Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minkie. Listener Discretion is advised. Three hundred and thirty one years ago, nineteen people were executed in Salem, Massachusetts. Eighteen of them were hanged in front of hordes of enthralled onlookers. One unfortunate soul was crushed to death after being pinned under boulders for three long days in an effort to extract a plea from the accused man. Their crime witchcraft, or so their accusers said.
Among those hanged was John Procter, a local farmer and tavern owner. Procter and his wife Elizabeth, were both accused of witchcraft. Today, a house bearing his name stands just
outside the modern borders of Salem. It may technically be in the next town over, but the John Procter House looms large over the darkest parts of Salem's history, and it is absolutely full of ghosts, not only of those who were touched by the witch trials, but by generations of spirits who are there for a reason you might not expect. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road. Born in England in sixteen thirty one, John Procter Junior emigrated to America when he was just three years old
with his parents, John Senior and Martha Proctor. The family settled in Ipswich, a town in the Massachusetts Bay Colony about twelve miles north of Salem. The elder Procter was well respected in Ipswich. He owned many properties and was one of the town's wealthiest residence. Despite a life of prosperity, the younger John Proctor's life was marked by loss. He married his first wife, Martha, in Ipswich in sixteen fifty two. They had four children together, but in sixteen fifty nine,
Martha died in childbirth. Only one of their kids, Benjamin, survived into adulthood. After Martha's death, Proctor married Elizabeth Thorndyke in sixteen sixty two, with whom he had seven more children. Two of those kids also passed away in their youth. In sixteen sixty six, the family relocated to Salem. The Proctor's leased a large farm on the outskirts of Salemtown, which today is Peebody, mass Back then, it was referred to as Salem Fields. To give you an idea of
the level of respect the Procter family had. John leased a three hundred acre farm from one of the most prominent figures in Massachusetts Bay Colony, Emmanuel Downing, who was one of the earliest New England settlers. His son, George Downing, had Downing Street in London, where the Prime Minister lives, named after him. The property included a home located on a main road through Salemtown. Two years after settling in Salem,
Procter obtained a license to run a tavern. While he and his sons farmed the land, the women ran the tavern. Elizabeth died in sixteen seventy two. Two years later, Procter married for a third time to Elizabeth Bassett. Between sixteen seventy four and sixteen ninety two, they had six children. At the time of the trials, Elizabeth was pregnant with their seventh. If you're counting, that's a total of seventeen
kids for John Procter. According to the Salem Witch Museum, When the first witchcraft accusations began in the winter of sixteen ninety two, Procter's reaction was skeptical. From what we can see in the records, he appears to have been a practical and forward thinking man, successful in business and hard working. He was sixty, had sired seventeen children, not all of whom lived to adulthood, by three different wives, and was outspoken about his feelings against the witchcraft hysteria.
The accusations first came from two very young girls, Elizabeth Paris, the nine year old daughter of Salem's minister Samuel Paris, and Abigail Williams, the eleven year old niece of Samuel Paris. Though many people joined in on the accusations of witchcraft as time progressed, Paris and William's remain into the main accusers throughout the trials. Motivations for the accusations were varied, and for some onlookers suspicious. From the start. Procter was
critical of the accusers. According to Salem Ghost City Tours, he did not agree with the witch hunt and was very vocal about his opinion. He would mention his disbelief in the witchcraft accusations to anyone who would listen. In her book titled Hunting for Witches, Francis Hill mentions that Proctor publicly demanded the accusers be hanged for their deceit instead of the other way around. In Procter's case, he and his wife were first accused by their servant, Mary Warren.
Mary began to display fits of demonic possession in March sixteen ninety two. Salem Ghost City Tours wrote that Proctor beat Mary to correct her behavior, which of course led to a miraculous recovery. It seems like Mary was acting normally until Procter went on a business trip. While he was away, her strange symptoms returned, and she decided to join the trials. Naturally, other young girls in the village
immediately followed. Some accounts suggest that Abigail Williams joined in on those accusations because Proctor had been calling for her hanging, and she retaliated against him to divert attention from herself. According to the Assalem Witch Museum, Proctor would say publicly that he felt all of the accusers would come to their senses if they were thrashed. His words would come back to haunt him. Elizabeth was arrested on April tenth
and questioned on April eleventh, sixteen ninety two. By the end of Elizabeth's examination, John was also accused of witchcraft and arrested. Proctor's sons Benjamin and William, and daughter Sarah were also accused later in the year, as more and more people were named in the complaints leveled against them.
