Cut Throat City star Kat Graham!

And I remember thinking, I don't know if you remember, you know, like where you were at life at that point, but I remember going, like, there's all this Twilight phenomenon, why are you coming out with a vampire Diary show? And then everyone watches it and I saw the pilot and then you see this and you're like, holy cow, yeah like it, I mean, that's impressive. You know, it's like, no, it was a monster that that show was a vampires

A Monster's obviously seasons eight seasons. Obviously we're talking about because that is going to be our guest today that Dave and I have brought to you, and that yes, our podcast very exciting. Yes, my bodyguard is back, by the way, Dave, I still don't understand that that whole phenomenon. Do what do you actually do you understand because look at the look at the physique on this mail. I know, I mean he's built like out of stone. But right, well, what do you want any guy that built a stone

to be your bodyguard? But it's the fact that you need a bodyguard. But then it makes sense because you're so hated that it makes you know. Look, I'm going We had Keyan Johnson on the show and he was talking about method acting. I'm going method with it. Like Brian Andrews here, he doesn't even sleep in a bedroom. He just sleeps right outside my door. I mean, it's seven. He's in the next gen hyperbolic chamber. It's all about next gens. A shout out day that was so sad.

All right, let's get tired, Yeah, let's get let's have enough about next gen. Let's go so our next guest graced us with her presence for eight seasons, eight seasons, Day eight, big season. That's a lot of it's a great run. Eight seasons on Vampire Diaries, not the Vampire Diaries that's correct, and now you can watch your playing opposite Schmick Moore to meet your ship Junior, Asa Gonzalez, Ethan Hawk, Wesley Snipes t I. It goes on and on in the smash hit Net Netflix original. Well kind

of original, kind of original. I'm just throwing it all out there. Cutthroat City, Please welcome to the Hey Pal Podcast Show, Miss Cat Graham Cat, how are you? Yeah, so happy to see you again. And you know, obviously Kyle Beastie producer is um one of the awesome producers of cut Throat City. And you know this is this is family really, so I'm happy to be here. This is family, excited, We're excited to have you. And we got Rocky here for his first appearance on the Hey

Pal Show at your request, Yes you did request Rocky's presence. Um. All right, so let's just get into it. So Jared and I were talking, uh last night, and you were on a hit show for eight seasons, um, which is which is awesome to have a run like that. And it's similar to athletes that are on a team, you know, for eight seasons, where you know they know where their

paychecks coming from, they know that there's that consistency. You know, they're with the same kind of for the most part, the same teammates, you know, somewhear the same cast or same crew. And so we were curious, is too, if you prefer that where you're on a on a show like that for a long run, or if you prefer bring like a free agent where you're working on different projects here and there, like Cutthroat City or Operation Christmas Drop, where you kind of you leave to go do your

own thing. Um, So we were just curious, what what do you prefer? Do you prefer being on one show for a long run or do you prefer the different projects. I think I don't. There's so many different kinds of actors. There's actors that are really happy to be on a show and just do it for twenty Rocky, I have to do it for twenty years. You know, I am the kind of person that I do like to play

different characters. And you know, even while I was shooting this show, I was, you know, um doing other projects and doing other films and um dropping albums and stuff. So I was um, even though I really enjoyed my experience on the show. Um, I was so excited to

get into other other projects and do other characters. And also, like I don't know how it works in sports, but like on on our show specifically, we had um a six year contract and it's like unbreakable UM and no matter what you're on the show, you can't get out of it. It's an ironclad type contract. And then you get to maybe renegotiate after six years for another couple of years and then you know, that's that was what I did. UM. But you know, I guess for for shows.

For I mean, for athletes, do they have a certain amount of years that they have to stay in the NFL or whatever, well they have they have contracts, have a bad season and they get just kind of sent to some to another team. Yeah, I mean they have contracts. But the difference, I guess would be there's trades that are involved where Yeah, but I mean it's it's it's it's fairly similar. I mean, she signed a six year.

