Hey, Humans. How's it going. Susan Ruth here. Thanks for to another episode of, hey, human podcast. This is episode 412, and my guest is Heather Bloomberg. Heather is an interior designer and renovate. She and her family moved into an abandoned hundred and 50 year old gothic style of funeral home in dresden in Ontario, and Its renovation is the subject of their discovery
plus show. We bought a funeral home. It showcases the incredible life that has been breathe into the house, but also it stirred up a bev of ghostly roommates in the process, not the show, but just they're being there in the renovation. The haunting are the subject of a new book by Richard A step called a grave undertaking, which comes out August 20 24 Heather is delightful. I was following Heather...
She has a tiktok, the Bloomberg, and she's been documenting a lot of the home renovations, and her design style, everything which is impeccable, so beautiful. And her family and all that, and it was on the Tiktok and Instagram, And then 1 day, my friend Nick posted about being at the house, and it turned out they're related. So so wild, and her husband and Nick. And so, Nick, my friend was on episode 3 86 if you wanna check that out, and Nick. He's an incredible drummer in place with
Kenny C also a great episode. I'm so keen tal. Fast I'm talking. So excited about this episode with Heather, such an interesting woman, super open. We talked about many of the happenings going on in the house. The book, of course, will go into much further detail. That's the 1 that's coming out in August. Of all the people and all the families that could have moved into this home,
they're the perfect family. I'm so glad that it's them, and listen carefully at 15 30 and at 25 14, noises that are neither the dog nor a door. I'm telling you what. I'm so excited for you to hear this episode. It's wild. And, yeah, right at my alley. I wanna go stay in this house immediately. That's a tail for another day. Alright. General stuff. I'm on Patreon at Susan Ruth and check out hey human podcast dot com for links and learn more about my guests in
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Susan Ruth. It helps keep a human ad free and cover the exorbitant amount of cost on a podcast by myself. And, yeah, thanks for listening. Be well. Be kind, love, be open because this is a wild ride. Here we go. Heather Bloomberg Welcome to hey human. Hi. Thank you very much for having me. I'm super excited to have you on the show. For lots of reasons, but we had to give it shout out to Nick, who connected us. I know. Nick is just the best human.
He's he's amazing. He's a good guy. He had a great episode on the show too. He's he's lovely. I've known him for a long time. Yeah. He's giving you a tough act to follow. I'm not gonna lie. You'll be fine. It'll be good. How I went to jump in with you just to give people a little bit of background on you where you were raised. And your... What led you on the trajectory of who you are and what you do, which then sets the stage for what we're gonna talk about. Sure. Absolutely.
So my background is totally bizarre. There are no street parts involved. Obviously, British grew up in Cambridge. Met South African and got married at sort of a tender age of about 23, subsequently had 2 children and In that time, we were working in a very corporate world for, 1 of the big fours consulting firms. And they posted us all over the world. So it was great. We got to experience actually pretty much every continent we got to live and work on.
And eventually, that led us to Canada, which is where we reside now. We've been here 13 years. And this is where it all sounds perfectly normal to begin with. This is where it starts to get weird. At this point, I'm a partner from a consulting firm. So little miss super corporate, and the pandemic hits. And a month before the pandemic hits, I decide now a really great time to quit my job and find myself something in the arts because corporate is not for me. It took me a long time to figure that
out. And so during the pandemic, during the lockdown, my husband and I saw a picture of a house online, with an article saying, you know, cash out of your city home and go live in a mansion in the country. And it was at that point, which will probably we get into more that we we ended up in a very small town in Canada called Dresden, living in a hundred and 50 year old funeral home. It looks like the Adams family mansion, and we had a random approach by a
production company. Who said, hey, we think he'd make a good Tv show fancy. And that's how I've ended up here today. They approached you just because you bought this hundred 50 year old home or because you in the... While you were living in this home, you started to hear things that go bump in the night. So the former, the house that we we saw was in a news article. That's how we saw it. And once we bought it, we we literally... We drove out not having any intention of moving out of Toronto.
Walked in the backdoor door. Were here 3 minutes, and we were, like, crap. We're buying this house aren't we. And it happened that quickly. And literally on the way home, drive home. We told the kids by the way, we're moving to small town, ancient told old funeral home and we're gonna bring it back to life. The news article did a follow ups saying, oh, we heard 1 of the houses features
sold. They named me and the production company tracked me down through Linkedin and said, you know, do you want to do at a Tv show. Can we talk to you? So we're like this is so bizarre. This doesn't happen in real life. Of course, we're gonna take this call. And we initially thought from the conversation that it was going to be, like, an episode of someone else's show. And it it turned into our own show. And at that point, I'll view what was we're buying a funeral home.
Everyone arrives dead, it's gonna be so peaceful. Let's gonna be so lovely, and we love very quickly that that's not the case. Is it still an active funeral home then we're at this point when you're... When you purchased it? No. It had closed a funeral home and, I think 20 15, and it sat on the market for 6 years, so we bought it in 20 21. So it being d decommissioned. And it was it was originally built by a a lumber baron, and it was built as a family home mansion.
