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Dueling Blowouts In The NBA Conference Finals

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On this episode of The Heat Check, Trysta discusses why the Eastern Conference finals has proven that coaching does matter in the NBA more than people understand (0:51). Trysta also gives the Denver Nuggets and Miami Heat their flowers as the national narrative continues to focus on the trailing Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Lakers (15:22).

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Speaker 1

You're tuned into Heat Check with trust a quick.

Speaker 2

On this episode of the Heat Check, we got a big question facing the NBA. Our boss is in LA both going to be swept in the conference finals. I get into that, and then I deep dive into why Joe Mizzula's coaching hire actually solidifies how important coaching really is, maybe in a way we've actually never seen in history. I'll also update you on a lot of the ongoing coaching searches. Trust me, it is a confusing mess right now, a lot of overlap, a lot of nick nurse Nick.

Let's get right into it and let's drop that motherfuckering beat that should be Rihanna.

Speaker 3

So the topic of the day, maybe the week, probably the entire offseason, if we're honest, considering how bad things are right now for the Celtics is just how bad of a job Joe Miszula has done coaching the Boston Celtics in the postseason?

Speaker 4

How bad is it?

Speaker 2

The Athletic has three articles written on it, Like aren't these.

Speaker 4

Writers checking in with each other?

Speaker 2

Three articles on Joe Mizula being a dumpster fire in the postseason as a coach. You got Bill Simmons devoting many numbers of podcasts hours to it. Twitter is a is just an absolute mess in the comment section on how Spoe is absolutely out coaching Joe Missoula.

Speaker 4

Here, though, is what nobody is talking about.

Speaker 2

What we're witnessing in this Eastern Conference Finals is to me, the greatest NBA science experiment in.

Speaker 4

The history of the league.

Speaker 2

So okay, last year, right, ema Udoka takes over a Celtics team and it only takes him about.

Speaker 4

A half a season to complete. Changed the culture there.

Speaker 2

As we know, emay Udoka was bearing these kids in the media saying, oh, yeah, they're soft, they're not passing the ball. It was a mess, and all of a sudden things clicked in the postseason to the point where they get to the finals and they lose a hard fought series to the Warriors. Now you may not like the drop coverage that emay Udoka played on Steph Curry, Fine, fair, but I think we can all say that emay Udoka is an elite coach. Then, of course emai Udoka got

quote unquote suspended for the season. Aka got fired for not being able to, I don't know, just like keep it together. And he had some sexual relations with one of the members of the staff, and so that, to me, creates a perfect storm of circumstances we've never had in the history of the NBA. A head coach who gets fired after leading his team from five hundred to the brink of a championship. Yes, Brad Stevens took this team to the Eastern Conference Semis multiple times, but let's be real.

The Brad Stevens move to the GM position, it was because he was not.

Speaker 4

Ready and able to coach these men up.

Speaker 2

This wasn't Nick Nurse getting fired after four years after winning a CHIP. This was a coach everyone said was one of the best minds in basketball, completely change the culture of Boston, and he shockingly.

Speaker 4

Gets let go.

Speaker 2

He would have been the Boston head coach for a decade or more. And on top of that, the kicker is that the Celtics didn't change their roster. This was a team that they thought they were going to run everything back. They ended up actually getting better, getting the sixth man of the year in Malcolm Brogden, they added him to the roster. So this team, this Celtics team, is actually improved from last year, the one that we already know is good enough to win it.

Speaker 4

All I already know is good enough to go to the finals, and then.

Speaker 2

All of a sudden they get handed one of EM's assistance, not some random coach that comes in and has to take over a team that's already built a scheme in a system. No, thirty four year old Joe Mizula was there for the entire process under Ima Udoka. So now we get this beautiful opportunity to compare bad for Joe Moszula, really, because we.

Speaker 4

Really have all of the same factors that are consistent except for the coach.

Speaker 2

We can compare how this team compares to last year's team because they're pretty much the.

Speaker 4

Same and even better in our science experiment.

Speaker 2

They get to play the Miami Heat again, the team that they went toe to toe with in the playoffs last year, a team that is largely the same as it was last year, only slightly worse. They're missing Tyler Hero, They're missing Victor Oladipo. And by the way, Hero averaged twelve four and three against the Celtics and the games he played in the Eastern Conference Finals, and the Heat won two of those. Oladipo came in and averaged ten, three and three in all seven games. So this is

actually a beautiful perfect storm. The same two teams play against each other in two consecutive years, two consecutive Eastern Conference finals.

