Hey, humans. How's it going? Susan Ruth here. Thanks for listening to another episode of Hey, Human podcast. This is episode 447, and my guest is Lisa Campion. Lisa uses a combination of intuition, energy healing Reiki, and therapeutic techniques as a psychic counselor.
Born with the ability to see and hear what others couldn't, she spent the first part of her life trying to hide it from the outside world until a chance encounter with a guiding light and a few scary movies changed how she saw herself and her place in the world. She's also the author of several books, and by a weird coincidence, I recognized her name when her PR people reached out to me, and I thought, why do I know this person's name? And I have one of her books. What
are the chances of that? Pretty interesting. Anyway, lovely conversation. Really enjoyed talking with Lisa. Check out heyhumanpodcast.com for links and to learn more about my guests and the show. Hey Human podcast is on YouTube under official Susan Ruth. I'm on Patreon at susan ruthism. My TikTok and Instagram is susan ruthism. You can check out susanruth.com to learn about me and my other artistic endeavors. Find my albums on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon
Music, wherever you get your music. Rate, review, and subscribe to Hey Human Podcast on Apple, iHeart, and Spotify Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And thank you for listening. Be well. Be kind. Be loved, and here we go. Lisa Campion, welcome to Hey Human. Thanks, Susan. Thank you so much for having me on your podcast. Absolutely. It's a pleasure. Tell me where you grew up. You're in Rhode Island now. Correct? Yeah. I'm in Rhode Island now, but I grew up just outside
of Boston. Born in the sixties to very hippie parents. And it was really good that I had super hippie parents because I was born very psychic. So I was one of those, like, I'd see dead people kids, and grew up in a really, really haunted house and really, you know, different world back then. There were, you know, it was really hard to be a psychic child. I had to hide what I was experiencing. I was seeing spirits. I was seeing colors around people.
I would just sort of know things. And my parents were like, oh, Lisa, you have such a good imagination. You know? I mean, they didn't drag me to the church and throw holy water on me, which I'm really grateful for that. But, you know, I was like, what's happening? Why can't it nobody else is experiencing this, and what what's it all mean? What am I
supposed to do with it? So I spent the first twenty years of my life trying to figure out how to turn it off and also pretend to be normal in public, which I I have been scared at sometimes, but not always. You know? So that's kind of my my my strange story. I imagine I mean, East Coast, that is that's a lot of death. Yeah. For sure. I mean, Boston's an old city, and, you know, the house I lived in was like a 50 years old. And they're just seeing a lot of life and a lot of death.
Mhmm. Were there any spirit or ghosts or and whatever you wanna call it that were particularly in tranced by a child who could see them? Were there did you have any favorites? Did you have any that were no bueno? There are some of both. So when I was really little, I called them the gray people. And they would I just wake up in the middle of the night and there'd be, like, they'd be these gray people around me. And I knew they were sad
or they were curious. And I knew that if I talk to them, they would, if I listen to them really, they would feel better. So I was like I was like five years old and doing, like, ghost therapy in my bedroom, you know? My favorite was a one called Charlie, and he just told me his name was
Charlie. He was there the whole time. My other favorite was actually and this is sort of a a funny part of the story, a poignant part of the story, is that the reason that I was psychic in the first place is that I had a twin brother who died in utero. And you know how, like, twinsies are connected, like, psychically? Like, so he died. It's actually my very first memory ever is his passing, which I think happened probably around fourteen weeks
gestation. And it's weird to think you can remember something that happened when you were just a tiny little bundle of cells, but I swear that I do. And, and that, you know, he went over to the other side, and my psychic connection carried with him. So it put me in a very strange position of of understanding and experiencing death before I even knew life. That's, I think, why I was born psychic. I know that's why I was born psychic. And so my very favorite imaginary friend was my brother,
four, like, four years old or something. And my mom, she was like, who are you talking to, honey? I was talking to him. And I was like, oh, mom. I'm talk I'm talking to my dead brother, William. I remember, like, she was holding this glass and she dropped the glass and the glass scatter shattered everywhere. She, like, ran screaming out of the room. Like, you know? And my dad my dad's name was Bill. Every everyone called him Bill, but
his name was William. And I know if my parents had had a son, they would have called him William. I didn't know that when I was four. I know that, you know, now. So I think that's that was sort of my favorite was Charlie the ghost and my brother William, who was my imaginary friend for my whole childhood. I often wonder about the kids who speak of imaginary friends if, in fact, they're seeing ghosts or imprints. Ghosts, imprints, spirit guides, angels.