They are accused of sundry acts of witchcraft. Benjamin's complaint breaths that he is wanted on high suspicion of several acts of witchcraft against several people, whereby great hurt and damage hath been done to the bodies of said persons, and therefore create justice. The biggest reason that the accused were unable to successfully clear their names is that the religious hysteria of the time dictated that they were guilty in the court of public opinion as soon as they
were accused. Another reason is because the judges, likely acting on their own bias, allowed spectral evidence in the court proceedings. According to the Library of Congress, spectral evidence was testimony in which witnesses claimed that the accused appeared to them and did them harm in a dream or a vision. Contemporary witch lore held that witches could project themselves spiritually, either directly or with the aid of Satan, in order
to harm their victims from afar. The witches victims might then see a spectral image of the witch approached them. As an apparition, the specter of the witch could pinch, bite, or choke its victims, or otherwise harass them. While the witch remained in a remote location, its appearance might be that of the witch or of an animal acting asked the witches familiar. The court could then use the witnesses testimony of these events to support a conviction for witchcraft
in the majority of the allegations against them. More than two hundred people accused during the Salem witch hysteria. Accusers reported spectral evidence in their claims, so essentially, a nine year old kid could have a nightmare about a scary dog and an innocent person could be accused of using
black magic against them. According to the Library of Congress, the accusers called out in fright and spoke wildly during the questioning of the accused, as though they were witnessing spectral goings on that were invisible to other people in the courtroom. When John Proctor was being investigated for witchcraft,
his accusers submitted spectral evidence against him. Samuel Paris, again the father and uncle of the accusers, kept notes throughout the trials which are now called the Salem Witchcraft Papers and were transcribed by the University of Virginia. According to the testimony Paris recorded on April fourth, sixteen ninety two, Abigail Williams accused Proctor and his wife of harassing her
in the night. As Paris wrote, Abigail Williams complained of Goodman Proctor and cried out, what are you come to? You can pinch as well as your wife. At night she complained of Goodman Proctor again and beat upon her breast and cried he pinched her. In the courtroom, Abigail and Mary Warren repeatedly accused Proctor of appearing spectrally, including on the lap of the magistrate. Paris wrote that Abigail was seized with fits and had to pause her testimony.
At the same time, Mary was unresponsive. Paris described her as deaf and dumb, but still continuing her knitting when she came to. She agreed with Abigail that Proctor was appearing spectrally in the courtroom, and later claimed that she was being choked by him. It's also worth noting that at the time of the witch hysteria, Harris was wildly unpopular as the town's minister, a massive public scandal involving
accusations of the devil's work. A foot in the salem would have been a perfect an extremely convenient way to redirect the town's disapproval and reaffirm his position in the community, just saying, Both Procters were convicted in August sixteen ninety two. John was sentenced to death, but Elizabeth received a stay of execution because she was pregnant. John Procter was hanged
on August sixteenth, sixteen ninety two, at Gallows Hill. On the same day, Reverend George Burrows, Martha Carrier, George Jacobs, and John Willard were also executed. It's not known definitively what happened to Procter's remains, but historians suspect family members may have retrieved his body from Gallows Hill in the night. On the History of Massachusetts blog Rebecca Brooks speculates that his body was buried near where the present day John
Procter House stands. When the wife of Massachusetts Bay Colony Governor Phipps was accused of witchcraft, he issued a general order of dissolve the remaining one hundred and fifty three people who had been arrested or convicted of witchcraft. Elizabeth Proctor was exonerated in May sixteen ninety three. When all was said and done, nineteen people and bizarrely, two dogs accused of witchcraft had been executed. Elizabeth remarried in sixteen
ninety nine. After Procter's death, the land he at least went to another tenant, but two of John's sons fought to regain the land. Benjamin leased the land from a tenant, and in seventeen hundred Thorndyke Proctor purchased the farm outright. Rebecca Brooks suggests that the location of Procter's remains might have been a motivating factor in the family reclaiming the land. As she wrote, it makes one wonder why Proctor's sons went to such great lengths to occupy and buy the land.
