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Flash Podcast. He abused me for as long as I can remember. He would tell me it was our little secret. I'm sorry, but your mum doesn't give it to me anymore. Uh, who? No. He was a violent man. He, when he was abusing me, was very aware of his genitals as a man and was very proud of them. I had a phone call come up from the victim he owes an officer. Oh, and he's given us permission for you to know that he's now Clare Fox. He's a woman. That must've been a shock. He came out as
transgender. And so now to be told that he's walking around in a wig with the same genitals and tap that he used as a weapon against me. But I have to call him her is absurd. And the thought that he now can tell people that the reason he did what he did was because maybe he felt a bit like he should have been a woman. And he has a clear dbs because they type in Clare Fox on the system and the things that he can avoid this. Yeah, for to and I fought it hard. And what was it? He said
about Jimmy Savo. He turned around and went that was probably the first time I have ever felt like I hated him. Do you think there is a part of Clare that believes that he is a woman? Welcome to another episode of Heretics Today's guest is Kerry Lee Galvin. And my word is this as shocking stories. So I do just warn you know if you're driving in your car and the kids are there or whatever it might be, you know, just be aware that might not be the best place to listen to this.
Kerry Lee, firstly what a lovely what an eloquent what a what a wonderful person she is. Wow. And she had one of the most horrific up rings imaginable at the hands of her father a complete monster who then went to prison eventually. And what he then does you won't believe except you will believe it if you've been paying attention. So but but he he starts doing the whole gender stuff to get out of prison and it's bonkers. What's people let him get away with in the name of progress
progress. I don't get it. I don't get it. But look follow Kerry Lee on x. I'll be a link in the description. It's just Kerry Lee G on Twitter and and just send some words of support because she gets it in the neck from the trans rights activists who are defending this monster. So she's amazing. I think she's amazing. She's just brilliant. So give this a listen. Say some nice stuff to her on x because she needs to know we support her and and get onto my mailing list as well that
Andrew Gold heretics.com. And well I'll see you at the end. Take us through your story. So in 2015 I was at home and the police showed up out of nowhere. They came to collect in decent images that they'd found online that my father had been taken of me throughout my childhood. They had tracked him for months online because he was sharing these images with other pedophiles but they had no idea about what they were about to uncover which was
years and years and years of section abuse that he'd put on me. Since then you know obviously as it would be it's been up and down but recently I say recently a couple of years ago he came out as transgender and that's kind of what has led me to hear really. It's quite extraordinary. I how willing are you to talk about the abuse itself you don't obviously have to go into
exact detail but when it started and how old you were. So when it started it's really difficult because anybody who's been through anything traumatic knows that your brain blocks things out. It's like a coping mechanism. So for me he abused me for as long as I can remember I've always been abused. For the police they legally documented it from six years old. They have said to me that
they feel like it was from birth. He groomed me from birth. So when I was growing up he used to tell me stories about how I was his favourite and how he would take me you know as eight month old baby into a different room share his pudding and it was obviously as a child you're like great I'm a favourite you know but as an adult you realise that actually that was the start of it all and that was like the grooming process and he did it for years and it was always me it wasn't any of my
siblings which I'm really grateful about but that doesn't mean the threat wasn't there. It was always if you don't do what I want you to I'll go to your younger sister and I'll do it to her. So even though there was like the one side where I was as a child was like the favourite and you know how do all these things it was also very much when I started to be like actually this is wrong
and I don't want to do it if you don't someone else will. So yeah for as long as I can remember and there's so much more that I have never told and I think would struggle to tell purely because that's how I cope with it it didn't happen I was not in that room when that
happened in my brain that's how I kind of feel but a lot of it was like in decent images he used to make me masturbate him as a child he would then masturbate me and he would do other things he would tell me it was our little secret and his famous phrase was always I'm sorry but I'm sorry but your
mum doesn't give it to me anymore and I'm yes so that was that was the common one was playing you know it wasn't his fault because my mother wasn't having sex with him so he was getting it elsewhere and that was a big one and that's why now I'm so against people who are like I'm sorry but you're
sorry but you're not or you're not there's no but there so there was loads of things but he would make me type online to who I thought was an 11 year old girl on MSN he used to make me sit on him naked type into her you know she would tell me everything's fine you know this is normal this is
what we do you know for our parents when we love them the 11 year old girl turned out to be another pedophile from Manchester who obviously was grooming me as well so it was everything you know from images to actually you know sexually abusing me he didn't stop at anything he was getting what
he wanted and he didn't care about who he hurt along the way what was anybody else aware did they start to become aware siblings your mum no um I'm one of eight so yeah so I have three sisters and four brothers um they actually think he picked me which is why it was just me
he that's why he grew me from birth he decided that it was me um almost like a bit of a sacrifice child you know um he had two other daughters sorry three of the daughters and four of the sons to care for so what's it what's in my room one you know gets used for what he wants
were you the youngest or middle so yeah um it feels like this because I'm trying to understand his head I don't know why I'm trying to do that yeah are we talking about a psychopath somebody who feels no empathy yeah I think that was it and I think that there's a lot of evidence from how
he reacted along the way to suggest that so one of the things was when he was arrested the police officer in charge of the case told me that he was crying on the interview tapes when he was first arrested I don't know what I've done I don't know I'm here you know I haven't done anything
and then they would pause the interview tapes and he would be let's sit up in his chair and he said you're never going to get me for this you know he just did not care oh wow so was he quite a strange and difficult character outside of all of that as well just as a parent um growing up
