The Delightful Deviant Behind "The Human Centipede"

free to skip ahead about one minute. The movie, the first of a trilogy, starts with the familiar horror trope of two pretty young women getting a flat tire at night in the rain in the woods. I think we're supposed to turn. I thought you know exactly where we were? What was that? They end up in the home of a demented surgeon. Then the familiar tropes end because Dr Hyder, once a get this respected separator of Siamese Twins, has

a late career goal. It's to kidnap three people, sever their knees and so their bodies together mouth to anus, creating one long digestive system. It's a bleak movie, terrifying and bloody, Deeter Laser's suave doctor Hyder is mangel alike in his dispassionate cruelty, and the victims play their roles with no wink or nod to break the tension, but shock wears off. The movie that Roger Ebert refused to review is now firmly a part of the American popular culture.

We have a long treasured tradition here on our show, which celebrates the Festival of Lights. It's time once again for our annual lighting of the human centipede Menorah humans. The originator of the human centipede is improbably a charming panama hat wearing young Dutchman named Tom six. He had just arrived from Amsterdam and brought with him his longtime business partner who's also his sister. We think, how do you pronounce your first time again? Ilona? Okay, So we've

all met before. Because I was in the unique club of people who watched your magnum Opus and was just knocked out. I thought, my god, I've got to meet the guy that made this movie. And you were so cheery, you were like it. We was so kind of animated and boyish in a way I was prepared for. You were like Ronnie Howard, Hello Alec, I am Tom and this is my sister Elona, and she was like hello Alec. There was no black clothes and like spider webs in the corner. The dangerous thing right You said to me

and said we are going to redefine evil? He said exactly, And I got a chill. I thought, Man, if anybody's going to redefined evil, it's you. What is horror to you in film? In filmmaking to me is when you're in a situation, you're attached to a to an asshole, You're in a situation where you can't leave, and it's worse than death. You want to die but you can't. Absolutely, where did you first get the idea? It's very simple,

wasn't your idea? Yeah? Definitely. I was watching television and there was a child molester on and he did the most terrible things to two children and he got a very low sentence because of a mistake they made. And I was angry, and I said, day suit, stitch his mouth to the anus of a fat truck on me, because that would be a great bunch something good. Out of a desire for justice absolutely emerged, this twisted idea

of your film. Absolutely, you said this man should have his mouth sown to the of the famous trunk driver, on his hands and knees because death would be in sever his knee, like absolute, we can't run away. Absolutely, And then I immediately my then girlfriend I put it on their hands and knees and I took a picture and then I photoshopped her behind each other. And I

thought that a great idea for a movie. This looks amazing, But at the same time, it's so incredibly horrifying the idea that you have to without saying, well, I wouldn't say swallow. You're part of a chance of a digestive chain that happened. It's hideous. But in your movie, uh, this is not an act of justice. We're not taking the child molester. I did it show him right your

first film. There was no justice there, and I thought I need one of those old villains as as the finger stign doctor almost created like a Peter Yeah, definitely. And can you imagine he did over seventy films and the guy was never cast as a horror villain never never what did he play? Oh? Good, guys, it's great. I'm sorry. I'm really going to struggle to keep a straight face with you. I can't believe a funny meeting

you to roll our conversations. But so before you made this movie, before you saw this horrible child lester who was not meeted out a proper sentence for as your concern, what was your childhood look in terms of film going. I already loved horror films. I went to the video stores and I my parents let me rent all those horrible were your favorite films? Could Joe from Stephen King, all those zombie films? Everything? I swallowed it up, and

I have this really big imagination. So when I was a little kid, I said, I want to be about to make films when I grow up. You did, Yeah, definitely make films. A little camera When you said my grandfather he came was the first film you mad? It was a horror film, an alien caming out of a guy's stomach. Had you seen the movie? Yeah, you're just

kind of taking that. You're riffing on playing with her character. Definitely, so you had did you what kind of described to us if you can in the most simple terms, But how the other those effects work? Did you have like a a mannequin that you had I I built those puppets and the guy with a hand in it coming out. I built his body and all, of course in a simple way, but it already works. So what did he do for a living in? How did he die? What was the setting? Was it a space station something or

something like that. I built my room into this giant student. Yeah, very low but no, but very a little small guy at twelve or twelve yeah, yeah, yeah, but no tour that is already maybe. And then where do you go to college? I went to, uh, the New York Film Academy. Strangely enough, I did a course here and you came here? Yeah, I came here? How old? Eighteen? And I just want did your parents something like kids always want to make films?

