#27 Scott

Let's play truth or dare? Okay, go ahead, No, Jackie, you cut out. You cut out. I couldn't hear if you said truth or dare? Which one did you say?

No, I'm not willing, I'm not interested. I don't want to play.

Have you ever have you ever peed in a shower? Tell the truth? Have you ever peed in a shower? John, Jackie.

That's just not a question, John.

Is it?

Because the answer is yes?

Affirmative?

Okay? Have you ever peed in a bathtub?

Negative?

You've never peed in a bathtub.

That's disgusting.

Why would you pee on yourself?

I'm not saying that I did.

You did?

You just said no, I didn't. Okay, Okay, you can.

You're surprised because.

I'm not in the hot seat. You are, You're.

Not at We're having a conversation.

I want to have asation.

We are having a conversation. Okay, you could do you want to get conversation from Gimblet Media. I'm Jonathan Goldstein and this is Heavyweight Today's episode.

Scott. Okay, we're rolling.

So Scott, first of all, thank you. Maybe the thing to do would go on if you're lucky. The mistakes you make as you move through life, are small and harmless, calling your teacher mommy, leaving gum in your jeans in the wash, or talking over the person you're trying to talk to. No, no, sorry, sure, hang on a second, Yeah, yeah, tell me, tell me more, Scott. But the mistake Scott made wasn't the small kind. It was the big kind.

The first one was weed, you know, that was when I was thirteen, and then alcohol, and then it quickly kind of descended from there. So I first did cocaine when I was fourteen fifteen, first did meth when I was about fifteen, and then I was around that same time that I found opiates.

Scott's mom suffered from chronic pain and there were always pills in her medicine cabinet, stuff like OxyContin and fentanyl.

It is this feeling of like finding a missing piece to a puzzle. All of a sudden, my anxiety was gone. I didn't have as much self doubt, and I was able to speak my mind and connect and talk and approach girls. And at the time it really felt like a cheat code that I would have for life.

And for a while it worked. Scott graduated high school, then college and found his way into job as a well paid graphic designer, but he was still using drugs the way he always had to manage his anxiety and make friends, like the friend who got him to shoot Heroin for the first time.

And I say friend now, but looking back on it, we weren't necessarily friends at all. But he said, if you can give me a ride to go pick up some drugs, then I'll give you some for your trouble. And so we're driving down I seventy. He's in shotgun.

Within a year, Scott lost his job and moved into his dad's basement, back into his childhood home in Colorado. He still needed to get high every day and now had no money. There were boxes in the basement filled with old jewelry and silverware, stuff that had belonged to Scott's mom before she passed away. So Scott started stealing stuff from the boxes to bring to a pawnshop down the road. He figured an item or two wouldn't be missed, but pretty soon it became a daily thing.

All the while, the voice in the back of my head was still there, knowing what was right and was wrong, and so I felt immense guilt.

Soon the boxes were empty, and Scott began to eye other things, things right out in the open, things that belonged to his dad.

So like a radio on the shelf, just right there in the living room, taking that, and then a baseball signed by the early thirties New York Yankees, you know, Babe Ruth and Louke Rig and everything like that.

Did your dad know what was going on?

I mean, my dad is a very unique person. He's kind of like chronically petrified of direct conversations.

You know.

I remember, even as a kid, he would have me order the pizza, you know, when we were ordering a pizza or something like that, because he didn't want to talk to the person on the phone.

So Scott's dad never brought up the missing stuff until Scott started taking money.

I knew right where his checkbook was, you know, it was right there on the secretary by the front door, and I had a light table where I put down a piece of paperwork that i'd found with his signature on it, and then put the check over it and kind of traced over it.

The checks were small, sixty dollars here and there, but soon the account was thousands of dollars overdrawn. So his dad had to make a decision. It was one thing for a clock to go missing, another thing entirely for his savings to disappear. So the man who couldn't bring himself to pick up the phone to order pizza, picked up the phone and reported his son to the police.

So then they piled me into the back of the police car and then brought me to the jail.

Were you scared at this point?

I was petrified. I was petrified of the legal consequences I had, but I think I was equally or more petrified of the detox that I knew that was coming. I remember scrawling out the hours I was sober on a little jail house notepad that they give you, And you know, I was doing three hundred dollars a day of heroin at that point. So it was a really, really, really bad withdraw. There was just a series of horrible

A couple of weeks into his detention, a garbled voice came over the loudspeaker. Scott had a visitor.