obviously being one of eight a big family it wasn't nice the hat we weren't neglected as children all of us um the the you know had a really really poorly little brother he was born with half a heart um so obviously the rest of us kind of were just left and we only got through it because we had
each other um so he at home he certainly wasn't a glekful um he was aggressively violent to especially my younger brother he wasn't afraid to hit punch slap to whatever he needed to do um I actually remember one occasion when my younger brother um threatened phone social services
and the police on him and he said do it and passed him the phone so my brother being quite confident at the time did it he phone 999 my client took the phone off him and punched him growing the face and told him never to do it again um and that was that like that's the type of man he was
he didn't care um it was very much power look at me I'm bigger and stronger than you and I'll do what I want to do um and and and all that while I mean it's it's a it's a stupid question but but for what we're going to go on to speak about it's relevant he he felt presumably very much a man
yeah he was a man you know he was Cockney he used to wear his big leather jacket in the community he would make himself known as quite hard you know he would walk around he was rested multiple times for domestic incidents there was a time he actually held his all hostage in our home um he put a
brick-free window at my niece who was a newborn baby um he was a violent man and he when he was abusing me was very aware of his genitals as a man I'm was very proud of them and so now to be told that he's walking around in a wig with the same genitals intact that he used as a weapon against me
but I have to call him her is absurd it's completely insane um what was it um he said about Jimmy Savo like when you were growing up so I um remember this moment I can tell you exactly what I was wearing I was in my pajamas I was like like we had a sofa here and here he was like here I was sat there um we were watching the TV and Jimmy Savo the news broke out about it I was having my tea and he turned around and went people like that make me absolutely sick I don't know how to get away with it
and that was probably the first time I've ever felt like I hated him and it was because I was like you that is you like what do you mean like I was so blindsided growing up because he was my dad and nature tells us we love our parents we should love our parents but actually in this moment
I saw him as a monster and I was like how can you be so black and white to the outside world of the opinion that you and I share you know that people like that are horrific and do not belong in society yet you are that and you're I just couldn't get my head around it I hated him
I heard you say this the other day now it actually kept me up thinking I'm trying to think what's he trying to do there and I wondered is is he conscious that you're going to see on TV that everybody is saying this guy who did the things he's doing is a monster yeah and so he's trying
to show you that's different to what what I do yeah how are you at that time roughly I don't know when it broke out so I think probably about 14 15 I was still in high school I know that much because there was a lot of struggle in high school as you can imagine going through kind of puberty
trying to fit in with everybody and learning about my body and learning about sex which you never knew about before and then suddenly realizing I do you know this thing but it's supposed to be sacred and you're supposed to do in relationships I has actually been taken away from me you know
and and so there was a lot of battle there so I think that was about the age and I just remember even though I knew it was wrong up until that point I never hated him I didn't like it I didn't like what he was doing but he was my dad and remember he grew me my whole life he grew me to tell
me that nobody else loved me nobody else wanted me and actually we could run away together so to love him love him like I would love anyone else as a partner it's just extraordinary I'm so sorry that this this happened to you and that now he's able to use this whole trans ideology I
supposed to do the thing that most of us who are speaking out against some of the extreme aspects of it are most worried about because I sat with Peter Tatchel the other week and he was saying nobody is going to use those things to get away with it nobody would do that no he repeated that over and
over that's just and then I would bring up I would say no but what about this and what about that and he goes well that shouldn't happen but nobody would do it and it didn't make any sense so tell me more about since he's gotten into prison and how he's using trans so I had a phone call I hadn't
heard anything really from 2016 when he was sentenced I had a phone call late 2021 to say hey he's up for release he's up for parole so you need to stop a parent statement obviously this is like five years after his sentence he was supposed to have 10 so I'm like what do you mean like I was
expecting at least five years of my life left before I had to face this is that what because I never understand with prison is that because they often say you only actually serve half of it yeah so was he given 10 years and then you get out of five so he was given actually a European extended
sentence which the judge said was justified because of the level of his manipulation and his defense which was he kept it in his family so he's not a rista society because he didn't do it to anybody else it should be locked up for life my argument was if you can do that to your own
child what can you do to somebody else's yeah so I was phoned and I was in shock and it was kind of like a okay I'll leave that with you now so obviously thankfully I had support around me my family tried to prepare like a bit of a statement as to why I didn't think this should happen
and heard nothing till early 2022 when I was at home one morning literally on my own with my small child I had a phone call come up from the victim liaison officer and I answered it and she said oh just to let you know he's no longer eligible for parole because of an altercation that
happened like last year which tells me he's done something because if it was his parole and he hadn't done something then why would it affect that so he's done something oh and he's given us permission to know for you to know that he's an al-Klaifox he's a woman that must have been a shock
it was like she was telling me what I had what she had for breakfast yesterday it was like oh yeah by the way he's given me like you know he's allowing me to know that he's a woman now but actually he's just got a wig and changed his name oh my god and to the name of course
in case people don't know who Claire Fox is who is Claire Fox. Claire Fox is actually a lady in the House of Lords and she's very much for female feminine rights and she's made it very clear and it's kind of this story's come out about her feelings and thoughts towards obviously transitioning
within sexual predators or anyone really who's committed to crime and he used her name and this is proven that these people these perpetrators are doing this because then you google their name and Claire Fox comes up the lady in the House of Lords so I mean it doesn't now he's probably
