Nearly 140 of them Died, Many Charred Beyond Identification

and the Balboa Theater in San Diego on September. So tickets can be found at the venues websites, and I hope to see you there. While filming for a show called Ghost Hunters that if you didn't know, I spent seven seasons on, I had what stands to this day as being the strangest experience I've ever had in a theater. Adam Burry and I had drawn the short straw when it came to investigating a very particular claim at a

theater we were filming at. You see, the claim was that every night at three am, a figure could be seen high up in the balcony. You had to be on the stage to see it, but if you saw it, this figure would wave at you. B s. We all laughed, but we had to check this out because the facility was adamant. So as the rest of the team packed up and left for the night, Adam and I stayed behind to wait for three am. Again the short straw. We along with a lone camera operator and producer, perched

on the stage and waited. As the clock ticked three, we peered up in the darkness. We called out, hello, nothing. We scanned the seats, scanned the railings, and then we saw it, not in the balcony, but standing in one of the doorways at the back of the balcony where people would enter to take their seats, a white figure drifting in and out of focus. Hello. We called who was up there? But we knew no one was there. We personally watched everyone leave. Plus this didn't look like

a solid person. So we looked at each other and looked back up in the balcony and we waved, and I kid you not, that odd white figure lifted what I assumed to be its arm and started waving back. And then it just stood there and waved and waved and did not stop waving, this strange slow wave that to this day sends chills down my spine. We tried desperately to capture what we were seeing on camera, but with how far away it was, it was nearly impossible.

Our camera operator, witnessing this as well, also tried. At some point we ran up to the balcony to the very spot where this figure was, but as you can imagine, no one was there, so you'll just have to take my word for it. You'll also have to take my word. Theaters can be crazy haunted, so let's visit one with some wild history attached to it and of course lots of ghosts. We're headed to the Paramount Theater in Asbury Park, New Jersey. I'm Amy Brunei, and this is haunted road.

Early in the morning on September eight, Nur, while the ship was churning through an intense storm on its way to New York, flames shot through the walls of the S. S. Morrow Castle. The blaze destroyed the electrical work and disabled the communications system, leaving the luxury liner dead in the water unable to call for help. By the time the blaze had calmed. Approximately one seven people had perished, many

while asleep in their beds. But from the shore in Asbury Park, New Jersey, people knew what was happening aboard the S. S. Morrow Castle. They stood on the beaches watching the ship burn, powerless to help the people aboard until their bodies washed up on shore. In the months that followed, tourists flooded the convention hall and the attached Paramount Theater, paying twenty five cents apiece to see the charred remains of the ship, which washed ashore next to

the buildings. Some looted the cabins of the wealthy who had been aboard. Others speculated about the cause of the disastrous fire, which was later determined to be arson, saying it was an inside job by the government or enemies of the United States. The tragedy left its mark on the community, and some say filled the theater with the souls of those who perished and who cannot find rest. But it wasn't the first time that stretch of coastline

had seen a tragedy on such a grand scale. A century earlier, another ship burned, killing more than two hundred people aboard, just off the land where the Paramount Theater sits today. Is it any wonder the building is full of ghosts. Founded in eighteen seventy one on the northern shores of New Jersey, Asbury Park quickly developed into a

resort town. People sunned themselves on the town's beaches, strolled the boardwalk, and by night danced in its dance halls, as Ray Gallagher wrote in his History of Asbury Park, by the early twentieth century, Asbury Park cemented itself as New Jersey's premier tourist destination. The city decided it needed a large gathering place for visitors, which would attract even

bigger crowds and drive the growing tourism industry. That place would be the Beachfront complex housing the Asbury Park Convention Center and the attached Paramount Theater, which were first planned in nineteen sixteen, but didn't secure funding until a decade later. According to the U S Department of the Interior, the plan to build a convention center in Asbury Park was steeped in controversy from the start. On the one hand, there were those who believed that the building was necessary

for Asbury Park to meet the demands of tourists. On the other hand, there was an equally vociferous group who maintained that the increased public financial burden would be suicidal. The complex was designed to accommodate a lot of people, thirty four hundred in the convention Center and just across the arcade connecting the buildings, sixteen hundred in the theater.

