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Save up to 40% your first year at LiveLock.com slash podcast. Terms apply. Would you say you are a mom? Yeah. I don't believe that you can actually become a woman or become a man. I think that your biological sex is a solid state of reality that you're born with. When you start getting into the ideological side of being trans, that's where you start having to tell lies.
Having to tell lies like, I am a woman, I experienced walking into a doctor's office and they gave me a prescription for estrogen. Within 30 minutes max, that's when you get into maybe those kinds of people run the world. And they decide what you can and can't talk about. I think another part of it that people don't talk about is it's a Caucasian problem. I don't really see a lot of black families falling victim to this, transitioning their kids. Your father didn't make it easy for you.
I survived, however I survived, and I'm here now, and I'm happy. What was the last thing you said to him? It was something pretty bad. They say that detransitioning is just one percent of people who transition. What do you say to that? Hello and welcome to another episode of Heretics. Today I've got the famous Blair White and American. An American man or woman, I don't know. Well, a man actually who presents as though they were a woman.
Obviously I've looked into this in many different ways, but I haven't really had somebody quite like Blair White. I'm not sure there are many like him or her in the world. So Blair is somebody who passes extremely well as a woman. This is one that you may want to watch on YouTube. It's up there, of course. And it does bring a whole bunch of philosophical questions into minds. Because, of course, many of the people we've been discussing before are straight men who tend to dress like their mother.
They wear the skin of their mother in some respects, and have fetishes for presenting as women, and then go into the women's toilets and so on. Blair, on the other hand, is a gay man, short and petite in stature, and able to pull off looking very much like a woman. Although Blair has not had what they call bottom surgery. So it's all a strange thing. It's strange to be in a room with Blair. It's strange to watch Blair because it's not what the mind is used to.
But Blair is also somebody who's vehemently anti the trans ideology, and does not for a minute believe that Blair is actually a woman, because Blair isn't completely insane. So it's a big complicated one. I'm interested to know what you guys think. Let me know on social media and all of those kinds of things. Support the show on Andrewgoldheretics.com. And do make sure to follow Blair Whitech, who has a very large YouTube channel. I'll see you at the end. Who are you, Blair Whitech?
I guess that's a bit of a complicated question. I think I'm a lot of different things to a lot of people. But for me, I am a political commentator, a social media influencer, hate the term, but it applies. Sure. I have a podcast called the Blair White Project. I am known for having sort of an alternative view on trans issues. Despite being trans myself, I'm often at odds with workness in general. But specifically like the LGBT, I guess it's QIA plus infinity symbol.
Now, but those people, the rainbow people. And it's been a really, really wild journey. I've been doing this for about eight years now, which is kind of crazy to say, because it feels like I started yesterday. But also it feels like a long time ago. Yeah, I guess that's me in a public nutshell. Yeah. Do you worry about how fast times moving? I worry every night about that. Yeah, people say it's moving faster post COVID. Like I see a lot of even like normies on like TikTok.
Talk about how it's time moving differently after COVID. Why would that? Well, because we're all traumatized from that shit. Platy. Can I swear on here? Yeah, no, that's right. Not you. Which I don't even remember you swearing now, but don't say it again. Yeah. Whatever it was. I think just that that P word is the bad one about people who are interested in children. That's the one you don't want. Right. Even the R word for sort of an assault on women or whatever, you know that.
Yeah. And I hate that because I feel like those are the most important conversations we need to be having. And censoring them, you know, and I get that you have to obviously I do too, because I do this as well. It kind of diminishes the importance of the topic. Yeah. Yeah, I absolutely agree. It's mad. It would only be victims talking about this. So why should they be disincentivized from telling their story as ridiculous? Well, that's when you get into maybe those kinds of people run the world.
And they decide what you can and can't talk about. Right. It's strange just being in a room with you. And I'm sure you've had this before because I expose the brain is so used to just separating. Okay, this is a woman and this is a man. And you I mean, is that what you're famous for really that you passed so well as a woman? I mean, that's definitely part of I guess the like lore of me and people say that. And I I guess I don't know exactly how to internalize that because I'm just me.
And it is what it is. But yeah, people people say that. Hmm, how do you explain the feeling to someone who doesn't because I don't feel like a man or a woman? I just sort of I feel like maybe I do feel like I'm a man. I don't even realize it. How do you explain that feeling of wanting to be or wanting to be perceived as a woman? Yeah, I think that's an important differentiation.
First of all, is we perceived as because I don't, you know, this is one of the things I'm at odds with the community on. I don't believe that you can actually become a woman or become a man. I think that your biological sex is a solid state of reality that you're born with. I just think that you can make certain choices to live your life a certain way and, you know, be perceived a certain way.
And I think that when you start getting into the ideological side of being trans, that's where you start having to tell lies. Right? Having to tell lies like I am a woman and I don't believe that for a second. I believe I'm a trans woman, which is a social and cultural label. And then I believe beyond that, I'm obviously a biological man. And I don't think there's anything wrong with being a man. So I don't, you know, take offense to knowing that within myself.
For me, I actually discovered there was a trans ideology after transitioning. I never knew that there was this political sort of very angry and very, you know, opinion driven side to it. I just was addressing, you know, what I believe was what I know was a medical condition. I was either born with or accumulated very early because it's hard to say, right? Like was I born with it or was I, you know, did it start when I was really young? I didn't know it had all these political implications.
And so I just started speaking my mind right off the bat. And, you know, when you are trans and you disagree with, you know, these procedures being given to children, which I believe is a common sense thing to stand against. And I think you discover really quickly that people have an issue with that. So I'm rambling, but no, you're not. It's actually very succinct. And now I've lost my train of thought. What was I going to say? Oh, I had a good point.
Shit. Oh, with something like Islam, a different sort of ideology, the public enemy number one is an apostate. Somebody who from within who left because that's dangerous for that ideology. So is that how you feel? I mean, along with maybe JK Rowling and a few others, are you like public enemy number one? Yeah, maybe out number one, JK might be number one, but I'm definitely in that top five, I think. And it's led to a lot of really interesting life experiences, you know.
