Maggie Gyllenhaal Knows What She Wants

off Broadway plays. She did graduate from Columbia University and she is married to the actor Peter Sarsgard, but she did not appear in a production of Uncle Vania, directed by Martin Scorsese. Her new movie is The Kindergarten Teacher, and it comes out this Friday from Netflix. I spoke with Jillen Hall last Friday at the Hampton's International Film Festival Live at the Bay Street Theater in sag Harbor. You were born in New York and raised in l A And what was your childhood like in terms of

um film culture, theater. Were you like a big mavin and you watched everything? Were you home watching Gilligan's Island like the rest of us. Well, my parents were from New York. Well, my dad was from Pennsylvania. My mom was from New York, from Brooklyn, and they were kind of new to l A. You know. They were filmmakers and they drove across the country with me when I was I think ten months old. They were not movies, yeah, yeah, and so they were lovers of movies. Um, I don't know.

I feel like I wasn't really allowed to watch like Gilligan's Island, to be honest, it's kind that's good range. But I was allowed to watch Sesame Street. My mom actually was one of the people who she was like a p a on Sesame Street. She was one of the people who started the electric company. So I was allowed to watch those and the Cosby Show. Um, that was what I was allowed to watch, and and a

little bit of um Little House on the Prairie. And after a Little House in the Prairie came on Chips and I was like, I kind of like snuck in a little chips. What what Okay? So what was it that drew you two chips? What do you like about chips? I was really, can I be honest with you. That was like one of the first kind of like whoa, what is this feeling? I'm feeling type of moments, likeycles

and yeah, just the beginning, just the credits. That was like, That's why I like Gilligan's Island, Remote Island, Women There marrying Ginger was the the first time I had some of those feelings you have. Yeah, But then my parents, It's funny, they were they loved movies and every weekend we would go see a movie for a long time, and they took us to a lot of things that I would never have taken my kids to, like really appropriate. So your parents are like they didn't want you to watch

a certain kind of TV. But then when you don't, look now, you know what I mean? They when to go see really eclectic films. And but it was really my husband who was like, oh, you haven't seen this, you haven't seen Cassavetti's, you haven't seen this, you haven't seen that, and like really include me into and also to to you know, cool seventies movies but also like really amazing actresses. I feel like he has well, like he showed me all the General Roland's movies. He was

he used to tell me. I feel as were embarrassing saying this, because it was like, it's sort of a I think he was just flirting with me, but he's saying he thought I reminded him of Diane Keaton, like only in my wildest dreams. I mean, she's amazing. But he showed me some of her great movies, and um, I wanted to dinner with Peter once with another girlfriend of his, and he said the same thing to her, you remind me of Diane Keaton. It totally works. It

totally works. It works like a charm. Young guys out there, keep that in your pocket. But he's a movie nut. Well, he he really taught me like here's some here's some things that that you should see. And then still, um, we were actually joking that someone was telling us we had to see the Watergate documentary and I was like, yeah, that's like a Peter date night movie. Like he's like, we have a moment together. Actually, oh do you know that movie Goma. It's an amazing movie, but it is brutal.

And he's like, Oh, we're just about to get married right near here. I heard this movie is great. Let's go see Goma. You know or white ribbon. He took me on down than let's watch straw dokst you guys should go. Thanks again. So when you you grew up in l A and your parents were making films and you start acting when you're there when you're very young, I mean not really, it's funny. I um, I think it's in my Wikipedia page, like some of the other

very untrue things we were. Your Wikipedia page is a mess. We're gonna get to that. Um. That that I that my debut was in Waterland, you know, which was a movie that my dad made it. In fact, I saw water Land just the other day because they did a screening of it at Columbia and invited my dad, and so I went up to see it. I am in

water Land for five seconds. And my dad had been making the movie in London and they had maybe four weeks in Pittsburgh, and I was in school in l A. And it was like a way I could go see my dad. It wasn't really my film debut. Now, when you when you went to Columbia, where'd you go study? I studied English literature. You don't want to sell theater or drama. I started doing plays there. Um, I did. I did a lot first. I mean I I had one teacher there who I learned a lot from, this woman,

Joan rosen Fells. But I don't know. I guess that was a Columbian. I sort of felt like I'm Columbia, like I should study Columbia does best? Were not acting? Yeah? I tell people that now. Who are students who go to degree granting universities for drama? And I say, don't just take drama and acting. Take something where you're going to read a lot of books, philosophy and the nature history, but you're there gonna do. What's the first production to do in New York? Do you remember? Like my first?