They were designed by the same architects who envisioned Manhattan's Grand Central Station in the eclectic style popular in the day, with seashells and nautical motifs decorating the facades of the buildings. Inside the Convention Center is a massive seven hundred pipe organ built into the walls themselves, so the instrument is

actually part of the architecture. The Department of the Interior describes the theater's decor is consisting of offset concentric light panels of amber cathedral glass, interspersed with reinforced plaster, ornamentation of floral character and female nudes, and perforated ornamentation for ventilation. When it first opened its doors on New Year's Day nineteen thirty, the first movie the theater showed was Howard

He Uses Wings. Not long after, people filled those seats to watch music legends like Benny Goodman and Duke Ellington perform. Much later, Asbury Park's biggest claim to fame would be launching Bruce Springsteen's career. He was born just a few miles away in Long Branch. While Asbury Park endured a fire in nineteen seventeen that destroyed four blocks of the city, the burning of the USS Morrow Castle was a tragedy

on an enormous scale. It brought national attention to the theater and convention Center when news of the fire broke as it was happening, though, the ship's burning was more of a maccabre spectacle, with crowds gathering to watch the conflagration as it slowly inched its way to shore, nearly hitting the convention Center before making a turn and breaching by the theater instead. Maybe it was because entertainment was hard to come by in the middle of the Great

Depression when the Moroal Castle burned. Maybe it's because many of the people living in the small seaside city had never before seen a luxury liner, which broke speed records when it launched and made weekly voyages for wealthy passengers between New York and Havanna. But the event was absolutely a spectacle that brought people in droves. Spectators created what Gordon Thomas and Max Morgan Wits called an almost carnival atmosphere where vendors of hot dogs, soft drinks and coffee

did risk business. It took a whole day for the Morol Castle to drift ashore. The ship continued to smolder for days, with explosions hampering efforts to search for potential survivors on board. According to author Eric Larson, who wrote about the Moral Castle disaster, the remains became a major tourist attraction, with ordinary people driving to the city from all over the Tri state area to pose for macabb

photos in front of the ship. In fact, the Asbury Park City Council proposed keeping the ship there as a permanent tourist attraction, only to reverse course when the idea was condemned as gruesome. Official records say that five hundred fifty people were on board the ship when it burned, but some numbers, taking into account Cuban refuge children on their way to America, placed the count as high as six d twenty people. Nearly one hundred forty of them died,

many charred beyond identification. One survivor, Cuban national Renee Mendez Capote, told the press, I am sure most of the passengers burned to death while they slept. There was no warning. I am alive only by luck, accident, or perhaps through

some higher power that watched over me. A contemporary newsreel referred to it as a terrible tragedy of the sea, equalled only by those of the Titanic and Lusitania footage when the reel shows the ship still at sea, with smoke streaming from the vessel and passengers visible in the water, as well as locals pulling victims out of the surf on the Asbury Park beach. Some claim that the Paramount was used as a makeshift morgue for victims of the fire,

but that claim is hard to substantiate. The majority of unclaimed bodies were moved to a temporary morgue set up at the National Guards station Camp more down the coast in Seagirt. The legend may come from a wishing boat called the Paramount, which was involved in picking up survivors and bodies during the wreck. Whether or not the theater was used as a morgue, it was definitely involved in the tragedy. Rescuers made early attempts to reach the ships,

burned out wreckage from the building. According to a nineteen thirty four news article in The Evening Courier, members of the Coastguards stood on the promenade of the Convention Hall and using a lile gun, fired a line aboard and a breeches buoy was rigged up. At least one body was brought back across from the Morrow Castle via this line,

although what happened to it after that is unclear. As the article described, one body was taken off the Morrow Castle, two had been found on the ship, and there was no telling how many more were burned to death in their cabins. When the searing flames swept through the liner, the body was hoisted ashore by the breeches buoy. It was burned beyond recognition, but it was believed that of a man. The inspection party found another body, but could

