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too. This episode of a human, I'm very excited to have for you guys to listen to It is with William Puck, who is a retired meteor neurologist and a current Ufo researcher. Super, duper cool. We had a great conversation. He told stories about different Ufo sighting. His own research, it was... It's just cool, man. I I dig it. I love me some aliens. So aliens. That's what matters. Ufo, researcher, William Puck on hay human podcast. Enjoy. Hello. Hey. Hi. How are you?
Well, they're not too bad. How about you? I'm doing well. Thank you. You're in Montana. Right? I am. House Montana. In in Helena, Montana? In Helena? That's where you are? Yep. Yeah. The Capital City of Montana? Good fishing. Yeah. You know, I used to fish a lot, but I I kinda got out of that. You didn't. Yeah. I I'm too busy Chasing Ufo. Well, I'm so excited. Thank you for being on the podcast. I'm excited to talk to you about it. Yeah. Now you are you from the Seattle originally or what?
Yeah. I'm from Seattle originally. That's correct. I've lived in Nashville 10 years. Oh, what what do you do there? A professional song, and I'm a painter, and I do a couple podcasts. Wow. Well, that's a pretty good, bio. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do a little bit of a lot. Yeah. My brother travels to Nashville our business from time to time. He works for a company called Maximus. So... Okay. What do they do? They developed software for the federal Medicaid system. Oh, okay. Interesting. Yeah. He
he makes a lot money. I never made much money there. Well, it's not everything. So... No. That's for sure. Yeah. Well, let's get started. I read about you online. And I it actually... I I tell the backstory here for for the listeners that I was in Seattle visiting my family, and I had taken some photographs in the sky.
And when I went back to look at the pictures, there was strange, light, and or that was in the pictures that seemed to be in a pattern different from what a normal pattern of something in the sky would be. And I thought, I'm and I send this to someone who might know what this is. And I found you online. That's how I
discovered you. And I had posted the pictures on my Facebook page and people pretty much immediately said, that's just a weird quirk of the light that iphones make, which was highly disappointing I was hoping to meet some aliens and go back to wherever where I was actually from, but oh, well. So telling about you. You meteor neurologist with your career path. Correct? Yes. I... I'm a retired meteor to probably ent only because I still I still do weather I'm a volunteer weather observer.
I also have a first class weather station and a and a webcam that looks at weather and also looks for Ufo. I actually got 4 of them, but 1 of them pulls up to the weather the underground site, and I collect rainfall data, solar radiation, off violent radiation, temperature pressure, Winds speed and 1 direction. And do you report that back to the news agency or It it go it goes up into weather underground website. Oh, okay.
And if people have the app on their iphone, if they're close to my area, then my site will pop up in their iphone or their cell phone. It's called weather underground? Yeah. Whether they're underground. They... They're not problem with their own by Iv Am, but they do you know, they click weather data all over the world, and I use it a lot for my
you a full research. Oh, how Well, for example, I'm working on a case right now of citing and a Portland Oregon area sure what can be which is south a Portland of a a video and photos taken of a kind of a white Ufo that's sat there for for 4 hours, and I'm looking at the wins off data to see how the
h object drifted. I'm also looking at adopt radar data, weather radar data, which is kinda hard to explain your list, but the the weather radar runs in what would call clearer mode in precipitation mode. When it's in clear mode, the operator turns a gain up, so it detects more more information in the atmosphere. It'll pick particulate birds insects. I was able to determine from the adopted radar that that that the everything was flowing to the southeast, which is way the object was going.
So in answer to your question, I'm looking at weather data to see, make a deduction of whether or not this particular object was moving with the wind. If I can prove it wasn't, then I can d probably wasn't a balloon or other flotation device. If it was, it means it may have been a balloon or flotation device. So that's an example another example would be to look at cloud heights. Say, for example, your light you saw in Seattle, let's just use that an example. Well,
perhaps it was a cloudy night. Well, if a cloud basis were 5000 feet that I know this thing was at least, go higher than 5 feet. So you can... Then you can do some angle or determinations, and then you can make some deductions, how big the was... So you just sort of get into this data loop, and but weather is a very important component to that. It's interesting. What what brought you from... When was the logical step of going from meteor person who clearly was always looking up?
To but to becoming interested in unidentified flying objects. Oh, I've been a meteor all just ever since I got my advanced degree. Master's degree in 19 73. And I I first became interested in Ufo and the 1 I took a job at the National Weather service in Alaska. Do you know Alaska as a weather forecast. And at that time, Air force just released our project Blue book report.
The, you know, a project Blue book went from 19 47 to 19 69 was the only official I use that word emphatic, government investigation Ufo, terminated 19 69, So then you're looking at a few layers later some books are written. So I read project boot. Well, there was 11000 sighting, nearly 800 loan identified. Well, I said, well, that's quite a few. So I got interested in, and then The Roswell incident sort of made its way into the news around 19 80. I read a book on that, of
course, says. There's been dozens of book written. And then the 19 eighties, a lot of documentaries are coming out in Ufo. So, I wonder if I can research that. So In the late 19 nineties, I start doing my own research. I bought my website up, which is Ufo Northwest. I urge your listeners to go to the site WWW dot UF0SNW dot com. If they say something, like you did, report it to me, a researcher it So that's kind of a bird's eye view of my interest.