regretting that but it comes up as him now it would yeah if you type in that obviously she comes as well but the stories come with it but for me you know if I wanted to become a male I changed my first name to match a male name right I don't want to have my identity and change my last name
what's that about that's hiding something you're running away from something and I just yeah it was from that moment I knew he's done this for a reason he was segregated in prison so obviously being female now he was a he was at risk of rape assault but they segregated him to help him yeah because
he's female he's he's identifying as female so now to male prisoners he's a risk isn't he yeah um so it's funny how someone who's just had an altercation it's now suddenly given every segregation right that it possibly is um it's clever really when you think about it but
that shows how dangerous it is as well this is another issue that I because this is a trans issue I suppose it's an issue with the laws that we've changed without thought for safeguarding and again I had that debate and Peter Tatt was saying you don't take rights away from trans women and I said no no you're giving extra rights to them and this is a clear and cut case of somebody who's done bad things in prison and is now getting extra rights by pretending to be someone else the other
thing is the clear fox thing in addition to as you say he's trying to um that way he's hiding and he can change his name in his life and everything he's trolling isn't he he's being a troll it's like roxy tickle I don't know if you follow that story roxy tickles this this um
Australian man who wanted to be in the an app only for women so so he changed his name to roxy tickle which is like a porn star name and it's like you're trolling but he won uh in court and was then uh was able to be in the women's app now he's just a big burly bloke uh who hasn't
really done anything else to try and be um a woman so so so what what happened next um what he's in prison he's now woman is segregated what what then um so I was told he's up for parole again um shortly after this um prepare your statement this time it's going head so I'm thinking great okay
this has come out of nowhere again so I'm finally starting to get my life on track after this man has taken it all from me and it's been thrown in my face but it's very much your on your own he you know he's getting all this segregation he had his deed pole paid for by the prison service he had
his wig provided now if I went into prison as a female I wouldn't get my makeup paid for really is that right then it was all paid for it was all given to him but that I read that and I just thought oh that must be some sort of I mean clear fox the actual clear fox said that and I thought
maybe that's something that's just given to all women and now I think about it that's quite a large taxpayer expense isn't it yeah it's a luxury you know you don't get luxuries in prison unless you work and pay for them but he wasn't he was just handed it all you know he was taken in a
picture with a blonde wig on and everything that I'm sent correspondence wise is all she her him you know him's gone it's all she and her and now I'm made to address him as her you know I actually refused in my parole statement and was very much him and were you admonished for doing that
what could they do you know I wasn't gonna change yeah you can't force me to say that the man who is still a man he still has his genitals is now a woman and I should just call him that and respect that because he definitely didn't respect me as I was growing up as a child oh man
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was actually disgusting and so I was told I had no victim nails and officer at this time and I was kind of like in a gray area just waiting for someone to be my victim nails and officer because I didn't have anyone so I'm going for a parole hearing with no victim nails and officer
which is the only thing I'm entitled to is a victim and told I have to join the parole hearing from teams at home on my laptop why was this because I didn't have anyone I had no victim nails and officer so therefore I had nobody to support me so it's like oh if you want to do it you can
join in on teams as if you know I'm joining work call or I'm joining the teams call with you or something you know I'm therefore allowing this story into my home I'm allowing this man into my home now and I can't get away from that if I go to a building and talk about it I go home
but actually I'm allowing this into my home and it was only because I thought that that I didn't have to do it there but that was what they were saying it wasn't my right to have any legal representation but it was his and it's crazy how I just can't have they explained why that is
no there's just no rights for victims so I actually did a speech in the House of Lords regarding this and they were all very much oh why how did we get here what's going wrong well what went wrong was we created laws and legislation for prisoners to make sure they kept
their human rights in prison but where's the laws and legislation for victims there isn't so it worked therefore when it comes to a prisoner being released the law and legislation is there the police have to follow that victimly as ones have to follow that they don't have to follow anything
for for victims we have no rights you know I was phoned and told he's going to be released into my local community because it was his human right to do that but my human right having to live next or to my abuse it didn't matter that's insane it was irrelevant and I was allowed a
fireproof letterbox in a panic alarm so I could live in a prison so he could be free a fireproof letterbox yeah they said a fireproof letterbox CCTV in a panic alarm in case he tried because he absolutely would have tried something what to set the house on fire yes he's a violent man so it's
all you know to them it's like well we can offer you these things and you can live next or to him but we've given you these things so it's fine did he move to where you know thankfully I fought it and I fought it hard I shouldn't have had to and do you know what I think I'm actually lucky
I am really lucky you know I have a voice and I am not afraid to use it a lot of people wouldn't I know a lot of women and men who are living next or to their abusers because they're too afraid to stand up they don't want to stand up they can't and why should they have to why should they feel like
they have to do that that should be there for them they shouldn't have to feel like the world against them I was under the impression that when abusers leave prison there are a whole load of rules about where they can and can't live like not within a mile of a school or a park and presumably
not near their victims I'm missing like Louis Theroux documentaries I know this is in America there was the co-linger one that he did over there that was the name of the place and when they got out they had to go and live in these sort of strange homes that where people were monitoring them
is that just not the case in the UK no and it's hidden you know I know someone who was messically abused she lived in a block of flats she had to move out of her own flat because her abuser was moving back in downstairs oh my god so she would have to have walked past him every single day