not get to it because of the heat. Others, including journalists, paid five dollars for use of this breach is booy to access the ship, with an extra charge to rent a gas mask or a flashlight. At least one man used this opportunity to loot the ship of deceased passengers personal items, including diamonds belonging to a Miss Katherine Cochrane, whose body still lay in her suite alongside her jewels. The Convention Center turned the Morrow Castle into a money

making endeavor. According to a contemporary account from The Evening Courier, the center's management through the place open to the public at twenty five cents admission. From the balconies of the hall, a particularly good view could be obtained. A sign in front of the hall read twenty five cents to see the Ss morrow Castle. Benefit of the families who died. It's estimated that in the six months the boat was on the beach, over one hundred thousand people came to

see it. There was, though, some good news that came from the tragedy. According to the Asbury Park Historical Society, the devastating fire aboard the Morrow Castle was a cat A list for improved shipboard fire safety. Today, the use of fire retarded materials, automatic fire doors, and ship wide fire alarms is a direct result of the Morrow Castle disaster. The incident also led to greater attention being placed on

fire drills and lifeboat procedures. Because of all the increased tourism, the theater saw a boost in attendance, with twice as many people turning out for shows like Italian boxer Primo Carnera's sparring demonstrations. It's likely that the Paramount even showed one of the various news reels made of the Morrow Castle, some footage of which was facilitated by the breaches booy from the Convention Hall. Somehow, it was not the first

shipwreck to beach itself in that spot. In eighteen fifty four, the New Era was sailing from Bremen to New York when it ran aground and sank close to where the Convention Hall now stands. Over two hundred people, mostly emigrants from Germany, died in the tragedy, which helped spur the creation of what is now the U. S Coast Guard.

Because a ship was the final resting place of many people, to this day we still don't know the exact number, and because it's spent so long on the beach next to the complex, many believe that the ghosts of the Morrow Castle is Dead still haunt the area around the Convention Hall and Paramount Theater. One investigator claims to have found an infant's footprint in the dust at the back of the theater, and people report feeling cold spots throughout

the complex. A light bulb once crashed to the floor for no apparent reason, and lights sometimes turn themselves on and off. There are many accounts of shadow figures in the space, especially on the balconies. If you've seen the Paramount Theater episode of Kindred Spirits, you know that Adam and I spotted many of those shadow figures while we were there investigating, which also coincidentally happened to be on

the eight fifth anniversary of the Morrow Castle disaster. According to Patricia Hire's book Haunted Jersey Shore, there are testimonies of unexplained sounds such as voices, laughter, crying, and even screaming in the space. She also wrote that audience members claimed to have been admonished by a peculiar gray shadow if they do not pay attention during a performance. Overnight. Security guards have claimed to hear the conventions Hall pipe organ playing. One insists that he once saw a shadow

figure in old fashioned clothing playing the organ. There are also claims that two young women sometimes identified as cabaret show girls, were burned to death in a dressing room

in the theater. I personally investigated this claim and found there had been a fire near the dressing room area, evidence of which is very apparent, but it actually happened in the nineteen eighties, and the fire itself was contained to one room, a storage room, not the dressing rooms, apparently started by a peanut roasting machine that had been

stored there. The extensive damage to the adjoining hallway and former dressing room area is actually smoke and water damage incurred while fighting that fire, and when sprinkler systems were triggered, no one perished in this fire. All of his information was verified by the local fire department. They even came out to look at the damage and explained to me

personally how it happened. It pays to be a stubborn researcher with a place with as much fraught history as the paramount, though it's hard to separate fact from myth, but I can tell you from personal experience that the place is very haunted. Up next, we have Kathy Kelly joining us. She is an Asbury Park paranormal investigator and historical researcher who was the one who brought the Paramount

to my attention. She's been investigating there for years and has many stories to share, so that is coming up after the break. So I am currently joined by Kathy Kelly, who is a paranormal investigator, a historical researcher, and also the proprietor of Paranormal Books and Curiosities and Asbury Park, New Jersey, which I highly recommend a visit to. So thanks for joining us, Kathy, Oh, thanks so much for