You know, I I did get some interesting cases early on, 1 was the a copy of the alleged majestic 12 documents, which is the the committee allegedly approved by Harry Truman appointed by Harry Truman under investigate Ufo, and I had some documents. I thought may have been the originals. Of fortunately, the research working with lost him, which was very frustrating.
And then I had some photos from a a coworker over Uncle who had had been deceased for some 25 years we thought may have been alien beans, and I'd I'd grease research that in detail turns out that were hydro. Babies, un un uncharted hydro babies. Could you explain what that means? Hydro is is a disease where the the flu builds up in the spinal corn. And if it's not drained, it'll cause the head to grow. Oh, interesting.
And they they have a they have a function called shu where they they actually tap the neck to spinal column and drain out the fluid. So it's generally not a problem for some reason another, that was not done or done in time with these beings, and they look like aliens. And they had no sex organs where they were very. They run Gu, they were burned severely. Where... Where did you see this? This isn't in a book? No. I had the actual slides. Taken by this, my coworkers Uncle was x,
he'd been deceased 25 years. He was a head of not every department, at Temple University for years. Okay. And so he had access to these... He he had these photos in a slide box. And when they when they separated out his belongings, my coworker father who was just brother kept these. And then when he died in my coworker worker found a slaves. Now were they human... They were humans that happened to have genetic malfunction or... I don't know if hydro is genetic or
not. I'm not a doctor. I think a degree It is, hereditary. Well, she you said that with the Gen italia was not developed either. So I mean, that's... Well, that that was pretty strange. You know, the gen were very or or or nutty system, and that's never really like the hands were formed. You know you go out and on, but I've had several doctors, plastic surgeon even doctor Cyril we, who's a very famous. He's on seeing an he wrote a book and do it when a Ramsey. Forensic pathologist
look with these. He's the first 1 that told me there were hydro alex. I also posed a question to doctor We. I said, I've you ever seen anything like that before. He said, no, he hadn't. And doctor We has done a lot of auto tops. The the strange thing about this case, I believe they were Hydra valley But the thing about it is is in that same slide box.
There was a slide of an atomic test on the Nevada test range I went into the Atomic Energy commission, and on their website, and I filed the actual date of the test in the name of the it was project dog, May 19 52. Now in 19 70 when these slides were taken, those tests were classified. They were not d until many, many years after that. So my... What I term through pop and other re... Ufo researchers like Nick Red and some other guys.
The the military in the 19 fifties would put out corpses and these close to these nuclear bombs and look at see what affects nuclear radiation would have. It could've have been that. How and he got the slides, why he had them. Sure. Well, there are course farms that are used now. I mean, that's that's how science figures out what happens to us when we die, How the elements affects bodies. Fbi uses that data to determine how long bodies have been out in elements
and things like that. So I've had a really interesting book about a Corpse farm. I wouldn't wanna work there. I bet it's quite. Not very stimulating work and, you know, not not not really conducive to a good night's sleep. You know Well, it wouldn't be not so much as the detail of the book was that I... This the first time I've ever read a book that nearly made me vomit, which It well, that's impressive on the writers side. Right. Those are those are a couple of cases I got my feet wet
in the Ufo field. And then and then in 2003, I bought up my site And I used to get probably 3 or 4 reports a day. I do not anymore because there's just so many civilian groups, including Von, Nasa Ufo reporting center, and people collecting Ufo report that it's fairly competitive to get reports. But I get enough reports that keep me busy, and certainly, you know, once in a while, I do come across something that's quite interesting and worthy of, more in depth, analysis.
I read that 1 of the first sighting over Ufo dated back to 18 nineties, at least as far as writing it down or talking about it. I don't know whether it was in the United States or in Europe. But I mean, I was definitely before things like Photoshop could fake it. So So have you yourself seeing a Ufo? Your you person... I. I have to truthfully say I have never cited 1. I have found them on my security camera. I've...
1 time I was doing a Ufo field investigation in Seattle, and I I had a habit a shoot pitcher from the the site in the each of the cardinal directions. When I went home and looked at the photo, I a boomerang object in the background. This would have been over probably I don't know. Bellevue is, that particular area in the Seattle area. I don't know what that was, it could've have been a flotation device. Here in Montana, I photographed photograph 1 with my security cameras,
that I thought was kinda of strange. I I got radar data from the Faa I found a couple of blip, radar blip right in the area when I saw the object. Is it Ufo? I don't know. Can't explain it. Could have been something else, but no. I have never seen on. But I... You know, I'm kind of my my own worst skeptic. I mean, I'm I'm fairly inc when it comes to seeing south. I mean, I really
am. I would prefer my researchers to be skeptics, though because that way, you're not destroying the evidence with your own mind. Right. However, Thinking... I I will say that I'm somewhat gullible to... I mean, I I do look at information and and I get pretty excited sometimes, about photos and videos and radar data, and and even eye witness reports. I mean, you know, the sky is almost the limit in in and where in terms of awareness, you know, of reports that I received, very, very strange
encounters that some people have. Yes. So... They're just. As well. Alaska, I think Alaska is a hotbed. And I mean, I've... When I was walking my dog, when I hear Nashville, he's he's since passed away, but this was probably 2 years ago, and it was about 11:00 at night, and I was walking him up on this hill. It was quite dark out. And I looked up, and there were 3 lights in the sky that were quite bright, and I thought of those planets.