You know, I think we all have a spirit team around us, and that everyone has a unique team, and children are very, like you said, is very attractive to spirits. Like, psychic all children are psychic, some more than others. Just kind of are still close to the other realm. We still remember what
it's like when we were over there. And if you're a psychic child, you just sort of, like, light up, like, the astral plane, like a little light bulb and curious spirits will come in and try to get messages or just like, oh, look at that beautiful little light over there. Look at Susan glowing like a little light bulb over there. And they come around and, with curiosity. So I think part of the reason my house was so haunted was because I was a ghost magnet like many psychic
children are. Do you think that ghosts are memories of things? Do you think this they're people that are stuck? What is your opinion of that? It's it's really like on an individual basis. So there's definitely times when it's stuck energy that's called residual energy. And it happens when intense things happen. Usually bad things happen in an environment and that psychic energy, that physical energy of death sort of stays inside the environment. And we experienced that as a residual haunting.
So there's no actual spirit there, just the memory of the event. Right? And the feelings of the event. And then sometimes there are actually spirits who like the souls of humans who don't make it across. And sometimes if they die suddenly, they die violent deaths or sort of die outside their own timeline. Like, I I feel like we have sort of a time when we're supposed to die. And if you die but, you know, it's a crazy world and stuff happens down here
randomly. And when we die outside of our time, it we can get stuck. If we have a lot of unresolved issues, if we have tons of unresolved trauma, we remain and that's really more of a ghost, like what we think of as a traditional ghost. And, you know, I think you have to kinda take it on a case by case basis because it can be it can be all different, you know, hauntings can be all different kinds of things. Did you find a mentor then that could help you in this gift?
I had a few really amazing experiences, like, God bless my hippie parents, who took me when I was 10 years old to transcendental meditation. If they wanted to learn it, they were hippies. And and I met Maharishi Yogi, which I had no idea who he was, but that's incredible. Right? So my parents Wow. I know. My parents went to the temple, and they brought me there. And Maharishi, I had no idea who he was. He was speaking to us through a translator, and he had to give this long speech.
And, then he brought everybody back to the back this back room, and he did like a like initiation, like Shaktipat, you know, Darshan, and and would give you a mantra to do. And then he was talking to me through the translator, and he was kinda like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then he really looked at me, and he was like, oh, honey. I'm so sorry. You really have a gift, and, you know, your child was just kinda kinda
suck. If you had been born in my country, we would know what to do with you. But because America is basically spiritually bankrupt, you're just out of luck. But you gotta hang in there because you're gonna help a lot of people when you get older. And I was like, oh my god. Like, some adult, like, sets noticed and said something to me as the first one. I remembered it forever. And then when I went to college and studied comparative religion, I figured out who he was. I was like,
holy moly. That was Maharishi Yogi, the founder of transcendental meditation, who actually said that to me. Totally nuts. And but it wasn't until the nineteen eighties, I was in college. It was the dawn of the new age that I I you know, there were books, there were, you know, workshops. And that's where I found a real couple of really amazing teachers, a shaman. I studied shamanism when I was young and and a channeler. You know, it really taught me
how to do the channeling thing. And also my hippie parents took me to when I was in high school to this thing called back when it was called the Silva Mind Control. Now it's called the Silva method and it's, fantastic training for psychics. So, they teach you how to meditate. They talk about spirit guides. They talked about how to shift your brain wave into alpha state so that you can get psychic messages and intuition on demand, which is something that I do every use every day when I do
session work. So I feel like even though there were some really serious challenges that I went through, I was also blessed with these like white extraordinary, you know, gifts of learning and mentors and teachers right really when I needed it. Does your brother still talk with you? Yeah. Yeah. He does. He's one of my one of my best and favorite spirit guides. And, I'm super grateful to have him around. Never feel lonely when you have that kind of connection with your spirit team.
