463. Tommy Robinson: What I Really Think About Race, Islam and Jews

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Don't you ever give up. Do you understand? Ever. If I wasn't rough, I'd come out, Stephen. Just, you know, do your washing and just be there. So, worst day I've ever had in my life. I remember calling my eyes out thinking, what a bad son I've been and what worry I've put up for.

The left aligned with the terrorists and the jihadists. So what you're seeing on these Hamas demonstrations, okay, you see in the communist and Marxist, they're all joined with the Islamist, they're all friends, all of a sudden. And the far right, the Nazis, they all come together. They all hate Jews. Hamas in their political manifesto said the final day of judgment does not come till every Jew is dead. How do you negotiate with that?

Are you funded by Mossad? Mossad, if you're watching, give me some money, man. I don't want Britain to look like Saudi Arabia. I am not saying every Muslim is a problem, okay. I don't want to deport Muslims from the UK. If you're in Saudi violence and you're being a racist, you deserve to be punished by the law.

The government, here's Morgan sat on TV and said that I had to organize an instigated attack against mosques in the recent riots. No evidence of that, no proof of that. I'd called for calm, told people to put down the bricks. You are within your rights to criticize Islam, to look at the teachings of Muhammad.

You just said I'm a racist. You know I'm not a racist. Are you a racist? You can't talk against vaccines. You can't talk against transgenderism. They're not working when they come in. Many immigrants work. No, we see that many Muslim immigrants are not working. I went to my car and I put a book on a full makeup.

I swear to God and I just went, oh, and the whole room just went, what the f***? Many Muslims who are peaceful, who do want to integrate with this country. What message would you have for them? Unfortunately, the drug issue, again, ever took drugs? Tell the truth. Do you think you might be on the psychopathy spectrum? Am I a psychopath? It's Tommy Robinson today, which is one that when I started Heritage, everyone said do Tommy Robinson. Do Tommy Robinson. I thought, oh my god, who is this guy?

this guy, well I didn't really think that I thought. I know exactly who he is, he's the face of evil, although maybe he needs to be reassessed, I think I thought that for quite some time. And people said, will you email him? Will you, will you, will you, I didn't even email him, I WhatsApped him, will you interview him? And I thought, okay, let's have a look at this, maybe I can have some sort of interview, where I hold him to account for some of the racist things he said over the years.

And so I had a look and I could not find anything racist that he has said, unless you believe that criticizing Islam and maybe even going overboard and doing so at times, sometimes being trigger happy with news that you wanna get out there and might not be entirely right if that's racism.

But he speaks so glowingly of other people, I mean obviously I have to understand that he's speaking to me and in that case, he's doing a sort of press thing to an extent, but I spent a couple of days with him out in this hidden location that we went to, my friend Richard Granan came with, he's the narcissist expert and he's also interviewed Tommy Robinson, he's got Tommy on his new channel, the strongest argument on YouTube, so check that out.

And it was a nice, well, it wasn't a holiday, really. I was gonna say a holiday where Richard and I chilled out in the pool, but it was one of those things where I did plan that, we were planning to maybe do some paddle tennis or something. By the time you sort of get up and you do all the interview, you arrange everything, we had no, you're back at the airport before you know it. So we did spend a couple of nights, but I didn't get time to actually do any socialising.

And that's not what this was about, this was about me interviewing Tommy Robinson, I got sidetracked by the handsome Richard Granan in this intro. The point being, I couldn't find stuff that was racist, he didn't say over there, he's not somebody who has spoken out against black people or Jews, in fact he's very much, as you'll hear in this audio interview, in favour of both. He grew up in a very mixed area, he just has an issue with Islamism, and we've covered that quite a lot on this podcast.

It, you know, there has to be a point at which we go, okay, maybe it's not racist to actually ask if this is a bit dangerous as the population grows and grows in the United Kingdom and in Europe. So see what you think, this is a long one, it's a couple hours long, and you don't have to agree with everything Tommy says, and you might be suspicious of some of the stories or whatever it is, but is this guy the face of racism? Is that right that he is the David Duke of the UK?

Does that seem right to you? And if not, why, why does he have that reputation and what is really going on? So I leave you now with Tommy Robinson, you can follow him on X, Tommy, it's Steve Robinson, new era, you can also, if you want this journalism to continue and you want to support it and you want to get my emails and all those things, you can sign up for free or the paid membership on Andrew GoldhairedX.com. I'll see you at the end. Tommy Robinson, welcome to the show. How are you?

I'm very good, thank you, how are you? I'm good, thanks. Bloody hell, why is Tommy Robinson on the run? Why not? It's nice weathery. Yeah, where are we? We are, no, I don't want to say where we are, but we, am I on the run? I face prison when I return to the UK. Well, in fact, I'll be honest, I don't know what I face when I return to the UK.

What we've seen, the tyrannical measures of the government have weaponized the judiciary and the media in the last four weeks after the riots as they described them across the country, putting people in jail for means, putting people in jail for saying, Allah, who the fuck is Allah? One lad got eight months, putting the lad in jail for saying, who streets our streets? He got two years eight months for saying that, who streets our streets? We've seen a total attack on the British public.

That's why there has been trouble. There has been some people who are justifiably been putting jail, but there's also been an attack on freedom of speech. It's been an attempt by the government to intimidate the country into silence. Over their failures. It's interesting about the freedom of speech because I don't know where I stand because some of them, I thought that, and they've looked up and they've actually been saying, let's go burn the mosque. Where'd you stand on that?

Should we be able to say that? No, you shouldn't be able to say that. Any incitement of violence, we have strict laws. Incyement hatred and incitement of violence, we don't need any more censorship. We already have laws in place of human in place for decade to prevent incitement of violence or incitement of racism and any of these things. If you're incitement of violence and you're being a racist, yes, you deserve to be punished by the law. But many of the cases we've looked at, haven't.

For example, one lad who got sent to prison for sharing means, one of the means he shared was men getting off a boat and running onto a beach. Obviously, Islamic men coming into his country and he said, what about when it lands on your doorstep? The other mean he shared was jihadists on Westminster Bridge with Knife. Well, we've seen jihadists on Westminster Bridge with Knife. Look at Ricky Javais made that sort of joke as well on stage. He said a lot of lads coming in on.

They a lot of the lads, these refugees and migrants, all the lads coming over. Isn't that nice? And he's made that same joke. Imagine Javais being arrested. Well, they won't go for the high profile ones. Like they won't go for who's the law of the rings lady? Er, who's the law of the rings lady? No, not the law of the... Harry Potter? Harry Potter lady, sorry. Uh... Oh, no. Roll them. Yeah, Javais. Javais. So Javais have come out and we'll you breach the laws that they're brought in place.

But these laws are to intimidate the wider public and they'll use them when they want to use them, against who they want to use them against. And what we've seen in the recent trials was that most of the people pled guilty to crimes they hadn't committed because they're intimidated. I'm making a documentary now with interviewed families, with interviewed mothers, the wives of these men, one gentleman who said who streets are streets whilst waving his England flag.

When they sat him down in an interview, they showed him a picture of his wife at their demonstration and said, Evie, hold your hands up, basically, or we're going to nicker. He's got a newborn baby. We'll go and arrest her. Yeah? So yeah, we'll stand up. They give him two or eight months. What is behind this? Why are they going around? Why do they want to curb free speech so much?

Uh, because if we're allowed free speech and we're allowed non-sensorship on platforms like X, the public get to see the government's failures and policy failures. For example, there were troubles at the hotel in Tamworth. What they don't tell you is there's been repeated instance of children being approached by the migrants in the hotel in Tamworth. A migrant left the hotel in Tamworth from Palestinian English women. They don't talk about that. Yeah?

So they want you to believe that these people are out on the streets and they're angry because they're far right. Whereas in reality, I've researched and found ten migrants who have been placed in hotels who have gone on to re-penglish women. Okay? So many circumstances. One, well, they don't tell you. They were troubling Hartley Paul. And all the newspapers called them far right. The Kierstarmakall's from far right.

A migrant who we paid for to come into this country, we housed him, we clothed him. He left the hotel in Hartley Paul. He pulled out a knife and stabbed a British man to death, walking down the street, four guards are. His words were, it was a terrorist attack. He probably didn't read about it because they suppress a lot of these things. And he crimes. So incidents like this, and not just like this, why were the people in Bournemouth protesting?

Well, maybe Kierstarmakall, because you allowed a migrant to go into school. He said it was 14. You put him in school at 14 years old. And there was questions about his age from the school as well. And from parents. He went on to sexually harass girls in the school. He went on to chase another pupil of a knife in the school. It turns out, because he then goes into the town center, a year or two later, and he stabs a royal marine to death.

Now, when the home office do their investigation into this one migrant, one, yeah. We find out that he shot two people dead of an AK-47 on the way to break Britain in Serbia. So he's a murderer. And we find out he was 20 years old, not 14. So a murdering adult migrant criminal, you put into school in Bournemouth. Yeah. You housed him in school. Again, we paid for him. We housed him. We clothed him. We fed him. He went on to murder a royal marine, a gentleman's only son.

So that family, a probably pitied angry Kier with the home office. As are the entire community and the town Kier. And then, how many of us have we had by migrants on Bournemouth? In the beach. Sexually assaulting goes into the sea. That's how people are angry, not because Tommy Robinson. They're angry. And again, if you've got your computer there, let's do it. Put in a... I don't have internet.

Okay, migrant leads, if you're watching this, a bit of brings up, it will bring up a woman who went jogging who was refugee. If you want to pick any city in this country, I'm going to show you, we're going to go through this on a new film. Pick any city. Put in refugee... It will bring up a refugee from someone. Do you think part of the issue might be that we've got an aging population. We can't support the older people. They need to do something.

So they have to bring in more younger people from abroad. And the only alternative would be to encourage people to have more children and have larger families, people who are already here. But they have to bring people in then to be able to support the economy. And they don't want to have to deal with the issues that you're describing right now. They just want to go, no, no, don't think about it. That's why they're curving free speech.

I think that if this argument that I heard Angela Merkel try and argue, they're not working when they come in. They rely on say, as are their children. And many immigrants are working. No, we see that many Muslim immigrants are not working. 50% of the women on benefits. We see when you look at... Just look at the statistics there are for us to look at. If that was the argument, bring in Filipinos. Bring in Hindus. Bring in Sikhs.

If this was the argument, Sikh community have come to this country as migrants. They're the biggest proportion of house owners, the biggest proportion of business owners, the biggest proportion of contributors to society. They're a success story. If your argument was this, then bring in a community that will integrate assimilate. Still be proud to be Sikh, still be religious, but accommodate Britain and love Britain. But rather than declare war on it.

Whereas what we're seeing is, say for example, Afghani migrants. Again, we look at this in the film. Any success story, so BBC Yorkshire run a success story on this Afghan migrant, who's the perfect migrant. He's joined the local cricket team. Wow, great. He's brilliant. He went on to become a woman. Yeah. This is these are your success stories. So BBC then did, which too late because we've archived your stories, just delete the story.

And they give us another story in Newcastle with another great migrant. Oh, here's a great migrant. Look, he was persecuted in his country, really. He led the grooming gang in Newcastle. Yeah. Your refugees. And this is to Kierstarma and to any politicians that want to label these people as far right. They're angry because of your policy failures. You have bought people into their towns and cities.

And those people that you've bought in, and a judge condemned one of the lawyers, a judge condemned him because he said, I don't want my tax pay and money going to house these people pissed across our country. And he was condemned as a bigger. Well, what he say is right. Our tax pay and money, every one of you watching this is tax pay and money, is going to accommodate, facilitate and house, men who many of them have declared war on this nation. Many of them will not integrate or simulate.

Many of them are not here to integrate or simulate. They're here to dominate. The aggression that people are seeing with their own eyes in their own towns and cities. It's there for everyone to see. And the, see, it's like, look, our government have managed to, people took to the streets in most towns and cities. Yeah. Many towns and cities are fear, are concerned. Women fearful for their daughters, fathers fearful for their daughters. The government haven't once addressed any of the issues.

They haven't even spoke about the issues. They haven't spoke about migration. They haven't spoke about the fact that all the hotels are full. They haven't even looked now. You can't know the energy or the heating bill heating for old age pensioners. Well, sending £8 billion to Africa for climate change.

But before we go more into Islam and the issues that we face, I think it's important to address the many Muslims, and I've heard you speak about this as well, who are peaceful, who do want to integrate with this country. What message would you have for them? Unfortunately, they're irrelevant in the discussions we're talking about. With 40,000 Muslims on a terror watch list in the UK. What are the majority of the peaceful Muslims doing about it? What did they do about the grooming scandal?

What can they do? What did they do about the grooming scandal? Not one of them reported. Not one single instant. But they'll be killed. That's the problem. Because of Islam. But these are teachers. I have M. FIFA Muslims who want freedom. I believe every Muslim child born in this country should have freedom. We have 55,000 British Muslim girls who have had their females, who have had their generals mutilated. 55,000, they should be protected by British law. They haven't been.

They've been failed by British law. I wish for every person in Britain to experience true freedom. A Muslim girl doesn't get to experience true freedom because she'll be killed. Probably by a mum and probably by a dad and a uncle. Many times. I understand and I can speak of this from experience growing up in Luton. Yes, I have many Muslims I grew up with who are wonderful people. And great lads. Great lads. Great families.

But they're irrelevant in stopping this problem because they're not even allowed to talk about a problem. Because under Islamic scripture, they can't side with a non-Muslim over a Muslim. Which anyone wants to look this up, is the reason we had grooming scandals in every town in the city. We had a thousand victims in Telford alone. Five children. Five have been murdered in Telford. Robram had one thousand, if we just look at these two towns. Robram had one thousand four hundred victims.

