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The hotel remembers the town’s dark history. At least, the ghosts inside it do.

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Bisbee, Arizona was prosperous for the mine owners, but for the miners themselves, things were different. They worked difficult, dangerous jobs for minimal pay. In the midst of all the controversy and strikes, rose a luxurious hotel with a pool, billiard room, bar, restaurant, and today - lots and lots of ghosts. Special Guest: Jenna Lampinen

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Speaker 1

Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Manky. Listener discretion is advised. Hey friends, my Fall speaking tour has officially been announced, So head to Amybrunie dot com. That's amybruni dot com to see if I will be appearing near you, either for my ghost story filled lecture series or any of the numerous conventions and strange escapes trips I have coming up. Hope

to see you in person soon. In eighteen seventy seven, prospectors made a discovery and a canyon in Arizona's Mule Mountains, just eight miles from the Mexican border. The ground underneath the area, known as Mule Gulch, was rife with copper. Just three years later, a town was formed. By nineteen ten, more than twenty five thousand people had arrived in Bisbee

seeking out their fortunes. Throughout the two thousand miles of mining tunnels under the town, people mined copper, silver, and gold, and a rare and precious kind of turquoise price today called Bisbee blue that was discarded as mining by product. In the early days, the copper Queen mine was Bisbee's most productive mine, producing an unusually high grade of copper ore. But it wasn't just the town's most productive mine. It was bringing in the highest yields in all of Arizona.

In the midst of the mining boom and all the wealth coming from it, the town needed a luxury hotel. The Phelps Dodge Corporation, which owned the Copper Queen mine, built the Copper Queen Hotel as a place to host its investors and visiting dignitaries. It opened in nineteen o two to rave reviews. The Bisbee Daily Review called it a magnificent hostelry unsurpassed in the territory. With every equipment and excellent management, Bisbee was prosperous for the mine owners,

but for the miners themselves things were different. They worked difficult, dangerous jobs for minimal pay. The unrest grew so pervasive that in nineteen seventeen, two thousand men gathered in protest, only to have most of them rounded up by strike breakers and hired guns from the mining company and deported to New Mexico. The mining companies were so rich and had so much control over the town that they owned the newspapers and were able to squash any news of

the strike of the miner's treatment. About one thousand men were detained for several months by the government for questioning. It was one event in a series of conflicts over Bisbee's affluent, but very dangerous years. The Copper Queen still stands in Bisbee today, and the hotel remembers the town's dark history, at least the ghosts inside it. To I'm

Amy Bruney, and this is haunted road. The newspaper went on to describe the newly opened hotel by saying, we entered the office after passing an easy flight of stairs, to find it beautifully furnished with California redwood and attractively paneled. A large mantle over the fireplace is one of the finest obtainable. The lady's parlor to the right, occupying a very sightly position, is exceptionally fine and tastily arranged in mahogany,

with rich green silk, plush and satins. Beyond the parlor and leading into the office, is a large and commodious billiard parlor, substantially arranged with tables and chairs and other equipments. Beyond this is a buffet, a barber shop, washroom, bathrooms, et cetera, all thoroughly furnished and up to date. It's worth noting that the newspaper was owned by a close friend of an executive of the Phelps Dodge Corporation, but the description does sound enticing, especially of the dining room.

The article continued, saying, the dining room is one of the most cheerful and attractive to be seen anywhere. China and silverware is all of special design, having a monogram of the hotel on every piece. The glassware in the buffet is composed of a selection of some very rare in some of unusual design. Every piece is cut glass with the monogram c Q etched upon it, and many designs have never been used in any hotel before. The

silver wine coolers are of unique design as well. The Italianate style hotel costs more than seventy five thousand dollars to build, twenty five thousand dollars of that on furnishings alone, which would have totaled close to two point five million dollars today. The hotel originally had seventy two guest rooms, with each floor sharing a single bathroom, but was eventually remodeled to have private bathrooms and only forty eight rooms in the smaller rooms on the higher floors. Some people

