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They don't feel the need to. Between 2007 and 2011, more than 30% of British Pakistanis and Bradford were married to her first cousin. I was insane. When you go to certain areas in this country, they're almost unrecognizable than what they were 20-30 years ago. They are destroying the fabric of this country. Is it racist to be worried about that? No, it's not. Racist to be worried about that. You just blown apart the whole of DEI, the whole of the
diversity training, all of that stuff. I think the easiest way now to prove that you're a good person is to talk about climate change, to talk about free Palestine and to have a BLM poster. The harder thing would be we're just down this rabbit hole now, just constantly talking about everything bad that Brad has done and refusing to acknowledge that Brad
has done some pretty amazing things white boys. The impact on their future right now is bleak, but too afraid now to have logical, common sense questions about this. What a day I'm having. You know those days when you wake up and you don't really, you go like, oh, we didn't really have that much work to do today. Maybe I'll even get a game of tennis in at some point in the afternoon or whatever it is. And then suddenly things
start happening. So an old friend message from me going, hey, there's this website that's pretending you're their CEO and has pictures of you and all of this stuff. And then I found that and then they're their Twitter account. They had a Twitter account with me on it. And it's all like photos of me and my family that they've gotten off of Instagram and all of these things. And I'm trying to report it. And then you try to report it. And on X,
you know, is it impersonating? Because it didn't have my name. So it was just my pictures and saying that was them. I suppose that is impersonating, isn't it? But maybe not exactly the way it's not pretending to be me or my identity. I don't know. So, but then you want to do that, that report to X or Twitter. And you've got to do this whole thing where you take the photo of your ID and you've got to do a photo of yourself, a selfie and it doesn't
work very well. And it's the whole thing. And then you're thinking, is this all some sort of trick? And it's not really twitch. I'm just being scammed into more stuff going on. And that's part of the morning. And then you suddenly realise that one of your best performing videos on YouTube has been demonetised because we neglected to take out a swear word that we somehow missed. And you know, that's potentially thousands in revenue when it performs that
well, if it's one of your best performing one, just because of a simple blip. So that's the kind of morning I've had going through it on YouTube then trying to remove once it's up. You can sort of do that. You can't take a word out, but you can cut from the video. So I just sort of cut half a second around each of there were three big, it was Cunt Peterfell and Peterfell. And you've got to cut those. So those little tiny things cost
your business thousands. And suddenly it's like bloody hell. And then, oh gosh, I've got to do the Carl Benjamin episode that's coming out. By the time you hear this, it will have already been out actually for a couple of weeks. But I've got to do these audio intro and outro. It's not gotter. I enjoy doing them as a way of speaking to you guys. Anyway, today's episode is Sunil Sharma, who I've seen on all sorts of stuff. He was on Twitter
a lot. And I think he's really interesting. He is the chief operating officer for conservative friends of the Commonwealth. And as such, and as a Hindu and second generation immigrant, he stresses the importance of integration and adopting the social laws of the country you live in. And he's tired of people denigrating the empire and the history of England as though it was somehow worse than other countries. And I think that's an important point to make
something. I think I even say in this interview, I remember saying, or at least recently, I did say this, that in Argentina, I know I always go on about that. But they often talk about the Spanish as some sort of invading force. Like, oh, those Spanish, they came in, they killed everyone here. Instead of considering that they are actually the descendants of the Spanish, they are in that sense the Spanish, just as we are in Britain, the British and
the Americans in many respects are the British as well when they came over. The things they did are there, I mean, it's their ancestors, isn't it? As opposed to what the, the amazing slate of hand, the psychological one that the Argentinians perform is to suggest that they were the people already in Argentina somehow, who were the ones who were killed. So that's not possible. Anyway, what we're talking about, that's staff do follow him on X as a description,
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and things like that. Andrew Gold Heretics.com. I'll see you guys at the end. Is it racist to suggest that immigrants to this country adopt its values? No, I don't think so at all. I think we have to start to move away from this obsession in terms of trying to conform to other racists, other groups of people. And I think we need to start to think about the importance of British values, what they mean to you, to me, because I think
otherwise very quickly we'll forget about what those are. And I think it will create a society now, well, it is creating a society now, where every day we talk right and down, every single day we've, the history that's shown of Britain is negative and it's not fair. And so I think it's a very slippery slope. And I think we need more races, religions,
of everyone that comes to this country to essentially adapt to British values. I think we've gone too long now in too far ahead in terms of trying to prioritize these people's and I think because of that we're falling behind in terms of what we think of what Britain is. Where did this idea come from that people don't need to? Because I know when we go abroad, there's always that criticism of, oh, you haven't even learned, you know, little England
abroad hasn't learned the languages, hasn't adopted the culture. So where has this come from this new idea, I suppose, of yeah, people should come over here and suggest that they try and learn a language or anything like that is racist. I think it's like being broom for maybe the last 10, 15 years in particular. I think one of the things is there's been a massive demographic change. It's changed a lot more than I think a lot of us are willing
to accept regardless of net migration figures, whatever statistics you look at. I think the bigger question is, net migration is always about the amount of people coming in versus out, but lots of people are leaving this country as well. Lots of Brits are going to wherever it's Australia, Spain. And that is not being accounted for the people who are coming in in terms of their different races, their different religions. So I think that's
definitely played a part. I think there's also been a part of maybe, I don't like to go down, but I think lack of purpose. I think there's a lot of people in this country who are in maybe positions of power, whether it be in governments, institutions that have lived very privileged life, a very an actual privilege, an amazing life in terms of being London
centric, access to amazing jobs, access to a great country and what they're doing is they almost have this, I don't like, disdain for the working class and I don't think they actually sit there for them their purposes, BLM for them their purposes, the pride flag or free Palestine, that's their purpose because I think we've moved away from things such as trying to be a good son, being a good daughter, father, husband, mother, I think these things have
just been completely destroyed. I think we've got rid of any importance or family. And I think there's also played a part in the destruction of religion moving away from the
jeweler Christian values that this country has been formed on. And I think that whole combination has led to a general, almost like a British identity crisis, which is absurd considering the amazing thing this country has done, considering we have incredible amount of history, more than most countries do, we should not be having that identity crisis, but I think that's where we're kind of at the moment.