Let's send him to New York because here I still remember there were guys from the film industry talking about film and making film and it got me so in enthusiastic. And then it was only two months and then I got back to Holland and I was hired as a television director for the first Big Brother show in Holland, and I turned out I was very good at it. So that was the first Big Brother in the world. So then John them all, the big owner of a

Big Brother. He thought, yeah, you're one of our best directors, so he sent me here. You tell American directors taking the Big Brother program obviously, which they do quite often. They do with Saturday Night Live. They do all those types of programs and they bring them to other countries and set them up in that country. So I was going well in television, but I always wanted to make films. So then I my sister, who was in law school, she quit god and then we started the six Entertainment

Company and we made three films in Holland Dutch language films. Now. One is the Two Women are Trapped in the Department Store. Yes, yes, absolutely, films like Honey's. It's like Honey, Yeah, children's movie for a little so it's Sweden innocent, okay. So so that's the first film. The second film, the first one was

in the gay disco Amsterdam. In that time, I had a very famous gay scene all over the world, and I had a couple of friends who were gazed, and they told me those horrendous stories about pill popping and all the things you do in Amsterdam. But when you're paid, popper's wild. So I made a film about that, and then I moved on to Honey's and then I went on to make I Love Drees and it's very cool. It's about a famous Dutch singer. He plays himself and he's abducted by two very fat people who live in

a trailer park. And the woman is his biggest fan. She doors the singer, so they abducted him like misery. Absolutely, but it gets worse. She wants to have his baby, so he had natural Yeah, he has to stay in the trailer until she becomes pregnant. So the husband just isn't capable of of of reproducer. Absolutely, so you have to bring in a stud sort of speed. Definitely, And this famous he's a famous musician. Seeing in real life is a real sense. He's a handsome guy. Yeah, there's

a good looking guy. Yes, what is his name? Roofings? Roofing. Yes. At the time he made the movie, how old was seeing? He was about forty I think, so he's still a little bit of tread on the tire. He wasn't completely out of the business. He was still young enough to have delight his fans. How do you get him to come and do the movie where he has to sire the child with the more beast woman. He thought it was for a candid camera show. This is not real, and I said, no, it's real. And he had to

think about it for one day. What was it about him? He thought he was game? He had exactly that guy's Yeah, how do you call it? He thinks he's a stud. He does all the training and he he spit absolutely. Yeah, So I thought this was extra horrible if he has to make love to this and and do you see scenes where they're making love? Definitely? Oh my god, definitely. How long didn't take to shoot that movie? Three weeks? Three weeks? You're shooting that movie? And how do you

get the money for the film? Like when you're walking into rooms and we're going to get to this, especially with the Centipede series, Um, how do you get people to give you money? And then when you get to the distribution part, what do you say to them? Well, Ilona as a genius aid bring in money. So she rings the whole We have this famous magazine in Holland which called the Quotes, and all the rich people are

in there. So she just goes through the cellphone. Nine of the ten people, they say you're an idiot funk off. But like one, there's one people that say no, but there's one who just can't say no to Elona. Absolutely. Then I tell the story and they are home and they want to be in the film business. Was the film successful, Yeah, on a on a Dutch scale, it's a very small Does the film make money, yes, but not like you're I don't. I don't. I don't expect that because that's I mean, you and I both know

that's you know, mission impossible. It's money, but the unless you are a mission impossible. But the um the investors got their money back. So you did the first two? So was the third the third one? Yes? Right, so you did. The first one was called gay in Amsterdam, Gay Amsterdam. You don't really wander too much from the theme. It's Gay in Amsterdam, honeyes honeys, which is loaded with double long tongue, and then uh, and then I love which one performed the best at the box? Yeah? Pretty much?

