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22 Sprinting muscles

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Summary

Chris and Rob explore the latest research on the correlation between muscle size and track sprinting performance. They highlight the importance of developing proximal hip muscles for power and advise against excessive hypertrophy in distal muscles like quadriceps and calves due to negative impacts on speed. The episode provides specific exercises for glutes, hamstrings, adductors, and hip flexors, emphasizing stable, loadable movements. Finally, they critique popular but ineffective "functional" exercises, stressing the difference between coordination gains and actual performance transfer.

Episode description

Chris and Rob talk through what the literature says about the relationship between track sprinting performance and the muscle volumes of the hip extensors, hip flexors, knee extensors, knee flexors, and ankle plantar-flexors.

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Research on Sprinting Muscles and Performance

A

Hello and welcome to the High Performance Physiology Podcast. I'm Chris Beardsley. I'm here with my co host Rob Mauseri, and we're going to talk about sprinting muscles today. So basically, um this uh episode came from a little bit of work that I did um a couple of months back now, I think, and just gathered together all of the sprinting studies that have been done. showing correlations between muscle size and sprinting performance in um mostly uh kind of track sprinters.

um, sometimes in uh populations that are kind of uh adjacent to track sprinters, so maybe kind of middle distance runners or team sports athletes. But the vast majority of these studies were done in track sprinters. Um and it's really interesting just kind of looking through those studies and seeing which muscle groups are correlated with sprinting performance because in general it supports um our biomechanical analysis of our sprinting works, which we've done in the previous episode.

So broadly speaking, uh, we kind of look at um the proximal to distal sequence as being really important in sprinting. So it's gonna be the more proximal uh muscles, the hip flexors, hip extensors, which are gonna kind of drive the majority of the sprinting performance.

Um now, incidentally there's something else we need to be aware of which is that Because we've got the uh conservation of angular momentum to worry about, uh, we actually find that having heavier muscles lower down the leg is um not only un not as it doesn't actually help because obviously we're kind of like further away from the uh kind of proximal muscles, therefore the muscles are are actually

shortening too quickly to be able to contribute additional power outputs to the actual movement. But not only that, they're actually going to cause a negative effect by being heavy. So you imagine trying to run with kind of heavy boots on is actually a lot more difficult and that's because you're decelerating the boot at the end of each gate cycle and because it's a lot further away from your actual pivot point of the hip.

it creates a bigger problem for you than if it was a heavier object. Imagine kinda running with like a sort of uh a weight plate strapped around your waist. It's not really gonna be a big deal, but running around running with the same amount of weight as a boot on, you're gonna know about it. And that's basically just because of the way uh that the um you know, pivot point, as I say, is further from the load that we are kind of carrying. So um basically what we've got is a uh kind of

In this printing movement, as I say, proximal traditional sequence telling us that the proximal muscles are going to be more important. That's what we're expecting to see, and'cause they're generating uh power outputs that contribute to the entirety of the gait cycle, uh, all the way down the kinetic chain.

And then as I say, we've also got the issue which is that um the more distal muscles, if they get too large, uh not only are they unable to really contribute much much positively because they'd be shortening too quickly to contribute any power output, So having a large muscle isn't really going to be helpful. It's actually actively unhelpful because of the extra weight that we are trying to move.

Basically, when we look at these studies, we're expecting to see that the hip uh extensors and flexors is gonna be really important. And as we go down the kinetic chain, we're expecting to see things becoming less important and even starting to become uh negatively associated with sprinting performance. out of the kind of twenty, twenty four, twenty five studies that we've got, it's not um like a an absolute slam dunk to say that that pattern is uh kind of

you know, shown across the entirety of the studies, but it is relatively clear. Now what is super clear is that um hip flexors like the psoas, um the uh rectus moris, um, and hip extensors like the glutes and the hamstrings uh and even the adductor magnets actually are very, very reliably coming up as being positively associated, as in bigger muscle volumes are positively associated with sprinting performance, as in uh sprinters, track sprinters who have larger glute

Larger hamstrings, larger hip flexors in the form of psoas and the rect form of rectus formoris are sprinting faster than sprinters in a similar kind of uh population group uh who have smaller muscle sizes in those same categories.