What is your ethnicity in background? So I'm British born here, my parents were born in India, so British Indian and my parents came, my mum came, I think it was eight, nine years old and the seventies, my dad came in the eighties and so I mean they're Hindu,
so me too. And regardless of having the Indian heritage and being Hindu, I was always towards a child, you're British first, you know, you, you, you, way west and clothing, this is your culture, this is your, you know, English is your language, this is your country,
you have to get educated, you have to get a job, you have to provide. And that was very much ingrained in me, of course, don't forget about your heritage and where you come from and all that stuff, but you are British first and that's your, you have a duty to do something in this country. And so I think that was quite instilled in me from a very young age and I think unfortunately I'm not sure the, the large volumes that are coming
into this country now that is they have the same principles. I don't think I was unique in that example. I think it was plenty of the Indian community and some of the Pakistani
community as well. I think a lot of them who were coming in during the seventies and eighties would have been teaching their children this, but I think naturally when there's such a big demographic change, there's no almost need to adapt, you know, when you go to certain areas in this country, I don't think they're almost unrecognizable than what
they were 20, 30 years ago. And I think that's actually not what, even if you speak to immigrants or product of immigrants who've been here for a long time, they are some of the ones who are most angry about this because their reason they came to this country was to adopt, take it almost, you know, take advantage of these amazing British values, really utilize
it. But now it's almost frustrating because you've seen those things, the reason why people came to this country all that time ago, they're now looking at this thinking, this isn't, you know, would they have made that same decision? Now would my parents, I don't know, I'm not sure, would many of people of my sort of generation are not sure? That's a really interesting point, the incentive, I suppose, of the need to become more part
of a culture. I mean, I can imagine if I went to live in Nicaragua, I don't know, maybe I'd want to get involved in the local culture, but if the X-Bat community was that large with new immigrants who hadn't had other generations there and everybody was new at the same time, they're all English, why would I bother becoming a Nicaraguan or learning
what it is to be Nicaraguan? Definitely, and I think that's a big problem in the UK and I think what's sad and disappointing is I think we're seeing a lot of white brits almost pandering to this and almost again, it seems to give them the sense of patrol,
they're a good person by pandering to this, when in actual fact they are destroying the fabric of this country and it's getting to a point now where I think a lot of people are lost in terms of forget about politics, just as general people saying stuff like two genders or saying stuff like mum's having two parents is a good thing. These controversial things are saying now and I think a lot of people are just frustrated and have no idea
in terms of what this country is and it's not purely a white brits problem. I always look at this place across this country which never got in the news, even going as far as the Brexit referendum, you've got a place not too far from where I live, Slau, which is a town where you have more non-white brits than white brits and they voted to leave the European
Union. A big part of that is because you have an immigrant population or a product of immigrants population who are just so frustrated or just so lost in terms of what Brits is now becoming. It's not just as much as the media like so, it's the far right racists are saying this, you actually have large portions of the immigrant population in this country or products of immigration who are just so frustrated because I think they understand
also what life could have been like and they know the differences may be a bit better than the people who haven't had that experience so they almost feel we've been all frustrated and I don't think that's a specifically a more conserved person thinking I think it's right or left, you'll see plenty of people on either side to say some sort of things.
That's interesting. You're from a Hindu, Indian background heritage, there's obviously a lot of tension over there, there always has historically between Hindus and Muslims. Over here I'm always hearing it's the far right white people and Muslims. Do those tensions between Hindus and Muslims translate over to the UK, I don't hear much about that, apart from I think less to there was some sort of thing going on.
Yeah, less to it happened. Not really, I think the big difference is again, the Muslim community, I can't be Muslim, it's hard to make a judgment sign it but especially in the Hindu community, in the culture is I can speak this on my circle, my family or people that I know and it's always been your religion is what you do at home as opposed
to outside. I don't identify, I don't want you to see me as a Hindu or if you do great, it doesn't really matter, there's no kind of, it's not an identity, I wouldn't say I'm Hindu but I wouldn't, it's not part, it's not the decisive thing of my identity and
it's the same for my parents, it's the same thing for them, their Hindus at home, my mum's a bit more, she will pray at home but again, she leaves that house, she's British and she's trying to provide in the society and same for my dad and it's a similar sort
of thing. So there isn't that, I think we're quite adaptive, group of people in general, we're quite quiet and we typically I'm stereotyping but we generally just kind of adapt wherever we kind of go and I think the other side of it is that kind of, there's a massive focus
on education and getting a job in all that sort of an art community and so that is a massive push that we get bigger than say your religious values, my parents would be much more happy seeing me, you know, get a very good job, contribute, pay taxes, be involved
in improving the community than me being a devout Hindu, that would not really be a massive thing for them and I think also the religion is, although you do technically have to believe that they're going to be in, the general principle is that a lot of people say there's more of a way of a life than a religion, yoga, meditation and all that sort of stuff. So I think that makes it a bit easier to adapt.
I'm just saying, where is Islam, it seems to be more external and not just inside the house often, at least the Islamism that we're seeing in the UK?
I think because of the mass demographic change, I don't, I maybe necessarily think that was a case when we 20 years ago, I think now that because there's been such a radical shift in our demographics that I think they are in a position to do that, if you like, there are large areas where they exist, there are areas like Bradford and places like this.
So why do they need to address to British culture? They don't feel the need to and so I think that's where governments were, it's been Labour and Tories have not done a good enough job, is actually looking at the fact that there's obsession of multiculturalism, there is a seriously negative impact to that. And I think we've just not as a country really thought about those implications and I think that's where we kind of are now.
It's interesting that because I think sometimes there are aspects of Hasidic Judaism, which I think are concerning, but there are about 20,000 of them in the country. If there were 5 million, maybe we'd have to think about what's going on and have to go, okay, well you can't do some of the things, some of the things they do in that community I don't
agree with. I'm just thinking now they're all shout out, I get a shout out by them whenever I say that, but it is true, they have serious issues as any close community can do at its most extreme. What the hell do we do now with these issues around, I suppose, growing Islam? And is it racist to be worried about that? No, it's not racist to be worried about that. I think, you know, lots of people will talk about, you'll hear, similar to the Islamic
community who talk about this as well. It's not just an issue for all of us, everyone in this country. I think the focus may be less on Islam and it needs to be more back on Britain. I think that's a bigger issue. There is a real serious lack of British pride
in this country. You've got in almost every aspect, now it's their own personal choice to do this or not, but you know, our England national team football manager doesn't have to say that it's not just a national anthem, it's obviously his choice, we shouldn't demand it, but that just feels like an example of just the lack of pride, you know, just singing the British anthem, maybe it's now perceived as political or some sort of charge.