How many Muslims in that town reported to the authorities or to the police? They knew their colleagues, their uncles, their brothers, their cousins were keeping kids. Not one in the whole country. Not one single case of a Muslim going to the police and reporting these gangs. Not one. Why, as I say, it's a risk. I mean, I remember speaking to Yasmin Muhammad. And we were talking about the difference between Jews and Muslims. Because you get a lot of atheist Jews.

You get a lot of Jews who don't believe in the scriptures and things like that. And I said, but aren't they atheist Muslims? And she said, that's a dead Muslim. She's hundred percent right. Yeah, that's a Muslim who, I feel so badly for, say, the people who leave Islam or don't actually believe in it. Because they're trapped. Like, I can speak and I have absolute admiration for ex-Muslims who have left Islam.

Because whatever I've done in my life, I've spoken a lot, of course, controversy, of course, my family problems. But my family have never isolated me. If a Muslim comes out and says, I don't believe in this, they're kicked from the family, the community, everything they've grown up in their whole world is just gone. So I really feel and admire the bravery of the ex-Muslims. Do you know, and I'll give you a story, I was in a place, a village outside the loom.

And I'm walking out of the car and this woman said, oh my God, Tommy. And there's an agent go. I said, yeah, she goes, please come back to my house. Please, please, please, please, I only live up here. Please come back to my house. This is random. What's happening here? So I said, what's going on? She goes, please, she's been hiding there for 10 years. She's from the next town up. So I went back to her house where she had a boyfriend who was an English lad.

And she said, Tommy, I'll follow everything you're doing, man. I was brought up a Muslim, I bought up in this town, which is 10 minutes from Luton. I've been hiding here for 10 years. My family will kill me. Where's the support mechanism for ex-Muslims? Where's the safehouse for ex-Muslims? Where's the government strategy to save people? We have government well-funded strategies to save people who get involved in far right part. They get safe houses.

They can get new identities to get them out of these groups. What about these? Who are being killed? There's more cases of Onakilins and people living in fear and apostates being murdered. The punishment to leave Islam is death. But again, to stress the point which I know you started with, I am not saying every Muslim is a problem. I don't want to deport Muslims from the UK. I have a problem with the teachings of Islam. I think they need to be addressed. I separate the issues.

I separate the people who follow Islam from Islam. If you hate an individual person, then it's wrong to hate individual people. But you are within your rights to criticize Islam, to look at the teachings of Muhammad, to talk and have a discussion about who Muhammad was. We need to have that discussion. If we've got four million people in Great Britain who believe he's perfect, we need to know who that man was. And he wasn't Jesus. And he didn't say Tonya Vacheek.

That's where we've got the problems from. So it's important. The reason I asked about the maybe secular Muslims or Muslims who don't agree with a lot of this stuff is because I think many might be watching. And they want to feel that they may be embraced by you. They are in base for me. But when I look at a lot of the, I'm just making a crash saying that. That's when I say they're irrelevant. The majority of Germans were Nazis. I think they took power at 10%. Is that right?

I think I believe 10%. So what did the majority, were they relevant? They weren't relevant. Were they? People didn't separate. And it's like they're not stopping it. So we cannot, as a country, see it and expect or rely on the moderates in that community to deal with this problem. We have to deal with it. The moderates in the community are not going to stop the islamization of Great Britain.

The money, the funding from Saudi Arabia, from Qatar, from the Muslim Brotherhood, all these groups which are growing. And we've a lot of people have seen, especially since October 7th, the power and influence they have on the next generation. We can't rely on the moderates. And I do, and again, I will say, because I've met some fabulous, some of the best people I've met in my life have been Muslim. Some wonderful.

And in fact, people only get to see the negative things that happen in the street with me. In my day to day when I'm in England, I have some brilliant conversations from Muslims, who don't, and people probably see me getting shown hate or violence. That's not what, that's not the majority. It's not even a 10%. That's good to hear, though. That's good to know.

I have some fact, in fact, Muslims per se up until the government tried to, tried to put a target on me to say, I didn't skate into the tax against mosques. Things had settled down with the Muslim community massively for me. Insigated to tax against mosques. A tax. A tax. Yeah, the government, here's Morgan sat on TV and said that I had organised an instigated a tax against mosques in the recent riots. No evidence of that. No proof of that.

In fact, the evidence and the proof shows that I'd called for calm. Told people to put down the bricks, take the balaclavs off, stop the violence. Everything I'd said had been against violence, but the government just wanted to use their propaganda of their media to tell the entire world that I was the man behind the mosque. Did you repost as many people did? The allegations that it was a Muslim who had done the stabbing. No, no, I didn't. I didn't. Again, they said I did.

And again, I just used chatGTP and asked them. So, sit and do chatG's mean, say, did Tommy Robinson ever do this? And they come out and say, no. Getting in credit card debt is so easy. Getting out. Well, the system's set up so we don't. If you're struggling with credit cards, personal loans, collections or medical bills, you need to check out PDS debt. PDS provides a service to match you with debt solutions tailored to your financial situation.

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I grew up, because I wanted to find anything. I grew up, and you were the name, you were Voldemort, if anyone didn't know, that's Harry Potter reference. But you were like the worst name ever that anyone could ever have. And it wasn't even a conversation to be had. It was just like, well, that guy is the bad guy. There's been a change obviously recently in public perception of you. But are you a racist? I'm an anti-racist, always have been. I'm from Luton Town, okay? It was simple.

I've never seen racism. I've seen religious tensions. But if you were in Luton Town and say a white lad made a racist comment, it get banged out by other oil ads. Growing up. I can't always be like, there must have been some racist people. Not there, not showing it in Luton. In fact, like we have this discussion in my school group chat. I'm in the school group chat, okay? It's Popridge 1999. I'll comment on all the time. We had a bit of a fallout within the group chat over Black Lives Matter.

When Black Lives Matter hit off, it was difficult to have an open discussion. In fact, I realized how well Muslims take criticism in comparison. When I tried to talk against Black Lives Matter, I thought, you know what? Jesus, I've been hammering Islam for years, per se. The majority of Muslims say what, Tommy? When I see them. And they're lads. And lads as well. You'd be surprised by the reaction I received by many Muslims.

And Muslims even, I've walked through London with recently, he was shocked. I was in London, I come out, I've probably stopped by three Muslims. They embraced me. What's going on Tommy, man? And I haven't said I'd agree with you. I have someone come up to me. I had some big gang, gang, gang lads in London. Big lads walked through town, 40, here we go. He come over, he put his hand down, he squeezed my hand, he goes, I don't like you at all Tommy. I respect you.

I respect you, you stand for what you believe in. And I don't believe the Muslim community, they're not right. They're not right. In what I'm saying. When I talk about Islam, they're not right. They know I've assessed Islam. I understand what it is. I understand the power of the ideology, I understand the brotherhood of it. I understand the dominant nature of it, the supremacy of it. And so there's no confrontation to have with me. I'm saying what it is.

I don't want to leave at the point, but I mean there were some racist people. I think that the idea of racism is exaggerated in this country. There's so many racist. But even if just 1% of the society is psychopaths or they must have some people who are racist. Were there racists in the English defense league? Yes. Was it a racist organisation? No. There was golfers in the English defense league. Wasn't a golf society. So are there racists in the metropolitan police force?

Yes. Is it a racist organisation? No. Are there racists in the Labour Party far more than they were in the English defense league? The Labour Party is, I'll say, the most racist political organisation is. The most anti-Semitic full of hate political party we've ever seen. Far worse than the BMP. In my eyes, the Labour Party. Well, those were the two that were held by an independent assessor to have been racist BMP and Labour Party. But the BMP is very far more Labour Party.

Labour and BMP, Nick Griffin and Jeremy Corbyn. Yeah, basically. Jeremy Corbyn is far more dangerous than Nick Griffin. Yeah, because no one takes Griffin seriously. Nick Griffin has never been censored on any social media. Nick Griffin, who is now an out-notcy, an out-not white supremacist, an out-not Jew-haired, an out-not all the things that he's open about. He's what people think you are. No, he's what the media tried to make me. He's what the media.

There's no evidence to ever, in fact, from the start of my activism, from our very first demonstrations, we had banners black and white unite. Muslim no problem, extremist Muslim big problem. National Front Go To Hell. We had Islamic extreme. On the first ever United people of Luton rally, we had National Front Scum Go To Hell. We chased the National Front out of our town when they turned up. Luton's football hooligan demographic, which is what we were part of, is always been very diverse.

Very diverse. The men I aspired growing up to, looking up to with Redlock Raster, respected men in the town. Luton has never had that. So I'm not from a predominantly white area, or a predominantly white city. I'm from a very diversity, and most of the people I love aren't white. And most of the lads I know, so I've had a big experience here. They're English. And they've got people telling me, they're not English.

When I've started my movement, and I'm going around the country, and he's not English, he's back. Yes, he's fucking his English. He is English, and he loves England. And he loves Britain. And I've got lads of Black lads that have joined the Royal Marines. What are you saying that they've got to go? So I have all this with the F-NATs. The F-NATs hate me. The F-NO Nationalists hate me. I'm a race-straight armist. Zionists. I'm all these different things.

Have you, I spoke at the beginning about, when I grew up, Tommy Robinson's the worst word or name you can possibly hear, have you noticed what I think a lot of people have noticed in just the last few years, particularly I think, it's heating up the last year, a complete change in the way the average person on the street perceives you. Massive change. There's been a mass awakening. What's going on? COVID. COVID. See, when we got de-platform, people celebrated it. They didn't even listen.

I've never been arrested for hate crimes, racist crimes. I've never been questioned on them. What I say is factual. You may not like it, but it's factual. I talk about Islamist factual. I talk about Khranis factual. The problems in the UK, they're factual. I'm not in sight in violence. So I've seen, it was all right when we were getting de-platforms. People liked it, celebrated it. They're all the sun COVID it. Lots of people were questioning it.

And then they saw scientists getting de-platforms. They saw nurses getting de-platforms. And then they saw the lies. Those people who joined the Freedom Movement, who wanted just to have freedom of their own body, they realized they're getting called far right. They're now called antifaxus. They're now called conspiracy theorists. The attacks against them were the same as the attacks against us. You go against any of the mainstream narratives. They're attacking you.

So, yeah, I think I've noticed massively. I get so many messages of people who hated me. And again, I don't, as I said, I was 25 years old. And I was leading the biggest street protest movement, the country scene. I was young. I was angry. Very angry about what was happening. Could we have conducted ourselves better? Yeah, of course we could. Would anyone have listened to us? No they wouldn't. Would you know about the issues we were talking about? No you wouldn't.

Do you think nowadays, in addition to the COVID issue that you raised, do you think it also might be a lot of the things that you predicted seem to be coming true? I mean, we, perhaps when you were talking about this and the percentage of extreme Muslims in this country in the UK was still quite relatively low. People did, he must be a racist, whatever. Now it has, it's risen quite fast. No, I was just, there was nothing special about me. I'd just grown up in Luton.

So Luton was a blueprint for the rest of the country. When Islam becomes dominant, as I said, the peaceful ones become irrelevant. Because they're not going to stop these groomers. They're not going to stop the terrorists. They're not going to be important. But we still have to bring them on side as much as we can. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I agree, but we can't rely on them. They're not going to solve the problem for us. We can't keep funding the Muslim groups. Like, it's insane.

When the grooming scandal hit, Muslim organisations, not non-Muslim organisations, there's a Sikh organisation called Sikhuenis. Who have for 20 years, 30 years, longer than I have. They were on this grooming issue. They were travelling. They have sent, I think, 10 girls. They've relocated 10 girls abroad to save them. And they don't just do with seatgills. A fabulous organisation. Look them up. In fact, the man who runs him, his name's Mohan Singh.

Why first went to a Luton good while at a Luton Sikh temple to listen to him speak about grooming. And he carried on with him to the very first place. To listen to him speak about grooming. And he carried an aura that I've never experienced. When I listened to him talk, I thought, wow, he's a religious man. And there was something very special about him. And the way he spoke. And the connection he had with everyone. And then I travelled to the country, going to Hindu temples and Sikh temples.

To listen and learn about how they're tackling the grooming issue. And what they're doing. And I remember the journalist asked me, I bought a journalist. And he said, what do you think of what's happening? And I said, it's absolutely brilliant for the Sikhs and for the Hindus. Who's doing this for us? Who's educating the world? Because in these temples, they have all the mums and the sisters and the doors. And they're all sat down. And then they give them a seminar for two hours.

And they showed them, this is how they groom you. This is what to expect. This is how they operate. So all the warning signs, the families can see the warning signs. No one's doing that for us. So I remember looking thinking, this is great. But I felt so disheartened that the working class, the white working class are still being targeted. There's no one helping us. And then when the grooming scandal come out, who did the government fund? They funded all the Muslim tax season.

They funded all the Muslim groups. They give them all government funding to report and tackle grooming. The Sikh groups or the other groups, they've never seen any support in this. They do it through their own community donations. Now, Sikh awareness were viewed pretty much similar as English Fence League. Oh, you're blaming on the Muslims because they're historical problems in India.

But when the rover and the scandal broke and the cat got out of the bag with the world and the media, people realized they were telling the truth. He weren't lying. So all the things, as I said, every interview I've ever done will age well. Because I know I've only spoke truth to Mal. I've only spoke fact. I've only spoke about what's going to happen and how it's going to happen. What is going to, because I look at, I mean, is Iran and was it Lebanon? Are they, they failed? They failed.