And about 60 years after it was built. It was turned into a funeral home. So it operated as a funeral home for a hundred years. Did the Tv show want to know the red the reno aspect and the design aspect, and that's why they approached you or did they go in knowing that things were going on? No. At the time, it was purely runner.
It was just 1 of those sort of well this is a be weird 1 And, you know, if everyone's obsessed with home renovation shows, So it it seemed like a sort of good unique angle, and we filmed it just to release it for Ghost to. And that's when it came out. And my understanding is your family is halloween obsessed. We are. We all that family on the street that we go all out for for Halloween, and
maybe not entirely kid friendly. We had an escape from the asylum where the patients murdered the doctors when we were in Toronto that got equal parts complaints and had all the local people from the hospital, the doctors, paramedics, cops coming up and ask him to take pictures on the lawn with it. But yeah. It definitely caused to stir. Was it a hard sell to the kids? To say you're moving to this small town and you're buying a funeral home?
No. It really wasn't, and this is where people think car family is really odd, but we have literally opt and moved around the world on a whim, and our kids have always done it. We'd actually lived in Toronto far longer than anywhere that been in their life. So their viewers... Yeah okay. It's kind of about time and we've never done this before. Let's give it a go. What's dressed like? Tiny tiny agricultural town. There's about 2000 people that live here. Median age ages probably 70.
We're not fully integrated. I think it would be fair to say, we turned up this younger family dressed in black covered in tattoos, buying an old funeral home with a dog that's called Satan And I think the poor neighbors were like, what. And then the next thing they know they're invaded by this huge Tv crew, and, yeah. No. I think we made a splash. Let's talk renovation. How does 1 take on? How many square footage?
14000 square feet how does 1 take on that kind of undertaking you had no pun intended. You'd never done that before. Right? So we'd renovated our own homes I've done a little bit of work for sort of family and neighbors and things. But of this magnitude no never. We weren't, you know, honestly, we're completely naive. We we walked in the door. We fell in love we did not for 1 minute think through
price per square foot for renovation. And it was a commercial building, although people had lived up says in the apartments, you know, the the ground floor or sorry, North American first floor, nothing. We had to do everything from Hvac to plumbing to electrical install kitchens, bathrooms, the whole thing. So I I think that all translates to stupid. Money pit for sure. Money pet. Beautiful money pet. We love it. I'm sitting in the library at the moment. It's stunning. Thank you.
Yeah. We we we definitely didn't think it was the way through. When did things start to occur to you as far as there might be other people living in this house that we can't see. Probably about 6 6 to 8 weeks into it. So I'm a terrible insomnia yet. So I was up 1 night at around 3AM and I was painting and a lady shouted hello. And I froze in my spot, and it come from the parlor, just next door. And it honestly, I was terrified. Out, there was no bravery here. I I sat down
on the couch. I had the dogs with me. They their hackers had gone up. They were grow at the door. And I just sat there until the light came up and everyone's that started getting up. And I was like, okay, that... That's weird. I can't explain it. But okay. But then more and more things started to happen and it was it it it was sort of gradual, but it escalated really quickly if that makes sense. Like, we heard more voices.
You would hear music playing from the basement that would be, you know, footsteps walking around the house, doors would slam. The weirdest 1 is this gentleman that was in the house. So we didn't even think anything of it. We had 12 people here from a Tv crew filming. We had contractors and trades and deliveries. You know, for the first year, 18 months that we lived in this house. We were never alone, and there was always, you know, 20 people.
So we used to see this gentleman. We calling him the great jones because he's gray hair and he had gray trousers on and just a white shirt. He was just around. We'd seen walking through corridors, up the stairs, and we we didn't even question it until production shut down and everything was done, and 1 day, my husband saw in first, I was like, what are you doing? And so I sort of went to see what's going on and my husband's like, did you just see? Where did he go?
And I was like, what are you talking about? He's like that guy that we never knew who he was working for? And you regularly see him? He wander us a set path through the parlor, up the stairs into the main hallway, back down again, and you see him every 2, 3 months. And do you know who he is? Have you looked up history? So we have. We did research during the show, and we've had some investigators come in and look through the house as well. There's a book being written about the house available
in August, I think. A grave undertaking? A grave under undertaking. Yes. There are so many candidates of who he could be. We don't know for sure. He doesn't look like any of the photos. We we know he's not the original owners or any of the subs couldn't owners, but so much goes on this... On in this house and so much is seen and heard in this house. It's almost impossible to keep track. It's the craziest experience we've ever had. And I know I sound like a complete utter as I'm
talking about this. But not know. I believe in all of it. So you don't sound I'm crazy to me. Or it's really funny. So I... I... I'm with you. I always believed, and I had a few experiences in my life. Here something happens every day, and it's got to the point where we're almost almost bla about, you know, are regulars as we call them, like this gentleman, like some of the women that we, are hear talking and some of the other things that happened. But my husband and my my son were staunch
No. It's not a thing. You're crazy. And my husband now has had so many experiences. He's the first 1 out of the door now Like, yep. Houses haunted. Here's the things that happened. You know? Have you catalog how many people are there? So we've tried. We've got to the point we've we break it down into 3 categories. So we've got a core contingent of about 12 to 15 that seemed to live here full time.
