Roundtable Discussion #2

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It's a good song. And he's out of jail now, is he he is?

Yeah?

Oh?

Gun it yeah yeah. Well it's like when did Metro.

Go to jail? Okay, we're back, we're back. We're back. It's been a minute. Yeah, we're out.

Of jail, Out of jail, straight to space.

That's yeah, that's why it took so long. We've been in jail this whole time. No, we've been in podcast jail making other podcasts. But trust me when I say we have never stopped thinking about High Strange because it's one of the most fun shows I think I've ever worked on. Now we're back here because one, we've missed you. Two we've really never stopped talking, thinking about, or researching or researching investigating UFO phenomenon since we since episode eight

I mean, I can honestly say that since High Strange ended, I have looked, I have researched more than I did during the production of High Strange into UFOs, into Aliens, into Nhi. I am obsessed beyond what I was before.

Dylan was already obsessed.

I think I'll always be obsessed. Yeah, if any of you could see our text chain for the last eight months since we last made this, nothing you would ever listen to us.

Nothing gets right. It's just all conspiracy, all credit this show.

No no, but nothing gets through the cracks. Nothing slips through the cracks.

We see it all.

We've seen everything. You think that you need to email.

To us, we have seen it, right, Or if you're just a casual listener, you're like, what the hell are you talking about?

Man, tell me something right?

Okay, that's fair too, because I'm also I'm kind of more in that camp sometimes as well, where you guys send me this stuff. And there's been some big news stories. I think the biggest thing that's happened since the release of High Strange was this kind of legendary congressional hearing and last minute Dylan and I decided to take a

Yeah.

So, you know, I got the call from pay late one. It was probably eight pm one night.

We had like an hour to get there.

Yeah, and he just he calls me. He's like, we're gonna go. I don't own a suit because I'm a child, but apparently you need a You need a suit, you are a child. Yeah, you should, I should own a suit. It's thirty two.

Well I have, like I have won suit, you know, and you looked good at it.

Let me see.

Oh well thank you looked real small. Oh gosh, I can't I can't repeat it.

Yeah, but we, uh we get there, you and your suit, me and just my everyday close. Luckily they still let me in, which is nice. But we get there, you know, not really knowing what to expect, and we get sent into this this room next to the Congressional hall where the meeting's actually taking place, and it's just full of other call them nerds. I was gonna say alien enthusiasts, but let's call them for what they are. They're nerds.

Nerds.

We were there too. We're like Oh, make god, we dressed up nice for this.

Oh.

I wanted to go so bad. I was so jealous.

Yeah, it was an experience. It was a once in a lifetime experience.

There were so many people at this random hearing on like a Tuesday or something, that there was a billover room for press because the actual congressional room was too full for anyone else to attend in there, and so we were in. At first, I was kind of bummed to go, oh, man, I wanted to be in the actual room where they're doing this. But it actually turned out to be a cooler experience, I think because we had a live feed from the room right next door,

Less rules in this room. I'd like to say it was it was the back of the class.

It was the back of the class. People were clapping. It was this surreal thing, like people talk about the idea of disclosure right where, you know, eventually one day the government comes out and says, hey, here's what's really going on, and there's all these species of aliens or we had these craft.

You know, I don't think it's ever going to happen that way. It'd be cool if it did.

But it felt like a closure, a moment where you were maybe I was just too excited, but it felt like in the moment I was witnessing something that was like legendary.

I think I think it's historical. I think I think Rush will be in textbooks.

Okay, let's talk about Grush, because if you don't know who David Grush, who's really the main person who was testifying before Congress. Let's talk about who David Grush is and what he was even saying.

What was your favorite thing he said in the Congression?

Well, okay, I remember you showing me that this guy was about to come out. There was a whistleblower from the government who was coming out with some big bombshell information. And then they dropped this interview with Ross Colehart, this journalist from News Nation, and we watched it at the

That's the thing. It's you've You've heard crazier claims than this. Everyone has. Everyone's heard some crazy shit from some UFO guy who's like, yo, the aliens, I'm talking to him in my head from my bedroom. I can call UFOs to my house, my backyard. We've all heard that. Ye, if you've looked into this at all, you've heard the crazy stuff. But this guy. The crazy thing about this is he was saying some of the crazy shit, but

Like this guy's like legit, like a good guy for it.

He was briefing Obama on counterintelligence measures like that. They don't get that responsibility doesn't go to it.

Doesn't adding on their face.