lived in them long term. Despite all of these success and prosperity in the town, things were not peace and Bisbee miners especially were discontent with their working conditions in pay from the mining companies. During World War One, the price of copper soared, yet the mine owners did little to improve quality of life for their employees. Although union activity had been suppressed in the area for years, several local mines successfully organized during the war. Sheila Bonnard wrote

a history of the ensuing events. On June twenty fourth, nineteen seventeen, the Industrial Workers of the World presented the Bisbee mining companies with a list of demands. These demands included improvements to safety and working conditions, such as requiring two men on each machine and an end to blasting in the mines during shifts. Demands were also made to end discrimination against members of labor organizations and the unequal

treatment of foreign and minority workers. Furthermore, the unions wanted a flatweight system to replace sliding scales tied to the market price of copper. The mining companies refused, and about half of all the miners in Bisbee went on strike on July twelfth, nineteen seventeen. The town was rocked by what came to be known as the Bisbee Deportation. Early that morning, in an effort to quash the strike, roughly two thousand sheriffs vigilantes rounded up about two thousand men

and brought them to Bisbee's baseball field. The majority of them were striking miners, but some had nothing at all to do with mining in the town. Two men, one striker and one mine supervisor, were shot and killed. The Phelps Dodge Corporation censored local telegraph lines so no news of the action could reach the outside world. In fact, by nineteen twenty five, the company owned every daily newspaper in the mining districts of southeastern Arizona in an effort

to censor any negative press about the company. Nearly twelve hundred men refused to denounce the strike. They were her into box cars with floors covered in cattle manure and transported across the border into New Mexico and left there for several days. Two days later, US troops arrived and detained many of them for several months. As Sheila Bonnard wrote, Meanwhile, Bisbee authorities mounted guards on all roads into town to ensure that no deportees returned and to prevent new troublemakers

from entering. A kangaroo court was also established to try other people deemed disloyal to mining interests. These people also faced deportation. President Woodrow Wilson eventually set up a commission to investigate the Bisbee deportation, but it was found that no federal laws applied, and the state of Arizona refused

to prosecute the copper companies. Responsible Mining declined in the nineteen thirties and forties across the state, but the Copper Queen continued to produce for decades longer, until the yields came so low that the company finally closed operations in nineteen seventy five. Today, the once thriving mining town has only about five thousand residents, and the town is primarily a bohemian haven for artists and creatives. The Copper Queen is still hosting guests, though in fact it's the longest

continuously operating hotel in Arizona. When the mines closed, the Phelps Dodge Corporation attempted to sell the hotel, only to come up short on offers, so the company offered the hotel for one dollar to any local who wanted to purchase and restore it. An artist named Stephen Hutchinson and

his wife Marcia purchased the Copper Queen. According to a former employee interviewed for an oral history project, it was this shift in ownership that changed Bisbee from a dwindling mining town to one attracting the more nonconformist elements the town has today. By nineteen eighty four, the New York

Times was reporting on Bisbee's newer residence. A handful of artists and writers sprinkled among waves, but one part time resident describes as a ragtag collection of terminal sixties hippies, new ageists, experimental environmentalists, burned out Vietnam vets, overdone drug cases, and others. Many celebrities have stayed at the Copper Queen over the years, including Harry Houdini, John Wayne, Michelle Pfeiffer,

and Julia Roberts. According to legend, John Wayne wance through fellow actor Lee Marvin through a window of the hotel. While today the hotel has modern amenities, it still feels true to its Victorian roots. The lobby has an antique

reception desk and lush, old fashioned furniture. According to Heather McMahon from the Society of Architectural Historians, much of the original glazing, interior woodwork, and Italian imported mosaic tile flooring in the lobby is intact, and the original tiffany stained glass ceiling still remains today. The hotel rooms are also decorated with historical details like vintage style wallpaper three five fifteen.