Did you decide at a young age then as you're going through these courses to devote your life to this, or did that come later? No. It came right away. And I started working as a professional psychic when I was 19, and I really have never done anything else. It's been except write books and stuff and be a mom. But that, that was it. And it really happened when I was probably like 12 or 13, and I went to see the movies, and I I went to see the movie Poltergeist in
the movie theater that came out. And there's this, scene, you know, where there's a psychic, a professional psychic. And I was like, looking at the screen, like, oh my God, you can do that. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do and I just knew in that moment, that's what I was gonna do. And and then she said this thing about, like, you know, what happens when you die and why some people get stuck, why their her house was haunted, built on the, you know, in, Native American burial ground. And I was
like, oh my God, somebody knows something. Like she gave an explanation about what, what, what was going on. And it started sort of this lifelong love affair I have with paranormal TV, ghost stories, movies. Started seeing, I couldn't find any information. So I just started watching every ghost movie ever made. So I could glean like little facts from it and try to figure out what's going
on. And, you know, because it's Hollywood, like, maybe 25% of it was accurate, and the rest of it was, you know, Hollywood, you know, entertainment stuff. So I got kind of a wonky, as a child, a wonky paranormal education, but over time it, you know, I figured it out. Poltergeist is such an interesting film because there were the deaths around it. Yes. So wild. Did you experience other people in your family with this gift? Because I believe this sort of thing is genetic a lot of times.
Did you find out later that you're in a line of others? Absolutely. And definitely in the women in my family. I think all the women in my family are very canny as my Irish grand grandmother called it. You know, tuned into they're like super intuitive. They're all healers, therapists, and, you know, drawn to the healing arts for sure.
Mine gift was a little more extreme partly be you know, because of what happened with my brother, but I also feel like that happened on purpose to kind of give me the the life purpose that I was meant to have. And I just I was like, probably six years old, I I used to make little books. What, you know, like, free books out of paper. And I remember writing in one saying, when I grew up, I was gonna be a psychic and an author. A psychic and a writer, and that's what
I did. So I just feel like I was one of those people that came in really aware of what I was meant to do. Never had a minute of doubt about it, and I've really always done it. When your press people contacted me, I I thought, why do I know this name? Why do I know this name? Your books are quite popular. Yeah. They are. And, my first book, The Art of Psychic Reiki, is really popular. That one came out in 02/2018, and it it sold a lot. A lot of people have read it. It makes me
really, really happy. I'm working on a new one now. I keep writing them. I sort of have a love hate relationship with writing, but I always say, I I guess I must love it more than I hate it because I keep doing it. Mhmm. Because I feel this drive to kind of impact more people, help more people, and so many people are undergoing psychic awakenings, psychic openings right now. It has to do, I think, with the
shift in human consciousness that we're in. I think it has to do with just the general evolution of humanity. Every generation is more psychic than the one before. And then we do things like we do Reiki, we do yoga, we do meditation. We maybe we do some plant medicine, and we lick the tree frog or do some Ayahuasca and all of a sudden our mind, our mind expands. And even all the turmoil that we're in in the world right now opens people psychically.
You have like a near death ex experience like I did, whether it's yourself or somebody close to you passes away. Those things open us. And I see so many people. It's sort of one of my specialties actually is working with people that are undergoing psychic sudden psychic openings. They're psychic they wake up one day and they're like, I'm like seeing things and there's
a ghost in my room. And I just, it's overwhelming and frightening to people who exude don't expect it or don't know what it is or don't believe believe it's possible. You know, that that's not really a thing. And I know how hard it was for me to go through that alone. And I feel really passionately about helping other people who are undergoing that to go through a no more graceful way than I did. You know, I can help people do that. That's a really good day for me. Is your mom still with us?