Well, if you look at what happened, the Lucent, the Red Green Alliance, the alliance of the Islamists with the far left. When I say the far left, I'm not talking about some, the average person who's left wing. Because I don't, left wing politics, healthy, right wing politics, healthy. I think anyone who's stopped will share some parts of left, some parts of the right, which unfortunately now you have to hate each other. That's where we've come into sight.

You have, you have to hate them, they have to hate you. But far left politics, the far left have aligned. And when I say the far left, the staunch communist and Marxists who wish to break the entire system, to rebuild it, they need to break the system. Now, who's going to align with them to break the system? The Islamists. Because they all want to break the system. They want to replace it with Sharia law and they want the communist state.

So as we saw in Lebanon and history, why don't we learn from history? Iran as well. Iran. Who, so the left, so anyone listening, the left aligned with the terrorists and the jihadists. And they work together to bring down the system, to break down the country. So what you're seeing on these Hamas demonstrations, okay, is in the communist and Marxist, they're all joined with the Islamist, they're all friends, all of a sudden. And the far right, the Nazis, they all come together.

They all hate Jews, they're all together. They're all like Nick Griffin sitting around table and muslim radicals now all laughing at that. Because they hate the Jews. So they're all coming together. And as they come together, as they didn't leave them, as they didn't want, they overthrow. And who gets killed first? The left. Yeah. They killed them all, you fucking morons. They're going to execute you. You're siding with people who despise you. Jihad is not just for Jews.

Jihad for every non-Muslim, including you lot. You're communist Marxist, not. It's like, you have something, you have you not looked at history? If you're not learning a single thing, there's 55 countries in the world. 45 countries in the world. Islam has come into as a minority. And then it's dominated and it's caused war. Not one single country in our history. There is peacefully coexisted. Ever. Why do you think Europe's going to be any different? You morons. Afghanistan.

99% of the Muslims in Afghanistan want to be a law. What do you think? 100 of them come to the border and they leave it behind. They come into the country, as you'll see in our new documentary, and they bring those intolerant, medieval views of women with them. Don't leave it. And then when you allow the funding to come from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Qatar are the biggest exporters in the world. Qatar, who houses Hamas' leaders.

Qatar, who sat there and is given nearly a billion pounds to Islamist, radical organisations throughout Europe to grow the mindset of Islam. To take over. It's funded. I remember I went for, Al Jazeera is the mouthpiece of Qatar. I went for an interview at Al Jazeera. To get into a building, you have to go through passport, style, airport, style, security. There was a terrorist attack the week before. And I sat down and said, you cheeky bastards.

You are causing all this terrorism, your country, your funding, you're doing all this and then you're sitting in here, you're palatable, you're security. Well, we're out walking the streets waiting for the next year had attack that you played your part. They orchestrated Iran, Qatar, orchestrated the attacks in October 7th. They've orchestrated time and time again, jihad across Europe. And it's not going to stop. It goes up every year.

As the Islamic demographic increases, the birth rate increases, the demographic, the open border immigration, the more Islam, the less freedom. And then we even make a decision. Do you want any Islamic Europe or do you want a Christian Europe? Do you want a Europe that looks a bit like it does now? Do you want Britain to look like? I don't want Britain to look like Saudi Arabia. I don't want to. And I will do everything in my power to awaken the public. I'm not saying I can stop it.

I'm my man, but I can awaken people and make sure people understand what the future looks like. And I truly believe that if every British person understood truthfully what the future is going to look for a life of their children in a decade's time, there'll be a revolution tomorrow, a peaceful revolution. But there needs to be. There has to be. There has to be a response to what we see. To what we're seeing is totally against the interests of the British public.

It's against the interests of British people, as in the decisions our government's making, the globalist decisions that they make, the open border mass immigration, the replacement of Europeans, European people. And again, all these conspiracy theorists, no, there's 177 pages, United Nations Document on Population Replacement is planned. They just tried to battle us all off as conspiracy theorists, thinking the majority of you won't take two minutes to research what they're doing.

They're very open about conspiracy. In its traditional form, as far as I'm aware, the idea was that the Jews wanted to bring in Muslims to replace white people. Now that's the far right. The deep held belief, which is insane because if you know any Jews, that's the last thing they want to do. Well, look at the Jews. So basically, I, my, you don't want the Jews to have Israel. You're actually being flooded.

The Jews are the most persecuted people with the hands of Islam because this Saturday, first, and Sunday, killed the Jews and killed the Christians. So the Jews are, my camp fitness book is 7% Jew hatred. The Quran is 11, okay? That's before we even go into the life of the Hamid and we're yet to say other than the Quran, yeah? But I'd say it's the oligarchy, the elite. I wouldn't say it's the Jews and I have this argument all the time. Not all Jewish. Some of them are.

But they're not all Jewish. I looked at the voting patterns or the funding patterns of Hollywood because people say the Jews is Hollywood. So 50% of Hollywood is Jewish, yeah? But out of the, out of Hollywood, 98% of the people funded Democrats. So is it because of Jews? Or is it simply because the other half of Hollywood are pushing the same agenda? Or is it because of their left-leaning views or their ideological view of what they want? I wouldn't say it's to do a Judaism.

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Just get the link in the description there below. You can see it on screen now as well. Or scan the QR code. Are you funded by Mossad? Never had Mossad if you're watching. Give me some money, man. I'm fucked. I'm currently fucked. So I had this... I mean, do you know what they say? They say that I was funded by Zionists. I worked for Rebel Media in 2015. It was certainly a decade ago. Rebel Media received funding from a gentleman called Bob Schumann.

I've never met Bob Schumann. Never had a discussion. He's a tech billionaire apparently from the United States. So he used to donate to Rebel Media. I worked for Rebel Media. I got $5,000 or whatever a month from Rebel Media. That's my wage. So do you receive money from advertisement on YouTube? Are you fucking... You're funded by the Jews? Because who owns YouTube? Two Jewish Zionists. Yes. To the alphabet company. But the two main men.

So this is the argument. So two those people who say I'm funded by Jews because I receive money off Rebel Media. Anyone who receives an advertisement off of YouTube, you could say the same argument. Obviously I agree as ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. But have I... I've spoke up. So since my formation in the English Fence League, I was growing up. I remember growing up in Loon. I was a bit of a little shit when I was a kid.

Just a normal kid. I remember there was a Jewish confident in Lili of Orthodox Jews. I remember we used to go over there as kids. I remember going over there and we had flare guns. We had fire and flares up in the sky. And my mate said, my mum and dad would be so proud of me. My mum looked at me. My mum and dad had killed me if they knew I was over here. We were trying to get chases. But we were trying to get chases off everyone. And then we were trying to get chases as kids.

We were trying to get people chases. He's probably not bringing them up. He's probably looking at Richard Grady from Liverpool. He knows what I'm talking about. He's posh than he looks. Kids try to get chased. That's kids. You're trying to get trouble and get a chased. Grady's a secret posh. We used to call it getting a chase. That's a kid. So you go out and you just have a laugh or you're fro eggs and you get chased.

So we were down there and I looked at my mate and I said, what do you mean your mum will be proud of you? You're a Jews. I was like, yeah, what do you mean your mum will kill me if you're not down here causing trouble? What do you mean your mum will be? And then because they hate the Jews. He's a Muslim lad. Mum's a Muslim. So I learned lots of things. Then there was Jews remembering the Holocaust in Luton.

And this Al-Majradi group who I ended up confronting, the terrorist group, who we end up confronting, they turned up in their hundreds and the Jewish family had to lock himself inside the town hall. They had to barricade the doors because all these radicals were trying to get to these Jewish families remember the Holocaust. So I looked at all this. The main Islamic Jihadist center is the Luton Islamic Center. It used to be the synagogue. So I'd watched all the odd scene here.

I'd listened to mates. I'd grown up without heard the anti-Semitism at school. I'd heard the Jew hatred. So when I started the English Fence League and I remember seeing some Jews once. All the docs Jews walk through Luton with police. I'm driving through a fort. That's weird. And I thought, fuck, they need police to walk with them. Because they couldn't walk through the town. They wouldn't be able to walk through town looking like that. So all these things helped me.

And then I looked at Israel. I looked at the seven day war, six day war, whatever. I looked at what the Islamic radicals who governed the country surrounding Israel said. They basically told the Jews, we're taking your wives. When we win this war, your wives and daughters are ours. We're whipping them. They told them. They made it public. We're coming for your women as slaves. Because that's anyone who wants to know Islam. That's allow. Yeah, you're allowed to do that.

They're allowed to come in and take all the women as sexual slaves. So Israel was faced. And then that's always route. It has two million Arabs, two million Muslims in it. That can become part of government. That can become politicians. We keep hearing about this apartheid state. So I went to Israel. I looked at all this. I thought it was bullshit. Islam is a democracy surrounded by totalitarian, sharia-driven shitholes. How are you going to deal with that?

How are you going to deal with that as a country? They are called to on the Hamas manifesto. So remember, Hamas is like the Labour Party. Not much difference to be honest, yeah. But Hamas in their political manifesto that got them elected by the majority of Garsens said the final day of judgment does not come till every Jew is dead. Didn't say every Zionist. Doesn't say every Zionist. This is in their manifesto. Every Jew is dead. How do you negotiate with that?

And when they say the majority voted for Hamas, the rest of the population voted for Fowl. There's another terrorist group. What are we talking about? How would you negotiate with that? What would you do? I know what I'd do. I know what I'd demand my government done. I know what I'd do. And in fact, they do everything. Like, it keeps me in a bad genocide. So I went to Israel. And I spent time in Israel. And when I was in Israel, I paid young Muslims.

I met young Muslims. And I paid them to take me. So when you go to Israel, they have all do not go past here. You know, you've got all big signs. No. Dangerous. Don't go here. So I went to Israel for, that's where I want to go. I want to go there. So I looked up this fatar control, terrorist control, refugee camp. And I met some young Arabs. They didn't know who I was. And I was a woman mate from school, Dean, Blackladd. His parents from Jamaica. And he loved history.

So I said, come on me, let's go to Israel. Let's go see what it's about. Let's really go there. And we went there. And then I said, right, Dean, I've sorted it. We're going into the refugee camp. He's like, we're not. I said, he goes, I ain't coming to get killed. Like, I know you're mad, but I haven't come here for this shoot. I said, bruh, listen to me. And I'm quite persuasive, anyway. So I said, imagine we go there and we have a day in the camp. And we spend all day there and we find out.

And we see what, imagine how fascinating it's going to be. And we're going to taxi them. And I've done a little video. And I said, right, I'm in the back of the car. We're in the car, we're on the way into a Terry's control refugee camp. Fucking man. I said, we're going to go see what's going on. And I'm in this camp. And there's videos of us in this camp. And as we walk around the camp, I'm playing football with the kids, man, and my heart played for them as well.

But the Muslim Lads who got me in there didn't know who I was. So I was like, what, what, what? I went to the camp and I said, let's go out. I was like, I don't know what I was. I was like, what, I was like, what, what, what? What, what I was like? What, what, what, what, what I was like? So the Muslim lad who got me in there didn't know who I was. And I kept saying to him, who's oppressing you? I expect in Israel, the Palestinian Authority. Who's the Palestinian Authority?

I didn't know nothing. Who's the Palestinian Authority? They govern us. And then he said, what you have to understand is Stephen, you know. And on the outside of the walls of all their properties is the murals of the people who have left that camps and the families. So when you're outside the house, there's a massive picture of this woman. And she blew up a bus in Israel. She was a suicide bomber. But this was her house. So I found it all fascinating. These are heroes to this camp.

They're heroes. The children have been brought up to see these as martyrs. The children have been brought. And then he corrected. So he said, the Palestinian Authority pay, her family would have been paid for the rest of their life. So whoever comes out of this camp and kills his Rayleigh. And I said, so anyone who leaves here and goes, kills a Jew in his Ray, he said, no, he corrected me, not a Jew. And he's Rayleigh. Wow. I was like, they don't even have to kill a Jew.

They can kill a Bedium Muslim. They still get the reward. So then I said to my mate, we were always told better close-action in the UK is because of poverty. Look at these kids, man. They've got nothing, bro. I said, where's the park? There is no park. What do you mean there's no park? And his words, we've had two times more money in Germany and add off to the World War. We have a villa. We can all have a mansion.

We will always be refugees because it benefits the Palestinian Authority for us to be refugees for the money to fund the war against the Jews. And he sat and he was very open about it. And he didn't mention his Rayleigh once. And he said that the Palestinian Authority pressed us. We need free information. His words never give money to free Palestine. Never. We don't get it. And I'm going through. And I'm thinking, fuck an old man. This is so interesting for me.

And I looked at my mate as we were in their old day. I'm playing football with the kids and the kids were lovely and they all went around with toy guns. And they've got nothing. I wanted to give them money. I said afterwards, it works. They bring politicians to these camps. They show them the squallar, the kids, the families. You want to help them. Yeah. You know, I open them. You're open to mess. You're open to billionaires, that fucking guitar. So I've gone through this.

And then I said to my mate as we were walking around, I said, what do you reckon? He goes, fucking great, man. Because we was in there. And then there was some Bedium, Ned machine guns. So I've got, I've got at this time, I'm wearing, I love Israel, teacher. Fucking bad. I'm wearing, I love Israel, teacher. And I went over and I'm asking them all, Trump had just got elected. So that's when it was. Trump had just got elected.

I said, lad, what do you think about, they'd think I'm a tourist wanting to know a question. What do you think about Trump's election? And they said, yes, we need strong man. America must be strong man. I said, really, I didn't expect that either. And everywhere I went, I was on the Go-Land Heights in the war's going off. So you can see the bombs, yeah. I'm on the Go-Land Heights.