Unfortunately, that community has a lot of other issues that go along with the gender stuff. And a lot of other issues that get misdiagnosed as a gender stuff, because unfortunately, we have, you know, a crisis in this country with mental health professionals that would rather quickly, you know, sign a thing and get you on pills, even though it may not be your problem. And for me, I also experienced that.
I experienced walking into a doctor's office and they gave me a prescription for estrogen and sort of a road map for future surgeries within 30 minutes max. And it was only by the luck of, you know, a role of a dice that this ended up being what was right for me personally on an individual level. But unfortunately, a lot of people are falling through the cracks, children and adults, a lot of autistic children and adults. And it's to the point where I think you can only fix it from within.
So that's why I feel like one of my life purposes, and you know, we can get into whether that's a purpose sort of driven by God or by personal, you know, values or whatever. It is my purpose to sort of fix this from within. So they say that detransitioning is just one percent of people who transition. What do you say to that? I'd say it probably used to be, you know, I remember when I started my transition, I actually looked into this.
I was like, okay, so other people that this was about a decade ago, I transitioned. I said, are there people that regret this that go through surgeries or treatments or whatever and made a mistake? It was very difficult to find any stories. I think I found one and it was like a much older person and there wasn't a lot of detail. So it gave me sort of a false sense of safety. And again, it's the luck of the dice that it was the right choice for me personally.
But, you know, now you have thousands of kids going online, making stories, posting social media, and really letting it be known that there's a lot of malpractice happening. And it's happening on kind of extreme levels, especially like I said, it was only one person and now there's thousands of stories. And of course, only a tiny fraction of people who really go through that are going to want to put their story out. So you can only assume it's like 10 times that.
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering as well because a lot of people I've spoken to detransition. I did a video with, I don't know, did you see Richie Heron? Have you heard of him? Yeah, I had him on my podcast a couple years ago. Oh, right. And so he said he went back and doctors were just like, no, no, no, and just dismissed him. So he wouldn't count towards that percentage of detransition because you can't really detransition. Can you, especially if you've had bottom surgery? Yeah, yeah.
Depending on what you chose to do, there's certain, there's levels of reversibility. And unfortunately, the most non-reversible things are the things they put kids through pretty quickly. You know, top surgery for a young girl, especially as a big one. Obviously, you can never get your breasts back if you choose to remove them or even that's a lie, they don't choose it. Because of the trial, you can't choose that.
So if an adult chooses for a young kid to remove their breasts, there's no reversibility in that. And that's deeper than just an aesthetic thing, right? I've seen people say, oh, you can get implants. It's like, okay, but they can't feed their future children. You know, breasts only have an aesthetic function. So yeah, it's bad. It's bad. And I feel personally really reinvigorated to attack this issue even further lately, because I just got off of the tour.
I did a podcast tour across America and Toronto, Canada. And it was shocking because so many of these young people, 90% being autistic, would come up at the Q&A's and they would, you know, hold a mic and say, I have had my life ruined by this. And thank you for speaking out. And it's really, it's really inspired me to really make this one of my main topics. Not that I ever stopped, but it's, you know, important. What does it feel like to you to present as a woman?
And do you get people then criticizing and saying, well, okay, it was all right for you to get these things done, but now you want to stop others from doing it? Well, I actually don't want to stop adults who go through proper medical channels to get anything.
I think that if you, when you turn 18, if you can vote and live and die for this country, and you can, you know, start paying taxes, and you can opt for whatever surgeries you want, I just advocate for a re-installment of actual, you know, safeguards on this issue because one of the things people don't really realize, because most people only heard about the topic in the past decade, at most, at most. And for some people, we're just in the past couple of years.
Is that going back almost a century when people first started having access to surgeries and treatments to the medical system? When it came to transitioning, there was a lot of requirements you had to meet to ensure that there wasn't that regret. And for all intensive purposes, it seemed to mitigate the stories of regret, because like I said, I only found one story when I started.
It was around that time they started removing the safeguards in the name of a quality and ease of access for people that wanted these things. But as it turns out, those hoops you had to jump through, like living as your opposite gender for a year or more, like going through medical and mental exams, those kind of did mitigate a lot of these regret stories. And so that's what I advocate for for adults to have to go through that again and for a complete ban on minors.
What are some of the things that you've had done? Because I'm always just amazed at the pain that things, you know, I'm supposed to have a nose thing, because I can't breathe well from my nose. And I've just avoided it for about 10 years so far. And it was just things going up. No, I'm not having it. So what have you done? Yeah, so just hormone treatments is probably pretty obvious, but I've had one surgery. And that was I got some things under my face and my breast at the same time.
And then other than that, this kind of normal upkeep stuff that you could go do at a clinic here in the wherever, you know, nicking, you know, Botox, that kind of stuff. So actually not much. And definitely not anything that if I would have gotten it done as a minor, would have been okay for me, right? And this is sort of some people don't understand why I want these safeguards and want to, you know, in their words take away people's access to this stuff.
And it's because even though this has been personally the right choice for me on an individual level, I also know that if I would have done it before being an adult, it would have been disastrous. I wanted to made the right choices in what I was getting done. And so it just really comes down to that is that for some reason people have a hard time understanding the concept of consent. And that seems to be something that tracks in all areas of life, you know.
And there seems to be sort of a seizing of people's ability to consent these days. And that's wrong. Yeah, I think so as well. I spoke to a doctor the other day, Dr. Azhakim, who's a, he wrote a book called D-Trans. And he says that most trans people from what he's seen seem to fall into two categories. One is autistic people and a third category is also gay people struggling with their identity. And the other one is a people who have gone through trauma.
And he said a lot of them are trying to sort of put their mother on them, sort of try their mother on as a skin almost. I think he's generalizing of course, but does that, any of that speak to you? Possibly, maybe possibly like a mixture. And of course it is impossible to not generalize a bit when we were talking about this, right? You know, I definitely have had my fair share of trauma as a kid. I grew up with the reality of being a really, really feminine male child.