You had to Columbia? You did play What would you do? What did I do with Columbia was the first one? Oh? I did a student production of No Exit with this guy who became my boyfriend named Dante, who was actually twenty five and it already graduated from college. It was in a student's production talk ye be in prison Now that happens correctly. So I did that. I also did Um the Tempest and I played prosper and that too. No, No, he didn't make it in that one. Um, but yeah,

that was the first one. Was no exit when you when you graduated with a degree in literature. Was was acting the goals or what you wanted to do? Yeah, I did. I always wanted to be an actress. And I feel I feel like, yeah, yeah, okay, yes, in college you can read. Although there's so much you're supposed to read, I feel like I never had read all of it. But I feel like I really learned to

write in college. And I don't know about you, but I feel like there's been so many times where I've had, you know, lines I wanted changed, or a cut that I wanted shifted, or something I had to sort out on a set that I had to write an email or even have a conversation where I had to organize my thoughts before I had it. Where I think, thank God I went to college because I was able to say what I meant to say. You know what helps if you have that background, Because you do, you feel

there was progression for you. In the beginning. You were timid and shot, you know, less assertive, and I want to find out when did that begin to change. Was there a moment you sat there and you said, yeah, I need to defend my position, and I think I know what's best for me. I think, you know, I don't know that it was. I think basically it was progressive, right, like basically right. I was younger and newer, and it was harder for me to say what I wanted, and

it's gotten easier as I've had more experience. But I also think that different sets give way to a different way of working. So first, I'm a jobbing actress and I'm trying to get jobs and I come in for two days or one afternoon or whatever, and you're like, oh, okay, you want me to do it like that? Um, I know, I don't know. It didn't sound really very good to me, but I'm afraid to say, let's say, or maybe I do try to say and I get shut down and

I accepted and whatever. That's like, you know, it's very hard to do when you're coming in for one second. It's like going to a new school where everybody knows each other and you're there for an afternoon. But then, like when I worked on Secretary, which was really early on, I mean I was twenty two, I had a real point of view about what I wanted to say, and and Steve Schenberg, who directed it, was really interested in that. And I also think he knew that things were happening

that I didn't have any idea were happening. And also my twenty two I think I'm being very intellectual and I've come from college and I studied feminist theory and everything, you know, and I think I'm saying this, and I think he was twenty years older than me that he was able to see. I know she thinks she's saying this, but this whole other thing is also happening, and um, and he put all that in the film. But so that was a space where I felt I was totally

able to collaborative. Yes, And then I went to work on a movie after that, which I won't name, where I was totally shut down and I was shocked by it. I always remember, like you go to a movie and this is just you know, my opinion, but like you do a film and you want to be told what to do. Basically, my whole thing is you're making the movie. What movie are you making? What? What? How do I fit in? I do. One of the first movies I did, I was lucky. I did this movie Working Girl with

Mike Nichols, and Nichols says, you're gonna have sex. He goes, you're gonna have sex with this woman and she catches you having sex? How would you have sex that are being caught? And I go, well, and I try to think of like, what's the most comical, you know thing, and he goes, He goes, it was very graatious. She's like, He's like, that's not a bad idea. That's not a

bad idea. But what I think it really sells it if she's just completely naked and you're completely naked, and she's just sitting right on top of you, just writing you and me and they actually were like, oh, we had a much more chaste and kind of like silly version of that. And me and the girl were like, he was like, Okay, come come now, close off, let's go.