She is. Yeah. She's 85, and she has Alzheimer's. So she lives in a care home. Mhmm. But she is still around. Yeah. Did she as she watched you come into your gifts, did she then acknowledge her own? I think so. I feel I feel like dad was even more, into that, like, really into channeling, and he took classes, and then both my parents were meditators. My dad loved channeling, and he would do it. And sometimes my mom would too. I feel like somehow my parents' my journey sparked theirs
in a really beautiful way. So I really always felt so supported by my family. I was so lucky. What do you make of the tumult that is in the world right now, especially United States? I feel like we're in a deconstruction cycle. And as painful and scary as it is, it's a natural part of the evolutionary process of life. Things grow, things are born, things grow, things die. You know, countries are born, countries grow, countries fall apart.
And I think we're just in a cycle where and I think it's a global cycle where the old, old, or, you know, we're in this massive, if you know anything about astrology, this massive like shift in the planets and kind of coming out of the age of Pisces into the age of Aquarius and all the old structures that we built don't work in it. Like everything's broken, You know? The government's broken. Money's broken. Health care's broken. People are broken. Our people are
everything's our society is broken. And I think I'm sorry to say sort of irretrievably broken. And that this is like this deconstruction is like the forest fire. You know, that comes through and like burns the forest down and things grow, that's a natural part of what happens to all life. And my hope is that we can, rebuild when it's time to do the rebuilding, which we already are starting, that we can rebuild at a higher level of beauty, harmony, and order because that's also part of the
evolutionary cycle. I think too, it's a time when people realize that they have taken much for granted of the beauty and the hope and the love and the this and the that and the support. And, you know, we become numb to the world at large, and this is certainly a way to shake us awake, earthquake style. Yes. Forest fire style, earthquake style, and and no nobody likes it. It's super uncomfortable. We don't like change. We don't like to let go of it. It's a w. You
know? You know? And, and I think all us healer types that are here on the planet now are here to assist people, other people through the difficulty and fear of that change. And, you know, of course, there's terrible things happening to people with war and weather and fire fires, you know, literal forest fires. We don't like that. We don't you know, nobody wants to see anybody suffer, you know, through that. And I think the healers are here to help.
And I know like, my kids are young adults, and I really believe that they're part of the re reconstruction team. You know, that they're gonna build I have a lot of hope for humanity when I look at young people. It makes me feel hopeful that they'll make better decisions about stewarding ourselves and caretaking the world. And, I mean, I really think we we have the technology. We have the resources to solve every problem.
Nobody needs to be hungry. There's enough food, water, shelter, money for everyone on the planet. And if we if we would choose to do that, I don't know why we don't choose to do that, but we don't. And Ego. The leaders feeling like their their power is never enough and that money is never enough. I think as long as that takes precedent over humanity, we we won't get there, and that's unfortunate.
Yeah. And and I still feel like I'm still hopeful that, you know, the younger generations will redistribute the power. And, I mean, it just if you look at history when too much money and resources gets in the hands of too few people, there's always revolution. Yeah. Viva la France. Yeah. Hopefully, what happens hopefully, it's peaceful and calm, but I don't know. Yeah. I don't know either. It's it we as they say, we live in interesting times, and on one hand,
I can get pretty frothy about it. But then there's also this weird sense of calm that I have, and that is inexplicable because there's no reason I should be calm. And yet, I have this grounded feeling about it. And And whenever anybody call I get a lot of calls, a lot of texts and things from people, and they're upset and freaking out. And I all I always say the same thing. I said, stand up. Fight for what you believe in. And that's the only I know what to say. You
know, fight for what you believe in. Whatever's in your heart, fight for that. And yet, at the same time, I'm like, it's gonna be okay. It's everything is burning down, but it's gonna be okay. And it's such a weird thing going on in my brain about it. But it's not even my brain. It's like a it's a knowing. You know what? I think, like, for me, like, I experienced that as what they call faith. Not in a religious way, because I'm not particularly religious.