And so especially back in the 90s or the 2000s, when I was growing up, that was going to be met with a lot of issues. They called you the F word for? Oh, for sure, for sure. And you know, there was maybe incidents of violence or bullying or whatever. Sort of here about us. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Part of me is like maybe some aspect of bullying should be brought back with society today, but maybe only a little bit, like 10% of it. Amazing. Just a little bit, just a little bit.
Some people don't go through enough. I'm kind of learning like some people don't go through enough, but the cobbling of the American minds. Right, right. But it's, but it's also kind of hard to say what caused it. That's why I don't claim to be one of these people who, you know, I hate the phrase born in the wrong body, because that would sort of imply that it was a little bit more. And it would imply that it was a pre-birth determination that would imply.
And perhaps it was perhaps it was something hormonal in the womb. Perhaps it was a trauma really early on. I can't even remember. I don't really know. And these are conversations that I wish we could sort of get to the point of having. But so long as sort of we're up in the more shallow aspects of it. It's really hard to do that. I did a video on my channel where I talked to a therapist.
And he was sort of, I forget what the exact phrase is, but he deals specifically with trauma and with anxiety and stuff like that. And we definitely identified that trauma may be a part of being trans. And I don't shy away from that being a possibility. And I think people don't want to talk about that because people don't want to feel like that's invalidating who they are. But for me, it actually validates even more so who and what I am because it shows that I survived, however I survived.
And I'm here now and I'm happy. And I don't feel like anything that happens to you as a child, you should hold shame for that. You know, anything that happens to you as a child, you're innocent. So at the end of that video, is it Dr David Sutcliffe? Yes. He holds your hands and you have a... Yes, shout out to David Sutcliffe. And you have an emotional reaction. Yeah, that was so, oh my god.
It was kind of embarrassing to put that up just because, you know, it's very, very vulnerable and personal. But at the amount of messages I've got for people just saying how much it helped them and how much it helped them figure out things about their own life and experiences. Then that is why I do what I do in general. So how do maybe, you know, take a little shot at Tiki level before uploading that day, but I did it. And please do did it.
Really something to watch. I hope people will go and check that out. How can you explain to the viewer who's not inside your head? It seems like David Sutcliffe was inside your head. I don't know how. He got in there. Yeah. What was going on in that moment? I think just the validity of what he was saying, that for my own personal life, you know, I'm a very independent person to a fault. I don't have a lot of close relationship with family, so I've kind of had to figure a life out by myself.
I've had to become an entrepreneur and self-sustaining completely as an adult, which is not a pity party. You know, I think that that is what made me strong and successful. So I wouldn't take away anything I've been through or had to do. But I think it was just the truth of it that like there probably is a part of me and I think of everyone that just wants, you know, an adult to make it easy for them or to protect them. I never really had that.
But again, it's an overgrought sufferer because I'm here for a reason and I do a lot of good in my own personal opinion. That's not coming from a place of ego. I'm told that I do a lot of good by people who, you know, I helped. So, yeah. Your father didn't make it easy for you from what I gather from that video.
Yeah. Yeah. A lot of daddy issues, for sure, you know, a lot of family issues in general, I think that sort of as you become an adult, if you live through a family that maybe didn't make all the right choices for you or for you, you start to realize it as an adult like, oh, that was actually something bad.
You know, maybe these memories are attached to something very, very bad. So, yeah, it's one of those things where I've never gotten to a place and perhaps I will someday where I can really talk about specifically what that is. But I think that less important than like specifically what it is, it's just saying to people like, there can be things that happen during the course of your life that cause certain things.
And perhaps trans is one of them. I can see it for other people. And I always, you know, insist that if it can be possible for other people, it's possible for me. I love a great deal as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to crawl through a bed of hot coals just to save a few bucks. It has to be easy. No hoops, no BS.
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There's people that do it for fetish reasons. There's people that do it for power reasons, political reasons. That's why you have labels like non-binary. You have labels like gender queer. Those are political terms, whereas the term transactual is only very recently politicized.
Many people, especially maybe on the right side of the spectrum, politically don't know. The word transactual is like a big no-no to the leftist trans sort of brigade because that refers to a time where there was actual a medical qualification for it. They don't believe in that anymore.
There's a huge political side to it and that's why it's hard for me to pretend as if I don't understand people on the right's lack of understanding on this issue or lack of tolerance for it because I would hate the entire topic if I wasn't trans. I do hate it and I am trans.
But what I try to teach people and what people do walk away from my channel learning is that there's an older description of what this is that was about mental health and about an actual medical issue and now it's political. The same as they do with all groups. You can look at any minority of people, gay people, lesbians, black people, indigenous people. We have a modern left that really picks up these little individual groups.
There are a lot of other sizes that have a lot of them, raises money on them, raises votes off of them and decides how you can speak about them and how they're a lot of speak about themselves. It just so happens that when it comes to trans, it's a really tiny and in a lot of ways more vulnerable group. It makes it even more sick what they've done to that group.
Because even when I transitioned a decade ago, it wasn't like this. It wasn't like, woke and queer and gender this and it's just so different. It was like, oh, you have a medical issue. Let's see how we can handle that. And now it's, oh, you have a political identity. Let's raise money and votes off that. It's crazy.
Do you think your desire to distance yourself from that woke side? Let's call it leads to you avoiding speaking as though you feel sorry for yourself. For example, when I ask you about your dad, do you distance that a little bit because I heard you say this or this is, you know, anyone has bad stuff and whatever and I'm fine.
Is that maybe part of a reaction to that that woke side of all everything that happens to me is? Yeah. Yeah. When I think of any possible traumas I went through, I really think of it more as like a cause and effect thing. I don't think of it as. That is my identity. I don't even really think of trans as my identity. In fact, I never really think about it unless I'm on camera talking about it. Like in my real life, you know, my friends and family and my partner and my fiancee, like they.
People I work with in business, even it's like that's not a thing really. I'm always happy to talk about it on camera because it's my purpose, like I said, but yeah, it's also that sort of I've always identified more with the right wing sort of like. Personal responsibility, personal liberty, taking your your life in your own hands, because no one else is going to and if anything, if you live a life where you maybe have been through things, you learn that better than anyone else.