As you start to go down the kinetic chain, uh again, not um a hundred percent reliably, and I think one of the problems here is that we've got the rectus femoris being part of the quadriceps group. So on the one hand you're kind of looking at the quads and going, well, are the quads associated positively sprinting performance or not?

There's quite a few studies show that quadriceps are negatively, as in quadriceps size is negatively associated with sprint deformance. So the bigger the uh quadriceps. Uh actually the slower the sprinter is. Um not reliably so. There's a couple of studies showing the opposite, some studies showing that there's no correlation. I think the issue there is that you're kind of wrapping the the the rectosphemoris up into the entire quad.

So uh you kind of got a positive and a negative happening at the same time. I think if they looked at the single joint quadriceps you'd probably start to see a slightly clearer picture, but that's kind of just uh one of the problems with measuring whole muscle groups. Um and then as we can continue down the uh kinetic chain,

um the uh plantar flexors, the the calf muscles, um pretty reliably uh problematic if those muscles get too large. So if uh we're kind of doing too much calf uh hypertrophy work, probably gonna see a negative effect of that.

on sprinted performance is exactly the same thing as trying to run, as I say, with heavy boots on. So there are reasons to train the calves, uh just probably not for hypertrophy. And again, we talked about that in our sprinting biomechanics episode that we did quite a long time ago now, I think. So um so yeah, that's basically what these studies show. Uh as I say, I just kinda did a bit of a literature review a while back because I was interested in it. Um

Hypertrophy Training for Hip Extensors

And uh we decided to share it with you guys today. Uh what we're gonna do now obviously is just talk a little bit about how we might go uh, you know, through a uh sort of hypertrophy focused uh sort of set of exercises. for uh kind of improving sprinting performance. So just to kind of uh repeat what I said, what we're looking at is um hip extensors, hip flexors,

um being the kind of power generators and then exercises that are gonna be training the rest of the uh kind of kinetic chain, probably trying to avoid uh creating too much hypertrophy in those muscles. So, Rob, Um, let's start with the easiest one of all. Talk to us about creating hypertrophy for the hip extensors, walk us through glutes, hamstrings and um a doctor magnus.

B

Yeah, for sure. Um, obviously glutes, we say it a million times every single day. Topic is gonna be the hip rust.

A

Absolutely. We are we are part of the Hip First Appreciation Club. I mean, it just doesn't get any better, does it? I mean

B

And then you know, like it doesn't and I've had people ask me if it matters if you use barbell, um, machine like a Nautilus GUT drive, uh Smith machine, anything like that. Honestly not a huge difference. I really love the machines and if anything, you know, even more stable generally. So gonna be really nice options. Either way, whatever you have access to and can load really well.

A

Absolutely load of I mean th that's the the key thing. It's getting it's getting that loading to the point'cause people can get really strong on glute bridges and

B

Ridiculously strong.

A

Um and that it and again, just practicalities. So, you know, if you've got a good setup that allows you to load the barbell easily, um, brilliant. But you know, if it's uh kind of uh becoming tedious and uh difficult to to load it and you've got a machine that lets you do that a lot easier, then, you know, fantastic, the machine is gonna be a better bet.

B

Yeah, and then um another question I got when when people are trying to grow glutes for, you know, sprinting purposes or for other things, they have a machine and and then they've gotten strong enough that they're, you know, just overloading it. What you can do instead of a bilateral?

More often than not, I'm not gonna go unilateral. I've I mean, I have used it. I don't really usually something like a B stance, I think could be okay. Um, generally still stable enough. You know, you get a really good output. But rarely have I seen people, and I think you and Jake might have mentioned this as well, um, be doing very heavy on a single leg thrust. I think I've seen one or two people.

A

So difficult. A machine is probably a better balance. I mean, like honestly, single leg um blue bridges and hip thrust are so difficult to balance because your pivot point is no longer I mean, basically your you're kind of you've got the the barbell, your pivot point is in the middle, but now your stab y your your actual stabilization point, your foot on the floor, is now offset relative to the center mass

of the barbell. So it's constantly tipping you. So y most of your effort I mean if you've got like some proper weight on the bar, most of your effort is just going to anti rotation. Whereas if you've got a machine, then that machine takes care of that for you and it's less it's less problematic. So I mean I I like single leg stuff. I like single limb stuff. This context is hard.