Speaker 4

By the way, and the only difference really Boston changed coaches.

Speaker 2

And now the truth has come to light and the world is being debunked because there are For many years people have said coaching doesn't matter in the NBA at all.

Speaker 4

It's a star driven league. Stars do star things. No, no, people.

Speaker 2

What we're seeing is the coaching matters a lot. Coaching matters on every level. We have never had the ability to see how stark it would be if a brilliant coach left. When coaches get fired, they're usually not brilliant. They're usually not very good. They're usually you see their ceiling. Teams are bad, teams have failed, they've been disappointments. I don't think you go to the finals and you fire

your coach right away. We've never seen, i mean hardly ever seen an elite coach get fired like this at this particular point in the juncture of his head coaching career, one year in to his coaching head coaching.

Speaker 4

Career, and this is what happened.

Speaker 2

The only reason emy Udoka isn't the coach this year and for the next decade is because of the personal scandal, right, and I had nothing to do with.

Speaker 4

Coaching, so we know that.

Speaker 2

Also, emy Udoka was masterful along the way to the finals.

Speaker 4

Maybe you don't like what he did in.

Speaker 2

The finals, but his defense, how he managed the roster. The identity of the team was defense all year long, ball movement, getting out and pushing the pace. And now we get to see how the same team performs under another highly regarded assistant coach, an assistant like I said, who I should remind.

Speaker 4

You worked under emy Udoka.

Speaker 2

It means the great Boston NBA coaching experiment proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, how one man can change the fate of a team, and more importantly, how important a good coach is to a good team. Another thing that's becoming very evident it is very easy for mediocre coaches to paper over their flaws in the regular season.

Malcolm brog didn't discuss this, which we'll talk about in just a second, but Boston easily got to hide under the regular season guide because of Missoula's inability to adjust when they were playing Detroit and San Antonio and teams that weren't scheming and planning and preparing for them because either the gap and talent was so much greater, or those good teams great teams were.

Speaker 4

Not really preparing for them.

Speaker 2

Even in the first and second rounds of the playoffs, Boston wasn't exactly really getting tested, and yet they were still kind of not quite acing the exam. There were four shore signs that shit was already.

Speaker 4

Going off the rails. Lest we forget, winning two rounds in the.

Speaker 2

NBA Playoffs gets you exactly halfway to the championship, you still have to beat good teams, elite teams coached by lea coaches, and Joe Massoula is very far.

Speaker 4

From an elite coach. I think we know that, right. I think we kind of know that.

Speaker 2

He might be a good coach one day, he might be an elite coach another day. But asking him as a thirty four year old head coach with very little coaching experience and only two years experience in the NBA in total, that is a bridge, folks. This guy came from the main red clause. Okay, if you don't know what those words mean, like, I understand if.

Speaker 4

I say, what is she saying?

Speaker 2

This guy came from the main red clause. Yeah, that's where he came from, Maine. That's the G League team for the Boston Celtics.

Speaker 4

He came from the G League team.

Speaker 2

That's where he came from. Joe Missoula got his. It's basically Aaron Miles, my guy who I love. Aaron Miles assistant for the Boston Celtics. He has more coaching experience in the NBA than Joe Missoula, head coach of the G League Santa Cruz Warriors and then an assistant for the Warriors in their title run, and then an assistant on the bench.

Speaker 4

For the Boston Celtics. So listen.

Speaker 2

I don't know what the deal is with Joe Mazzoli and why he's not very good, but I can say this, the adjustments aren't there, the rotations aren't there. He blames the team when he's the one at fault, and he blames himself when.

Speaker 4

It's the team.

Speaker 2

He wasn't at fault for this team, going down three zero in the third game, they didn't give the effort that they needed.

Speaker 4

He wasn't fault for them. Laying down and staying down. The lack of effort was embarrassing.

Speaker 2

Tatum and Brown and Smart and the others. They they either need to be consistently motivated or if they aren't, they're not consistently giving their full effort.

Speaker 4

It feels very much like the Brad Stevens era.