Perhaps it was just a good investment, seeing that farm land was so valuable at the time, or maybe it was so the family could continue to farm the land and they had worked on for so long. It is also entirely possible, though, that the reason Thorndyke wanted the land was because Procter was in fact secretly buried somewhere on the Downing Farm, and Thorndyke wanted to keep that
secret gray from being discovered. Despite its name, the John Procter House was never actually lived in by John Procter. In fact, the house didn't even exist in his lifetime. A study by an archeological conservator dated construction to about seventeen twenty seven, thirty years after Procter was hanged, and records in the Peabody Historical Society confirmed that construction date. In Thorndyke Procter's accounting book, there are entries for a
significant amount of construction supplies. The only building still standing in Salem today that has any connections to the witch trials is the Jonathan Corwyn House today also called the Salem Witch House. Along with Judge John Hawthorne, Judge Corwyn presided over the trials, hearing the testimony of those leveling accusations at their fellow townsfolk, and the testimony of the accused who were desperate to clear their names and avoid
being put to death for supernatural crimes. Now the house is part of the Salem Witch Museum and is open for tours. The John Procter House remained in the Procter family for about one hundred and fifty years until it was sold to someone outside the family. After that, Rebecca Brooks wrote, the house changed owners only a number of times. In nineteen sixty eight, the Rapponi family purchased the home and owned it until Marion Rapponi died in twenty eighteen.
In December twenty eighteen, Barbara Bridgewater and her husband, Christopher Mendes of Huntington Beach, California, bought the house. Unlike other notorious and well known landmarks in Salem that are now open to the public, the Procter House is a private residence. It has been modified over the years. Now, the thirty nine hundred square foot house has two stories with six bedrooms,
seven fireplaces, a swimming pool, and only two bathrooms. Although you can't visit the house now, the owners are crowdsourcing enough funds to be able to open the Proctor House for tours. Barbara and her family don't spend as much time at the house as they want to because of the paranormal activity they report experiencing there. Unhaunted Salem Live Adam and I investigated the home with Chip Coffee and
Dana and Greg Newkirk. On the show, Barbara described some of the activities she's witnessed, saying, I've heard footsteps above and a piano playing which is downstairs, but it's just sitting there. They've also heard voices and seen shadows in the house. Her daughter, Katherine Mendez, has experienced recurring nosebleeds in the home and has even been pushed down the stairs. As she said, it's just kind of scary thinking that
there's something else that's in the house with us. During the investigation, we collected multiple EVPs, some unintelligible, but all clearly the voice of a gruff male. Dana, who often uses tarot cards as an investigative tool, repeatedly pulled the devil card, which could mean the literal devil, but also could indicate a person with bad intentions present. We sensed a menacing present and the name we kept coming back to was Giles Corey. Corey was the man executed during
the witch trials by being pressed to death. He refused to enter a plea In an attempt to coerce one out of him. Authorities tortured him by placing heavy stones on his prone body. They added more and more weight for three days until Corey eventually died. Some historic accounts have his last words as more weight in defiance of those who tortured him. Other accounts have Corey uttering a much darker final thought, damn you, I curse you and Salem.
Because that investigation was on a live television show, we couldn't investigate as thoroughly as we wanted, So Adam and I, along with Gregg, Dana, and Chip, went back the next year for an episode of Kindred Spirits. What happened seems unbelievable. Dana did another terror reading and again she kept pulling the devil card sooom. It indicated the presence of a dark entity in the house, but as we investigated, we couldn't make contact with anything that seemed to have ill intent.
Eventually we realized that it was generations of Procter's relatives who had lived in the house for more than a century we were contacting. They saw us come in with our tarot cards and our rituals and our investigative equipment, talking loudly about witchcraft, and what we realized astonished us. The spirits in the house, having lived with the burden of a legacy of witchcraft, accusations for their whole lives.