B

Yeah. So generally, you know, you can go B stance. I do like that. Um, if you also wanna like if you wanna band it as well, you know, we're still looking for tension in the top, that full hip hip extension anyway. So if you wanna chuck some bands or something on there to keep the challenge going.

Again, I think that's totally fine. Um, if for some reason you can't or don't want to hip thrust, although I'd imagine pretty much everyone can in some way or glue bridge, um you know, I guess if you're looking for like end range hip extension, could do some kind of horizontal back extension, but it's it's to be clear, inferior.

Massively so, yeah. I have people that for some reason just hate on the hip thrust and don't want to do it. And um although I try to convince them, they'll do a back extension, okay, or like a banded forty five degree back extension, okay. Like

Okay option or near as good as a hip thrust. Um so just hip thrust and then don't um try to argue with me about it, please. Um nothing's gonna be better. But for gluten pretty easy and then if you want something stretch position, you know, if you're doing squats, leg presses, maybe lunging with a or split squatting with a hand support, something like that.

you know, you'll get that growth from the the stretch position work. But again, the hip thrust is gonna be what I would suggest is the the bulk of your glute work. Um for the the hamstrings, you know, we can move on.

Like,

B

All day. Um, if you're trying to grow, especially, you know, more overall hamstrings, more near the hip and that as well, seed and light curl, gonna be the

A

Exactly. I mean that's so many people miss that. I mean that's that's a really important point. It's like um, you know, we've got we've got the Cita Lico will do um really solid two joint hamstrings development. Um you know.

B

All right.

A

It's it's not to be overlooked. I mean I I think there's there's gonna be a little bit of regional kind of difference. So if you've got some really high level track sprinters then maybe you'd wanna kind of see whether you can get a hip extension related hamstrings exercise. But honestly for most people most of the time seated leg curls is gonna be great.

B

Yeah, C to Lake curl definitely the top option. If you don't have access to one, it it's not like you're not getting good benefit from the line. You know, you can chuck a line in there. Like you said, if you want to take uh a hip focused hamstrings exercise.

Um, in my opinion, you're not gonna do better than a free weight forty-five degree back extension. Um, you know, really matches where the hamstrings have best leverage really nicely, that mid-range hip extension, you know, just keep the knees stiff. Um barbell, dumbbell. Doesn't really matter. Most people use a barbell if they're quite strong because holding a hundred fifty, two hundred pound dumbbell, something like that is just unrealistic.

A

You tend to go down the route of loading bilateral rather than going unilateral on those.

B

On the back extension. I do use unilateral sometimes. Um some people I I've I've coached have found it a bit uncomfortable depending on the machine they have access to. Um some of the setup can be more comfortable, whether or not they're flat or angled can make a difference. So if someone has a problem with the single leg.

I'll just keep loading up barbell bilateral. If someone can do the single leg version comfortably, I can, no problem. Um, I even have some some female clients who are, you know, using like eighty pound dumbbells or so on that, um, stuff like that, or even using like some some barbell weight, they're very strong. So that's pretty impressive there. But yeah, I really like the unilateral. It's just kind of a a comfort thing, I guess, whether I use it for everyone.

A

Yeah, I guess so. Cool.

B

Those will be the main hamstrings exercises. I don't really tend to do too much more. RDLs, you know, you're gonna get a bit more adductors. So if we move on to adductors, Um, you know, any kind of leg pressing I really like a lot. Squatting, you know, we covered some of the adductor stuff in another episode. So squatting with a with a narrower stance and getting very deep in the squat.

Um I don't know if we talked about it, but I think a lot of people tend to think you want wide stance work for adductors and that and um I think we had gone over why that didn't really make sense. But

A

I mean basically the the the adductor magnets is working as a hip extensor in that engine motion. I mean it's just not thinking about doing um anything else really. It's not got great leverage production. So

B

Yeah, so you don't need if you're doing squatting motions, you don't need a wide stance and it's definitely not as good as a narrow stance, I would say. And then we had gone through some of the adductor leverages and if you use Um, you know, an extended hip position, yeah, Dr. Magnus is gonna have really good leverage through a lot of that emotion. Oh, sorry, yeah, yeah. Um yeah. Um but yeah, that'll have really good leverage to about the whole range. So you can use I mean

really so many different adductors machines and that can work pretty well. Um you can do cable poles I've used if you don't have a good machine. Um, you could do you know, on an inclined back extension, something like that. We're really the main ones are gonna be squatting, like pressing, those kind of variations.