If anything, if you live a life where you're kind of caught old and never really went through anything, I see that way more on the left, you know, when you really get to know people on the right, a lot of them have been through a lot of horrible things. A lot of them have had, you know, really early life realizations that like no one's going to help them with them. And that sort of inspires their political ideology. And that's definitely the case for me, you know, trans or not.
Remember when movies you starve heroes who wouldn't play victim, you know, the whole point, stoic and stiff up a lip and all of those kinds of things. Yeah. And there's a toxic element to that where you don't, you know, ever want to acknowledge or think about bad things that happen and that can manifest in a bad way as well. But there's the other side of it where it becomes your identity and becomes an excuse not to prosper and live your life, you know, how you should be.
And I'm all about prospering, I'm all about being better this year than I was last year. Every year I want to try something new. Every year I want to expand what I'm doing. So yeah, it's about what the difference between who you are and what happens to you, they're not the same thing. What was, I won't just laid back your father was any cause I watched that video just the other day, what was the last thing you said to him?
It was something pretty bad. It was, it was something pretty bad. We didn't have a good relationship growing up and he died pretty suddenly of cancer and unfortunately one of the last things I said to him, we had a fight and I told him I hope we dies. And so that also was, you know, on the list of things you've been through, you know, understanding that life is short and the people you have in your life, regardless of their flaws.
You never know when they can be gone in a second, so you should appreciate people. But it felt like you might have taken that on as though it were your fault or something. Yeah, it's hard to, you know, tell someone they hope to die in a week, a week later they do. I mean, it's hard to not full some sort of personal responsibility, but I, but I have been over that for a long time. I know that obviously that's just a pretty sick coincidence.
You grew like crazy on YouTube, like super fast. What does that in that? Because very, very few people in the world experienced that. Yeah. What does that feel like? Is it you out of control or is it all good or they're bad as well? Good and bad as with everything in life. But the bad never outweighs the positive.
And even when it's gotten really bad, like, you know, because I've done politics, especially all in the Trump era where you cannot be, you know, on the right in any way, and it's become sort of a crazy world to be on the right. It's getting a little better now, but I was doing it through the thick of those 2016, 2020 years when the world was locked down. And if you said anything nice about Trump, you're an oxy, right? It's still like that. It's just slightly changing.
You know, I've had death threats. I've had the FBI knock on my door and say, Hey, we have a credible bed against your life. Wow. Yeah. So it's gotten crazy. But what I've learned is like those people are just cowards. You know, they could never stand in the fire of what people who really speak authentically do and what I've done. And that's why they have to send threats that'll never actually make do on self-protector self. That's why I have about 30 guns now. Do you?
I do. But I'm a bit of living in Texas. Yeah, it's probably shocking for a bread. Yeah. Yeah. Every time I tell the bread, I forget like, Oh, I probably shouldn't maybe it would have that number down when I told you. Three guns. Three guns. I'm getting to grips with it. And I understand it as well. But 30 because there's not going to be a moment where you need or 30. No, only have two hands, but it's more of a hobby for me now. I also am big on customizing them.
So I have a pink AR 15, I have a pink flame thrower. Probably really shocking for a bit of purple AK. I have a lot of stuff. So it's like a hobby. And I do enjoy the sport of not hunting. I'm not a I can't get behind. I can get behind other people hunting, but I can't kill an animal personally. I think you don't want to get behind other people hunting, but you have to say it to stay in like, this is how I feel.
Sort of. I mean, I because I really do understand that people do it in a way that's about sport. And I meet so who am I to, you know, yeah, it's a cognitive distance that I'm like, I can't shoot an animal, but I eat me, you know, so that's why I know that logically I can't stay here and be like whatever. But as far as me pulling a trigger on like a little beautiful deer or something, I don't think I can do it. Yeah. So it's about a sport in a hobby really for me.
I went vegetarian and that's really hard in the spheres that we. I was vegan for eight years. It was when I was a teenager. It was like from 13 to like 19 or something. But yeah. No more, no more. I don't know. I don't know if I can change back because I just I get disgusted now by the idea of me in my mouth.
You know, it's weird. It's kind of like an ebb and flow with me. Like there was a time where I absolutely was like that. And even even with, you know, dairy products and eggs and stuff like that. And I was very, um, people are like, what was your, uh, leaving the left moment? When did you leave the left? And I'm like, I never was on the left. The only sort of like vaguely left discipline in a haze a teenager was I was very pro like animal.
Yeah. And that kind of dissipated out of my life as I became a little older. And sometimes I do feel like a spark to reconnect to that. Not to be like a militant like judging everyone who eats meat, but maybe on a personal level. Like, you know meat is kind of gross. And it is. Yeah. That's what I feel. And then, and then cheese is like almost like grocer. Yeah. And so boobs of a cow. Right. Right. Right. So by still eat that. I have to just like forget I'm eating that.
I mean, I have to get what it is. I used to be able to eat chicken, but if I saw the whole chicken, that made me feel a bit sick. Right. And there's something also about having to, you know, even people who eat meat, I think everyone to a certain extent has to pretend that the suffering isn't happened. And that fact reforming isn't as barbaric as it is. You know, so, you know, I feel that coming back sort of a reconnection with that.
So I had this thing. I was a dinner recently and I was sitting next to you know, Constantin Kissin of trigonometry. And I had tried to very quietly tell the chefs or whatever, like by the way, I'm vegetarian just can, you know, they put like a big placard saying vegetarian right next to me. So when Constantin saw that. Yeah. I had, I, you know, I've had like abusive texts from Francis as well. I'm having they all having to go, you can't be that in this fear.
But what's it's frustrating because you don't want people to think that you're judging them. And this is what I'm getting from you as well. It's like, you guys do your thing, you know, I just want to do mine. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I feel. And that's the whole life in general, you know, like I, I also don't understand right. Sorry. I don't pretend that I don't understand people who don't get the trans thing.
You know, all I want is the freedom to be an American who chooses the life that I choose and to live in a way that I don't harm other people. So I expect the same in return. And with with the vegan and the vegetarian thing. It's yeah, I think that there's an air of like people who assume you're judging them. So I totally get that. And I also, you know, used to judge them, frankly, when I was a teenager when I was more radical about it. So I understand why they have that.