why do we always give more rights to the perpetrators and I know but I'm not like some right wing what you know because it can be a bit on the right like anyone who's committed a crime you go to prisons yeah I don't believe we need it I think maybe we put people in prison too easily often
but that kind of crime I just think throw away the key it's also the level isn't it you know it's the level of rights there because okay some people can be rehabilitated I personally don't think pedophiles are one of them but that's my opinion I agree people can be rehabilitated in certain
crimes but when you are placed in somebody like that above the right of the person that they you know their rights they invaded they took away he took away my rights as a child and that was to be safe and he took those and now his rights are above mine so the man who thought he was
powerful when he was doing these things and obviously thrived from this power you're giving more power what's that about I don't know where this all I can think is the people who make the laws are often psychopaths I know that's a bit simplistic but people who get to the top are protecting one
another because I don't know who it serves because I know that I mean Hugh Edwards for example just didn't even see any prison time for what he did and again I don't want it I don't want to sound like I'm being dramatic whatever he was the images he was viewing he was contributing to doing the
worst thing we can do in our society it's not the same as what your father was doing to you but he did not go to prison at all I just I just can't believe and people go to prison for like finance is things they go away for a couple of years they go for longer than people who have done
these kinds of abuses and now he's using the trans thing and getting away like who is this serving like who is voting for this this is not what we vote for in our democracy and on the flip side to the Hugh Edwards thing I was told if I hadn't have spoke out which I did try I tried to refuse
when the police were questioning me when they first came to my house because I was absolutely petrified you know there's someone here who's finding out a secret that only I've had this is all I've had control over my whole life this is the only thing is that I know who you are and it's
up to me to tell people now all of a sudden it's not my control it's theirs so I refuse but if I hadn't have spoke out which very nearly happened he I was told he would have gotten 18 months suspended sentence for the the images he had which he took of me so actually you know in terms of
the images and stuff okay people say oh yeah there are images but actually there's so much more underneath these layers people you know Clive wasn't a pedophile until he was what do you mean by that he was you know until he was committed and found out of this crime he wasn't a pedophile see
walk around the community and he would be Clive the pillar of community who volunteered for Saint John ambulance and had eight kids and his son was really poorly and he really tried hard to work and build businesses for himself so the people in the community not know that he was a
bit of a wrong and no it seemed just nice and yeah helpful you know and then you go from that to know he's a pedophile so actually there is no kind of yeah he only took images because there's so many more layers of that yeah even if he had I mean doing that to your own daughter again I do
think there are part there are times night we just just lock them up I just don't yeah I don't know what I don't know who would say no that's too long to put that person who's taken pictures of his own daughter and sent them out into the world I don't know I don't know who apart from him
yeah who would be like oh no that's not right let let him out let's all advocacy for this person so don't know who that serves so and as you say he was a pillar of the community but now couldn't be because of what he's done except he can now disguise himself as Claire Fox and he can be an
advocate can't he you know if he if I hadn't spoke out he would have been released into a community where maybe young you know male female whoever they are want to come out want to say that they're transgender and they look up to someone who's done it middle age who had eight children and was
married and they think wow you've done that and people admire that because it's brave right it's courage but actually he's done it to hide and to hide in a very you know at the moment vulnerable community and he's using it to his absolute advantage so why is it now that this man who who
was this pillar of community you know obviously at home we knew very different he was very violent and aggressive but in the community he wasn't is now again in the community doing what he did before this is why we have rules around men and women in different bathrooms prisons sports teams
all these kinds of things because there might be not not most trans people but there might be people who will take advantage of it which is what he's doing that's why we have the laws and the rules but you've also faced pushback from people in the trans community is that right which is
astounding isn't it yeah they should be on on side with you yeah I know it's this was my biggest fear you know I am somebody who believes that if you are not hurting anyone you should be free to live your life but ultimately we are getting to a point where we are hurting people and I'm not
fighting a war that can't be won in terms of transgender and the trans ideology you know that is up to people in my opinion that is up to them what I'm fighting here is actually a jump in safeguarding a jump in legislation a jump that me or you couldn't make you know we can't avoid a
DBS check because we don't want to declare it I might not want to say who I was previously I changed my name can they do that then yeah so that's one of it's not only can you can you go about the community no one will know it's him but he can so DBS check that's what it was that that's a
government that's to check your police background yeah so if you're working with vulnerable people like children or elderly you can avoid this yeah absolutely because what do you need for DBS check you need a passport or driving license you need a birth certificate and you need a bank card
well he would have a driving license or or passport in Clefax he would have his birth certificate in Clefax because that gets changed and he would have a bank card in Clefax so actually even though there's this transgender sensitive route where you go and you kind of say I'm trans but it doesn't
show any certificate there's also the flip side that he could just submit a DBS form that says Clefax provide his ID and his all the stuff that he needs and he has a clear DBS because they type in Clefax on the system and nothing's there he's not committed any offenses well hadn't he changed
his name while he was still in prison but I guess the offense had already been done yeah but it wouldn't show up that he was in prison not if he didn't declare his previous name so if he didn't say I'm Clive Bundy I'm Clive Bundy but now I'm Clifax there's no link and you've been I mean