A

So I guess the the challenge really with uh the adductor magnus is training it and not training the quadriceps to um kind of experience.'Cause I mean uh we've talked okay, just before we kind of uh tackle this problem. Um a lot of the time people's concerns about

um muscles getting too big are unfounded. We've talked about this before. You know, most people that were distance runners, we've talked about this. They don't need to worry about muscles getting too big. It's like it's not going to happen. They they're not going to be suddenly waking up and discovering themselves to be you know, kind of uh excessively muscular. I mean, would that, you know, were the case.

But um, you know, in this particular scenario we are talking about um, you know, track printers. who do have to maintain a specific body weight and we do want to make sure that that body weight is directed towards the muscles that matter and uh kept down in the muscles that aren't so important. We're dealing with very fine balance here and in this particular context it is worth considering that we want to make sure that we're not getting

uh too much quadriceps growth because we know it's negatively related with sprinting performance. So we want to make sure that we're getting our quadr uh kind of uh adductor magnets growth without getting the the quad growth. So um obviously with the squat we've got a challenge there because most people are gonna find that the quad will grow more so than the lectomagnus, at least a little bit. Um so in terms of other options, um obviously, you know, we've got things like

stiff leg deadlifts or deadlift variations in general. Um but do you have a particular preference on any of those?

B

Stiff leg deadlifts more often than not. Yeah. Really like stiff leg deadlifts. I do. Um and again, like I said, any of the just a direct adductor work is gonna be great. That'll be the best bet.

A

I honestly I honestly feel that whenever somebody says to me, uh start asking questions about RDLs, I'm straight away like, Why wouldn't you just do a stiff leg? I mean it's like this they're just so much better uh for just a number of reasons. Just a uh better everything, I guess.

B

Yeah, and I mean like the problem another problem with an RDL not that I don't like RDLs, I just

A

Well no, it's just like it's what you've got the comparison and it's just so much obviously better.

B

You're holding the bar the whole time. Other things are gonna be getting tired. You know, stiff like you can reset on the floor if you need to. Um, you know, it just it's much easier to focus on what you wanna focus on. So yeah, I would definitely say. Stiff way deadlift. Much more often than not. Yeah. Um you know, I guess the only thing there would be if someone for whatever reason can't Can't do it well, I don't know. But if you get RDL you buy. Yeah, no, I mean, American.

A

main issue is gonna be range of motion, so just use blocks or even a even lower setting on a power rack if you absolutely have to, but you know, uh whatever kind of is necessary. I think so okay, so in terms of like hip extensors we're we're narrowing in on like a uh sort of Uh the top tier exercises would be the hip thrust or uh kind of glue bridge.

Uh and then for the hamstrings we've got sort of seated leg curl, maybe forty five to back extension and then probably stiff leg deadlift really kind of for the for the uh kind of adductor magnus. And that that's gonna be a really, really solid kind of uh hypertrophy training program for for the hip extensors, isn't it?

B

Yeah. And then in terms of you know, we mentioned stability in that a little bit. If you want to do your your stiff legs and that on a SMIP machine or something like that. Awesome. I think people for some reason have especially athletes have an issue with that with using a sm uh smith or something more stable. But it's a great, great variation. Let's you focus in on only what you want to focus on. So yeah, if you have access to that and you wanna do it, um

A

Can I mean like you know, depending on the way that the barbells work it may actually make uh loading easier because you know putting the plate straight on and there's there's a gap between the the bar and the floor.

B

If you're very strong, you know, you gotta have a deadlift jack. I hate I I deadlift, you know, but

A

Yeah, literally the bane of my life is kind of loading plates onto a barbell, having to pick the barbell up with one hand and load plates on

B

It i it is awful. Um but anyway, yeah, I think we got Goots out of his hand drinks covered pretty well.