Say they made money. Yeah, but I like the third one. I love the absolutely the best. That's your favor. That's the black humor. It's dark, it's it's getting my way. What were some of the difficulties for you in handling the cast and what you're getting people to do. These very compromising very I mean, it's one thing to say that someone's going to do a sex scene with a morbidly obest woman and you're kind of sending up that

as horror. But the actress who was hired to play that part, did you have to be like overly sensitive to how she was treated and how she felt. You have to be charming always to actors and new situations like that, and you are charming. Let's thank you. And yeah, the lady I told her how, yeah, how the scene was going to be, and she she trusted me so much, so she said, let's do it. I don't have any

fear or whatever. Let's do it. And and the guy was a little bit hesitate, but I said, commandreies, you have to do this. Your fans. They're not really having not really but looks very, looks very. I'm gonna go home and watch it tonight after my wife falls asleep. That's musically what I call a midnight showing in my house. Okay, but it's just it's just such a delight to finally meet when you come back to New York again. We're

here for very briefly. Yeah, fly back tomorrow. But when you come back again as soon as possible, we need to talk about a movie. We need to do a movie together. Let's do that. So the movies make money, and you reward your investors. They get some kind of uh, you pay them, they make some kind of a profit. So after um gay in Amsterdam, honeys and I love Drees,

what's the next movie? The first human centipede? Right, the first human cent and you get the idea from the guy who gets the low And where did you do your casting for the film here in New York? Because I wanted to have the lead actresses, the two girls who undergo the procedure. Elone and I went here to New York and we had like like fifty or sixty women coming in. Oh, young, young, attracted girls. And I told them the premise and showed them the drawings I made,

and Night out of ten said your European crazy. They were angry at me. They didn't know what it was about when they came in. No, you kept it under round, absolutely right, I said, the European horror film. You said, come in, let me explain it to you for absolutely, because anything managers if you do it on the email and you explain it, they won't come. They won't come to the auditions. So the smart sponts they stayed. They

wanted to hear more. And then you put them on their hands and knees and a lot of them leave. They think that's the next round round. Then then how many remained on their knees and said, okay, let's go fro, Like like five left and we chose two in the end. Two were absolutely troops. You have to be right. So yeah, so they're artists, they're committed to can you imagine, right? So they just wanted to work with Deeter, you know, once you show them deaters real they were like, I

want to be in a movie with. So now, both these women are very pretty and very fit and very kind of sexy young ladies in in the business. And so when you're shooting the film, what's the first day of shooting? Do you could do ease them into it or do you throw them right into the icy cold water. No, we slowly started with the car in the forest and stuff and them getting the flat tire going through the house. So we slowly build up for them. Yeah, yeah, because

it's it was too much. You can imagine. They had really really definitely, and we gave them massages when they're on their hands and knees, and we we really treated them really well. What exactly did you have to do hygiene wise to make everybody comfortable about sticking their face and the butt of the person. Yeah, they're a little afraid they didn't fart or something. You have to be

very careful with that you eat. Yeah, they have there's very thin latex between their mouths and the butts, so it's there's something in between, of course, but it's close. It's yeah, it's minimals. Yeah, it's minimal, because otherwise it would look fake. Yeah, So they showered very well, and they and then they would do these things and they were on their hands and knees in the formation of the human centipede for how many hours a day? Would

you say? Not very long. It's like we shoot like ten minutes and then they break, take a break, take a break, and then we put them back again. How many days were they in the centipede mode? Almost four weeks on their hands and knees in the centipede. No, that's three weeks. I think three weeks of that sounds like hell yeah, it's three days would be more than I could bear it. When we do are moving together, no more than three days of centipede type of not

going to happen. So when the time comes to distribute the film, yes, you get minimal distribution. Correct. I have seen it's a by the Ye know who was the executive dealt with it? I have? I have it? Is Jonathan Sei. Yeah, Jonathan Yeah, wonderful filmmaker, film executive, brave guys like you. He loved he got it. Absolutely. It

was rageous and entertaining. What happened. We showed the first center Pete at the Fright Fest and in London, Yeah, and it exploded there really all the people who started talking about it. And then Fantastic Fest in America they call There's in Austin, Texas and they played it there and there it exploded again. And then Jonathan came to us, I have to have that film. I have absolutely. Yeah. And you made some money, Yeah it made money? Yeah, definitely.