Speaker 2

And Missoula didn't get to coach under Popovich like Imeu did. He was a college assistant who got plucked directly five Brad Stevens and then went to the G League and then went to the pros. So you could say, oh, Trista, where were you when Boston started out eighteen and four?

Speaker 4

Well, when Missoula won Coach of the Month both in November and December.

Speaker 2

I get that, But that was Emey's team. Missoula got, you know, like a good class when they get a good substitute, they gave a substitute teacher. Like the bad habits don't restart right away. Missoula got appointed on the eve of training camp. And second of all, the more that Joe Missoula put his stamp on this team, the less they started to win. And once he got thrown up against good coaches, the cracks could be seen Quinn Snyder led a far less talented Hawks team to six

games in the first round. The bullet was dodged in part because Trey Young played like buns in the first two games. Then Joe lucked out in the coaching against the Sixers with an injured Embiid and the only coach in the playoffs keek it out coach was Doc Rivers. And even still he didn't look great in this series against a very underman Heat team. Was cold water on him because Bolstra is just much better. He has conducted a masterclass and Joel has only this to say for it.

Speaker 5

Joe, the biggest game of the season, A game you had to have, and you guys just looked completely lost after the first six minutes. What exactly happened out there?

Speaker 1

I just didn't have him ready to play like.

Speaker 5

The last forty eight hours.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I just didn't have him ready to play. I should have whatever it was, but it was the starting lineup or it was an adjustment. Just I have to get them in a better place ready to play. That's on me.

Speaker 2

What does that mean? I just didn't have them ready to play?

Speaker 4

What goes in?

Speaker 2

See this is investor investigator Krick and like Detective Chris, it comes out like what does that mean?

Speaker 4

What does it take to get a team ready to play?

Speaker 2

Like what did you not do this last forty eight hours that you've done in other forty eight hours? Like what do you think you'll do now moving forward to get them ready to play?

Speaker 4

What does that mean?

Speaker 2

It's a must win game? You're down two oho in both of those losses, we're at home.

Speaker 4

That never happens. And now let's be real. The Celtics are done and as they're about to exit the playoffs, players are spilling the tea like Malcolm Brogden, the tree Shaker, Malcolm Brogen exposing the flaws in the culture of the Boston Celtics. I am not shocked.

Speaker 5

I think in these playoffs overall, I think it's it's showing because we're playing a very disciplined, consistent, well coached team. But I think in the Atlanta series, I think in the Philly series, I think we got away with things that now are biting us. So you know that that's definitely treppling some of those things, yeah say, I think

it's mainly on the defensive end. You know, we haven't been consistently great defensively all year long, and that was the team's identity last year, and I think that slipped away from us. We've had spurts where we've been great defensively, but not consistently, and honestly, we've struggled in every series we've played. So you know, now we're playing a team that's playing, you know, as if they're the best team in the.

Speaker 3

League, and pass we've struggled in every round we've played so far.

Speaker 2

Defense was the identity of this team last year and it is not the identity this year. These were all issues by the way that Joe and the team have denied in the postseason, and they've denied all year, but they were very evident to anyone who watched them play more than a game or two. Celtics insiders are now.

Speaker 4

Hinting at toxic issues in the locker room. What does that mean? I need to know what are what's happening there that's toxic?

Speaker 2

Back to the great NBA coaching experiment happening here in Boston. We just have never had the ability to quantify this before. This is the first time we've ever had the opportunity, and I think it's great because now all of the people who are out there on Twitter and on the social media saying that coaching doesn't matter and you can just plug and play Steven Silas in the mix and you're gonna get a championship team.

Speaker 4

If it's composed of championship caliber players. That is false.

Speaker 2

They're playing the same team that they played last year in the Eastern Conference Finals. They have the same roster, and they're actually a little bit better, and they're playing a team that's actually worse. Tells you exactly what you need to know. Tells us hard truths. Coaching matters a lot, much more than people want to admit. In the regular

season matters not at all. Teams that fight through adversity sometimes come out stronger in the postseason, like the Heat and also like I don't know Boston in twenty one twenty two when he may.

Speaker 4

Wuk Doka was in charge. So good job, Joe Mizula.

Speaker 2

You're a very important part of history, and we'll see you the fuck later. Last time we talked about Nuggets in the Lakers series, I said, don't let those national figures tell you. Those pundits trick you into thinking the Lakers have a chance after they came back from twenty and they still lost in Game one.