A

Very good.

B

Like you said, quads, you don't really want as big quads near the knee. So we'll just go kind of nix that quick. But then if you want bigger rec fem, um obviously a leg extension, just seated leg extension. Um not really gonna beat that. You can do some kind of hip flexion where there's more tension when your hip is more extended, you know, in the in the bottom of the range of motion there.

Challenging Hip Flexor Training

A

And this is really the challenge, practical challenge, isn't it? Like we're now we've we've kind of covered off the easy bits. We've covered off the easy stuff, the apex tensors, and now we're kind of talking about the really complicated stuff. Not complicated, it's difficult because gyms aren't set up to

kind of provide this, are they? I mean so we want a really solid hip flexion uh kind of exercise. And obviously, um, you know, you've mentioned the rich morris so as major and they're kind of different ends of the resistance curve. So we've got the rectham at the beginning and then the SOAS major at the end. So kind of how are you how are you navigating that problem?

B

Yeah. Um, so when it comes to hypertrophy, like I said, for the Rec Femme, I basically do leg extensions, you know. That's that's really the go to.

A

So it's like the least worst option'cause it's really stable. It's not quite as proximal as you would want, but at least you're getting the rec fan being trained. Okay. Yeah.

B

And I mean I will do some hip like I said, hip flexion with like more tension is in a more extended hip position. Um, but again, most machines aren't really set up super well for it. Um I'll do hip flexion on a lying leg curl, which I know has gotten pretty popular. I've seen that around. I do like that one and depending on the way you set your your body position, you can change where the the resistance is.

is hardest, so a little bit at least depending on the lake girl you have. Um but, you know, that'll be a nice one.

A

I know I mentioned that. Yeah, so I guess if you're if you're lying if you're lying on your back, then you would be mo more so erectus femoris, because it's not gonna be it's not gonna be completely extended hip position, but it's probably gonna be about thirty degrees, isn't it?

B

Yeah, it'll be much more extended. And then if you

A

And then if you start sitting up a little bit then you can kind of to Twiggle.

B

A little bit like that. And if you have something to place behind you, behind your back, you know, if you're sitting up, you don't want to just be kind of flopping around hanging there. Um place something behind your back. But yeah, you can change that a little bit. Um cable hip flexions, you know, I really like. You just brace hands and that on one end of a cable stack.

you know, it's tied around your ankle and then you flex in from there. You can do them lying on your back as well, I've seen, but uh, you know, once you get heavy they're they're a little hard to to be super stable with. You know, I mean the weight's gonna pull you around a little bit. So I generally go for the standing option more often. Um and then just brace on the other side of the rack. And then the other one that I had mentioned before we hopped on was

Something like a hanging bent knee leg raise with a with a dumbbell, something like that. Um not not a perfect option, but if you especially if you place something behind your back. to make it a little more stable and keep from swinging around. Um, you know, just keeping in the range of motion, like kinda in the bottom before you would start flexing the spine a lot and the abs would start taking over.

Um, that'll be a decent enough hip flexor exercise, especially if someone has very minimal equipment, you know, they don't have a cable stack, they don't have a leg curl. Yeah. Um, those are the scenarios where I program those. a lot more often. And they definitely work. I definitely see you know, see growth and see progress with them. So, you know, again, not perfect, but minimal equipment, a decent enough option.

A

Yeah, I mean, as we were uh kind of analysing these before we came on the uh podcast today, I was saying my primary concern really with the the hanging variations is just the extra muscle groups that are being used to hold ourselves. You know, so you're kinda losing that kind of motivator you want to go to your hip flexor is being used to kind of hold you in the air and then some people get a bit of a cardio response from just hanging there and then that's like

B

Yeah, especially if someone's not.

Super like

A

Familiar with uh kind of that yeah. If they're not done a ton of pull ups or anything then it's gonna feel

B

Yeah, it can be quite hard to hang for a whole set with a heavyweight and like

A

Th there there are like hip flexion machines. I mean that I think in in some gyms they're like four way four way hip uh machines that will do hip flexion. It's just they're not in every gym. And you know, some of them

B

Oh.