And there's argument about the Go-Land Heights, because Israel took control of the Go-Land Heights, because it's a fucking up, it's up high. And the Muslims were using it to barricade them. So they had to, they could, but they've took control of the Go-Land Heights. And I said to this Muslim, lad, what's it like living here in Israel for you? What's the matter? He goes, I love it. It's okay.

And I'm trying to push him to say some negative stuff, to get some negative, and he looked at me and he said, it's the other day, and the bomb's going off. He goes, where do you think I want to be over there? He goes, I pray five times a day. And I was asking about Islam in Israel, how is it for you in Israel? And everything I thought I knew, it's opposite. It's a fucking opposite. And even down to, you know, we get shown this big war.

I expected the prison, guards as a prison, an open air prison, five star hotels, but I was expecting this big open air prison. And they, all the time on the news, as I was growing up, and I ever heard about Ham at Palestine and the conflict, they show you this war with terrorists. Terrorist on, this big, massive war. It's about 10 meters long. It's fucking not, it's at that wall, it's 10 meters long. It's no wall. It's no wall around it. There's about a two-mile gap.

And then there's fences, and there's a big border, because we climbed a, there was an army turret. So, I've gone to Israel, as I've gone in, as I said, I've walked the camp, I've done all this with this ladder, really liked him. He, I've related with him more than anyone I've met in that trip, the Jews. I've related with this Muslim lad. He just seemed like he could have been from Luton. And then when I sat down, when I got back to Israel, I put cameras on him.

And I said to him, can I tell you who I am? I said, if you heard of things Fensley, he said, yes. I said, my name's Tommy, I've found a thing Fensley. And he looked fucking furious. He looked furious, but we had already, by that point, we'd had a good day together. And we got on really well. And he said, why? Why? I said, I've just risked my life. I'll be dead if they knew who I wasn't there. And then I said, because I had to hear it from you. And what I've heard has totally shocked me.

I had to hear your story as a Muslim in a refugee camp, fourth generation refugee. Your kids are going to be fifth. He said it, my kids will be fifth generation. There's will be sixth. Now, the only way out for him, that's what I said to my mate Dean, you do, I'll do anything for my kids, wouldn't you? In a desperate situation. So the only way out for these refugees is to go kill Israeli. Really?

So they know if you had the whole conflict a bit different as well, because I'd always blame it on Jihad. A lot. Otherwise, the Jihad is the sole reason. They're not really as large. In fact, these are mercenaries. Many of these men might not even believe in it, but their families are getting rescued by killing someone or attempting to kill someone. So all of that. And then we went out and we climbed up on a, there's an army turret. There's on the border of the Gaza Strip.

There's army turret, so we've gone up there. That's what fuck, man. It's what we've gone through. And again, it says, don't go here. So we've climbed up this army turret and we've got a lens camera with, and with the Muslim that, we're zooming in. And he said, there's a mass. So you know, like you see ISIS in all the flat backs. So they're in flat back trucks doing their own border, so they've got their own border security for where Gaza Strip is.

So they're going up and down and then they've stopped and they're looking at us and we're looking at them. So I was like, he goes, they're looking at us. And I said, they're looking at us and I said, fucking whankers. They're saying, we're swearing a mass up on an army turret and then these radio army come from everywhere. Whom? They come screeching in like, what the fuck are you doing? I said, we're swearing a mass. And they're like, you're going to get shot. Get down.

And then when we get down they grilled us. Like the Israeli army did. They're angry. Yeah, proper angry. I guess we've risked them with wrist air safety as well. We're stupid. But it was a fascinating trip. I went to Israel with all these expectations and of course there's problems. There's going to be problems. But I felt safe in Israel. Israel's a whole thing resort. Anyhow, go tell a V-man. It was great. It was wonderful and felt safe the whole time.

You're not being paid by the Israeli tourist board. No. That's one, no, but this is what people say. People say it. And anyone who criticised me and I said, have you been there? Have you ever spoke to a Muslim that lives in Israel? Because there's two million of them. Have you ever been to a refugee camp? Do you even fucking know what you're talking about? What you're talking about? Propaganda, Iranian proxy army on our streets.

You're pushing the propaganda of Iran, of Qatar, of Hezbollah, of Hamas. Look at the money they have. So anyone who criticised me, that's all we have been there. Just shut up. I get the same thing told that I'm being backed by whoever. And I react the same way as you. They want to give me some money. Give me some money. I mean, caught, I got 130 grand bill on the 28th, 29th of October. So please.

The idea that Mossad would be so, so sloppy as to approach a couple of YouTubers who could easily just take it. Which I don't know why they said it about me. Because when I went to Israel, you can buy Mossad teachers. Yeah. So I bought a Mossad teacher from a tourist shop. When I went to New York, I bought a, I love New York Police Department teacher. I will not in the New York Police Department, that's, you know.

And if I wasn't Mossad, the Mossad teacher from a souvenir shop on the golems, heist doesn't mean I'm in Mossad. And essentially, yeah. And at times, so I went with Luke and football hooligans to Tottenham were playing Millwall years ago when I had the EDL. Tottenham playing Millwall, that's a massive game. They hadn't played it for years, yeah. It's a big rivalry. So I love my football. I went with Tottenham. And when I went there, people said, why the hell?

Because I was spotted there, obviously. Why the hell was Tottenham Robinson here? So I just put, because I'm Jewish. No. Just taking a piss. And then- And then- And then when I went, and then Nick Griffin, Griffin was always saying, I'm a Zionist. Now, so when I went to America this time, you know, I'm going to snuck into America. When I went to the conference, I wore an I'm a Zionist badge. I didn't really know what I was on this was. At that time. And I think give a shit.

Yeah. For me, Zionist means you believe in the homeland for the Jews. That's all it means, yeah. I'm a Zionist. Yeah. I'm a Zionist. I don't care. I believe the Jews can have a homeland. There's 55 Islamic nations. Why can't the Jews have one? Why not? It's historically their land. I've done all the tours. I've done all the ways. I went to the dispute, you know, the new, where they build, building on the land. So you've got seven families, they built it.

These are the, these are why we can't have peace apparently. I'm not- I'm not the West Bank. I went there, yeah. I went there and I went onto these. And basically, you've got eight or nine families who have took a bit of desert and they've made it beautiful. Okay. They've put, it's all greenery. It's like they've bought life to where there was nothing. That's why I went there. So I spent time on the camp. I saw everything when I was there. I went to look at every avenue, to every argument.

And as I said, I risked my life to do it, to understand, to come back and understand. And you know what, fascinating me. There's about a thousand young Arab Muslims. They're racing camels. And that's when I got the, and there's a Giza and machine gun there. And I've got the oil, oil, oil, oil, oil, oil, Israel T-shirt. So I said, stop the car, stop the car. So we stopped the car and I got out of the car and I went over to it. Just to watch all these Arabs racing camels and that.

They're still Jews sitting with their skull caps and picnic, yeah? I thought you couldn't do that in London. You couldn't do that in London. There was no animosity between the two groups or the people. There was none. None. Yeah? A Jewish family with a thousand young Muslims in London wouldn't sit in a picnic like that because they get grief, yeah, a guarantee. So it was very different. It works better in Israel. I bet, yeah.

The Muslim, the Muslim Jew thing works better in the state of Israel than it does with thousands of young Muslims than it does in the UK. Tell me about Andrew Tate because did you grow up, is he around the same age as you? Andrew Tate's from Luton, my hometown. So Andrew Tate's from Luton as well. They must be thanking the Water Loon. Yeah. Luton is such a town. What a bad town. Seems like it. Great town. Nice to do, Lee, as well. Stacey Dooly. You can get on to row in a minute, but yeah, sure.

I'm going to Andrew Tate. Nice. We start with Stacey. Do you want to start with Stacey? Why? No, actually, I don't want that to kind of off. You don't want to off? I know Stacey very well. Do you? Yeah, I do. So, okay, well, let's talk about that. We can get on to Andrew Tate in a minute because I saw your speech. So Stacey went to do a documentary about Luton. And you mentioned that in your Oxford speech. Yeah. By the way, were you nervous at all doing that? I would have been shit myself.

I was shit myself. So tell me a bit about Stacey doing it. The reason Stacey is important is because that documentary made, it was on BBC3. It wasn't that long ago. Was it 2012? Was it, I think? Yeah, 2012. Yeah, right. And that, nowadays, I mean, I showed a friend the other day. I said, have you ever seen this in Stacey? I remember watching it at the time. And then she goes through Luton and she's basically being attacked and screamed at by extreme Muslims.

And nowadays, BBC3, BBC in a time for... Well, in that show. Not a million years. Joe, well, I'm not going to even... We've Stacey, because I probably joked a bit earlier. Stacey's from Luton. She went to the school my wife went to. Next wife went to. I know her. I was best mates with her ex-boyfriend. I grew up with him. Two of her ex-boyfriends. Right. I know her very well. So when she comes to do the documentary, she comes with the BBC producers. We met in a hotel where I stood up twice.

I didn't turn up twice. And I... Sounds like you. Sounds like me. It's because I've fought my wife with be unhappy and me meeting up at Stacey. I really? At the time. So that's why I didn't turn up. Is that why? So I didn't turn up. And then in the end, I thought, no, I need to tell the story. So when I met Stacey, she sat down with the producers. She said, Jack, I know you. You're not racist. I know that. I said, I know Stacey, yeah. Right. She goes, what's going on?

Because she'd left Luton three years prior. Because she got it. Stacey knows it's all. She knows Luton. She knows the problems in Luton. She knows them. And then I had the daily mail about two years ago. You know when things blew up for her and she went on the top of... Dancing. Dancing on ice. And did she run off and add an affair, didn't she? Did she? She ran off with the bloke, I believe, yeah. Whatever. Right. But they... I've got a phone call. They were looking for me in Luton, the papers.

So what do you want? And they heard stories that they wished to run and they wanted me to confirm. And I said, you're trying to ruin her. You're trying to fucking ruin her. I said, I'm not participating in this at all. You're not the zero chance in me commenting. So I shouldn't even judge. The zero chance in me commenting on ruin that goes life, which is what you're now intended to do. For a hate media. A hate media. How does she... Because she seems like a really nice person actually.

But how does she sort of get away with doing that documentary back then? Was it just a different time? And she... She couldn't say stuff like that now. Could she? That she's concerned about Islam? No, she couldn't. Yeah, things... The censorship's gone... It's got worse, isn't it? Look, the people who oppose us, you celebrate our censorship, you celebrate the attacks against us, the cancellation, losing the jobs. The goal posts are continually shifting in what you can and can't say.

Started with open border immigration. You can't talk against vaccines. You can't talk against transgenderism. You can't talk about it. So you may think you're on the right side of free speech now, but at some point you may find yourself on the wrong side. So long as we allow the authorities to dictate what we can and can't say. I'm pro-vaccines, but I respect your right to be able to speak against them if you're concerned about them. Yeah, and ask questions. You know even that's my question.

You know even that's my question. Yeah. Because of my life, I know the system lies, I know the government lies, I know the stitch up it is. So... Poor Ben, yeah. I know the media lies. If they tell me now it's raining, I'll stick my head out and doors to check, because they're fucking lies. Yeah, tell me about... Tell me about Andrew Tate then. So what's his deal? So Andrew Tate, my belief, Andrew Tate created a character, okay? And I've watched him do his whole life.

I've watched him do it since no one knew who Andrew Tate was. Before he was top G, he was Mr Plenty. Before he was Mr Plenty, he was someone else. He always tried this. It's a very clever man and a dedicated man. He become a well champion, boxing out of a gym in Luton called Storm Gym, where the man who I'd say created Andrew Tate is a man called a mere. A Bosnian Muslim lad. Very well respected. Some of my best friends are part of Hit that Gym, they're all non-Muslims.

Everyone just has love for that man, yeah? So there's many of you great man and a great mentor to men. I'll say he transformed Andrew Tate from a quiet kid to a well champion. Andrew Tate is always trolled, the Luton public. He always just can't Facebook, just mind everyone up. I used to watch it. And I'd laugh my head off. And I'll see people biting and hating him. He didn't care. He was controversial before anyone knew he was Andrew Tate. Hit go on, it was Mother's Day.

He said, what'd you do for Mother's Day? Let's tell me what you all done for Mother's Day. If you put your mum flowers, if you sent her chocolates, if you rang up, sent your lover sent her a message, he said, you're a fucking wanker and you're a failure of a son. He said, don't hide that. And I said, my mum, I'll show her any, she said 20 grand, 25 grand. You guys are sent her 10 years wages, 10 years off. It goes, you're all losers, you should be like me.

And I'm crying, I don't know, I just haven't read it. I'm watching everyone go mental because he covered everything everyone had done. He's just taken a piss. He's baiting them, he loves it. He loved it. Right? Before he was co-pertain, he loved it. And then I've watched him talk and I know. So I know who he is and where he grew up and I don't know the circles he was in. I know he's never been involved in drugs or drug dealing, yeah? Or on that level of street life, yeah? I know he hasn't.

But I've seen him talking about it. I thought, what were you doing, brother? Why would you be doing that? But he was creating this persona of a character which would benefit him financially in the long run. So when you're hearing making comments, even about women and girls and how much is true and how much isn't true? Right? How much was to create a persona? Because remember, when he started, he was getting men who struggled with women to pay him to tell him how to be a man.

So he was creating this big image of a man that sometimes I'd say was bravado. But a lot of what now he was saying is now being used against him. He says he's a billionaire. We know he's not a billionaire, yeah? We know he wasn't a billionaire. I said to my son, he's not a billionaire, yeah?

So if he's saying he's a billionaire and it's not true and he's saying this and it's not true, but he has created a very successful character which ended up him being worth tens or if not hundreds or millions of pounds in the end through the bravado character he's built. So and again, I can only talk from people close to Andrew Tate, best friends and people I respect who have grown up with him and known him very well, who all speak very highly of him as a man.