Speaker 4

These moral victories that they're trying to claim that they had are not real.

Speaker 2

Let's face it, like what the national media wanted, and we know this was a Boston LA Finals.

Speaker 4

We know that they tried everything possible to make it happen, Like, stop trying to make fetch happen. It's not going to happen. They pushed that narrative at every opportunity.

Speaker 2

Just because you push a narrative doesn't mean that's the outcome that we're gonna get.

Speaker 4

Right.

Speaker 2

For example, Lakers lost Game one according to the national media.

Speaker 4

No, the Lakers didn't really lose. They figured something out, they got some kinks ironed, and now they've got Denver on the ropes. Denver won Game one. No they didn't.

Speaker 2

Just to Denver's actually in trouble. Denver is actually really should be scared right now by what the Lakers have figured out. Jokic goes insane, fills up the stat sheet. What was the stat sheet again? Thirty four, twenty one, and fourteen.

Speaker 4

Nope, when Ruy was on them though, they.

Speaker 2

Went scoreless as a team and he didn't score. If you're a fan of basketball, that commentary is gross.

Speaker 4

If you're a fan of the Heat and.

Speaker 2

The Nuggets, who have been slandered along the way, they only talk about the losing team is because those teams quote unquote move the needle as narrative national teams. That's unforgivable. That is unforgivable. I get this, I know this.

Speaker 4

I'm a Blazer fan.

Speaker 2

I watched the Portland Trailblazers with Damian Lillard go to the Western Conference Finals, by the way, beating the Denver Nuggets with Evan Turner, Moe Harkless. I mean a bunch of randoms Alfa arrukamnu and As Canter and Rodney Hood, Nick Stauskis, Seth Curry off the G League, Jake Lehman, all playing significant minutes. I know what it is like for the national media to dismiss you and to deny and make it seem like you do not belong in

this conversation. But I personally will not fall into this trap. We must give the winners their flowers. So what that the Nuggets have never accomplished anything in terms of winning a championship, Who cares the Nuggets may have a boring name the Nuggets. They may be in a sleepy yet amazing city, but they're one of the most fun teams to watch.

Speaker 4

In the NBA.

Speaker 2

Let's be real, Jamal Murray is showing up and showing out. Jamal Murray is not a bubble king. He is a legit superstar, a legit shot maker. He can take over against anyone. I promise you, Jamal Murray will be an.

Speaker 4

All Star next year.

Speaker 2

I if he continues this way in this place, Joal Murray All NBA next year. And we're seeing it again that Michael Malone is an incredible coach and Joker. Don't sleep on Joker. He can take over the the whenever the fuck he wants. MPJ one of the best clus shooters from deep Aaron Gordon, Swiss army knife that keeps things going.

And another thing that's evident as it relates to Joker, like remember in the beginning of the year, when it was Jokers to lose, it was he was clearly gonna win his third MVP, and it was unanimous, and then people started to get into the mix with the well, actually,

maybe the initial was right. Maybe the initial thought to give him his third MVP was the correct one because then people came in and they were like, well, actually, if he wins three MVPs in a role, he'll be in the category of Larry Bird.

Speaker 4

Andy Oks never won anything uptil the level of Larry Bird, So what has he done in the postseason?

Speaker 1

All the other.

Speaker 2

Three time MVPs have significant, significant postseason experience and success.

Speaker 4

I mean, okay, fine, and he's about.

Speaker 2

To win a championship, like most likely the Denver Nuggets are gonna win the championship, So maybe maybe we should have just like laid off a Yokich.

Speaker 4

I don't know, I think they're the one seed. At that time, we were saying that too, but nobody wanted.

Speaker 2

To believe because Denver Nuggets haven't accomplished a goddamn thing yet. It appears they are going to accomplish a lot. They are going to the finals, and the heat Butler spo Bam collection of sniper role players really freaking good. A lot of uh we'll call it adversity in the regular season. But by the way, they were the one seed last year and there were one Jimmy Butler jumper away from the finals.

Speaker 4

So please shut up, nerds, please please to me here's the bigger issue.

Speaker 2

I think I'm going crazy because I think basketball commentary is.

Speaker 4

Getting dumber and dumber by the second.

Speaker 2

Like did you guys see Mike Greenberg legit asking if the Lakers should sit their starters in Game five.

