636. Raymond Ibrahim: What The Koran Really Says About Lying

What is taqiya? It's a doctrine that tells Muslims you can dissemble your true intentions. Muhammad himself said war is deceit. Schools across the north of England are now being a little bit of a little bit of a little draw Jesus. The more liberal the culture becomes, the more it actually is repulsive to Muslims. The Western mind seems to think they're gonna like us. To the Muslim mind, that just breeds more and more contempt. Look how weak they are. All I have to look at is just demographics.

The official numbers they give the UK at 8 or 9%, which means about 15-20%. What do you do when England is 50% Muslim? Between around the year 1000 and 1500, 80 million Hindus were slaughtered. They're aggressive and bold, and they want their way. And if you protest, well, you're an evil Islamophobe and you're going to jail. I just came across a Winston Churchill quote You won't fight now when you actually have a good chance, and you may even be able to win without even much bloodshed.

I give you a jar of candies. There's a hundred. Ten of these are poison. Now here, go give it to your kids. Of proof has to be on you, not me. And I'm sorry, but you're part of a religion that makes it like that. Raymond Ibrahim, welcome to the show. Thank you. Happy to be with you. Happy to have you here. Um tell me a little bit. I wanna I'm just we're gonna cover a lot in Islam. In fact, before I go into I'm gonna ask you about Iran, but I want to know a little bit

All right, so my background is uh well we you have to start very personal apparently. Uh we have to be personal my so we can understand. I come from an i my family's from Egypt. They're the Copts, Coptic Christians. They left Egypt. I was born in the United States.

They left in the late sixties. I was born early seventies. And anyway, so I tell you that because obviously I had an interest in that world, Christians and Muslims and and what happens there in that nexus. And I also heard stories from my family. et cetera. And then fast forward I majored in history. Um yeah, we were talking about Fresno State. BA and M A and uh maybe you know, Victor Davis Hansen of course was um my professor at the time. So that was uh that was a fun time and uh

I my master's thesis actually with him, he was the the department chair, um, was about the first battle between Muslims and Christians. So I was still very much interested in that and I had also been studying the various languages, Greek, Arabic, Um and then nine eleven happened and um I decided to continue uh my studies and I went to Georgetown University, which at the time was one of the most um prestigious universities for that field, Islam, Middle East.

Um, I went there. I uh I I didn't like it. I got grade I got all A's but I was still young and naive, I didn't understand about political correctness and, you know, the the academic narrative and how they were they were bent on showing Islam's good. And uh I was just treating things objectively. But um so I didn't like it. I was doing well. But then I got a job at the Library of Congress dealing again with Middle Eastern Arabic books and uh that field and that was an amazing job.

And before long it became a full time job, it was forty hour j uh a week. And before long I also came across writings in Arabic that were written by Osama bin Laden and Ayman Zwahri, Al Qaeda. And this was still when Al Qaeda was big news. I I found these in two thousand four, so just a few years after two thousand one. And what was interesting about these writings in Arabic is they were completely different than what Al Qaeda had been sending messages to the West saying.

So previously Al Qaeda's message uh was we attacked you because you attacked us first. It's all about reciprocal treatment. You've done this, that and the other thing. Israel, you and Israel are are torturing everyone. Uh colonialism, you know, crusades, what you people have done to us. So The whole narrative was his big long grievance mantra. Okay. Even at one point he was complaining that the US didn't sign on to the Kyoto Protocol.

believe it or not, about the environment. Yeah. Specific. Yeah, he actually mentioned that. Um so that that those were the messages that were being disseminated to the West. And the media, Western media was helping because they want to show you what the other side is saying. What I came across in Arabic though said the exact opposite. It sounded more like Iceland. Because now he's talking to fellow Muslims in Arabic.

not thinking no one sa no infidel's gonna be privy to this information. And it was basically, yeah, we have to hate and war against them'cause they're infidels. It has nothing to do with what they do. Whether they're good or kind to us or bad or evil, we have to subjugate them. So Can you do me a favor? If you get value from these conversations, hit subscribe. I wanna on that point, because I I spoke last week at the European Parliament about uh the

of Europe. And an imam was there sort of giving the other side and he said, No, no, what infidels really means, and I'm sure you know where this is going, is it's just uh sort of non believers, but even atheists are fine as well. So it's not actually Christians and Jews. I imagine.

Yeah, well well we could deck we can definitely get into the um the linguistic aspects and I I I would like to say that something about that. But uh i if I finish the story I think it'll it'll be good because so then when when I wrote that So I got a book deal of the Arabic thing because I wanted to show what Al Qaeda had been saying to Muslims versus what they said to non Muslims. And it came out in my first book, uh The Al Qaeda Reader, which was finally published in two thousand seven. And um

So anyway, that that me that it very early on initially struck me as an a perfect example. I came from again a back academic background studying history.

So I was very much interested in jihad and crusades, but when I came across the Al Qaeda thing, I believed originally what they were saying, which is Oh, we're doing this because you've done S so when I read in Arabic what they were really saying and how they were referencing history to solidify their point and talking about yes, you know, we are the nation of the jihad, et cetera, et cetera.

I thought that that has stayed with me really since from then to now. And so one of my writing missions is just to show the continuity, the true continuity bet uh between Islamic hostility for the West, past and present. And also all the many lies that permeate it, past and present, because we have the same examples of deception and lies and and all that sort of thing going on. As far as Infidel.

Uh it's funny because they they come up with all these apologetics and I I think what he's trying to tell you is so the word infidel, well that's you you that's an English word. It's not even necessarily a good translation. I use it often. The word is kefir in Arabic. And it's true. So I th so a kefr is a non Muslim. You can translate it as a non Muslim, but that's their way of trying to uh make it hygienic because

What it is, is a non-Muslim, but the word is loaded with so many pejoratives and evil connotations. Okay. So by default, to be a non-Muslim based on this word is to be an enemy. Okay. So um and maybe the other things that they they play with is uh they'll call Christians and Jews people of the book. That's what he was angling at. Right. So if you're Ahlil Kitab, a people of the book.

Yes, you are technically better to be treated better than the Kafir, but it's not a whole lot better. The Kafir is you submit, convert to Islam, or die. That's it. The Christian and the Jew is submit, become Muslim, or fine, keep your religion, pay tribute and be a second class citizen and yeah, or or more like a third class citizen, if you really understand it. So it's marginally better, but

But the v the war is to be waged on both until they submit one way or the other. The only difference is the Christian and Jew has the right to maintain their faith, but they are suppressed subjects. Quran 929 is the key one, which says fight the people of the book. until they p until they pay tribute and feel themselves humble.

So it's not just about taking money from them. You have to make sure that in the social order that they are suppressed. And one of the reasons for that is in the hopes that eventually they convert. And they did. That is actually the history of how Islam spread. It would conquer regions.

let's say Egypt, my ancestral homeland, or Syria, the vast majority of the people there were actually Christians, the overwhelming majority, with also a lot of uh Jews in Alexandria. And so they had the right to pay tribute. But before long people are have no money. It's an e it's a demanding amount of uh you know uh tribute that they want.

