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Heterodox Out Loud

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Heterodox Out Loud, hosted by HxA president, John Tomasi, is an ongoing podcast featuring conversations with people across the academy and beyond. Listen to insightful, thought-provoking episodes from the HxA community by adding our podcast to your lineup.

Episodes

How Cancel Culture Works with Greg Lukianoff | Ep. 05

In this episode of Heterodox Out Loud, John Tomasi speaks with Greg Lukianoff, an attorney, New York Times best-selling author, and the President and CEO of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE). He is the author of Unlearning Liberty: Campus Censorship and the End of American Debate , Freedom From Speech , and FIRE’s Guide to Free Speech on Campus . Most recently, he co-authored The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation...

Dec 13, 202356 minSeason 2Ep. 5

Why Biological Sex is Real with Carole Hooven | Ep. 04

In this episode of Heterodox Out Loud, John Tomasi speaks with Carole Hooven, Ph.D., a Lecturer and Co-director of Undergraduate Studies in the Department of Human Evolutionary Biology at Harvard University. We talk with Carole about Sex & Gender, her cancellation story, and the role of scientists in fostering a free speech culture. Heterodox Out Loud Heterodox Out Loud with John Tomasi is a biweekly podcast featuring conversations with people across the academy and beyond. Listen to insightful,...

Nov 29, 20231 hr 14 minSeason 2Ep. 4

Building a University with Pano Kanelos | Ep. 03

In this episode of Heterodox Out Loud, John Tomasi speaks with Pano Kanelos, President of the University of Austin, Texas (UATX). Kanelos is a leading advocate for free speech and open inquiry in higher education. He believes that UATX can offer a better alternative to the current system, which is often characterized by censorship and groupthink. Heterodox Out Loud Heterodox Out Loud with John Tomasi is a biweekly podcast featuring conversations with people across the academy and beyond. Listen ...

Nov 15, 20231 hr 2 minSeason 2Ep. 3

Free Speech on College Campuses with Eric Kaufmann | Ep. 02

Heterodox Out Loud Heterodox Out Loud with John Tomasi is a biweekly podcast featuring conversations with people across the academy and beyond. Listen to insightful, thought-provoking episodes from the HxA community by adding our podcast to your lineup. Follow Eric Kaufmann on: Twitter: https://twitter.com/epkaufm/with_replies Website: https://www.sneps.net/ Follow Heterodox Academy on: Twitter: https://bit.ly/3Fax5Dy Facebook: https://bit.ly/3PMYxfw LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/48IYeuJ Instagram: h...

Nov 02, 20231 hr 6 minSeason 2Ep. 2

The Trap of Identity Politics in Higher Education with Yascha Mounk | Ep. 01

In this episode of Heterodox Out Loud, John Tomasi speaks with Yascha Mounk. Yascha is a German born political scientist, author, and lecturer known for his research on the rise of populism and the challenges to liberal democracy. He has authored several influential books, including "Stranger in My Own Country", "The People vs. Democracy", and his new book, "The Identity Trap: A Story of Ideas and Power in Our Time" explores the rise of identity politics and its implications for social justice.B...

Oct 18, 20231 hr 43 minSeason 2Ep. 1

Welcome to an All New Season of Heterodox Out Loud!

Heterodox Out Loud, hosted by HxA president, John Tomasi, is an ongoing podcast featuring conversations with people across the academy and beyond. Listen to insightful, thought-provoking episodes from the HxA community by adding our podcast to your lineup. Follow Heterodox Academy on: Twitter: https://bit.ly/3Fax5Dy Facebook: https://bit.ly/3PMYxfw LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/48IYeuJ Instagram: https://bit.ly/46HKfUg Substack: https://bit.ly/48IhjNF   🔗 Find out more about Heterodox Academy a...

Oct 18, 20231 min

Final Episode: Welcome to Heterodox Academy, Jonathan Haidt

In our final episode of Heterodox Out Loud, we will listen to the first blog post on the Heterodox Academy website: “Welcome to Heterodox Academy.” It was written in September of 2015 by Jonathan Haidt, sharing his vision of building a community of people who treasure open inquiry, viewpoint diversity, and constructive disagreement. Let us know what you think! For comments and questions email [email protected] . This episode was hosted by Zach Rausch, and produced by Davies Con...