You know, opinion on that because I was one of those people for a while. Yeah. It's the same with atheism. I'm an atheist. But I hate the people think I'm judging them if they have belief in God. Like, do you think like great, great. I, you know, I don't. But everyone's worried they're being judged. We're all just we'll just want to be liked. I think that's what it is. I don't know about that. I don't know. I don't know how much I care about being liked.
I mean, to a certain human extent, because you know, if you're disliked enough, then you're like risking your life, right? But like. So I think a bare minimum, but is that YouTube? Is that going through so many years of I presume hearing the worst possible reading the worst possible things like yourself. Yeah. As I've had, you know, probably even a fraction of what you've had, but I've had it. And it's it's horrific.
And it now it's it's I've been saying recently that actually now there's they say Jewish this and you the horrible things. You know, but it's the ones who say like, hi, Andrew, I'm a big fan. I noticed you were looking a bit tired in your recent episodes. I'm like, oh, that how dare you that's the worst. Yeah. The one I get that's kind of the equivalent of that is like, player, I really love you and everything you stand for. But can you stop with the surgeries?
And it's like, I've had one surgery in 2017. But annoying and noise just false. You'd rather someone just said you. Right. Right. Or if I have like, you know, a different color lip gloss on that makes me look bigger. They're like, oh, you get there. She goes, you know, looks at me again. I'm like, I haven't done that in two years.
So just superficial stuff. But but also the, you're right. Sort of the wishy washy. Not that everyone has to like you. Obviously no one's owed that. But, you know, you start to understand like when you start getting messages, they're like, I used to like, you but now I don't or like I used to not like you, but now I do.
You realize that when you're a public figure, especially when you're talking about things like you and I do, you're sort of an object. It's kind of the most extreme form of objectification. If you really think about it because you become a product, you become a thumbnail, you become a link, you become a click. And people, even when they love you aren't really seeing you as a person.
You know, so I've made friends with people who started off as a fan and really loved me and Bistro are, but there's a certain layer of like, oh, we can never really be true, true friends because you're coming into it with the context of, you know, a product. And that's okay because you can achieve a lot of good through, you know, turning a version of yourself into a product. But it is what it is. You know, no one really knows you with people who know you.
That's interesting. I spent some time with a singer who's famous in the UK called Robbie Williams. Did you heard of him? I think vaguely. Yeah. And so he, he goes by Rob, but it's like Robby's this character that, you know, because and he got as much as any of us more. He got so much abuse from so many people over the years. And that's the only way to deal with innocent.
Yeah. You were saying before that, you know, you don't want to cause just, you want to live your life and not cause harm to people. There are complexities that make it really difficult. So I don't actually know the answer to this. But what do you do with regards to it? It's boring. You know, it's the question you must get quite a lot, but bathrooms. Because if you suddenly walked into the men's bathroom, everyone would sort of turn their head if they don't know who you are.
And the women's bathroom, that's the whole issue. So what do you do? Right. So as a general rule, I think everyone should live by this. Trans or not. It's about causing, you know, mitigating the amount of harm you can do. And you can have a bigger conversation that every person and act as some sort of harm, you know, it's like if there are people to think that if you're not vegan that you're supporting whatever, you know, for me, I just try to use as many unisex bathrooms as I can.
But I'm also not going to stop myself from using women's bathroom if that's the only thing available to me. I'm definitely not going to, you know, go through any suffering over that because I know that I'm not going to cause any problems. So I don't put on the weight of other people causing harm and allow that to sort of, you know, control my life. It doesn't make any sense to go into a men's bathroom and I would definitely be causing more harm doing that.
But as far as other things like locker rooms, that's always going to be a hard no for me, you know, any space where, you know, I think the end time going into spaces where you're exposed in any way is is the height of disrespect to women. And I think that, you know, the idea of trans women and women's sports is extremely disrespectful. It's a logical anti-science.
And obviously you can be on the list of all the ways that I think it causes harm. But yeah, I just, I choose to live my life in a way that doesn't cause that. And I think that that's common sense, but apparently it's not so common. It's a hard one because I know there'll be a lot of people who watch this show. I mean, many will be nodding along and then some will be saying, you know, the bathroom issue is a real issue and it's causing harm and so and so.
But I just, I don't actually know what your way out of that could be. It's like you've made yourself into something. And as I'm a big believe in individual liberty. So I feel like of course you should be able to do that. And now I, I mean, it's good that you use unisex whenever you can. I don't know what I don't know what you can do. I mean, some people could say you should go in the men's now. And I, yeah, I don't know what the answer is.
I guess I just don't live my life based on other people want me to do very often. Like that actually is of very small importance to me. I guess it just is what it is. You know, I absolutely understand people's reservations about the topic in general on a collective scale, right?
Because I see, you know, videos and clips of trans people going into women's bathrooms for first of all, the sake of causing disruption, you know, because it's suddenly this political act and they're filming a little tick-tock in the bathroom. And they're like, oh, look at me in the end. And that's so foul. And that's so wrong to me. I think if you're using a bathroom for anything other than going to the bathroom, you're in the wrong.
And, yeah, I guess I just don't allow other people's bad behavior to take my life in any way. Or I don't assume the guilt of bad actors when I know I'm not one. Do you think it's different in any way if someone doesn't pass as well as you do? Yeah. Does that change whether they should be because that could cause.
And that's a hard truth, you know, but life's full of hard truths. You know, if you're someone who, when you go into the bathroom, you notice that there's an issue or people raise an issue or women are looking at you crazy. That's probably a sign you shouldn't be there. Whereas I've never had even the slightest inclination of that. I've never had the slightest of vocalization of that. Never any weird energy about it. So I mean, life's just about doing what makes sense, right?
And unfortunately, even if someone is trans and going through the motions and maybe even doing everything on paper that I've done, but maybe there's a different result for them where they're, you know, your height and your, you know, body makeup and trying to go, it's like the hard truth is that's not going to be the right space for you. It's just not. And I recognize that I'm an anomaly. I think I'm an anomaly in a lot of ways, like trans and on the right politically.