And then I... As I looked and as I watched them, they moved together all at once to, you know, together in a straight line up, and then down, and then they were just banished. And I thought, well, shooting stars don't going threes, I don't thing, and they certainly don't have that significant of a pattern. I feel like so many people have had experiences where they see something and I think, not. I that can't be. But I mean, I believe that there must be alien life.
My gosh. Who cannot be the only 1 our little tiny blip of an arm. There must be. And Lord knows they've gotta be smarter than us. That's absolutely absolutely. So I get excited when I when I hear people talk about it or see people as I was joking at the beginning of this. And you know I'm just waiting for them to come back and say, oh, sorry. We left you behind. Come on. You know? Well, actually, you know, let look just you you're citing that you just outlined. I mean, I I can't explain that.
I mean it... It's obviously not a meteor because it it it moved in, you know, some abrupt changes in direction. Yes. It's not satellites. Yes. There are tri sat lights that the military flies, but they're not gonna be changing direction. So, you know, what did you see? I mean, it's hard to say it and they can't... It could... Perhaps it could have been reflections of light from the ground. Although normally, I would only to see that on cloudy night or the...
Because it the the light needs to have a background to retract the photons. And you need, of course, a cloud is or f photons. But normally, the atmosphere doesn't do that unless there's fairly steep what we call temperature inversion density and then some times, but, you know, I mean, it it it because you... It leaves you scratching in your head with cases like that. So let's talk about our Roswell for a second. Has that all been d? Is that now
all out in the open? The truth the truth about Roswell is nothing's been d because nothing's been admitted it. From the government standpoint, Ras will never happened. Really? I mean, there has never been any information from the federal government at all related to Roswell. Nothing. 0. Everything about Roswell has come from witnesses, from newspaper articles. Right. From military people, that we're there, but as far as an official government document. There is nothing on Roswell. I think does.
Congressman been Stephen Schiff who is Dc who was district Congressman from that representing, Roswell was included in his district requested when he was Congressman a government accounting office to do an audit of all records with Roswell. And all federal agencies that could have had records. They came back and said they had nothing and that the were records that had been destroyed. Perhaps related to Roswell. Now I say that there was 1 document and I'm trying to remember what it was.
That was recovered from a government archive that was related to Ross But a lot of the skeptics claim was planted there by a Ufo researcher that never came. So out of the government archive. So from my standpoint, I have never seen anything released on Rosa. The only thing I'll say ruth about government documents, when I when I work for the history channel. On the Ufo hundred series, I I did research for them. I was on a couple of episodes also, but
most of the... My work was research on projects. 1 of which was Roswell. And I I requested weather data for for Roswell Army Airfield, in July 19 47, Can I got it? So though... Those are records. Those are government records not ready to the Ufo. The interesting aspect to that As I believe it was on July eighth or ninth, when allegedly the debris was flown from Roswell Army Airfield the cars will air force space in Fort Worth. On that date, the weather observer was gone.
Gone. Now, keep in mind, this is the rainy season. Severe thunderstorms pop up in south eastern or New Mexico in July. This is the only military base in the world of the time had nuclear weapons b 29 bombers, they had 12 nuclear weapons in Roswell at the time that the spacecraft allegedly was recovered. So why was the observer gone? Now, I took that information the time because dark Jesse Marcel junior lived in Helena. He handled a debris as a 11 year old.
I talked... I had a lunch of doctor Marcel. He just... He died here a couple of years ago. I gave him that data... And he was kind of impressed with it. He also added doctor Marcel that the the the debris that was photographed at Car Air force space the balloon, the balloon envelope was sitting on the floor? The balloon envelope is an envelope that they... The balloon is stored in. Why would a balloon
envelope be sitting on the floor. The reason is sip on the floors is because they got it under storage. That's why. Yeah. Sorry And that's a long winded ashford to or question, but... Do you think there's a? On try... There's nothing been released. So... Sorry. I mean interrupt you. Do do you think there's a correlation with the fact there was nuclear devices being stored there, and there was a sighting. Yes. Very well could be the case because Ufo love nuclear basis. Tiny mean.