Jul 30, 20226 minSeason 1Ep. 44

Ep. 43: Stop Disparaging Working Class Students, Jonathan Zimmerman

In this episode of Heterodox Out Loud , we speak with Jonathan Zimmerman, Professor of History of Education at the University of Pennsylvania about why social class is one of the last acceptable prejudices in many academic circles — and what we can do about it. Jon has written numerous books, including The Amateur Hour: A History of College Teaching in America and Free Speech, and Why You Should Give a Damn . He has also written for the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Philadelphia Inqui...

Jul 21, 202228 minSeason 1Ep. 43

Ep. 42: How to Have Conversations That Work, John McWhorter and Glenn Loury

In this special episode of Heterodox Out Loud , recorded in-person at Heterodox Academy’s 2022 conference in Denver, we speak with Glenn Loury, Professor of the Social Sciences and Economics at Brown University, and John McWhorter, Professor of Linguistics at Columbia University. John has authored over 20 books on issues of race and language and writes a widely-read biweekly newsletter for the New York Times. Glenn has published numerous influential books on race, inequality, and economics. He i...

Jul 07, 202222 minSeason 1Ep. 42

Ep. 41: Is Woke Media Destroying Democracy? with Batya Ungar-Sargon

In this special episode of Heterodox Out Loud , recorded in-person at Heterodox Academy’s 2022 conference in Denver, we speak with Batya Ungar-Sargon about the declining trust in American journalism, whether trust is warranted at all, and how higher education may be contributing to this growing problem. Our guest is Batya Ungar-Sargon, deputy opinion-editor of Newsweek magazine. Batya is the author of Bad News: How Woke Media Is Undermining Democracy. Let us know what you think! For comments and...

Jun 30, 202219 minSeason 1Ep. 41

Ep. 40: Free Speech: A History From Socrates to Social Media, Jacob Mchangama

In this episode of Heterodox Out Loud , we explore the history of free speech, how the understanding of it has changed, and the volatile swings in public opinion about this core value. Our guest is Jacob Mchangama, a Danish lawyer, human-rights advocate, and social commentator. He is the founder and director of Justitia, a Copenhagen-based think tank focusing on human rights, freedom of speech, and the rule of law. He’s also the author of the acclaimed new book, “ Free Speech: A History from Soc...

Jun 16, 202231 minSeason 1Ep. 40

Ep. 39: A Defense of Faith Statements, Shirley Mullen

In this episode of Heterodox Out Loud , we look at a deeply counterintuitive claim within the free speech movement in higher education: that mandatory faith statements at universities may actually support and advance academic freedom. Our guest is Shirley Mullen, who served as president of Houghton College for 15 years, retiring in May of 2021. Prior to becoming Houghton’s president, she served at various times as a classroom professor, chief academic officer and residence life director. Blog po...

Jun 02, 202236 minSeason 1Ep. 39

Ep. 38: An HxA Conference Preview: The Trust Crisis In Higher Education, Erec Smith and Kyle Vitale

In this episode of Heterodox Out Loud , we’re giving our podcast community a first look at the vital conversations to expect at HxA Conference 2022 in Denver this June, as we host a discussion between two of our conference speakers on the crisis of trust in higher education—a central theme in both our upcoming conference and summer programming. Our guests on the show are Kyle Vitale, HxA’s Director of Programs and Erec Smith, Associate Professor of Rhetoric at York College of Pennsylvania and co...

May 21, 202230 minSeason 1Ep. 38

Ep. 37: The Life and Philosophy of HxA President, John Tomasi

In this special episode of Heterodox Out Loud , we’re sharing excerpts from a personal and wide-ranging interview between Heterodox Academy President, John Tomasi, and philosopher turned podcast host, Zohar Atkins. We hear Tomasi discuss his deep interest in philosophy, how skepticism and faith can be friends, and the challenges he’s faced throughout his career, both as an academic and now as president of Heterodox Academy. You can hear the full 70 minute interview on Zohar’s podcast, Meditation...

May 05, 202221 minSeason 1Ep. 37

Ep. 36: The Case for Courageous Truth-Seeking, Robert George

In this episode of Heterodox Out Loud , we explore the flawed human tendency to reject and censor opposing arguments — especially when they contradict values and beliefs that are held with conviction. Our guest on the show, Robert George, the sixth McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence and Director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions at Princeton University, explains how we can remain confident and passionate in our commitments, while also embracing and engaging oppos...