having me. Of course, Now you are the one who brought the Paramount to Kindred Spirits, like you had investigated it many times and you thought it would make a great case for us, which it did. It turned out to be one of the most interesting we've done, and lots of paranormal activity, which is not necessarily rare in theaters. I find theaters to be exceptionally haunted. So can you just kind of tell me, like how you started to investigate at the Paramount and how you found out about

the haunts going on there. Sure, Well, the Paramount, obviously, you know this is one of these grand old theaters, and it's from the very early part of the twentieth century, and you know it's one of those places that as soon as you walk in, kind of the weight of history settles around you and you just you just feel something.

And in two thousand and seven, I had been to the theater several times, but I was actually invited to come and investigate with a couple of local investigators, kind of casual local investigators, and they had been working with some of the guys that actually took care of the place. Um And in two thousand and seven, the Paramount was in a much more advanced state of disrepair than it is right now. So it had been it had never been completely vacant, but it had been quiet for a

very very long time. And when we went in, I'm kind of a skeptical investigator, you know, And when we went in, I was tagging along in this investigation, and I had one of the most i would say profound experiences that I've ever had as an investigator. And it was probably the primary reason why I ended up opening Paranormal Books and Curiosities in Asbury Park was because of that building. That's so interesting. So now we have to

know what was the experience. So we were up in the back hallway, which I'm sure you remember from your investigation. There's a point where you have kind of the modern section of the building, and then you have this section that looks like it was in a fire and it's burnt out, and there's not a whole lot in there that's modern, right, it's kind of a dark area. And there's this long hallway and this is where people had

reported a lot of activity. And I was there, and I was right at this doorway where people had claimed to see a man standing and then he was kind of protective and kind of aggressive, you know, or aggressively

defensive of that particular area. And I was standing there and I wasn't really feeling anything, but there was a light bulb on this little shelf that was right behind the doorway, and the doorway was open, and we were standing there, and the investigators that I was with were well, they were trying to do e v P. But they were provoking, not really negatively, but a little bit aggressively, you know, kind of like prove you're here and you know nobody believes you're here, that kind of a thing.

And um, I would say the shelf was about six ft behind us, and there were probably about eight people, and it was four and four so so we had created this little alleyway kind of and the lead investigator was getting more and more aggressive. You could feel the kind of the energy in the space just getting tighter and tighter and tighter, almost like you're like something's going

to happen. And all of a sudden, that light bulb came off of the shelf and just went about fifteen feet between us and ended up smashing on the wall on the other side of the eight of us. And for the life of me, I cannot figure out how that could happen in a non paranormal way. I mean,

I mean, I just I just can't. And I just remember that moment being like, I don't know what caused it, you know, I don't know if it was us, it was our energy of the energy of the space, But I just remember at that moment saying, oh my god, there's something to this, you know, like as investigators, you're always looking for that ah ha moment. And I think that was one of the biggest aha moments for me.

And there was one of the guys that worked in the building was there, Jason, you know Jason, he was there, and he looked at me and he smirked We had many conversations where I was like, it's probably that, but it could be this, and I was always very dismissive of it, and he just looked at me like, see and I and honestly I did. I saw that moment. It wasn't frightening, you know. I didn't feel like it was aggressive or like, but it was startling and it

was dramatic. And I've investigated there many, many times and we've always gotten some interesting things, but never anything quite as dramatic as that. But that was enough for me to say, I don't necessarily know what's going on in this building, but something is. You know. It's funny because there's two types of people. There are the people who when that would happen, they would book it on out of there and never return. And then there are the people that are like, huh, my interest is piqud and