Usually the big athletes are signing five years. And you know, if you were, if you were just going to work every day unhappy, you would have gone to your showrunner into the studio and you would have said, I'm unhappy. I think I want to leave and you would figure that out just like a big, big star athlete does,

you know. But it sounds like to us, And that's what Dave and I were talking about as Rocky, look, Rocky, you already left Rocky and now he's shaking talking about we've got we've got the smallest dog in our lab. Dave agreed to hold Rocky, and Rocky he already let go of Rocky, and Rocky is shaking. Um, but it's

but it sounds like cat. You know that that you you do like more of the free agent approach and and and you know you you like to go and dive into a character and dive into a movie and be that for three months, take your little, you know, breath of fresh air, and then go find the next project. I just I think I just spent most of my life being a bit scrappy. Like I was a backup dancer for a really long time and would jump from

like music video to show to this and that. Like I didn't know what it was like to be on a job more than just like a few days, right, you know. And I shot like five pilots that never got sold before Vampire Diaries. So I was like all right, I'm gonna go to Vancouver and shoot this little thing and it'll be like everything else that I do that I never have any luck in, you know, I don't. I never thought i'd be successful doing that. I was

a beat maker. I thought I was gonna like backup dads and then you know, sell some of my beats. And I was at the same time, right before Vampire Diaries, I was like running around the world pestering Will I Am and you know, doing beats for him. So I was I definitely lee didn't think that this was going to be the thing that brought me any recognition. Um, it was quite the opposite. And then when the show got picked up, I was like, oh, they're killing off

the white people. They are definitely going to kill me off. I am not. I refused to buy any furniture. I felt on an inflatable mattress for like the first six months of being on the show, and everyone's like, you're good, they're not going to kill you off. I'm like, I don't know. It's not even that I like it or don't like it, or didn't or wanted to or didn't want to like I mentally, UM never had the mind state of feeling comfortable, because that's that was never my

life up at to that point. And even when the show ended, um, I finally felt like myself again, back to being scrappy, back to being like, Okay, what's the

next job, what's the next thing. That's why I did like twelve projects after the show ended in the course of like two years, because that's my natural like my natural rhythm is that well, And I like how you put that because in sports, there are athletes that have those experiences where like they have, you know, a wife and kids, and they're not sure what city they're going to be playing in from one year to the next,

you know. So for example, like Danny Green, who won a championship with the Lakers last year, he was with the Toronto Raptors two years ago, the Lakers last year, in the Philadelphia seventies sixers this year. Yes, and he and like you said, he's kind of a scrappy guy that's been scratching and clawing and played for a bunch

of different teams and organizations. So for him, I think, you know, and it's it's pretty common with those type of players too that they just never that that's settled feeling. It almost doesn't seem real to them. I love to get you know, uh settled, and I'm sure my my um my partner would love for me to feel a bit more settled, even with like COVID and everything that's going on. I like, Okay, what's next? When are we shooting?

When are we leaving? What are we going? You know, it's I would love to calm down, um and be comfortable, but I don't think I'll ever be one of those artists. It's it was like twenty years of just NonStop hustle from one little tiny job to another. Eight years. It was great, but then most of that time I never even felt comfortable, you know, that nothing was going to change for me, especially if it's the show where they

like to kill off characters. They like the big you know, epic events, you know, and they were doing that every season, taking out huge series regulars. So it wasn't showed that you would feel comfortable in. They were doing it before Game of Thrones was doing it. Don't go anywhere, Hey, Pam will be right back after a word from our sponsors. So so cat speaking of comfortable, um, when an athlete has a home game right there in their home arena.

They feel good. You know, they're a little lighter, they're a little you know, more playful, more nervous. Oh well they're okay, Well that might This might lead to a good question then having like a homecoming, right, you have all this pressure and if you don't do well at your like, what was that one thing, I'm gonna really show my ass here that one guy that it wasn't I think it was Florida Greators and the guy throw

a shoe knew yeah in college this year. Yeah, he took his shoe off and forgotten the penalty messed up in Genesville. Yeah, yeah, he was moaning. But he probably had a tough time since he made that mistake or that fowl or whatever it's called. He had trouble dealing with being at home after that moment. So if you have a momentary lapse of judgment, or you make a mistake, or you actually don't catch a ball or something, that's more pressure because you're at home you have to deal

with it. I guess it's different if it's college football versus NFL, where you can play wherever. But that's that's a good point. It's a good point in Los Angeles, like my friends that I grew up with, or even like in front of you guys, or if like Kyle comes to set and it's a really hard scene because that's my friend and I like want to impress him, like I'm going to put more pressure on myself because you know what I mean, versus you guys being absolute strangers,