what are the some of the things that people have said to you it doesn't happen that's the thing that's what Tatchel says yeah it doesn't happen but I'm here to say it doesn't it has you're living proof that it happens and what's really frustrating is that you're almost getting this phone in your
face that you know we have to allow for a minority in the trans community you know not not there's a really small proportion of trans women who will you know attack or cause any kind of violence to any other women okay great but I'm also a very small proportion of the world
and you're arguing with me so who wins here you know you can't tell me that it doesn't happen when I'm telling you it does but then tell me I have to accept that actually I have to walk into a bathroom with anyone it could be anyone and I have to accept that because it's for a minority
where do we cross the line here I've also seen that the the number of trans people in in prison who are therefore sexual crimes is like through the roof compared to men and women I'm sure I can imagine that I don't think we have the exact stats that outside of prison those who have
you know sexual whatever I've committed crimes and those kinds of things might be the same as men in general right because as far as I'm concerned trans women are I just men and I'd you know do you do your thing and you in private have fun go out to a party go not just private go out to
probably do your thing as long as it doesn't hurt other people I imagine it's the same as men but that's like me as a man saying just like well why do we need rules against safeguarding because I don't do anything wrong most men don't and most men don't but but a very small percentage do
and most men then understand like okay because of those men I don't want my daughter or wife or so I was just a woman I don't know being susceptible to that man so I don't want that man in in a women's toilet same reason I wouldn't want a trans woman in their toilet most of them would never
do anything so what they don't seem to and where where are they saying these things do I mean you talked about I'm off camera earlier a bit of battle of ideas there were people getting upset a walking out was it yeah so they were I went and did a speech at the battle of ideas last year
um I was at next to Kate Coleman and she kind of delivered her factual evidence I'm here to prove you know my personal experience as evidence um and there was a lot of people that are who kind of were in T-shirt saying I am trans great amazing you're clearly trying to make me know that you are
you're here to argue with me so Kate Coleman did her speech there was a lot of gestures there was a lot of noise um I said my speech and people got up and walked out and it was almost like a okay I can't argue with it now so I'm going to walk away um but I'll come back when you know she's not
there and I can argue it and actually people just want to argue for the sake of arguing what comes down to is we're not going to ever completely eradicate this there it always going to be people out there who want to hurt other people but it's about this is why we have safeguarding in places and
this is why we do risk assessments and we have to do it against the majority not the minority because ultimately we're not going to make laws and legislations that protect everyone you never going to do it you would have to do it individually and that's just not going to happen
yeah I agree something you said before struck me as as interesting you said that it was your biggest fear that you would be seen as a transphobia yeah what does that say about our society today because I think most people listening wouldn't blame you for feeling that way um that you've gone
through the worst thing imaginable to most people and yet your biggest fear is someone might call you a foe of some sort that doesn't just impact me in terms of you know how I feel because like I say I'm very much for people who live as you want to live as long as you don't hurt others however
it's what that leads to you know everything I do every interview I do I risk losing my job which then rolls down to my family which then rolls down to my home you know I don't just put myself on the risk here I don't just cry at home because I'm called a transphobia there's so
much more to this and it's because I'm speaking my opinion and trying to safeguard you know young girls out there who are being abused today because it doesn't stop it doesn't stop and actually what it comes down to is I'm risking my livelihood which I have built from nothing I've had nothing I'm risking that now all for the sake of saying what's happened and saying a truth and a reality
and it's like I don't know how I can win against that. That's a weird place to be in a weird place to be in I know it's something I talk about on this on the show of course just the oppressive nature of our society now that even someone who's gone through what you've gone through just pointing out
and telling your story without saying anything in flammetry your biggest fear now is that because of course yeah you could lose absolutely everything and you've built from from such a difficult beginning you've built you know you you you you speak wonderfully and eloquently and I mean how
are you now I think I saw that you have PTSD and you're overcoming those issues. So I have PTSD and acute depression that doesn't go away and I manage it yeah as anyone would PTSD affects me more of a night time so in the day I'm very in touch with myself very in control I'm confident
and speaking about what happened to me it helps me but actually at night when my subconscious takes over you know I have nightmares where I'll literally sit up and I'll be shouting and screaming and it's because what happened is still there I can sit here you know smiling saying I'm lucky
saying all these things but actually this is for life you know the effect that this has on me is forever and ultimately it affects everything else my you know my my little one if they come to me and want some advice about sex when they're old or what's to say they're not going to be too afraid
to ask because of what I've been for and they don't want to upset me this doesn't just affect me affects everyone around me and actually that's something I have to live with daily no matter how much I stand here I'll sit here and smile and say yeah great okay let's make sure that it's safe
for everyone else the reality is harsh and I have to deal with the consequences I don't go home and smile and think oh that's another day's work done it has an effect you have a you have a relationship now and things like that are you able to enjoy being in a romantic relationship
it's something that took a long time and still has an effect now you know Clive told me when I was younger that one more 16 we'd run away together and we could be together forever you know he saw me as like someone he would marry someone he would be with which obviously
wouldn't happen legally in this country but to go from the one person in your life who you thought loved you and did everything in your best interest and thinking that they were the whole world to then realise and how much they'd taken from you and how much they'd abused you
you building any kind of romantic relationship is just unreal and statistically it doesn't happen you know people who are abused and then they're young often don't have stable relationships because of that yeah not now I understand that but it sounds like you're making a go of it yeah