I was curious. That was very strange. Had that light bulb just flew fifteen feet and smashed against the wall. I feel like there's something to this. Yeah, now, I love that, And I do find that many investigators have that kind of aha moment, and then I also feel like the location where they have them kind of becomes

near and dear to them, you know. And I think that's really pertinent when you talk about the Paramount, because we've had many conversations about it over the years and just all of the wild things that happened there, and kind of like I touched on earlier, there's something about theaters, and obviously the history of the Paramount is wild, but there is even without that history. There are many theaters that seem to have their ghosts and and not necessarily

connected to a death or a tragedy. Just I mean, I personally believe it has a lot to do with the energy of theaters and because there's not really much that happens in a theater that isn't high energy. That's the point of every performance is to reach the person in the very back of the room. That's my thought anyway, on why they're haunted, I totally agree. I also think that when people are singing and people are laughing, and people are doing these things, it's called raising your spirits

for a reason, right, right, So it's like elevating. And maybe there's a physiological component to this, and I'm sure there is, with the release of endorphins and all of that, but I do think that there's a lightning of your spirit when you're in the theater and when people are performing and they're giving their all, but the audience is

so receptive to that. And I always think of theaters as being like a battery where you have these high emotional, high energy moments and it just kind of affords whatever might be around a lot of energy to attach itself too and to use, you know. And there's a reason why they call it a ghost light. Um, there's lots of fun stories like that. But I agree. I've always found theaters to be for some reason. I think we're touching on probably why to be really active. And that's

really cool. Now, do you if somebody is going to investigate the Paramount or visiting the Paramount, what would you say is the most prevalent type of activity they could encounter there? So to me, I think there's like the big things that people have heard about. Everybody always wants to go to that hallway because they've heard this story, But that's not where I've always felt the most experiences or where I think there's the most activity. I would say a real sense of presence, like to be very

aware that you're not necessarily going to see something. You're not necessarily going to hear something, although you could in this particular place, you definitely could, but to be very aware of a sense of someone around you. I do think that if you're on that stage and you're looking out into the and you've been on that stage, it's it's a big old vaudevillian stage, like it is a really cool building. You can see movement. You really could

see movement. And I know that everybody that works there talks about hearing things, but for me, it was always just the sense that there's someone around you. And I know for a lot of people that doesn't seem like enough, but for when you've been investigating long enough, you don't really care that much about what you capture on your equipment. It's really more about what you experience in this space. And to me, there's just always in differ in places

you can really feel presences, right. I definitely got that vibe there, especially up on the stage. I remember someone telling us a wild experience there about how they literally saw like a shadow envelop like half the stage and then go up and over them, and that was something that I hadn't really heard before. And there seems to be a lot of shadow activity there that doesn't necessarily always look human in shape, Like we saw something in

the seats at one point. I actually captured something on video up in the seats, like it looked like almost the size of a child, but there wasn't really like a humanoid shape to it. Have you seen these shadow figures? Yeah, In fact, I remember I've seen it a couple of times.

And I had done an investigation one time with someone who was one of the larger fleer thermal cams, and we were up on the stage and we were just kind of doing a quick pass through of all of the seats, right, a quick kind of you know, let's just get a shot of everything. And there was one seat about halfway up that had dropped down and you could see a warm you know, that the seat was warmer than all of the others, as as if someone

had just gotten up and left. That is something where you have to look at it and you say, let's see if there's like some kind of heating element underneath, let's say, but there wasn't. It just it really was one of those things where it's just that is just

very strange, and it shouldn't have happened. But while we were standing there, I remember looking out at the entire space and it gets very dark in there, but there's always a little bit of light, right because they have those beautiful stained glass windows and stuff like that, there's always a little bit of ambient light that comes through and your eyes kind of acclimate to it. And I remember seeing what looked like a dark blob and it was up in the balcony and it looked like it

ran up the stairs and out a door. But the only door up there actually goes to the projection booth, and it's not an easy thing. It's locked, and you go to the projec action booth and you have to go up a catwalk and it's it's not a simple thing. But we all ran up to follow it because we all saw it. And when we got up there, we realized that the door was locked and there was no place for this, whatever this was, to have gone um,

And that's something that I physically saw myself. But I will tell you you know, I've been in Asby Park now for fifteen years, and the Paramount has hosted some pretty big bands, and I would say for like the first ten years I was in asmy park, there wasn't a whole lot to do, so they would all eventually get down to paranormal, you know, they're wandering through town.