You you you distribute the movie and the movie played in theaters for how long and in what parts of the world because it was banned in many places. In Germany it is banned in in England it's It's got and stuff. A lot lot of banned in Germany. Yeah yeah, definitely Foreters Family that they didn't have to be put through that, you know. And New Zealand Part two is banned. So there's a lot of banning going around. But where

did the film do well? Where where's the audience? America and a lot of Tom's six movies in England, America and Japan Japan is really they crave a good, nasty, definitely horror movie, and they react very differently when they see the film. They cheer, They are so happy they cheering. Yeah yeah, and they immediately went on their hands and knees and they wanted me to be play Deeter and Crazy and I love it. They do these like tributes

Rocky Horror. Oh yeah, they do. They get to they form humans sent to be chains outside the theater and here here as well. In Americans, how David's pate he made his Halloween costume with Sarah Silverman in the back. I believe I saw pictures of that coming along in America. It's pretty It's on the Conan O'Brien show. I saw it now, Um, the movie is distributed. What year The

Humans Sent come out? In two thousand ten? It came out, not that long ago, two centen It comes out and you get these scathing reviews and people say you're insane, lots of that. Did you really oh yeah, yeah, lots of that. Did you need to like beefed up security in your life? With part two? When we had the premiere in America, we had a guy that's because we got pictures of guys with guns and they say, you're worse than Satan. We're gonna share Humans in Part two

in America? Where was that? Austin, Texas? Austin, Yes, that was a big event. Pretty cool. What was the theatrical run to run for a few weeks? A few weeks? Definitely go on your streaming online. Where did you make most of you? Just so people understand how when a movie like this, which is very potent and very ugly, when torture porn, as you know, is that it's been used to describe a lot of your work. And I

want to get to that in a second. When the movie is is get such a strong reaction, I'm assuming it's in and out of the theater relatively quickly. Yeah, definitely, And you're online and yeah, po d that works the best. And is that where you made your money? Yes, and the movie was a success. I nancial definitely decided to do the second one. Yes, the second one. Let's just say, I think it's a masterpiece. It's a work of art because it's just this idea that I've never in my life.

I mean, I'm sitting there going, oh God, no, I mean we're watching the opening scenes. A man who works in a parking garage, who is a lonely, miserable, misshapen, kind of cloven hooved man is there watching your original film on his computer and getting the idea that he's going to recreate the movie. So in the movie part two, you summon back the actresses. Which of the two actresses was the one that came back? Jenny? She came back because he calls her and says, we're gonna go another round.

We're gonna do the sequel. What was the phone call like for you to call Ashland to come back for round? It was it easy at those very easy. I skype with her and she was so overwhelmed with the success of part one. She yeah, she got. Yeah, she was a star in her in the horror Yeah, definitely. So I said, actually we have to part two. And then I told her what it was about, and she had to swallow a few times because it's way worse than in part one. There's really a picnic in the park

part one. But she's such a trooper she said let's do it, and she never complained. And if you see

what happens to her in the film, yeah stuff. Who's the actress the kind of crow like woman that plays Martin's mother, Vivian Britton, that's in a Vivian Britain is the actress Brita Britton, a British actress, And I love her, very old lady but wonderful because when he gets out of the bed and his belly sticking out like a globe and he's in his bed as moldy bed, yeah, and the mother's like, you know, uh, you wonder what's kept the mother from like just poisoning him or just

shooting him in his sleep and getting rid of him. It's all so sad, you know what I mean? Who's your production designer? Who who creates the tableau that is Martin's bedroom? I do that myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Martin would live. Yeah, definitely. We go out for a location hunting and I think this is the place and it's a basement apart. Definitely. Yeah, I'm shitty dread and yeah, yeah I love that. Yeah, he's popping pimples and it's all over the bed too, every kind of body fluid

is oozed into the sheets. Yeah. I like your mind. Yeah, you know, it's just you can si see. It's all there. You know. That's the thing with your movies, is it's all there. You know. Theater's apartment is very neat and gleaming. It's not the castle but like wet stones, and it's like this very gleaming modern edifice, I mean and hum And when you go down to the laboratory, it's very gleaming and neat and clean. That was your idea, absolutely. Yeah.