And people get tired of being s social outcasts. They they can't get jobs. They are despised. They can't b you know so they become Muslims. That's the true story of the spread of Islam. And it's actually understood that this Jizy attacks based on the Quran

is on the one hand to show some leniency, on the other hand, it's kind of a s we get money out of you and then eventually you become a Muslim. I so I didn't actually realise it worked that way. I thought what was happening was looking at the Middle East and I I've got a you know very fleeting knowledge of it that that

They they would coming and taking over, killing the non believers, and and and that's how Islam spread. But you're saying actually people were just converting because it was so it it was so difficult. Yeah, there was a lot of social so yeah, if you're not a if you were a Christian or Jew, you were so you were technically given the object. Now I'm giving you the actual law, the way it's understood. I'm sure historically

There were all sorts of aberrations where they didn't even give the Christians or Jews and they killed them outright. And there were even times when they got, so for example, the Hindus. They're not people of book. So theoretically, when the massive jihad began on them, it's supposedly between um around the year one thousand and fifteen hundred, eighty million Hindus were slaughtered. Okay, during this period.

And technically they were not supposed to give them the the the opportunity to pay tribute and keep their religion. But if eventually it got so bad that they figured, you know what, why don't we just make money out of this? What's another dead Hindu? So they did give them that status.

that they could pay and keep the religion. So my point is there's always some elasticity to these rules, depending on on how they work. But um But and there was even a time when uh very early on where a lot of the subject peoples wanted to convert because of the social pressures and the and the financial pressures, but the the caliphs wouldn't let them.

Because once you convert that's n that's uh their income drops'cause they don't get that extra tax. So it was actually more advantageous for the caliphs to have their subject people not be Muslim. That was a whole controversy, but eventually. It went away. As a podcast host, my days are packed with interviews, meetings, and nonstop conversations. You might have seen me talk about Plawed Note and Note Pro before, and honestly, I'm still using them every single day.

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Of you know, people women in dresses and things. Um what are what are the most recent ones? Most recent nations that have become Muslim? Yeah. The UK, uh France. Oh yeah, you're asking uh more and more uh Yeah, well we'll get into that. That's that's the most recent.

suppose. And and well it's a it's a fact, isn't it? I mean, was it the UAE that recently banned its students from doing exchange in the UK because of radicalisation? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well well that's the thing. Pla places like in Egypt In Saudi Arabia, the Muslim Brotherhood is banned. The Muslim Brotherhood was born in Egypt. So if anything it has a lot of sympathizers there, but it's banned and yet in the West it's not often. Why?

You tell me. Uh, because even at that point you can't even be accused of Islamophobia because Muslims are banning them. It's a terrorist organization. Okay, whether it has an Islamic uh veneer or it's substantially Islamic Those Muslims are banning it and that doesn't make them Islamophobe, so I don't know why the West has any compunction about banning A terrorist organization.

What's the best argument you can give s that that for a l the left the w what do we call it? St steel man or strongmanning? Oh straw man argument? The the opposite, like building up the best possible other side for a lefty right who would be saying now no That's not gonna happen. What happened in Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Egypt? It's not gonna happen here yet. What's the best argument?

For them? In other words, if I was one of them? If you were one of them, what would you say? Hang on, it's not gonna happen in Britain. Here's why. Okay. So you're asking me to think like I'm insane. Yes. And come up with a very strong argument. I see what you're saying. Yeah. Well what would they say at least? I'm trying to think. Yeah, that's a good question. I've never put my mind into theirs. That's a scary thought. But

What they would say that is so in other words, how do would they rationalize that yeah, the current situation is not so bad. This isn't gonna become Londonistan or a new caliphate.

I think it because of a lot of it it has to do with naivete and a little bit of cultural arrogance, they're just probably convinced that in due time all the Muslims that come here will just assimilate and secularize because Yeah, everyone knows the truth is secularization and that's the objective happy life and uh you know, they they can only do this draconian sharia so much and I'm sure

they'll all eventually one way or the other just um assimilate. Um but it's really the opposite because if anything you look at if you look at who gets radicalized, it's the it's the later generations, the second and third generations.

And I I I have a a a deep theory about that. It's a symbiotic relationship actually. That um that Western liberal and the more liberal the culture becomes, the more it actually is repulsive to Muslims.

and it pushes them back on their conservative ways because they see so when they see, for example, in the UK or wherever um Western people, English people appeasing them um, you know, uh covering up their crosses so they don't offend them, inviting them to come and and and and, you know, proclaim Quran truths in the church and all that.

Uh uh the Western mind seems to think, see, they're gonna like us'cause we're showing them of it. So the Muslim mind that that just breeds more more and more contempt and really reaffirms that yeah, we have the truth. See, even they know it. Look how weak they are. So

Um that's why I think there's that that's it and and and there's the opposite of that actually. If you go back to the colonial era when the West was unabashedly um proud of its ways and and it went into the Islamic world and into India and Africa and it didn't uh as as they say, pussyfoot around, you know, is very objective and proud of its uh strength.

Well what did the Muslims do? Did they scream jihad? Actually, by and large, they all tried to emulate it and they all shaved the beard and put on Western dress and women were not wearing the hijab and they were in dress high heels. And even the number one country, um or n or empire, the Ottoman Empire, which at once was the greatest scourge.

of Europe from a jihadist mentality, they were the first ones to get rid of all that and totally become westernized under autoturk. They even got rid of the Arabic script and adopted the Roman alphabet for the Turkish language. Um, so that's what I mean by a symbiotic relationship. In as much as the West exudes power and confidence, that actually attracts Muslims and makes them want to emulate and assimilate. And as much as it exudes weakness and uh just the symbol.

pathetic kind of culture, uh like uh that draws them back and repulses them and makes them wanna wanna conquer them. You know, it's uh it's almost like the bully. I use I call it the yard the schoolyard bully mentality. If you're just weak and kind of like pathetic, he he starts off testing you how far I can go with you, you know, and and the more you give in, the more aggressive he becomes, right?

But if you give him a swift punch in the nose, before you know it, he respects and becomes your best friend. Yeah. Okay. So I think that's that very much governs how Muslims see the way. It's it's it's when you put it that way, it seems so obvious that that is basic human psychology, and yet this leftist narrative persists.

We just had, as as you'll probably be aware, I mean, firstly we had with the education, what what you're talking about, literally n schools I think across the north of England at the moment, and might spread further south, uh are now being told you can't draw Jesus. Jesus can't be drawing. It was one pro one of the first big uh you know, um uh votes that was that was really lost based on September.

uh the Greens won. And a lot of the left are now saying, Ha, you guys thought that Muslims were socially conservative, but they've just voted for a gay Jew in charge of the Greens and well I've never heard them mention the environment. The Greens What would you what would your robust

That the Muslims see them all as useful idiots. Yeah, and I'll give you a perfect example in Michigan, Ham Tramic, I think it's pronounced. It's uh somewhere in Michigan, a s a small smaller city. Which has a large Muslim population. And you know, when it was a small Muslim population, who welcomed them in and who tried to betress them and support them was the extreme left. Okay. The the and the more woke, the more they helped them, okay?

And uh before long it became I don't know if if the city's Muslim majority, but the once the city council became Muslim majority The first thing they did is cancel gay pride. Okay. And the left, the people who had supported them just freaked out and said, Well, we helped you. We thought This and that. But that's a perfect i uh example of, you know, the Muslims will adroitly uh ride the wave.

that helps them, even if it is with leftists, uh Jews, gays, whatever. But when the time comes and they you know, I and this has an old lineage in the Islamic mentality, even Mohammed himself would do that sort of thing. Um when the time comes, then you know the the mask comes off, as it were. I think it's very possible that probably not the next uh election, but the one after that. So we're talking about seven.