I think that has to change. And I think the sooner institutions acknowledge all the great things Britain did and all the great things Britain can do, I think that'll be a step in the right direction. I think we're just down this rabbit hole now, just constantly talking about everything bad that Britain has done and refusing to acknowledge that Britain has some pretty amazing things, just like any country, just like any group of
people that I've had the history that we've had. And I think, yeah, I want to see much bigger emphasis on the amazing things Britain has done. Yeah, it's my wife is Argentinian and she loves England, absolutely loves it loves living here. And she will come home often report conversations with friends of hers who are English and she cannot believe how negative they are. And they often say, oh gosh, why would you come here for you? You're a lot from lovely, it could be, it could be anywhere
in the world. You've had, you must have everyone listening has had this conversation before. You're from where? Belarus, Honduras or any country, why would you leave to come here? And it's like, what do you mean this is then? And it's also, they don't think they realize this, but it's offensive to the person who made the decision to come here because that
person really does take pride in the new country. What are some of the things about Britain that people should be including our history that we should be taking pride in? Okay, I think some of the stuff that the empire did in terms of abolishing slavery is, you know, a few things you could argue better than that. The impact, what were we the ones then to do to do with abolish slavery? The British Empire, you know, had the biggest impact
in terms of abolishing slavery. We did that across the continent. The, I mean, the stuff we did even in India, we had Indians had the, so we called widow burning, where essentially if the husband dies before the wife, the wife gets thrown into the fire when they're getting what? Cremated, yep, it's, yeah, and this one was this was early 1900s. And
where were they doing that in India? So that was something Britain University got rid of now, there's people who were saying, well, there was some areas of India that did it earlier, whatever Britain came in the middle of a rule that this is banned, you cannot do this. They found a live, live body into the fire too. So, and you know, you look at some of the stuff that, and this is the thing that lots of people will never want to
acknowledge and talk about in Britain. If you actually want to, I hate talking about the empire because it always becomes a debate about how awful it is and how, and obviously we know by the, in 2024 standards, an empire should not exist. It's not the right way of living. However, you got to compare it in a context of other empires and in other empires, it's the most progressive, if you like. And I think we did some, you know, brinders, some
incredible things there. Even stuff like, you know, Winston Churchill, like the, the, the statue that we've got in Westman style is joking, it's not like big enough like this, the impact that that man had, even though, you know, I'm going to say it is knowing that he said some pretty not so nice things about Indians. They've been garlic famine, which I barely acknowledged or did nothing about. There's lots of, you know, lots of things
he said that will, you know, completely what we'd say now is socially unacceptable. But there is no greater man, I think for a lot of, we're just the Indian community, Asian community, empire community, products of the empire, if you like, that over massive debt to him. What would life been like? Had he not existed? Well, the truth is I for sure wouldn't be here. That's a fact. I would have I would have been ruled by the Japanese
or we would, you know, India would have been ruled by Japan or Nazi Germany. That would have been the consequence. Japan would read the, eagerly looking at India to take over. Wow. And you can almost guarantee that the context of life I have right now, there's no chance that would exist. So as whilst I 100% agree, not every single thing Churchill said in 2020, all standards was perfect and right. His impact is astronomical. And I think now,
I think few people again are up prepared to say that. I think even historians who know this won't say this because there's that kind of fear of every single one of his texts that he said, you know, things that are not acceptable now will get, will get thrown
in. So it's, it's really bizarre. And I think even the point, you know, your, your wife makes and it's similar to what, you know, my parents would say to me or even what I sometimes think when I, you know, my Brits say this to me and it's just like, well, you just have
no concept of what the rest of the world just looks like, you know, and I'm talking history but even today, and as much as I'm not a remote fan of this current government, just current Labour government, still this is one of the few countries in the world where you can go from being poor to relatively poor, working class to middle class to maybe even rich in one generation in one lifespan. And that is in context of the world, incredible
to have that social mobility in a country is amazing. And I think we really, really don't give that enough credit. And that goes to one of the best things with British culture is the focus on merit. And I think this is why you'll, you'll, you'll see lots of people, not just why people get very annoyed at the quota system and stuff like that because it completely goes against what has made Britain so amazing in the last 30, 40, 50, 60,
60, 70 years is that focus on merit. And to be able to do that in this country, regardless of your race, your religion is incredible. You cannot say the same about lots of countries, the vast majority of countries in the world that you can go up just purely based on merit in such a short space of time. It's not easy now. I know it's not. And this government will make it hard, has going to make it harder. Another previous government didn't, you
know, it's probably been more difficult in the last 10, 15 years for sure. But the overall concept, the overall still the ability to like I say, go from being poor to middle class, upper class, rich, whatever in one span is something we should be proud of. This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. Cybersecurity Awareness Month is still going strong. And LifeLock is here with a message about fishing. The scams cyber criminals use to trick
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My dad was in politics right from when I was 12, 13 years old. He was a local counsellor. And at the time he was one of the very few, maybe only immigrant conservative counsellors. So at that time, I would say the Indian community is largely conservative. I said Pakistan
communities as well. If you actually look at their social values and all about sort of stuff, but pointed in that era, it wasn't very social, we were acceptable thing as an Indian, an Indian exit to be a conservative, let alone as a counsellor and shouting about it. So I was very involved as a child and then as time went on, I was always just around
in that circuit. I loved the debates that they would have back in those days. I think it was a lot more, you know, another great thing of British culture, the British pub culture where you can sit there in debate and they'll just, you know, absolutely tear lumps out each other. But it was beautiful, it was amazing, you know, argue about climate change, you
know, and it was just anything you can think of, they would have these discussions. And it's one of the not so nice things nowadays is I don't think those discussions can necessarily be had. But I loved the debate culture. I loved the sense of community feel that I had. I felt very fortunate as well, I mean, to be born here and have this opportunity. So I always kind of had that kind of maybe patriotism. And so it was just a very natural kind of
action to be honest, I don't think I was really one thing in particular. I think I was in that environment and I just really, really enjoyed it. I did really start to like read about philosophy and all that sort of stuff. And like, you know, I got really interested in just general philosophical things like how did democracy start and economics and and all this
sort of stuff. And to me, just, you know, all the reading that I do, the opportunities of his other countries that I have every single time I just would come here and just feel again, you're just so lucky to be born here to have this opportunity. I've got to make