Nobody had visited me yet, and so I thought it was a mistake at first, And so I go up there and there's my dad come to visit me.

But Scott's father wasn't there to offer support. He was there to present his son with a list of all the things he'd stolen. The radios, the watch collection, the family silver. It was two columns containing some fifty items, and at the very top of the page.

His most prized possession, the Luger, this German pistol that my grandfather had taken off of a German in World War II. This gun was something that I knew was like his pride and joy. That was like the quintessential memento and the biggest piece that my dad had to remember his dad by. And so that was the one big thing that I had promised myself that I would never take, and I took it.

Of all the things Scott had stolen from his dad, of all the mistakes he'd made, this is the one he regrets most.

I've only seen my father cry when his dad passed away, when my mom passed away, and in that jail when he was telling me about him knowing about the gun being gone. You know, this was a piece of his father that he thought he would be able to hold on to for the rest of his life. And I sold for fourteen hundred dollars worth of drugs.

For four months, Scott sat in jail awaiting trial. When he was finally sentenced, the judge decided to dismiss the charges if Scott completed this two year treatment program that was modeled on rehab programs from the seventies. Scott would have to shave his head and scrub the floors with a toothbrush, that.

Kind of thing.

The judge told Scott that the roughly three hundred people he'd sent there, none had made it through.

So that was encouraging right at the very beginning. But as like, get me in, whatever I need to do, I'm going to do it.

After two years, Scott walked out of the facility and he's been clean since. He has a wife, two young kids, and a job at a residential treatment facility in Colorado where he works with addicts and their families. He's trying to make up for who he used to be by paying it forward. But there's one person he's never been able to pay back.

I have all but forgiven myself for a lot of the things that I've done in the past, but this is one thing that, no matter the amount of counseling, it still bothers me on the deepest level that I did this to my dad.

So about five years ago, Scott took his dad's list of the stolen items and set off to recover the luger along with everything else.

So I went to the old ante stores that I used to go to. I went to the old sports memorabilia spot to see if I could track down the baseball that I had sold.

He succeeded in getting some things back, a Crossley antique radio, a Ham radio, and that Christmas with his sister, all his aunts and uncles gathered round, Scott surprised his dad with the items he'd recovered. Scott was feeling pretty proud of himself until Uncle Bill piped up and.

My uncle, you know, basically says, oh, well, he's the luger. In there is the luger, one of the things that you were able to get back.

Uncle Bill was close with Scott's grandfather. Like him, he'd also served in the military. He believed the luger should have been his to begin with, not a little brothers.

And I was like, no, no, I wasn't able to find that. And then that led to probably about a ten minute spiel of his about how important that gun was to him. And I remember the day when I found out that that was stolen. It still bothers me. And it was just like in the middle of Christmas morning and we're handing out presents and every word that he said, just like, ugh, it felt like a kick in the gut.

And how do you think it made your father feel.

Very uncomfortable, very uncomfortable.

Yeah, yeah, But he's.

Not the type of person that would toss it back in my face.

You know.

That's kind of my uncle's style, but not necessarily his.

Although Scott's dad didn't say anything, Scott understood that his dad felt the same way as Uncle Bill, that it was nice to have all those items returned, but the only one he really cared about was the luger and it was gone all because of Scott.

I know that there's still trust issues there. I know that there's still pain there, and I've told him over the years that I'm going to do what I can to try and get it back. And I know by the glean in his eye that that would matter quite a bit, and that if I am able to track this down, it would be seismic.

No matter what Scott accomplishes in life or how good he feels, there's always that nagging voice that cries out, what about the luger? Were you able to get that back? Even when Scott is relaxing in front of the TV, if anything about World War two comes on, he has to change the channel, and so Scott's come to me. He wants to find his grandfather's luger and has no idea where to begin. My first thought is why me?

I don't know.

Oh, I think it just kind of depends on where it.

Ended up, like the thing that's a little scary. And maybe I'm completely like out of line with thinking this, but is it possible like that these guns can filter back into like a kind of nether world.

Of like Nazi sympathizer people.

Exactly like, yeah, it's possible. Yeah, I don't abide by Nazi sympathizers, but I'm rapidly becoming a Skatzi sympathizer. As Anton Chekhov once said, if a gun shows up in the first act, it must be fired in the second and that's a lot of presh. But as Jonathan Goldstein once said, if a gun's to be fired at all, please don't let it hit me in the wallet, because that's where I keep the charge card I use for

It's going to be almost impossible.