and that's why I'm lucky you know at the home I have a loving family around me I have a career I have a relationship and I'm thriving I absolutely am in comparison to most and this is where I'm lucky but this is why I've got to speak out yeah because it's for the people who can
and I you know I respect that you do I mean that takes real courage most people in your situation don't don't do that and that's understandable as well absolutely how did your siblings and your mother react when they when it all came crashing down so it actually affected my siblings a lot more
and I think it still does and it's crazy because when you think about it you're like what do you mean that how does that work but actually it's not a surprise to me I knew who is this person the whole time I knew my whole life he was a pedophile that he was doing these things so there was the shock
factor for me was gone you know for my siblings suddenly their father's taken away and they're told to accept the fact that he was a bad man he's a pedophile and he did these things to me how do you as an older brother cope with the fact that your younger sister was you know raped in her house
and there was nothing you could do it could have completely broke us some of us it has but we're a unit and we're strong and we're very lucky to have each other unfortunately I have no relationship with my mother and that's a lot of things that kind of went up in the air a lot of my
own theories I kind of have from that and you know that's something I live with every day I live with the fact that I'm 26 and I am technically an orphan I have no parents I raise myself and I'll continue to do that but with the support of my siblings around me how have you end it ends
up seeming so well rounded I think for me I absolutely love helping people that's why I did what I did you know I did what my father wanted me to do because I didn't want my little sister to do it you know that that helped me cope okay you've done that but look who you've saved I remember
sitting on the end of her bed at night crying looking at her thinking I'm so glad that you don't have to go through this but hating the world for the fact that I did and I think for me the fault of staying strong and being strong for them keeps me going it doesn't happen all the time I've had
really really low points in my life I was nearly sectioned I had multiple suicide attempts I didn't want to be here anymore and because I thought that the abuse was me and it's not but it's taken me a long time to do that and I think when you think about it I've been out of the abuse a lot less
time than I was in it and there's still a long way to go yeah absolutely and I think it's a reminder all of those things you've been going through for anyone who does try to suggest and people do do this that abuse of you know that it's not as bad as as all that I mean it ruins people's
lives it's you're a different person after the abuse happens that that's what I've seen every time I've spoken to somebody has gone through it do you think there is a part of clive that believes that he is a woman no nothing not so this man was incredibly proud of being male incredibly
proud when he had a little girl must've been on him and the thought that he now can still go around as he was and tell people that the reason he did what he did was because maybe he felt a bit like he should have been a woman and he was intrigued by that is he telling people that's what the victim
is and officer said when she first told me was that this is one of the reasons why because he wanted to be in touch with his feminine side okay great but at the same time that means then that he takes away any kind of innocence of a child that's not an excuse that's not okay and actually
the fact that he's trying to make it that shows how dangerous and manipulative that man is you know he's not only manipulated me as a child he's manipulated everyone around him the whole girl board adjusted system it's all his despite all that though I mean he must regret I mean it was
a bit of trolling or whatever with the name Claire Fox but because of that it made the news and now presumably everybody knows that this person pretending to be Claire Fox is actually this this person who's committed such heinous crimes what he's done there is he's tried to pop out of the
woodwork like hey look it's me on by the way I'm still in control because I've given you permission so I'm still in control here because you're allowed I'm allowing you to know that what he didn't realize was I've actually not allowed what he did to consume me I've allowed it to drive me and
unfortunately for him there's no getting away from it because I won't allow him to feel like he's one because he hasn't you took control of the narrative and now people know exactly who Claire Fox did that Claire Fox it's it's it's Clive yeah gosh if if if if you would sort of
in his home now wherever he is as he sat there with a wig on and all of that stuff or was he probably just being being him he's been spotted as a male in the local community where he shouldn't be god unfortunately these people haven't phoned the police and haven't kind of reported it so for me
to try and naturally ring the victim he is enough to kind of be like hey by the way he's as a man I can't do that that's up for them to do you know it could be harassment if I'm continuously phoning and saying oh he's been spotted here he's been spotted here you know that was told to me
could I could it could be class as harassment which is absurd and ludicrous but you know again that's the law that's legislation isn't it he's supposed to be allowed to live a free life but actually what he's doing here is he's walking around the community where he's based in a wig and leaving
the community as a male and then to them two people are different aren't they he's not that person so you look at CCTV of him in a wig you look at CCTV of him elsewhere not in that wig suddenly he's changed isn't he and he can't be spotted easy did did being trying to pretend he was a woman
get him out of prison earlier do you think yeah absolutely you imagine how much our prisons are full we know that okay I don't I don't have to go into that everybody knows that it's all we've heard for the last I don't even know how long so imagine now paying for someone to be segregated
away from everyone else showers food everything imagine how much money and pressure that puts on the prison service so even though they won't hold their hands up publicly and say it I've absolutely heard from liable sources that is exactly the reason why they have released him really what sources
told you so one of my advocates one of my independent sexual violence advocate said this happens and it happens because of exactly the reasons I said you know there's so much more to this story that I would love to say but I can't because I have nobody who's willing to come out and say it
because I'm so afraid of losing their job so afraid of the backlash and I'm just a person on that and I'm a person that'll be argued with because what degrees do I hold what do I know I what kind of person would argue with with you on this though I just I just
me I always try to see the other side of things you know and I just I can't see it here this is one of the rare times when I'm thinking I just I mean of course I understand that most trans people would never do anything like this and that you're not even speaking about a trans person because