And then we've got another sort of 15 or so that are our regulars by regulars, We see them or hear them every month or 2. And then there's what we call the pass it throughs, where you'll see someone or smell something or hear something or you'll get a voice, and you hear it once and it never repeats again. Interesting.
I always wonder if some of the spirits that we, hear or feel or smell or or sense that they're on their own timeline because of whenever the particular thing happened at the time of their death. And so it matches with that date or specific hour I look honestly, I'm open to any idea at this point because I... When I came into the house, I believed in so much. Now I believe in a lot less. But what I believe in, I wouldn't profess to know the reasons for it or anything like that, but I strongly
believe. And, like the gentleman, the great gentleman that we see all the time. What you're describing is exactly that he walks his path. It's at certain times of the day, it is every 2 to 3 months. He... There's no eye contact. He's not it. He doesn't even seem to be aware of us, and it's... You know, that residual, I guess is the the term of what's going on. But then there there are others. There's a lady that is 1 of our regulars. Her name is Poorly, which should be featured in the book.
She comes in every month, but she doesn't... She's not here full time, but she talks to us and answers and interacts and it it's nuts. It's completely nuts. It's, you know, noah when we first moved into the house, kept having someone sit on her bed. And she would get woken up when the person sat on the bed, and she could feel the pressure, and it freaked her out to begin with, but nothing happened and she didn't feel
She was freaked out but not scared. And so when we had the investigators here, we tried to get into that a lot more. And it turns out this is a lady Poorly she's from Dresden. Her family actually still reside in Dresden. Her husband had his funeral hair, and she visited this place. It was sort of a sort of a a beacon for the neighborhood. And when Noah moved in, Noah reminded her of her daughter. And she says that she really loves noah. It was... It'll be in the book and
we've got V of it. We were doing the second session with Poorly. And there's myself and Noah doing the session. And then there's 9 investigators. 8 of them are, you know, truly big bur men, you know, hardened to the paranormal world, and then Jill was also there who's a a sense she's amazing. And this is the point where we were, like, why do you keep coming and sitting on my bed? You know, what is it? And she just she wrote out love and, like, with all of us crying sobbing. It
was the most crazy but wonderful thing. That's lovely. Please tell me someone keeps coming into that room or am I just hearing a door open and shut out of nowhere. So you're hearing 2 things. There's someone in the... It's so where I am in the library right now beneath me is the old balm room and storage. There's someone wandering around down there and knocking things around. And then the other 1 was the the door that creek just then was my dog coming through, but you're probably good.
Good to know. Nothing was surprise me if you tell me you can see someone or hear someone I'm like yeah. Sure. If I got my eyes open. That's for sure. You said that there are things that you did believe in that now you don't believe in. Can you talk about that a little bit? So it's I guess it's a lot of it is the drama of it. Do you know when you watch the shows when you read some of the books. It's always a demon or something with a desperate message or something trying to hurt you.
You know, and I was always it it was always big and dramatic and that sort of thing. What I have learned now is that there's people that haven't moved on that are here for hundred and 1 reasons. And sometimes they just wanna carry on living, and it's actually nice and almost... Comforting to have people around, and it's not big dramatic things all the time, you know, a door opens and closes. Well, it's just someone coming and going.
You know, someone wants to spend time in the house because they love my daughter because she reminds them of their daughter. You know, it it's it's those things that I don't think people talk about or acknowledge as much. I mean, we have had a couple of sort of uncomfortable things happen, but it's... Yeah. It's the less dramatic scandalous, you know, ghost hunter type things that I think I think I believe far more and now.
I also think far more happens around all of us every day than we have any clue about. I would agree with that. That we're just not paying attention to or or not maybe aware you're probably getting more tuned in all the time living there as our I think your children have the benefit of being young, so they haven't been given the the bricks with which to wall themselves in, so they could still feel and hear things. Yeah. My daughter know her especially always has...
When we moved to here, she was 12 and very open. And she still is very open. I mean, she has from the day we moved in, she would get home from school and she would walk in the house and she'd walk up to her floor, which is a silly thing to say, you know, her floor. But she walks up her floor. She starts chatting. She chats to anyone that might be there that might wanna chat to her and, you know, she just... To your point is is open and it is just...
This is just what things are. Do you ever feel like someone might watch you all your having sex or going to the bathroom. We're taking a shower. I mean that stuff with K. I mean, we... With funny Aaron my husband and I Aaron and I have had that conversation and friends and Have made the joke and, you know, maybe. And if that's makes them happy, going for it. It was their house first and I'm shameless this. I mean, Ma'am, I'm with you. If they wanna watch that's on them, Not on me.