But more faith is for me the feeling of, or trust or belief that there's a pattern going on, a purpose that's way bigger than I'll ever be able to figure out. But I have the faith comes in that I trust that the universe is unfolding as it should. You know? And even though it's painful, it's not wrong that that we're in this breakdown cycle. And so for me, the faith is it's gonna be alright. Like, I'm in the same place you are. Somehow, I I really
believe in humanity. I really believe in the resilience and of humans in the in the basic goodness of people. You know, not everybody and there are definitely some bad bad seeds in the world and people have, you know, have hard circumstances. They, you know, they have to do hard things. But I still believe in the the basic goodness of humanity, and and that I think as humans, we come together the best when we're really that, you know,
have our backs to the wall. I live in New England, and where I've always lived here, we're kind of an ordinary bunch. Like, we're kind of you know, especially compared to sunny California where everybody smiles at you. In New England, we're a bit more surly. But if if stuff goes down, we there there's this feeling of, like, everybody has like, god help anybody who ever tried to invade New England, that would not go well for them. Oh, I don't think it would go well for in California either.
I To be honest? Like we have this sort of like, we're we're in this together, we have each other's backs. And I just feel like humanity is like that. Mhmm. Things get in the way of that, but really that's what's in our hearts. Coming together to help other people. And that gives me a lot of that faith in humanity. That's what I have, faith in humanity. And faith in the bigger pattern that I don't understand. I mean, I love humans, but also I'm sick of our shit. Yeah. I'm both. I'm
both those things. I mean, that's the duality of living, I suppose. Tell me about the Quantum Mystic Mystery School. Yeah. So I I teach this is the first year I ran this mystery I did teach in a mystery school for fifteen years. Well, that was more about teaching training people to do healings. And then I started a mystery school with my friend, Jane Bear. And it's really about it's a consciousness,
program. So it's really there to help people raise their consciousness and become more aware, more awake. We use the chakra system as a lens to look at ourselves through, and really see, like, look at our wounding, do a a lot more healing, raise our vibration, raise our frequency, and old tiny psych psychic teachers call that clearing the channel. You know, like you have to get all your stuff out of the way, so you can see clearly, and see the world better. And that's really what we do.
It's pretty cool. We we also bring in a lot of sort of fifth dimensional elements, quantum healing. I've been a Reiki practitioner for twenty six years now. I started learning learning and teaching Reiki in 1999. I've trained thousands of people in energy healing modalities during that since then. And I don't know, about five years ago, I started realizing when I was working with people, I wasn't doing Reiki. I was doing this other thing. And I'm like, what is that? It's and
it's quantum healing or dimensional healing. It has a lot of different names. But old school old school Reiki is sort of like vibrational healing. So it's using vibration whether you're talking about sound healing or Reiki or homeopathy or gems or crystals, all those things. And quantum healing is really working with light. So working with light frequencies, photonic light, and
the healing is much, much quicker. And I I think we called it the Quantum Mystic Mystery School to kind of tag into this idea of the acceleration of human consciousness that we're in. And I feel like as humans, we have, we have an opportunity to vastly quantum leap our evolution by studying consciousness. And, what is consciousness? How do we become more conscious? And doing all our school is a lot of, the foundation is spiritual practice. So we really, like, rest on meditation techniques.
We encourage our students to meditate every day. That really helps with waking up fully, you know, even more fully. Are you in the camp that believes everyone has this ability or the camp that believes not everyone has it? Definitely in the camp of believing everybody. My third book is called, it's called Awakening Your Psychic Abilities, and I really think that psychic is an ability like musical ability and athletic ability.
Everybody has some, and it's a matter of training and practice and how much time you're gonna some people have more than others, but everybody has some. And when you look at professional psychics, it's like looking at a professional athlete or a professional musician. We don't we know those people put their time in. They practice, they practice, they practice. That's what they do. And it's the same for psychic stuff and healers.
So if you're willing to do that, you're willing to do the work of practice, anyone can do it. Yeah. I'm in that camp as well. I believe that everybody has that gift. It's just like a muscle. You have to work it out. And it's what, oh, I have this intuition of this thing, or, oh, I thought of this person they called. That's all that's what that is. It's being that's holding hands with the universe, and that's what I call it. It's being in the flow. Yeah. Totally good. I love that. It's beautiful.
And and so we have that intuitive sense. It's like our inner knowing, you know, our inner knowing connecting with our higher self and what we know to be true that is often at odds with what our mind tells us. Mhmm. Like you meet somebody and your mind's like, you should like that person. Everyone else likes that person. And your intuition's like, no. No. No. Yeah. We can't trust that person. Like, and we all know what happens when we when we ignore intuition. Right?