Well, they... They're... Some of the most compelling sighting have been on nuclear bases. I mean, Roswell, you know, area 51, a white and air force space, now I'm notched Missouri at IA2 very good Ufo cases. Ellsworth air force space, wrap city south Dakota. Minor Air force space mine not North Dakota? Do you think being fuel? Is that why? No. I think they're they're just looking at... See how far we've come? Sorta to auditing our our nuclear arsenal. Yeah. That makes sense.
I mean, the the cases at White, and I had 2 cases 01:19 83 another 19 98 in the middle of the night, And in 1 case, they had... They call them eagles, the their their their what... Their weapon storage facilities. Out of the 20 eagles, 2 of them stored nuclear weapons. The Ufo were shooting down beams for these 2 eagles. They knew right where their nuclear weapons were. So... Wow. You know, interesting. Read between just read between the lines. Of course, bent Waters England. That's another
very, very major case abroad. What happened there? Well, that's where sergeant Penn and and and Airman Burrows you know, saw those lights outside the base and then they they got Colonel halt to come with him, and that's when he had that audio tape, and they you know, they saw his Ufo and and sergeant Penn and had walked up to with the night before and touched the darn thing. You know, they had
radiation readings. They had land traces, the whole 9 year cards and sergeant Penn and burrows are very ill right now because of exposure to this Ufo.
When I when I was in Chicago 2 years ago, I I was filming for a close connor series, that's on the discovery channel at castle that series, but those episodes I'm sure are are available probably on Dv, d Dvd and probably through Youtube, in other outlets, but anyhow, The producer or the director told me that he had talked to Borough in Penn recently, and they were both very ill from this situation. I don't know if they got cancer, what but they're... They're trying to get on disability. What how
to do the documentation that they took? Is it is it classified? Well, that particular case, there is very little official government release of records, British ministry defense release and documents, but the actual Bent waters, even Colonel Halt couldn't get information on it and he was privy to the site. So, the interesting thing about Bent waters I'm I'm friends with a guy that helped me out a lot, Doctor Jill Ryan was on the West Coast.
And doctor Ryan was chief scientist the air force of Nato. And his first job, this was as a civilian, was at bet waters in the early eighties. Well, I this Ufo incident, they shipped all the personnel out of there, and he didn't even know about the case to let aired an chief doctor Veteran. Really? But he saw a Ufo reports come across as jeff from fighter pilots they were all set a lang weight in Virginia, all the Ufo reports. So
those are a few, there many more. Another 1 bang base in up there in Northwest Washington would be able able station, though... Those are both facilities at house nuclear weapons? I had to say that a lot of my friends who live up in the northwest, they they of the most sighting, the the people I know up there. I get the house sighting from Washington and Oregon and need other state. I do. I wonder why that is.
Good question. I mean, that was the case in the summer in 19 47 when Kenneth Arnold, you know, first to 06/24/1947 when he said it those 9, there there was a lot of research done with newspaper articles. And in the summer 19 47 Washington state per capita by far and larger at the most Ufo sides followed closely by Oregon. And I did a study in the early 2 file 2003. Same thing. More and more Ufo shortage for capita in Washington state.
I don't know why. So try and you intended just to air on the skeptics side doing your research, which I think is healthy. But do you believe that we have been visited by other be beings from another place, whether it be dimensional and or planetary Yes. I believe we happen our being, and, you know, there's an ongoing thing. There there's a couple of several theories about that. I do not think that interstellar trial are coming in an auto for a regular basis.
I believe you you hand hit on higher dimensional payroll universe They could... A lot of them could be that. But there could be alien basis on earth of alien beings that have been here a long time. There's also another theory that bi pedal rep, which have been seen. I I got a report recently at 1 they're seen in remote areas. I'd love to hear about that. Maybe when the dinosaurs got killed. A lot of reptile went underground and maybe the evolve intelligent species.
Another theory is that the nazis may have developed flying sauce or technology after, you know, during the war and after the war, they got bases at Antarctica. That's another theory. So... And it could all of the above. But I do believe that they are here, they're that they have very advanced technology systems. And but I can't prove that. I believe it, but I can't prove it. If you could prove it, you probably wouldn't be alive. Yeah.
Yeah. That's so. I mean, III always joke with my friends and I sound like could conspiracy theorist, but everything's a conspiracy until it's proven true. And I don't know why it's so out of the realm of possibility
to people. You know, if I'm a an exceptionally intelligent being, and I don't wanna be seen, I'm not gonna be seen I don't find it to be so surprising, but I also don't think personally, and I feel like Probably more than 1 for lack of a better word race of being, and I know people are gonna think I'm a luna sick, but I don't care. Let I also think that there's no way that
our... At some point, our government, somebody in our government, some military, somebody But then to say, absolutely emphatic know and to say that it doesn't exist and all that. It seems pretty ridiculous to me. Especially give it all the sighting. Every... There's so many sighting. It's like saying dogs don't exist. Right. Let me comment on a couple of things you said, you mentioned signings in the 18 hundreds and you also mentioned...