Just gonna be prepared for whatever they're gonna see, but, you know, you said there's been a couple of things. And obviously, the woman shouting hello to you was it was scary because you weren't used to it yet. But have you felt any kind of warnings or for whom the bell tolls situations? Yeah. There's only a few And I... They're probably more shocking to us because we're so used to sort of such a nice comforting environment when it happens it's like fall. But there's... So the woman shouts
randomly. She still shouts hello all the time, which she's caught everybody that's been in this house. It's quite amusing. But the first night that we had the investigators here, Richard a step and his team. After they left, and he'd be a long day, and we'd had some challenging things come up in some of the readings, dead left, Aaron and I had just gone to bed, and the house started banging. It sounded like the foundations were cracking. It's huge thud, thud. Literally the the floor shook.
Kids woke up We, like, the dogs are going nuts. We were just like, what the hell is happening. This house is silent. It doesn't even cr and settle you know, it was that was really unnerving. And about an hour after that happened, we were woken up by a howling. It sounded like a wounded animal, but it was coming from inside the house. So we had that on the first night, which we presume is people not happy with the investigation. We've had
1 day. There's a... There's 2 spots in the house that are They're uncomfortable. They're not terrifying or anything like that. But you definitely don't feel welcome in them. I was... I've gone into the habit of doing video or doing voice recordings and things. And I'd just walked into the family room. Again, it was about 4AM. And I sw blind. I had someone with through my ear basement. So I got my phone out. Did the voice recording, and I was just like, what's in the basement?
Didn't hear anything. Played it back when it was light outside because I am a coward. And there's a man's voice saying I am. And it was it it it was not threatening. It was just... It was horrible. I just hated it. It just... You know when you go in your skin cruise and everything that was really unsettling. And then sort of the other thing we have that we we just honestly don't know what to do with is we have a mimic. And I honestly never believed in mimics. I heard
stories. I know. I'm an idiot. Heard stories, and I thought it was people being silly or wishing that something was there. And it started off with my husband. My my husband was getting a drink, and my son supposedly walked past him and so my husband was just like, oh, I'm making a, book ton, Do you want want? No answer. And so he went around the corner where my son had just gone to, when he wasn't there. So he sent him a text message saying, where'd you go? And he was, like,
I in my room. I haven't been out of my room, what's going on. And then after that, it was my daughter and her friend, having a sleep over and they came downstairs about 11:00 at night to grab food, and they went through to the kitchen, but then they could hear me calling their names. And apparently I was in the room I'm in now, and they could hear it. God love my daughter was smart enough not to answer,
and they just got where on... As they were coming through to go back up to the stairs to go upstairs, They could see somebody standing there, calling their names in both of them just ran for their lives. And then I've had an experience with the minute mimic where I was again in insomnia year. So I was down here in the library with the dogs, and I was watching Tv. And my husband, he's got this great solution for insomnia. He looks at me and he says just go to sleep. It's like Honey
you're genius. I don't know why I didn't think of that. And it happens over the time. You can imagine how that gets. And so he walked into the library. And he said, what are you doing? And I just turned around and I glare at him. He's like, why don't you just go to sleep? And I was like, yeah. Great. And then I ignored him because I was angry. So he walked back off. And it was a few minutes later that I realized that I hadn't heard the stairs. You can hear when people come up and down.
So I got up and went upstairs and he was sound to asleep bed. And that to to now, that freaks me out that I could have a conversation and not understand that it wasn't my husband. That's bizarre. That to me, the mimics are probably the most terrifying. I now I've experienced it and I understand, I agree. The fact that, you know, if he had said, Oh, look I wanna show you something in the basement. I would have gone. It wouldn't have dawned on me not to go.
And when the mimic is calling my daughter's name and her friend's name. That makes me that you know, as nothing has happened, you know, again, you know, it's not like, anything awful has happened, but it does leave the sort of the idea in your mind of well why where where are we headed with this? You know, if we acknowledge you... What does that open up? I don't know. Yeah. I've got no answers. And is that a recent occurrence? Yeah. So it's been... Well, we've sort of now... Now we've realized.
We've been kind going back through all the different things that happened in like, oh god, maybe that was the moment maybe that was that. So it's been going on about a year, but it's in the last 4 months that it's ramping up. So it does make me very nervous. Richard, he did the investigation who's become actually a really great friend here and his team being great. There's sort of on hand to help us if anything should. Happen and they've offered to come back and
cleanse the house and do things. But I'm see. I'm I'm... It makes me very uncomfortable, but I'm also fascinated. Yeah. I might be on that. Do you feel that the other ghosts and or beings in the house would step in to protect you from that? Yeah. We do actually. And that's something that's come up a lot in the investigations and the readings and everything that we do is that you, it's again, not like the stories is in the shows and everything. Nobody's trapped here.
You know, we've had no communication that anyone is bound to this house or here against their will. It's very much people want to be here. And there's half an idea in my mind that when we have had then this sort of uncomfortable things happen. They've never happened again. With the exception of the mimic. And when we talk to the spirits and, a gentleman called is Stephen, who's a sensitive and well she's is a medium and an investigator.