What you don't get to hear is the people he's helped. People don't hear this. I mean, so I know him. Well, obviously I'm strongly opposed to his conversion to Islam, I believe it was a very silly move on his part. I believe he felt trapped. I felt trapped at times. I know that when you come under attack and censorship the way he did is the way I've experienced it myself, but he still had the money. So they couldn't stop him. He had the ability to continue.

I suppose the problem with the idea that him just being a character is the allegations around transportation of women and underage women and also some of his gloating, whether it's real or not has been about underage, like girls, isn't it? Well, I've seen some of the clips recently. Do I believe Andrew Tate? I don't believe. Do I believe that panorama just unhipped piece of it? I don't believe him. Simple.

I don't believe panorama in anything because I've done my own panodrama documentary where I covertly recorded panorama planning and telling people what's about me in interviews. I didn't just, and there's a secret of organisation who have been, who have been pivotal in Andrew Tate's attempted takedown called Hope Not Hate. I know that they pay people £10,000. They liais between the media and the persons, they'll go give a girl 20 grand, then they'll line up BBC to interview the girl.

So BBC's hand to clean. They haven't paid anyone. The problem is you've got two people here, panorama, who might make things up, but also Andrew Tate, who makes things up as well. So we don't know where to who to believe. As for Hope Not Hate, I've got a line they said about you, which I thought you'd find, I mean, I'm sure you've seen it. It's just, it does sum up the hypocrisy here. It's insane. While Lenon, which is your real name, has always been racist, just don't need any of the facts.

No, no quotes. No, no quotes. Has always been racist, just done. That's it. He has overwhelmingly focused on Islamophobia and sought to avoid explicit and overt racism. So sought to avoid explicit and overt racism. So has them in racist, but we know what he thinks. What are, what are, what are the arrogance you'd have to have to write that about somebody? I just, I can't believe it. I would never write something like that. So, Nick Lowell, so if you watch my home, the hate expose a documentary.

I want to say yes, but it's great. Okay. I want to say what. So I got covert recordings of people who are given drugs by home, the hate. I got covert recordings of people who were sexually assaulted by home, the hate. And then members, covert hate are the cabal and the deep state. So when you think of these deep, seedy, dark organizations who manipulate and intimidate and blackmail, that's home, the hate. So what, what, what, so Nick Lowell's, what he does is they say a source.

So any newspapers that quote things against me, it's a source says, to own one that sources was, which I confront Nick Lowell's on. There's a Gambino gang in Loon. I'll talk about it. There's a Gambino gang in Loon. They call the Gambino's, a Pakistani mob, about hundreds of them, right? All, all herendillas and all groomers and piss and, and child groomers and prostiturers. Yeah. That's their gang that you can read about me in national newspapers if you want.

I've clashed with that gang because in 2004, I named them in a newspaper in a leaflet and I confronted again, they're gang, you know, I called them out. And fucking dealing with scumbags in our town. Yeah. You're abusing girls in our town. Right? So we as young football hooligans clashed with these gangs. Okay. As, as Numbaslin, a group who were willing to confront them and their criminality and their destruction of our town.

So when I, so Nick Lowell's traveled to Loon, he sat down with the Gambinos who are heading, dealing drug funding, Taliban support in gangs, you know, all in national newspapers. They were the source. So they sit, they sit, they sit down, so he covers himself legally. So I hope not hate this. What they do, they sit down with groups like that and say, tell us about Tom Rums. And then they sit and say, he done this, he done that, he done that.

And then they say a source close to Robinson from his hometown sits. Oh, I'm dealing Pakistani mob. You mug. That's your source of information. All your source of information is someone you've paint. So I, I done a documentary show on this and went to confront Nick Lowell's. He had made it. What's the footage? Wow. I questioned him. He said, yes, so at least I'm not a drug dealer. So I'm brilliant. What? And then he says, I said, Nick, you create sources.

Then the mainstream media who you work with, now the head of it, Nick Lowell. So an example of this is the recent lawyers. Home or hate, the head of home or hate and all the chairs of it are the Labour government. No joke. Yeah. Look it up yourself. Right? Come out and make a statement Nick Lowell's does saying Muslim women are being attacked with acid. Now the purpose of this and we've got video proof will show you in our documentary. Muslims took to the streets violently with weapons.

Quote in what Nick Lowell's has said, they're attacking our women with acid. So misinformation from a Labour government, NGO, are lying to the Muslim community of the country, get them all up, get them rolled out, get them on streets. Then they pushed that there was a hundred far right racist riots plant. They admit I've got Nick Lowell to admit it. The next day it was all hoax, but they done it.

They rallied the Muslims with the false pretence that the English defense league, which ended 10 years prior, there hasn't been a group. It's a very good, a very good strategic move by Labour and Kierstahn. Yeah. Get the Muslims down. And excuse to impinge on free speech. Get them all out on the street. Get them all good, violent. Yeah. Get them all out and then clamp down. And then they clamp down. Video to clamp down. Get the public, can't say this, the Muslims come out mob-handed.

Don't arrest the Muslims because they haven't. There's been, you've seen all these Dawn Raids and televised court cases for people who said hurt your words on Facebook. Where's the Dawn Raids and the televised things for the Manchester Muslims who attacked the police in the airport who still haven't faced prosecution? What about hair hills and Romanians who went and burned buses and rioted? Where's the televised operation on that?

But the purpose of all of this is where the tools of a totalitarian state are the judiciary, the media. They used them as weapons. There's a facade, so you think you have a justice system. And when they want to turn it on against someone, like they're going to do against me, when I get back to England, I currently face four years in prison for a film. This is the weapon of the state. This is their end in free speech, attacking free speech, intimidating the public.

That was the purpose of what they've done over the last four weeks to intimidate the public into silence. So, but Nick Lowe's, Nick Lowe's, they're nicknicking people for misinformation, for saying the man who killed in Southport was a Muslim. Well, Van Nick Lowe's who said that women were getting attacked with acid, just made it up. And you used that and pumped it down the country. Well, Van Nick Lowe's who said that there was a hundred planned far-right riots and then admitted he hoaxed it.

He was all a hoax. And then the front page of the newspaper, so this was to end the tensions. The front page of every newspaper was the same. So after these hundred riots, there was no planned right. There was one planned demonstration from the public that day and it was an order shot and it run totally peaceful. But they told everyone there was a hundred riots. They, they, when I say they, this is the operation coming from the top down.

The NHS, Dr. Sirtery schools all emailed, every email they've got saying be careful tonight the far right are out. There was no far right. This is total misinformation. These laws they bring in misinformation. Kierst Armani's Scogel. He needs to go jail for the misinformation he gave on the vaccine. Promotion of a vaccine which he knew nothing about. You told people would take it. He needs to go jail.

He needs to go jail for lying about the far right, the, the pre-conceive far right, the riots of the English defencing. There is no English defencing. There's something Hitler did actually with the the Reichstag building was put on fire and it was believed it was a communist who did it or something like that. And it was him. And so we don't even know. No one really knows but they killed the executors in the end, this communist guy who they said it was that person.

But they started saying a communist, they were coming to say, oh no, we've got to start after this fire. We've got to now start introducing hate speech laws. It's a question. So that, which is what's happened now. Instead of the communist, it's the far right. It's the bogeyman. Imagine me far right. Yeah. Imagine me far right. I know. You're in trouble now for, well, am I right in saying it's because it's also complicated these things. Is it about it was a Muslim kid who got beaten up at school?

And then did you say that, oh, he was actually a wrong and the Muslim kid. I'm just thinking now we're going to be able to even show this, like you're talking about it now. You can, yeah. No, I'm going jail for it anyway. Yeah, but I don't want to go for jail for it. But you won't. You're not under an injunction. No, this by breach of injunction, which is this. You know what I mean? It's like, how can I go jail for making a film that's actually correct? Just filmed, directed by Richard Granham.

I just want to make that. Yeah, Richard Granham's day, hand you. I only done what Richard told me to do. Yeah. Any lawyers go straight to Richard. Richard said do it. I've got one more question for you. But first, where can people help out? Where can they find you? Where can they follow you? Well, thankfully, thanks to Elon Musk, which must actually really hurt. I actually take massive pride in this and enjoyment.

Hope not how you have worked tirelessly with a kit of millions of pounds to destroy our voice and our credibility. And we are more credible and louder than ever before. So the mainstream media, the biggest weapon that the establishment have, you haven't worked. It hasn't worked. People hate you not us. You expect them to hate us. You've tried to make them hate us. They don't hate us. They like us. They hate you.

So I believe, so where you can find me and I currently face four years in prison, I will return to the UK. I'm holding a rally on the 26th of October. The purpose of that rally is to show the British public you have rights. It should write to peacefully protest. It should write to freedom for assembly and it should write to freedom of speech. They want to now create fear so you self-sense us. Don't self-sense us. They can't. They do not let them win like this.

Each one of those men who have been imprisoned unlawfully, they are political prisoners right now in Great Britain for their words. They were rightfully angry. We're going to show you in a documentary why come out on the 26th of October and have a joyful festival atmosphere to celebrate Britain. Celebrate what Britain is, celebrate who we are. We are known. It's in our DNA to fight and resist tyranny. It's who we are.

So whether that's tyranny coming from Adolf Hitler or whether it's tyranny coming from Kia Stammer, we will resist it. And we will resist it peacefully in a most peaceful way. And Joe, how do I work? What I'm massive? You that will send to the establishment. It's to be peaceful. Put smiles on your faces. We've got music. We've got comedians. We've got a great film. And then two days later I'll go to jail.

And when I come out of jail, I'll continue to work with my work, my activism, my films with more credibility. So thank you, Kia Stammer. And thank you, the judge who sends me down because you are literally waking more people up than I can ever dream of. You had a fight with an artsy, didn't you? So I had the English Defence League when we said it up. As I said, we said it up off of the ethos of my mindset in Luton. Everyone's welcome. Everyone. Anyone was welcome. So blacks, gays, Muslims.

We had a Jewish division, a Hindu division, a Sikh division, a lesbian and gay division. We had a, what's the far right organisation's dish? They just tried to blank it as far right. You can get this far right. Our core problem. And I didn't even want to sway into immigration if I'm honest. When I had the English Fence League, people were trying to push it certain ways. The BMP tried to infiltrate. We had murders of them trying to sway things. I'll talk through that.

I miss weddings, I miss family events. My life become the English Fence League. I become a great leader to that movement. I made it a worldwide name. But I was a bad husband, a bad father, a bad son probably at that time because my life got to cover. Activism. Activism is impossible. I try and say to people now, and you get involved in this, you've got, you've got in the end I learned. Don't talk about it.

If my kids were here or I was in the family home and I want to talk about my politics, I go for a walk now. I don't want it to consume their lives. And I didn't at first. I'd sit with my ex-wife and I'd be on the computer the whole time, fucking English. English Fence League. We're doing this with a, and it poor woman. Yeah, I know. She thought to be a mum and a wife. And it just took over my life. And as it took over my life, I missed all these events.

And then I went on a stagdoo and I went to Estonia. And it was allowed from Cambridge. The footballed out from Cambridge, I've been good friends with for years. I went on a stagdoo and then I was getting all these phone calls. We had a demonstration. You can find, you can find this video. We had a demonstration and it was in Warsaw. We had a demonstration in Warsaw and it's the first one I wasn't going to be at. And then my phone was gone mad. You've got to come. You've got to be there.

I'm not going to fucking stagdoo. I'm away. You've got to be there. Because the BMP, what they've done is our compare was a lad called Tony. So he used to compare each demonstration. They'd got into him. And they'd worked their way into regional organizers. So as I've got, say I've got 12 regional organizers in the English defense league. I know the organization. I know the lad's are turning up. We're just normal lads. Not far right. Not ideologically far right.

Not F-nats. Not F-no nationalists. F-no nationalists just want everyone to be white. They want rid of every immigrant. That's not what the English defense league was. All of a sudden I've got these calls from certain regional organizers, including our compare, to having a Alliance with a BMP. We needed a Alliance with a BMP and it was coming from everywhere. I think that's fucking right. And at the time, I didn't know that our compare was in Coot with Griffin.

I didn't know that they'd infiltrated the movement. I didn't know. So I then fly back. I leave the Sackdor. I said, I've got to go back. The movement's imploding. And that's where it took over your life. We had divisions, I'll say government interference in the movement, would try and divide the North, the South, and the Midlands. So I'd be the one person that was trying to hold it all together. And the only person that was respected enough to hold it together. So I had to be the other time.

And as they're calling for an Alliance with a BMP, I travel back and watch this video. I stand up. I said, right, you're here. You're my audience. You are the English defense league. And I made the decision if it would have gone the wrong way, I'd left there and then on stage. So I'm going to ask you, you are the movement. I want to ask you some questions now. And I want you to show your hands. So I know what I'm looking at.

Who here wants an Alliance with the British National Party put your hands up? No one put their hands up. And I looked at the compare, because I've known by this point what he was doing, I know what the regional organisers do. So why the fuck am I getting asked about the BMP? Why am I getting asked to join up with an organisation I actually despise, yeah, now with what they are? Why am I getting asked? I said, do you know why I'm happy you answered that question?

Because you see under BMP, he couldn't join. He couldn't join. He couldn't join. We had lots of black nations in our movement. And then, but then from that, I then had to get rid of the compare. I had to remove them regional organisers. And as I removed these groups, throughout the movement, I removed them. And they wouldn't, they'd leave the English Fence League as I kick them out, but then they'd set up their own groups. So you had the English Fence League in the centre, say here.