Government knowledge. Well, here in Montana, in a town near Ban, which is, let's old Western town. Is that where Henry P was hanged in the 18 hundreds of an outlaw. But anyhow, us a gentleman that's he's a retired tide and treasurer on her Hunt does a lot of gold and silver hunting, and there's a lot of mining in Montana, and he likes to go to old abandoned minds and treasure out. Well, anyhow, he came across his diary of a stage coach manager, Box 18 seventies said a spaceship crash near Ban.
So we we researched it. We went down or it's in a ferry remote area, takes an all terrain vehicle to get in there. Is infested with rattle snakes. It's high. It's like, near seventh, I didn't see any rib phoenix by the way. But I had a heart time getting my gear in there, but we we took a lot of measurements and everything, and I didn't find anything compelling other than some magnetic anomalies, but the area looks to be artificial. It
looks like it's doesn't belong there. Well, anomalies The real bottom line in this story is that this pilot a retired pilot kept getting these calls from Nas sir. Wanting to know, hey, what's going on? We want... We want to know what's in this area. He would he ignored them Finally, 1 day a few weeks later, this Suv pulls up by his house with Nasa side. 4 guys get out men. And they said you're gonna take us up to this craft. And he said, All drive said, no. Your
riding with us. They spent all day up there. They had all kinds of gear. And finally, they left, you know, at the end of the day and they said nothing is there. This was a meteor crashed. There's no meter rocks or or meter rocks or black. And my take on the whole thing is, number 1, they weren't Nasa. They were Cia, well And number 2, we had the phone number that they called and we we call that phone number and it was auto order, and that's a Lang leave Virginia phone number.
That's where the Cia is located. And they threatened him, and I say, well, he's bull and smoke well, when when the agents were there, whoever they were. 1 of his friends, otter of town friends called. And and and warren the name of my contact passed the phone to 1 of the agents, and they told this guy you stay out of there, and this guy told a f off. And so why they were interested because they did not want civilian people potentially filing, finding you an alien spacecraft.
Potential alien artifacts. They found out about it for the media because it's got some coverage in the local media. Sure. And and they found they didn't find anything. But what that told me is yes. They do have a vested interest in Ufo. And this was a case where they might have slipped through their fingers. So they took an interest in until they didn't find anything. So old case and number 2, a case of government interest.
Yeah. What is the most compelling Ufo sighting that you have researched yourself that you could speak? That's a call question because there's been so many. 1 that stands out to me is a case in dana point California, I believe it was March 2007. The guy was walking in the morning, sunny morning and he sees this dish shake kraft fly about jet speed. It stops and hover. He shoots a photo of it. It zips away and goes into the water, near Catalina Island.
I've had... I've analyzed that photo. I've had people do forensic animation of it, forensic study in the local area, That is a very compelling case. A lot of Ufo have been seeing that area going into the water, coming out of the water in Catalina Island. That's a very interesting case. Another point fast forward 9 years, January 2016, N, Utah. The head of the mutual Ufo network in in Utah contacted me because I have some expertise and background and analysis of, weather and aviation radar.
Well, a, a local person, ham radio operator, who actually has his own Ufo show. Had a scanner on 1 night. And he hears this airline pilot talking the Faa about a Ufo site. Asking if they had it on radar. He's flying at 31000 feet near n utah. Sees huge light on the ground. Ps, do you have it in radar? Response, no we do not. And so we, myself, the, Erica Luke, who's the Fund director and Pat Daniels, who is the the ham radio operator that got the data. We
kinda looked into this. We found some air traffic control voice tapes online. Got a portion of the actual broadcast. We didn't even know the airline we find a determine it was American airlines that had taken off from San Francisco was flying in route to Philadelphia. This happened about midnight. So right we obtained more of the voice tapes, some of which had been redacted. I have always almost direct proof of that. But we found iphone in an isolated area all kinds of radar
returns. Right Well this pilot the saw sergeant. And those radar returns at they they were there for a good half hour, and what every rotation, the rate would be 1 to 3 returns. They're right in the valley by Ne, Utah right where this site object was cited. So that's 1 of the more forensic compelling settings. I've ever got where Another case, and I can't remember this was in the Carolina as I'd have to look on my site. Actually, your your viewers if they wanna,
I'll kinda get sidetracked here a minute. If they wanna find my best site and just go go to my my site my my web site. I'm actually gonna look here. Yeah. I'll put I'll put links to all that stuff on my hey human podcast.
And then go go go to on my top menu, and you can see, top cases and and click on that in the cases that I filtered that are the most compelling will show up, I'll specifically mention another case, and and this was in 1 of the Carolina I can't remember the North Carolina South Carolina. I'd have to I'd have to actually look in detail to to find it, but this particular case woman had taken a friend home. And she was driving back was only about a 10 or 15 mile trip.