You know, he's had conversations where people are very clear that they feel protective of us because we love the house so much and weird we've put it to a family home and it's coming back to life, pun intended. You know, that that basically, they sort things out. They'll look after us. Yeah. You know? And it's it's when... I do people whenever they come
to the house. They have this dear, you know, they look at the outside of it, which is kind of, you know, it's it's grand but creepy, and it's, you know, a funeral home and everything that comes alongside that they they come in the door actually nick. You should ask nick about this, but they come in the door and they're like, oh, I've never been anywhere so calm. It's lovely. It's you know, it is so welcoming. And I think that's a lot to do
with the people that are still here. It just You you do feel welcome. Yeah. You're a design aesthetic also helps a great deal, I think. It's quite lovely. I felt... That I mean, the the funny thing is is I learned about you because of Tiktok and only after that did I find out that you were related to Nick. Oh really? As I found you on Tiktok first. And then when I was thinking, oh, I wanna talk to these people. This is so fascinating.
Then I found the connection because I think he went and visited. Right then... And did pictures I went, wait a minute. This is the fan I'm, like, ledge what are you talking about. Right. It was funny. How these things play out. Yeah. He and Nick and Ashley and the kids came and stayed with us for a week over Christmas and New Year. Did their children experience anything out of the ordinary? Yeah. Kids are so open. So open and I'll let Nick tell story.
I don't know how much you would want to say, But I think it is fair to say that Nick walked in a skeptic and walked out very convinced. You should talk to Nick about it because, like, they had a wild time here with what they experienced. Yeah, Nick like, literally ran into somebody more than once they heard voices. They had kids running around, the Ollie experienced so much. And he actually... What's crazy mean his what 2 and a half when they were here.
And he was talking to dd and ruth, and we went back and looked at baby names and children's names and oh, yeah. They were here. It's just... Oh, so you have a you have a a list of the deceased that came through. No. We have a list of all of the families that have lived here and so all of the people, and then we have, like, anytime a name comes up we have to go and investigate. Because this house saw thousands. Right? Did anyone ever die in the house? Yes.
Oh, my god. We're up to, like, 23 that we've tracked so far, which is crazy. So, yeah. It it'll come out in the book But 1 of the families that lived here, 1 of the sons turns out to have been mentally ill and he killed 2 of his sisters in the house. Earlier than that, there was a mother. There was a woman a young woman, very young woman that's forced to get married and forced to have children. She had 11 children of which she killed 5 in the house.
In the house, all in the house. And then the other thing is that I didn't understand until we moved here is funerals and visitation are stressful, so people with underlying conditions, old people. It's not uncommon for them to just drop down dead. Literally, a funeral be going on with noah and I should told store. Noah and I were at the post office, and this woman came up to me, And noah. I was just like, I have to tell you story about your house. Were like, great. And they were like, my mom...
My grandmother died in there at a funeral. And I was like, I'm sorry. What? It was literally. So they were attending a friend's funeral. Her mother was singing at the funeral, and out she was singing her mother, so this woman's grandmother literally dropped dead and fell out of her chair. She was taken upstairs. Priest came, the the doctors came, declared dead, she was taken downstairs inbound and 3 days later. There was a service here for her. So...
And there was another 1. This guy. He didn't know who I was, and I was in a store, and he was he came in and he was talking to someone else and they were gossip about the new people that had bought the funeral home. He was like, I wonder if anyone's told them that that guy hung himself in the 1 of the bedrooms, hart. I'm sorry. What's this? And, yeah, at the sort of, I think 20 thirties someone can hung himself.
In 1 of the rooms. So, like, the longer you're here, the more people come and talk to you and tell you and then there's more that it Yeah. It's endless. Wow. That is wacky. And not unsurprisingly. I mean, just as you were talking about the various things especially with children, I'm glad as horrible as it is for kids to be murdered, obviously, or to die young either way, at least there are other kids there as well to play with. If they are going to be stuck in the
house or not... You what I mean? If you say that they're by choice. But if they're going to stay, at least they have play. This is the thing, and it's funny when when Nick the kids were here because they've got young children. It we occasionally hear the kids, very occasionally, not that much. Well Nick and Ashley were here. It was every day. Running around laughing, sometimes crying, we've got an E of a 1 of the children saying mummy,
it just... Yeah. Because the other kids, the live kids were in the house that probably got them all excited and wanting to play. Yeah. Because they wouldn't have seen them. I mean, there weren't any children living in this house since the forties. Yeah. So it... I mean, this must have been incredible to suddenly have live play, new play, whatever you want to That looked like them. I mean representation matters. It does. Does. Even in this spirit world, I'm sure. Oh yeah.
So interesting. Your Tiktok is great for those listening talk a little bit about that and your decision to make that and are you surprised by how it blew up. I mean, everyone's obsessed a little bit with haunting and things around supernatural. I think that goes without saying, but yours in particular got very popular. I honestly was surprised. And Yeah. I I actually... I've been terrible in the last couple of months, I need to get back to posting again, I'm rubbish.