If this guy is completely has completely lost his mind, but somehow still sounds completely same when he's talking like, let's just run down bullet point some of the biggest claims that David Grush made to Congress.

Can I start with my favorite one? Yes, Mussolini and this is no one's gonna believe this casual Listen, great start, I'm sorry. Mussolini, his Italia recovered a UFO in nineteen thirty three, and he's like saying this, like this is fact, Like the US government or whatever, this this special access program, whatever, this black project is, knows about this recovery in nineteen thirty three under Mussolini.

And this is part of some bigger idea here where he's basically saying that for decades now, the government has had this secret program, a crash retreat, like a crash a UFO crash retrieval program where UAP have allegedly crashed on Earth and the US has scooped them up and tinkered with them and tried to figure out how they work and kept all this stuff a secret.

It even goes beyond that.

And this predates Roswell, which is the craziest.

Rosseld is forty seven. You know, the.

Biggest theory that I've always followed and always believed in is that we set off nuclear bomb tests in like nineteen forty six and forty seven. I don't I don't remember the exact date. You can look it up. It's on Wikipedia. It's Trinity test. We set off the bomb, the nuclear bomb test, and they came right. No, this

Either, I mean, they're huge claims that go for generations. Like basically, he's alleging that there is this black program, this hidden secret program that's that Congress and even the President most of the time, if not damn near all the time, is not privy to where they are keeping the secret that we know extratrustural life not only exists, but has been here and maybe even is here, and we have crafts. And the way he phrases it is biologics.

Non human intelligence.

Biologics of non human intelligence, meaning.

Cadavers insanity and you can look past that though, like that, you can sure dismiss that.

Go ahead in all the services. This sounds you know, it sounds nuts, right.

But what did he do? He got in a congressional hearing. He got both sides of the spectrum, both sides of the parties, both parties to agree. You got AOC, You got what's his name, Matt Gates. Matt Gates and AOC both like.

Yeah.

And this goes into Brian Bender's whole first article that he wrote about this in twenty seventeen where he's like, Okay, where is all this money going? Right, that's the real issue. This is taxpayer money going somewhere else that it's hidden. AOC is like, whoa, Okay, I don't care about the alien stuff, but like what I gathered from her Congressional Oversight Committee testimony and questioning is where is this money

Yeah.

And then you got Matt Gates kind of saying the same thing. Yeah, got both sides of the writer or blue kind of coming together on this being like, yo, we need to dig further into this sentence freaking out about this a little bit, at least some of them.

If you remember back to Highest Trained season one, we featured two journalists pretty prominently, Leslie Kane and Brian Bender, and they would chime in kind of throughout the whole series with great insight on different details and aspects and just a little historical factoids about the UFO story in

Ever, I feel like, but I believed it.

This time you talked to the right person. I think you do know more.

And sure enough, though she's the first person to technically break this David Grush story, the guy who came out with these big claims about this secret government project going on. And yeah, and so we actually talked to Brian Bender again recently and gracious for his time, just to kind

Yeah. No, I really appreciate Brian, and I think I really love that he's mostly skeptical, even though he's he's heard some stuff. He's heard some stuff that I haven't even heard.

Well, hearing is not seeing.

It's what you want David Grush to come forward with, is physical video evidence, evidence, physical something you can see analyze. Now, you couldn't really ask for a more credible guy, right, a more credible person. No, but again, it's just you're going on somebody's word, and so that's a that's a big leap. And with claims this big, this new to us as a society, I think that it's only fair to be met with a little bit of scrutiny. But what if he's telling the damn truth? Oh if he could.

I guarantee you. If he could walk out on stage in on the News Nation interview and be like, hey, Ross, I brought a sample of a craft and it's metal that we've never seen before, he would do that. He just can't. You know, he's gotta he's gotta go through the Dopster process. He's got to get things cleared. Anything he talks about in public or on media, it has to be approved first.

So what this process you're talking about?

This is where he could get in trouble for divulging I guess top secretmation. Yeah, how does that work?

Exactly? From how you know it, Like, so, what was he afraid of?

So it's the it's weird, but it's I've only learned this semi recently since High Strange ended, episode eight ended. I've learned this afterwards because honestly, after our season ended, so much stuff happened and I really had to dive deep into this topic and be like, okay, wait, this is actually moving forward in a weird way I didn't expect, and almost in a synchronistic way. So with the dopster thing, basically he has to get approval from his higher ups.

To get permission, yeah or so.