And I believe it was probably around midnight maybe a little bit later. All of a sudden, she... Her car stopped. And starts shaking just like someone is shaking her car. And she sees this weird light outside her wind. Next thing she remember she comes to, Luca car starts on this road, and her she 3 hours are going. She guy drives home and she's just petrified and her friend... She didn't go him. She drives to her friend's house. And her frances says, where were you? I
was calling in on his cell phone. Her cell phone was right on the seat. 3 calls went to voice mail during this time period. They call the police and the police kinda laughed it off as a meteor sighting. And so case and point, what wasn't? I mean, she she was petrified. I interviewed her, by actual voice tape or her interview, is on my site. And so that that particular case stands out. What do you think is the deal with the lost time? That people experience.
I really think there's 2 reasons for that me it could have been a potential abduction, or I I think actually, there's a time and space warp around these Ufo I think that too. I feel like in order for them to to for some of them at least. And this is my own theory in my own brain. I'm am obviously not a physicist, but that you would have to bend a time in order for your to do what they do in order to travel where they're traveling to and from, 1 would imagine they've mastered the art of.
Spending time and tearing through some space. I mean, Einstein theorized it. Right? That it is a possibility. You just didn't know how to it. Right. I had another case also of a, a different type of time dilation, but this was actually not too far from Roswell, volume, near the vaughan new Mexico area which is I don't whether you ever been in new Mexico, but if you drive from Albuquerque, a couple times I went down there. I flew to Albuquerque and rented a car door the Roswell.
You drive through a ton called Vaughan. Well, this guy was a a truck driver And he was, truck and used cars or but to use cars bought by use car loss of AAA rental car auction, hurts rental car auction in Denver. And a lot of truck drivers driving in the middle of the night for traffic and and also it's a lot cooler in our it's brutally hot in the southwest. And I believe he had dropped free cars off somewhere and he he was on his way to el Paso, Texas.
And he he pulled off the side of the road to check his load. And he... All of a sudden, he kinda fuses his hair stand on end, like there's electricity in the air He had a long flashlight. His flashlight went off. His truck turned off widely. He looks up and there's there's huge. Triangular shaped hobby, coming from the south right over the top of a b out the stars Pain and what to do? Is trucks stalled, flashlight night's dead.
So he said what he usually does is he gets in the back of the car, his truck and backs off 1 of the cars in Go gives hell. He goes back there car wouldn't start. All of a sudden, the Ufo starts retreating fly reverse. His his truck starts, his flashlight comes on. He gets the heck on next morning in El Paso, they're unloading some cars, and he makes a discovery for the clock in his truck had lost time. The clock in the car... How does he know it? He wind up clock and his sleeper.
He looked at that clock. 13 minutes were lost. All clocks including the clocks in his cars that he backed out lost 13 minutes. Interesting. So No, another case in point. Yeah. I. You know what It's funny to say, the argument, of course is that... Well, if there was alien life, they were visiting us, of course, we would be told, but key imagine the pan pneumonia, religion would be set on its ear. If we're supposed to be the only people made in God's image, you know?
And suddenly there are other beings out there that would that would mess up some pretty intense religions, doctrines. Right? And you you you mentioned that point, and at that very same concept was reduced by the Rand Corporation in a Nasa funded study in 19 60, and a they wanted a group of extra soc economist, religion you know, ministers, Clergy people
to comment on this and even scientists. And they said that if terrestrial life was here and that the public knew it, it would cause pan in the financial markets in religious circles. Yeah. People wouldn't not to handle it. I feel right. And Yeah. I do believe that today that
that might change somewhat? Sure. It's getting... I I have a joke with my friends also that the media tries to lessen the blow of things, you know, They have movies about ghosts and demons and then aliens and contact and you know, they're slowly getting people's awareness an openness through the media because people aren't quite easily manipulated by media, course. Right. So it was bring up the fact that that that particular case that I just mentioned was in great Court, South Carolina
bottled up on my website. Great court so. Oh, Great Court, South Carolina. So... So are drive your if any of your viewers or listeners are interested in that case, I I have an actual tape of the witness The girl? Interviews. Yeah. On that stuff. Great. They'll definitely have link. I'll link to all that stuff. Yeah. Happened on seventh 2015. So I remember reading something somewhere in the back of my brain pan. I remember that there was was an asked, some astronaut saw something
and had reported and that actually had... Was video, and then the video got static out by Nasa. Do you know about this? Well there's been several instances of of astronauts, you know, talking about Ufo sighting and as, of course, every all the videos and photos and everything that all that information, and gather from the space station of the shuttle or or even missions to the moon, you know, that they they don't, they're not gonna have a camera with them and just come home and show their camera
to their family. I mean, that goes through Nasa. And and actually, you know, I a lot of that Nasa information and this gentleman and depends on who you talked to Nasa distance survey gentlemen. Gary Mc mclean, this English guy. He he he actually hacked in the defense department in Nasa websites. And they wanted to lock him up
and throw away the key. I think his mother finally got him shield from that, and they wouldn't him because she said that he had metal problems well, why why did they wanna come after did hack in the government systems, and he found Ufo information. I mean, even at the point that they nasa was cooperating with non terrestrial species on this. And he found that in his... When he hacked in and Nasa website and also win the defense department website. So... Yeah.