The Julia Lowell Room has a vintage prostitution license framed on the wall, as well as red carpeting, a fringed lampshade, and opulent floral headboard. Other specialty themed rooms include those dedicated to famous former guests like Harry Houdini and John Wayne, said by the hotel to be his favorite specialty suite, chosen for its close proximity to the saloon. In addition to hotel rooms, it now contains a restaurant, the nineteen o two Spirit Room, that still has its original tin

ceiling and a saloon. Is it any surprise at all that this hotel is rumored to be extremely haunted? I didn't think so. In fact, the Copper Queen keeps a ghost log at the reception desk for guests to record any activity they witness during their stay. Over the fifty years the log has been available, guests have filled more than ten entire books with their accounts. But it's not just the hotel. All of Bisbee is said to be charged with supernatural energy, which some attribute to large limestone

deposits under the city believed to fuel paranormal activity. Hotel employees report seeing doors and windows open on their own, feeling mysterious cold spots, having electronics malfunction for no reason, hearing phantom footfalls or people calling their name when no one is there, and even seeing full body apparitions. Laurie Doland, a front desk clerk working in overnight shift, described an experience she had at two a m. As I entered the dining room, I saw a strange woman standing against

one of the columns. I clearly saw that she had reddish brown hair, which she wore up in a bun, brown eyes, and a healthy pink complexion. She also wore a high collared blouse and was about, I guess in her mid twenties. Immediately I knew this woman was a ghost. I could only see her body from the waist up. Since then, Doland says she has heard footstock and the sound of a skirt swishing when she's alone in the

dining room. The spirit of a former front desk clerk named Howard is also said to linger behind, watching over employees to make sure they're doing their jobs. Rose, another employee who passed on, is seen sitting in the lobby keeping an eye on the front door. While there is activity all over the hotel. There are some rooms that are especially haunted, like Room three fifteen, the Julia Lowell Room, named after a woman who is rumored to have taken

her own life in that room. According to the legend, in the nineteen twenties and thirties, Julia was a beautiful courtesan who fell in love with one of her regular clients who would not leave his wife to be with her. There are no records of any suicides in the local papers,

so it's entirely possible the story is fabricated. But keep in mind that during the time frame in question, the Phelps Dodge Corporation owned both the hotel and the newspaper, so it would have been very easy to keep secret any news that cast their holdings in a negative light, fabricated or not. Julia's spirit lingers in the hotel today, most often appearing to men. She is said to sit on the foot of their beds, touching their feet or

whispering in their ear. When women are sleeping. In Room three fifteen, she's also said to pull the covers off the bed. According to the Haunted Places, Former chambermaids have also reported hearing a soft female voice whispering don't trust men while cleaning the vacant guest rooms. In addition to her presence in Room three fifteen, she can also be seen walking up and down the hotel's main staircase dressed

in a long black gown. An unnamed spirit is said to linger in Room four oh one, whose appearances go hand in hand with a phantom smell of cigar smoke. He's described as a distinguished looking older man with a white beard who wears a black top hat. Some have said that when they've spotted him, he's been holding a revolver in his hand. Room four twelve is also called Billy's Room in honor of the ghost boy believed to haunt the room. A portrait of Billy hangs in the

room today. He's said to be between five and nine years old and is believed to have died by drowning, though various accounts say it happened either in a hotel bathtub or in the San Pedro River nearby, with suspected foul play involved and his parents covering up what really happened. According to accounts from hotel staff and guests, adults can hear him, but he appears wearing nineteen twenty style nickers

to children. Adults have said they've heard Billy running through the hallways, giggling, jumping on furniture, or playing with doorknobs. A bartender at the Copper Queen said that whenever running water is present, Billy can be heard crying. According to America's Most Haunted Hotels, a little girl having dinner at the hotel claimed to be playing with a little boy under the table, though no one was there. Guests are encouraged to leave candy out for Billy to prevent him

from playing pranks like moving or hiding their belongings. He's said to take the candy and leave the wrappers behind. Up next, we will be chatting with Jenna Lampanham. Her family owns and operates the hotel, and she has stayed in virtually every room there. She's had some wild experiences and we're going to chat with her all about them. That is coming up after the break. I am currently joined by Jenna Lampinin, who it sounds like, just kind of does everything at the Copper Queen at the moment.