And, you know, like you said, and it's sort of like sounds like an ego thing for me to say it, but like you said, and make people say it's like passes, you know, that does make a difference. And that's why, you know, a return to medical standards for adults that used to exist is so important because that used to actually be the goal of it was to integrate into society, not stand against it, not live this life that's like an hypothetical towards it.
To where you have incidents of people in the bathroom causing problems or people being nervous in the bathrooms because, you know, despite the past sort of decade, the 2010s into the 2024 2020 is of this being an issue.
It's not as if trans people didn't exist before that, you know, and and there's a reason you never really heard about this until very recently because they started giving people car they want to use it ever bathroom as a political thing, rather than a you really understand there's a social contract to this, you know, there's no more social contract between transsexuals and the wider population.
Although I guess there is between transsexuals because there's still people that live the way I deal with just like being an actual transsexual who, you know, it's an individual thing and not like a political act. So that is the difference. Would you say you are a man? Yeah.
I think it's such a difficult one because as I said, I don't know where somebody like you should go to the bathroom and I imagine even you would not want the you wouldn't want a law that says men can go into the women's bathroom. Because there are always some men who want to look at women doing that, which is just a bit gross really because that's where it gets into the many reasons why people take on the label, what's the fetish side of it.
And that is going to be I believe there's a researcher I forget his name. I think his last name is blanchored. I don't know. Okay, but he actually lays this out pretty, pretty clearly of the different types of trans people and one of them is auto-gonophilic. You may have heard that word. And the other is it's called like HSTS, which is like homosexual transsexual.
And the issues that I've seen over the years coinciding with the politicization of this topic and the widening of the umbrella trans shouldn't used to be an umbrella. It was one specific thing is that people with fetishes are not calling themselves trans and these are straight men. It's not to say that every person who's attracted to women and advises the trans women is going to be an issue, but it's hard not to see that of the ones that are an issue, whether it makes the news or not.
It's like they are all males who are attracted to women. And so then you have to question why they would be in a certain space. Whereas historically homosexual transsexuals, which I would fall under that category, are people who, like you mentioned earlier, are people who earlier in life maybe struggle with the homosexuality issue or were naturally feminine in a way that, you know, in that life, in that individual person's life, it makes more sense to transition for them individually.
And so you can see how the motivations of those two types of people being in a bathroom or being in a space or even calling themselves trans in general are going to be completely different. You know, anytime you have a man who is attracted to women in a woman space, there's going to be a questioning of why. And there's not so many reasons why, you know.
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You wish it would be simpler to be able to differentiate and say this person is clearly a gay trans person and that one's someone interested. But what you're saying is that it's blown my mind a little bit because I've had so many discussions about, and I'm reluctant to ever say this is blown my mind because it's the first time I thought of it because whenever I say that everybody gets angry and says, what do you mean as the first time before you idiot? Well, then that's where ever.
Yeah, so they'll do it. But I didn't actually think about that. I think most people do. I might be wrong about this. I think most people haven't done. That's a really interesting differentiation that when I think of a trans person in the woman's toilets, I am thinking of an attractive woman.
Yeah, who's in there to take advantage. And I think I obviously can't speak for all women. I know they all feel very differently about this. But I know I have friends, women who don't mind gay guys being in these kinds of positions. And some women do mind that. I get that as well. And historically, before the politicization and the topic really going off the rails, women have been the main friends to transactual people.
Homosexual transactual people. And if you want to go pretty deep into culture and the cosmetic industry and beauty culture, a lot of stuff is derived from transactuals finding out certain hacks with makeup or with whatever. And then women take it and there's always like a camaraderie because there was an understanding that there was no danger in that. Because they were gay.
Right. So when it comes to this new wave of now, you know, cross-dressers and fetishists can call themselves trans and be seen as the same thing as a homosexual transactual. Right. That's going to cause issues because that feeling of safety is completely gone and for just reasons because women are trepidacious about men.
And this is something that, you know, I have a hard time understanding trans people who are not empathetic towards women because trans women specifically because transitioning is actually giving me a mountain of more empathy for women.
You know, when you actually start, when you live the first half of your life being perceived as a male and then you go when you transition and if you're actually successful with the transition, you're then perceived as the opposite in society just walking down the street or being wherever.
You start to see the hardships of the other gender and it goes both ways. If a woman have a friend named Buck Angel, is her very famous, yeah, well, if he's a very famous transactual female to male and he understands the hardships of men in a different way, you know, because he transitioned and actually passes and people see him that way.
And so when you start to actually experience some things, you know, a long list of things I could never obviously pregnancy periods, you know, and so many other things, but the more superficial things you start to understand. So you start to understand the threat that men can, you know, pose to women and why women feel uncomfortable in certain scenarios.
And so it becomes clear why, you know, a woman wouldn't want to be in a bathroom with a man who's attracted to women and thinks that because she's dressing like one that makes someone, you know, whereas it's hard for people to, especially with an untrained eye and maybe less discernment on this issue or knowledge on this issue to tell the difference between a trans person who's more of a classical transactual, I guess you could say, and a fetishist who's assuming it for different reasons.
And so I'm also empathetic to that, like people who are like, I don't know how to tell the difference. I'm like, it's kind of hard. You'd have to have sort of a, you know, I can tell instantly a trans star. Yeah, I can tell instantly looking at any trans person and feeling their vibe and listening to them speak if they're attracted to women or men.
Interesting. Is it that, and I'm just going to, I'm just talking nonsense here, but is it like the ones who are straight look like maybe they do look more like their moms, they sort of old fashioned big hair and stuff. Maybe, you know, the aesthetic they take on is maybe like a bit more maybe I don't, I don't really know much about the mom impersonation thing for say, but I know that.
It's also about energy and vibe, like if if someone puts you off, you know, I believe in a discernment about that, you know, I believe in believing trusting my gut. And I believe that women have, you know, a gut that's been trained over a lifetime of existing in the world as both a young girl and a woman, even more so. So it's, I know it sounds vague and when you're talking through pixels on a screen and audio, it's like you can't really communicate vibe and aura, but it's like.