Were scared of us. They thought we were coming in and doing the devil's work, and they were protecting the home as best they could. Once we explained to them that we were there with good intentions and we're trying to help, the conversation completely changed, but that does not mean the activity has ceased. And so to talk more about that, I had to bring on my bff once again,
mister Adambury. He's been investigating the Procter House outside of television for quite a while and he's got some really interesting stories and theories to tell, So that's coming up after the break. It would not be a Proctor House chat if I did not bring on mister Adam Berry, who has spent a lot of time at the Proctor House investigating. I have been there for a lot of it, but he's also been investigating it on his own quite a bit, and not a lot of people get to
go in there and do those things. So welcome to the program, mister Barry, thank you, thank you. I'm a very lucky bird. I think it's to go in there and hang out with all these ghosts. It's funny because since we did the Proctor House. I have moved into a house that was built right around the same time as the Proctor House in seventeen thirty, and whenever I post photos or videos, people are always like, it looks like the Proctor House and I'm like, yes, except it's
not haunted, unfortunately, but it's got really history. It's funny because it does remind me a lot of the Proctor House, minus the ghost. I wish my house was haunted, but no Proctor House has it going on. So we've had some pretty wild experiences there over the years. Let's get right down to it. Most unnerving thing that has ever happened is, you know, when Dana Knew Kirk, who is helping us on those investigations, like it's doing her taro spread just to like, you know, we want to feel
the vibe. You and I are like up for a lot of different ideas, and he flips the devil card how many times? Like five times over the course of two investigations. Yes, and the crazy thing. So we investigated the Proctor House on live television like one does. Yes, it was the Haunted Salem Live special that Travel Channel did a few years back, and it was a really cool idea. So basically, the the concept was that we
were investigating the Proctor House. It was me Adam, Chip and Greg and Dana were there, and then there was the jail nearby, which I believe the Ghost brothers were in, and then Jack and Katrie, Jack Osborne and Katrina Wide Men they were in another location. I can't remember where they were exactly Rockefellers. Oh right, it's like a restaurant.
So we were all investigating simultaneously around Salem and it was a really cool special But what we did created a sigil on live television to kind of create like more activity. I think what was the sigil? What did it stand for? Like open a door? Yeah, this is a doorway. First and foremost, we fought for that location. When this idea came up and was pitched to us,
we were like, this sounds awesome. We love Salem. But they told us three locations and you and I both immediately were like, no, we have to do the Proctor House. Not only did it fit our vibe like it fits the Kindred Spirits vibe, but me personally, I think the history and that location and on that land is like way more interesting than you know an old restaurant right, so that out of the way, we knew that we
had to do something special. We got Greg and Data involved, and I think Greg said something like, you know, why don't we make a sigil that is a doorway to the other side, and we're gonna put it on live television.
We'll tell everybody to kind of focus and concentrate on this sigil and we will see what happens in the investigation because we only had what three hours three and a half hours to investigate on live television, so we needed something that would charge the environment immediately and be careful what you wish for, as they say, you know, seriously, I think we work a lot with the idea of intention and energy and kind of bringing things about, and
that was an ultimate experiment for us. We were like, this could go a couple of ways, and hopefully we're entertaining enough that if it doesn't work, we'll just keep people happy on live TV. But I think it did raise the activity in the house quite a bit, and also we had people complaining at home that the sigil was causing activity in their houses, Like, don't know that
that's ever happened before. People come to us all the time and they're like, I think somebody tweeted us the other day because our episodes are airing, and they were like, be careful watching these ghost shows. A ghost will come through your television and get you. And I was like, look, that's never happened. And then I was thinking, but on
live television, when there's an actual live investigation. There were I think there were about a million people online looking at that sigil at one point, and people were saying their lights were flickering, static was going off, weird feelings, had to like get out of their living room and come back. And I remember toward the end of that investigation, because we could hear the live feed from the truck,
like the producers talking and they were really adamant. They were like they were like, Okay, we're gonna film you guys closing the sigul, but we're gonna show it during the credits. And we were like no, no, no no, no, no, you have to show it live on TV. Everyone has to see that we've closed the sigil, that everything is fine, that you are fine, otherwise the world may explode. Yeah.