the most of it kind of feeling constantly. How does it make you feel them when you see, I mean, this this morning, there were videos of Greta Thunberg doing her usual thing, which is chanting aggressively about climate change, but incorporating the Hamas, why not Hamas, was it was this sort of Palestine cause and all of those things and somehow blending all of those things together. It's a very anti-Western thing. Is that way that's all coming
from? Yeah, I think also I think it's just that kind of virtual signalling kind of, which is just literally completely taken over a culture. Listen, I think the easiest way now to prove that you're a good person is to talk about climate change and to talk about free Palestine and to have a BLM poster and a pride poster. I think if you do those things, you're a good person automatically. You don't have to do anything else. You don't actually have to
work hard. You don't have to sacrifice. You don't have to think about your family, your future or anything, as long as you do those things straight where you get a tick and I think that's what she represents, which is that kind of, what's the quickest and easiest way to prove that I'm a virtuous good human being? The harder thing would be to actually have deep conversations with people who are different, have a different opinion to her, to sit down
and study opposing views, to probably get at your full-time job. I'm not sure if she does have a full-time job, to actually get educated, to then one day try and provide and work with a partner, whatever the gender, then one day to have children, then one day to aspire. I think that's a really hard thing to do and that's what our parent generation
did and what other people did, whereas now you don't have to do any of that. You just have to do what she does and you're a good person and you've got a tick from society. I think that's what she does if I think if you actually deeply discuss to her climate changes such a tough subject in terms of our planet is billions of years old to even have really become a specialist expert in climate change. She's what, 20, I think, 21,
whatever. There is no way she can have the knowledge on climate change or on the changing of temperatures to a significantly high level, as well as have a significantly high level of knowledge on what's going on in Israel in Palestine. There is physically not possible. So for her, again, I just, it's sad that people take this seriously, people like her, but again, I think it's just, again, I said tick right, she does that and then you post about
her and you also get that tick and you also feel good. The reality is you're doing nothing. The harder thing, like I said earlier, is to do those things I mentioned, which is to trying to aspire to actually do good stuff rather than just trying to look good. Does that make your bed thing, Jordan Peterson? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. She's, I don't think made her, I mean, she was too young to even make her own bed when she started doing this.
I remember reading as well that her parents said she was very difficult because she was quite severely autistic and it made it difficult for her to be happy and doing all this protesting made her happy. And I started to feel like it had similarities in how a lot of the gender ideology has gone as well with regards to, I don't know, it seems to make them happy, let them do it instead of actually parenting and saying, what are the underlying issues here? How can we help
you and help you to be better and stronger? Yeah. Just like, yeah, do your thing. You go out there and tell presidents how to run their countries as a 14 year old girl. I just, it beg us, believe really. Do you think going back to the issue of this? I mean, it is, it is an issue, I think. I met Tommy Robinson the other week and I thought about him and, you know, he's like the face of racism now in this country and has been for decades. And I couldn't find a single racist thing
he'd said, but he does have an issue with Islam. But I couldn't find a single thing he'd said against Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jews and those are religions anyway, not racism. Yeah, certainly hadn't heard him say anything about racism. Are we being sort of lulled into what happened in Iran and Lebanon with regards to an Islam-o-Left alliance which then killed the left?
Yeah. I think so. I think Tommy Robinson is a really interesting one. You know, I think there are too many people in this country that have ignored the question of the impact of Islam and democracy and however it can actually have a relationship and what that relationship looks like. I think it's crazy because the war in Iraq, Afghanistan and both essentially failures, we should have learned something from that and just said, you know, we tried to implement
democratic measures in both those countries. It didn't work and I think we have to start to ask a question of, is there actual compatibility that I know Douglas Murray talks about it so much? I think he's made some amazing points about it, is that that simple compatibility question. I just think when you have such a large demographic of people in a community, in a country, I think the willingness or the need to adapt is just not there. So why would they? And I think that's
where our governance has to be stronger. You know, there's so much we can do about criticizing Islam and criticizing the culture and the religion, saying it's different from the West, it's different from the Judeo-Christian values which we're based on. I think we have to be a bit more practical and I think there's not really many practical measures. All the lessons have been the Iraq of
Afghanistan, which is not that long ago, it's happened. The influx of huge numbers of refugees, Islamic refugees in Sweden and Scandinavia and Europe has been there and we've just ignored it. I think we're too afraid now to have logical common sense questions about this. And instead, the moment we had this conversation, we're both going to be branded into the Islamophobic community.
And it's not fair and it's not the right thing. And I know there's plenty of people, you know, again, going back from prior to 10, 15 years ago, from the Islamic community, from the Pakistani community, from the Iranian Bank of the Shukrimjit, that this wasn't as much of a problem. It's now becoming a lot worse because of the demographic change. And I think it's something that the impact of migration, the impact of immigration, it's no longer a right
to a left issue. I think it's, you know, I had Tony Blair, you know, somebody opened our borders up into it, onto an crazy, absurd level and him talking about the dangerous impact of the changing of our demographic. So it's not necessarily a right or left problem anymore. And I think I would rather see us go back to discussing what Britain means to people. And I think there's plenty of people who can give a really good representation of it,
plenty. And I think a bigger issue is the working class community in particular in this country, who are, I think, I have, who have just been, I don't know, just kicked to the side, I know I just not cared about. I don't think very few people in this country, especially in the positions of power, have absolutely any idea or interest in terms of what those values are. I think it's become such big city centric in the West, not just us, London, New York, Sydney,
wherever. Like these are not representations of the rest of the respective countries. And what problems are Londoner faces? What are problems? Maybe I face you face is not necessarily the same as somebody down south or up north. I think we should be open to the fact that people want different things. And when you have such a large population of people who are frustrated, I know of course label on the last election, but 80% of people in this country didn't vote for them.
I think that should be a bit of a red flag into our heads thinking, what do those 80% of people want? I just think people don't want to ask that question. Well, they've mostly been branded far right now. And again, I walked down a street with Tommy Robinson just to see what it was like. And it was a particularly working class holiday, Miss Alts, kind of down abroad. And they adore him. He's like they're got because they can't, I mean voting doesn't make a difference to them.