You know, you they're well, down do know about it. Well, you know, you get a few things like that, and you gotta believe that they probably do. Well, there's a lot of information that they don't release the public. I have a friend who an an Nasa affiliate physicist, and he...
Do you remember when they released information about the super Earth, And they said, oh, we've discovered that there's, you know, these 2II can't remember where they said 2 or 5 super earth's, you know, a hundred thousand light year away. Yada yada likely to have inhabitants very much like our own. And if not, that we would be able to live there the atmosphere is correct and all that. Well, he had called me before that article came out before the news media received the information. Season,
you're never gonna guess. So what we've figured, you know, we've seen and we figured out, but they're not gonna tell the public about it. They're only gonna tell them about a couple of them, but we found at least 20, but they can't say that out loud because you know I was like, you shouldn't be talking on unsecured phone line, Buddy. But I will keep that to heart. And no. I'm laughing it, but I don't care. What, you know?
You mentioned Nasa and what will be the official disclosure when it happens. In my, canyon, it'll likely be astronomers that discover extra trust your life and it can't be denied That's kind is submission. Though, do you think that that's under the assumption that they're... That it's an inflammatory thing. Not an interdimensional thing. And then well this be. I mean, not they're not gonna see anything interdimensional, but the... I mean, I I don't have any doubt that there's intelligent life.
I mean, in our galaxy. I mean, III believe it. I mean, we might even find life in our solar system, maybe not intelligent life. But Nasa actually is look... At this star system 1500 light years away. And they believe they found something like a dyson sphere because they... There's artificial what they think is artificial infrared light, emitting from the star system, and it's too close to the star to be a planet, and they think it's an artificial what they call it dyson sphere.
And and dyson sphere is an artificial environment. They can't prove it, but it'll be that type of thing where they can verify, in call preferably that there's a non terrestrial intelligent life forms all outside our solar system. Well, as soon as we find intelligent life forms on this planet, we him handle elf. I know. The wonder how intelligent we are know. Exactly. We're a hostile species. We killing show. We are a very hostile say me, if I was an extraterrestrial and I
came to this planet. I think I'd take a step back or 2 because I would wanna end up on a gu somewhere, and we are Very violent species. Very young, very young, very violent very? Right. Primal. Well, you know, I... I... You mentioned that a violent species and I... You mentioned tough cases. Well I had another case, this was in Missouri, right along the Mississippi River between Missouri and Illinois. And this guy calls me 1 night.
And and he he's in a remote area, and he said, yeah, these green lights, they're over in the Mississippi River And some of his friends in Illinois were seeing them. They called the sheriff under sheriff, across the river, and they were looking at these things. These lights were hovered. Both the Mississippi River. Finally the sheriff says, we don't know what these things are. We can't explain and we're leaving. So these guys get out their shotgun on their rifles.
They start shooting at this thing from... For... And they got on boats. And All of a sudden, their bolt shut down. This thing gets big, their boat shut down and then it vanish finishes. And he calls me back, and he's pushing his bull on an Island, I could hear the water s as he's talking to me on his cell phone. So they shot out. It let them know you ain't gonna hurt us. We'll fix you. We shut their boats down. 1 just won both that were 4 or 5. So case some point,
would you wanna interact so... It's like a lion in the zoo or something where, you know, it's a smart enough creature, but... Right. At the end of the day. Have you... I read W Streamers book comm. I I read that. Yeah. Scared the genie out of me I thought, my gosh. If there are... I mean, that's that's a whole another ball wax. That's starting to get now, of course, into actual alien abduction and and contact and all that. And ends not not sort of pass the realm of Ufo, but it is a fascinating
read and a fascinating subject. For sure. Do you feel like you've had any kind of experience outside of? I've never... No. I never have. I... I talked to people. A matter of fact, 1 of my good ufo friends in the west coast and it spur are sort of tuned into this higher dimensional or whatever. You know, I'm not. I've had a couple of normal experience unrelated Ufo. Yeah. But not not directly related to Ufo.
Yeah. 1 of my friends were had deceased showed up on my bedside about a week later, and I well, maybe I was hall with 6 other people saw her also. So you got feel like, well, maybe she... She came for a visit. She just said goodbye. Yeah. She was black dress, and Quite seen her... She... She a week or 2 before that. Yeah. Lost Not stuff you. I believe in lots of stuff. Yeah. Yeah But I've never had any
Ufo encounter or your time or... I've never had to missing time, but I've definitely seen things that I could not explain, which is technically what an unidentified flying object is. Of course, is it's identifiable, hard to in un determine. 1 of my best friends, his father, who's from Alaska when his... And but I think this might have had and in Washington state, and I can't remember. I think it
was Washington. They were camping. His father and his father's friend and they were driving and the car stopped and they lost time. And he won't really talk about it. He just gets very upset if you even bring up the subject. So I don't know if he has some slight recollection or what, but people they. I mean, I know that psychiatrists... I've read articles about, you know, people say, oh, it's mass hysteria and, you know, the mine is so easily
influenced. I do believe that is true for sure, the mind is very easily influenced. However, I think if you take somebody who is here, and then you take somebody who is way over there and Somebody is way over there in that country and wherever over there in that country and all having the same experience without any way of connecting the dots. Then you start to question That it seems like something is happening.