That the Greens as a kind of Islamo-woke alliance will will get in charge. How how will that look in the first few months? Uh i well, I see things differently. I really have a I don't I think the problem is too many people are myopic and they just really look at the current news and what's being said today and and um but I like to stand back and maybe it's with my background in history and kinda Look at the long picture.

And all I see is just a slow degrade, okay, uh in the in the UK, but just the West in general. And and all I have to look at is just demographics. That's it. Okay. If I look and you know, the official numbers they give, let's say the UK, I think it the officials what? Eight or nine percent? Yeah. Which which means which means about fifteen, twenty percent. I think so. Yeah, I think so too. Okay. The last census was five years ago and we've had millions.

in since then. Right. So it's already significantly higher. The you know, just closing the border or or preventing illegals from coming in seems to be this massive, you know, hard thing to do, even in the in the US, as we see with the whole ice thing. And the US is a more cowboy society, you'd think uh it wouldn't be a big deal because they're trying to round up

people who don't belong here and most of them are criminals and you can see all the meltdowns. So can you imagine something like that happening here in the UK? I find that very difficult to conceive. So even if but even if the uh you could slow down the immigration, the fact that they're, you know, they're reproducing much, much faster.

So it's impossible at this point. Every decade, every uh and I've already saw, for example, um a pew study said in Germany. Something like in twenty years it's gonna be, I don't know, twenty five percent Muslim. And and then what? And then how about in thirty years? So in in other words, just the status quo with nothing crazy happening and

people and politicians bickering over the little tiny minutia that never matters, okay? And saying we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that, and none of it is and and time progresses. Numbers are gonna keep growing and keep growing and keep growing. And then what do you do when England is uh fifty percent Muslim at that point? You know, or I mean thirty percent. What do you do at that point? And they're

Aggressive and they're bold and they want their way, and then and the dumb left is supporting them. And if you and and they're in the and they're in the government. And if you protest, well, you're an evil Islamophobe and you're going to jail. Okay. So that's what I foresee coming. And it's because I I just came across a Winston Churchill quote. Which I'll paraphrase. I mean, he said it I I think before uh in the context of World War Two.

about I think at the time, um, let's say, Britain's um reluctance to eng enter the war. And he basically the quote is, If you won't fight now, when, you know, you actually have a good chance And you may even be able to win without even much bloodshed, the time will come when you will have to fight and you will have abs all the odds against you and you'll probably lose. So I think that's um You know, people are just putting their hope in this or that.

I don't see any of them being able to do to undo what's been done, which is just uh it's one thing to stop immigration, but like I said, the damage is done. You can stop it and they're not they're here now. Okay, and uh reverse migration to me sounds like a pipe dream. I d I don't think it's possible. Of course, anyone can do it. And um but

uh knowing what I know about the psychology of uh Western people, it it would be it would be so seen as so in unhumanitarian. So they won't do it. It will never happen they will never do it. And so the end result will be Year after year, decade after decade, look for Muslim numbers uh to grow and with it influence and power and uh assertiveness. And will become Yeah. Yeah. Peter Bagoshin is a mutual friend of ours. He often said

Uh I think uh no one knows if he's saying this facetiously. I don't think even he knows. But he says it's time to actually make a deal with the Muslims and and just give up Europe, basically, or at least give up the UK. What do you make of of that and and what's the alternative? Yeah, I I'm hoping he's he's asked he's said that to me on on camera multiple times and I'm assuming he's being sashious because

I I mean I don't think they have to do that right now because um they can just w why make a deal? Well just continue sinking slowly. Uh at least you have these few years where you can imagine yourself as being in authority. So what's the hurry to make a deal? And then later on you can.

So I don't think I don't think they need to make a deal at this point. Uh you can just let things happen organically. Just let them take over through numbers and then eventually you'll j you'll get it in line one way or the other. So at least you have a few years before that. The whole of Europe's gone. And and I always held out this thought of okay, let's say it got worst worst case scenario, somewhere like Texas, Arizona. You mentioned the sort of cowboy cavalier attitude. Um

But that that doesn't seem to could be are they gonna hold up? Uh is there gonna be anywhere? That's the thing. That's you know, so The Texas that shocked me because in America sh Texas is kinda like that's the most redneck, you know, no nonsense. We don't play around. Everyone's got their cowboy hat and gun. And then you turn around and find out it's it's becoming so Islam it's like one of the most Islamized uh states in America.

I don't know, the numbers that I hear I haven't really confirmed them of how many mosques are being built, you know, rapidly and uh Like Islamization going on. It's just amazing if that state is going through that. Okay. And the same thing, like I told you with the immigration and ICE. They're just enforcing a law that every country has, which is uh you can't break in here and live and sp and we're going after the criminals who are already engaged in crime.

And just look at the meltdown that the general public is having. And so that's what I mean. Ultimately all of these issues is uh you have to understand all these problems are self-made. None of these are from the Muslims themselves. The Muslims are weak at this point of time. I write about history. I talk about when Muslims invaded and conquered and the people of Europe or wherever fought back and sometimes they were they were conquered, sometimes they weren't, and it was a bloodbath either way.

Right now, Islam is completely weak compared to let's say Europe or America. Um, so that's why when a lot of people complain, say Muslims are invading the UK. No, they're not. They're being invited into the UK. Let's be serious. You can stop them if you wanted to, easily. So I think the problem is all these um It's really an intellectual or epistemological problem where

you know, the society has created all these barriers that have paralyzed it that it can't act anymore because uh something about human rights or something about multiculturalism, you know, these things have have so dominated the way people think. that they can't just engage in common sense or in or or Or um implement uh policy uh non suicidal policies that are meant to preserve the host society.

But the power is there. Yeah, it could be done. That's why I say can't y yeah, the U the UK could easily get rid of the Muslim problems and wants to. It could engage in reverse immigration. It could do all sorts of things like take away all the economic boons that are given. Which will make Muslims kind of be like, Well, why am I out here in the cold and getting nothing? Uh maybe I'll leave. So there's so much I can be done. The question is.

Uh Western people have been so uh I don't know what's the best word here, but just um castration. Yeah, yeah, good one. I was gonna say emasculated. So emasculated and castrated uh that they just simply can't Do what needs doing. They don't have the stomach for it because they have to be the good guy, you know. I uh I'm the tolerant, enlightened, open-minded, progressive. Yeah. And that's what's destroying and gonna kill them. It's not the Muslims. The Muslims are a byproduct.

I don't see them as a inherent issue. It's a byproduct. It could be nipped in the bud quickly. But look at a country like Hungary and Poland. They don't have this problem. Are they more powerful than the UK and Germany? I don't think so. All they did is put up a fence and said, No, no thanks. We're good. So maybe those are the countries that That yeah, that will that will that will be the remainder of uh the West.

It's it's so crazy all of this. I I was recently uh it's interesting what you're saying about the mentality because I was recently in Israel and I went into the West Bank and all of these places and I met a lot of the Muslim uh Israelis there and uh something really struck me was that they're they're very submissive.