And the DOPSER stands for Defense Office of pre Publication and Security Review because he has the highest clearance level. And that's the thing. There's all these myths about how many clearance levels there are. So he has the highest level of security clearance. So he's trusted with the biggest secrets in our nation, right in amongst our nation. It has to be cleared because he was a former employee, right.

These guys are trying to not go to jail basically, Yeah.

Because if they release some classified information to the general public that is like treason.

Yeah, whether the UFO part of it is true or not. If you divulge that, then you're going to jail.

If you accidentally give away a missile system that we don't want our enemies to go about, some censor development that we've figured out that China or Russia, Iran doesn't know or doesn't have access to you. It's for national security. I get it. It's classified information. You have to get stuff approved before you can talk about it. But he before his congressional hearing, he did adopts her, got it cleared.

And he's being very careful, but he could tell that he was, you know, he had just prepped himself on the scope of what he knew he could legally talk about.

Or that's how it came across. At least.

Yeah, they're saying it. It doesn't go against National Defense. To say anything that's in this brief, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true, but you're just allowed to talk about it. Doesn't interfere with what we're doing.

Right.

I got a chance to talk to Brian Bender about David Grush and this congressional hearing that Dylan and I got to attend in person, and because he's smarter than I am, he more eloquently breaks down some of the big key points of what David Grush was actually claiming.

And when you.

Analyze it, it's it's some pretty big stuff.

Let's kick to it real quick.

Brian.

How you been, man?

I'm good, I'm good.

What's the latest in your world of journalism?

So?

Well, you know, I sometimes joke that I'm now a recovering journalist. So about a year ago I left journalism as a sort of daily full time reporter and editor. After I hate to admit it, but twenty for almost twenty five years, and I'm still writing. I'm still reporting, but I have a different day job where I'm now

I just realized before we hopped on this call that the first time we talked was in Roswell, New Mexico at that event.

And I never really.

Asked you, I don't think, or at least it wasn't in the podcast, what your thoughts on that was? I mean, because it was for me, it was like, this is totally bizarre. Also, Roswell, New Mexico doesn't does not have enough restaurants. But but Applebee's was really.

And that giant alien outside the Duncan Donuts to make it clear, it was a statue of an alien, not a real alien. You know, it's interesting, you know when I kind of stumbled into the UFO story in twenty seventeen, when I was part of that group of reporters initially got some inside information about some Pentagon research programs that had been going on that had been kind of secretly funded by Congress in recent years.

I kind of pretty quickly made this this determination that I'm going to follow the money. So if the government's spending money on UFO research.

Who's it going to, what's it for? Who are the key decision makers in Washington that are behind it. Because I was a political reporter, I mean, to me, that was the story for us.

It's like, Okay, this is this is the political story. It's a policy story.

People are really concerned about things that are out there, and I identified some of which seemed to defy what we know about physics, and I decided that I was not going to sort of go too far down the rabbit hole of like sightings and reports and testimonies, because obviously there's this whole cannon of ufology that you know, I once used to I once set on a panel that you know, I covered a little bit of the JFK assassination in terms of like the fight over the

And I used to think that was like a ball of yarn, But I hadn't met the world of ufology yet. It makes this cha assassination crowd look, you know exactly, but you know what, you know, my takeaway from Roswell and others is sort of like if UFO research could sort of start now and go forward and throw away all the stuff in the past, I think we could be more effective at actually finding some answers to some of these mysteries because just the level of scar tissue that exists in the.

Different viewpoints on you know, was Roswell an alien crash, was it, you know, some military test? Was it a cover up? What happened there? I mean, it's just it's like it's almost impossible for a journalist in modern day to untangle that mythology versus fact.

And you know, you saw that on display in Roswell.

I mean I went to one of the panels, was like, you know, there's a lot of people on the panel. It was like forty white guys lined up all over the age of seventy and like they had like each of them had two different theories about what happened there. Right, they were adamant about it. You know, I mean, obviously I'm exaggerating a little bit. But you know, the journalist to me was like, I wouldn't even know how to write this story, right, No matter is there write the story of Roswell Bender.

I mean, I'd be like, I don't even know where to start. But it's not on like religion.

I mean, some people have their own sort of little lane in the world of ufology that they believe, and many of them have read millions of books and done all kinds of independent research, and they believe it as if it's gospel, and it's like nothing is going to change your mind. There's pretty widespread belief or kind of gut feeling that we are not alone in the universe

It's not even more than that that they actually do exist somewhere in some way, because I mean it's hard to.

