Dave Rossi Suppressed Science

We are live with this Hard Truths number three with Dave Rossi. The purpose hard Truths is to get to those hard trews that no one wants to believe, the science that we don't understand, and so we are trying to get to it down with the people that are the experts, the engineers and the physicists. Today I bring you Dave Rossi, Defense engineer, tech works with experiments and advanced propulsion. Dave, thank you for being here, Sir Ashton,

thank you so much for having me. It's an honor and a pleasure to be here. Yeah. So first of all, let's just dig in. What is your background, Dave? How did you get involved with defense contracting, advanced propulsion? Whatever you can tell us. I don't want to push too deep and you know, get you in any trouble, but whatever

you're free to tell us, go ahead, no problem. Long story short, I started a podcast, which led me about two years into doing that podcast, maybe a year and a half into wanting to essentially not so much study and analyze information and data as much as I loved it, but said to myself, why not try and build something and more of an intuitive sort of notion and so ended up assembling a couple of things that got the attention

of some interesting people out of the United States in particular. It probably didn't help at where I was at the time was relatively close to a military base that was in Canada because I'm from Toronto, Canada, but got the attention of some individuals presented to various individuals at the DoD. This is a couple

of years ago at this point. From there, moved into establishing my own company that does consulting and contracting for basically the I guess you could say some of the more alternative or fringe physics that mainstream science would like to call it as such, but in my opinion is physics that's sort of been hidden in plain sight, if you will, for quite some time that I think people should understand and grasp more and more because it's really creating a cognitive dissonance in

my opinion, with respects to what people see on their phones and what they see in person, and the topics of debate in that angle have really swayed from what the science has been able to do from my experiments and experience, whether it's in the laboratory theoretically, but of course, experimentally would be the

most important thing. And so when I saw, for example, the MH three seventy footage, I said to myself, I know there's a lot of people out there saying it's not legitimate or what have you, but I'm of the opinion that it very well is legitimate based on experiments that I've conducted on

much smaller scales. And so I kind of have one foot in the defense contracting area on a sort of small to middle level, and then one foot out in the public because I think that there needs to be a way to get this knowledge out there without to a degree, without I guess you could say, permitting people to understand how to build these things and then weaponize them, but perhaps gain an understanding to realize that there's a responsibility we have if

we're going to be discussing these types of technologies and the consequences they have.

So long story short, it made some various presentations to some individuals that DoD was sort of thrown around to some different departments of it, and then from there decided that I didn't want to be an employee but rather a contract or consultant, and so from there I've been gracious enough to work on certain projects that again sound extremely out there, but we see if we look at the literature, for example, science fact has outstripped science fiction for quite some time.

It just becomes quote unquote unbelievable when it translates from a physics paper to an experiment in the laboratory. But that's sort of the general abstract background story of how I got into all of this. I don't have any actual degrees. I'm self taught, and I think that's perhaps in the humblest way I could say, is perhaps what impressed some of these dood individuals the most.

And then from there I tend to have a knack for it. Still work very hard, but at the same time, I want to try and bring some of this understanding and knowledge out to the public in a simplistic fashion so it becomes very easy to understand, which is hopefully something we can do here today. We can sort of jump between the complex elements of it and translate that into a simple understanding for the not so scientific individuals. Yeah, the

people like me. So I guess what I got out of that is your Canadian and we'll give you as not just kidding, yes, yeah, no, I love all our Canadian brothers and sisters out there, but no, I think the real important part there is that you actually work on the experimental

side. You know. The biggest thing that I heard is that you've done experiments that led you to when you looked at the videos, thought oh wow, you know, this could be consistent with some of the work that I've done, which is really what I'm hoping we can dig into a lot today in terms of going through the science aspect. And I know you're super smart, much smarter than I am, especially when it comes to the science aspects here, So you know, any of that stuff you want to name drop

the you know, scientific papers and physicists, et cetera. For our academic academics who are following, that's great, and then for our layman you know, we can kind of talk about some analogies about you know, what this really means on the surface level, because I think the big takeaway that you just mentioned there is the advanced scientific concepts that people think are fantastical, but the reality is we are just we are on the verge of changing the world.

And you know, I think that's some of the experiments that I've seen that you've shown me will help prove that. So let's jump right into it, sir, Where do you want to begin in terms of which scientific aspect would you like to dig into first? Sure, well, there's a few different things that we can start with. One of the things that I would like to say if I could, is that sure the audience in general is

we want let's start with some simple concepts. We want to realize that a lot of these effects that we're seeing, whether it's out of the MH three seventy video or whether it's out of you know, a UAP or you know, even paranormal experiences, a lot of this has to do with the notion of curving space time, essentially not viewing things as a straight line, but rather as a curve. Now, what becomes very interesting there is that this

was discovered. And I'm not claiming that anything that I had developed was actually a novel discovery. I would dare to say was a rediscovery. I know there have been many individuals before me, even before my time, that discovered

the same things and were suppressed unfortunately. But we want to focus on the notion of curving space time, and that the idea of creating either a curve and space time, or creating an X, if you will, whether it's using light or whether it's using electromagnetism, begins to detect and transmit and also emit some very interesting phenomena. Now, a practical example of this curving of space time, if you will, has to do with the utilization of for