And then psychic ability is slightly different, just the way I define it. So psychic ability is when we get information from outside of ourself. That means we're talking to angels, spirit guides, dead uncle Fred. You know, we're we're receiving, downloads or connections or course corrections from our spirit team. I also think anyone can do that if they're willing if they're willing to practice. Dead Uncle Fred and the Downloads is my new band name. That's a great band name.
Totally. Yeah. I'm definitely coming to see you if you play that. How do you and how do others how do you teach others to protect themselves when they are dipping their toes into these types of pawns? Super, super, super important, and one of my favorite topics. So when I was young, I studied martial arts, sort of because I mostly because I wanted to when I was little, I wanted to be a Jedi Knight. I wanted to be a ninja.
Ah, right? Of course you did. But mostly because I wanted to feel safe in the world. You know? I want I love to travel. I wanted to walk about the world and feel safe and not be afraid. So I studied martial arts. It really worked. And I teach psychic self defense the same way. It's kind of street smarts. You know? There's a whole list of things you should not do, like that, that were are gonna put you in the
line of fire. And for the and there's a list kind of, like, how do we navigate psychic worlds with common sense and street smarts? And for the most part, like 80% of the time, what we're defending ourselves against is just the energy of other people. And Lord knows that's hard. The more sensitive you are, the more we are impacted by other people. Sometimes it's the spaces that we occupy. So because I love to travel, you know, in the Murphy's Law, they put this psychic in
the haunted Airbnb every single time. Haunted hotel room, they're like, hey. We have this hotel room for you. And they were, do you mind if there was a triple homicide there last week? Of course, they give that room to me. That actually happened to me once. You know? So we need to as we get more and more sensitive, we become more sensitive to the environments that we are in. And then sometimes we encounter enter spirits that don't have our best interest
at heart. Like, what's in the haunted hotel room? You know? And we need to we just need a little spiritual kung fu for, how do we handle that? It's really all about boundaries, setting boundaries. And once you know how to do that, it works with people, it works with energy, it works with it works with spirits, it works with everything. Yeah. So I, this is a haunted hotel, a haunted hotel story.
It happened not too long ago where, oh my God, I was staying in this hotel and I had this total premonition that I was like, I was hearing a woman screaming and I like woke up out of bed in the middle of the night and I swear I heard this woman screaming. I was like all sweaty and shaky. And And I was, like, was there a woman in here? Is there, like, a dead woman in here? Am I hearing that? And
then I couldn't settle down again. And then maybe, like, half an hour later, there was, like, a domestic violence incident down the hall from me. And the same that same scream happened. And they had to call the police and all that kind of thing. It was like, it felt like I was getting a little forewarning of that happening. I think precognition is very common. It's a very common psychic experience. The most common precognition is death. We we can sort of feel like someone's gonna die.
Sometimes pregnancy too. And to me, it's kind of like if you imagine a spider web sitting at the a spider sitting at the center of a big spider web, these big events that sort of are coming, that kind of like create a disturbance in the force, if you will, tickle the outside edge of the spider web, and when we're in the center of it, we feel it. So I have a lot of precognitive, experiences that can be can be a little unsettling.
Do you have that when major events, like, say, the fires here in LA or the floods that happened, you know, in the in the South or, the things like the tsunami way back in the nineties, stuff like that. Do you get signals? Yes. I do. The biggest one I got was nine eleven. Nine eleven, you know, I mean, it was a big deal for everybody. But for me, living in Boston, it was a really big deal because those planes came from Boston, and everybody knew somebody on those planes. You know?
And and I would see, like, about six months before it happened, I would see that I would sit down to meditate, and I would get this, like, silhouette of a city, like a black cityscape with kind of like a red mushroom cloud around it. And I was like, is someone gonna drop a nuclear bomb on a city? Is I was like, I kinda knew it was gonna happen in September, but my birthday's in September and weird stuff always happens to me around my birthday. And I'm like, maybe
I'm gonna get divorced. It was I was I'm like, that bomb is gonna drop on my life. I thought it was very personal. I was like, oh, that's I'm like, what's gonna happen to me? And then when it actually happened, I was like, oh, now I understand. And I think a lot of times precognitive things, I always I always say I put them in sort of this imaginary file cabinet I have in my head called the x files.