They can't get, you know, their points across everybody calls them far rights and they're all thugs and all of that. So the only person speaking up to them from their community and from the same working class as them is him. So what are some of the, I saw you posted some examples of places where some of the issues around Islam are with regards to, I mean, unemployment, incess, things that are not British values that are going to become more prominent here.
So Bradford is one of the most worrying places in terms of seeing a lot of cousin to cousin marriages, which naturally, when they have children, we know if it's especially from a first cousin, the transfer of burving defect is more than double. So this poor child has a, comes with a disadvantage from the moment that born. What are the sort of percentages around that? So I think between 2007 and 11, more than 30% of British Pakistan is in
Bradford were married to a first cousin. That's insane. Which is an astronomical, and this is what's interesting because you know, I did this post not that long ago and naturally you're going to get the usual stuff that you get on social media. But a lot of the information I got from from the BBC. So the BBC, maybe the obviously we'd never do this now, but 10, 15 years because they did a documentary on the impact of cousin marriages. And widespread did like really well,
really eye-opening. It was just, you know, trying to educate the communities to stop it. And it was some really good British Pakistan who spoke, you know, basically against cousin marriages, and the documentary who speak really well and saying, you know, this is educated ones who are saying this is wrong, this is immoral, this is awful on a child, forget about customs and traditions that you may think are normal. We know for a fact, scientifically amazing. There is no chance,
no no chance. That BBC would do a documentary like that now. There was no chance. They would never have the courage. They did it before. They were not doing it again. They were not doing it now. And that's the really sad unfortunate thing is because the people who are actually going to get the pain of this, are these children who have had, no, it's not their decision that this is happening, right? And so I think that's awful. It's about a precedent for the rest of the country.
Forget it even talking about that. I think it's just, that's the serious problem. Strangling. Strangling on the health services presumably as well. Well, it's strangely and it's just, well, that was part of the documentary. There's even one on Netflix. I don't know the name. There's one on Netflix that shows us as well. In terms of it's a really old, again, documentary done on this in Britain, like 10, 15 years ago on the impact of
large, it has a marriage and the impact it has on children. It's really sad because you get to see the children and the consequence of that. And it's just not fair. And so that's an example of it. But what's again, fascinating is, you know, we won't necessarily show much attention to that. We won't talk, which is, you know, happening in our country now, but we'll, we'll concede to talk about white privilege, white guilt. 24, 7, even though white boys in this country are
some of the worst performing people academically both on literally a new sea rates. And it, I cannot emphasize like how awful that is for everyone, you know, whether you're my skin color or a different skin color like white or brown because the majority of the labor force in this country is white men, right? Well, naturally women, women in general and tend to children and naturally they spend time out of the workforce, sometimes they never
return, sometimes for three, four years out, sometimes for one year, whatever. The majority of the workforce, if you're going by a gender and going by a race, it's white men. And so if the white boys are going to turn into men one day, they're getting less educated and they're getting less productive and they're on a downward spiral. That's going to impact our economy, that's going to impact the job I can get, the job that a black person can get, the consequences of Britain in
general. So, but that will never really be spoken about, you know, that will never be addressed, it will never be really made a priority. I mean, and so if they really wanted to care about race or whatever, then that would be the target, surely. Obviously, there shouldn't be no focus on race, you should just be going to school to get educated and you know, get smarter. But I can't help but think there is some of that, some of the decline in white boys has come from this white guilt,
just white privilege. I think it's making, in particular, the boys feel very low on confidence. I think it's probably making them suppressed. And these are all terrible things for boys to do. And I do, and piece down in the semi other people will talk about as much better than me. But, you know, I think we slowly, slowly destroy masculinity in this country. I think anything remotely masculine is considered toxic. We celebrate femininity in men and we celebrate
masculinity in women. And I think on a broader scale, on a social scale, that is terrible. And I think those impact, you can really see in particular with white boys. I think the impact on their future right now is bleak. And I think we should be really talking about that. And I think that should be a much bigger emphasis. Because they're told, I suppose, that they're the only ones
who are not special. And there are many schools, I mean, somebody at a Q&A last night was put their hand up and said, there a teacher, he's a teacher, and 95% of the pupils at his school are from minority backgrounds. It's just 5% are white. And they are performing much worse than everybody else. And they're constantly told those kids that they're not special. And the other 95% are special. And as you say with regards to masculinity, I suppose they're told,
that, you know, don't do this, don't do that because you're being toxic. You're, you know, don't be yourself. What a stunted place to be in. You can't, how can you grow? How can you, how can you breathe when you're brought up that way? You know, yeah. The House of Commons, a crime in which MP was it, but they brought up a child watching Andrew Tate or something.
And that became the focus of the conversation about Andrew Tate. And I just remember thinking he has following a millions of millions of people, why not address why are young boys attracted to this man? Why, why, why are they? And the reason is they have absent fathers. So a lot of these, we're seeing a growing rate in the white British community of single parent households. And look, I'm not advocating for people to stay in abusive relationships. But there is no denying the
matter if you're in England, Brazil, Argentina, India, America. If you have two parents, the chance of your success is substantially more. Now that doesn't mean you have to get married, doesn't mean you have to live in the same place. It just means as a father and mother, you should be present in their lives. And the stats on us are absolutely crazy. You know, it's like four times more likely to go to jail if you're in a single parent household all the way to five times more
likely to be in poverty if you come from a single parent. Now, obviously there's some really amazing exceptions of this who people who beat this. But on a large scale, it's important that people have two parents. In particular, with boys, it's a massive issue and it is a men issue in terms of men abandoning children. It is largely the in terms of gender's men not being present. So I think a lot of boys are being suppressed. A lot of boys don't have
any sort of real, a real role model, a real male role model in their life. So they need to find it from somewhere and they're going to find it from the internet or they will maybe get lost in this whole new trans ideology constant being rammed down their fruits. They're going to find, I think whatever they're going to find in this thing is not going to be good in the long term.