But the idea of that clarity time saving somebody who comes as this, Yeah, but the thing is, well, I always use my fantasy movie I would have made with Mike Nichols as like the example of if Mike Nichols is directing this, yes, I want to be told exactly what to do, please, Like I watched his movies and I'm like he's directing everybody. He's like pushing everybody further and deeper and funnier and wilder than they ever would go. In fact, the one time I worked with Mike Nichols

was on this reading. It's not a not a movie or even a play that was ever produced. It was just a a few day long reading of a play that Alan Alda wrote. Bob Balaban directed the reading, but Mike was sort of producing it. I guess he came up to me after a day of rehearsal and he

just said, she's feral the character. And I've I've often thought that was the best direction I've ever gotten, because it doesn't say like, you know, I don't know directors ever come up to you and say like, I'm worried that we're not gonna be able to tell that you're mad because you're acting so nice, and I'm worried that it's not going to communicate, you know, Or I'm afraid that you're going too far in this direction, or I'm afraid that you're, you know, gonna confuse people by something

that you're doing. I have been told that before. Um, but Mike Nichols is basically going like, go further, like in any direction you could possibly go like what he said to you, you know, go all the way she's feral. I was playing Murray Curie and he's saying like she's a wild animal, the wild cat because the other parts taken care of. She's Marie Curie. You know, all the French radiologists knew that back she was wild, that Marie Curry.

So I want to be told what to do. Yes, I wish for that kind of collaboration, but I don't. I don't go in expecting that it's going to happen. I wanted who was the director you worked with, because I think you and I may be sharing this from what you said where we're not out to uh offend anyone, but you don't think of somebody who it was really just great. You loved working with Um other than your current collaboration. We're gonna get to that. But I did

love my current collaboration. I have a few that I've really loved, Um, Martin Scorsese on Banya right that Martin Scorsese directed, supposedly according to Wikipedia, me and my husband uncle v at csc take a tiny black box stater in New York. Is is Martin Scorsese directed the check Out, and I'm going, oh my god, this is like the seismic thing that got by me. It's like it's like someone welcome to you, going, you know, the Lindbergh baby

was kidnapped, right. And then in this Wikipedia entry that Alec just showed me, it then goes on to quote a terrible review of me in the play that's not a good section that I'm not a skimpedia. But Austin Pendleton did, and he is one of the most incredible

directors I've ever worked with. My wife Austin Um, It's funny Austin asked me to do uh Uncle Vanya and he when when they offered it to me, they sent me this interview with Austin and it basically talks about this sort of incredible way that he likes to work with actors, you know, where everyone's free to respond to each other in the moment on stage. You know, all the fantasies that actors have of a way that you

could actually really work together, which rarely happens. And I was like, Austin, I'd love to do this, I'd love to work this way, you know, where it's all just reacting to the reality of the moment with the other person on stage, and how everybody says that's what they want to do, how are you actually going to do it? And he's like, well, you got to come and work

with me to find out. And the truth is, I don't know how he created this situation where everybody on stage had deep respect for each other, even though it was clear to me that there were actors who were stronger than others that there were, but it made no difference, you know, I know one way he did it. I remember the first day of rehearsal. He said, however, you imagined, uh, Sonja, whatever fantasy you had of who Sonia was going to

be when you read this play, Sonja is her. Sonia is this person, And all the feelings you have about this person, about the way that that ricochets off what you anticipated when you read the play, that's all useful. But Sonja is her. And so we did create this little black box theater situation where and I did it with my husband and he's a brilliant actor, so that was cool. Um, And we got to pretend we were

having an affair. Both check offs we did, we were playing people who were having affairs, which was really hot and great, you know. But I loved working with Austin. I also loved UM. I loved Hugo Blick, who directed The Honorable Woman got a Golden Globe for that. Yeah, that was that you mentioned me. That was one of the longest times you were overseason away from home. Yeah, and it's funny. I really admire what you said about how for you, Um, your your trust is a director's

to lose. I wish I could be like that, but I'm not, and I go in with my guard up h and secretly I want the deepest, most intense artistic collaboration possible, but I don't. It's not easy for me. And with Hugo, I think we were both like that. And you know, it was eight hours of television. I'd only ever done a two hour movie before. I didn't know how to do that. And I'm in every minute of every scene, and it's super intense and it could

have been terrible, you know. But I remember about two thirds of the way through, somebody I came over to him and I just sort of said something in his ear about the scene. I think we need to shift this, and actually, can we move this here and could this happen over here, which is almost shorthand at this point, and he was like, yeah, absolutely, and someone saying next to him said, do you just do whatever she says?