Look back over history and even in ancient religions, I mean, so many references to some sort of heavenly beings coming here, you know, having some sort of role certainly in our sense of ourselves as a human race.

And I tend to be among those who.

Believe that, you know, whether smoke, there's fire, there probably is something that.

Fits that description somewhere in the universe, far away or maybe not so far away.

But then the second bucket I sort of think about is and this gets into some of the reporting that I was involved in, you know, the question of whether our government or governments of the world have some really solid answers to that question, or evidence of that that

I would imagine that even though it's been on UFO, Twitter and shit on a bunch of front page everything all over the news circuit, some people have probably been living under a rock or just haven't heard about this yet. So to speak to them, just give me a little like short recap log line on.

Yeah, David Grush, who are we talking about? So?

David Grush is a now former intelligence official. He worked for the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency n GA, which is sort of one of the alphabet soup intelligence agencies really responsible for like you know, using space to map the Earth.

And his claims are that he talked to dozens of people on the inside with clearances like himself, who assert that the government did in fact have in its custody at some point UFO crash material and that there was an actual secret program to figure out how does that stuff work. He's made those claims publicly, he's testified before Congress. But he is the first to say that none of the some forty people that he says he talked to on the inside, or or you know, people that had

And when I say, I don't think there's evidence of these claims, you know, we don't know what these secret programs were, we don't know where they were run, we don't know how they were hidden. Now granted, they could all be secret deeply classified, and so that's why we don't know. But I also think we have to consider

Who again will say I never sought myself.

That they have fallen victim to a little bit of a game of telephone. It has gone on for decades, you know, sort of the water cooler talk, even at the CIA or at the Pentagon, where people hear these stories, and they.

Hear them from people that are quite credible. I mean, they have security clearances, they're entrusted with our nation's secrets. But you know, I do think there is an element of this of sort of this echo chamber, if you will, that this is true, and it's always been true, and it's always been hidden, and I talk to the people who know about it, but yet we still haven't seen the goods and you know, and people say, well, if it's secret, why would we see the goods?

Right, how would the government you know, bring itself to ever let us know? And my rejoinder to that is we get a lot of.

Secrets to get leaked out of the government, tons of them, to.

The point where they put people in jail for the rest of their lives.

Right leaking stuff. So, if you know there was this grand conspiracy to hide evidence, real evidence of alien.

Life, why have we not been able to figure it out? And you know, why haven't we been able to see the evidence. I'm not ruling out that it's possible that that has happened.

Those programs did exist, there was a UFO crash. I'm just saying I'm not I'm just not convinced.

Yet that that's the case, even though there's this whole sort of cultural phenomenon surrounding this that almost takes it as gospel.

You know. You know, we watch a lot of Hollywood movies that that you know, underscore that, and I think, you know.

It's a cultural issue as much as it is a sort of you know, national security issue.

Right. We believe what we believe, and doesn't matter really what the facts are or the truth is, and I think we can't rule out that some government people have been have fallen victim to that too.

Back to the claims that he's made, do you mind kind of untacking a few of those, And he mentioned some sort of biologics, crafts, and I mean alleging that aliens are real. We've seen the bodies, have the bodies, and we have crafts, and it's just all the things that Steven Spielberg wanted it to be.

Right, Yeah, I mean he's basically his claims are that the government has hidden for decades secret programs that have known about When he says biologics like literally like biological materials, alien bodies or parts of alien bodies, also alien technology, and that there were programs, you know, to secretly try and understand how how does this stuff work?

So that's the reverse.

Engineering program that he claims or programs, any claims that these were hidden from even the highest levels of the government, that they were sort ofly buried in kind of the

Real evidence of something really woo woo and really out there, really advanced. And you know, if they're.

Not ours, and the government has said that that some of those things, those orbs, those spears, they call them tic TACs. They were like oblong shaped craft that you know, would go from one hundred thousand feet to the surface of the ocean in like a few seconds.

Nothing that we could do. The government said they're not ours.

And so the government is on the record saying that we're seeing stuff out there that we can't explain, and we're trying to explain it. But again that's different from the government already knows what these things are and it's just lying to us and you know, figured out all the answers.

I think a lot of their reluctance to talk about the UFO issue is not because they have knowledge they don't want to share. It's because of the lack of knowledge.

In other words, they know there's something out there and they can't really figure out what it is.