There may not be any type of record.

Because it could just be in some private collector's collection.

It's gonna be hard for you. I'm gonna tell you straight up.

Do you know when it was sold?

Do you have any type of serial number?

Of course a serial number. Scott doesn't know the serial number, but he admits there's one person who.

Might Uncle Bill, my dad's older brother.

Yeah, mister Christmas Morning himself. Are you in touch with your uncle?

I am, I mean not a ton, but I am.

Yeah, So maybe he would. He would be a place to start.

Now, I'm uh, I mean, of course, there's a cloud of anxiety. My chest starts tightening when I think about actually doing it.

Shortness of breath would come next, then burning in the chestel region. It was sounding to this reporter like the healing process had already begun.

But maybe we could both do it. Yeah, we could do a three person call.

So with me on the line as this emotional defibrillator, Scott dials up Uncle Bill.

Bill Good. After that Bill, Hello, Uncle Bill, how are you? I'm good, mister Goldstein.

Yeah, Hi. After Scott and I jockey over who will hide behind who's petty coats? Scott boldly peers out from behind my petty coats and asks Uncle Bill about the serial number.

I believe it had a fairly low serial number, but unfortunately we never took a photo of the writing on the inside of the holster.

So you don't have the serial number.

I do not.

But the moment we bring up the gun. It's Christmas Morning all over again.

It's a piece of history of his history. That was part of what formed him to be the man that I knew. And that's about all we have from him from that era, and now we don't have that.

When Uncle Bill speaks to the gun, it's as though Scott, the person responsible for its disappearance, isn't there, even when he pipes up to defend himself.

The gun disappeared to help beat his habit, and I was royally pissed at him.

Yeah, I paid off every cent.

I'm happy with his dad either.

You know.

It wasn't like I was going to go and beat him up or anything, but I was pissed that he felt the need to quote, keep it safe, and then he didn't keep it safe.

Do you still feel like you fault your brother for that?

Somewhat?

Now?

The reality of World War two vents is that they didn't really like to talk about the war. We didn't have PTSD as doss. The damage was usually doubtless with alcohol, and he a loveful lot of them drank too much, and that's how they self medicated.

After the war. Scott's grandfather became an alcoholic. He spent his days in an easy chair with a glass in his hand, and in the evenings he kept a bottle of whiskey on the nightstand to make sure he didn't wake up in a withdrawal Like the Luger. It seems addiction has also been a part of Scott's family for decades. Before getting off the phone, Uncle Bill does offer a

She's a good person and an honest one.

When Scott was in jail, Mary was the one who visited most, gave him money for the commissary, and helped him with his court case. When I explained the length Scott's going through to get their dad's gun back, Mary becomes emotional. The whole thing reminds her of a story from when they were kids. Mary Scott and their dad had gone out shopping.

He accidentally stole a bookmark from the store, just because he.

Thought we had paid for it and we hadn't, and he cried all the way home and.

Made us go all the way back to the store almost an hour away, to return it.

Mary still sees her little brother as the same well meaning kid who's trying to make things right. She's not sure she has the bringback papers, but wants to help, so over the weekend she digs through their grandfather's old stuff. She finds wartime postcards, letters to their grandmother, photos of their grandfather and his army buddies huddled in fox holes.

And then she found the actual document, the Bringback Papers.

Holy cow, Okay, so.

What and now it's pretty crazy.

Yeah, it's yellowing with it almost looks like it as a coffee stains right through the middle. And then it has just written in underneath it Luger pistol cerial number four five nine.

WOWI hi Giovanni, how are you Johnson? I'm good? How are you?

I'm doing well, doing well?

I get Giovanni's number from another gun dealer who tells me that if I'm looking for a World War two era luger, Giovanni is my man. Giovanni owns one of Colorado's largest historical firearm shops and is something of an expert in lugers, and so armed with the serial number, I get ready to make some headway. The serial number is four or five nine?

Okay?

No, you have any incomplete? Say on them.

Giovanni explains that luger's serial numbers have both numbers and letters, so there could be a four five nine, A four five nine B and so on. I re examined the scan Scott sent me.

But no letter.

How many four five nine serial number guns are there?

Probably out there lugers probably about.

It could be one hundred.

Hoping to narrow the pool, I tell Giovanni it wasn't just any luger, It was a mouser. Does that give you an okay? So, in giving you that serial number, it's not like you can look it up in a database or anything.