Uh and that was not what I've been used to in the Muslim community in the UK. Obviously there's all different kinds of people. I've met some wonderful Muslim people and some not so nice and so on. But they were ver they were sort of scared a little bit. I would ask them things on camera and they

A little bit scared, didn't want to say what they th those kinds of things because I think they unf you know, i sometimes not in a good way or sometimes in a good way, they're under the th you know, under the thumb of of the Israeli government.

Um, and it's something that it really struck me, because in the West that is not how you see Islam. It made me think, okay, so if you if you did have a You don't want an authoritarian regime, but a bit more authority. Yeah, yeah. That goes back to sort of what I was saying about the bully mentality. You know, if if you're strong and authoritative, then yeah, they become meek, docile, and responsive.

If you're like, Oh yeah, yeah, whatever you guys want, uh I I'll do anything for you, then they become aggressive and violent. It's it's it is human nature, you know, but it's uh it's especially has a long history amongst Muslim peoples. What do you think of I mean The individual Muslims coming here, as you say, a lot of them just want economic security and a a better

prosperity and all those things and a lot of them are good, nice people. Presumably they mo most individuals who come here don't want to be under some kind of regime as they would be in Iran. Presumably then is that the is that the the hard thing? But but i if l lots of them come at once yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n

Yeah, because the and that's one of the problems when they come in huge numbers, they they they don't assimilate because they just stay amongst each other. That's why you have here in this country, as I understand it, Muslims who've been living here for decades don't speak a word of English. Yeah. Okay, because

they become ghetto wise, they live in their own enclaves and then guess what? Well, Islamic culture prevails'cause that's what they know. And uh so they never have a chance to assimilate. So if anything, that's one more reason not to have so many because And we've seen this before in other contexts and countries and nations, when you bring small amounts and then they can assimilate quickly because they they have to be they're they're amongst the whole society.

But in this case, um but again you also have to be cognizant of this. I find this generational thing interesting. It's not the ones who, you know, who came twenty years ago, uh, first generation, and then he freaked out and said, uh, I'm gonna become a radical.

It's the it's the one that was born here or or second generation or gr you know, like a th a grandkid who was born here. He's the one that turns to Islam. And I think it goes back to what I was saying, which is uh this sort of um, you know, repulsive repulsed by Western liberal culture.

Um again, this is the same idea we're talking about, the the bully, you know. Yeah. It's it it doesn't the more you appe uh this is the kind of culture where the more you appease and uh cajole and and try to give them what they want. The they don't reciprocate and say, Oh, what a gentleman. Let me uh also be a gentleman. No, it's seen like, oh, he's weak. That's why he's doing that, because I'm stronger.

And then it gives them confidence and then they want more. Um so that's why I think those genera those younger guys But then fall back to their heritage because they find that that's the best way to respond to Western weakness. What is takia?

Takeah is a um it's an Arabic word. It comes it's d it's derived from the Quran, Quran uh three twenty eight. Long story short, it's it's a doctrine that tells Muslims you can dissemble around the non Muslim, um, if and when you've that non Muslim is has authority over you. So if you're a Muslim living in the UK.

And you're outnumbered obviously by infidels, you can dissemble your true intentions. And um as long as in your heart you're still a Muslim, trying to do the Muslim stuff and the, you know, whatever i whatever helps Islam and fellow Muslim. Um that's a broad umbrella term, but there's all other there's a host of other um uh technical uh doctrines that also promote deception against um the infidel. Muhammad himself said war is deceit.

On the one hand. On the other hand, according to Islamic doctrine, the non Muslim the the Muslim world is at perpetual war with the non Muslim world. they have an Arabic term Dar el Salam versus uh Dar al Harb, right? And so until the Islamic world subsumes one way or the other, the non Islamic world, they're at war. Now

even though it's perpetual and existential, there can be truces when the Muslims are weak. And uh so whenever they're weak, they can of course take time. It's not supposed to be suicidal. It's not like you have to always declare jihad even though your enemy's so much more powerful. And that's sort of the um the t that's the phase we're in in general with the Muslim world.

But um if if war is deceit and um you know you can play around and w and when you're weak you don't have to engage in violence, well then you have a blank Blank check to engage in Takea twenty four seven. And a lot of clerks have said that. Okay, because we're at what so when they come let's say here, well, you're the infidel. There's another even deeper doctrine um which I translate as loyalty and enmity in Arabic Al Walla which is

Muslims have to stay clean of non-Muslims and even hate them. Okay? And they have to help and ally with Muslims. And they even say, even if the non-Muslim is good to you, you have to hate them. And even if the m fellow Muslim's not good to you, you have to h work and work with him. So it's like the ultimate tribalism.

uh with a theological veneer. And um that's very prominent because that's what prompts the jihad. Okay. If if you're the other, this is all ultimately remember a tribal mentality, what Muhammad did is he just deified tr the tribal mores of seventh century Arabia, which were such that were one tribe and everyone outside the tribes are the enemy. They exist to be killed, plundered, enslaved.

So now he took that same thing, but now it became not the other tribe. Well, yeah, the other tribe of non Muslims. So everyone else is a part of the other tribe. Therefore we don't befriend them. Um but Unless you have to. And then there's I mean, there is all sorts of well known clerks uh who say you know, smile to the face of the infidel, but while your heart curses them.

Um y in other words, you have to do what ya whatever you have to do as long as you m remain Muslim. And one primary example happened uh during the Reconquista where the Christians essentially drove the Muslims out of Spain. At the very, very end. uh when they were holed up in one final city and uh the Christians said either convert or leave.

They got a fetwa saying precisely this, takeah. It was okay, you can all you can go get baptized, Catholic nation, you can and you know, uh partake of the communion, go to their church, do everything, but remain a Muslim. And this went on, there's records. uh generation after generation. And there's I I I always quote, there's a a fame a Spaniard who writes and he says, he's I think he was a priest, he says, these these people were better Christians than us.

They went to church more often. They seemed more pious. And then they found out at home there were Muslims preaching hatred uh for the infidel. And this was generation after generation. So that's how deep that can go. And I often wonder, I can't imagine Western Europe having the intelligence apparatus to even begin to understand, you know, that deep psychology and how it actually impacts.

Muslim behavior. It's funny because as you speak, I was thinking you've got a certain Javier Bardem look. And he's a Spanish actor who is about as woke as it we're wearing the the Palestine stuff and all of that. But you've uh you'd have got s has anyone ever told you that? No, that that particular actor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But in a good way, he's a ha he's a handsome man. But the sp the Spanish are about as bad as anyone at this woke.

Nonsense. The Spanish spent uh uh seven, eight hundred years, okay, being terrorized and fighting to get Muslims out of their country. And then and then this this shows you again the dangers of not knowing your history. Yeah. And uh last I heard they just gave a like a blanket check to five hundred thousand or a million Africans that just came up and they said, Okay, yeah, you can stay.

Sh they just don't get it. It's just amazing. This is this is, you know, the the classic example of those who ignore history are destined to repeat it. But they, I mean, this is something that was taught in every school. That's the funny thing. Spain's patron saint. is uh Saint James Mataborus. You know what that means? Saint Saint James the Moor Slayer. And there's all the images of him are on a horse with a sword and then a bunch of turban.