And within two years, all the people I'd kicked out in their areas that formed the North West infidel, the North East infidel, the South East. So different areas, they couldn't come to our demos, but they wanted to influence. So they always wanted us to talk against different issues. And I was like, we're about Islam, that's it. So we're about Islam, yeah. And stopping Islam, stopping Islamisation of Great Britain.

But then these groups, so before, that was one instant where, with infiltration, but I went to, I was doing a channel four documentary. It's called Proud and Prejudice. It's a fuck, I let myself down massively. I was young. I let myself down because I got drunk. I'm a fucking nightmare, I'm drunk. So I'm young. I'm leading English Fence League. He's lad to approach me from channel four and, who said, can we, we want to do a documentary, can we spend a year with you?

So I said, yeah, come and see what we're about. I'll let you in. And the lad's name was Tom Costello. Tom, if you're watching this, I'm still disappointed, yeah. Lad's name was Tom Costello, so I let them in. I met them. And the other lad died because he was a producer. He was a nice lad as well. I really, I liked him. Tom went to Oxford University, got the best possible grades you can get, yeah. I was a privately educated kid, very wealthy background.

So Tom, I met him, I said, I'll bring you into my life, yeah. I'm going to bring you totally in. I'm going to open you up. And I've done things to bring him in. So I remember that when he come and spent time in our, in our estate, everyone's meeting each other. There's blacks as agents, we're all together. We're going in that as shops. He sat down and probably said, I've never seen this. He said, what? Because you all know each other. Everywhere you go, everyone's embracing each other.

Because I've never had that, I said, what do you mean? He goes, well, where are you live? I go to private school. So I don't know all the people in the community because I just get the lift school and I don't hang around on the streets and I don't, I'm just private. And then when I've left there, I've gone to university. So I don't know anyone in that seat either. And then when I, and then I said, okay, so you've never had a community. That's what you're saying.

You've never had a sense of community. Do you understand Tom? Why, when a girl from his, to understand why we all feel it? It affects all of us. It's not a little number or digit. It's Sarah's daughter. Or it's a girl we know. It's a girl from school. It's a girl we've hung around with. So do you understand that? And then what I've done with him, I'd rang up some Pakistani boys. Bingo, little gangster, one of the bad lad. But I was friends with him growing up.

So I rang him up and I said, well, I've got a brother. And this one I'm leading, he just fancy. He got the height of the English Fence League. He goes, yeah, what's going on? I'm just a burden bush where are you? He goes, I'm passing now. I go, I'm swinging. And I go in the car. And then I see him as my posh little cousin. So I get in the car and I say, Tom, this is my posh little cousin, Tom. And we sit with these three Pakistani's. They're drug dealers here. But we sit and we have a laugh.

And I'm chatting to him. We sit in the car for an hour. I said, this is my posh cousin, Pat, town. He's just with me for the weekend. We all have a laugh. They get out of the car. They drive off. I said, so do you understand now as a journalist? I don't hate them for being Pakistani. I don't hate them for being Muslim, right? But there's a problem. I'm not going to talk about it. And as you can see, they don't hate me. I'm the leader in English, Fence League, no chilling me.

I'll be sitting in cars with Pakistani boys when I'm sitting at, when I'm leading the idiot who are mates. And police car pulled up and seen me with a trying to talk to him. And they think I've been cat kidnapped or something. Well, I made, we're mates. They'll get out, we're having a laugh. I said, we know each other. We went to school together. So it must frustrate you to no end that I think you're even more than the Islam or anything. I think you're known as just racist.

They're totally talking to you. Tom Robinson racist. Don't have frustrant ears. And I couldn't find pretty much anything. I couldn't find anything. I'm more than a ban or a humor amongst friends again. Do you know how frustrating it is to have? I've done it again. I'll give you a, where this Tom Castello lead when we've done the documentary. So I did, I didn't know. They were filming me for a year, but they were filming with the Muslim radical, say, for the Islam, sort of Islam.

He's the leader of the terrorist organization. He's in Luton, so it was called Proud and Prejudiced. So whilst I thought they were just following us, they were following them and they were putting us hit head in the film, which they didn't tell me. And they're whankers. So I've got a friend who's sister reviews films. So before the documentary got come out, I got to watch a documentary. So I've watched a documentary now of Rangan.

So in that documentary, they told me at the start, there's no voice over. We're just showing your story. We're going to follow you. I invited this prick to my wedding. Yeah. Wow. I liked him. I liked him. I invited him to my wedding. And then the documentary comes out. Now, I've got my hood unpisturbing town. I've got my hood up and I've got goggles on. It's a CP company coat. And I said, ribbit. Yeah. I was pissed up, ribbit. And what's done? They're done. They put revic.

And then in the voice over. Yeah. So I rang him up. But for anyone who doesn't know, it's a... Bravic killed 60 people, 50 people in Norway in a terrorist attack that they tried to link to the Usdings Fensely. So a horrific thing, right? Well, you would agree that was a horrific thing. A horrific, if you watched the documentary. No. Oh, man, watch it, bro. About a brevic.

About what he'd done and about the families and the people who were hiding, the kids who were hiding and tells the story of it. And some Muslim kids that were killed. No, I wasn't. I wasn't. No, he targeted the politicians kids. So basically, and you see that island, there's a lot more to what the story than has told. See the island where he here will Norway give that island to her mass. They let her mass use the island to influence them in politics. They give it to a fucking terrorist group.

They let them fly their terrorism, terrorism. But there was a lot more to that. But what he done is, what his words, not mine, I don't condone it, he was a monster. But what he done is he blames the politicians for letting the migrants in and the, the, the Somalians, the Muslim, the, the his normalization of his country. He blames on the politicians.

Now there's a camp where all the politicians and the wealthy send their kids, which is the lay, the equivalent of the laid-up party is their next generation of leaders. That's right. He targeted that camp. These were kids, innocent kids. And he hunted them down and he shot them. He planned it for eight years, ten years. Now they, the media again, amit the truth. They emit things. So they said he was an admirer of the English defense league.

But I, at the time, obviously, he done that a day before my wedding. I remember he done it a day before my wedding. And I was like, fuck man. And it was out everywhere all over the world. It, that he had had meetings in the UK. Yeah. And they're trying to put it on me and I'm thinking, I don't know this guy, right? And then in his manifesto, he said the English defense league annoyed fools. But he talked about, it took him two years to write his manifesto.

And the start, when we started our movement, no one knows who we are. We're on the streets. He spoke well of us. By the end of it, he called us race traders and said that we are naive fools who think democracy can solve these problems. And we're, and the only way to solve his violence, that was his, his, his thing. But the media left all that out and just said he talked well of Tommy Robinson and the English defense league and he was radicalized by us.

That's why they pretty much tried to say ignored the fact that he was radicalized by the reasonization of his own country and his government's failures. What did this fellow Tom say when you confronted him? I said Tom and he's like, he's obviously, how the fuck do you know that? The film ain't out. I said Tom, and then Tom was talking at the, you said the take gallery early, it was talking about, he was talking at the British Film Institute in London. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So he's talking and I see this is after the documentary comes out. So I fell out of him. No, before that, I was still talking to him. But I said, you bastard, he goes, no, it is. Channel four just wouldn't put it out. You come across too well. So you come across too well. So they had to put voiceovers in. They had to cut and edit this. They had to give a slone. They had to. He goes, because it couldn't go out. You come, this is the problem with the mainstream media.

And this is, sorry to cut you, because I'm, I get so wound up by this. And I understand how it happens because it's, it's not probably, it's not Tom's fault. That's from what you've told me so necessarily. It is, it's the group thing of it. And there's a whole battle right now, because obviously I'm, I'm implicated in the whole thing going on right now, influences versus the mainstream media, that case, drama, you know, attacking Elon Musk and all of these things.

And there are a lot of things the mainstream media has that we don't. They have duty of care. They have lawyers that can check everything and make sure of, you know, and that's, that's something we should have and we can't afford to do those kinds of things. However, they have this huge group thing where if anything is slightly not what's expected, nobody in that group is going to stand up and say, how do I need you guys? He's all right. He's all right. That's what Tom sure said.

Well, actually, he's all right. Yeah. And he's not racist. But he would have lost his place or whatever they would have looked down on him. He won awards for this film. So this film, he's then, so I see that Tom Costello has an evening at the British Film Institute, yeah. Okay. Talking about his time with things, it's Fensley. So I think, okay. So I booked two tickets and I went to my car and I made and I put a book on a full nicob. Shut up. I swear to God, a full nicob.

What are you talking about? I swear to God picture. Yeah, there's a picture in my book. I always remember. I was like, it will put it in there. And to know what, we met up at Selfridges. I put this full nicob on. And I'm in the car. My mates are black, gone, I ain't lad. And I'm in the car. And we're in a taxi. And as I'm sitting and people looking at the taxi, I'm like, I fucking wonk. And they're looking so shocked. I'm going to get the car next to me.

We needed a series of youth dressing up in every religious car. And like different things and just saying, wonk is to be. I've done the rabbi as well too. Well done. But I've done the dress stuff. I've dressed up in a nicob and I've got walking straight in with my ticket with my mate. And we sat free-vos back. So I'm sitting in this room full of people, the whole discussion is Tommy Rums. He's getting interviewed. I'd already said to my mate, what I want you to ask him is was Tommy racist?

Get that question into him. So we're sitting there. And he's standing up and he's talking about my mate Jim M. Gades. Now Jim M. Fortunely ended up becoming homeless. His ex-forces, Jim was the next paratrooper. But he said that Jim always had a tour on him, a gun. This way he's telling this crowd. He's implying to this crowd that he's gone undercover into the English defense league, which was dangerous. I get it. I get what he was doing.

He was selling the work he's done with bullshit, flowering it all up here. Jim has never had a gun on him. Right, Jim's a tough lad, but Jim was by my side the whole way through it. He never had weapons on him or guns. So he's implying all this story and he's bigging it all up and he's talking about what was it like and we spent all this time and we went to demonstrations. And as he's doing that, my mate puts his hand up and says, so you've got to not know Tommy.

He says, yeah, he goes, I just want one simple answer. What was he a racist? And he says, yes, and I just went plum. Did you? Yeah. And the whole room just went, what the fuck? And I said, first off, do we think we should ban the Nicarb? Yeah? Okay? I've been sitting here listening to think you're saying for the last hour. Yeah? And he was just like, Tommy, can we talk outside? It's another talk outside. Talk here. You just said I'm a racist. You know I'm not a racist, Tom.

You spent time with me. You've met my family. You've met my friends. You've met my loved ones. You've met my kids. You met everyone. You know who I am. And it pissed me off. If it has said yes, he's strongly opposed to Islam. But he sat there and then he was like, oh, let's talk outside and security with it there. And they said, when you walked in, I knew it was a man. That's just a security said. I said, yeah, why didn't you say saying it?

Too scared to say saying, when you're, because it's a Nicarb. Yeah. So you know a man's wearing a Nicarb walking into an event. You know it. Too scared to say anything. Good thing you're not as tall as me though. You know, I've looked at a little short fat bird and I'm. I wore gloves and everything. I wore the full lot, man. I wore the hairy palms. I wore the full lot and even the bait when he went in a buoy, like we were having a laugh about it. But that and then Tom.

So Tom and Barry and mine what had seen. So in the first time I met Tom and the channel four lads, I bought, I had a litre bottle of vodka and I filled up a water. And I know what these journalists suspect of who I am. I'm leading in Svensley. So I've gone in the cafe, the coach is there. We've got a 50 or 60 seat, a gallon of blackburn for a demonstration. Probably a third or fourth demo. It was when everything was going big. So I've walked in, I've got a paper bottle. I've gone in.

It's a litre bottle of vodka, but it's water. I've walked down the two new journalists standing there and I knelt the water and I fucked the bottle. I said, it's fucking demo day. Yeah. And then we went to the live fuck it and I went over and shook both their hands. I said, what are you doing? And so my name's Tommy. I'm just taking, and I was just taking a piss, but we get, and you can see what this is on their documentary.

Not me, Nick, Nick in the book, but we go in the coach and they say, what's the plan today? I said, I'm kicking it all off today. It's all kicking off. I said, what do you mean? I said, groups have tried to align themselves inside our movement. I know their names, they're the North East Info-Dose. I know who they are, they're the Northwest Info-Dose. They've not done enough to be kicked out publicly, but they are recruiting for the far right within our movement and our crowd.

So today we're going to put it to bed. You say, how are you going to put it to bed? I said, I'll show you when I get there. So I get up on stage and I call my mate up, Guramit Singh. Guramit Singh, Dunmore to Bratric Sparrows and anyone else. Guramit Singh is a Sikh leader of the English defense leader, great lad as well. I still hold him as a dear friend. He's a brilliant lad, brilliant personally. And I've met, and I've got Guramit up on stage, that come in and I hold his hand.

I said, if you're in this audience and you don't like what you fucking see here, yeah? And I had to do this. Essentially, we'd ask the police. If anyone turns up Dr. Martin Bomberjuck, it's don't let him in. If you've got intelligence at their national front and their Nazis, don't let him in. Or it's going to come to clashes. So I had to make the decision. I'm a leader of a street protest movement. Remember, I went to a politician.

I'm the leader of a street press movement of lads, really young lads. And we needed this to void. So I called Guramit up and then I said, right, if you don't like what you see, this is us. This is my England, yeah? This is what we're standing for. If you are opposed to this, you're in the wrong crowd, lads, yeah? I said, I'm now going to read your names out. And I said, because I've been following you. So North East, in Ferdelles, Alan, can I mention his name? Alan Smith, show yourself, yeah?