And that's where they should be taught from an earlier just take responsibility that you are going to at some point in your life going to be the only person any money in the relationship. And so there's lots of these sort of simple little things that I think people were not saying up because again you'll go down the far right ideology or you're Andrew Tate or even now Jordan
piece and they're putting in a similar sort of boat and I think it's really unfair. I think it's really harsh and I have a lot of like sympathy for boys in particular white boys right now because I just don't think that there is any any sort of support for them. And it's a toxic place to go
into. I think the whole the whole Tate area. Whereas I say with Tommy Robinson, look if you think he's racist go and find something racist he said and I think it's a struggle and Jordan piece and Jacob Rowling you think she's transphobic find me something she has said that is hateful about and I think with Andrew Tate in my experience I mean I have I have heard him say things that I think are pretty not not right. He put quite abuse and not not where I want my son to end up
going to. Whereas Jordan piece and I think might might be quite useful for that. That's obviously you know, Peterson's the I think I ideal one that's not right. But you know I again you know I just think when that for me that example of the Andrew Tate situation in the UK government for me just demonstrated how out of touch people really are that they're more obsessed with this man who's
built a massive following saying you know questionable things for sure but we're going to really focus on that and ban him or whatever from schools or ban him from talking and from somebody playing a clip or something rather than looking at the fact why is this child you know that'd be my first question. Why are you finding your role your your male role model in this but what are you seeing
is like what's your impact at home? Do you actually have any other male figures in your life any good and I think if you ask a lot of those kids who gravitate towards Andrew Tate I can almost guarantee a lot of them don't have actually any male role models in their life or any good ones anyway and I think that's why his following is grown. People don't want to look at that instead they would rather just make the focus on Tate and instead of much broader much serious issue. And a more
interesting viewpoint like okay why are these boys going that way? What is pushing them to the arms of Ant the the tates of this world? Again you know the hypocrisy is insane because the often if we talk of the woke I know it's simplification but they will go out of their way to find excuses for the worst of crimes the most I mean even the Hugh Edwards thing going on oh well he had bad
mental health and all of that you know that doesn't make you start messaging I've been upset at times I know that's not the same as bad mental but I know a lot of people have a bad mental health who have not started messaging asking for pictures of kids and things like that but always bad
mental health and it was a stressful job and all that he was bullying people at work so I and a you know George Floyd always oh but yeah maybe he did some bad things in his life and but what what about before and how he's being treated they're willing to look at the the reasons but not
when it comes to white boys for example because it's not fashionable right now also something you said before was interesting about that documentary the BBC would no longer show around the same time there was the stacey duly documentary about Luton she went back to Luton and she was walking side
by side with Muslims and it was very much portrayed as Muslims are taking over my town and it showed a lot of them in the full sort of hijabs and all of these things and shouting at her shame shame you're you're not dressed right you need to you know shame on you and all this stuff and since then the population the Islamic population of Luton I think must have doubled or is even more than it was and it was already so high but the BBC wouldn't touch it so I'm wondering now is it that they've
we've crossed a point it was like that was the BBC and the mainstream maybe warning us about my what cut what what my what might come and now we're at a point where it's it's too late you can't put that out now because because the extreme Islamic population is now so high here there's no way
of doing it without causing great defense now I'm not sure if it's too far I just think people are not maybe willing to take on the repercussions if they do it and I think that's one part and I also think the other change is I think there's a lot of people within these senior positions whether it
be the BBC or in institutions that are just so unaware of what that impact of what's happening in Luton right now in Bradford because all they see is London that's that's all they see and they don't have to see Luton they don't have to see Bradford they don't have to see in these things
it doesn't really appeal to them and it makes no interest in their social society and their group it's not something that anyone really will talk about they're not impacted by it so why would they want to run that story and especially when it's going to be an unfashionable story so why run it
I would argue I don't think it would be an unfashionable story I think the majority of people in this country would agree and would want to be interested to see what's going on there but I think why would they be in their social circles and what they value their principles their morals which is
basically I'm why I'm privileged I should feel guilty I should try and give leg up to other communities it's my job to try and do give a helping hand to everyone else and what's interesting the two communities that are a massive problem for the left and not just the left but the sort of
these people in these high positions is the Hindu community and the Jewish community so I've done a lot of work with with both in terms of the similarities they both have which is a lot of them are generally quite adaptive a lot of them generally get on with their day stay life it's not
you know although they pray at home or pray in their place of worship they adapt on a very good scale in this country and there's some of the most successful people in this country so they on average do better in almost every single example you can think of in this country whether it's
education or it's jobs whether it's at least likely to go to jail you can almost find any parameter Hindus and Jews will outperform Christians or white Christians in this country so for the left that is a massive problem because for them it's that kind of gets rid of the idea of critical
race theory it gets rid of the idea that this country's institution races of systemically racist it gets rid of the concept that they need a helping hand so that's why in my opinion what you'll see with the coverage of both Israel and India where there are you know the large portion of Jews
and Hindus in their respective countries the media coverage of those countries will always be largely negative because they know these are two groups of people that you cannot tie down to this they are racially being punished and I think that's why for them these two races caught
up problem in terms of their their metrics whereas the other communities don't necessarily have that issue if so they can play the sympathy card they can play we're here to save you we're here to help you it's kind of moral virtue thing that we talked about earlier and I think that's another part
of it but I think again a massive focus talking you know when BLM there's there's rights were happening in this country you know something that happened in America everyone wants to talk about the impact of the problem with the white people and the way they treat black people in this
country no one to look at some of the deeper lying issues they didn't want to look at the fact that black carabin children's country are the highest group of people that are raised by a single parent between over 60% and they suffer because of this the community with one of the lowest
single parent households is the British Indian community between 6-8% and on again on the scale wise they perform very well they outperform British white people it's more than just race it's more than just even the parent you know I think that plays a massive role but I think there's some
really if you actually really dig a bit deeper and we really look at culturally what goes on this such stark differences and I think BLM should have highlighted that and it should have highlighted that fact that black African community does a lot better than a black carabin community
there's a reason why black Nigerians are doing very well in this country so black Ghanaians that there are so much there's so much more to it but again it's not the fashionable thing to talk about it's not socially trendy it's a lot easier to post a black box on Instagram Twitter and to have
a black a month history month or whatever rather than sitting there saying you know what why don't we look at why certain communities in the black community do better and some are doing worse why is it other ethnic groups are doing what can we learn from this there's so much more instead