like I can mess up. They don't know it anyways, you know, I don't know. So so then so then at the end of the day, do you enjoy do you enjoy being a part of and playing more edgy um, you know, sort of the bad guy role, which is what we we liken to going on the road and playing in front of somebody else's home crowd, because then you're playing the spoiler role and it's more edgy and

everything just feels heightened. Or do you or do you feel or do you like like playing more you know, like Operation Christmas Drop, where you're you're just the likable charm sucker, So it's so great to be likable. I had a friend, um tell me not too long ago, and she was like, you know, if anyone really knew how weird you were, they'd stopped casting you in all of these regular roles. No rude but true. You know, I, Um, I like to play why I love to cut throat

cities so much. And it's literally my most favorite project that I've ever done. I'm not saying it because it's you guys, No really, it's it's honest and it's real and it says something. And um, you know, I love doing the rom coms and I and I and I like being happy, especially because eight years of this other show was a thriller with death and supernatural like just blood and you know, and running for my life. It's

nice to not run from my life for a little bit. Um. But all that to say, you know, I did grow up in um, not the easiest of circumstances, um, with not the easiest set of parents, and you know, with no money. So you know, a part of me feels like, um, a bit of a fraud if I am only playing characters that have it so easy and have these perfect relationships and have everything handed to them, and I just like, that's just not honest. So you have to have a balance,

like if you're going to do those roles. And it's great to bring love and happiness and and a great distraction for people to have, but you also want to bring awareness that most people don't have, that it's not real, and that there's a way to find um peace in the midst of unbearable and sometimes hopeless situations. So I'd rather play characters that feel like what I actually went through and what I you know, and the relation to how relationships are. They're not easy, so you know, it

has to be a balance. I don't know. No, I think that's great, and I also think you know. The point that you made about having a momentary lapse in judgment, I mean, that's exactly what I experienced when Jared became my co host. Was I had a momentary lapse in judgment that I've gone on to regret almost every day since. So be great. You made the guests laugh. Dave, Okay, Hey,

thanks Cat, thanks so much for coming. Bye, guys, bye doing this podcast a minute, right, we've been doing it for a minute and unfortunately known each other for longer than a minute. We have no need. We have known each other since I was I think I was twenty one and I just moved a town and I met Dave about three months into moving to l A. So we've known each other for like fifteen years. Oh my god. And then when did you guys meet Kyle Well, I Kyle and I Coyle. When do we get three years

ago we met? Yeah, we formed our company like three and a half years ago as we were doing that. That was when we decided to form our companies, when we were doing Cutthroat uh City. And then Dave met Kyle obviously when we decided to all do this podcast almost a year ago, and immediately decided I liked him more than I like Jared's so alright, hold ontat, hold on, We're gonna do something really quick, first time ever on the podcast. Kyle, come over here. He's gonna take over

for the next like ten minutes. Here we go. This is gonna be awesome. It already feels better in here, doesn't it. It does. It's just like an air of lighter positivity. It's not controversial. I liked him. It's just a major upgrade here on they pal podcast. Body, Rocky's super fired up. He's like stuck in my pocket. Why so, what's the next question? I don't even know what you guys are asking. All right, well, the next question not

prepped now, it's totally fine. So the next question, I played sports and I had like something like cool to like offer you guys that you were like really impressed by, like remember when you threw that thing and then you tackle that whatever. Well, I'll be honest, I had no idea about the shoe event, so you already better than me. Sports kyles about you listen, I know nothing, but obviously like Darren's from Fort lauderdut So it's just like it's

all that stuff about like the Gators. I'm always right, you know. I don't ask for updates, but I get them. Does you have does you have like pictures of Tim Tebow, like framed in the bathroom and the master bedroom? Thought him in terms of sports memorabilia is like a signed Muhammad ali Um boxing glove, but I got named Um, So I'm very proud of that. Well, that's way better than a Tim Tebow picture. That probably is better than although Tim Tebow just had a children's book come out. Well,

so Julian Edelman and Tim both have children's books. Should we do a sports star children's book playoffs? We probably yeah, yeah, that's all. I haven't seen the script alright, So this next question, it is sports relayed, but you'll be able to relate. So, um, the Green Bay Packers, that's a National football team. That's an NFL team for both of you. Green Bay Packers, American, American football American. Okay, I just want to all right. They had a quarterback by the