Is that correct, Jenna?

Speaker 2

Yeah, I go where I'm needed. I help out with whatever the other managers might need from me HR stuff, groups and event planning.

Speaker 1

Now your mom owns the hotel, correct, yes, ma'am. Yeah, so you've had probably years and years of experience visiting there, and now you've recently actually made the move to Bisbee. I love that. So I actually have only been to Bisbee one time, and I want to say it was in like two thousand and seven or eight, and it

was specifically to visit the Copper Queen. I stayed there for one night before I was doing an event in Tombstone and it was beautiful and I honestly cannot believe I haven't been back yet.

Speaker 2

Oh yeah, Well, anytime you're welcome to come on out.

Speaker 1

It's got a really great history. We covered that in the first half, but we love to talk about the ghosts, and so just someone who has spent a long time there or you know, and probably had many experiences there, what would you say is the most prevalent type of paranormal activity that people can experience.

Speaker 2

Yes, So, in my opinion, there's many, many, many spirits here. When I was just visiting here, I've obviously spent a lot of time in almost every single room in the hotel I've stayed in overnight, and every room it's so interesting. Every room you go in has a completely different feel, a completely different energy, and you can just feel that it's different, different spirits, different energies kind of in every

room and throughout every floor. As you go up throughout the Copper Queen, it sort of feels like you get more and more disoriented, Like I still sometimes am like, wait, which room is that side on? And it's almost like being on a ship. You kind of get up there and the energy gets thick with them, I mean, in my opinion's spirits. So I mean, people, it really depends on what room you're in, what how open you are

to sensing the energies around you. You know, particularly I like Billy's room because I think he's a pretty active ghost in our hotel.

Speaker 1

And now, which room is Billy's Room.

Speaker 2

Four twelve, so top floor.

Speaker 1

Okay, And what happens in there? What can people expect to experience?

Speaker 2

Well, my personal experience when I was in there was that I kept waking up in the middle of the night hearing what sounded like a little kid running back and forth like and it sounded to me like it was just at the foot of the bed, so he would just it didn't sound like it was coming from the hallway or ups or you know, there is no upstairs right above me, so downstairs or anywhere else. It sounded like it was just like you know how kids will do that, They'll run back and forth and back

and forth. And it kept waking me up in the middle of the night. And on the third night, I whipped out of bed and I went out the door because I'm like, this has got to be a kid running in the hallway, even though it sounded like it was in the room. And yeah, there was no kid there. There was no one staying on that floor at all.

Speaker 1

I mean, I think that could catch some people off guard.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean, I think he's harmless. What I started doing is leaving candy on There's two beds in that room, so I would leave candy all the way on the other side of the room, kind of on the other side of the other bed over there, and the running noise is stopped, but the candies would be slightly pulled under the bed.

Speaker 1

I always wonder what happens when we do that, because I've done that before, and I'm like, is the ghosts upset with me because I'm giving it candy and it can't have the candy? Or can it have the candy? Or is it like ghosts cbs where like they can smell the candy. I have so many questions.

Speaker 2

I guess it probably depends on the spirit, would be my opinion on that, you know, because maybe, yeah, I think it would depend on the spirit. Were they all already angry in the first place? Are they more just a playful spirit like I think Billy is.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's great. I love that I see. I feel like sometimes hotels, just because having investigated so many of them at this point, I sometimes I feel like, and I think we've talked about this on the show before, how they kind of become a place not just for people who died there, but people who really enjoyed visiting it in life for whatever reason. Absolutely, And I kind of get that vibe from the Copper Queen. Do you feel like those are thereist those kind Absolutely?