No, oh, absolutely not.

No.

What would you do if you were trying to track down this gun?

I will get up.

Before hanging up, Giovanni says, there's one last thing we could try retracing the gun's path, go back to the pawnshop clerk to see if he has a record of who he sold the gun to. Giovanni says the clerk has no obligation to reveal that information, but it's worth a shot. The clerk's name is George, and he and Scott were friendly back when Scott was living with his dad. They're still connected on Facebook. So Scott messages asking if George might be willing to talk to us, and George says.

Yes, and then he calls me back a couple minutes later, just in tears.

It turns out that when George bought the gun from Scott eight years ago, he intended to keep it for himself. At the time, George and his wife were expecting a baby.

And about two weeks after I had sold him that gun, he found out his wife had brain cancer. Oh my god, really aggressive brain cancer, and she ended up having to go undergo really aggressive radiation, and so because of that, they ended up losing the baby.

Just months after buying the gun from Scott, George sold it to pay for his wife's medical bills.

And then she passed away a number of months after that, and It just brings up these kind of horrible memories that he's trying to avoid diving back into.

Each time the gun has changed hands, it seems it's been in the midst of violence, desperation, and personal tragedy. Well, George doesn't want to talk. He does remember the name of the person he sold the gun to, the owner of a rare coin and gold boullion shop, a man named Klaus.

I just keep my collecting interest private. You know, some people think just because you buy Nazi guns that you are na seen.

When I first phone Klaus at his store, he's reluctant to talk. He's nervous about being judged for his hobby.

I'm a collector, but you know, some people associated collecting World War two German and mirabilia with you know, Nazism.

I reassure Klaus that that's not what I think, But over the course of our phone call, I become less sure of what I think.

I have a Luger serial number seven. What makes it so interesting that Hitler's party pen number was number seven, so he was, you know, the party member number seven. I have a number seven Luger.

How did you acquire something like that?

Ah? I have some things that are very, very unusual. You know, I came I'm an immigrant.

I came from Germany.

My grandfather was a Nazi officer, and my father was was in the youth.

I have many questions for Klaus. First and foremost, why are you telling me Jonathan Goldstein about your familial ties to the Nazis. But I'm not here to interrogate Klaus. I'm here to find Scott's gun. So I try to steer us back on track. I tell Klaus that I'm calling on behalf of a man named Scott, whose grandfather once owned a Mauser Luger that George sold to him some years ago. Klaus tells me that's not possible. He tells me he never bought a gun from George. He

This.

Hey, this is Jonathan Goldstein speaking. How are you well. I have some news for you. I found the gun?

What Yeah, are you kidding me? No?

No, are you kidding me?

No?

Oh my god?

Yeah? You found it? Yes?

Wow, Yeah, I'm blown away.

It's a matter of whether we'll be able to get it. Okay, it's still in Klaus's possession.

So did you talk to him?

I did, and uh, it was an interesting conversation. So you found you found the gun?

Yeah, you know, I was surprised last night. It took a look and I went into my vault room and I found it.

The luger was still in the original holster. Attached to it was a tag with Scott's grandfather's name. Would you be open to the idea of selling it back to him?

Well, my first thought is probably not. It's just that I legally purchased the gun, and I mean, I'm a collector, and you know I paid for it.

So I mean, would you would you say that his grandfather paid for it with his service.

I mean it's war bounty that someone brought it over from Germany. You know, he didn't pay for it.

From Klaus's perspective, the gun Scott stole was already stolen property.

He took it off as a German officer. And you know, as we spoke prior, my grandfather was an officer in World War Two, and you know, my thoughts were a chia. You know, could that gun been here? At this point, I'm not really compelled to let go of the gun, but I still give it some thoughts.

So the way that we left it was he said that he'd think about it.

Okay, well, I won't start celebrating yet, but we know who has it, we know where it is. So now it's just kind of tactfully figuring out what it's going to take to get it back.

I really do respect your optimism. I don't think we're going to get the gun back. Personally, I'm going to try.

We're going to get that gun.

Since Scott's not ready to admit defeat, I suggest he tried making his case directly to Klaus in a letter. So Scott writes from the heart. He explains the full story of his addiction, his time in jail, and his guilt about his dad. My greatest regret was that I would never be able to get this heirloom back in the hands of my father, Scott writes, But now, for the first time, that seems like a possibility. Eight years ago, I was so addicted to Heroin that I was pretty

That's just ridiculous. Settling on the fact that we know where it is and not getting it back. That's just like super frustrating. I mean, there's got to be something we can do.