And if you're in the intelligence business, you don't share secrets, but you also don't share information that you have that you.

Haven't really put together yet either because you wouldn't want, you know, your potential enemies to know that. So I do think that, you know, the pilot's coming forward, it's really changed the conversation, and it made it a sort of more serious topic, like if we don't know what

One more thing before I let you go, there is a video circulating on the internet that came out.

A few days ago.

It's a UFO video, an alleged UFHO video from the military, and it's being referred to as the Jellyfish.

Have you seen this video. What are your thoughts on that? That was Corbel?

Yeah, Jeremy Corbel is sort of kind of been a leader in you know, sort of plopping into the public discussion some really intriguing footage of things that you know, come out of the military or some government agency. He obviously had some sources that leads that stuff to him. But the thing that's always puzzling to me is like it's always usually it's a very small, peny, little clip, yeah, and I'm always saying, where's the rest of it?

They just look at it for three seconds or three hours? And I was familiar.

I had heard about the jellyfish a couple of years ago, like this sort of was going around like, oh, the Pentagon got you know, custody of some radar footage or done camera footage.

I forget was of this jellyfish, of this very large tentacled.

There was another one, I think it was a different one people called the chandelier that looked like a big chandelier hanging over the Persian Gulf in the Middle East. You know, pilots were seeing it and reporting it. They're intriguing, but taking in isolation, they don't really get us very far, it's like it's exciting, it's clickbait, you know people.

You know, obviously, I.

Understand why Jeremy Corbel wants to put these out there. It's great for his website, it's great for his brand. But in the grand scheme of things, is it really moving the ball. It's just like it's just like another shiny object, literally, like, let's look at that for five minutes. And you know, I think the next chapter in this if you want to go back to that or sort of the breaking point is and I think we're starting

The topic of UFOs is.

Now, I think, in a way much more mainstream and acceptable in sort of acceptable society. I mean, this is a little more imminent maybe than the next season.

But you know, the Pentagon Office is supposed to release kind of volume one of its findings from the last few years, I think any day now, which is supposed to be sort of what are we learning from some of these military pilots, for example, what are we learning about the possible existence of you know, secret compartmentalized programs and we're hiding, you know, UFO material.

It's also supposed to report back on like they were required by Congress to do a historical study, like go back seventy five years and try to figure out what might have been hidden. Interestingly, that study is also supposed to focus on any disinformation campaigns that our own government.

Undertook on the topic of UFOs. And I think that's.

Interesting too, because if you really did want to hide something, you don't just lock it in a box in a room somewhere and give three people with security clearance, you know, authority over it. You might do that, but I think if you really had a deep, dark secret, you also create around it so much bullshit, in so much.

Conspiracy theories, yeah, so.

Much noise that no one is ever going to find the room because they are going to be distracted by fifty thousand other things and other stories and other tales. And there's already evidence in terms of government documents that have been released that our government had a UFO disinformation campaign.

What's our next big weapon?

And you know, there's evidence that we actually our government spread false UFO reports to drive the Russians crazy and also, you know, take people off the scent of maybe some truly secret thing that had nothing to do.

With ET that we were working on.

And so I'm interested to see what we're willing to cop to on that, what our government is willing to admit on that, because I think that's also muddled this issue in a way that makes it very very hard to unwind this ball of yard. People who care about this, the public needs the Marshal itself to figure out ways how do we gather more information, How do we on our own study these reports and see if we can figure something out.

It makes me question why someone like David Grush would make something up like this that's so complex. I mean, people do weird shit for weird reasons that you don't understand. That's that's so effect. But this person is a decorated individual and government and intelligence in the intelligence community, and I don't see what he really has to gain. He can't really has stuff to lose. If this is all for a book deal, that's pretty shitty.

Can we go Can we go into that? Let's go into why would he? Why about this? Also, we met only only if he believes it. Do you want to go into how we met him?

Oh?

Yeah, and how he didn't bring any of this up to h Okay, Actually, well that's a big we'll play a clip of this actually, so. Brian Bender mentioned a man named Jeremy Corbel, who if if you're not aware of who this individual is, in my eyes, he's kind of like he is like the new UFO guy. Yeah, he's the UFO He's just most of this stuff right now. Yeah, but like there's there's been another UFO guy. There's there's

Here.