Speaker 2

Most recently I was talking about that with we had Patty Nagrie come up to the hotel. We had her here just a few weeks ago, and me and her got to do some ghost hunting and we were talking about one of the rooms. There was a very strange energy in and we were communicating with the spirit in that room. This was on the third floor, and it wasn't a that died there, It was just a spirit that had good times there. I mean, this hotel is

so old. I think a lot of people have come through and enjoyed themselves here and maybe even if they didn't pass on the premise, have come back from a more permanent stay.

Speaker 1

Right, And I do feel like I think, just coming from the human perspective, you know, why wouldn't we want to revisit places where we had wonderful memories? And I mean, if we had that ability, if I could close my eyes right now and fly off somewhere and relive or be somewhere that made me really happy. I would absolutely do that, So it makes sense. How do your guests feel. Do most people that come do they know that they're staying at a haunted hotel? Or does this ever catch people off guard?

Speaker 2

I think most people know. I think what catches people off guard sometimes sometimes it excites them. Sometimes it catches them a little bit off guard is when they ask, so, is it haunted? And I tell them absolutely yes. Sometimes they're a little unsure or or oh no, or you know, or they don't want to really be in a haunted room, or they ask me, well, which room is not the least haunted, and I'm like, I can't really help you. The whole hotel is a little haunted, you know, but

that doesn't mean in a bad way. That doesn't mean that spirits are going to hurt or scare you or anything like that, you know.

Speaker 1

Right, But some people are just very scared of the idea of ghosts. And I don't you know, I think, you know, like you were saying that hotel, I think that it is kind of an energy throughout the entire building. I think I'm sure you know, there's probably certain rooms that might be more haunted for whatever reasons. But like you were just saying, I don't think that necessarily gets you out of having an experience for sure.

Speaker 2

Right, Yeah, there's no promises with that, because I think that a lot of the ghosts, the spirits and energies, you know, travel around through halls in different rooms. But there are definitely a few rooms that i'd say are like occupied.

Speaker 1

You know, well, let's talk about those. What would you like? What rooms do you think are maybe the most active in what happens in them?

Speaker 2

So I'd say, again, Billy's is probably the most active in my own experience. I always sends him whenever I'm in that room. And when we also did a seance recently with Patty and Agree, and we were communicating with the spirits of the hotel, and we found out that Billy doesn't really come downstairs. You know, they say that only children can really see Billy. So a lot of children say they see him jumping on the couch and the lobby. But my guess at that would be because

I don't think Billy comes downstairs. I only ever sends him right outside of that room or in that room upstairs, And I think that there's actually two children ghosts in our dining room downstairs, and I think they run around the lobby and jump on the couch. And these two have actually been captured on camera. And it's the reason that our dining room is named nineteen oh two the Spirit Room.

Speaker 1

Oh, how interesting? And so what's the connection that they just they call it nineteen oh two the Spirit room because it's haunted or was there something specific?

Speaker 2

Uh? Yeah, because the spirits are haunting that the two that we have on in that picture there, and it's really clear. You can see it really looks clearly looks like two children ghost ghosts in the background of the picture.

Speaker 1

Oh, that's fascinating. I'll have to see if I can find it online and link it to people so they can check it out.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I'll see if I can send it to you too.

Speaker 1

I think that's great that you name your restaurant after your ghosts.

Speaker 2

It's I mean, they were probably here first.

Speaker 1

So absolutely. Okay, So what are some other rooms? I feel like I thought two eighteen or something, but I could be misremembering. Are there other rooms?

Speaker 2

There's Julia Loll which is three point fifteen.

Speaker 1

Oh, okay, that might be it.

Speaker 2

Jually A Lull was a prostitute in sometime in the early nineteen hundreds, and her father was actually the first manager here and he knew she was running her business as an escort, and he just wanted her to be close by him. So he had her setup in a room which was which is still near a back exit of the hotel, so that her johns could come and go.