Lot work. It took Yeah. Well I had no idea when we when we did the Tv show, we had to do social media, so I had to learn it. It was a hard lesson. And I now feel really mean about all the things that I said about influencers over the years and, you know, easy money? No. It's not. It's hard work. Thank you. 1 job. It's a full time job for sure. That's what... Yes. That's very much what I learned. And, yeah. Anyway, No. It was it was
really surprising. It's I doing the show and then keeping up with social media afterwards, we really thought that when the show came out, there would be either, with 1, we first believe we thought people were nuts for making this that Discovery plus was out of their minds. Nobody was ever gonna watch to show about our family. You know, Like, we thought it was stupid.
And then, not only did people watch it, but it had such a huge reaction, and we found we've we've found other people like us, you know, the... Have the family life have the experiences, that really embrace it, that are happy to fly the freak flag and be weirdo those and we are all 4 of us are. We know that. And it's it's been far more rewarding than we ever thought. And then when I got in the habit and study posting on tiktok the response to that.
You know, so many people being fascinated by the paranormal and by the renovations we're doing in the house because, you know, it's it's not your typical white everything or beat you something. You know, It's got a lot of personality. Yeah. It's been it it's been lovely. I gotta be honest. You talked about in 1 of the videos I watched. I think it's an upstairs room that has the welcoming. Is an unblock feeling? I'm assuming the basement also feels welcoming.
What was it about that room that major hack fries. So that's a room. Yes. It's actually... It's sort of off 1 of the wings and it's above the garages now. And it's... We call it the overflow room. So when they were em birmingham or if they had too many casket or too many services or the... It would get overflow up to this room. And it's it's literally... I... You go into the corridor and stand at the bottom of the stairs, And even if the lights on the room is dark, and it just...
It feels like pressure coming at you, like you are just not welcome. It's like do not come. As so when you do go up there and you get in there like your ears, pop, you feel a weight on your chest, you are very, very watched, and it feels borderline aggressive. And again, we had a, a someone come through who's also an investigator, Danielle. And, you know, she called it a lurk, someone that is just lurking and watching and unhealthy, not violent, but just creates that
nasty atmosphere. And so I even now, I'll turn all the lights on, but I make the dogs go up there with me. It's it's the last room. I've got 2 rooms left to renovate. It's gonna be the last 1. I'm really not looking forward it. Can you clear the space? Over do you feel like that's crossing a line, kicking someone out? That... That's exactly how I feel because lots of people who come in and say, oh, you could do cleanse and do staging and
everything. I'm not gonna do that. This wasn't really just the most recent caretaker of the space. There's people that have lived here for decades centuries in fact, it was their home first. I'm not gonna do anything that makes them feel unwelcome even if they make me feel uncomfortable. Mh. I once So I have all sorts of interesting stories myself, but I was once called to a house where there was drawers being open, plants being knocked off, lit candles being knocked off of counters, this
sort of thing. What felt like a true haunting. And what it turned out to be was a woman and her son this... She knew they were passed on or that they were not in corpus. The child did not, and she was adamant, she did not want the child to know. And the child was acting out because there were these people in his house. And it was sort of an intention thing and also a Brat thing. Yeah. And and it got him attention, and so it got he he kept to it. We ended up
in a nice little agreement. They left candy for him and the cupboards and in exchange for him not behaving that way. Was really fascinating is that he was obsessed with the red... Or there... No. He said the red... What did he say? The red it's a vehicle, but he called it something because from whenever they died, there wasn't such a thing as like a pickup truck. He called it something specific. The
red something. And it turned out that the boyfriend of 1 of the women that lived in the house had the shiny red brand new Gmc truck that he loved and he was obsessed with, and so we worked out sort of a negotiation that he was allowed to, you know, be part of, you know, play with truck and things like that as long as it didn't hurt or hurt anything or anybody. But It was wild to have these negotiations with the energy that very much is aware of itself.
That's... It... See that's exactly it. That's what happens here. And it is it is completely well because that's... I I don't even know how to put the thoughts together, the the words together. Just you can have a conversation. You can have a negotiation you can see the results of it with a spirit, of ghost, I call them energy because I don't know what the right thing is. It was swallowed completely long. It's so wild. It's so wild. I believe in it a hundred percent And
the thing that... That's so interesting and you've probably come across this and especially because the Internet creates trolls, but the idea that you don't have to convince anyone because you've experienced it. Just like, I feel like I have no need to to convince anyone of anything I've experience. It's my experience, and it doesn't matter to me whether you believe me or not because I know. Yeah. I'm not gonna fight you on it. I'm not gonna argue. I'm not gonna scream yell. Because it
doesn't matter. You know? Do you find that you have gotten more grounded that way? Yeah. Really really have you know, when we first moved in and things started to happen, especially the show wanted to bring it up, we pushed back a lot on some of the things that we would talk about on the show because we didn't want it to be that jump sensational thing because that's not a true representation
of what was have sitting here. And so when we first started experiencing and talking about it, my husband especially had and that's the dogs and the, okay. I'm much to get jumped on by dog down. I say. That is that satan who's just come in. You know, I I felt like I always had to defend my position on it and justify it and all of these things. And at this point, you know, I I don't. This is what happens. It's what I believe. It's what I experienced. We've had 20 people through here.