Speaker 4

In the second round of the playoffs.

Speaker 2

He's getting eight million dollars a year to ask these questions, the dumbest questions of all time.

Speaker 4

He legit said, did the Miami Heat win Game two? Or did Boston Celtics just lose it? That's what he said. These are Jesus Christ? Who are these people?

Speaker 2

This is chat GPT taking over two thousand and five sports radio thought that this ship was played out.

Speaker 4

It's painful. I used to love NBA Countdown and now it sucks. And by the.

Speaker 2

Way, like does anybody does anybody like sort of see or notice that Milik Andrews who took over for Rachel Nichols for NBA Countdown, just like I don't know who's just gone? Like I remember pepperich Farms remembers there are literally now no women on the NBA Countdown show. They used to be hosted by a woman and had Malika Andrews on there as commentary.

Speaker 4

As well, and now from two women to zero women.

Speaker 2

You've got a retread goober who got carried by two decades by Mike Golick and screaming a Smith who I love and Mike Golick or uh and Mike Well who I love, But like yo, we don't care about y'all. No one wants to hear Mike Greenberg talk about the NBA stick to get up.

Speaker 4

I'm done. It's not just ESPN Ryan Rosillo, who has done nothing but hate on Miami.

Speaker 2

In the playoffs, the Heat beat the Bucks and the Knicks, and all real Rosillo had to say was that Miami was a fluke. It's like that that Simpson's meme where it's like say it again, and it's.

Speaker 4

The last team that Miami beat, Say it again, and he's he's.

Speaker 2

Like Bart Simpson with the team that last got beat by the Heat, and it's like, yeah, the Miami Heat can't keep doing this, and they do keep doing this.

Speaker 4

No one could predict this.

Speaker 2

Ryan Rosilla said, Oh, there's nothing to learn from how Miami boat this roster.

Speaker 4

It's a fuke. The Celtics are better. Just dismissal, just disrespect. What does this have to do. What does next year have to do with this ear's Eastern Conference Finals? Nothing? Nothing.

Speaker 2

You wonder why Bam and Jimmy are like, no, we are not shocked by this. Stop asking us these dumb ass questions. Eric Spoltzer, please stop talking about these undrafted players. You guys are lazy.

Speaker 4

I don't care about the Lakers anymore. I love Lebron.

Speaker 2

This team wildly exceeded expectations. We should have been done talking about them in January. I want to talk about Nuggets. I want to talk about KCP, Bruce Brown and Christian Braun, the rookie, and Aaron Gordon and this small market team that's one of the funnest teams to watch in the NBA, and the way that they are crushing the national media telling us that super teams are all that matters and that narratives are all that matters.

Speaker 4

The Nuggets aren't underdogs. What are we talking about. They were the number one seed in the West. They're the third best team in the NBA. They have a two time MVP on the team. They're not underdogs. They just plan Denver and this narrative about Miami. Oh, it's hot in Miami. People go to Miami and.

Speaker 2

They party and it's too hot and the humidity bothers them and there's no fans there, like, stop.

Speaker 4

Being these people. These people suck.

Speaker 2

By the way, Miami's up three zero, and ESPN is still giving the Celtics a twenty six percent chances win this series, despite that no team has ever come back from down three to zero ever in history. The Heat are twelve and three and play in since the Plan and the playoffs this year, they have rolled six wins in their last seven games. They are five and two against the Celtics, including three and one at TD Garden.

Why does anybody think that this Celtics team, who Malcolm Brogden said can't get their shit together against the Atlanta Hawks. Why in a seven game series, Why do they think that Boston can beat that team four times?

Speaker 4

They can't.

Speaker 2

But it doesn't fit that clean, little cute narrative Boston versus La does not fit Lebron coming back down three to zero and the Celtics storming back in seven games.

Speaker 4

This isn't fucking Disneyland.

Speaker 2

This is not like, yes, the scriptwriters, but the saving graces at the national media. Once this is all over, we'll have to talk about the Heat and the Nuggets, but they'll probably just talk about Jimmy Butler and jok Like, let's just be honest, that's probably all I'll say. I'm not gonna listen, but at least they will be forced to talk about the teams that actually are winning and not the teams they.

Speaker 4

Desperately want to win.