the easy cop out is doing what Greta Thurmbog does which is posting them more socially trendy things it's I think what you've just said you've just blown apart the whole of DEI the whole of the diverse detraining all of that stuff just blown apart by what you've just said I mean the fact
that black Africans do so much better than black carabins just it's screaming at us that it is not race that is the issue here is not race it is it is culture it is parents it is community and all of those things we should be instilling those values and what how obvious is this they're
completely different right and like I obviously I'm generalizing but if you look at the black African community they are very family focused you know if you know any Nigerians kindness they are so family focused there is a sense of pride there is a sense of emphasis on education
and there's no surprise that they perform better right that they're not isolated they don't have a collective community they generally are probably more religious than the Caribbean all the Caribbean can be fairly religious as well but they have very you know very British way of thinking
and acting hence why they do well better they also go back to the two parent household strats they're a considerably lower they're not at 60 more than 60% and it is largely men and it is largely men abandoning children and that is a bit of a cultural completely cultural thing
because in the African community you know that that is you know it seems a horrible thing to do the man is almost kicked out of the community if he does that if he abandons a truck you know it's a very different kind of community and I think the what I hear about the diversity inclusion stuff is
you ask a lot of people a lot of different colored people and they would say it is degrading the concept that me as a brown person or a black person get a job based on skin color and not a merit to me the first thing I would be thinking saying I was I'm not good enough on my own merit I don't
want a job because I'm Indian or I'm brown or I'm I'm certain most of black community would say the same thing but instead it's this kind of you know you're a victim we need to show you're a victim and we want to help you but what the Jewish community and the Indian community demonstrates
we don't want that help we don't need it we just want to create a nice good structure that is accomplishing for everyone and that is based on merit and I think that's a serious serious problem for left because it kind of just destroys their whole low their ideology at the moment
that's true although I think some of them especially when they get into the anti-Semitic area far left it almost feeds into their ideology doesn't but it was interesting I had because another demographic we're not spoken of because it's not it's not that typical in Britain is the East Asian
community which you get in America I think a lot more I don't know I had Rob Anderson on recently and he's adopted American but one of his parents was I can't remember where from exactly in East Asia but I can't I don't want to get it wrong but I'm going to say career I can't because I watched
a movie where somebody thought they were a doctor from China and they were from Korea so maybe that's changed my memory but he came to realize recently that one of his parents was actually Mexican and he was saying like oh he jokingly like facetiously he said oh god if only I had known that when I
applied for college because nobody cares about East Asians because they're they they don't count for the DEI for the woke stuff they they don't want to forget that the East Asians exist because they outperform everyone yeah so that didn't help him at all but if he could have said he was Latino
Hispanic it might have gotten him extra credit and gotten into university or something well it's a great example because you know they're the ones they're they're they're affected almost like the Hindus and Jews and here it's like the the East Asians are definitely having
this problem in America and again why do the East Asians in particular America do so well there is a massive focus on the family household education that the the I think again without generalizing I don't think there's many races that have a bigger emphasis on education the East Asians and so
naturally they probably can do well in education if they have such an emphasis on it but again it feeds into narrative they don't because they don't need to hand out because they don't need help they're going to be pushed aside and they will get as we're seeing probably more racial abuse or get
more vicious treatment because they don't need help they don't want to help they've left these countries because they've seen a best opportunity to come here in the West and that's all they want they want opportunity they're so happy to have opportunity and to them they're going to do whatever
it takes to maximize opportunity I think that's the mindset with a lot of East Asian community Indian community lots of different communities and I think what the diversity inclusion stuff is doing is it's it's being unfair and it's it's taking away the how important merit is to a lot of these
racism these groups they don't have the beauty of merit systems in a lot of these countries it's that's the harsh reality and so to then get the opportunity to merit I think is something like we should really cherish and should be proud of and I think more white brits should be so proud
of the fact that we're in a country where merit was the most important thing I still think it isn't in the vast majority of all sectors and things but there is definitely a shift we're assuming whether it's in politics government academic institutions but there is
definitely a shift there and I think that should really be caught up by anyone and everyone one of the issues that you've called attention to is the unemployment levels in Muslim women in particular what's what's going on there well see I I used that stat and again you know you
know seem to anger a lot of people about it but I wanted to compare it to Christian women because there's a majority of the next biggest religion what the biggest religion in this country and they have 27% and you know it's not unemployment rate where it's the people who are trying to seek a
job this people you know part of that is the unemployment rate but it's also people who are wanting to be home makers or recently just had a child and are at home whereas with the Islamic community it's 70% it's considerably higher than it is in the Christian woman and which culture is clearly
a clash there culture is a difference and I've actually thought of all the things I mentioned about the the cousin marriages those things were a lot more important and a lot more serious I don't think there's anything wrong with women being at home and playing the role of a homemaker in
in those instances but I think it just I wanted to highlight the the real stark differences in terms of whether it's values whether it's culture that's going on in this country I'm not sure if that 70% stat would be the same if the number of ismasing in certain pockets of this
country would be as high I think if they were more spread out or if they weren't from different communities you know it's times a massive religion that you go to play some in this is completely different than what it is in Asia and I think if you had a much more spread out version of that
I'm not sure if that stat would be as high as it is but like we said earlier what is why would you adapt when you don't need to Muslims do appear to be much better integrated in the states where I imagine they are it's more spread out and it's people great example yeah well
that's that's a great example of the American definitely have a much more not divided but they're they adapt a lot better in America for sure whereas I think in here we definitely have much bigger pockets you know you go to places in in this country where the
popular Muslim population says that's 1% you know we we forget about that Britain is more than 80% of it is white you know it's it's hard for a lot of people to understand that because the news is all London Manchester Birmingham big cities where there are massive population or minorities
but the vast majority of the country is white and I think it'd be really good for your mainstream media your politicians to actually acknowledge and understand that and unfortunately they won't because again it's just not they're not interested I think that's whether that's where I think
again with the rights that happened recently with what happened in the last election I just it almost seems like a I'm like a disdain or hatred towards a working class I don't know how else to describe it which is really sad because the most amazing thing all this country
my opinion one most amazing thing is that you can be working class and you can actually have a good life and that's again that's not something that you can say in other countries and you can even in this country go from working class up the ladder although it's a lot harder now you can