Apr 21, 202226 minSeason 1Ep. 36

Ep. 35: Diversity Is Not Enough: Why Collective Intelligence Requires Both Diversity and Disagreement, Ravi Kudesia

In this episode of Heterodox Out Loud , we explore a concept revered by many and challenged by few in higher education—the value of diversity. We look beyond the surface of this belief, and consider how different kinds of diversity impact team building, decision making, and collective intelligence. Our guest on the show is Ravi Kudesia, Assistant Professor at the Fox School of Business at Temple University. He teaches courses on Power, Influence, and Negotiation, has won numerous teaching awards...

Apr 07, 202228 minSeason 1Ep. 35

Ep. 34: Part 1: Political Diversity Will Improve Social Psychological Science, Lee Jussim and Jonathan Haidt (Blog Audio-Only)

On part 1 of this episode of Heterodox Out Loud , we’ll listen to Jonathan Haidt’s edited summary of a seminal academic paper that helped lead to the founding of Heterodox Academy. The original paper, “ Political Diversity Will Improve Social Psychological Science, ” was published in Behavioral and Brain Sciences in 2015, and was written by Jonathan Haidt, Lee Jussim, Jose Duarte, Jarret Crawford, Phil Tetlock, and Charlotta Stern. Make sure to listen to listen to part 2 where we speak with co-a...

Mar 25, 202229 minSeason 1Ep. 34

Ep. 34: Part 2: Political Diversity Will Improve Social Psychological Science, Lee Jussim (Interview-Only)

On part 2 of this episode of Heterodox Out Loud , we continue exploring how political bias in academia can solidify into orthodoxies that undermine truth-seeking and critical inquiry. We speak with co-author of Political Diversity Will Improve Social Psychological Science , Lee Jussim, Social Psychologist and Distinguished Professor at Rutgers University. Lee has published numerous articles and edited several books on social perception, accuracy, self-fulfilling prophecies, and stereotypes. For ...

Mar 24, 202223 minSeason 1Ep. 33

Episode 33: Suppressing Curiosity: How GPAs, Forced Memorization, and Mandatory Exams May Undermine Open Inquiry, Dylan Selterman

On today's episode of Heterodox Out Loud , we explore the possibility that the ongoing crisis of free inquiry and viewpoint diversity in universities is not a sudden aberration, but instead the inevitable outcome of a rigid, top-down university system. From undermining students’ natural curiosity to increasing stress and anxiety, we talk with Dylan Selterman—Social-Personality Psychologist and Associate Teaching Professor at Johns Hopkins University—about the flaws in our current education syste...

Mar 10, 202225 minSeason 1Ep. 32

Episode 32: Political Disparities in the Academy: It's More Than Self-Selection, John Wright

Why do some academic fields have political disparities among professors between 40/100:1 (liberals to conservatives), while other fields have little to no disparity at all? For answers, we talk with John Paul Wright, professor of Criminology at the University of Cincinnati. He explains that the political disparities that exist can be understood if we dive into the research on the development of criminal gangs. John’s blog: “ Political Disparities in the Academy: It’s More Than Self-Selection ” L...

Feb 24, 202229 minSeason 1Ep. 31

Episode 31: DEI Statements: Compassion Filter or Ideological Test? with Alex Small

On today's episode of Heterodox Out Loud , we explore the now widespread use of diversity, equity, and inclusion statements to hire, recruit, and promote in higher education. Our guest, Alex Small, Professor of Physics at California State Polytechnic University, argues that while inclusion statements are often well-meaning attempts to uplift compassionate teachers and mentors, they may be simply filtering for ideological conformity and slogan-savvy careerists. Alex’s blog: “ Diversity, Equity, a...

Feb 10, 202226 minSeason 1Ep. 30

Episode 30: Intersectionality Is a Political Football—Here’s Why it Doesn’t Have to Be, Chris Martin

Today’s show is our second episode about Intersectionality , an academic theory that began with important facts but slowly turned into an unhelpful ideology. We sit down with Chris Martin—HxA Co-founder and Psychologist at Oglethorpe University—who argues that Intersectionality can be a valuable tool, but requires those on the political left and right to concede a few critical points. Chris’s blog: “ Intersectionality Is a Political Football—Here’s Why it Doesn’t Have to Be ” Let us know what yo...

Jan 27, 202228 minSeason 1Ep. 29

Episode 29: Curiosity U, John Tomasi

Today’s episode is all about the purpose of higher education. We sit down with Heterodox Academy’s first president, John Tomasi, to discuss the future of university life and a new value that he thinks should guide us forward. Before joining HxA, John was Romeo Elton 1843 Professor of Natural Theology at Brown University. John’s blog: “ Curiosity U .” Let us know what you think! For comments and questions email [email protected] . This episode was hosted by Zach Rausch, and prod...

