know, single, That's really what I'm trying to do. Yeah, And speaking of men with drama, so Brandon clearly is um fits that I guess definition right um of a man with lots of drama? What is going on with you guys? Is he trying to like win you back? Is he

wanting the best of both worlds? What's going on? I mean, so what I can say is, you know, he's definitely still like reaching out, and we're kind of like, you know, like I answer him. We talk a little bit, but I don't know, we're kind of just like still like trying to figure things out. And it's just a big question mark on there still honestly between us. What does that mean? Like still are you guys friends, like do you are you ready for that? Or is it best

just to like not interact? I guess, I mean, I guess you guys will have to see you guys have It's a little teether, yeah, I mean, I can't give too much, but we're definitely still you know, he's reaching now and I am like entertaining it a little bit, but who knows? And how long have you were you guys together? Like is there a lot of history? There must be a lot of history, right, so we were together for like two years? And where are you? Where are you from? I'm originally from Italy, but I'm I'm

missing yeah when I was twelve. Do you speak Italian? Yeah, it's my first language. That's amazing. My husband's Italian, so he can't speak it. But yeah, yeah, I love Italians. You stumped me. I'll get back to you on that. I don't even know where my husband's from. I barely know his last name. But his last name is Mignona. This is real last name, but he's known as Matthew Lawrence. But his real last name is Matthew Mignona and everyone

pronounces it Magnogna because of the gene. I like that, totally, totally um okay, So what made you want to be a part of CSKE? Like, are you someone who has been on television prior to this or is this something that just fell into your lap? Honestly, if I have to be honest, So when I first started seeing Brandon, I like he was on the TV show and whatnot, and I really didn't want to do that because I

was like, oh, like I'm not that type girl. Like I don't know, I just say, feel comfortable to do it. And then eventually I was like, okay, we started filming together, and I was like, you know what, I want my boyfriend and me to be like as a team on the show, you know, not just him doing it. So I started doing it and then yeah, I just became you know, something I did with him. That's why this season was so different for me, because it was like me by myself and like showing who I am as

a person. Before I was like, you know, like I was the Jellis girlfriend because he was, you know, obviously not faithful. So so you were crazy and jealous for a good reason, because I mean it's not like you were.

Actually you're by the way, you're not crazy. And obviously we as women have an intuition that like you can't necessarily explain, but you just know when something's off, no exactly, and you know I always did, and I always I don't know, I try to change him and whatnot, and you know, I maybe you can't change anybody in my love. You can't change anyone exactly. And that's why I was like, this season was so important for me to just get my story out there and show who I am as

a person compared to his girlfriend. You know, so who are you as a person? Who am I as a person? I think you've seen it the show. I'm very you know, I put I went through a lot last year, and I just I felt like sparing it with the world because I was like, I wanted women to feel like, you know, what happened to me is something that no one talks about. It's something that we feel. I feel like, you know, I felt ashamed, I felt like embarrassed. I was so scared to even talk to anyone about it.

And I talked to the producers and I told him I want to put this out there so and honestly that I'm so happy at like all these d m s. I got all these women going through the staping and they're just like, Wow, I don't feel alone now because you put yourself such a vulnerable situation and like totally there. You know. So for those I know what happened, but for those of you, the listeners that are just tuning in and may not now, can you please explain if

you don't mind. Yeah, so, um, last year in February, I got pregnant and I went to get like an ultrasound and they told me they couldn't see anything in my uterus, so they assumed it was like, you know, a miscarriage or something, and it turned out to be an atopic pregnancy. So I had to get rushed to the emergency room. And this was during COVID, so it's when um, the egg goes, you know, how it goes

through your fallopian tube to implant in the uterus. Mine got stuck in my fallopian two so it was actually like it was like starting to burst. And when I went in the emergency room, yeah, they were like you literally couldn't I could have led out to death. Literally, So it was like serious, Like I went in there and I had no idea what was happening, and they're like telling me, listen, this is what's happening, and I'm like what, and I'm freaking out. I was in the

hospital by myself. They wouldn't let Brandon in because like COVID, you know, and it was just the worst experience of my life. I was by myself. I had to have emergency surgery. I didn't know what was happening, Like I ever heard of a topic bregnancy till that day. So it was just very trauma and you were planning on having the baby. I mean, you know, I couldn't even

I didn't even get the chance to think. And obviously what was going to you know, like but it's like I didn't even have a chance to think anything because I was so rushed, like you know, murgency surgery. I'm like, what, So how many months pregnant were you then? Or weeks? Sorry, because I was like six weeks. Got it? Yeah, I got it. Yeah, So you're not even like you're just like yeah, yeah. I was just like okay, like crazy, thank you for sharing your story. Yeah it was crazy.

I I just was like I really want to make people and women just feel like it's okay and it happens and you're not alone, because I felt so alone.