Scott says he's willing to pay whatever Klaus wants for the gun, so again I contact Klaus. It's not a money issue. Klaus responds, almost immediately. I am just not interested in selling a gun to an individual. I can't figure out what exactly Klaus means by an individual. Maybe in the past he sold guns to organizations or museums. When I write him back, he responds with this, based on the background information, I would not sell this gun back to Scott. So it's not really an individual per se,

Update. Okay.

A couple days later, I catch Scott at work. Yeah, I have another update. Uh huh, it looks like Klaus is willing to sell the gun.

Oh you're kidding me.

No, you were right. You were right to be hopeful. I did not think that I was going to be reporting this back to you.

What brought it about?

What changed his mind?

I'd asked Klaus the same question. It seemed as though over the weekend you had a change of heart.

I figured you were going to haunt me until I finally get it back to the guy.

I probably would.

I just thought, you know, it seems like the guy really wanted that item back, So yeah, I just didn't want to be haunted about it.

So oh, I can't even believe it.

But there was still one thing that Klaus hadn't changed his mind about, and I feel bad having to tell Scott. He is saying that he is willing to sell the gun, but he won't sell it to you. Klaus doesn't trust Scott bottom line.

I mean, he doesn't know me. He doesn't know that it's become a contributing member of society.

After everything Scott's done to redeem it himself, the rehab, the good works. Klaus's judgment stings, but Scott gets it. It's something he's experienced before. People accusing him of theft when things go missing, women breaking things off when they learn he was once an addict. The world still sees Scott as a bad bet, but he sweeps aside his feelings to address the more pressing question, who can we

Yeah, absolutely no, she would be totally open and willing to do that, oh, one hundred percent.

Well, it looks like we're going to be buying a gun.

Let's buy a gun.

That's right, except we don't. After looking into Colorado's complicated gun laws, we learn that because Mary's not a full time Colorado resident, it's illegal for her to buy the gun, so we discuss options. Scott's wife could buy it and give it to his dad, but that's also illegal in Colorado. Only blood relatives can gift each other guns. We consider Uncle Bill totally legal, but Scott's worried he'd buy it

Hell.

Scott and his dad Win meet me on the way to see Klaus. Mary's here too, She's come along for support. Klaus told us to meet him at a gun shop. He knows where they can run the necessary background check. We all get into Scott's.

Car, people with microphones and stuff.

Scott's dad, Win is seated up front. He's brought along the luger's empty case, which sits on his lap. When is bride eyed and smiley, but knowing from Scott how shy and nervous his dad can be, gives his jolliness a slightly forced quality.

All the road work.

Case in point, when our eta gets pushed back due to roadwork. Win bursts into song o work or this is when, as Scott tells us about his day, is pretty dark day? When is the one giggling in the background.

I got four people into detox programs this morning, so a lot of distraught parents and overdosing teenagers to deal with this morning.

The destination is on your left. Maybe you can even pull in. Oh what is a private parky? We pull into a parking lot and we all get out of the car, all except for Scott. After the way Klaus responded to his letter, he's afraid if he goes in he'll blow the whole deal.

Who We'll be right back? Cool?

Well, have fun?

Yes, all right.

From behind the windshield, Scott watches as his father ambles towards the gun shop, empty gun case in his hand. I can imagine how Scott's feeling. Scott already believes he's failed his dad in so many ways. Sending him to buy back his own gun in a rundown looking gun shop with bars on the windows must feel like one more failing. Let's buy ourselves a gun.

Time to buy a gun.

At the door, a large man wearing sunglasses and a holstered gun silently greets us wind Ducks. Inside the walls and shelves of the gun shop are full of Nazi metals, Nazi helmets, Nazi hats, uniforms, guns, and Swastika armbands. And at the center of it all is Klaus, who is at present chummily talking to a large tattooed clerk with a white goatee. They quiet down when Win, Mary and I approach. Klaus appears to be in his sixties. He's

Uh, and.

Would it be okay if we were to be recording for the thing they we're doing in the background. Absolutely no, okay, absolutely no.

Cut it.

The luger sits on a glass display counter. Winn walks over. That's it, he says, his father took it off of my grandfather. Klaus jokes to the goateed man, the gun is pristine. Mary and I take turns holding it. It's heavier than we expect. Win hands a driver's license over for the background check. While we wait, there's an awkward silence. I consider asking if anyone seen Mama Mia too. Here we go again, and if so, whether they thought the closing super Trooper number at the Hotel Belladonna was a

God, this is crazy to see.