I think that if I was, you know, the other kind of trans person, I think you would feel that in the room with me right now. So, and I think that women do feel that when they're around these people too. Also, you know, it's a much bigger issue these days with with men leaving their women to become women, leaving their wives and their families. Those people are always auto gun, I feel like they're always attracted to women. That's why they were with them in first.
I interviewed one before actually a couple of hours ago. Oh, Tracy Shannon. Oh, okay. Do you know who that is? No. Well, we had today. Yeah, today, like two hours ago, but we had a bit of a disagreement, I think, you know, not in a angry way. But because she's, I think she's been hurt by this and I understand that but she's just against like everything, you know, that kind of thing like. So she wouldn't be a fan of yours or a buck, for example. And so I gave a bit of push back and it's so hard.
Yeah. And even as I speak now, I'm aware there's like, because this will get, you know, maybe maybe hundreds of thousands, maybe more views of all different people. These are all because you forget these, those are just numbers because they're so high. You can't imagine that many people with their people. Yeah. And they have such different views and a lot of them hate you and I hate, you know, ask or whatever. And it's really hard. Do you think part of you?
Was there like almost a strategic decision as well? Because I mean, you're quite short for a man. I mean, how tall are you? And five, five. Yeah, I mean, that wasn't that was never going to be great. I mean, I have voice never dropped, which was weird. Really? Like never dropped. People are like, how did you get your what? It literally never dropped. So that was not because of the hormones and things. No, because I transitioned at 20.
Wow. Well, that's interesting. So that would have, that would have been a bit. Or that, I mean, maybe as a, as a gay guy, it would have been okay. It's perfectly okay to live your life as a feminine male, you know, and I don't think there would have been anything wrong if that would have been the life that I, you know, lived.
But yeah, and strategic might be the wrong word because that kind of implies that almost sounds partially nefarious. I know you weren't trying to make it sound like that. But less strategic and more like, I think things just unfolded in my life. And the decisions I made.
Because it led to a place where I was just happier and more successful. Like, you know, people don't really understand obviously that before I became a public figure, there was 20 years of life before that, you know, and I was actually not a very happy person at all. I was not a contributing member to society in many positive ways. Never went to jail, never did hard drugs. But, you know, I wasn't a tax paying, like, sort of community participating person.
I definitely wasn't getting people saying you helped me, you saved my life like I am now. So as far as my value to the world, it was almost, almost in the negatives because I was just partying and drinking whatever. And the reason why I know that transitioning can help a certain type of individual. And it's a very small number of people. But I believe I'm one of them is because my life immediately improved in like every, fathomable way.
I was instantly so much happier, so much more comfortable. I was able to be so much more social. I got a career really quickly. I became so much more responsible. And, you know, I can't pretend like if I wouldn't have transitioned, maybe I wouldn't have, you know, been on a positive trajectory.
But again, it comes down to, I think, the individual level. And I think we've strayed so far from the individual that like, and it's hard because when you talk about an issue like trans, I mean, you have to use collective as language. You have to talk about how there's auto-gonnophiles and there's homosexual transactuals and there's bad actors and good actors. And we're speaking in a collective.
But at the end of the day, you know, I think that sometimes it gets lost that there is the individual. You know, so when I think of people like Buck Angel, I'm like, what an amazing just individual. And he's a person with the ability to speak in a way that tells his individual story while, you know, telling other people to really focus on their individual story. And that's what I tried to do too.
You know, I'm never one of these trans influencers who tries to provide any sort of roadmap for people how to get to where I've gotten as far as transition or being trans because my path is uniquely my path, right? And I never want any, you know, anyone having a negative outcome to be on my shoulders and I'm a sensitive person, so I would feel that.
If even one person came to me and now they're going to actually say this in messages just to go into my skin, but if prior to this, any one person ever came to me and said, I transitioned and I regret it. And you were the one that, you know, through your content or through what you said, coax me to do that. How dare you? That would break my heart forever because that's horrible.
And unfortunately, there are a lot of other trans influencers who their entire point of their content is not to portray the issue as a whole, but to lead people down their path. And I know my path to my path and not anyone else's. Do you worry then about this spread of what might be a social contagion just loads of people? Oh, it is. Yeah, not they're not really trans or shouldn't be and, you know, puberty blockers, cross sex hormones.
I mean, they keep saying they're reversible, but I'm hearing that they're actually not. It's not. It's not. I do worry about that. And it is 100% a social contagion. I think it's Abigail Schreyer who first kind of coined that term and then it's just so accurate. It's just so on the nose because, you know, when I transitioned, I had never met another trans person.
I had never been on any Reddit group with trans people. I had never fallen down any algorithms. You know, I came the conclusion on my own individual level. Now you have kids transitioning in groups in school. And that's just so. Mine blowing as someone who has been through this and understands what it really is that when I see that, it's very clear to me that that's not what it is. It's a social contagion. It's something different.
I think another part of it that people don't talk about is it's a Caucasian problem. And that can be, you know, people get up tight when you hear that and you know, it's like, why are you bringing a race into it? I don't really see a lot of black families following victims of this, transitioning their kids. Why doesn't that is different cultural values, not saying better or worse, but different.
I don't see a lot of Hispanic people falling into this. I don't see a lot of little Mexican kids getting transitioned. I don't see a lot of little Asian kids getting transitioned, but I see a lot of white ones. In fact, almost exclusively. And I think that when you get into that, you have to unpack, okay, why? Well, white people are one of the only groups of people that are not really allowed to have an identity based on being white.
And that's another one of those hard truths that we brought up earlier. But you're not allowed to be white and proud. That's automatically associated with negativity. And where maybe you thought history that's gone off the rails in different ways. And you're not allowed to even participate in white culture. People say white culture doesn't exist. People make fun of the idea of white culture. What is white culture?
It's like, well, there's a lot of different kinds of white people and a lot of different cultures. But they strip that from white people. And I'm mixed myself. So I'm not, you know, I have a whole horse in the race here. What mix do you have? I am 70% European and 20% Indigenous American. Which is awesome because you know I'm such an American. I feel like I'm like an OG American.