name of what's that? Not like Salka now, So they had a court with what accent was that? By the way, is that an accent? Not? Really? Okay, that's why that's why I was wondering better put it. That's what we're going off the rails. So the Green Day Packers at

a quarterback. He was named Brett Farve. He was their quarterback for years and years and years, and as his career was starting to wind down, and as his role was starting to wind down with the team, they drafted a player named Aaron Rodgers who was going to be the future for them, their new quarterback. So, Kat, you were on the show Vampire Diaries, and Nina dover Rev was essentially Brett Farve. She was, like, you know, the female lead of the show. And she carried the show

for however many amount of seasons. And then Kat Graham comes along and she's on the show, and she eventually becomes the female lead. I don't think so. I don't think that happened what you became the lead of the show though it was I don't. I don't think so. I mean, um, and when Nina laughed and by the way, she made a great appearance in the season series finale. Yes, um, I think that. You know, they just shifted naturally to other Um two were the ones that were left. So

I don't. I wouldn't say that I was the lead. I like to think that it really became more of an ensemble at that point. But it was definitely like I couldn't say that that became my show, but it definitely became more of an ensemble show for sure, and you got to see more of the other actors performances and less about this kind of like love Triangle, which was what the show was based on. Basically, it's it's

Jared here off screen. I know you can't see me anymore, but basically what I'm saying is Dave's question sucks, and now the kyles in within the chemistry is all thrown off here podcast I told that Mike was on, but it's actually not on. I like that. I to that misdirection. Alright, this is your big chance to ask a question long here, who's your favorite dog of all time? Well besides my own, like you can't. Here's the thing, guys, for anyone watching this.

I like Rocky so much at all the point, um, I started to ask Kyle to send me pictures of Rocky so that I could turn him into um everything from a super villain to a dictator. Um, we'll post these pictures on on the hip hop podcast Rocky Like it just became what's happening over there? Jared's kicking me out of this here switching places, And I gotta tell you, Rocky depth definitely has some super villain qualities to him.

I think it's like nobody will be able to tell on on screen, but like, I really love that dog. Don't go anywhere. Hey, Pam will be right back after a word from our sponsors. Why don't we talk about everything else that you guys are doing, also just in the film world, because there's gonna be a couple of film people maybe watching this, and or even my audience that might you know, want to watch other things that you guys have made. There's a couple of things that

came out last year. Other than obviously cut Throat City that you know, No, Cutthroat City is the only thing that we have ever made. I like the shift though, how Cat has now become the host and now she's asking questions. By the way, guys, I want I want all of ours. I want, I want all of our listeners to know. This is what happens when I leave the show. Our guest is now flustered, like I need to interview them. I am just happy to talk about those things. No, no, we we know that, and we

appreciate that. And you are the best, and you have you have supported us, and we will always support you. Let's get onto the next thing that we want to talk about that we think will be a little fun um. Dave and I always argue who could build a better super team? You know, in sports, they're building a lot of super teams. So if we gave Cat Graham the number one pick in the draft, only it's not athletes, it's actors, and then Dave and I will go next.

So we're gonna see who can build the best team. You want to do three or five? Dave or Cat? Pick three? Okay, so Cat Graham gets the first pick in the draft. Only it's the entertainment draft and you can't draft yourself. Who's Cat Graham picking number one? Gary old Wow, that was an awesome pick. Yeah, that's a really that's a good good pick because Gary can go comedy, he can also go drama. I mean you just picked a very diverse I mean that that's he that guy. Yeah,

he can go to work. Cat, Gary was actually going to be Ethan Hawk's roll. That is true. Conflict. I would have fell out. That would have been amazing. I I love them so much. That is very true. Okay, Dave, you want to go, or you want me to go, I will I will go next. Okay, I'll give you second shirt, Dave, take second pick. Awesome, Dave. My number one would be uh no, your number one. You have

the second pick, the second pick. I'm gonna go Anthony Hopkins. Yeah, okay, So Cat Graham has Gary Oldman, David Asako, that's really that's really your pick. Yeah, okay, You've got Anthony Hopkins. I am obviously going. I can't believe I have the third pick in the draft and he slipped this far down the line. I'm going with the goat. Leonardo DiCaprio. So I'm I'm I'm I'm getting Leo. Now it's back to Cat. Cat, you've got the the next pick in the draft. Who are you stacking on your team? Opposite