you're saying this person is not that but is making use of the loophole from what I think is unfortunately a crazy law that we've allowed with regards to self-id and then those kinds of things and and that they're now calling him in what well do they not go climb shut up get back to yourself yeah you know take the you're not having a wig what world is this right now I don't and and that's the good side that's the virtue aside that's the the people doing good and getting him out of prison
is is that the do you think the difference between looking good and and actually doing good like they look good the prison and and and other people have helped him now by helping out but they're actually not interested in doing good it's a tick box exercises isn't it you know to them look at us we're being really accepting we're being great we're being really you know um we're providing things for this we're allowing this so look how good we are look how amazing of a country we are to allow this
when actually they're not thinking about the fact that everything that he's taken he's now taking again he is now taking a new identity he is run away from the old one and it's almost as if all the abuse that he put on myself is ignored it's gone it didn't happen because Clive Bundy no longer
exists he is Clive Fox when you are uh speaking with people who disagree with you they refer to Clive as she yeah there's been multiple times I mean the parole board statement is all it said was she her she her great okay so I will read that as knowing the man that he was and I will I have
to accept that because ultimately his rights are way above mine it's such it must be so bizarre for you to have to read these statements knowing what he is and what he's done to you I have to read she because there is almost even if it's not said there's kind of a she's a victim yeah
element isn't there yeah like poor she she's confused and she didn't know she was a she and that's why she did this because she went through a hole in you know a whole time where she was so confused with herself she was just exploring you know children naturally explore don't they a
young children explore with their bodies because they don't know we have to learn not a 40 year old grown man with eight children he does not explore bodies that's not what happens and I think for me the fact that this was allowed and then I was left to deal with it on my own was absolutely
disgusting you know I remember FaceTiming my siblings and saying to them having to deliver the news that he is now a woman they laughed down the phone at me they told me I was lying they told me that doesn't that's not true because none of them believe that he ever would be and I had to
really take time to break that to them why was that on me you know why was that for me to do but unfortunately it didn't matter about me did it it mattered about him it's extraordinary is there any kind of it can something be done is that other than speaking out publicly as you're doing is
the way to kind of get the prison system to acknowledge that they made a mistake here I think the only thing I've known is to continuously keep it in their faces and to continuously tell them this is not okay obviously that happens with the more people who push it you know I'm one person
from a little town and I'm trying to make a difference in in a country of millions of people I can't do it alone and I think the only way to get anyone to face these facts is to continuously put it in their face and make them do it I think for me I've been asked the question how what do we do
well I'm not paid the hundreds of thousand pounds a year to figure that out there's people much smarter out there than me to figure that out what I'm saying here is that there is an incident that has happened and this is one person so imagine the amount of people that are out there and
haven't spoke they've got to be out there if I hadn't a spoke and you still wouldn't know about me so ultimately statistics don't matter what matters is the people coming forward and showing the world that we have a problem has this made you a little bit wary you spoke of you know a man in
his 40s doesn't suddenly start exploring a little bit wary of 40 year olds 50 year old men who start to come out as trans massively and that hurts as well because I am an accepting person and I like to think that I would do anything for anyone however
the fact that I'm now questioning people all the time who might or may or even not be trans you know I am always aware that somebody walking into the swim bus when I'm changing my child's because they're open you know could be there for the wrong reasons they could be there for the
wrong intentions and there's nothing I can do about that because what are the rules right now in the laws I mean it is it's it's just depending on the like the club or institutional changing room or is it like self-id like a man who says he's a woman can go into the women's changing room
I think that's just an acceptance in society now you know as a worker in reception are you going to question someone who's got long blonde hair walking into a female changing room are you going to be the one to go up to them and say you can't be here are you going to be the one to put your
job on the line for that probably not and that would be that's horrific for you to see I mean it's still I still seems like a small percentage of society isn't it I mean I have you seen that in changing are you often in changing women's and things yeah so my little one has swimming lessons
all the time okay so I'm very aware of people in and out my niece is from a small village in Wales and she used to go to swimming lessons climb new monies when she was born he wasn't arrested at that point and it was only when he came out as Claire Fox that we suddenly realized she's
being let into these changing rooms that don't have cubicles you know they're like very much the old kind of benches very open she's going in there on her own to get changed and Clive could be in there and we wouldn't know you know the reality is massive it's it's actually almost impossible
difficult to imagine that he is not right now going into lots of women's changing rooms and using this to look at more I imagine he is yeah and it was actually told to me by his neighbour because she got in contact with me after the Daily Mail article to say that she she knows where
he lives because that wasn't my right either I wasn't allowed to know where in the country he was and she got in touch with me to say she knows where he lives and she said that the local library there had actually reported him because he'd gone into children's reading sessions and was sat there
oh my god and this is after he's been released and they lowered the sentence because they didn't think he was a danger to people outside of you which is like it's the most naive thing I've ever heard in ever in my life so the parole statement actually says that Clive admits to finding children
is sexually attractive admits to not caring or understanding any harm that he's causing when he's abusing children and admits to thinking he can have sex as and when he wants but actually the only thing in the statement and the only reason why they decided that he was allowed to be released was