Dark guys underneath being stomped. Well they're not gonna allow that to be celebrated anymore. No, well of course not. But I mean the reason I tell you that is it shows you that, you know, uh uh Spain was forged in that environment of constant warfare with Muslims. And now all of a sudden, oh yeah, n none of that matters. They they were just bigots and uh oh we're in a new age of enlightenment and you know, they didn't know how to live and coexist. You know, no, that's not it.

of of all of that, the the stuff he comes out with. And he's being paid uh huge sums by the Emirati who who seem to actually be I mean that that's an interesting topic in and of itself, isn't it? Because they don't seem to be uh Something to worry about, the the Emirate States, uh as as much as maybe the the Pakistanis and so on. What's your take on that?

Look, if if it's if it if it's a Muslim, if i i a Muslim state, if that person's a true Muslim, and this goes back to the sort of what you were saying, you know, people coming for the good life and the moderates, it's just hard to tell because Okay, his name is Muhammad and he comes from a Muslim country, right?

He may not know or care about Islam or you know the corn, just like so many Jews and Christians, right? You call them Christians and Jews, but they're secular. Yeah. So you can of course have that with a Muslim and they're and then they come, you know, for the the the good life or whatever.

But even those people you have to always remember, they still have the cultural Islamic thing in their mind. So you don't have to be uh an ISIS person who j a r a radical is someone who reads the Quran and he literally tries to implement sort of teachings.

The cultural Muslim though, you know, he may not know any of this, but it's just part of his upbringing. And uh he doesn't even know where it comes from. Okay, so th so something like deception, I'll be honest with you, that is very much imbued culturally amongst um Muslim people. They probably don't even know the word the word takea, a lot of them. They and they don't know where it comes from. But it's because it's so normalized, then it becomes just it just permeates the culture.

Which is that which begs the question'cause there's a lot of people concerned that that takea aspect about so so our party in hi here re reform, they're the ones who are saying we're gonna stop immigration and so on. And they're they're very much seen by some on the left as the anti Muslim And yet it's it's it has people very high up in it who are Muslim.

Which I think is often done. I mean the same reason that the Greens have got a gay Jew in charge of them and uh um so we've got Zia Yousuf, we've got um Leila Cunningham, who I've uh who seemed like brilliant speakers, really smart. Ca can the British people and it it seems unfair to even ask a question because they're such nice, lovely people and I've met them. Can the British people trust those people? Can they? Um

I don't know. I don't trust any person. I'll tell you it's like this. Here's another analogy I'll give you, okay? Let's let's let's give Muslims the benefit of the doubt. And you know, I even even the most liberal sort of estimates I hear will say something like, you know, only ten percent are radical.

Only 10% support the ISIS or whatever, you know, Al-Qaeda view. Let's go with that. I think it's bigger the number, but let's go with 10%. So you know what that's like? That's like I give you a a jar of candies. There's a hundred. And I know for a fact, because I've already admitted ten percent are radical, ten of these are poison. All right.

Now here, go give it to your kids. Would you? No. Because you know, you know that, yeah, most of them are going to be good. But how do I tell which is the good one? I can't. So when you m when you give me an analogy or the example that you said about this or that politician How can you tell? I mean, we already know some are actively engaged in Takea and lying and have n are doing what they want to do.

And we know that's a doctrine that's been going on forever. So how do I know that particular Muslim is doing that? And we also know some aren't, some, you know. But of course, here's what I think. The benefit of the doubt should not be or the burden of proof should not be put on me. You see what I'm saying? It's it's in other words, it it's it's really your problem, Mr. Muslim, because you come from this background and I know all this stuff about Islam, and you may be innocent.

But really the burden of proof has to be on you, not me, because if it's on me, I I have to take that risk of the hundred candies. And I don't want to take a risk. Even if it's one candy, I'm not gonna take that risk. Okay, and I'm sorry, but you're part of a religion that makes it like that. So why do I have to be the one to take the risk? Uh even even if you are innocent. You might be. I already said ninety out of ten. Maybe so maybe there's a ninety percent chance you're innocent.

But I don't and and see so that's what's happening actually if you look at the politics today. That is what the authorities are doing. They'll tell you we know there's a radical, but they're a minority, 10%. So okay, it's worth it. We're gonna bring him in and we're just gonna have occasional lash outs and Muslims stabbing people and driving trucks and blowing things up. Okay, it's worth it for us. Apparently. But if you said I don't want any of that.

Okay, I really care about my people. And um, you know, that's just the way it is. And I'm sorry for all you good Muslims who are out there. Um, but that's just it uh it's i again, the burden of proof is on you. And you know how you can uh prove it? Well, I guess leave Islam.

Even though that doesn't work because uh like we already said, that that could be a a ruse. Yeah. It's something. Yeah. Yeah. What what about the Jews? Okay. A lot of people on the far right, I mean I'm a Jew myself, a secular one, but a lot of people on the far right are are are suggesting the Jews have help to bring this in. It's a the r great replacement theory.

And so on. Is and and this is we're not the mainstream. If that's true, then I wanna know. Is there is there truth in some Jewish people doing that? Honestly, I don't know, and I hear this, but y my take is always this. The only good thing about the Western system is it's

technically transparent, which means we know where the buck stops and who makes the decisions. Right? In the UK it would be Stormer. Yeah. Okay. Is I don't know. Is he Jewish? Okay. So he's the one that all the pressure needs to be put on him because he's making a decision. Now whether

There's a secret cabal behind him who's telling him to do this or not is really kind of an irrelevant point. He's the guy that was chosen. He's the guy that makes the decisions. He's the guy that has to be held accountable. That's the way I see it. I think that makes more sense. Yeah, yeah. And the the guys responsible for the for the most immigration was the Conservative Party. That was David Cameron, Boris Johnson.

Uh they're the ones who are doing it. I don't I don't you know if George Soros is floating behind their back or whatever the case may be, you're still the guy that's doing it. But that's that's where the accusation comes from, doesn't it? It's the Soros. It's th there there is a contingent of very left wing Jews, just as a right wing and centrist Jews. I hear that too, yeah. Yeah. Those guys

do vote for left-wing policies often. Right. But a lot of immigration immigrants do, don't they? They come to a country and then they all start, which is I think is that true that's the case it seems to be as well. A lot of the left part, the parties on the left, seem to be admitting almost and you know that they're bringing in more and more women to vote for them. Well the i the Spain example I'm pretty sure

Um, you know, I told you they took in like five hundred million. They literally some some politician was a woman, sh I heard I saw a video and she's boasting and she's saying, so you can replace the the racist right you know, right wing voters. Literally. They just admit it. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's so obvious now. It's uh you know, the cat's out of the bag, as it were. Yeah. Oh absolutely. What about um

It's it's actually got nuts the last year. I mean do you do you follow I mean you're in stadium. Not a whole lot, but I mean I'm familiar, yeah. It's the football stadiums firstly. That's one of the biggest cultural institutions. And stadium after stadium, the the the football teams on Twitter, the soccer soccer teams.

uh are having prayers being held, Islamic prayers in in the stadia. Um we've got King Charles constantly holding in the palace Muslim prayers and things like that. Are we further gone than people even realize? Yeah, I actually spoke with someone recently about uh King Charles and he made an interesting point. He said, Well he does that because he he's you know, it goes back to sort of the colonial era and he feels like he's the king of all the people, subject peoples, many of who are Muslims.