What was the doctor's name in the first film, Doctor Hyder, And it's in a combination of two real Nazi doctors from the Second World. Yeah, that's it's it's based on the with the twins idea, but it's Dr Him and Dr Richter, and I made it into Hyder and Richter become hight what did Hyman Richter dore their camp doctors as well. But there's a stop with that. We don't

want We don't want to go too far. Key to the darkness in any horror film is the editing, the claustrophobia, the sense that something someone is lurking just off camera. Editing can make a mediocre film good and a good film great. One of the best film editors in the business, as Martin Scor says, he's longtime collaborator Thelma Schoonmaker. The thing is, you see that we create that violence in

the editing room. There's no way that DeNiro could take an actual punch all the times you see it in in the film, blood and saliva would spray off it. But it's not actually violent. When I get it, I make it violent. Here the rest of our conversation in our archive at Here's the Thing dot org. When we come back. Humans Centipede creator Tom six explains what he's doing next. Where the Human Centipede trilogy is body Horror. Six says his upcoming film deals in pure psychological horror.

This is Alec Baldwin and you were listening to Here's the Thing. If you watch the first two installments of the Human Centipede series. The first thing you notice is the stark contrast between the two villains, Deeter Laser, the domineering aristocrat, versus the Misshape and miscreant Lawrence are Harvey. Director Tom six explains the difference is that Deeter he had like a huge career. He did seventy films and

he's a big serious actor, stage actor as well. What about the actor that played Martin again, what's his name, Lawrence are Harvey. He did like very little things. Yeah, he did donut commercials, exactly very small things. You mentioned in an interview that I watched, when you said you wanted to cast someone who was the opposite of Deeter. The doctor in the original film is this gleaming kind of an intense genius, and he's this very eccentric and

even aristocratic figure. And Martin is just like, you know, like somebody expectorated on the ground. He's just a blob of the disease written blob. But that guy, I when I saw his appearance, I said, he doesn't have to speak in the film, it's just his his presence is so strong. Well, Deeter is very trained in performing with words, and theater, very commanding, very powerful. He should play fun carry on in the film. He looks like he reminded

me of fun carry on. So, um, what did you cut out of the film that you didn't put in that was even? Is there a point where even you sit there and go, we have to lose that it's just too much. I put everything in, everything that comes to my mind, and I put in the script is in it, and you shoot it, and then you cut it, and that's in the film. Yeah. Yeah, I shoot very economic, so I should exactly what I want because there's no scene you shoot when you say, oh my god, Elona,

even I have gone too far. I like in Part two, the famous rape scene and the guy puts the barber around his penis and then rapes his centipede. That's the most groups of part in the film. And we were shooting that and half of the crew they went crying and they walked away, and I was like cheering from this looked brilliant. It's like a symphony. It's almost yeah. And then I looked behind me and all those people were gone. They left, they left. He couldn't they couldn't

take it. Wow, And I what was it like with the crew, Like, did you feel the crew respected you and the way? Remember, not all directors are respected. The movie could be you know, a love story or a musical comedy or whatever. It doesn't matter. Not all directors are respected by the crew. Trust me, But did you find that your crew did respect you? Sit there and go behind your back? They go. They probably have said it,

but maybe because of the of the charm. Maybe, and because I'm entusiastic, I bring them into the story and the adventure and I tell them they know exactly what's well contagious. Yeah, maybe, and they they stand there and they see it and they laugh. For example, part one, we had a scene where the centerpieces shipping for the first time and he had feet or feeder, and he filmed that house in a suburban area where other houses were around it and people were hanging out of their

windows looking at this those scenes and were horrified. But the crew was laughing. Everybody was laughing. Yeah, you can imagine a situation like that, Yeah, well kind of. I completely Now. So number three I have not seen, and I do think I should see it, definitely, because I was told everybody that was the weakest of the three

I don't. I don't think obviously, because this is where the couple of analogy goes even further, because obviously this Godfather one, then Godfather too goes to another level that a lot of people thought Godfather three was a let down. It's the best one of all three. It's a satire. I go back to my original punishment idea, and it's

for the prisons. So I I translated to a real situation where if you do something horrible, you go to a prison, you're sewn into a human centipede, and according to your sentence, you put in it for a week or maybe twenty years. So the centipede thing is the sentence you've been talking about. This is getting back to definitely the original idea. I think crime rates will drop like pants in a whorehouse because nobody wants to be in a human centipede. Yeah, I think so. I don't

think they live, actually, I think I think. I think medically you die and be oh no. I I consulted a real doctor in Holland, and he made He said that people were to pass their waste product into your mouth and into your bloodstream and your into your digester truck. You would live. Yeah, if they get vitamin injections and fluids, they could live like that for a long time because it's not how long, it's not for a long long time.