A

don't have, you know, kind of a large stack, so you you kind of relatively quickly start maxing it out. But, you know, for some people, you know, that's definitely gonna be an option and you can kind of hold on to the machine to stabilize yourself. You know, it's not horrible. Um I think it definitely needs to be said that, you know, gym equipment generally serves hip extension very, very well and doesn't serve hip flexion very well at all.

Um, and I think that means that really, if we're looking for um I mean like if you think about this in competitive terms. you know, everyone wants to focus on the hip extension stuff. But you know, if you're thinking as an S and C coach trying to support um uh an athlete who's trying to improve their sprinting ability

Do you really think that your kind of exercise selection and programming on hip extension stuff is going to be better than another guy's uh or girl's hip extension programming? I mean it's probably not. I mean, everybody's kind of working with the same exercise selection and kind of loading. You know. But if you can kind of find a way to get hip flexion to work, then nobody really is gonna be competing with you at that. Th with very few people are gonna be doing that. So

I think that's kind of one of those really interesting areas that we can sort of genuinely demonstrate value as a as an S coach is like, well yeah, we've got these exercises that we do. We're loading them, we're comfortable with programming them, we know how uh to uh make sure that they work properly.

you know, I think that's definitely gonna be a value add that other people aren't necessarily going to be bringing to the table. And that then makes the athletes that we're, you know, kind of serving, um, you know, kind of better uh than other people's athletes, if you like. So yeah, you know. Um so cool. Okay. So um

So we've got a number of kind of okay uh hip flexion exercises. Um again, um, no, uh uh competing with some pretty, you know, impressive hip extension exercises, so that's to be to be expected.

B

Yeah.

A

Um, cool. And and obviously we talked about how we're avoiding creating too much quad hypertrophy in this context. We're also avoiding creating too much. Um kind of uh calf muscle hypertrophy. And uh of course your favorite to be all this anterior exercises should be excluded as well.

B

Yeah, yeah. Don't if you're trying to run fast, don't do them. Please. Um

A

But it needs to be said that of course, you know, it's not that we're neglecting these muscle groups, like the quads and the cars, it's that they need to be trained differently with the understanding that they're not contributing positive power output. to the movement and they're not um you know kind of want we don't want them to be too large. So we do need them to be able to transmit the forces into the ground. And that's why we focus on the eccentric stuff.

Avoiding Ineffective Sprinting Exercises

You know, so we would be obviously as we've talked about previously in sprinting uh kind of discussions, we would be programming eccentric work uh for the quads and the hamstrings and probably some kind of eccentric work for the plantar flexors, more likely in the context of apply metrics. exercise rather than a genuine uh eccentric overload, but it's fundamentally more or less the same thing, just different velocity. Um

So, you know, that's how they are being trained. They're still being trained. They're not being neglected. It's just that the focus is different. We're not focusing on hypertrophy'cause we're not trying'cause hypertery ultimately is mainly about power production.

Um, you know, so we're trying to add kinetic energy to the movement. We don't really need that lower down the kinetic chain. We need the ability to absorb um, you know, kind of uh the uh forces as we hit the ground or the kinetic energy from the previous gate cycle. Cool. So okay. Um so basically what we've got then is some really solid um hip extension exercises, some hip flexion exercises to go along with that.

Um, are you programming anything else or is that uh in terms of hypertrophy focus for sprinting, or is that basically the kind of um you know, the uh the framework that you're working with?

B

Yeah, I mean that that pretty much covers it. You know, hypertrophy it's it's one adaptation. It's pretty simple. Of course, of course. So don't try to overcomplicate it.

A

Yeah, I mean we've got we've we've talked about other kind of uh important aspects that uh you know go into sprinting uh kind of programming, but uh this is just literally for hypertrophy. Cool. So, um before we uh jumped on the podcast you mentioned to me uh a selection of exercises that you see um other people programming, very um renowned strength coaches programming still.

B

Yep.

A

for improving sprinting performance. Can you uh kind of uh just give us some examples of those and why they're not uh great ideas?