Anthony Hopkins? I mean Gary Oldman? Sorry, opposite Gary Oldman. Uh, gotta get all the beasties, you know, all the beast ones. Um. Um, yes, Viola, that's a great one. She's got Gary Oldman and Viola Davis. That's a great one. All right, Okay, David, I mean I'm owen. I'm going with someone I consider the goat. I'm going with Meryl. I mean, I got Anthony Hopkins and Meryl. You could tell Cat wanted Merril to slip so that she could have Meryl as well. Um, okay,

I'm gonna go with um. I'm gonna take Uh. I'm gonna take a guy where it's proven they've already been on the screen together and created magic. I'm going Mr Tom Hanks. Okay, I'm going Leonardo DiCaprio, Tom Hanks. And now we are back to Cat for the final pick of the draft. That's not that's not fair. Oh my god. Um, it's gonna sound really weird, but it's gonna pick John Malkovich. How does that sound? Weird? Sound? That's incredible. That's intense crew.

She's got the intensity of that crew. She's all of a sudden handed by the studio a comedy script. The intensity of that crew is pretty serious. That's that's pretty good. Okay, So Dave who who? So we've rounded hers out. We've got John Malkovich, Viola Davis, Gary Oldman. Yes, that's a hell of a lineup. You have Anthony Hopkins, Meryl Street, Meryl Streep, and who is who's the third? I'm gonna have somebody that I think is a pretty diverse actor that can do a lot of different things. I'm gonna

go with Tom Hanks. I said, Tom Hanks, what are you talking about? Do you not listen? I don't listen to you. What is going on? What is going on here? I don't listen to you. I do my own thing. Cat, Cat, can you can you implement some rules around here? Let me see, let me think about this for a second. Go with Tom Hanks, idiot, I don't listen to you, pal, I've kind of zone you out as much as I can pick your pick. Let me think of somebody you

know what I'm gonna give. I'm to give a young like a younger upstart an opportunity here, and I'm gonna go with um, I'll go with Timothy shallow me. Wow. Yeah, yeah, Cat, you're shaking your head? Yes, what do you what do you think about that? Yeah? Yeah, I'm gonna go with that. Okay, Cat says she likes him a lot. I think it's a fucking horrible pick. But all right, you're just jealous, pal. I mean, we've got great hair. You don't. That is so true. He has amazing He has got Kyle Tequila.

Nobody has Kyle Tequila Tequila. Nobody has that hair. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna go to round it out. I can't believe we've gone through three, six, seven, eight picks and nobody has said this name. But I'm rounding out Leonardo DiCaprio, Tom Hanks, and I'm ending it with a one Denzel washing It. Yeah, I knew it. You have to go Denzel. I mean, you put Denzel Denzel Leo. I have never done a movie together, but if you put them the movie's that would be amazing. So we're

gonna We're gonna take it. You know, we'll take it to the streets. We'll take it to our fans, and we'll let them decide. We'll come back and we'll let you know who ends up winning that that that little battle. Um, but I think I definitely Cat. Do you agree? I definitely think Dave's last thank you chat, thank you. I have an idea of a still beasts they are okay, Okay, then fine, Kat Graham, it is you are our guests on the hay Peal podcast. It is your episode, is

your show? You rank now that you've seen your three my three days three? Who came in first, who came in second, who came in third? I mean Anthony Hopkins. It's yeah. You know, I'm surprised either one of us, said Michael Caine. Yeah, I mean Michael Caine is Yeah, he's he's pretty incredible. He's in front. I'm I'm sticking by I think I think gram out of this because I don't want to get a bunch of comments. Okay, fine, I'll wait a lot of people have a little too

much time on their hands these days. I Am not going to give them a reason to use this. Um. All right, Well, we're having a great time here with Kat Graham. We are wait what we are having a great time? What are you doing? Well? We're gonna take a little break because we're gonna split the show. I don't I know you told you explain this to me on the previous episodes. I don't want to do that anymore. Can we just work at Graham right now? Right now, Dave,

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