And he said he's English. Also he said I trust her completely like that, and I took it in like, yeah, whoa, Actually he was kidding, but I kind of think he does. And then at the very end, on the very very last day, I had this voice over to record which plays at the beginning of every episode, and it's basically about trust, and it basically, I think it says something like you have to just I mean not in these words, but what it meant was you either trust nobody or

you just jump off the cliff and you trust. And I was like, um, he put me in this little room to record it because we'd forgotten to record it, and I was like, h you go, do you mind if I say it to you? And so he came in the room with me, and I basically the subtext I guess of what I was saying to him was I trust you. You know. Maggie gillen Hall, she said in an interview that she would probably be a different person by the end of her work on The Honorable Woman.

This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing. Sarah Colangelo directed Maggie gillen Hole's new movie, The Kindergarten Teacher. Gillen Hole told me she heard about the project at a holiday party. Two people at the party said, have

you heard about this script The Kindergarten Teacher? It's coming to you And I don't know about you, but for me, and it's great, And for me, I think it's really really rare to read a great script, and also to have two people in one night, out of nowhere to say like, there's this great script and it's coming to you.

I was like, okay, okay. I was waiting every day after that for the script to come and it took a while, and when it came, I read it and I um, I had that feeling like you just I've had it like three times, you know where I was like, and also if you if you have seen the movie, and I won't give anything away, the ending is pretty great. And I closed the last page of the script and I was like, I want this movie, you know. And it wasn't clear to me that it was offered to me,

which actually just increased my appetite for it more. Of course, they say, now it always was, but I didn't know that, and one of the producers mothers, was having an operation in the hospital, and like, nobody got back to me for a few days after I really energetically raised my hand and was like, yes, please, what do I gotta do? And again, just waiting just made me want it more. And then then they came back and they were like, oh, yes, we always meant yeah, it's based on it is really

movie UM, which I haven't seen UM deliberately. Yeah, yeah, I mean I probably should see it now. I've heard wonderful things about it, and I've heard that narratively it's very similar, and yet it tells an almost entirely different stories. So our movie, I think, is really about the consequences of what happens when you starve a vibrant woman's mind, told from the point of view of a group of women filmmakers. And our conclusion is that it's fucking dire.

You know. That's and I think there's really a movie which has a very similar narrative. Is Um is much more about masculinity in Israel and art in a country at war and very different things, even though the story itself is very similar. Um. So yeah, so I got the script and then and I signed up and then you know, um, it was not easy to get our money.

In fact, at Sundance when we first premiered, I shook the hands of fifty executive producers who had, you know, all together somehow helped us cobble together the money to make it. So we spent a while, um doing that, and then we made it in twenty three days in New York. In New York. Now, when you work with uh, this sounds like a silly thing, but I always think about this in terms of the brevity of schedules now

and the pressure to shoot efficiently now. But with children, I find it's very a specific And in the movie From My Money, the the young boy what's his name, Jimmy Parker Parker, the boy who's We had the funniest moment yesterday because I said, this gets fantastic after the movie, and somebody from the festival said, well, he loves boss baby. He's like, how old is he? Like? Five six six? So we go backstage and I'm like, this is amazing.

You're doing like this really hypnotic, creepy drama, which is great, and I'm in boss baby. I mean, you and I have so much in common. You and I, you know, were both in the business, different wings of the business, maybe Parker, but we had a lot of fun with him. But when you're working with somebody, like a lot of times kids are performing and the kids that that climbed the ladder a little bit in that division, they're very you know, they're ready to come, you know, sing tomorrow

on Broadway, and uh, he's not. He's very real. And was that a decision? You and she talked about you, and I mean I felt a couple of things very strongly. I have a child who's six and who was five when we made it, just like Parker's five. So it's hard to remember what it's like to be five. I mean, how different the world is unless you're five. Are you have a five year old? I know, right, or unless you're living unless you're living with a five year old, and then you're in that mind kind of So I

felt two things. I felt. I almost didn't do the movie at one point because I thought, no movie, no matter how much I love it or think it's important or whatever is worth disturbing a child even for a few minutes. So I was like, how are we going to do this? And I also don't think, um, five six year olds are actors. I just don't believe that, and I don't think it's fair to ask them to be actors. So so I felt like so basically we worked in a couple of ways. I learned this from