I remember like the host Dave Schrader was hosting, and they had they sent him like a last minute like script where they were like talk about closing the sigel, show them closing the sigel, Like to close it, we had to turn it upside down and then fun fact, Adam stole the sigil after that and took it home.
I think I had it for a while and then it just never made it back to Greg and Dana for a period of time, and I can't what's weird is I don't know if that was just like me being lazy, probably or if there was something about it that I was drawn to and I kind of wanted to keep it for a little bit because that thing is literally charged by millions of people and the intention
behind it. But it was good that I had it because when we went back to the Proctor House on our own to kind of figure out what was going on from our point of view, because we only had three hours on live television, and I know that Barbara, who owns the property, was adamant about getting us in there for a real investigation, and so we went back. I'm glad I had it because we were able to
utilize that sigil again on the second investigation. Yeah, so basically, once she kind of got to know us and saw how we investigated. She really wanted us to come back and give the Proctor House the full Kindred Spirits treatment, as they say, And so we did. And now I'll have you speak to this more just because I feel like you kind of are more familiar with the activity because you do go there like at least every six months.
At this point, Adam runs like private investigations there, So if anybody's interested, we'll find out about that at the end here. But just tell me, like, what kind of activity do you remember was she experiencing that made her think like, okay, we need to get Kindred involved here. It's the same sort of activity that she had talked about when we were there for four hours. But as you know, in a four hour investigation, we can only do so much. And the activity that we had was
rather intense. We thought at that point Giles Corey was there or his ghost was there, and he was manipulating the situation. He was lying to us, taking advantage, and I think, you know, Barbara really appreciated us getting those kind of answers. But when you're left with like that on the table, it's almost a bit more frightening because you're like, wait, there's this ghost in this house that's like being manipulative and mean, and so for her, she wanted us to come back and finish the job, and
so did we. I mean, I felt like we had unfinished business with that location. And so we all got back together and it was you, me, Greg, and Dana came again, and sure enough, we started with those tarot cards and she split that double card two more times, and we were very concerned about I mean, god, we were just concerned about the whole situation. And spoiler alert, obviously we're going to talk about the end of that investigation.
It turned out that the spirits there were concerned about what we were doing because what we are doing gave them the impression of witchcraft and the occults and things like using tarot cards, and they were just afraid that they were going to get caught again and be brought up to trial. I mean, it was it was literally this weird memory that they could not shake, and rightly so, and we were the problem, like you know, they were
not the problem. It was us. People ask us about tarot cards all the time, like why are you bringing tarot cards into investigations? And we obviously you and I will try anything at this point when it comes to investigating, Like, we really like to experiment. And you know, the idea behind tarot cards is that they are kind of a divination type tool and like some people look at them
as ways to provide insight into their lives. So maybe you're just trying to get a little guidance on an investigation, you know, why not bring a tarot reading into the mix. And so that's that's kind of what our intention was with that to begin with, and it just really resonated with that location in particular. So yeah, and I think what's interesting is, you know, we figured out what it was right and we had a heart to heart with
them and the act. By the end, the activity had changed because we let them know that it is a different year, is a different time period. We respect their boundaries, we understand where they're coming from. We obviously don't mean any harm, but they're safe. Like that was the key. I think, you know you're safe. And since going back there, like I I was there in October, So Salem in October is like so charged with all kinds of really wonderful things. And if you've never been to Salem in October.
You've got to get there, just because the feeling of the location is so powerful. And what's interesting is the first two nights, so we did a Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. The first two nights it was the same sort of activity. We were using the paranormal trip wires and we had our little lanterns out and there was so much activity and they understood what we were doing at that time.
They weren't afraid of us. And I actually have that Salem Witch Trials document from sixteen ninety four signed by Samuel Parris, who was the you know, the gentleman that kicked off the whole fury of the witches. And so I brought that book and I brought that document and what's interesting is they didn't care about it. They did not care for it. They did not react to it. We got we were getting activity, and then as soon as I brought that document out, it almost like stopped.