I recently sat down and interviewed Jeremy Corbel, which I've been trying to do for a long time. Actually, we were trying to in view Jeremy well over a year ago while we were making High Stream Season one. Mike and I actually flew to Vegas. If you remember in the first season when we went to Area fifty one, it was the same time that we were there, and we simultaneously stated this hotel in Vegas and attended this Star Trek conference. We're not Drekky's. I don't really even know much about.

Star Trek for yourself. I'm not saying that it's not bad.

I just you know, I was like, didn't feel like I was a diehard fan enough, Like William Shatner was there, it was the whole thing.

It was cool to see.

Yeah, But Jeremy Corbell was there with another journalist, George Knapp, who we've used some clips from his some of his journalism and season one, and they spoke on a panel and my plan was to hopefully, you know, grab him afterwards and have a sit down with him, but he was super busy, like most people are in the world, and we had to postponent. But I realized, I'll play this clip, I'll play this clip from the interview in a second. But I realized that in my interview with him.

Yeah. He's like that was David Grush.

And I was like, and David Grush, me and the guy at the congressional hearing the guy who's started a whole brand new conversation about this, And in that moment, I go, holy shit, you're right.

I see his face now, yeah, and he is.

Tall as shit, and I hear his voice and I go, I'm I'm in the uber back to the airport and I text both of you guys, I go go dig up that tape because I was also like secretly recording all that, which I told him at the end that I was doing that. I said, go play that tape back and go to this moment, and I was doing it on dropbox and I was like, holy ship, that's his voice, that's him.

We'll figure it all out.

Oh you pay, Yeah, he tells me the layout for it.

I'm gonna suggest some guests that I can get him in contact with.

It's like an audio escape thing.

Yeah, it'll be the documentary version, right, Yeah, I want to help you.

Yeah, it's gonna be. I wouldn't waste your time.

If I didn't think this is my bodyguard, Dave, he don't be my ass have a special friends.

You don't need a bodyguard.

But I know he probably could beat.

Yeah. The thing that we're working on is gonna be just targeted towards breaking the stigma and kind of just self acknowledging just like, yeah, we're self aware. I guess it's aliens and silly, but is it though, Like you know, what's really up is the entire toe of the whole thing.

Yeah.

I think that will resonate with just everyone. Yeah, and I think that it could be a way to.

Just push the narrative forward.

And I'm sure we have find time for a beer or yeah, off in the dark lights.

Yeah, I saw.

For the first time.

We're all doing later later tonight.

I don't know yet, okay, because we we Yeah, we might be going to you know z Yeah, like I'm like fighting with his manager really well, like so I could probably get us all back to it like I used to in.

A different way, but used to like laser letting designer, I used to you.

Yeah, still very cool, you know yeah, if that's real, that's.

The this for like an hour, Like it might be a fun little thing if you get it on school we run out of stuff to do.

I don't know. Yeah, you know what I mean.

That's much came on my scene.

He's super cool after I left you, like.

When they came.

The previously before some other things I forget, yeah, some other.

Hey, great talk to that was awesome.

It's a weird thing that, uh, this guy who comes up with this what could potentially be a life altering story and the upho narrative was right there next to us. And we've also been trying to reach him for like months. But now hey, now we we know that we're only one degree away.

Also, David is standing right talking just out of my eyeballs talking to me about Z and you're inviting him to the Z show. Yeah, which is just.

I'm dude, you're going to go to the Z concert?

Dude, Like I don't know you, but you should come.

Like sounds like I was being lamb, but no, like we you know, we were Tim Smith. Actually you know Tim speaking of Tim Smith. If you're hearing this, this guy is amazing.

He's Z's managers.

And scrillics and among other people, he does his big he does cool, cooler ship than I do. He was in Vegas the same the same time we were, and we met up with him and he's like, hey, you guys want to go to backstage Z?

And I was like, I mean, what is that a question?

And so I was clearly like, hey, guys, like you want to go backstage to Z. Turns out it was actually even cooler than I was even talking about it was, I mean, in his DJ It wasn't backstage we were. I was DJing by her. Touch his button, Yeah, I could touch his butt. I could have actually know. I did give him my hat. He threw it into the aid you told him to a little known story actually about Tim Smith is that this man who is amazing love,

I just let that little detail out.

Jeremy Corbel has insight unlike most people do in this space unless you are part of the government, because he has relationships with these people who have leaked videos, the stuff that's spawned some of the biggest articles you've heard and seen and read online. I sat down and talked to him and it is an amazing, eye opening conversation and I want you to go check it out on my weekly show called Talking to death, and I know it's annoying you have to go click another app and

Should, it's worth checking out with me.