You raised his little bastard. So I went through their inward, this inward, that they're going, that's totally against what I've been brought up with. So I said, show yourself. And then you see a big crowd. And it's on the documentary. You see a load of them coming. And they've all got to come by, ain't he, shirts on? Scotland crossbones. So as I come off the stage, these lads are from Newcastle. So I come off the stage and my intention was to knock them out on camera in front of the world.

I thought we're going to town and I told you lads, we're fighting these lads today, yeah? We're going to kick, we're going to show on the documentary that you were fighting against racists. One is to just know, we want it. I went bothered about a documentary. I wanted to kick these fuckers out of our movement. It's our movement. Yeah? Well, we stand for you lot. Go. Right. Right. Well, you, to me, you're the enemy. The same way these jihadists are the enemy.

You're opposite sides of the same coin. You're the same shit. You got, you're going today, yeah? And we're kicking off. Because we, they hadn't done enough. So we'd, we'd seen them looking at them thinking they, first of all, they, the, the Welsh defence league, they come dressed normally like that. One demo, two demo, three demo. They want Dr Martin's and bomber jackets. They're then wearing braces. They're, they're then full on the own arseys.

But that we learn again, pure, oh wait, say, puri comes with time. You've got to give an organisation. Every time we're on the street saying we're not racists, we want normal people. The media are telling everyone they are an arseys. So they're, they're advertising our organisation to Nazis. These scumbags, if they hold their own demonstration, will get 20 idiots, yeah? But they want to be in amongst thousands. And then they want to recruit off the thousands.

So I stood up on stage, held his hand. I come off the stage. And the first lad there was from the castle. OO, Alan, whack. I cleaned him out, yeah? I got done for it. I cleaned him out. Then we come, we come off and we, and they're all trying to get to us. And it's all, all the crowds going mad. And we come to the coaches. I come back by the coaches and it's about 30 from waiting. They've got corkscrews in their hands. And there's pictures of all this. It goes off. We fight in light fuck, yeah?

The channel four, this, this posh kid who lives in a house with seven other people, one is a tranny, one was shacking the, one was shacking the, one of the people in the house was shacking the Prime Minister of Pakistan, yeah? It's all so fucked up. But they lived this mad little life, which is so far detached from the life I live, yeah? So, but he was really nice. Tom was really, I really liked him, the kid. And then we get, and they sit down afterwards. We all get on the coach.

Everyone's got blood on them, everyone's bad. Everyone's like, fucking hell. And Tom's why he's never seen probably anyone get punched. Tom sitting there and he's just what it goes, I can't believe it. I said, what? He said, you're fighting the far right. He goes, my house, mine, no one, I know, he's going to believe this. Yeah? But John, I had the media portrayed that. English defensively fight each other. That's what the headlines were.

There was trouble on the streets and it's the English defensively fight each other. Now, that decision to do that that day was the best decision I made for the movement. Because I then went home and made a video. I said, well, you lot, it's on. Yeah? You see our next demo, it's on. Every time we see you, it's on. Because we weren't, as I said, we weren't Polish politicians, we weren't anything. We weren't trying to be anyone we weren't. We were young lads, most of them up for it.

And we wanted a protest against Islam and the Islamisation of Britain. And then so, and I made that video. And one of the lads said, what's his name? Stevie Kowal? One of the lads, again, from Newcastle. I made a video saying, listen. You've come to our demonstrations, it's all gone off today. If you come again, it's going off every time. But we're now mobilising all the groups. Because we had a good relationship with the West Midlands. The West Midlands, EDL, lads from Lanesfield, same as us.

There was hundreds of us that would have been up for fighting the Nazis. If they were coming. So then we made a video saying, if any of you want it, just come to Luton. I'm not hiding. We're not hiding from you. So we're called on, I'm blood and on, I'm called on blood and on, when I call it on with the, the chadis, we're called on with the far right at the same time. And I called on, and then I made a video saying, I'm five foot six, I'm sure I'm fat. I'm a little whiter.

If you've got a problem, travel to Luton. I'm not going to hide from you. So come on down. And then the next week I'll go out and I'm in London. And I get a phone call from the landlord of Luton's footwear, Luton pub, and said, there's a new castle lad in here looking for you. I said, all right, what's he want? He said, he's seen your video. He's come down. Steve Kapsa said, all right, sound. I'm coming back. So I come back from London.

I've walked into the pub in town, and I've walked in this lad from Newcompt. He's come on his own from Newcompt, yeah. He said, I'm fucking, I watch your video, and I said, I'm fucking up. I was pissed off. So I come down to confront you basically. He goes, now I'm here. Now I'm here. I'm not as angry. I said, get out of the back of the pub. And me and him went out of the back of the pub and went, I pulled a whitey. I pulled a whitey. I pulled a toe. I was, that one fit. I batted him.

I shook his hand after. I shook his hand after. But I won the fight with him. But afterwards, once he'd all come down, I pulled a whitey. And I was like, I'm fit. I was like, exhausted. And so do you ever regret about some of the violence, maybe? Like, and things and some of the ways you've gone about things when you were younger that maybe helped the mainstream to give this false image of you? But for me, for me growing up where I grew up, that was all normal. A fight's normal.

Now, as an adult, as a 41-year-old father of three kids, that's not normal. What I thought was normal growing up in Lumin, behavior I thought was normal, the way to deal with problems I thought was normal. Lumin's a very violent, it's been voted the worst town in Britain. It's got violence levels that put areas of London to shame. I think yesterday, three people were shot dead in March farm, which is where I'm detained from. So, I do I regret.

I had, if I hadn't done that against the Nazis, there wouldn't have been a divide. And this is why left English Fence League. So, I've done all this. We battled them. We got rid of them. We got rid of them. We then reached a good crowd. After two years, we're in a good place. Three years we're in a good place. I go to all these groups I've kicked out. I then go to jail. I'm sent a prison. 2012. Three years into leadership, I'm sent a prison.

I come out of prison and I see all these groups have been at our demos with their flags. And I remember, I'm the face of the video. What was the video? It was my face. That's not me. You're not doing that shit in my name. So, then I fought again. Now, I've got to kick more people out. Because we've organized that demo and they've got to go. And then it just adds, each time, during my time, all my time was spent battling. Not battling Islam, what I should be talking about.

Not my energy was consumed, fighting the problems within the own movement. The racists. The far right racists. My own, that was what my time was done. So then, each time I'd get an opportunity to discuss the topics I want to discuss, I'm sat on a news show and they're showing me some more on an EDL demo, sound and sound stupid, or in an interview being a racist prick. And I've got to then defend that or answer it. But what about your own behaviour? I mean, there was a drug issue, wasn't there?

And there was the fake passport. I can't, but I mean, that was Borsy, bloody hell. Yeah, I don't see a problem. The drug issue, again, ever took drugs? Tell the truth. Yeah. Let's talk about your drug issue. So I didn't get caught made today. I was young, right? I was young, man. And again, again, 41, what was I? 25, 25 got arrested in town, searched. When I started the English defense team. I get me arrested a lot of it. You know what I mean?

Everyone watching is, people come so judgmental, it's like, look, I'm fucking, there was a normal that. What was it just consuming, though? I was just consuming. I had a half a gram in my pocket. Of my room. Of course. The white stuff. Yeah. And listen, do I regret that? Yes, do I regret every part of it? Yes, do I speak against any drug use? Yes. Even in the sense of, do we become a customer's work and classmate? Lay at lads. To think this shit's normal.

To think that every time you go out of a pub, you take drugs. Yeah, that's what everyone does. Sit back and kitchens. Without realizing the negative effect, I realized the effect it had on my life. I realized the problems it caused my life. And that is not normal. And that if you want to feel good and you want to succeed, you feel so much fresher, being fresh, being alcohol free as well. I didn't use to, I, it come to a point.

I fucking, someone described Dinguist Fence Day as a drinking club with a website because at times it was. It was brilliant. It was brilliant. It was brilliant. Well, it was like that passport thing. I asked a lot of guests this and I don't mean it in a bad way. But that's, that's a very risky thing to do. You must have been on the plane going bloody hell. They're going to let me in. I'm using a fake passport. Was it to get into Canada or America? No, what I've done.

So we start things, Fence League. I've been to America for years in a row before this. I then land and we're on, we're on drinking on the park again, drink. We're on, we're on drinking on the airplane with the air hostesses. Yeah, and they're giving us all free drinks. We said we're going to here for September 11th. That's what we're going to for. And we're running this group called the EDL. And we're causing, we're, we're in every town in city. It's blown up. It's a phenomenon.

We're talking to them all. And I said, but the afforees are really trying to, because they'd raid me three times in the first six months. I said they're really trying to stop us. They're really trying to shut us down. And then the doors open for the plane. There's two cops of guns. And the air hostess looked at me and looked, I said, I told you. I told you. Oh my god. And then as I stepped off, they said, Mr. Lennon, who are you with? I said, I'm here on my own.

And the worst part about it was, I'd lent my two mates. I'd lent my two mates money to go. Yeah. So I was sitting thinking, this is costing me a fortune. You look out into New York. I'm fucking, and I've got detained. I've got arrested. And I've got to port it. And then I've got basically told that the British had told him not to let me in. Yeah. So there was a 10 year anniversary of September 11th.

And I'd been invited by Pamela Gellar, someone I'd admired, Pamela and Robert Spencer, I'd watched them for years. I'd learnt a lot from them about Islam, about Islamization, about the Quran, about my Hamid. I'd looked to them as mentors, I guess, in my early years. And I got invited to give a talk, an event, a 10 year memorial, for September 11th. And it must, so I, stupidly, I've got a lad who grew up with me, who people confuse as me at times.

Which as I said earlier, I'm pretty gutted about, he's a short fat little fucking lad. This is completely insane, by the way, the whole thing. And if you're watching this, right? So I met his house and I'm thinking, you know, I still want to go. So I've took his passport. I've took his passport. Again, I've gone out of part at the time. And I've just made my way to the airport. With my cousin, I said, you go to, I'm going JFK, you go to the other airport. I'll meet you in New York, yeah.

Crazily thinking, I'm going to get in, right? And I fly to New York. And when I was making these decisions, as I said, he just eventually took over my life. When I actually get jailed for this and I needed prison, I needed it at this time. So I'm young, I'm leading the biggest street I've gone from six months before. In those first six months, I pleased, froze my assets, dawn rated me, locked my accounts, froze my businesses, I had two companies.

They forced me into the path I was in because I had nothing else. I wanted that to work. I wanted that to earn money. I was under this legislation that they bought into Deal or Terrace, which was called a financial restraining order. I was only about 250 pound a week to live on. They'd done all this to try and stop here at the start. But rather than stop me, it pushed me into it because I couldn't go to work. I couldn't earn money. You've closed my company. What am I doing now?

I'm leading the deal. So you made that I'd say if they hadn't took those actions in those early days, whilst I believed in what I believed in, I would never have become Tommy Robbins. I was using a different name. I was hiding my identity. I still wanted a good life. I was successful at that time in life. By the time I was 25, I was successful. I had businesses, properties. So I've gone to, I'm on the plane. I get, and then when they stop me, they do a written a scanner. Yeah. And fingerprints.

Oh, well, they're saying it'll work. I'm not Andrew. I'm Andrew my mom's time. So as they do the written a scanner, the geezer looks at me, but he doesn't know what it for, he doesn't let on that, he knows I'm not who I'm saying I am, but I know he knows I'm not, because I was here last year. So then he puts my passport in a look like on a folder, he goes, that's your luck, just over there son. And that's where I was. It's American though. It's American at the counter. Just over there.

And where I told me to go was, well, I got nicked the year before, that's where you go. So I was like, okay, he's down. So as I start walking towards that thing, I just go, you run. Yeah, I'm out of there. I get out. I'm gone. I swear to God, I get out of the airport. I turn up at the other end. I then get into taxi. Do you have a taxi driver? There's a mad because I'm in a taxi driver and I'm so fucking late. I'm like, I'm in New York, bro. I'm in New York. I'm out of the airport.

I left my coat. I'm in New York. I've got nothing. And what I've done is to travel there, my passport, I changed to the name of Paul Harris, my own passport, via D-Pull. So I had a passport in the name of Paul Harris and I had my friends passport. So I booked two flights, one for Paul Harris, one for Andrew and my master. So I left the country on my own passport. Yeah. And then I switched to passport and used this. Wow. So I didn't break law in England. I don't know that.

But I did expect to go in America if I got caught. So when I looked here for, if I go to a job in America, it's going to bring our cause to fucking big light. Yeah. What we're doing. So as I said, I was always used, I always say if you worry about consequence, you will never bring about change. I didn't worry about consequence. I thought I'm doing it. Is it right what I'm doing? Yes. I wish someone could come to Luton 30 years ago and told me which is what my speech was in New York.

And I'm not telling you about what I've read. I was born in 1982 in Luton when there was one boss who's now fucking 30 at the time, probably 25. There's now 40. Better time 25. I said, I'm going to tell you how that changes your town. You need to stop his limit immigration. So I come and get a warning to America about what it's like growing up in the town dominated by Islam as an Englishman.

So I went to give that warning and I got out of the airport and I'm in the taxi and the taxi driver had a fight with Joe Kawzagi. He was one of the only people who put Joe Kawzagi down. So he's showing me all this. And he's some was boxing for the American Olympic team as well. So I had this journey off this taxi driver on the way there and waiting for my cousin to come out, doors open, he's like, I'll say, I'm probably on human. I went and get my speech.

And then I flew back to Ireland on Paul Harris's passport, which is me under a new name. So I flew back to Ireland. I'm driving on the M25, madly. So again, we were radicalising ourselves under the English fence. We were, we tried the peaceful protest route. They clamped down on us. They come from everywhere. We then looked and I found Abu Hamza Hukhand had a 1.3 million house in London. He had four children, only one of them living with him. And we were on our way there.