But the reason why these terms non-binary you rarely see anyone that isn't assuming them is because white people are looking for identities. And maybe that's a bit out there for people. But as someone who's really studied this topic for so long and been involved in this discourse. Just start looking. Every time you see a trans this, non-binary this. And you know it's not sort of like a trans actual from whatever you'll see. It's like, oh, it's all white people.
It's just Kira Bell. Do you know Kira Bell? No. She sued the Tavistock Clinic in the UK. And she's sort of mixed race. And she tried to transition to become a man and then regretted it. It still has the low voice and all of that stuff. Yeah, there are certainly people in every race that do it. But I think that in America at least it's hard not to notice. Like, oh, group of young girls transitions together and it's all a bunch of little white girls.
It's hard not to notice non-binary is a predominantly white. Less religion maybe as well. Because you get more religion in black and Latino communities. That's very true. That's very true. On my Indigenous American side they're all deeply Catholic. And, you know, yeah, yeah, I think plus religion. Why does so many celebrities have trans kids? It's a status thing. It's a status thing.
And that's why when you get up to the upper echelon, do you actually do see like, rich, powerful black families having trans kids? Because then it becomes, you know, when you hit a certain level of money and power, I think that people assume everyone's kind of equal. And I wish it was like that on the lower levels too, but it is what it is. It's status. You know, you have Megan Foxx with multiple trans kids. I mean, yeah, the odds of that are just impossible.
There isn't even odds. It's impossible. Well, it's child abuse then, isn't it? It is. It is. And I think transitioning kids at all is child abuse. I'm very kind of black and white on that, no pun. Yeah. God. Yeah. It's a, it's a string. That's, that's her. And then there's like Charlie's Theron isn't there. Because I know all the British ones as a whole bunch that you wouldn't know I imagined, but they like with all the trans kids and status things.
Do you think it's a little bit like, 10 years ago, it was about adopting kids from Africa and Asia and stuff. And now that's the new thing. And even that, right? It's like if you're specifically adopting kids, little African babies and stuff, it's like you're clearly seeking out a trophy in some way, your virtue signaling in some way, like, look, I care about the African children. And now it's like, look, I care about trans kids, you know, all the protect trans kids' shirts, you see.
Every time I see that, it just kind of makes you sick. Yeah. Because it's like how inverted is society that like the word protect is meaning something completely different in your world. Yeah. The word trans is meaning something completely different in your world. And even on another level, even the word kid, because to me, child is not associated with can consent. It's the opposite.
So every word in that little phrase is just the opposite for people on the other end of the political spectrum, you know. LGBT people moving away from walkeness or some of them. Yes. In large numbers. And I'm probably a little more keen to that because I'm have a closer proximity to it. And obviously a huge portion of my audience is LGBT and on the right libertarian to even deeply conservative.
Like I said, I just got off my tour and the types of people that came, you know, every venue that we stopped at would have the feedback of like, I've never seen gay trans conservatives like this. Like they were shocked, never seen a more diverse audience, like a truly diverse audience. And so I'm proud of that. And I've been a big part in my own way. Again, not from ego, just objective reality. I've been a big part of helping people move away from the Democrat party.
I make no bone felt the fact that I am partisan. I am a Republican. You know, I don't really use the word conservative a lot because I think that sort of infers a very religious worldview. And I do have a spiritual worldview, not necessarily a religious one. But Republican for sure. And I think that the idea that just because you are gay or trans or black or Mexican or anything, Asian, a woman that your allegiance is to one political party is just so demeaning.
And it really, and I know it's different in the UK. But here, the Democrat party, it really reveals to you like, oh yeah, they really were the party of slavery. And they have, and they don't do it physically anymore, but they do it mentally for sure. It's a real complex picture over here. I've got one more question for you. But first, where can people find you? Just search up Blair White on any platform. I'm pretty sure I'm the only Blair White public figure. And my YouTube channel, youtube.com.
So I'm going to take the URL, Blair White, before me, actually. I want to Instagram at MS Blair White. And yeah. Yeah, I know that feeling with the name taking. It's really annoying. And then they want to charge you for it. Well, my guy was easterly, Dwight doesn't mind, actually. Who's a heretic you admire? Donald Trump. Why? I mean, I think just on a superficial level, who doesn't want to aspire to greatness and living in gold palace and become a president, you know.
I would love to become president someday. It's already called the White House, Blair White. Nice. And just his ability to stand in the fire of what he believes in and take literal bullets now and never falter and to be a person who sacrifices for what he perceives as a greater good, I really admire. I think that I, you know, am proud to say I've done that in my own ways in smaller levels, obviously much smaller scale. But I've definitely sacrificed a lot to keep fighting for what I believe in.
And so really anyone, you know, he's on top of my head. But really anyone who takes an L for what they believe in, I think is really powerful. It could be, it could be president one day. I think that's got, I mean, we're definitely moving towards individuals with popularity online in the UK. It's different because you'd have to join a party because I thought about this. I was telling my wife like, I should be the prime minister. But she obviously said shut up.
But you have to like start as like a local whatever. And then this and then that, where's the president of a country, whether it's the States or like Argentina or whatever, you just run, you know. Right. Yeah. I mean, I would love to run for office in the future. I will run for office in general. Wow. So yeah. And the other thing is that, I mean, the conservative parties of the equivalent of Republicans in the UK, they've had three female leaders, the Labour party that left one never, right?
And they've also had an Asian leader who's the prime minister, Rishi Sunak, the Conservatives, Labour only white men. So despite being the woke party, they've never had anything but white men. So I can see a Republican of the future, Republican party with a leader that is a transsexual. Well, it's about freedom versus tyranny at this point. It's about not to get too Alex Jonesy, although I will. It's about people who believe in human rights versus not.
It's about people who believe in the controlling of the human mind, body and spirit versus not. And yeah, sometimes unlikely people come in unlikely packages. And I'm already that on the Republican side, you know. So yeah. Thank you, Blair White, for being on the show. What a pleasure it was to be out in Austin, Texas, where I got to hang out with Blair White. I interviewed Blair at the same time, within the same few hours as a fidget fetacy. Another big name, American, out there.
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