Speaker 2

So we've not had an off season like this in a long time where there are like a bajillion good coaches will like pretty good coaches on the market who have been fired and are also like just on the market for their teams at the same time. Like you've got Milwaukee, Toronto, Phoenix teams that have either been to the finals or won a championship in the last four years, all on the market at the same time, all have openings.

Let's take a quick look right now at the open spots and talk a little bit about who's being tabbed to.

Speaker 4

Fill those spots. Let's start with the Troit Detroit Pistons.

Speaker 2

So Troy Weaver right now has done an exhaustive search involving interviews with ten candidates.

Speaker 4

Right now, it is narrow to three guys.

Speaker 2

Charles Lee, the Bucks assistant who is a Bell of the Ball, former Yukon coach Kevin Ollie and both of whom are being interviewed.

Speaker 4

A second time.

Speaker 2

And then Heat's assistant Chris Quinn, who will be interviewed after the finals are over. Of the three, the fan base might not have a clear favorite, but they are very clear about who they do not want. Kevin Ollie, that's right, the former Yukon coach who has not coached in five years, whose name hasn't been connected.

Speaker 4

To one coaching opening in the NBA since twenty.

Speaker 2

Fifteen, who is not interviewed by any other team and is very close with Troy Weaver.

Speaker 4

That is who the fans do not want.

Speaker 2

The smarter decision probably is Charles Lee. He's been ready to take over a team for years now. He was Budenholzer's lead assistant since the Atlanta days.

Speaker 4

Quinn is definitely in the mix as well.

Speaker 2

He's been an assistant in Miami since twenty fourteen. Very important hire for a Weaver, and if he doesn't start winning, he's going to be the one who's under scrutiny.

Speaker 4

Milwaukee Bucks after firing.

Speaker 2

Their championship winning coach two seasons after hoisting the trophying According to WOJ, the Bucks have narrowed their search down to Nick Nurse, Nick Nurse's assistant, Adrienne Griffin, and Kenny Atkinson, current assistant for the Golden State Warriors. Here's an interesting little nugget. I have been told by multiple people, three different quote unquote sources, that Giannis does not want Nick Nurse.

Whether that plays into things at all is not known, but I think you have to wonder why on earth the team would hire a coach that their superstar does not want, even if he says he kind of like doesn't want them. And how damning is it If the Bucks hire Adrienne Griffin over the head coach that he sat on the bench within that would be something. Another fascinating story around the Bucks will be the one of Kenny Atkinson, who was hired and then quit on the Hornets in twenty four hours last year.

Speaker 4

Great coach, really a good coach to build a team.

Speaker 2

I don't know how he is in terms of like maintaining a championship roster, but he said that the reason that he stayed in Golden State was because his light wife liked it there. So if he goes to Milwaukee, m kind of tells you that was a lie. Also, is there a potential situation where Steve Kerr moves on to the front office, if Bob Myers, the current GM of the Warriors, moves on, and then maybe Kenny steps

in as head coach. Coach for our dubs big offseason, Giannis is not guaranteed to stay if they can continue to underperform or.

Speaker 4

Steps to success along the way. Let's move on to Philly.

Speaker 2

They fired Doc Rivers as you know, for losing yet another closeout game, and the Sixers at this point are kicking the tires on at least six candidates. Nick Nurse again, Manny Williams. That's interesting, Sam Cassell, Mike Budenholzer, Frank Vogel, and you guessed it, Mike D'Antoni.

Speaker 4

What do they all have in common.

Speaker 2

They have a lot of experience, They've got winning pedigrees, except for Sam Cassell. Sam Cassell is very well liked. He's a Sixers assistant, and I think that's why he made the list. That's for the other five.

Speaker 4

I think Vogel is out.

Speaker 2

I don't think he's gonna I mean, he's kind of given me Brett Brown vibes D'Antoni seems like a long shot as well. He's seventy two years old, literally, like not like a fake seventy two, you know when you say, oh, that person's goajillion, No, he's actually seventy two.

Speaker 4

Nick Moni and Bud probably are the favorites.

Speaker 2

Very different coaching styles, with Harden probably going back to Houston or trying to. We don't even know what type of team Philly has. My guess is that you wait until the team that you have is constructed to name a coach for that team. It's also possible that More could just throw a wrench in things and look at a dark horse candidate like Massia Usuria is right now in Toronto. Speaking of Toronto, Toronto threw an ice cube

into everyone's tea. Today it was announced by Shams that the Raptors had conducted a full interview with none other than Steve Nash, Yes, the same Canadian, the coach the Brooklyn Nets, the same guy who is also a soccer coach, the same guy who.