It's one of the better ones that he's done, mostly because I felt like he was just open with stuff, and I even asked him what I felt like were some real, rational, harder questions, and he had good answers for them.

I asked Jeremy.

Corbel what he thinks, in his opinion, is the most interesting, compelling footage of UFOs out there, which is a big question, because there's a bunch of shit out there and a bunch of nonsense and a bunch of stuff that might be real that we don't know.

So I asked him this, and this is what he said.

What do you think personally is the most compelling evidence of extra trest life personally.

First question that I've asked every single person I've ever tried to, like interview. I was so naive. I'd say, what's the best tell me personally what it is?

And it's never. It's never.

That's what I want when I talk to people, but it's never as satisfying because the.

Real Like to you, I know, I'm gonna get your answer, bro, I know it.

Okay, what is it?

Are you ready? It sucks? Okay?

What is it?

It is the preposterous preponderance and the weight of the cumulative evidence and my personal experiences that gives me the most powerful feeling of that is the evidentiary domination of it. It's the culmination over decades and the preposterous preponderance of evidence. And we could break that down for your views. What does that mean? Everything from multisensor platforms to like, yeah, I mean, I could like point to one thing that I think is pretty good.

Yeah, just like one case. Yeah, yeah, give me one case. Yeah.

Sure.

I think the least valued and the highest return on a case is looking at the twenty nineteen UFO swarm events over the ten Navy warships. The story that George and I broke with unparalleled multisensor, multi platform footage that we were able to obtain and release. That twenty nineteen case is a pinnacle of what we should be doing with getting different types of data, getting a wide spectrum of people that all experience the same series of events.

That's a big one.

It's a big one.

And the skeptics would say that it was a bouquet or something in the lens.

Well, again, I love skeptics. You're talking about debunkers.

Okay, I guess you would say a debunker and that and that defunkers.

Yeah, but I don't listen to what yeah, i'd say, because they're.

Yeah, I've just seen both sides of the story and i've kind of but to me, having looked at it, i've seen that video one visually, it also is just to me instantaneously compelling.

So that's the green triangle looking footage. Yes, by angle of observation. Who's green? So triangle by angle of observation. So what is a four dimensional triangle? Well, that would be probably a pyramid. Now when I said, oh, yeah, they were reported as pyramid in shape, I didn't pull that out of thin air. Right now, I can't put out everything that comes my way, but I will tell you on record that is in classified documents that there's other sensor systems that they had and they were pyramid

It's a huge decision that they're making too if if they're leaving.

Because we see what happens to people that raise their head. Davidsh you just try to king call. Yeah, but he's a tough motherfucker.

Yeah, I will say. David Grush is also really well spoken. I think and just articulate. So, you know, regardless of you know, if what he's saying is true or not, Damn, they got a good person saying it.

Yeah, we're real, right, were We're lucky to have somebody like David Grush. There's articulate. David Grush is fastidious. He is also has an incredible memory. He is well oriented to be in the roles that he was in, which was you know, national security intelligence. Uh, you know, he was a high ranking intelligence officer, career guy. He's the kind of guy you want protecting America. He's the kind of guy that was in a position to know and

How about that start there? Honest with the American public.

I just know that certain truths will come out easy way or hard way, and I am all down for the hard way, and so are other people. It ain't pretty, though, it would be nice if it came out in a controlled way where this disclosure process is when we can get to a point where we point the finger at each other and being like, we can have difference of opinion, but when we're all in it together, we have some consensus that this is worthy of us looking at You're

But the thing is, see.

That's how I know that you're is if you've ever been wrong, yeah, or unless you're always right, then have you ever had that moment where you're like, you're a kid right and you fucking you like fight for somebody like I know for sure they said left and not right, and then you just get a complete like you were totally wrong.

Have you ever had that experience? Y?

Yeah?

Did you learn from that?

Ah?

Yeah, I don't ever want to feel that way again.

Okay, I learned that.

Holy shit, I got a triple check things quadrup will check them. Because we are all flawed, we have a chance to be wrong absolutely, So you always put that in front of the mind.

Yeah, you know, you gotta check yourself.

Always and have other people do it for you to help you.

Jeremy gets so much hate on Reddit and on Twitter that he's a grifter, that he's just saying stuff and he's believing stuff that people tell him. Bro, this is one of the most sincere dudes I've ever talked to and he's not tricking anyone.

He believes us.