And the story goes that she fell in love with one of them who was married, and he didn't reciprocate that love and didn't want to leave his wife, and she hung herself in the rafters right outside of the room.

Speaker 1

Oh okay, And so I can imagine that room has some stories to tell. What happens when people stay in that room.

Speaker 2

Well, people will say, men will say they feel very very easy in that room. Women sleep just fine. Men will say that their feet are tickled or scratched or pulled in the middle of the night. I know people have had a lot of experiences in that room. I've only been slept in that room one time, and I felt very safe and protected. And then again when Patty was here, she was saying that Julia Lull had taken some kind of liking to me and follows me around here at the hotel when I'm working.

Speaker 1

Oh, that's great, she's seeing another child of the proprietor. Now, would you say that most of the spirits there are intelligent or do you think there are some that are just kind of more residual in nature, just kind of going about their business.

Speaker 2

Oh, I think it definitely varies from both of the things you just said, Like it depends like there's some that are more just like residual energies, and it's really it's really wild to walk throughout the floors and kind of sense that, like that's that same disorienting feeling because there's just so many energies and so many memories and kind of dollar spirits. But then there's also the stronger ones like Billy, like Julia, and then there's another spirit

two that people don't talk about as much too. One is a They call him the no Name Man, or he might also be the smoking Man. We're not really sure, but it's it's the unnamed room, which is four oh one, which almost might be more haunted than Billy's room.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it sounds like a more ominous type haunting. Is that is that true? Like what happens. Is it just a little more I don't want to say negative, but just maybe a little more dark or heavy.

Speaker 2

It's kind of creepy feeling. Like most recently people have told me they've had they had the same exact experience that I had when I was in that room, And it kind of felt validating to me because they told me right away that they felt uncomfortable sometimes using the shower.

They felt a little watched over, nothing like evil or harmful, but just like there was something keeping an eye on them, and the door was creaking open and unlocking and opening by itself, not the bathroom door, but the main door.

Speaker 1

I meant those times that you don't want to feel like spirits are watching you, it's when you're like in the bathroom right, showering and whatnot. I remember, I think, I there are years ago. I don't remember that psychic Sylvia Brown, she was the next level back in the eighties or whatever. Again, my mom was well if you google her, she had very big fingernails. She's very famous. She did a lot of stuff on like Montell Williams

and whatnot. But she used to always say that spirits were incapable of watching you shower or do your business in the bathroom. And I believed her because I was like nine. But now I'm thinking, why is there just some sort of like spiritual entery, Like I mean, there might be you.

Speaker 2

Can kind of try to like block that out, like exactly energy away, but I don't know about that being from their side, them not being able to I'm not sure why that would be possible.

Speaker 1

No, I don't think so. I just thought it was so funny later on in life, how I just took her word for gospel. I was like, yeah, they can't they can't see you.

Speaker 2

They're like, wait a minute, let me think about this.

Speaker 1

They can't watch you. That's too funny. But yeah, I mean that's when you feel very vulnerable. So I could see why that would be creepy to people. So note that folks wanting to stay in room four oh one, the no Name room, Peeping Tom ghost potentially yes. And now do people ever witness apparitions in the hotel?

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean I've seen the more out of the corner of my eye. I know other people have seen things. I know children see spirits a lot around here, and then their parents will come and write it down. We have ghost logs behind the front desk that anyone at all can either look at before their stay or also after their stay, right down their own experiences in And it's just like a bunch of worn old books with just thousands of stories in it of people what they've seen, what they've experienced.

Speaker 1

I love that now. I think I've read somewhere those went back decades? Is that true? Yes, that's amazing. A lot of hotels weren't really doing that type of thing that far back, so I mean that must be just really valuable information to go through. Like I mean, I can't imagine like reading experiences that are happening now, but then flipping back in books from like the sixties and seventies and seeing that people were reporting the same thing.