B

Yeah, I mean anybody who follows me um will have seen my arguments lately, but still we won't name names. But yeah, I've seen some very big time coaches and uh their legion of followers. Praising very unstable, un you know, not really useful variations, um, single-legged RDLs, you know, with a dumbbell with no support, um, all kinds of step-up variations, again, not supported, all kinds of you know, skater squats.

um things like that and and really raging against uh you know more stable standard exercises. Um one of them said that Back squatting, RDLs, uh with a barbell specifically, and hip thrusts were the three worst things you could do. And I mean obviously we covered why, you know, the quads, obviously around the knee and stuff size wise, might not be so important. Probably not a good thing, you know, maybe a net negative. But, you know, squat, not a terrible exercise.

RDL, again a stiff leg's better, but you know, compared to an unstable single leg dumbbell RDL, our barbell barbell RDL is infinitely better. And then obviously the the hip thrust Is it top your extra?

A

No bad word can be spoken against the

B

No and if you want glute hypertrophy and you should want glute hypertrophy, you should be doing them. The idea that it is gonna be a negative for athletes has absolutely no basis. And if you're using these unstable exercises with with dumbbells and that especially, if you're trying to create, you know, hypertrophy in any of these muscles compared to the specific stable variations, you're gonna be getting nothing done. Um if you're getting really good at the exercises,

Cool, that's not the goal. You're getting good in the example. You're getting coordination gains, you're getting, you know, better balancing in a skater squat. That's awesome. Cool. Um, is that gonna help you as much as just a leg extension, a hip flexion, a stiff leg, a hip thrust like Absolutely not. Um not even just for us.

A

That's the error, isn't it? That's the error we've spoken about before, and that's that um a lot of S and C coaches believe that coordination improvements in a somewhat unstable type exercise transfer to sporting situations and they don't. the coordination is specific to the practice uh the thing that you're practicing. So as you were saying, you get better at doing the single leg uh squat variation.

Um you don't get better at then, you know, kind of sprinting. Uh the coordination doesn't transfer. It doesn't make you better at that

B

Is it you've seen people do these exercises for a period of time and I certainly have. I watch people do unsupported split squats, lunges, you know, singling RDLs, all these things for you know weeks and months. And you'll notice very quickly that nothing happens to their legs, really hardly at all. In terms of growth, they look the same. Um, their strength and the exercises is increased.

But then when they go to to jump they don't jump higher. When they go to run they don't run faster. When they go to do a a stable, you know, exercise, like a normal exercise. They're not very strong at it. They're just good at this exercise they've coordinated for months. and that it's it's just so not transferable. And I don't know how people still cling to that idea that they're super useful and, you know, you know, the quote unquote functional.

A

And I mean ultimately um many of the variations apart from the the single leg RDL, um, you know, many of the variations you were listing out there are squat variations. Yeah. really what we kinda want to focus on. I mean, we want that uh hip focus, we want the hip extensors to be

kind of developed. And yes, the squat does develop the hip extensors, but it develops knee extensors faster. So you kind of uh you you're not in the kind of the ratio that we're looking for. Um we want uh kind of hip uh dominant exercises really, uh like we were talking about earlier. Um, you know, and I'm uh I'm guessing there's probably not very much on the hip flexor side, uh, in their training programmes either.

B

I am not seeing it. Um yeah, like I said, really not much on the hip extensor side either, since they're doing some unstable exercises. Yeah.

A

Yeah. Sure, yeah. It's the the instability is the issue'cause it reduces the uh recruitment level of the agonist muscles and means that you don't really get the um kind of well you don't get a recruitment increase and you don't get a hypertrophy uh kind of uh benefit either really. A little bit of one I suppose. But these are trained athletes, so they're not gonna see that much change. Um

B

And one of the one of the arguments I heard was, uh, again, same person, you know, fifty percent less load and better form is a good thing. Well, the reason you're using fifty percent less load is'cause you're not recruiting anything useful when you're not you're on one leg balancing. Like that's not

A

The percentages hang on a minute.

B

Yeah, exactly.