still do that but I don't think they seem interested in that should we be worried for the future because the Islamic population is having children at a vast of rate the white population is it's just slowing and more immigration is coming we've got I mean last year I think it was 1.2 million
people and a large percentage of that was people from Islamic regions what's the future here and yeah should we be concerned we should be concerned I think the big thing that we should be doing is I think going back to some of those small now we perceive traditional British families I don't
think there's remotely traditional I think they're quite common sense but I think we should be over at school level at school level education level I think there needs to be a redefinite redefinite refining what men and women are like I think we've now gone so far in terms of making men masculine and sorry men feminine and women masculine that I think we just have a lost society I think in this in this country other communities Islamic community there's very clearly definition
you know you could argue almost too clear in terms of the limitations between the gender they obviously shouldn't be that in in this country but I think until we start to have serious conversations of why family is important why the two genders why we have two genders and why that is what we
have and there isn't nothing in between or nothing else until we start to have serious conversations about the importance of merit I think a lot of these problems can go away quite quickly I just think it just takes courage and what I think will I hope being optimistic happens is with four
five years of this government I think the frustrations in this country continue to grow and I think we almost start to understand it's almost like you you push people to the limit and put you know you push them to this sense of feeling hopeless and lost and then the light comes I think it's almost
I think wishing more and more I think bigger brands institutions speaking out against us which is amazing I think people are surviving the council culture in many cases they come back even stronger than they were pre-cancel pre being cancelled but all of these issues I agree that they help the
sort of population that's already here but it does that necessarily help let's say like a million 1.2 million people coming in a year many were very different ideas anti-western ideas over the next 10 years that's another 10 20 million people 10 15 million but that's where you
you would hope and people understand the impact of that's having it when it's hard to maybe impact them directly which it will I don't think the rating which the demographics changing it's going to come to a point where it's going to affect everyone and it's going to be negative and
I think at that point maybe we'll see a change I hope it's not too late by then I don't think it will be but I look up like Italy for example with the the strong leadership they have and it's taking them a very long time to adopt that stance I hope it doesn't take the same for us but
the beauty of the West and the beauty of what we're founded on is it won't take too long for that to my opinion to go back you know it's like every year it's like the end of the monarchy every year this is going to be the year whether we're no longer going to have a monarchy and it's how many years it's like you know when it seems a queen dies within this short period we're going to everyone loves a queen no one likes Prince Charles and so we're going to have a new you know we're
going to get rid of the monarchy it's still standing and it's still going to stand in next year on the year after so I think some of the realities when it really starts to impact people on a day to day basis even those people in those powerful privileged positions like it did in it like it's doing
across the whole of Europe like it's doing in Germany like it's doing and in some of those places they'll be forced to act and hence why Scandinavia which everyone loves to talk about lovely Scandinavia but they have some districtists immigration policies now you look at what the Danish
ministers are doing even what Sweden want to do they're trying to limit their migration by a very very very strong way of socially right wing if you like the thing you're doing I've no doubt that will happen in this country it won't take that I don't think it would be as bad as it was for
those guys so it would be for us in terms of for us to act but yeah I'm filled still with some sense of optimism is maybe not for this short immediate future that we won't become around no no I don't I think the short immediate future I do worry for sure but I think a long term period
of time I don't we shall see I've got one more question for you but first where can people get your work so just on Twitter Instagram is the same at at Sinoshama UK so yeah just follow me on there and you can see some of the stuff I get up to who is a heretic you admire heretic you my
her well I'm going to get pick an easy one in Jordan Pearson I think he's just I I just think you know we had like the age of enlightenment you have like the age of reason going back like 1700s 1800s and they were so impactful these people who said you know we should look at science we should
look at logic we should question some parts of religion we should you know we should ask questions of you know and what they're doing and we should look at education and I think they were so empowering in that era and people like Jordan Pearson I've done a similar thing for I think the
2000s I think he the power and impact he's had is astronomical I hate now he's almost being demonised and being pushed in terms of this what people are doing to him and so I really I think he's impacted and changed so many people's lives for the better the one I would like to say but I think
I almost have to wait till the allegations are fully over and stuff is is Russell Brown I think that's another one I would really really I think what's happened to him in terms of the way you know he was celebrated when he was somebody who had a drug alcohol addiction he was somebody
celebrated when he was a womanizer in front of everyone's eyes had this playboy lifestyle he was celebrated when he was doing all of that and then he decides that he wants to be a good father um husband wants to be a good person morals wants a question lots of different things
that's when he was they decided to essentially ruin a man's life or try to ruin a man's life so yeah I I think that takes serious courage to do his journey and I think I definitely really admire that I feel really um not so nice of what's going on with him now in terms of let the allegations
be true or false or whatever let's wait till that but to demonize him and to do what he's done to do what they're doing to him now I think is horrible and I really admire that whole journey he's done even if I've not agreed of every one of his political starts I think just to see in turn into this
we should be celebrating the version of Russell Brown that exists right now but we are not instead we celebrated the one that was doing very questionable things 20 years ago 10 years ago whenever it was whereas now he's trying to be good virtuous moral race children be a good father he seems to
be good husband and all these things questioning governments questioning everything you know questioning where does power come from and instead we're vilifying him so culture changed around him uh and we we've all applauded and and laughed while he was talking about I don't know it's comedy
so it's not real but I think it was apparent he was getting up to those kinds of things and then the culture changed and suddenly we're looking back at what he did during a time when people seem to allow it the only thing I'd say though with that is it is hard to prove those kinds of things
from those women so I just don't know um and if if some of those accounts are true I know it's the past and we've all had a bad past or we've done things he should be criminally charged and he should face consequences no trial no no denying that you can't always prove it that's you can't you
can't always prove it but I just find it very interesting that when all the stuff was happening and everyone essentially turned a blind eye ever no one cared no one really paid attention to it um yeah but and it was celebrated that's the culture changed yeah and we loved it he
he must feel like the rug's been pulled out from under him because he must feel like well you were all clapping yeah that's why I did it and you know now I'm trying to be good now I'm actually trying to live a some of those descriptions though of like his eyes just turning black and he just
just doing these things to women so it just we don't know we don't know like like I said that's why I think it's clear with like until these allegations are cleared up you know I hope they are because I like the you know maybe it's just me being hopeful but I like the the journey change
and I think that's something we should celebrate and I that's why I'm really hoping they clear as soon as they can because I think that that journey change is like really can be really inspiring for a lot of people or if it's proven not the case then uh depressing for a lot of you for
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