So he has to represent them to um okay, so you know, okay, I suppose that makes a little bit of sense. But having said that, I just don't think that any ne any nation, any culture, any civilization, let's say Britain. Should in any way, shape or form you know, moderate water down or uh suppress its culture to accommodate anyone.

And the reason for that is nobody does that. Muslims don't do that. Hindus don't do that. Buddhists don't do that. Okay? Who who does that? Japanese don't do that. Nobody do that. And they shouldn't, because hey, this is our land, this is our law, this is our culture, you assimilate.

So when I see that sort of thing, which I'm seeing with both with Charles and just everyone else, you know, all the politicians and the overall uh I I heard for example last Christmas um they try a lot of some countries would m especially that have large Muslim populations would make, you know, the images the the traditional images kinda they'd make them more bland so you don't even know what you're looking at. Like like let's say Manger scene, Mary and J

It would just be like three heads and you don't even know what that is. Um, so that's that's a perfect example of actually just capitulating and in so doing, radicalizing Muslims even more, emboldening them because you're showing them, yeah, these people, they're weak.

Let's take over. I think there's a bit of victimhood as well. That victimhood kind of grows uh the more you're given. It's the same thing as what you're saying, the entitled feeling. But if you're you have years and years where uh they won't show the main Or or they won't they don't say happy Christmas or

than when someone does say Merry Christmas. Each individual Muslim probably does feel like, Hey, yeah, okay guys, you we'd agreed about it. Yeah, exactly. Well that's what happens'cause you've accustomed them to being a pansy. So how dare you how dare you now, you know, try to we've already agreed we don't want to see these things and you gave in. Yeah.

Do you think there are how deep does this go in terms of elites, in terms of globalists, Davos, these c that kind of class of people getting embedded with the Muslim brothers? I think there's uh th there's, you know, levels to it. You know, the heist echelons I think it's that sort of thing, the globalist Um, who who very consciously know what they're doing, you know, the the soros mentality, okay, that's that's their

But then the rank and file are just, you know, your average person, uh, including a lot of these politicians, they're just, you know, they're they're so part of the matrix they can't even think or realize what they're doing is wrong or bad because they've they're they've been drinking the Kool-Aid more than anyone. So they really believe in this stuff. They're the ultimate useful idiots and they're more the masses.

And then the real masses of course would be any you know, the typical left w woke person uh who who's not even a politician, but he's brainwashed by by, I don't know, social media or whatever. Um, so I think it kinda it is a l a little bit top down in that sense. Um, but yeah, I I all I I also think there has to be some, you know, the top echelon has to be conscious of what it's doing. And whatever that agenda is, globalization, um I r I recall um what was his name? A famous uh UK politician.

In during Bush's era. Uh whether in Blair Blair Blair Blair. Yeah. Yeah. Like apparently back then he said something like that, like, Yeah, my goal is to make sure that uh Britain

He said something like s stick one in the eye of every oh I need to figure I'm gonna look that up never when your next song and have a look at what that was. The Kool-Aid thing about drinking the Kool-Aid, yeah, that was flavorade and but it got changed to Kool-Aid. It was flavorade and it was um Oh was it? It was the Jonestown tragedy. Oh, yeah. Jim Jones to uh

Some South American place and set them all up there and then they all drunk flavored with probably cyanide or some sort of poison and they all died. But it just shows what an ideology can do. Exactly. That is the perfect example of it.

God. Um and then I g I'm gonna look that up in a second about what Blair actually said'cause you're right, that which is fascinating. And that's way back then, you know. So his his uh Well there was you mentioned nine eleven at the beginning. Um it it's it's really like It that was sort of a moment where we could have gone one of like two ways and the reaction after that was all the Hollywood guy.

I just and and even Bush saying Musla Islam is a religion of peace. It's extraord is that's why I wanna get onto this like elite side of it. I mean, I was told recently the Muslim Brotherhood is fifty years into a one hundred year plan. It was Charles Asher's small Have you uh have you looked into that? I don't know particularly about fifty one hundred year, but I I I do know they definitely work very incrementally. Uh I think in two thousand I wanna say nine.

Uh the FBI uh busted all these uh br Muslim Brotherhood documents, which uh uh including famous organizations like CARE in the US And it literally said that we are engaged in a civilizational jihad against America. in this case and uh and and then we're gonna do X, Y, and Z. We're gonna use their own system against them until we sabotage their miserable house. These are verbatim quotes. The civilizational jihad, the sabotage, the mis miserable house.

So it's uh it and that's how these things always are. They're very long term, very incremental, very subtle. You have to do it incrementally. That's how people get used to it, right? You you introduce something very subtle in the beginning and then Give it a few years and people accept it. That's the new norm. And then you go a little further. Um, so that that definitely is an agenda of the Brotherhood and all sorts of Islamists.

That's what makes the the Brotherhood type more dangerous than the Isis type. The ISIS type, you know what you're dealing with. just you know pure savage carnage. Yeah. Uh but the Muslim Brotherhood type is the is the sort that, you know, they they use the West's own infrastructure.

and uh system against it. And uh like I said, do it subtly and incrementally. That because that was remarkable that you had the president right after the biggest terrorist attack ever coming out and saying it is a religion of peace. Yeah. Yeah. And this is back in two thousand one, before Wokery, you know. Yeah. We had even you know, fifteen years ago we had in the UK there were documentaries on the BBC about the Islamic infiltration.

UK and what was really happening, the radicalization of the mosques. Um, we had people looking at certain towns and going back to their hometown and saying, Shit, what's going on here? This is crazy. And then silence. Like it got to that point. It's like it passed that point and now there's no more. Does the average American, do they just have no idea what's about to hit them?

Yeah, probably. The average American unfortunately just you know, they're I w I imagine like the average Westerners just their noses on their phone, social media. And the worst part is though th then some of them are watching Fox News or whatever, CNN and they think they're in Well and uh I don't know. You know, I don't know if you're informed or indoctrinated. Okay. So a lot of it seems to me the people who think they're informed are the least.

Because they it's it's kinda like the same phenomenon of uh what's going on with public schools. You go there and you think you're the educated one, but you've actually your head's been filled with all sorts of nonsense, including woke nonsense nowadays. Um I think by and large I obviously a lot it's hard to say, but a lot of people I think viscerally understand something's wrong here too.

And but they can't put their finger on it. And I think one of the reasons for this is like I said, we keep looking at symptoms, not root causes. And the symptoms, uh so well, Islam is a symptom. Islam in the West is a symptom. It's not the root cause. And um the root causes uh as all root causes are, are ultimately more philosophical. And that's why they're harder to kind of pinpoint and understand and

Usually they've taken generations to actually mature and uh permeate society. But in this particular case, for example, That's why I say okay, let's say the West UK, okay, could tomorrow take care of the Islam problem. They could physically, they have the capacity to do it, they have the authority to do it, right? But the mentality has so changed. In other words, if I if uh if all the you the native Brit living here, okay, the white native Brits, were replaced by their great grandparents.

The Islam problem would be solved in a few days. We're gonna give you an allowance, some money. Um but that's just the way it is. What are you gonna do about it? Okay, but now the philosophical underpinnings of their descendants is such that I can never even conceive of doing that. Because I'm a humanist.