I just, like, put them in there because a lot of times we don't we don't understand what the what we're seeing means until after it's happened. Mhmm. Yeah. Sometimes I've seen things that never happen. That I was like, oh, something bad's gonna happen and then it doesn't. Does that mean it almost did? Does that mean it was just someone some slightly alternative universe it did? Does it mean I I was just having a bad day? Like, precognition's tricky. So I tend not to
worry about it too much. I write it in my journal and then I don't think about it. Again, unless it happens and I'm like, oh, yeah. Now I get it. Now I get what that was. The Schumann resonance spiked the the night of that the night before that happened. It's so interesting to me all the stories from that time.
It's like little kids who are begging their parents not to go to work that day or people that just they missed their flights or missed their trains or cause they were just sort of dawdling and they didn't have any reason for dawdling. They just sort of were poking around and that they're normally meticulous in their time. Those sorts of stories are fascinating to me. And I know that the naysayers just chalk it all up to coincidence.
But I would argue that even those who hands down do not believe in this whatsoever have had moments of precognition or intuition in their life at some point, whether they call it that or not. Everybody has precogn like, everybody has those intuitive hits, and it can be like, I I know people, like, who didn't get on the plane in Boston, like, too. So, yeah, it's I think that event created such a large disturbance in the force
at so many people about that download. And but the you know, it doesn't have to be a big thing. Like, we have intuitive moments. You know, the first time you meet somebody is a massive intuitive intuition moment. And I think, like, sh hand handshaking, especially if you touch the person, we receive, like, incredible amounts of intuitive information on
on first meetings, you know? And that's why they say first impressions, like, because we're just so accurate at assessing people in what they say, like, nine seconds or some kind of ridiculously short amount of time. We formed an incredibly accurate perception of somebody that's straight up intuition. That's what that is. I think it's a combination of that and also we without even realizing it, our brain is cataloging microexpressions off the other person. I don't like shaking hands.
I'm not a big fan. Yeah. For the people that meet and feel like they've known each other their whole lifetimes. I personally believe in reincarnation. I don't know what you believe, but I believe in that. I think that soulmates, you know, like, our soulmates are there's never just one. It's kind of that movie version of soulmates, but we have like a soul family, a soul tribe of many people that we've incarnated with over and over
again. And when we meet them, we have that feeling of recognition of, like, instant trust, instant bond, like, you know, that's for real. And, you know, sometimes those are really beautiful, supportive relationships. Sometimes they're really challenging relationships that are here to teach us, but they're always impactful and change your life in some way. Yeah. What is your plan moving forward? How are you navigating the next few years?
It's so funny. It's a funny place because, like, on a sort of material level, I feel like sort of simplifying and going back to nature. I'm like, maybe I should get chickens. Maybe I should, you know, time to grow a garden. Go get the chickens right now. Wait till that bird flu is done. But yeah. Truth. Truth. Yeah. So, like, kind of this, you know, I'm like becoming like my parents, like back to the nature, hippie
type. And at the same time, I'm really, expanding my dedication to impacting people, you know, so writing more books, speaking at conferences, I'm speaking at a big conference in Colorado. Some of the a listers in my field and feel really joyful about I feel like there's like a group of people who are are working together kind of a soul group who are here to help help people who want to wake up. Help people who want to, you know, who need help, who need assistance with that.
So it's sort of a funny place to be where, you know, the world is falling apart, but my my personal life has never been better. My, you know, I mean, that always happens to me when the world gets tricky. My phone rings off the hook because people need help. Of course. And and, and I feel really here for that. Like, I that's what I'm here for is to help. And I feel joyful about it. So it's kind of a weird sort of cognitive dissonance
that I carry. Like, is it is it okay to be happy and joyful when when people are when the world's falling apart? I mean, I think it is, but it's weird. It's a weird place to be. And I'm also pretty sure that the only thing I I know, the only thing I can actually control is my own state of consciousness. And if I stay in a high vibe and I'm happy and kind of holding the light down on the planet, that might be contributing more than I think it is. Absolutely. Happiness has its own resonance. Yeah.