Who've done investigations. We have E vps. We have videos. We have pictures. We have, you know, we've just the evidence is absolutely crazy, but it's talk to you or you believe. It's, you know, and if you wanna be rude about it, you go ahead and make yourself feel great about it, but
doesn't bother to me any. Yeah. And even to go as far as the person that's in the the spare overflow room as you described it, It may be that they're just concerned that you wanna get rid of them, and so they're fighting sort of an offense is the best defense scenario. Yeah. It could well be. The basement one's is a little creep and the mimic thing, pretty creepy. Yeah. The deb basement is, although I've not had that voice. I've not had anything there since.
There is a spotting the very old basement. There's only 1 spot that gives you that sense. Yeah. We've we've not seen the... It's permanent above the the garages the room out there. It's day or night, it's they're there all the time. And we try and we're, you know, we we're very vocal that everybody is welcome to stay, you know, when people come in the house and suggest cleansing and various things. We are, we shut it down immediately, and we are very clear that that's
never gonna happen. Unless somebody does something to hurt 1 of us. That's that's a very different scenario, but Yeah. Everybody's is welcome here. Can't wait to watch this back and see if anything fl by because I'll tell you when we started this and we were talking, the... Everything in the background of my computer went completely black and then came back on again, and that's never happened. So I thought I was like, oh, we will get something good. You might. I watch it. You you would...
We we constantly had problems when we're shooting here, all the screens going out, batteries, like, the 8 hour batteries would last 20 minutes. You you name it. Or, yeah. It was fun. Yeah. I died twice when I was younger. And so my veil is quite thin. That's why Another reason I'm like, oh, I wonder... Oh, yeah. Because I I swear they recognize that in you and for some reason and
so they're more willing to talk... It's almost like like a social worker so they they're like, oh, you get what I've gone going through. I don't know. Weird. No, I think you I think you are spot on because what I have noticed that when people come to the house, as I say, usually, it's fairly quiet. And until sort of day 2 where they've figured out who's gonna be receptive who's gonna talk. But like I've had a few people 1 my friends, Vicki, she is very much like you, very thin about, very
sensitive see here all of it. And from the second she walked in, they're making her themselves known. Like, literally greeting her at the door. It's crazy. So I think you would... I think you'd have a time here. But again, it's nice. I mean, it's not threatening. It's it's fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. I think the biggest thing is it's all about boundaries. You don't scare me, I won't scare you. Is that a deal? You know? I it does. And there's been a couple of times where I have been scared, And
I you're not guys. This is not cool. Don't do that. Why would you do that? Yeah. You know? And again, probably sound completely crazy, but... Yeah. I believe it. And often told people that it's all about boundaries. The universe works with some some particular laws, and those laws are boundaries. Now there are those that that crossed the line, just like there are in life. Yeah. There's gonna be those that crossed the line in non life. I don't even like to call it death because I
don't even know what it is. But because they seem very much alive. They're just different, you know? We... This is why it's, you know, when Richard and I first met his first question to me was what do you believe? And I struggled to answer that because ghosts spirits, entities. None of those are right It it is energy that takes forms in the form might be sound or sight or smell... So if it's energy, they're not dead, but they don't have, you know, a proportional body. III
don't know. I just don't know. Is the plan. I read that you do you considering selling the house? So you're moving? Is that correct? Half. Yes. So my husband's job needs us to be, on the other side of Ontario for a while. We've got the house on Air airbnb, so you can rent it. Oh, yeah. It's it's is it's it's a little more popular than I first anticipated. Yeah. You think. Okay. I was like, oh, you know, the show was a year ago, everyone's over it. No 1 will know us and it's it's
doing quite well. And I'm really excited for people to experience this place. We love it so much. I can't wait for other people to experience it. It is on the market to sell because we don't know what we're gonna do. And there's a bit of a friendly competition between Aaron and I on, I'm like, well, if I can rent it, and, you know, while we're away, so it pays for itself, then we don't need to sell it, Do it. So that is that is my thoughts. So I'm just hoping
the rentals keep going. Because I love this place. It would absolutely devastate me. Yeah. It's so beautiful. Are you concerned at all? And I'm, again, thinking beginning of trolls and things. Are you concerned at all of anyone coming to stay there that is gonna try and, get rid of people that live in there just for kicks? I am the... There's a couple of things to it. There's there's that side where they are gonna try and move people on because It happens.
The only thing I would say on that is most of these people because because no one's trapped here because everyone is here by choice because the people coming in are usually novice that have read how to do things on the internet, they're probably not gonna be very successful. They're gonna annoy the hell out of me, they're gonna annoy the hell out of people that are here, but they probably can't do much damage. That's
what I'm telling myself. And then there's the flip side of it of just working out enough protection and how I understand if people are coming here and inviting anything else in because we are very cautious about... Thank you. How we communicate and how we protect ourselves and the house. Yeah. Absolutely. And bring some sigil situations into it or something. I'm I'm not sure, but there's gotta be Yeah.