Because that might traumatize someone. Because uh okay, see, all these sorts of uh things that have crept into the Western epistemology have paralyzed people. Okay. W so it's not that it can't be done, it can be done. Lots of things can be done. You know, the you can can be go back to being merry old England if it wants in any time, okay? But

It be due to these really uh uh you know, paralyzing philosophies that have just permeated the culture so much and the epistemology, people can't act. All they can do is Talk about this new party, this new politician, I'm gonna vote and but if you zoom out and look at what's happening, it's just been a complete downhill spiral. Uh it doesn't it doesn't matter, you know. Uh the ideology Uh multiculturalism, individualism, the liberty that we've had in the nineteen hundreds and the early.

the UK and the US and Europe. It's really strong and it's really attractive. So that even I I I I've been doing this show called Heritage. You know, against a lot of the the the mainstream and so on. Even I've balked at the idea of oh but but sending people back who are individuals who live here and it's I'm only getting to the point now. It's taken years of speaking to people like you every other day for two and a half years.

To to even get to a point where I'm going, uh Shit, maybe we've got no choice. And so you'd have to sit like clockwork orange. You'd have to sit the average person down, hold their eyes open for two years. That's how you get people out of cults. It's slow. You can't. But there isn't much time for that. That's the problem. It's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen.

Shit, man. I don't know. And then they would say, a lot of those people would say, as a Scientologist would say, of anyone who's disagreeing with them, they're a suppressive person. Those are the words they use. They go, don't listen. Basically, they would say that we've been that you and I are radicalized. Yeah. And we're blackpilling. Yeah. How do we how do we make them realize we're not we're not, or maybe we are.

Uh, I'm not radicalized, I'm just normal. That's what everyone says though. That's like people saying I don't have an accent. I'm I'm just all I'm well, I I see your point, but what I'm saying is I'm just telling you how things work historically and and how things can work today. Uh If you want something done, look, if you're gonna define your culture and your policies

by the way they are defined, which is, you know, the fr human rights and and of course I'm not attacking human rights, but they've also been weaponized, you have to understand. All these terms. Multiculturalism. You know, what what's so great about multi when you think about it, do you know what a culture is? They seem to think that cultures are uh exotic food. No, actually a culture is a distinct worldview.

So how's it great when you get a society where everyone has a different worldview, different priorities, different ethics, and you throw'em in together. That's good. I think I'd prefer homogeneity. You know what I mean? Uh that's how a country should be. Now it's it's one thing to say different races. I'm I'm I have no problem with that. As long as they all share the same

You know, um, this the same priorities and the same culture. Okay, that can work. But to bring in and celebrate the fact that everyone believes in something differently. Okay, so even in in and of itself, that's insane. Why would any country want that? And we celebrate that. It makes sense.

Yeah. So people don't they they they just they don't get it. They've been duped. Um it's a beautiful word as well. It's a beautiful well, it's been made beautiful, okay. And I like I said Most people think it means uh instead of walking out of my bland British house and just seeing a bunch of white people all stuffy, I'm gonna see exotic Indians and I'm gonna see a turbaned man and I'm gonna go get really authentic food and wow, that's awesome.

That's multiculturalism. Well, no, actually the real thing about multiculturalism is all those people have a different worldview than you. Completely different. They fight each other. Yeah. There's a reason I said this to someone recently. I said, Would you go and live in Pakistan? And he he said no. I was we're having an argument. And uh he said no. Well why not? He's like, Well I d I don't know actually. Well maybe I would I have

But he'cause he was just like he was fine with the influx of Pakistani community. So I said, Would you live there?'Cause that's what we're bringing here. And uh he started by saying like no I wouldn't and then he continued by saying, Well I haven't been there actually, so he's lying. He's trying to save face. Yeah, maybe I would live there in Pakistan. It's like I I know so many people who were quite woke or multicultural who've gone on holiday to India with their girlfriends or wife.

And walk down the street and had the most appalling that is that is what that has to happen, I think, with the 50, 60 million Brit. Every and Americans, they all have to go on holiday with their blonde wives. And walk down the street in India. In in you know, not in every city. Well, or or just here in London, right? Yeah, well that's it. It's not it's a joke. What what's what is going on? Tell me a little bit uh and and and uh relatively briefly, but but what's

What's what's happened in Iran? What's so so there was a Shah, then there's this what's gone on?

Yeah, uh as far as the you know, the minute to minute thing, I don't think anyone knows. There seems to be a kind of a clampdown which makes sense during war. You don't wanna actually say what's going on. But uh Yeah, the Shah, of course, is the original guy who was who was secular, um, and it's his son that I think the US is supporting and trying to supplant and bring him in. Yeah.

And Iran's you know, the history of Iran and its actual you know, who it is, it's it's so different than most of the Muslim world. It's very, very different. So first of all, it's it's the only nation it got conquered very early, but it kept its language. Which is very bizarre. Okay. Uh all the other countries, my people, the Copts of Egypt, they had their own language. It's the the Coptic language, it's the pharaonic language.

It exists only in the liturgy in church. You know, it's not a spoken language anymore. That's why we call 22 or 23 countries Arab countries, because their first language is Arabic. Coptic came from the ancient Egyptian, it's the final form of the ancient of yeah, so we don't use hieroglyphics in it's no we use uh Greek alphabet and seven different uh characters that don't exist.

But it's the same words. Mm-hmm. You know, so it's spelled with Greek alphabet. Wow. But yeah, so if you hear a Coptic liturgy, that's how the pharaohs would've sounded. That's amazing. It is kinda cool.

like that. And so it so Iran is different. Yeah, Persian, Farsi. Farsi. Um that's what they speak. And uh it and and also they kept their culture And then when they you know, they become Shia Muslims, which is uh you know, the the heretical Muslim form, you know, the Mun most of them are Sunnis, so they're the outcast. Which is of the minority, ten percent

And they have a a kind of a different theology. So they have this hidden imam. Okay. Imam imam, you may know the word from Sunnis like a prayer leader. Their imam means like the great leader who's sort of almost like an immaculate. He's a descendant of Muhammad ultimately. Right. You know, through his daughter his daughter, uh, Fatima and and Ali.

And uh Iran's a Twelver Shia. They have numbers. There's five or seven. Twelver means um, you know, this the twelfth Imam is the one that disappeared and he's still alive. I think he disappeared around eight or nine hundred and he's gonna come back. Okay. So very, very mystical, esoteric. And the Ayatollah, you know, Ayatollah means like a like the the the the miracle of Allah. Okay. It's uh a as the same word for verse, which is like uh anyway, he's like his representative.

Now the issue that what's interesting about all this is um the eschatological component of Shia Islam is gives cause to pause, especially when we talk about nuclear weapons. Because their end days deal with this Mehdi figure. Mehdi is it means the guided one.

Also i he's gonna help bring the the hidden imam. Okay. But to do that, there has to be a cataclysmic showdown with the enemies of Islam, in this case Shia Islam, which are named we know them, the two great Satans, all right? Israel and uh America. So that's why when you think of nuclear powers, you usually think of the balance of powers. You know, it's it's a deterrence. You have it, I have it. No one's gonna use it.

Um, the mentality of this group, Iran, is a little more uh risque because they might use something like that to usher in uh the day they've all been waiting for, uh, which is when the great Imam returns. Um and this isn't just my theory. A lot of scholarly papers have been written about that particular aspect to that. And it really permeates especially the Islamic Republican Guard Corps, which is in in charge of Iran.