A

Yeah. Like we were talking about the hip thrust as an example. I mean, that it's gonna be just nowhere near fifty percent. I mean it's gonna be like twenty five percent most of the time. Many of the exercises are gonna be quite low in comparison. If you're using the other leg as a support, then okay, you can start to see some uh numbers close to fifty percent, I think. Um No one but really unsported nowhere near. And and really you should be getting like um

it's sort of sixty percent really for the you know, because of the bilateral force deficit. So yeah uh if we want to actually be saying, okay, you know, you're getting a comparable situation really and benefiting from it being unilateral, we would want to be really at kind of sixty percent. So like in in stable uh exercises we want to be hitting more than our, you know, kind of fifty percent of our bilateral effort. but you know i don't think that's ever gonna happen in the

B

Never gonna happen. No, I mean I can I can hip thrust six plates aside and my best deadlift ever was six hundred. If I do a single leg unsupported dumbbell Romanian deadlift, it'll be like an eighty pound dumbbell. Like I'm not I'm not getting anything from that.

A

So yeah. Uh but yeah, that instability is creating some really uh severe issues for uh motin equipment, which means that we're not getting the recruitment adaptation, which is massively transferable. And we're not getting a hypertrophy adaptation, which again is massively transferable. I mean, I think ultimately what it comes down to is people just think coordination is transferable and they can kind of just benefit from these or, you know, uh kind of um w whatever other um

uh adaptation like balance improvement or whatever it may be. They thinking those things co activation change, thinking those things might be transferable between movement patterns and they're really not. Something else she said though about technique

I think this is something that again is really important where people are obsessing about technique. And I've got no problem with people, you know, wanting to make sure that their technique is, you know, kind of solid and, you know, um looks appropriate, but there comes a point I think where obsessing about it is taking you away from the purpose of the exercise that you're trying to achieve.

B

100%

A

Changing your technique to be a particular way is by definition an internal focus of attention. And I think some people can lose that. They go, Oh no, no, no, I'm not using a mind muscle connection I'm like, I'm not saying you are. Um mind muscle connection is a subset of internal focus. Internal focus literally just means that you're trying to move your body consciously in a certain way. Um, rather than focusing on the output of your uh kind of body on the environment.

So if you're focusing on just kind of lifting the weight, that's more of an external focus. If you're focusing on lifting the weight in a certain way, that's an internal focus. And that's taking you away again from what you're actually trying to potentially do, depending on what you're trying to do. Um You know, so again, people are like, Oh, we're trying to improve coordination but we're trying to also make technique good and like we pick one because you can't do both.

B

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A

I mean they're literally opposing to each other. That's kind of uh something that I've been trying to focus on uh uh more recently, is trying when people talk about technique and they're like, Okay, but you are you definitely talking about technique or are you talking about coordination? Because they are actually different things.

Coordination is about making the movement better, technique is about looking a certain way. And you can't they're not actually the same. Um so again the confusion I think uh exists there, not only in terms of

what adaptations are transferring from the exercise to the spore, but actually even what adaptations you're trying to create. Because if your focus is on technique rather than coordination, you are actually just focusing on making the exercise look pretty rather than actually improving the t uh coordination of that exercise in terms of making your self capable of lifting a heavier w a weight in that exercise. I mean

B

Yeah.

A

There's kind of multiple issues going on here. But anyway. Cool. So that is kind of what you're seeing. You're seeing a whole bunch of kind of unstable squat variations being used to develop athletes, which is probably not going to be helpful for sprinting. Are you seeing anything else or is that kind of the most egregious sin that you are observing at the moment?

B

And that's definitely the most egregious um the the anti hip thrust thing I I do see.

A

Oh, my gosh.

B

I just so anti hip thrust and you know, actually, you know, funny enough a lot of them are very And these are these are different coaches than who I just mentioned. A lot of them are very pro back squat. And even what I mentioned to you when we were chatting a few weeks ago, very pro front squat.

for sprinting and uh very specifically pro front squatting with a slow eccentric in this case. Um but I why you would think that's gonna have a great transfer and then a hip thrust would have bad transfer. is just absolutely mind boggling. My brain explodes.

A

Yeah. Not not not s not an exercise that would be in our top uh exercise list, I don't think, for for special.

B

I love doing them but I I mean I don't really right now but

A

I can't say that I would ever I've ever loved Dave.

B

I don't think they have tons of value for an athlete most of the time. So many better options.

A

Absolutely. Cool. Um, awesome. So that's probably a wrap for today. Um, hopefully that has been an interesting walk through hypertrophy training for sprinting. We will come back with another topic next week.

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