And I can tell you that I've gotten probably I don't know, two or three dozen reports from people who performed there and who were in the green room and who spend time they're doing rehearsals, who have come in and just said, this place is haunted, right, because this is what happened to me. And they invariably talk about shadow figures in the audience that they see when they're rehearsing.

It's so funny because I think about that sometimes, about how a lot of us have touched on the idea that maybe spirits sometimes just kind of go about their business in the world and we might not even know that they are not a live person, you know, And it makes me wonder if sometimes that anonymous nature applies in a theater, especially where they can sit in kind of the seats amongst the living and just enjoy a show.

And then sometimes they might just also want to watch a sound checker two, you know, and because they're not limited, they can come and go and they could be attracted to the energy that's being provided by the stage. One of the weird things that happens in The Paramount that I've gotten all the time from people is there seems to be something that likes to mess with one of the bathrooms. And the paramounts an old, old theater and

it hasn't been completely renovated yet. So when you go into the ladies room on the first floor, it's a one bathroom bathroom, so there's always a huge line of women, you know, waiting to use it. And the lock is literally one of those you just turn it and it

locks right. And people report being in the bathroom and having the lock jiggle and like as if someone is trying to get in, and then they open up the door and they walk out and they see this line of women and they're kind of like, hey, I was in there, and then women look at them like, yeah, we know. So no one had touched the lock, but from the inside there was this kind of interaction to

kind of spook them. And I do think it's funny because you get this a lot in theaters too, and maybe it's water related, I don't really know, but you do get that kind of where people on the outside are not having that experience, but people on the inside are. And it's just one of those funny things that when you hear someone tell a story one time, you think, Okay,

that's an interesting story. But when you hear the same story told by dozens of people over many years, and these people don't know each other, then you have to start saying, well, that's actually a real phenomena. And I don't know the cause of it, but I definitely know what's happening. And in the paramount, there's a lot of these little unique experiences that don't seem to be related to each other. There's the thing in the upstairs dressing room,

there's the stuff that you see on the stage. There's the thing that's that happens in the projection, there's the thing that happens in the bathroom. And it all seems to be happening in the theater, but not related to

each other at all. And that's so interesting to me, Like I always wonder that, like, why is it that in the afterlife a spirit chooses to jiggle a bathroom door lock up to scare poor ladies in the restroom, which which is when we feel like the most vulnerable you know, especially if you're wearing you know, like a jumpsuit and you have to take the whole thing off. You know, there's a line of women waiting, so you're

you know, that is hysterical. But I mean, I guess maybe if and when I become a ghost, maybe I'll be a little prankster like that. Now that means said, have you had any e vps that have come out of the Paramount and if so, what have they been saying. You know, we've gotten a few e v p use over the course of the years. Some of them have been very strange and that they don't seem to be related to the Paramount at all, but they seem to be related more to kind of like casual life in

Asbury Park. We got one where we got someone who said that their name was Josh, you know, in response to what's your name? My name is Josh. It actually didn't say my name is Josh, It said Josh. And then you know, what are you doing here? And I'm fishing and the Paramount is right on the beach and it's actually on where a jetty used to be. We also got we got music one time which was nobody

heard and it was just kind of recorded. And then we did get something in the projection booth once it was just a name and the name was art, but again nothing that was directly related to the theater itself, because the theater it's not anyone's home, but it might be something that they were like transitioning through. I mean that makes sense because the activity, it's not always super

interactive there. It does seem very energy based, and I guess residual and nature not to undermine what it is, because there is a lot of activity there, but it

doesn't always seem like it's necessarily aware of you. And I think that sometimes we investigate places so many times, and I'm not saying this about the paramount per se, but sometimes we investigate places so many times that I do feel like spirits kind of detect that energy of like people calling out and reaching out, and so they might come in even though they're not necessarily affiliated with

that location. And I think the same thing could be said for theaters, like that energy of a live audience of people milling about outside, and I think that might attract some sort of spiritual activity on its own. And given where this place is, I mean, it's not in the middle of a city. Really it's right on the ocean, and there is this kind of seasonal component to it too.