Again, the team that's... That worked with Richard on the investigation, a couple of them have become very, very dear friends. And so they've been offering help and guidance on how we can do that. So good. Yeah. Get it protect them too. It would just a crazy thought that it's a reality for you.
It is a no. It's crazy thought, and it's crazy altogether, but it is a reality and Honestly, I hadn't really thought about it until Jill who I mentioned before was talking about some of the investigations she's been on where people that have gone on them with her. Has suddenly started trying to cleanse and release spirits and move them on and she's like, like, yeah. No. This is not the thing we do. Yeah. It's sort of horton. Here's a who and Be juice combined as a cautionary tale.
Yeah. It is can't. Well, tell people how they might find you in on the socials audio all that stuff and to be able to learn more about what you've done and and watch your renovations and such. Okay. So we have the show we bought a funeral home, and that's streams on discovery plus, H hbo Max and Prime. And then for both Instagram and Tiktok, we are the Bloomberg, and you can find us posting all sorts of weird things there. We are terrible at
social media. So you get the true story of our And then the house is on Air airbnb b, and you can rent it. I think it's under 06:20 Cross street. Is the title. So dresden, Ontario, you'll find it quite quickly. There's a lot of it out there. Have you had any people showing up on the door, you know, Bob Dylan fan style that are uni unavailable. Have you had that that scenario? Yes. We have. We have had people knocking on the door asking to come and drink in the speak easy.
We've had people, come to the house and demand to be shown around because we put it on Tv, and so they have a right to come in and see things. We have people that take pictures through the windows and then they send them to me on social media to say, look at the picture I got. That's a that's a really weird 1. That's worse than the mimic. It is. I... I mean, that's like 1 percent of the the people that do weird
or uncomfortable things. I mean, it has been an overwhelmingly positive experience so far. Yeah. When do you officially move out? And I I'm assuming the Airbnb things happen in sections, you're their part time and away part time? No. So it's... We officially launched the Airbnb in July. Our first guest come on July fifth. And so we will have a new place as I say, sort of the other side of Ontario called Ottawa, and so we'll be there. What we're the Ab airbnb being. And
just because the house is so big. We've decided that we'll only rent the whole house. So you can't do by room or anything like that. It just boom we'd have to have a property manager in here and managing it, and it'd be more of a traditional B, which we're not ready for. Yeah. Although what a cool job that would be to be the on site caretaker. I tried talking my son into it, but he was having none of it. So why hate did he he just didn't wanna be tied to the house like that? Yeah. Always
he's 22. He he's looking forward to getting him back to a city and, you know, finding a bar and a social life. I get that. Ontario is quite large. For those who don't know. Ontario was... Yeah, It's huge. So it's not like you can get up in the morning and say, I'm gonna nip over and check out the house. It's it's a requires time and effort. It does... So, Ontario, to drive across Ontario takes just over 24 hours to give you an idea of how big goal we call it a province you'd call it
a state, but it is massive. Yeah. Yeah. When we first moved it, I had no idea and you suddenly realize, you know, much like crossing America, you know, you go into so many different time zones and Yeah. Yeah Yeah. Absolutely. Well, it's still delightful speaking with you. I would love to come see the house. I just put I too. I'm so curious, and it also it's just stunning. It's a stunning home. You've done an incredible job. Thank you. Yeah. I really appreciate that. And
you should you should... When you can get here, come, we'll make sure there's no guest here and come and stay here. You'll have... The first night is always quiet. It's like they're sort of su you out and seeing, you know, if you're gonna be receptive and goes of it. And then then it's it's literally fun in games. It it really is It's a special place. Have you set out a chess set to point chess with anyone? Yes. Yeah. We have a... Yeah. I know. We have chess and we have both of the
checkers out. And do they play with you? A move. They do move. Yep. And we have put bells in every room because I've found by accident that there's... I think it's probably the kids they're like ringing the bells to let you know what room they're in and... Yeah. Oh, wow. That's so so cool. So goodness. It's so cool. What a great life you have. It has been completely wild and unexpected, and it has been it's been magical. It's been and the the fact that we've got to do is a family.
You know, is... We'll have this forever. You know, when Aaron and I gone and the kids have got their kids, they'll be able to show them what we did and this life we had. I mean, How cool is that? Oh, and if you decide not to sell it, it may just keep passing down through the generations. And then, maybe you and Aaron will get to haunt it and the just kick. Yeah. I think would be far more mischievous than a lot of the people we've got here, but I love that.
Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it. No. My pleasure thank you again for inviting me on. I really I'm gonna open a book on this. And if you have a follow ups questions or get asked anything, just let me know Happy I, I wanna get on a plane honestly. Right now. God that's Yes. I have a lovely afternoon. Okay. You too. And thank you. Alright. Lillian. Thank you for listening everybody. Bye. Bye. Rate review and subscribe to your Hey Human
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