If you get the right long enough to survive their sentence. Definitely, because the thesis is not attacked by outside bacteria, right, because it's contained. Yeah, it's stays in one constantly. Absolutely, Yeah, you're given this a lot of thought. Oh yeah, the doctor helped me for a very easet. You had gastro entrologists consulting you, a real surgeon in Holland who wanted to stay anonymous, but he made this very detailed operation report and he was on the set as well helping.

Oh my god, it's pretty cool. That's that's why. Well, cool is not the word. I wank nobody movie you. I mean, I want you to you you're you're You're free to say whatever you want to say. How long did that take to shoot? That was about six weeks. That was our longer shoot because we had like hundreds of extract prison. Yeah, big prison. And of course you had a star in the lead role. Definitely, Eric Eric Roberts. So Eric Roberts is one of the great movie actors.

In the past several years, and I worked with him once on a film. How do you get Eric Roberts to come and do the third installment? We had a skype conversation with him. He loved the first like you would love the first. Yeah, he got he got it. I said, yeah, you want to be in part three? And I said, if I don't have to be on my hands and knees centipede me, No, exactly, Yeah, And he did it. And he was governor of the state, so he's his prison is in the Is he the

one that comes up to the idea of centipeding everybody? No, that's the accountant of the warden comes and who plays that? That's Lawrence R. Harvey. I brought back Lawrence Harvey came back. Yeah, then I got to see this Harvey and Deeter is in it. Deeter is the warden and Lawrence R. Harvey is his assistant. That's like getting Marlon Brando and denro to be in Part three together. That's true in totally different roles, in totally different roles, completely on and and

Eric plays the governor of the state. And what is his what's his arc, what's his story? That this person is is really cost inefficient. So there he's looking for solutions. Yeah, he threads to shut the place down. And then you guys figure it out absolutely, and they come up with an idea under pressure and built the centipede system, which

is very cost anybody. And then the governor comes in and he's of course, he says this, this will be the death penalty for you, but in the end he understands your situation and then he says, this is exactly what America needs. Yeah, like that's yeah, you should check it out if you want. It's I think it's the best one. Did you have to pay Roberts some real money to do the movie? I may can't imagine he's cheap. It's not like Hollywood money because there's some millions of

docause those guys don't come cheap. Definitely. Now, Um, so you and I connect on Skype with your sister. Yes, no, is she really your sister? Or you say she's your sister, it's really she's really like your co producer. And you say she's your sister just to further ingrace you yourself with that she's my sister. So that kind of takes it makes it a little family business. Yeah, it is a family business. Yes, she's literally your sister. Yes, okay, I take your word for yes. Were you and I

hook up on Skype? I reach out to you? Yeah, yeah, I say, Mike, I just kind of talk to this guy. You say to me, Alec, We're going to have a group of people who are like a league of extraordinary villains, and they're all people who are dedicated. They love human suffering. The original concept for Onnania Club. They were all wealthy because because so they could fly to like to Mexico as an earthquake and see death and destruction and people dying and suffering. And then you say to me, I

want you. I like to play a oncologists, but rather than killing the cancer, you are giving people more cancer. And to tear a page out of your own life. We're going to have your wife be much younger than you, very beautiful, very fit, and you are giving your wife's the cancer. You're killing your wife. So I'm sitting there and I tell my wife this, and my wife like literally looks at me. If you saw the look at my wife's face, she was like, the whole dream of

me working with you just died in that one. My wife looked at me like, that's never gonna happen. You are never to be in within fifty miles of this guy. He sounds a complete total nutbag. And I don't even want that energy on you when you come home from work. So I know you should see him. He's very charming, I'm very a brilliant And she says, no, you can't do the movie. So then we're talking to say, okay, Alex.

So here's another idea. One of the people in the in the film is going to steal the corpses of celebrities. So I want you to come and shoot for one day, and you're going to play yourself dead in the casket. And the woman started chasing out the joint to figure out the width of the door, framed how she's gonna get the body out of there, and you play yourself dead, And I thought, fantastic, And then I couldn't even make that day work. Is all that's still in the movie.