Emma Thompson. Actually who um I'm in love with? And

who who did Nanny McPhee. We did an enimy fee together and we had tons of kids, and so often, especially with the very little list one UM, we would just be like, stand on the X now, look at that big black X on the on the wall and turn your head when I say so when I clap, turn your head and say I don't want to go, and he would we would clap, he turned his head, he'd say I don't want to go, and I would say no, no, no, sing it like me, I don't want to go, I want to go No, and then

he would just sort of repeat. I would be like, you have just sing it like to Parker sing it, and so then he kind of just imitate my inflections. That was one way, we worked with him so that it was just a song. It wasn't like he Actually, you can't say to a five year old, I want to get in touch with the way in which you're like um. But the other thing you can do with five year olds is that they will forget that the cameras on them sort of, So we ran all the

kindergarten stuff as if it were a kindergarten. I mean, you see them singing those songs with me, or painting or you're not going to say, Okay, we're gonna pretend to paint, or we're gonna pretend to write exs on a piece of paper. We're just going to do it. And we choreographed the camera. I would sort of see where the camera was going, almost like a documentary, and then I would just like scoot over to wherever the camera wasn't begin the scene with whoever I needed to

be talking to in that scene. And then the other funny thing about kids and the like short schedule is um. There were quite a few times where I did scenes with our first a d or our gaffer who would read off camera for me because the little boy had to go. And I'd be like this is really weird, but huh. You know, like the way you can trip yourself out as an actor kind of and you can be like, oh, there's helicopters going over all the time,

we have to keep stopping the middle. I'm really frustrated, and then all of a sudden, the frustration just goes back into the scene. So this one, I was like, oh, this is like a hairy fifty year old guy with like this scrubby you know beard. Oh no, our first a d our first CD and and he's lying on the ground slating also, and I'd be like, oh, but I'm okay. So I'm basically talking to this child as if he's a man. You know, you just figure out the way to throw it back in because what else

are you gonna do? Well? I love it if on my next film you would come and do that exacting with me. Would you be there for me? It will be my mirror Rostova, you know, like off the set like okay and turned to me, do you want to go to prison? I want to go to prison for tex I don't want to go to prison for tax evasion. You know we could do that. You'd be my acting crest um. The Uh, that's amazing, you know, exacting there. I need to work with you, man, I'm dying to

get a script with you. It was Emma Thompson. Really Now, what about Sarah? How many films have she made before she made this film. I loved working with Sarah and it was totally different kind of experience than I had ever had before. And in some ways I like to think it's it was a very feminine set, right. Sarah wrote and directed it, our financiers were women, our producers were women. It's all about a woman. Um. But I had worked with a lot of other women and had

very different kinds of I have. I've worked with many. I mean even on The Deuce last season, seven out of eight directors were women. You know, well there is a difference, Yeah, there is, but that's not necessarily what made I think my collaboration with Sarah and are set on the kindergarten teacher. So I don't know, unusual, Yeah, feminine, But I don't even totally know what that means. Even when I watched the movie, I'm like, this is feminine,

Like what does that mean? And why? And my husband, after he saw it last night, he was like, I wish someone would send this to Senator Flake. But but I don't really know totally why. Right, it's not political movie, but it's it's like somehow it's really kind of straight, purely feminine thing. I don't you know. It makes me

think of the piano, not this movie. I would never compare it to that, but the experience I had when I saw the Piano and I was like sixteen or something and I had never seen anything like it, I was like, what, like I I guess I think in some ways, um, girls, women my age, we get so used to having to relate to a male character or even let's just say like a sort of masculine point

of view on something. We're like, yeah, yeah, that's not exactly my experience, but I could twist it around and make it relatable to me, and that muscle is very exercised. I think in most women were like, yeah, I get I know it's not exactly my way through the world, but I could. I could just twist a little, and it's cool. I get it, and thank god because otherwise we have very little to relate to. But then, like when I saw the piano, I was like, whoa, I

feel so relaxed. I don't have to twist anything. And I felt that way when I read Sarah script, I just like went straight in and when I when I saw this last night, what I love is it? It's not a bad I don't we give it away, but the dynamic of the home is not all bad. But there's things that maybe in my mind you know, are missing. As soon as you want, you gone, yeah, and connections and feelings are exactly It's a much easier movie if