And you know, honestly the taking out of the Ayatollah, I don't know how good that was. I think they were counting on a decapitation strike, which To my knowledge, has never worked. But they've made a martyr of him. And um and it's if anything it seems again, depending on who I who you talk to, but it seems like it may be galvanizing a s a significant portion of the Iranian people.

So so it's a weird country then'cause we've got this country, as you said, that doesn't have Arabic. It hasn't so it seems like it's almost more secular if at the first glance. Well it it it's that's the thing. The people are supposedly very secular, but they're governed by this Mulla lot o toco, you know, the the the theocracy

But there's also, you know, a sort of relationship. You know, he's he's like this nice grandfatherly figure and they we we respect him. And that's why I wasn't I don't think smart to kill him. Uh what what what authority did he have? He was like an eighty plus year old man. It's not like uh he was the one making all the decisions.

So I don't know how smart that was. If anything, that might have like pushed even the secular mo the Iranians to be more supportive. Kind of like look at these people, they're treacherous, they killed this old man. So I don't know. That does I don't know if that was a really a good move um to help overall. Uh but but again I think they were just banking on it, the whole thing's gonna collapse if we kill it.

I think they have to kill maybe the whole um, you know, IRC the IRG, Islamic Republican Guard before that happens. I suppose no one knows the exact numbers, but uh it feels like there's this real secular group of Iranians Iranians, but I've met loads of them in England. Great people. Yeah. Just these great people. Yeah. And then there's like super extreme Muslims. But it's like those two are there. Yeah.

And then so how big is the super extreme That's the question, right? And it depends on who you talk to. Some people tell me, Oh, it's ninety five percent they're secular, cool. Uh then I'll meet someone else he's like, No, no, it's like it's more like sixty percent are kinda

It's not that they're radical, but they're conservative, which means they do back the regime. For heritage reasons, for pride, for honor. We're not gonna you know, who are these infidels to come and kill this old You know, who maybe we don't like him but he represents us, you know, it's it's that honor culture.

Okay. Yeah. Is there any chance you think that it i they it it gets overthrown, maybe the shark comes back in or Sure. Yeah, yeah. I mean uh at this that's what I mean. I don't know what's going on, uh, but that definitely is a uh plausible possibility. Or not even necessarily the Shah, it just could be just someone else who is politically elected. Politically elected and ideally you know pro uh US, pro Western, pro Israel.

I'll I mean are there examples? I think you mentioned Spain before uh of you know, this kind of when Islam gets embedded in with the elite establishment where they've then been pushed back out and and a c and a country a culture has been regained.

Are there other examples aside from the other? Are there other examples? Yeah. Oh, you're talking about like where let's say a conquered people pushed out Islam? Yeah. Oh, there's plenty. Um uh you you have to remember that. If you look at the seventh century when Islam starts spreading through jihad essentially

If you want to talk about let's just talk about the Christian world or Christendom, which people thought was Europe. It was. It was actually not even all of Europe. It was southwest of the Danube and Rhine. But it was mostly North Africa and mostly the Middle East, what we call so I'll think of all those Middle Eastern countries Syria, Israel, Lebanon. Jordan, um, Egypt, uh Syria of course, Egypt, Libya, all the way to Morocco.

And Asia Minor, Turkey, all of that was Christian, more Christian. That's why Constantine, the Roman Emperor, moved his capital to the east, because that's where it all was. Now all of that was conquered in one century. Okay, by Islam. And that's why it's kinda funny because people seem to think that that area was always somehow kinda like Muslim.

Yeah. Turban wearing people. Well actually it was that was a more sophisticated, richer, and even theologically advanced portion of the Christian world. You had five major centers known as seas. One was in Rome, the other four, which were j just as equal, were all absorbed and conquered by Islam. Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem, and later Constantinople.

So think about that. Now as far as um those so who did actually th the ones that we so the Muslim world as we know it, MENA, Middle East, North Africa, obviously those people were not able to get rid of Islam, but there were uprisings, believe it or not, here and there. But people forget Southeast Europe, the Balkans were conquered by Islam, um, you know, the under the Ottomans. They came all the way up to s uh g Vienna.

Hungary was conquered. That's why Hungary says we don't want Muslims. We know what it's like to live with Muslims because we were conquered for 150 years. But a lot of the other Balkan nations were too. Russia, you know, you may have heard of the of the Tatar or the Mongol yoke. Well, they became Muslims.

And uh the same sort of it was the same paradigm immediately, uh, in Gulf Russia where, you know, with the m the Muslim master, you're the infidel, you know, you have to pay the tribute and live as so the whole thing there. So Um and they but all those countries did manage to push Islam out. Russia and the the Balkans and Hungary.

And but that was much later than Spain because they co they got conquered later and, you know, basically let's say Hungary got freed of um Islam completely and totally in the seventeen hundreds. Okay. Greece was under the Ottoman yoke. We know what the Ottomans did to the Armenians and the Assyrians and the Greeks. OK It's just difficult'cause all of those countries they were live they were in a time where they didn't have this kind of multiculturalism and the

human rights area. Right. Yeah. So they were more normal and down to earth and they knew what it was. We'd have we'd have to act in a way that is not not not we just won't do that. Yeah.

Okay. Who um I've got one more question for you, but where where can people find your work and Yeah, thanks. Um well I have a Substack, which I think is in my name, uh Substack uh page, and um also my books, uh you can find them on my website, Raymondabrahim.com or on Amazon. Um my newest book just came out, Two Swords of Christ, which actually deals with a lot of these themes and um a lot of people are liking it.

And um yeah. I hope my YouTube channel. Oh yeah, of course as well. Well we'll link to all of that. I hope people do go and check it out because it's so important that people, I mean if if nothing else, be informed. Yeah. Like that that's essential. So they need to be informed. So I hope people will go and check all of that out. Um Who is a heretic you admire? A heretic I admire. Hm. That's a good question. Oh, I know.

Vlad the Impaler. Hmm, go on. Well, Vlad the Impaler, as we know him, Dracula, is of course a demonized figure, uh by all means a heretic, of course. Most Christians would literally call him a heretic. But in the real history that I delve into and talk about, um, I have a whole chapter about him actually in one of my books, Defenders of the West, the Christian Heroes Who Stood Against Islam.

I look at the primary sources and what I see is, yeah, he engaged in violence and brutality, but so did everyone else and he was really weakened and outnumbered, so He engaged in a little bit more to make a point. But if you look at who he was, he what he identified as himself as a Christian, Orthodox in this case.

And uh he was fighting to defend his people from the Muslims, the Ottoman Turks, who were coming and demanding boys to become Janissaries. That's what they would do. They would take Christian boys and force them to become jihadists. Yeah, and enslavement and all that. So he got very brutal uh in order to fight that back and it In in Romania, his homeland, and also in a lot of eastern Europe, he's he's seen as a hero.

But here in the West, uh, you know, a heretic is just begins to touch on who he is. He's actually a blood sucking demon that, you know, sleeps uh by day and I mean sleeps in a coffin by day. He wasn't. That's a great heretic. That's the first time he's been mentioned as a as a heretic. I love that. Um people, um I've got a couple of questions to ask Raymond on on the substack. That's andrewgoldheretics.com. Meanwhile, hit this like button and keep watching this.

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