Jan 11, 202250 minSeason 1Ep. 28

Episode 28: University Professors After the U.S. Capitol Riot: Good Intentions and Disastrous Ends, Martha McCaughey and Scott Welsh

This episode—released one year after the U.S. Capitol Riot—examines the role of the “scholar-activist” and how their good intentions may unintentionally lead to disastrous ends. We sit down and discuss these topics with Appalachian State University professors: Martha McCaughey, Professor of Sociology, and Scott Welsh, Associate Professor of Communication. Martha and Scott’s blog: “ University Professors After the U.S. Capitol Riot: When Becoming Part of the Solution Is Part of the Problem .” Let...

Jan 04, 202228 minSeason 1Ep. 27

Episode 27: A Heterodox Holiday Special with Jonathan Haidt, Erec Smith, David Diener, & Angel Parham

We’re living in difficult times. Our nation is increasingly polarized and our campuses are plagued with distrust and fear. As we move into 2022, we share three blogs that we hope will inspire, ease divisions, and cultivate a sense of wonder and humility. Today’s episode includes Jonathan Haidt’s essay, “ True Diversity Requires Generosity of Spirit ,” Erec Smith’s “ A Rhetoric of Common Values ,” and a new essay by Angel Parham and David Diener, “ How Our Fraught History Can Still be the Source ...

Dec 23, 202127 minSeason 1Ep. 26

Episode 26: Asymmetries in the Culture War, Christian Alejandro Gonzalez

Today’s episode examines how we treat our ideological adversaries and how responses to them often come down to a numbers game. We sit down with Christian Gonzalez, a Ph.D. student in political theory at Georgetown University and a Writing Fellow at Heterodox Academy, to discuss a disturbing story about power, human nature, and public discourse. Christian’s Blog: On Social Power Dynamics in Political Discourse For comments and questions email [email protected] . This episode was...

Dec 02, 202120 minSeason 1Ep. 25

Episode 25: How Critics of Intersectionality (Often) Miss The Point, Ian Storey

Are certain ideas inherently dangerous—and when can we reasonably separate a set of ideas from the aggressive tactics of those who push them forward? This week on the Heterodox Out Loud podcast, we’re sitting down with Ian Storey, an associate fellow at the Hannah Arendt Center for Politics and Humanities at Bard College, to explore these important questions, especially as they relate to modern conversations around Intersectionality, deplatforming, social media, and the path toward civility in p...

Nov 18, 202125 minSeason 1Ep. 24

Episode 24: Restoring Civil Discourse in Higher Education, Pano Kanelos

Today’s episode features Pano Kanelos, a university president on a mission to restore civil discourse in higher education. We’ll learn how the campus life he loved so deeply began changing for the worse. Tune in for a conversation about moral leadership, civil discourse, the future of the university, and a radical idea that may upend everything. Pano’s Blog: The Importance of Learning to Argue From Ancient Greece Through the Present For comments and questions email communications@heterodoxacadem...

Nov 09, 202127 minSeason 1Ep. 23

Episode 23: What the ‘Free Speech’ Debate is Still Missing, Ilana Redstone

Today’s episode is about how voices become silenced and when to determine if a free speech crisis exists. We’ll hear the story of Ilana Redstone, a professor who argues that we must go beyond the surface and look at subtle forms of censorship and suppression that exist within higher education. Our topics include free speech, the covid-19 pandemic, and bias in the classroom. Ilana’s Blog: What the ‘Free Speech’ Debate is Still Missing To engage deeper with these ideas, check out HxA’s Open Inquir...

Oct 14, 202124 minSeason 1Ep. 22

Episode 22: Why Bad Things Happen: Covid and Health Inequality, Michael Jindra

This episode is about how we explain why bad things happen. We hear the story of Michael Jindra, a cultural anthropologist who challenges the common narrative around health disparities in the United States. Our topics include free will, systemic racism, and personal responsibility. Michael’s blog: Covid, Health Inequality and the Avoidance of Behavioral Explanations. To engage deeper with these ideas, check out our related posts: Politics, Evolution, and Gender: A Heterodox Firestorm and Lessons...

Sep 30, 202122 minSeason 1Ep. 21
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