her home life is like horrible, if everything's just awful. Instead, you see, I'm gonna give away the scene on the phone and your husband's like he's ready to you know, people will dance with you and then the phone rings. Oh my god, Oh my god, crazy really upset you see, Yeah, so fuck up. Yeah, it's true. A couple of really fucked up scenes in this movie. It's incredible, it's true. One more thing before we take some questions, do we

have the Mike's poised for the questions we do? Okay, one last question I have for you, which is she you're doing the deuce you're on HBO? How did that happen? Meaning? How did they reel you? When I mean I'm not just saying this for your benefit. You're one of the most admired movie actresses in the business. Everybody says this. Everybody. You're you're you're gorgeous, and you're talented, and you're all these things. So when you go to do the TV thing,

how did they hook you? Well? Huh. I just it's so funny though, because like in the first three episodes, which was all I read of The Deuce, Candy didn't really have all that much to do and that's why you took the job. Um No. But it's weird because I was just talking with Peter about this, and when we were walking on the beach here today, I was like, Yeah, when I first there, wasn't she turned so amazing. I mean, I love blank Andy, I really do. Um but I

just had like a feeling. I don't know I was. It was David Simon and George Pelicanos. I mean, they made some pretty damn good TV and I had done The Honorable Woman with Hugo, who I told you I loved so much. So it wasn't my first time in TV. I wasn't like snobby about TV. I wanted it, you know, I wanted a good job, you know that that I could count on, but also yes, and to be home. But also I was like, I don't know. I just had a good feeling. I was like, I just want

to play this woman. I want to I want to try it. I want to see I want to see if I can do this. It was so far outside of my experience to play a sex worker in UM. I just like liked her. I just had a I just had like this feeling about it for three seasons and I guess I will. And you know, there was this whole thing where I was like, guys, I've only read three there's going to be twenty four. How do I know? I mean, I think you guys are all right, but what if this becomes something I mean I never

had signed on something like that before. Well that's true, but again, like I said, I don't trust that. Well, so I asked them if I could be a producer, and and the thing is is when and everyone said to me, you are never going to get that on a big HBO show. You've never produced television before, you didn't develop it, like good luck, Maggie. But then they were like, okay, let's be partners. Good for you, and um, and I was like, oh wow for you, um do we have who do we have over here? How did

you prepare for your role as a teacher? Did you interview teachers? Did you shadow teachers? Um? Well, I yeah, I felt in this movie where this woman ends up doing a lot of really problematic things, the movie only really works if you are on her side for a really really long time. You're on her side, even when she's crossing lines. You would never imagine you would be on anyone side while they were crossing um. And so you know, it was important to me that she'd be

a great teacher, like a really extraordinary teacher. So yeah, my daughter was. I had one older daughter that I had a daughter who was in preschool, and I asked her preschool teacher, do you know like a great kindergarten teacher who's not at this school because I didn't really want to mix it with my kids school. And she recommended this woman on the Upper West Side. And I went up there all the time, sat in in our classroom.

I got so much from her. She had dinner with Sarah and I once and gave us like some more tips. But I said, I I yeah, shadowed her I sat there for hours. I learned a ton from her. She was great. Um. Um, somebody up there in the back, we saw your film last night and your performance was stunning, and I did want to thank you for that. I'm wondering, Um,

you picked such unconventional roles. I can't help but wonder if the role that you felt you executed the best, was it the same role that your critics thought you executed the best? You know from inside out? Does you know those Do those two things match up for you? Do you and your critics think the same. Well, one thing I think is interesting you say that that they're

unconventional roles. But I just when you said that word, I thought, Actually, the thing I love about the few roles that I've done that I feel the most proud of. Um that I think I executed the best. As you put it, Um, I think are actually sort of the most human people, so maybe the most conventional in terms

of being like we actually are. And I know the woman in the movie does things that many of us would never ever do, but in so many other ways, she's like I relate to her so much, you know, she's she totally could be a friend of mine and even the ways she's confused or the fact that she's confused.