I just felt like for months I was depressed, like and Brandon was really there for me, like we really like after that we got so close because it was like just such a traumatic experience for a couple and you know, in general, and then obviously he had a bag be on the way, which is even crazy, like I couldn't have your kid, but some girl that you slept with twice, I could have your kid, which is like insane for me, your girlfriend, you know, so it really like hurt me a lot and what we're and

you must have been going through so many emotions, right, like a rollercoaster of emotions, like you wanted him there, but then at the same time, you wanted to probably kill him at the same time. And it's like, how did you find out about that other pregnancy? Did he tell you? Yeah? So actually he he told me. He's like, I'm going to l a to record because he you know,

he's our musician. So he was doing that and I was actually laid by my pool and my phone was charging and I go to grab my phone and I'm like there's like six miss calls and I'm like, this is not like Brandon Brandon only he's not like, you know, like a double caller or whatever. Something's up. And I was already like scared to call back because I was like, what do you do now? Like I was like what, So I just called him and he told me he's like, listen,

this has been the hardest thing for me. To like have to tell you. He was like, so, like, you know, I couldn't even speak on the point, and I'm like, what is it? Tell me? And he's like, so like I hooked up with this girl and she has my kids. And as soon as he said that, I literally just like dropped to my phone and like got on the ground and I just started having a panic attack. Literally. I was like, what, like, this is the last thing I ever thought I would ever hear. This is when

you were pregnant. Yeah, And this was after I kind of was in a better place from it, because it was a few months after he told me in like June July, like right before the reunion literally, so it was like I was healing from that and so crazy stuff. My heart just dropped to my stomach. Yeah, I was horrible, honestly, And so he didn't even know he was cheating on you necessarily, right, or did you have a feeling? I mean I had a feeling, but it wasn't any proof.

And I always I mean, you know, the benefit of the doubt type, that's good. Don't lose that. Whatever you do, don't lose that because I'm definitely not like that, right, It's really hard for me to see the glass half full instead of you know, half empty. I tend to go like, um, you know I've got issues too, girl, this this is not about me, so um is would you say that, like in the show, is is your portrayal accurate as far as like who you truly are

as a person? I mean definitely, I think definitely, especially this season. You know, last season maybe was more exaggerated of like me being jealous and all that stuff. But you know, it's like I opened up and I put myself in such a vulnerable state. People finally see that. It's like I am. I'm a real honest person, like I really am, Like I don't really down to earth and I don't sugarcode anything. I'm just like it is what it is. This is what it is, you know.

And it's like even on the show, you guys see like it's so hard because it's like I want to move on, and then when Brandon like hooks up with Jordana, like you know, it still hurts me. I have those feelings there. It's like I want to be able to move on, but I don't want him to move I don't know, it's not like a girl I get it. And were you friends with Georgiana or yeah? I was, I was over friends. Yeah, we were friends, you know friends as in we're not closest friends, but we were

always like we're the same group. Yeah, and there's just rules rules, and she like definitely, Like I told her, I was like, listen, like he's emailing me and he's like doing all this stuff. I might just be careful because I know Brandon and I know like what he did with her. He used her to just like hook up with her and then didn't want anything. And she she blocks me on Instagram and she thinks, it's what does I have to do with me? That's what I don't get. And I really ask her, I'm like, what

is why are you so mad at me? Like it's not my fault that he doesn't wan to serious like and mind you, he's going to do it to her too, you know what I mean. Like it's not like she's there's nothing special as a baby mama. He's not over me.

He's not gonna he just wants like a you know, like yeah, you know some people are addicted to like love that's sex and love addict type thing, like where you're addicted to the um up and down and that adrenaline rush, you know, and it's hard to shake, but like you first have to acknowledge it and it's just the whole thing. But like, you know, you can't help but think that maybe, you know, Brandon, maybe addicted to love and sex and who knows, you know, But um,

my friend, it was nice to meet you. Thank you so much. I do have one more question for you, so be honest. Okay, So who's swimsuit line do you like more? Juliette or Kelsey. Wow, that's a good question, and this is so crazy, like wait for me. It depends on like if they have any seamless uh swimsuits, But like if not, then I don't know. So I modeled both the suits, and I I definitely love both of them. I mean, you know, it's all about the process. I'm like, you must love one more than the other.

I know, if I had to pick, I mean probably Juliets I guess, you know, yeah, it's just me and but I support both of them, Like it's all about the process. They both put in so much hard work in it. And you know, I'm starting my own brand too, so I really understand swimsuits. No, I'm starting a lounge where basically smart smart. Yeah, I want to do something different I'm doing Yeah, I'm not doing that, but I'm like, I understand how hard it is. So I don't want

to be like picking a side. But if I had, you know, if you put me on the spot, probably, I mean it wouldn't actually be anything about them. It's more about like the product itself and the quality. You know, everyone has their preference, so I shouldn't offend anybody. Yeah, for sure. And I'm going to get your loungewear. I can't wait. I love lude where this is like the one thing I miss about Quarantine is that, like we

didn't have to dress up. So I love loungers and I'm like, you know what, I want everyone to be comfortable and like, you know, just everyone loves sweatpants and and still be able to go out and look cute. Right exactly exactly where can people find you? Camilla? My instagram is Camilla Catanio underscore. Okay, how do you spell that? Just so that people know you're his? Last name? E A M I L L A C A T t A N e O underscore cut down name Italian. I

love that. I love it. Thank you so much, my friend, and take care of yourself. Thank you so much. Nice, thank you, nice to meet you. Bye bye. All right, guys, so that's a wrap right here. Thank you so much for having me. Thanks to my heart. And yeah, make sure you guys listening to our podcast Pretty Messed Up with my co host A J. And Renee every single Monday's Okay. See you guys there. Bye. Subscribe to Wells cast on I Heart Radio, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you

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