I have investigated the Paramount when Asbury Park was an absolute ghost town, and I've investigated the Paramount, you know, when it's blown up and been like one of the larger resort towns on the East Coast, and it's different.

It's different when there's more energy in the area. I'm a believer that location matters, and I'm a believer that the ocean is a living thing with a lot of energy, and I do think that there's different conductive properties to water and things like that, and I agree, I don't necessarily think that everything that people ascribe what happens in the Paramount to certain historical events, and maybe they're right. I don't know. I don't know that we have enough

evidence to actually say that. But it's one of those places where you stand there, you feel the weight of its history, and if you stand there long enough, you're going to see something. I will say, I think most of what happens in the Paramount is residual, but we

definitely have seen reactive things as well. I can't think of a theater of that size that is low hated, so close to an ocean, you can literally there's an area on the other side of the Paramount, which is Convention Hall, but they're attached and they're essentially the same building that they actually called the Overlook because it looks a little bit like something from the Shining, but also

because it literally hangs over the ocean. In Hurricane Sandy, there was ocean water in the paramount, that's how close the ocean is to it. And it is a really unique space given its proximity to the ocean and kind of the shifting sands that it's on, and interesting historical things have definitely happened there. Certainly tragedies have happened in the area, and you kind of wonder if maybe people knowing the stories, believing the stories don't in some way

impact kind of the experiences that people have there. Oh, I definitely think that happens. I find Asbury Park so interesting because the first time I went there, we were filming an episode of Ghost Hunters at a local I think it's like a museum or something. And I can't remember exactly how many years go that was, but probably close to fifteen years ago, and it was a different

town than when we recently went back. It has completely come back like it's such a dynamic and beautiful place, and I mean, people really rallied to make that happen. It's a really wonderful place to visit. The architecture and kind of the Art deco nature of all the buildings in town is just beautiful, and there's not a lot of places that can say that. And so I do think it's so interesting that the theater's energy has kind

of changed with the vibe of the town. I love to hear that so and you know, and I think that you play a big part in that too. You are such a lover of the town and I think you should be commended on some of the work you've done there very much. So, Okay, how can people find Kathy Kelly? Obviously they should go to your store, but

then you also do some events and things. And Adam and I love you, We love the research you do, we love how through you are, We love you know, having you be involved in the case on Kindred when we did the paramount. So shout yourself out and thank you, thanks so much for or even thinking of me. But I'm on Instagram as at the Paranormal Museum. We're on

Facebook as Paranormal New Jersey. Our website is Paranormal Books and j dot com and we are open to the public and we do lots of different events and we've been around for fifteen years, so we're kind of a mainstay in Asbury Park. Certainly, if you've ever visit Asbrey Park and you ask anybody about paranormal, they'll know where we are. Yeah, I mean, I have to say, I think yours was the first Crampus Parade I ever attended,

or Crampus um. That was really one of the reading on the Naughty List, the reading of the Naughty List, and it was so so locals can actually I think they could like actually put in their naughty things they did or something, and then it was amazing. That was so much fun. So well, I really enjoyed that. I love talking to you as always. Thank you so much for joining and filling us in on the activity at

the Paramount Theater. Thank you so much for having me, and he was great talking to I've investigated many a theater that didn't seem to have much tragedy attached to them, but remained ridiculously Haunted. As Kathy and I discussed, I really do theorize it has to do with the energy of a performance and of an audience, and the emotion and passion of artists and staff. But not many can claim a tragedy like the Paramount, and well, it's hard to imagine that not having to do with the haunting

of the Paramount. I'm not sure it does. Regardless of my thoughts, the theater remains one very spiritual place. Not to mention, it's a gorgeous example of the grand theaters of yesterday. I highly recommend a visit. Also, you didn't hear it from me, but there's some pretty incredible ice cream available right outside of it on the boardwalk. I'm Amy Brunei and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a production of iHeart Radio and Grimm and Mild from

Aaron Mankey. Haunted Road is hosted and written by me Amy Bruney additional research by Taylor Haggerdorn. The show is edited and produced by rema El Kali and supervising producer Josh Thing and executive producers Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.