I understand, I have compassion for UM. I don't know in terms of I don't know about about whether I guess I would say this recently, I would say since the honorable woman, I think I've had this feeling where I'm most proud of the last thing I've done, which UM, I feel really grateful for. Like I feel like, Okay, I'm I'm making the choices that are right for me right now because I'm I feel like I keep I don't know, learning about what I'm doing. As time goes on.

I'm sure I'll take a dip and take a wrong route for a while, But at the moment it's been like, I feel, yeah, the most proud of the of the most recent work. And an actor won't say to me it was this very funny guy, older guy. When it was very good. He said, remember one thing about reviews. He said, when they say you're bad, you're never as bad as they say you are. I mean, if it's not great, you're never as bad. And when they say you're really good, you're great, You're always even better them.

They're even better than that. They never get it right. They don't know how. I know. That's so funny that like I gotta take that little piece of that Wikipedia thing and like put it up somewhere. This is so mean. With the Daily News they hated my Elena. We are right there here, sir, who's straining out of your chair? The restroom is down to the right. So how do you find feminist and masculine? Nosy, I can't, That's what I'm saying. I don't want to be reductive about it,

and I can't define feminine and masculine. I'm just trying to say there's like something and it doesn't okay. I mean, I don't want to get like super There's just things that are on my mind right now, Like what does it mean to make a feminine movie? I don't know the answer to that. I just know that if you're living in a masculine world fundamentally, which I'd say, it's

pretty clear we are even a misogynistic world, right. It's it doesn't just because you're a woman who directs a vie or just because you're a woman who writes a movie doesn't mean it's feminine. Right. You have to twist yourself and fit yourself all your life, like like Virginia Wolf in the Room of One's Own has this whole thing about how like even even Charlotte Bronte, she said she's not really making purely feminine work because she's like

hiding her paper under her sewing or whatever. And so that's what I mean when I say I saw the piano and it had some like like an effect on me. When I was sixteen, there I did this interview with M. Trevor Noah, you know, it was about the Deuce. Actually it wasn't about the kindergarten teacher, but he'd seen the preview for the kindergarten Teacher and he was like, I saw the preview. He said, is it a thriller or is it like an intimate movie about a woman's mind?

Or is it like a horror movie? And I loved that, and I keep coming back to it because I think it's not any of those. It's new, and I think it might be new because it's feminine. It doesn't tick the boxes we're used to. But again, I don't know. I'm a little confused about this. Uh, we have just time for a couple more quick ones. Uh. The lady right there on the amble to two more two more quick ones. I have a very quick question. If you weren't an actor, what would you do or what would

you want to do? Oh? Man, I'm really I'm not good at very many other things. I mean, I'm like an okay cook, I have a friend as a professor, which I'd love to think like maybe I would like be an English teacher or something, but I wouldn't be any good at it. I mean, were you good at other things better? I'm so good and I'm might really that bad? Are you really you've never any thoughts about

maybe professional ice skating? Wow? Yes, okay, considering what you've said about literature and being an English major and you're probably a great reader. If you've got option a book and do your movie but not be in it, what would you do? Well? I did actually just option a book and I'm not going to be in it. I'm adapting it and I'm going to direct it. And it's called The Lost Daughter by Elena Ferrante. Al Right, so my last question is a two partner, because we're gonna

be out of time. My last question is a quick two partner. I had a very fleeting role in looming tower with your husband. Got to work with your husband for the first time. Peter stars guard And my first question, which is a silly question, is your husband really as sweet as he seems ever met? My life? A damn good husband. I'm thrilled with him. And what's that like for you? Being two people who are working all the time, very successful movie actors. That's Is it wonderful to be

with somebody who understands what you're going through? I'm married of the business, and sometimes yes, it's like somethime I'll be like, when are you coming home? I don't understand when are you coming home? Like we have planned such and such, and he's like, Maggie, you know, I don't know the answer to me, you know, I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My wife was like my wife. Sometimes it's like like, why are you so dramatic? Duh? Anyway, now you telling

all everybody? And now an update after a newspaper story appeared about this conversation, Jillen Hall's Wikipedia page has been revised. Maggie Jillen Hall's new movie That Kindergarten Teacher comes out on Netflix October twelve. This is Alec Baldwin, and you're listening to Here's the Thing. Oh,