At Mary's apartment, we all huddle around the dining room table. Scott's grandfather's gun has been placed at the center. Scott and Mary marvel at it, but I'm amazed at the tag is still on it. Yeah, and it has a number.

Four or five nine?

Look at that. This is crazy.

You understand how crazy this is.

If Winn does understand how crazy it is, it's hard to tell. There's something muted about his response. In fact, since we've entered the apartment, Wind hasn't seemed interested in his father's gun at all. When Scott asks him if he'd like to hold it, he declines, Well, Scott and Mary passed their grandfather's gun between them. Winn sits silently. I try to draw him out. Did you put any hopes in ever getting that gun back?

I thought it was unfortunate that it disappeared, but I pusn't saying darn. I wish I could find that gun. It's just a material object.

No one is sure what to say. Sure, it's a material object, but it's a material object that carries great meaning. It's a material object that connects him to his dad.

I was not as close to my dad as I would like to have been, the guy with a glass of Scotch whiskey in his hands, sitting in the easy chair, tossing out criticisms as needed. The way you grow a better son is to criticize him for.

The first time all day when isn't cracking a silly joke or smiling.

My main memory of my dad was being afraid of him. Remember, one of my early memories is that I'd somehow succeeded in getting a bruised bone on my shin. And I was like three years old, and my mother was sufficiently concerned that she took me to the doctor and had an X rayed, and it was, oh, in the world the world did a little teddy that was me then get a bruise on his bone? And I think what it is is that I think I got kicked by a guy wearing size twelve wingtips.

Scott's never heard this story before, and it seems almost like he doesn't want to believe it.

Were there good parts about your relationship with him, if you had to name, if I.

Had to name, hmm, I don't know. He was just kind of scary all the time.

Wynn explains that his relationship with his father wasn't the same as Bill's relationship with their father.

I think I felt criticized mostly for not being as good as my brother. He always did well in school, and I wasn't always so wondrous, and I always saw myself as a little more plump and a little less athletic.

Bill was always the louder voice in the room. So that Christmas, when Bill lectured Scott about the significance of the luger, Scott had assumed Bill was speaking for his dad too, but he wasn't.

I saw it as this treasured possession that linked to you to the good parts of Grandpa. That your relationship with him is complicated and different than I even knew.

Scott was right in believing that the gun was a reminder of Win's father and that it carried a lot of meaning for Win. He just misunderstood the nature of that meaning. To know that Scott had been thinking about it all these years, even maybe past year having thought about it. How does that make you feel?

It makes me feel loved that he would make it a part of his life to try to track it down. It feels like maybe I was at least part successful in not being like my dad. Yeah, that I was somebody he could run over to and climb up in the lap of when he was little and stick his fingers up my nose. He still liked to do that. I could never stick my fingers up my dad's nose.

Winn looks over at his son.

Don't let it bother you anymore. The greatest prize that I got out of this whole thing was the fact that even though all this crap disappeared, I got to get my boy back. The funeral plot that I had bought for myself to be next to your mom. I thought I was going to have to bury my son in it, and I am delighted that I never had to do that. That's ever so much better.

Maybe eight years ago, during Whinn's visit to Scott in jail, it wasn't the missing gun that had made him cry. It was missing his son. But now the gun tells a different story.

The gun has grown, so it's not just my dad anymore. It has a whole story to tell about my son, and it's back returned by this guy here. Thank you for doing all that.

Of course, a few weeks later, I get this text from Scott the other night. It reads, I stumbled upon a World War II documentary and for the first time in eight years, Scott didn't changed the channel. Now that the fern ures raft turning to its goodwill home, Now that the last month's rant is scheming with the damaged post, take this moment to dissolve.

If we met him, if we talked, never felt around for far too.

Famous at Accident Leeks. This episode of Heavyweight was produced by Stevie Lane and me Jonathan Goldstein, along with Khalila Holt and Ba Parker. The show is edited by Jorge just Special thanks to Emily Condon, Alex Bloomberg, Nathan Foster, Jacob Eppler, and Jackie Cohen. Bobby Lord mixed the episode with original music by Christine Fellows, John K. Samson, Blue Dot Sessions, Michael Hurst, Hailey Shaw, and Bobby Lord. Additional music credits can be found on our website Gimletmedia dot

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