It's all in the movie. So so it's so the League of Extraordinary Villains, you know, Nanny equip as men and women. It's you know, I change it to all women, that all women, Yes, And that's even scarier because when women women who masturbate on the misery of other people and then masturbate to suffer. Yeah, exactly, So it's yeah, it's the worst human emotion. It's shatter and freud, yes, which happens in real life. Well but in the film, yeah, definitely.

But it's dark and powerful. And have you redefined evil? Yeah? I think so, I think so. Yeah. How many of the women are in the league? How many actresses did you have to give? Five? Five women? And where are they from? American American actresses or anybody we would know? No big names? No, who's the most well known? Jessica Morris is maybe the Jessica Morris is your name? She does a series on television and stuff. And was it difficult for you to entice people to come do this movie?

Was very you can imagine because like you, I told them the story and so many were offended leave the room. Yeah, almost the same. And the smart ones they stay and they want to listen more. I love you, I love you. The people who understand who are the smart ones? They stay? That's the name of your biography out It's an analogy for the film going audience and everyone who works with you the smart ones they stay so of them aren't so smart? And you shoot for how many weeks? We shot?

Almost a month? Again? A little bit the same where in the Hollywood Hills we had this beautiful was the budget of the film? But was it? I am not allowed to talk about money, but she she's the money girl. It's a secret. Well we won't say anything, but we'll hold up some fingers, so so I can have an idea. This much you can't, okay, how how international Woman of Mystery? Yes, but you shoot in l A. No union issues. It's

all non union, of course. But have you never had any of the unions come and bother you because they know your name, they know who you were if they see and they monitor these things. But there's a casting call and you've got American actress, actress going to do a film. Sag doesn't show up and and and hassle, you know, because the actors has also worked non union, so they they specially if they were not in the union. Off they are some are how do you call the

five corps? They can they can do no outside, they can do some some non us some percentage of exactly. Now, are you glad to get away from the centerpet thing that that's done. Yeah, that's done. Four never ever will I makes well fast? No? No, but I have so many more ideas. My head is exploding. So the on Anya Club is so very new, fresh, original. That's what I like, and that's where I go for. When she saw The Lost Cat I did, she was overwhelmed with

how powerful it was. It's evil, it's really evil when you're watching a movie like Frankenstein. Yes, there's some moments of humanity if you will, or decency in the world itself, definitely, and in your movies there's none now. And like Martin has some humanity, don't you think because he was abused as a kid, he has some you you pity him? Said, The audience feels for him, not everybody. And there's a

lot of black humor in my films. A lot of people see that, not all of them, Uh, moments of decency And yeah, definitely it's humanity, otherwise it won't work. I think it's it's it's balancences between humanity, real evil and also dark humor. Not everybody sees her, but it's yeah, it's it's a difficult road to walk on for an audience. I think it's like sex in the City, but then on evil steroids, it's it's evil. It's sex in the city. Yeah,

did the five women, but now there was four and sex. Yeah, okay, it's a bonus, a bonus sexless city plus one. She enters the group the fifth one, you bringing? You bring it in the film? Yeah, definitely. Well that's a wonderful setup for maybe a political thriller you can do where the doctor is someone who you go to to cure cancer and they're only giving you more cancer. That reminds me of certain political figures in this country today, wouldn't

you say? Absolutely? And when they don't have cancer, she just tells them Dave cancer just to witness there as well. And her she's she's lesbian. Now in the film, she has his beautiful girlfriend who is this smoothie drinking, very healthy girl, and she hates that she she looks at it. She wants to destroy every healthy and in the moment she she gets sick, their sex life goes to the roof.

You can imagine what's your next movie? I have two line top and I can't tell about Yeah, but the evil films as well, Yeah, the evil Yeah, yeah, yeah, did you did? It might not be your genre, though it might, it might not be evil enough. I mean I have a great idea. I think it's a great idea of my idea. Everybody loves it, but nobody wants to make it. Where's my Alona? I would love to

work with you. Stay tuned. I might eventually re redefine evil alongside my guest human center being creator Tom six. His upcoming film is called The Onnania Club, out early two thousand nineteen. This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing to be co