Speaker 2

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, yeah exactly, and then seeing that people are seeing or sensing or experiencing such similar things in sometimes like the same room or in the same way. And it's so interesting. And I always recommend the books to people if they're just waiting in the lobby or want to check them out. I mean, I find them so interesting.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I mean I would love to flip through those. Now, what about shadow figures. Are they something that people see regularly in the hotel.

Speaker 2

I'm not sure. I'm sure they have, and I'm sure they're in the logs. I know that I have. I know that there's I don't know if we could consider

him a shadow figure or really what it is. But there is a back part of the hotel that is kind of like a small alleyway, and one side of it is like the back of the building, and then there's like a narrow alleyway along there that has kind of a cave wall, and it's very, very, very creepy, and I always got so creeped out anytime I went back there, and I kind of pushed myself to walk

through that cave alleyway. It goes back pretty far and then rounds the corner a little bit, so you can't even see the exit, and it's very narrow and cobwebby and dimly lit and creepy all around, and I always got maybe I just got really spooped and so I was kind of hyping it up to myself, But I always got an evil feeling back there, And that's the only time I've sensed any type of evil or anything like that around the hotel at all is that back area, and I also saw it looked like I also would

get that same feeling in the back of the kitchen area, and I would go down there sometimes to get some waters something, and there would be no one around, you know, middle of the night kind of thing, when I was staying in the hotel years ago, and I would always get that feeling from the very back of the kitchen, and it always I saw twice actually what seemed like a dark figure darting, but I only saw his back leg and it was very clearly like a back leg like you know when you just look up and you

see like the back legs like of someone that just ran into the back part of the kitchen. And then I did discover after walking through that back alley that the back of the kitchen is actually connected to that back alley through like a large vent, So it might be the same energy that I That would make sense why I was sensing it in the back of the kitchen and also sensing it in that back alley because they're actually connected in the very back that's interesting.

Speaker 1

I was actually going to ask you if they were connected in some way, like if there was a door or something.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I didn't realize it first, and then I went that all the way all the way back there because I was always too scared to go all the way back. And there's a big vent there connecting them. Hmmm.

Speaker 1

Interesting. I mean, who knows what happened in that alley right back in the day. It probably saw some things, I know.

Speaker 2

Yeah, And so we actually communicated with that spirit at the seance, and his name is sal He says that he was poisoned and that he's he's not an evil spirit, he's just he's upset and you know, rightfully, so he was poisoned. I'm not sure if he knows who or what, but he's kind of eternally lurking back there looking for the poison that killed him, or you know, looking for answers, and and that's what we discovered when we communicated with him at the seance.

Speaker 1

Well, that's great that you're like having full communication with them, you know, that's really valuable. That was gonna be my next question, like who were your most chatty ghosts and what do they seem to to want to let you know about?

Speaker 2

So, yeah, Saal was actually probably one of the most chatty ghosts during that because the sales was held in the dining room, which is, you know, right next to the kitchen and all that. And I was trying to express that like I sent something evil back there and it's not Maybe it's not sal Maybe it's not that spirit. And Patty suggested that she felt like there might be a presence of a portal back there and maybe and with a portal, sometimes more evil things slipped through or

show themselves in that area. And I'm like, Okay, that would make a lot of sense why that area feels so heavy and disorienting. Yeah.

Speaker 1

And I also find that some of these you know, locations that become you know, sort of investigated a lot or talked about a lot as far as ghosts and hauntings, they almost act as a bit of a beacon to spirits in the area because they know people are there

actively look to talk to them. It's almost, you know, they're just kind of like, I mean, I imagine anyway, this is just me and my but I feel like, you know, I've just yeah, especially with the hotel, but I've met so many spirits over the years and my investigations that aren't from anywhere near where I'm investigating, but they kind of expressed this. You know, no one was paying attention to us, but we could we could see ghosts getting

interaction here, and so that could be it too. Now have there been Are there any ghosts there you feel like might have any sort of unfinished business other than poisoned sou that might need something or want help? Or do you feel like they're all pretty at ease and okay with being there?