because he had a good relationship with prison staff wow there was nothing else he wasn't it wasn't rehabilitated he didn't undertake a rehabilitation program and that's because there's no female credited pedophile credibility rehabilitation programs in prison so now all of a sudden this
pedophile can't be a pedophile because he's woman and there's no rehabilitation programs for women that's insane that's okay I mean I people need to start speaking I mean you you've been it's incredible the job you're doing and more people and and those people are I mean Kate Coleman as you
say and and these these people are heroes in raising this issue but more people people who are not typically political I think have to now get involved because this is a this is a huge problem it's it is a war and that's a big term to throw but I am one person and there's been you know there's
been campaigners after campaigners trying to fight this but ultimately they are just speaking through stories that they've heard or things that they've seen we need people who it's happening to to say actually no it's happening to me as well and that's massive and that's huge and they
should never have had to come to this point I shouldn't be here there should be something that happens naturally in society but unfortunately it doesn't and the only way to change that is to stand up to these people and say it is wrong and it is happening and the fact that he was got
all chummy with the the wardens and all you know he held a trusted job in prison is what it says on his you know what it was no just just just says he held a trusted job great okay so you're telling me that that means then he's not going to feel empowered and like he can then go and
abuse children again because now he's manipulated other people around him he's done what he's good at and he's manipulated and manipulated his whole way through do you think the people responsible for the parole and the sentencing and things are influenced a little bit by what we
would call the woke sort of rise of the last few years and and they're maybe scared for their own jobs and lives and things massively and I think as well the thing that frustrated me is I opted to read my victim statement to the parole board because I felt like that was more empowering than
them reading off of black and white piece of paper I could get across my tone and how really strongly I felt about everything I had to say they read it the day before I even read it to them so actually the the fact of offering me to read it in person was just a tick box exercise
because they'd already read it they knew what was in it and I did not feel like any of them were listening or engaging I mean that's hard on teams anyway right this is hard to know if anyone is any listening anyway but when they're looking away from screens and you know they've already
read it you think what am I doing this for pointless you've already made up your mind oh my god it's it's it's awful is it is there anything about this that I've not asked you that you think is personal I think there's a lot and I think there's a lot that I could sit here and talk about
um for me the most important thing here is the fact that this does happen it has happened and it will continue to happen we can't keep sleeping under the carpet because one extra person is too many and unfortunately nothing's going to change until we face it with regards to the issues that
you don't want to talk about is is that is that for fear of offending people I think there's a mixture I'm quite outspoken and I will argue my point I will argue fact and that this is my story and that is it you can't change it because it happened it is me however I think there comes a
point where you put so much of yourself on the line after losing so much of yourself how much more do you want to give so actually there isn't that fear there um I think for me mentally I have to be careful as well about how much I don't divulge what I say um would that be about the actually
abuse itself yeah and obviously everything in between because ultimately each day this is spoke about I relive 10 days of the abuse you know I go home and I see everything that happened again you know I see my father walking through the bedroom door knowing what he's going to do I see him
taking off his dressing gown naked and I know what's coming next and I'm reliving that life I see it is like a Russian doll so you think of a Russian doll and they'll grow and I'll grow and they'll be more layers but actually the core of that Russian doll is me is my childhood is that
nine year old girl who's raped by her father and ultimately didn't have a voice and that's hard to break maybe was your mum all of this time not there anyway I you know I just I just I'm so angered by this and I think many people watching will be as well um if people want to help where can
they go to how can they follow you things like that um so I want X I'm not great with it um and yeah for me that's probably the main place that they can go to um obviously I am trying to work on more things um trying to get the story out there to consistently be heard um in the hope that
someone somewhere listens and changes what we need to be changed we'll put a link below to your X it's Kerry Lee Galvin if they just type that I found it that way as well yeah I'm one of a few yeah you don't update that much who is a heretic you admire Katie Piper tell me about Katie
Piper so as a little girl um even though it was obviously a very different story I admired the way that she could have allowed what happened to her to consume her she could have um in society's eyes allowed that man to win she didn't she used it to drive her and she has made a massive change
to a woman and men who are hurt who are stalked who are domestically abused what just in case like non-britz might not know who she is so what's her thing so with her story um she was um she broke up with her ex-boyfriend um I've actually forgot his name um he stalked her um and himself and
a complex um a actor with acid fruit acid in her face um she ended up with I can't we probably can't even comprehend the amount of issues at surgeries you know complications that she went through um and she ended up being very different to the person she was before um she was hurt physically
and I'm sure it took a lot for her to get through mentally so I think for me watching her use that and use any platform she could to raise awareness for that was massive and I I think she's amazing yeah Daniel Lynch I've got here is the name of the man I had shown in my head and I don't know why
and uh the latest news that uh he has a rare two-day parole hearing uh oh that was in July so I don't know if we have more news about that but obviously he's saying he's a reformed I knew it was coming up yeah bloody hell thank you Kerry Lee Galvin wow what a what a person what an amazing
person to come through that kind of adversity and to be the person she is today and to warn others about falling for this and to not care about people giving her shit for for cooling out a monster what an absolute monster he is more people need to know about this do follow her and x at twitter.com slash Kerry Lee G there's a link in the description and join my mailing list at androidgoldheretics.com I'll see you next time