So maybe they did care and they were like, nope, they didn't want to touch it, they didn't want to interact with it. But on Sunday, the activity was a one eighty Sunday it was quieter, it seemed a little more peaceful. Less talkative, less activity with the lights, and I was like, this is so weird. I don't understand
why this is happening. And then I realized that it was the Sabbath, right, I was going to say, because it was Sunday, right, And so it's like they're they're occupied with other things and maybe you know they don't they don't have time to mess with us, lay this their day of rest, and so I thought that was really strange. But it seems now that you know they
are interacting, they do want to speak with us. I think a couple of times whatever was in the attic that we did not get to touch on, there's like this weird male energy in the attic. He started making himself known a bit more. And I don't think he's connected to the Procter family at all. I think he's, you know, somebody who existed at some point and just is a bit angry and aggressive. But he started coming
out of the woodworks. So you know, there's always there's things changing constantly there and I can't wait to go back, going back at the end of April of twenty twenty three, and then again probably in the fall. So I think that it's really easy to forget that. You know, the Proctor House has three hundred years of history to it
and so a lot of people have lived there. And then I also wonder too, and what I wonder what you think about this just kind of that they're not there all the time, Like, obviously the place is very secured, so please nobody go try to break in there or anything. But it's not their primary residence, so it's empty and like the ghosts kind of own it for a lot
of the time. So do you get the vibe that when you go in there and you do your investigations, do you feel like they are like, hey, we like being alone, or do you think they kind of welcome the interaction. I think it's a mixed bag. I think there is an entity. I forgot to mention it. We
didn't even go down into the second basement. So there's like that cellar area that we went to and investigate it, But then there's one that's right next to the main bathroom entrance that you sort of have to duck down and go under. There was something down there messing with everybody last time, and it was as if they enjoyed the idea that like, oh, look, I can do this.
The guy in the attic does not want anything to do with us, makes himself known in that way, meaning that like he's saying, you know, okay, you're here, but I'm not going to tell you anything. I don't want to talk to you. I don't anything to do with you. And then I think the family we speak to that
we've gone there. I think they are there and it is their house, and I don't necessarily believe that they're fully aware and active, but just like we did, we sort of conjured them into the space, you know, in a weird way. And I think they can be called to that house their energy or their their whatever that is. I think that they show up if they are asked to and if you ask them the right appropriate questions.
We just need to say this here and now because people say to us all the time the John Procter House isn't in Salem. We're very aware of that. It's in Peabody, right, Peabody, Or if you don't live in New England, that's Peabody. It's so much easier to say Salem because people know where Salem is. I know, and it's very steeped in Salem history. And so there are people who come at us all the time about that, and like we're very aware. We're just trying to make
it easier for you, dear listener. The connections are very big. Like, even though the Procter family lived as far as they did from Salem, they had to go into Salem for trial, Like they were connected to Salem no matter what. So even though it's been three hundred years and now it's Peabody and you know, things have changed in terms of like lines of cities, they still were extremely active in
Salem and they were tried and prosecuted in Sale. Right, thinking to like what are the most common occurrences there, Like if someone's investigating, like I kind of envisioned that one day the Proctor House might even turn into like some sort of museum or something. I don't know, but that's kind of what I think will happen eventually. But if someone's visiting the Procter House, either with you or privately, what kind of activity can they expect to experience there?