So we rented a van, a lorry. We went in the back of a lorry, about 50 of us. We're on the way there and we were going to video it. And we were sort of, and got to the point where, and we got three P-Defiled rumours addresses in Oxford. So we were going there, houses as well. This, and we were going to houses to tell them, we were, I was going to read a pre-prepared statement to Abu Hamza saying, you have seven days to vacate this property.

This property is for an English family and not a terrorist. You're a jihadist, you're a leader of a terrorist organisation. You shouldn't be here. You should be interned in my, in our eyes. So we were at that stage where we were, we didn't have weapons, we didn't have anything. We went there to video our message. We didn't go there to attack their houses. We went there to video our message, saying we're the P-Defiles. We didn't say get these off the streets and all. Why they out on bail?

Why they running my locks for still? They've picked these kids. They've all now been in prison. So we were in the track, lorry, and the way there, and they shut the M25. There's a picture of this in my book. And we were all massed up in the lorry. And as the shutters go up, we were all right, when the doors open run, right? There's 50 of us, right? When the doors open, we were all a bit dot-sonous. We were a bit dot-sonous. You know? And then I got arrested. And I got arrested that day.

Now, say, say for Islam, on the Proud and Prejudice documentary, punches me through the car window. Wow. On the documentary. So I don't know who they're doing the documentary on him and me at the time. Do I? He's, I just think they're doing one on me. And as I'm driving through Barry Park with our documentary, he comes over to the car. What you got to say now? I said, Islam's fascist. It's violent. I don't like it. You're a piss-peek-peek-peek. And then he waxed me through the car window.

And then, and then the morning, the morning that we're going to meet the lads at eight in the morning, I'm driving through Luton Town Centre to meet the lads. Say for Islam. We punch me through the car window. So I pull up the car. I jump out of the car. He runs. He fucking runs. Say for, sword of Islam. Love's death, when we love life. He run away. Yeah, but I'll call him. He run away and on the CCTVs. He goes and gives a statement, please.

So when I, so when the van, when they pull us over in the van, I think I'm getting nicked for being in the van. But then they further arrest me on a soul against say for Islam. So I'm arrested for violent assault in Luton. And then I'm further arrested for passport. And I'm like, oh fuck. And then so I was looking at that. I said, I'm gone. And then they take me to court and they remind me. Straight away, I'm reminded. I'm reminded into custody. Because it's a passport violation.

So I can't be trusted to have bail, they said, because I've already showed that I will leave the country on an up passport. So I mean, I'm in solitary confinement in HMP starting one's worth. And then every 28 days, so you're only allowed to do 28 days in solitary confinement, because I meant to help. So after 28 days, they transferred me to Bedford. Then they transferred me to Woodhill. And 28 days later, they put me back to one's worth. 28 days later, they took me to all solitary.

All solitary? Yeah. How was that? I needed it. You know, I needed it. So I needed it. So at that time, as I said, my life became the English fence league. I guess I was self-radityising myself. But I was getting angry at an angry, I was a young man. I was looking at the terrorism, looking at Johannes, finding out more about the grooming gangs around the country. I was furious, furious. Not knowing how best to address that.

As I said, we wanted to address it by setting up an EDL sort of hit squad to tell the terrorists you need to leave. Which was bringing it into a, I guess, a sectarian side of... And then sat on solitary. And I knew then, it's the first time I'd had to slow my life down. The first time I'd had to address where I was in life, what was I doing, what affected this happened on my family, where am I headed with this? And I sat down in there, and I needed to be there. And I knew I needed to be there.

I've got a good make called Sean Atwoods. I know Sean Atwoods. I've been in prison, he was five years or so in Arizona. And I was having dinner with his family because he lives down the road just the other day with his parents. And I just thought I need to ask this. And I said, guys, do you ever think Sean, who's sitting in the bathroom with me all the time, do you think Sean might be a psychopath or on the spectrum? And they went, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, Sean is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sean is.

But he's a nice one. Because his parents are so funny. And I wondered, the story is you're telling the way sort of the risk that you take, a little bit like Sean. Do you think you might be on the psychopathy spectrum? Am I a psychopath? I'm not stopping. What does that mean? It means I'm not stopping them at what the cost. But do you think, as in psychopath? I don't think I'm a psychopath. I mean, it means I wholeheartedly believe in my cause.

I wholeheartedly believe that this country is headed to conflict. I wholeheartedly believe that the Islamisation of this nation is detrimental to the British people. You get a sad watching a sad film like where someone's dying and it was something. Do you cry? Do you cry in a film? Yeah, I'm not a psychopath. I have feelings. But yes, Sean says he does as well, but then I'm pretty sure. You're questioning it.

I just believe in, I just believe, terrorism beyond the streets of our country, Muslim gang should be raping English girls in every town in the city. And I believe someone's got a confront. And at that time, we confronted them. And our confrontation of them is what brought about the arrests of grooming gangs. Oh, I agree. I agree. It's the risk taking with the passport and stuff. And being able to survive solitary confinement, that takes like a stir. It didn't affect me in 2011. It did.

It didn't affect me the way it did later years. I would panic about that. I needed to be there. No, I needed to be there at that time in my life. I needed to be there. I was sort of probably out of control in who I was. I'd become someone very different in those two years of leading the EDL. I'd had terrorist threats, terror plots, house attacked, continuously fire bombings, police raids, investigations, traveled 15 major cities with a thousand men. My life had gone mad.

And I was doing as best I could to lead what I thought was the right decisions. Didn't have a surround team to help me. It was just right. We're going here. We're doing this. Right. They've done that. We're going here. So in that time, yeah, I went and went to jail. I knew I needed to be there at the start because I needed to slow down my life. I needed time to think. And as I said, when I come out for prison, I then see all these groups.

The BBC contacted me to do a documentary called to do work on a documentary. And as soon as she rang me, I was like, Jim, there's a Scottish girl. I said, I'm leaving the English Fencing. I said, I'm pissed off. I've had enough. I'm leaving. And then leave it. We got to get buried. Oh, yeah. So I made the decision to leave. I told my family I'm leaving. Yeah. Leave it. We got killed on my son's birthday. I remember I was sitting in my house. This was for those who don't know outside the UK.

Leave it. We got beheaded. He was a soldier. He was a hero's thing. I'm going for his job outside his army barracks to convert, pulled up. Now, the mad thing is, see Michael had a ballad joke. I'd made a video about Michael had a ballad joke the year before. We were onto this group. This group weren't prescribed. They weren't a terrorist organisation. They made the maternity organisation because our tactics were to chase them. We turned up where they were. We turned up in vans.

We turned up in the back and jumped out with Balaklava's on. We were running after the terrorists to confront them because they had abused us. It started when they attacked our troops in Luton. They were attacked because they kept going on about the English-defensive tactics. Our tactic is to go after these terrorists that you should be going after. Abouham's are standing on the street in London, in front of hundreds of Muslims, telling them to go to war with us. You're standing watching.

We don't want this anymore. We want them gone. Then after a few years, they didn't prescribe them. But Michael had a ballad joke. I made a video about him in Ailsbury the year before showing him this one of the... This was the main one who... The other one was a bit of a doofus, but he was the brain and he was the intelligent one who led the attack on Lee Rigby. He was the one who handed over the verses. He handed a woman 52 verses in the grant. No one talks about this.

He gave a woman in the street. He gave her a piece of paper and it was the 52 verses in the grant that instructed him to kill Lee Rigby. Wow. No one talks about that. And then they portray him as mad, whereas he was following the scripture to the words. He didn't do it to the word. But when he killed Lee Rigby, I'll never sit in home. And again, I was like, this hasn't just happened because... But I was... I sprung into my activism because they attacked the soldiers in Luton.

I then was arrested when they burned poppies on our remembrance day. I was arrested then for jumping offence to try... I grabbed their voices flagged. And I was charged for that. So we'd had a close alliance and admiration for our armed forces. And now one of them has been beheaded. And I remember sat at home and I said, I'm off. Right, it's my son's birthday. And all, as I said, bad dad. I said, and then stories started coming out in Woolwich.

There was groups of Muslims on the streets screaming al-Arakbar, celebrating. So we turned up in Woolwich, probably 150 lads, Balaklava's, Lads were in Balaklava's. Superly. And we turned up there. And as I remember, I still remember that day. And I remember then we... And then after that, I organized a walk for Lee. And it was the first, because we had a bit of a clash with Bedfisher Police. And as we walked...

We'd done walks for Lee in 50 cities, where peacefully we walked through the city to lay layman flowers at the warm moils. I remember walking past the loot and police and they all took their hats off as we walked past. And as we went into the town, there was no confrontations in the areas, towns and cities. Two cities, Sheffield, the lads were stopped by Muslims from getting to the warm moil. Then we then we'd done a national rally there the next week for the thousand men. Instead of 100 men.

But we were like a... We were a pressure movement. And some of the things, as you said, some of the ways... If I could do it all again, I'd learn a lot. Even the... I don't regret the mistakes. I don't regret... In America, I don't regret the imprisonment. I needed it at that time in my life. I don't regret any of the mistakes I've made, because they've helped me learn and become who I am now. Who's a heretic, you admire? Who's a heretic? I admire. I tell you who I admire.

I admire... I admire my mum. I admire my mum. My mum is the most... You know what? I've got a voicemail about four weeks ago, three weeks ago. If you could be part of the bits, you know? If you could be part of the bits. The names instead. You have to be part of the swearing, because you'll cry your eyes out. Oh, of course. But she... I was... I was scored, Luke, and just scored, man. Oh, yeah. I could guess this my little girl. Your little girl scored for... Luke and...

No, that's my little girl, Luke and Mil. I'm right. It's my daughter. Because that would have been something. Yeah, I know. Who's a plane? The plane Mil. Should be the... You know what I mean? Yeah. But mum sent me... So when I left, obviously, the world on me, I felt... Yeah. They've trapped me down the holiday. You sent me that, they sent me the message like... I sent it. Yeah. Rather than pleading up, I've gone up. Just keep digging deep. Do not hand yourself over to them. Do not give up.

I never give up. I never give up. Don't you ever give up? Do you understand? Ever. Dig deep. It's f***ing... Yeah. If you didn't win, you didn't win, but you don't f***ing give up and let them bloody have you. Right? So you cannot. You need to keep clearheaded. It's the best chance you have every f***ing time. Right? Try not to keep poking up there too much, son. Try to make what you like. But, um, yeah. Good boy. Dig deep, dig deep. I mean, if I wasn't rough, I'd come out, Stephen.

Just, you know, do your washing and just be there. But I won't be able to come out at the moment. All right, son. Dig deep. Dig bloody deep, son. Do not f***ing let them win you mentally. Do you understand? Do not let them do it. So, that was... I obviously left my family holiday and then I had to start again in another new city in another new country on my own. My kitchen... You were well... Well, it's well... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's for me and it... Because I was in a bad place again.

Because I'm continuously away on my own. Not now. Well, I'm in a nice place now. You've got Richard Grannon. For Richard Grannon, we're going to go to Moss. Yeah. But that was so... Yeah. I say I admire my mum. So my mum has been like Mother Teresa. I remember... My mum was a single parent, we were in bad wives' hostels. So she come from total poverty. One of eight children grew up in a free bedroom council house when she comes as Irish. No blacks, no dogs, no Irish. And she was...

Her mum and dad were dead by the time she was 18, 19. She lived a difficult life with no money. And then she met my god's end of a father... of a stepdad, of a father. But she experienced... So I can remember even Daniel and Dean were my best friends. Daniel Creset, a boy from Trinidad. When I was a young boy. But my mum would secretly... When it comes to school trips, she'd put cash in an envelope and post it for the door to pay for their school trips. My mum...

My mum worked in a behavioural union at school. I remember coming out of Christmas. Just coming out of Christmas and there's a... coming out of Christmas and there's a girls out there. Who's this? She said this is the girl's name. And so when a girl gets to 16 in school, they have to go into a hostel. If they're out of house, so from foster care, they go into a hostel. So my mum wouldn't let her go into a hostel. So my mum brought her home and kept her.

And until she got a job, until she found her life, until she could support her. So my mum is a woman. And that message there is because my mum has seen me go into dark places sometimes. And when my kids left and my family left, that's a... And for me, that inspired me to... But I'm going to put on another demo. I'm making a film now. I'm thinking I'm fighting back. Like, essentially, I'm better when I'm in a fight. You're making me make it up proud.

Making up... Well, she don't want me to do this, Eva. So that's... That's mum's name. Don't let them break you. Because they're trying to mentally break me in, destroy me. And they have done it all now, do two years of solitary confinement. Don't give up. My mum has had stage four cancer twice. Yeah, she's never give up. Wow. She's four for 11, little fire, little Irish lady. I remember laying him in Winchester Prison.

My mum had a 12-hour operation that they didn't know if she was going to make it. And I was waiting for the priest to come and give me the info. So worse, they have ever had him alive. I remember crying my eyes out thinking, what a bad son I've been. And what worry I've put up for him. Well, she sounds like a wonderful lady. She is, yeah. Thank you, Tommy Robinson. What an interesting couple of days I spent with him in Richard Granham, out in our hidden location.

Wow. Weird, strange, interesting to sit down with the face of evil. Now, does he seem evil to you? What are your thoughts here? I don't even know what to ask you here. It's just, it was a weird and strange one. And I really don't get the impression that he values some races above others or looks down on others. In fact, I've suggested he's less likely to be racist than many of the guests I've had on this podcast. Let me know what you think somehow.

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