People come to him with information that they trust him with and he keeps them anonymous, and he doesn't put it out right away and he might sit on stuff that he's known about forever. The UFO people are turning against him and like, oh, he's just a dude, saying like next time, But like, no, this guy wants all the same stuff we want. He wants disclosure, He wants this stuff to come out. He wants he wants to out every source that's ever came to him, but he can't.

Yeah, he's in the business of furthering this.

You have to gain trust and to keep trust, and to keep other sources coming to you anonymously. You have to respect the current ones you have right now. And he does that and he's very sincere.

Yeah, and you know, and like I I asked him hard questions, normal hard questions.

You know.

If I were to say hey, X y Z, and you're like, holy shit, that sounds unbelievable. You know, you'd be like to tell me more, or what do you mean or how do you know? And I was asking those kind of questions, and I feel like, you know, those are questions that are probably annoying, but he also knows the value of those questions. And I had never in it at all. Was trying to, you know, catch him in something. I wanted him to take the time to explain one more detail that might be like, and

And I really enjoyed that we were able to have that kind of conversation.

Of course, he had only great answers, because that's who he is. He's not bullshitting. It's a it's a weird topic because you know, we don't know where this is going to go. But every time I get lost in it again and I'm like, god, man, like, if it was real, we would just know by now. I think of the exact opposite. For a second, I go, Man, if it wasn't real, Man, wouldn't this.

Just be over by now?

Yeah?

I like, think about all.

The things that we proved to be wrong, there's a lot, Yeah, you know what I mean, Like, how is this one still so persistent? For as much as we know, it's almost like the ideas only become more likely and more possible. And that's maddening to think about, especially if it weren't true. What does it even say about us as humans? If if we were just imagining all this shit at this point, or what is it that we're experiencing that we're filling

I'm not gonna lie what This might be my favorite thing to do.

You're so good at it. It's good. It's good. Hey, look he said it. Keep this part in.

We most certainly have plans to make a second season of High Straine, So I'll just go ahead and officially say that I don't have a timeline for you yet, but I can tell you that we've already been working on it. We never really put it down. Since we stopped. It almost seemed like High Strained Season one broke the broke the seal for us and kind of kicked down the door for some of the people we've wanted to talk to since day one anyway, and the conversation is evolving.

You can't deny it.

And so the conversation's not dead, it's only more alive than ever. And I had a thought that conceptually for Highest Trained Season two, a lot of people have emailed me and they've said stuff like, you know, is this just like an American thing?

Right?

All the stories we covered were mostly American stories, besides the Renulstrum incident, which was the American military but happened in the UK. But I can really see how just the the folklore around UFOs Area fifty one, you know, the US government's flying saucers, a lot of that stems from American pop culture.

Right.

But the crazy thing is, and I've learned this even more since the season ended, is that it's a legitimate worldwide thing.

Absolutely, it's happening in every.

Single fucking country you can think of. And I think a lot of those stories to me almost hold more weight because it just goes against the pop culture hoax sort of concept that we lean into when it seems too good to be true. Here and please please go check out Talking to Death, my weekly show.

We all three work on this show.

Every interview that you hear on that show, we've all been in the fucking room and it's a fun array of people and we do talk about UFOs with people you would never expect us to.

Yeah. Yeah, So go check out Talking to Death right now.

My My true crime show, which is how it's all started up and Vanished is out and so we're doing these intros. In the beginning of the Talking to Death episode, we're breaking down that. So if you haven't heard Up and Vanished, go check that out. But yeah, we're coming back. We never left you, we always loved you, and please, you know, talk to us. It's an EMAO like follow us on social media at High Strange, tell us what you think, and we may or may not respond.

We'll post this jellyfish UFO video.

On the instagram, the High Strange Instagram.

It is. It is weird looking. It's like, I don't I don't know what it looks.

It doesn't look like a traditional UFO in the way that you are probably imagining it.

It looks like some it looks like a jellyfish.

Well have you seen the peanut butter one?

What the peanut but the peanut butter? Is this a is this a bad joke? Okay, what's the punch one? Yeah? Yeah, I can't wait. When does it get funny?

Well, it's the peanut butter in a jellyfish incident.

Oh my peanut butter. Wow, this is how this is. We went too long. You know, we talked for too long.

We have fried our brains everybody, but no, in all seriousness, thank you for being patient with us. We love you, guys, and we will see you very soon. Go check out Talking to Death. The Jeremy Corbell interview is all about UFOs and I know you'll love it.

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