Speaker 2

Well? I did wonder about that, but I think they're here by choice. I mean we did communicate with them throughout the ghost hunt. I would ask every room we went into and every spirit that reached out to us, I would say, can I ask a question? And I would ask, are you trapped here? Is there anything I can do for you? Like? I love this hotel, This is my family's hotel. I love the spirits here, I love the people here. You know, this hotel is my life, And so I would ask them, what is there anything

I can do for you? And they all said that they're here by choice, and we didn't sense any type of you know, struggle with that. I think some of them are pained by what was going on in their previous lives or their deaths, but I don't think there's any spirits that are trapped here.

Speaker 1

Yeah, Now, are there any any rumors about the hotel or supposed ghost stories or history that many people believe to be true? But you know it's not or like anything false out there that you would love to correct, you know.

Speaker 2

I'm sure there's a lot like.

Speaker 1

Sometimes those urban legends go around and you're like, nah, it's not true.

Speaker 2

Especially in a yes. Yeah, I mean the one that I hear like a lot is that Billy is downstairs jumping on the couch. But I already said, like, I think that. I don't think Billy comes down here at all. I think that's the children ghost in the in the dining room. Maybe the smoking Man. I'm not sure if the smoking I don't think I've really seen the smoking man. A lot of people say they see him around the third floor wearing a top hat and that it smells

like cigars. I think they say the third floor, but I haven't really had any run ins with him, although he may be the same ghost that haunts for a one so I'm not sure. I'm not sure about that one.

Speaker 1

Now, So if people do want to come visit the Copper queen. I mean, I don't. Do you guys offer ghost tours investigations? Do they just stay? Do they eat an the Delicious restaurant? Like what do you recommend?

Speaker 2

Okay, well, I yeah, we have our dining room, we have our saloon. Anyone is welcome to come in and take a look on all the floors and go on our second floor landing. We have a beautiful piano you can sit down and play. We have some game tables up there. We also have Lavender jeep tours in town. We have ghost tours that are available. You can ask about them at the front desk, not through us particularly, although I will say I'm actually working on something right

now to bring back ghost tours within the hotel. We used to do it a long time ago, and I'm working on bringing that back. So pretty soon here we'll probably be having more like insider ghost tours, you know where I have a lot of stories. I'm sure if you really get me going, I would just go on and on about because, like I said, I've stayed in almost every room, you know, so I realized that through the last ghost hunt with Patty Nagree that I'm like,

I have endless stories about this place. I think we should bring this back.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I would love to. I love that town. It's so fun. It seems kind of artsy and quirky, and I love that about it. And the hotel's beautiful and haunted, which is what we all love. So I highly recommend a visit to anyone out there listening. And Jenna, you've been lovely. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Oh yeah, and I just wanted to say one more thing too. We are also doing a lot of events coming up. Stay tuned on Instagram and on our website and Facebook, and keep an eye out for all the cool events coming up that we're going to be having.

Speaker 1

I love that well, thank you again, super appreciate it, and hopefully I will it won't be fifteen years before I visit next time.

Speaker 2

Yeah, please come out anytime, and maybe I'll take you on on a little ghost hunt and I'll probably remember a lot more stories than too.

Speaker 1

The Copper Queen is one of the most famous haunts in Arizona, and I think it's the perfect example of a hotel that continues to be a beacon for guests, living and otherwise. So many stories have emerged from this ornate beauty in the middle of a mountain mining town. Some beautiful, some terrifying, but it certainly sounds like something you should experience for yourself. Who knows, maybe you'll become part of its story too. I'm Amy Bruney and this

was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is hosted and written by me Amy Bruney, with additional research by Taylor Haggerdorn and Cassandra de Alba. This show is edited and produced by rema El Kali, with supervising producer Josh Thain and executive producers Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. Haunted Road is a production of iHeartRadio and Grim and Mild from

Aaron Manke. Learn more about this show over at Grim and Mild, and for more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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