Speaker 4

Is Canada's favorite son, the same.

Speaker 2

Nash who is handed the keys to a tesla and then found out that the AI had become sentient and wanted to drive it by itself, Steve Nash Messiah Ujerie has looked at no less than twelve candidate it so far, ranging from Becky Hammond, whose luster has worn off after her suspension for berating Deerica Hanby for what was.

Speaker 4

What does she do wrong?

Speaker 2

Oh, she got pregnant two years in a row, and also looked at JJ Reddick, current ESPN personality and podcaster.

Speaker 4

These are real.

Speaker 2

Names, these are real names he's looking at. That's pretty much the dartboard method of picking a coach. If they have held a basketball in the past five years, put him on the board, put him on the interview list.

Speaker 4

Seriously.

Speaker 2

The raps have also looked at a few young coaches who could fill in and kill it in Toronto. Jordi Fernandez, King assistant who took over for Mike Brown for a game this year. When he won, his team celebrated like they all won a ring, huge sign of love and respect. Charles Lee the Bell of the Ball from Milwaukee, Chris Quinn in Miami, Adrian Griffin again for Toronto, all.

Speaker 4

In the running.

Speaker 2

Even Kenny Atkinson is on this list. So you've got a lot of the same coaches on all of these same lists. I think you're going to know everything that you want to know about the direction that this franchise is heading based on who they hire. If they hire a young coach without any experience, it's kind of a will Hardy situation the ar rebuilding. If they hire an experience coach, they are going to try to keep their assets and they are going to try and win. Now,

Phoenix Sun's head coaching search is I have no idea. Honestly, I've looked and looked and looked, and there's a lot of names floating, but there is no definitive list.

Speaker 4

Matt Ishbi is probably going to hire Isaiah Thomas, isn't he?

Speaker 2

Yes, Like there's no list, there's no list. He's got a deep pocket, He's connected in Detroit. He loves Isaiah Thomas. Either Isaiah Thomas is coaching this team or he's gonna be the GM of this team. I don't think you can scratch off any of out of work coaches off the list right now. There's probably coaches under contract he's looking at. Tyler's name has been prominently mentioned, and this

is a very intriguing search. He could go with assistance like Jordi Fernandez or uh I don't know, like possibly another coach that has worked under Sam Presti. So more likely it will be a splashy and expensive higher because that's what Isshbia wants to do. I would guess that maybe Nurse or Bud would be the choice in Phoenix, although I don't think either one is a fit in

my mind. As Michael Bridge's former Phoenix Suns recently said, Amani Williams isn't the problem and wasn't the problem in Phoenix. So if the coach wasn't the problem, who was? Can another coach come in and fix it? Lots of speculation, but one thing is for sure. Phoenix is facing a fascinating offseason where DeAndre Ayton has mentioned in multiple trade rumors to Detroit, to Dallas and to Portland a couple of final points in Houston. Our man I may Udoka

is assembling his staff. He's just brought in Royal Ivy from the Nets as his first major hire. I think he is likely to retain Rockets assistants John Lucas, the second a Rockets legend, and Ma Mood abdel Fata, who's been credited with bringing along the baby Rockets I think probably Aaron Miles, who's currently assistant for the Celtics.

Speaker 4

I could see him joining him in Houston.

Speaker 2

And it will probably depend on Joe Mizula's job status, which brings me to this. We've talked a lot about Joe Misula this episode, but we did not ask the question it's his job in danger. Forty eight hours ago I would have said no fucking way, But now even Wolje, even Brian Windhorse, is saying, well, maybe his job is in danger. And the reason that every single Celtics fan as I rate right now is just howling mad is

Joe Mizzula. And when your fan base, who is rapid, makes this much noise, you must listen or you risk losing the team to your fans altogether. So as possible, we might have another job opening very soon.

Speaker 4

It's a col world out there, folks, cold world. That's all the time that we after the heat check.

Speaker 2

We'll be back Friday with an all new episode, and we are now well into the conference finals.

Speaker 4

May be done with one of them tonight.

Speaker 2

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