For sure. Tell people how they can find you. So you can find me at lisacampion.com if you wanna check out my classes. I teach Reiki online. I teach all levels of psychic development from beginner to intermediate to you wanna go pro and be a pro psychic. And I have a great YouTube channel with lots of free stuff. You can find me on all the socials. My books are on every play you know, Amazon, Barnes and Nobles. Any place you can buy books. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I have your books on my bookshelf,
but they're all packed right now. So I'm like, why do I know her name? Like, oh my god. I have one of her books. It's such an interesting world. Yeah. That's awesome. Thank you so much for being on the show and for talking about this. I'm always intrigued. It's you know, I was raised by somebody who's very science minded and was very much anti this kind of thing his whole life. And the older he gets, his his I think he's edging his bets.
But we've had these great deep conversations about, as you say, the quantum world and how it is reflexive inside of the, I don't even like to use the word psychic because I think it turns a lot of people off. I like intuition, energetic, you know, this sort of quantum time is fluid, all of that. I think people absorb it a little bit better. Psychic has historically had a, she's a witch burner, you know. Totally. And I can attest to the audience that Lisa does not have a carrot on
her nose right now. No. No carrot. No. No witch. I I mean, I can be pretty witchy, but, yeah, psychic can be a lot of triggering for a lot of people that have had religious upbringing or, you know, a a lot of scammers these days. It's like everyone's getting, you know, psychics who are trying to scam them. And on social media, it's kinda sad. So back when I first started, I never used that word. It was a big deal for me to publish a book with the word
psychic in the title. I felt like I was really coming out of the closet and and owning it. So Well, you bring up a good point. On TikTok, it seems like there are a bazillion, astrologers and psychics. How does one, for the listening audience, how does one steer clear? How do they recognize the real versus the not real? Especially if everybody has it. Right? We that we sort of that's that's the the push pull. We say everybody's got this gift,
but then not everybody has this gift. How does one assess? I think it's such a good question, and really doing some research, making sure making sure somebody has a website, like looking for reviews, do they have testimonials, getting word-of-mouth recommendation is, I think, the best the best bet
that you have. Sad now, you know, it happens to me like literally every day where somebody duplicates my accounts, my Facebook, Instagram accounts, and and then DMs everybody saying they're me, and offering readings for hardly any money. But if you send your money to that, you know, you're you're never gonna see it again. So, the scammers have taken over the psychic world like crazy. And then there are a lot of, like, people who are have really good intentions, but maybe not enough training.
And, you know, need to, get better trained, get trained in some ethics. So we, you know, nobody wants to hurt anybody, but they might if they don't have well enough if good enough training. So if you've got something like, well I had my first experience, psychic experience yesterday, but today I'm seeing clients, that's probably not cool. It's not like you can go to psychic university and get a degree, but, you know Actually, you can. There's one in England. It's called the Albert Finlay School.
Yeah. And actually, there are there there are quite a few that, that have good, especially medium shift, you know. But if you study with a reputable teacher, take a class on the shift network, you know, or somewhere where they screen their faculty and, you know, you're getting the good the good stuff. I teach there sometimes, which is really fun. So, you know, I think you just have your wits about you and make sure that you're dealing with somebody that has a good reputation.
Yeah. Because it can you can fall prey, certainly, because I think that there is a people who are seeking out that kind of advice, they tend to be of the more vulnerable. Not everyone, but I think there is a a swath of people who are certainly easily taken advantage of. Yes. And that's historically been true way
back in the day. We even when the spiritualist movement started, you know, and there were a lot of scammy Charlottan psychics who are taking taking advantage of people who are, you know, bereaved bereaved. And so I think we always have our wits about us like any other thing that we're doing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you, Lisa. Thank you for sharing your time and your talents. Thank you, Susan, for having me on your podcast. I love your podcast. Oh, thanks. Thank
you so much. This is so good. I just love your vibe and what you're doing in the world. It's beautiful. Oh, thank you. And thank you for listening, everybody. Bye. Rate, review, and subscribe to Hey Human Podcast on Apple, iHeart, YouTube, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks. Bye.