Absolutely. Yeah. You know, these these cases of abduction, of course are are very very difficult to to investigate because you you just... You don't have any environmental data. Fund was allegedly gonna do a study where they had planted cameras and radiation detectors and magnet manufacturers and all this, but I never did see any results of that study. You mentioned allowed Alaska, And also, what I'd like to say to your listeners is that the best Ufo sighting are in very remote areas.
Perhaps that was in Washington state. I don't know. But the the best cases that I've ever looked at will happen right in the middle of nowhere. Forest service worker, southwest of Olympia Washington how just had coronary bypass surgery 1 morning. He's out, taking a little stroll logging road, and this flying disc is hovering about a hundred feet ahead of it. It it pulls straight up in the air or something drops out of it. Bang down trees and everything.
I investigated this case several years after I actually looked at the actual area where the site was and interviewed him and that was a case. Another case, this happened north of Dallas Fort worth on a farm and this gentleman was I think his daughter was 8 or 9 years old, they're driving a tractor on his father law's farm. And the little girl turned the tractor and she also screams and look up. Big dish shaped craft comes out of this... The this goalie straight up. And
so you get cases like that. Yeah. There is remote area. Yeah. I am curious about the concept of the good and the bad and the you know, as far as who's who's who we're dealing with. Great. And the other joke I make, of course is that the only way to unify the the planet that is to have a full 1, you know, that movie independence day where aliens that actually had to attack the only way we're all get along. And then about an hour later, we'll forget
and hate each other again. But, you know, for that 1 little tiny frame. You know we could rise up against the the evil aliens. I don't know. Well, you know, there's a lot of speculation about that if there was an actual full fledged alien invasion. What could we do? Yeah. I mean, they they could blast us out of the sky. Absolutely. Why why would they do it. I mean, what? Resources, but that we're game, You know, Perhaps being a interstellar threat eventually, you know. But right now, we're
we're sort of contained here. I mean, with our with all our nuclear toys and everything. Yeah. And kind of it fred are we... We might wipe ourselves out, but I don't know that and and like, I mean, if I were an alien being, and Earth was my watch under my watch, I would just make sure that they didn't have the capacity to leave the planet very far because we can't be trusted. We're too young. Right. You know? Well, I'm way too. Early they they...
Even if they aren't here, I do believe they are that they know all about us by now. I mean, and they're shaking their heads. Right. You know another argument about intelligent life is how long does life last before, you know, either environmental pollution or war
or other things ex it. I mean, right now, I mean, we're getting at the end of the hour, but, you know, I'm a I'm a meteor neurologist and, of course, climate change is 1 of the biggest threats to the civil utilization, and we're we're in we're in a real danger right now of ex in life of climate change. I agree. And, that's only an example. But, you know, when we find extra trust life. I mean, it's not question if it's when, and this is officially.
They're gonna find that they're gonna be look in for artificial heat source infrared, that thus in any any intelligent life out there will find us that way too. So... Yeah. Yeah know. Let's hope bit sooner rather later. I... I'd love to... I I'd... That's my... Every time I go on a first date that's my first and if aliens landed and said, we're gonna take you on this trip. You don't get to come back all the if when you do come back, everyone be dead, so might well just like, go, that idea,
would you go? And for me, I would say, sign me up I'm gone. How fascinating? What a wonderful experience that would be? Could they guarantee my safety? Who knows? Doesn't matter what an experience? So I would ask that question on the first day. Would you go? Was your not go? I think it's was a lot about. Well, I would concur about that. I I think I would sign up to take the tour or do. Yeah. Of course. You know, How how can you know? I
was raised on Star trek. I would, you know, I'd would have to go. It thank you so much, William for being on the show. I really appreciate it. I'm gonna put links to all this stuff that we talked about so, on my website so they can find you and on the information and Okay. Now Blue, please send me direct to your website and everything, and I'll take a look. I will absolutely. You. I heard your I urge your listeners to to visit my side and if they...
She sent the compelling if they have a photo or video, please send it to me. Absolutely. And I will do the same if I see something again. It's always said things where you're you're out and you think, oh my god. First my camera wears something, and And anymore, I feel like the the alien life are... That they're going to have They're gonna have issues of people pulling out their cell phones. Now it's so easy to get footage of things. Yeah. You can take
a high definition video with an iphone. So... Yeah. Except if you're engines are getting shut off, Maybe they'll they'll jam. That's true Yeah. Yeah. So... That's that's eliminate. You know, not not regarding technical difficulties. Yeah. The truth is out there. Thank you so very much. Thank you for having me. Yeah I look forward to business Yeah. Have wonderful. Yeah. You too. Okay. Bye Bye.