You're gonna get interaction. Spirits are going to interact with your equipment, but not as a as a circus trick, like you have to give them conversation. You have to spark conversation and give them something worth talking about. You have to know your history, you have to know you know who you're speaking to, because at this point, I think they are aware that we know that they are there. So if you go and saying, oh, what's your name, They're not going to answer you because you know it's
to them. They're like, you should know my name. I've talked too many times. So that's the kind of activity you're going to get. Now. The new activity is strange. In the attic and we were doing the STS method where you wear the blindfold, the and the headphones, and our friend Amanda was there and she literally was getting hit on by this creepy dude in the attic because I was listening to the headphones and I kept saying, I want to talk to you. I want you to
do it. And then I took my headphones down. I was like, who, who's asking the questions? And they were like Amanda, and I was like, Amanda here, and so she like she was like okay, and she puts on the headphones and sits there for a minute and then she was like, yep, creepy dude. Oh that's so funny. Oh my gosh, so creepy dude in the attic. Check yeah, check, creepy dude in the attic. And also he doesn't mind being creepy to everybody. It's an equal opportunity. Yeah, this
guy is an equal opportunist. I think he likes se mess with everybody. So the next time we go, when we get there in April, I think I'm going to focus a bit more in that attic space. We got a lot of activity down in the fireplace where you would just kind of sit and have a where you would commune. I guess that seemed to be a lot of the family, the families in the first floor and then the attic in the basement, people that really aren't
the original family are kind of hanging out there. I do remember having We got a lot of EVP there. We heard a disembodied voice at one point upstairs, and that was kind of when we first started investigating. Like what's interesting about that place is no one had really
investigated it until we got there. And I always I'm always so interested in kind of like what the vibe is in a location, like when you come in as kind of the first time investigators acknowledging these spirits versus like coming in to a place that's been investigated regularly, and it really does kind of dictate how you approach the investigation and how you communicate with the spirits there. So I think that's really useful information for people who
want to investigate. So if people do want to join you, you're going back in October, right, Yeah, We're going to do one other time closer to the spooky season. But if anybody wants any information, they can go to ghost hunt Salem dot com. I love those. I love that you do those. Those kind of intimate investigations. I think are really great because I think people I don't think
they realize how approachable we are. It's so funny because sometimes we do these big, major events and these conventions where there's like hundreds of people there, and those are so much fun, like yeah, strange escapes, strange escapes, like you cannot be a Strange Escapes party on a Friday night in a lecture is an investigation, it's like so
much fun. But when we get to do these more intimate moments, like there are twelve people at the Parker House with me and I'm going to be there with you the whole time and we're going to talk about ghosts. It's like it's it's a very unique experience. And the last time we were there the Peabody Police Department, they were like they kept being like, Okay, what are you doing? What's happening there? That called me to check in? And really I just think they wanted to like come and
like hang out. So people don't realize how often like law enforcement shows up at our investigations and it's never because we're doing anything wrong. Especially in some of these more sleepy towns. They're just like, so we heard you guys are looking for ghosts here, and they're just they're asking questions like they just wanted to. I've been pulled over before and it was all because they just wanted
to know how the investigation went. So I love that. Listen, if they're going to pull you over, they can have instant access to what has happened anyways. All right, So anything else on the horizon you want to tell people about. I mean, obviously watch Kindred Spirits on Discovery Plus and Travel Channel even if new episodes aren't airing. Just keep watching over and over again. Please do Yeah, please watch Gary Spirits. Come see us at Strange Escapes, Come see
us at another event. I know that you and I are working on a lot of really great projects. On the side, I have a book coming out in September that people can get excited about. I'll be posting, so follow me on the internet. All right, Well, thank you, mister Barry. It's been lovely as always. I miss you and we'll hang out soon. Yeah, thank you. Toxing the Propter House presents such a strange conundrum when it comes to paranormal cases. I don't truly feel like the spirits
in the house are wholly conscious beings. I think it's that bit of their energy and stress of what they endured that was so reactionary to our investigative methods. It makes you wonder how many hauntings aren't necessarily a person regretful or not ready to move on, but just energy awakened by something we did that was completely unintentional. It just lends more and more to the mystery of all things ghostly and another prime example of why I do
what I do. But it also makes me wonder how much energy we all put out there, and how much attention we should be paying to it. We have more power than we think, power that can apparently span centuries. I'm Amy Bruney and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is hosted and written by me Amy Bruney, with additional
research by Taylor Haggerdorn and Cassandra day Alba. This show is edited and produced by Rima l Kaali, with supervising producer Josh Thane and executive producers Aaron Manky, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. Haunted Road is a production of iHeartRadio, Grimm and Mild from Aaron Manke. Learn more about this show over at Grimm and Mild dot com, and for more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.