example, LIGO, the laser Interfrometry Gravitational Observatory. We see that through the intersection at the point at where the lasers intersect, it's been claimed we can detect gravity waves. Now what's interesting is that we see the notion of intersection is very similar to sort of a stacked books example, and that is that

we have one laser beam and then we have another beam that interferes. But that second beam, we can argue, is in a sort of super position type we could say setup that is over top the first beam, which gives a hint perhaps that a lot of these effects that we see, whether it's through the ORBS the on flight three seventy or through other UAP and paranormal phenomena,

these effects may be of what we call in science second order. So in other words, one must meet certain conditions electromagnetically for example, to then give birth to this second effect. Now, giving birth to this second effect is what has been privately referred to as something called phase conjugation. Essentially, that's a fancy way for saying that the particles make love instead of fight. If the particles fight or clash, they create what we have known for decades

to be called explosions. But if at the plank level, use things, for example, like interferometers, or using things like superconductors or even as mister Paieza said, room temperature superconductors, if these particles can actually entangle or hug themselves, if you will, what happens is once they do that, and I'm using my hands to give hopefully a visual end, what happens is they start to become self assembling, and they essentially start to curve into each other

in a torroidal fashion. Now, on the theoretical side, we know that Einstein's theory of general relativity permits for the curving of space time and essentially permits for torsion, and it's in there, but it's been vastly dismissed for a number of reasons. We can dare I say, we can say this has been the case for diabolical reasons. Point being is that there are certain concepts

that exist within particle physics that don't exist within electrical engineering. And this ultimately has to do with the fact that certain institutions like the National Science Foundation and other groups pass down these models to these new smart students who are very smart, yes, but they're not going to be questioning the status quo, and they're definitely not going to be questioning the current models that are given to them. Now, these models that are given assume a flat space time, not

a curved one. So this is why, for example, when we see for example, ISS footage that sees that has speculatively seen craft that seem to have a sort of concave bubble around them, that makes perfect sense because from my experiments and others, what you'll find is that the laboratory observer, if he is not within that curved space time at best, even if he's say five feet away from that experiment at best, he is going to see the

flat intersection of that phenomena. He's not going to see that phenomena in curved space time. And in order to see it in curved space time on for my science friends, we need to assume a three of three spatial dimensions and

one time dimension in a Lagrangian form. For those that may be interested in understanding the real theoretical side, we then use what's called Stokes theorem to induce contour integrals to then essentially create a second order effect that can actually go all the way up to twelve space with twelve spatial dimensions in one time dimension.

These theoretical concepts, whether it's Landau and left Shits, whether it's Myran Evans, whether it's Terry Barrett, whether it's Tom Beard, and whether it's to a certain degree doctor hal Pudoff, whether it's Salpayez is super force, these are all, in my opinion, saying essentially the same things, which are that when you include torsion and the curving of space time, you can get the effects that we've seen, for example, in a vortex like manner,

very much akin to the MH three seventy footage. Now, what's very interesting about all of this is that this gives rise to something that many university students should know about, particularly in optical physics, which is something called SPDC stimulated parametric down conversion, and it's also been called second harmonic generation as well as

SPUC stimulated parametric upconversion. What this is essentially doing is it's taking the curvature of space time right using the magnetic a field, the magnetic vector potential, which is a fancy way for saying basically the empty space empty space quote unquote of the vacuum or ether that the magnetic flux has allowed for you to have. And then it is combining that with a dielectric curvature. Essentially that then creates what's called a gradient, which allows for a second effect to occur.

Now, what is that effect? The second effect that occurs after electro magnetism and light met a certain condition is sound. Sound is what we now call phonons with an N. Instead of photons for lights, we have phonons with an N. Now what we're seeing is we're seeing that same concept with the laser being sort of being one and beam two, except now these are not beams in this case. We're doing phase conjugation, second harmonic generation using in

this particular case, electromagnetism in light. So after the sound concept or the sound particle is reached, the question becomes what comes after that. Now it's very interesting because publicly. Phonons have a are a spin zero particle. In my opinion, they should rather be a spin one point five or a spin two because they give rise to the effects that we see in for example,

the MH three seventy video. With that said, if I could just sort of wrap this up, the we in terms of us humans on the surface level, whether it's with our cameras or with our detectors or what have you, we can only collect as good of the data as the detectors that we

deploy and emit in certain these instances. So when we see the sudden disappearance of this plane craft, for example, with these orbs creating a vortex light which seems to be dare I say, wormhole effect depositing energy at a particular point, the camera is only going to pick up the flat effect of that, because the camera by definition does not know how to render something that is topologically stable in a higher dimension literally, and so that is what will also

create the effect of things that begin to pixelate, for example, certain whether it's software editors or cameras and so on. Because when one can bend a gravitational wave using these second order effects, you begin to bend light as well, and we notice that light and gravity tend to be very very close to one another, and so if you can bend the light using either refractive or

diffractive properties, you cannot just make yourself invisible. You can then induce a state that has an anti photon path, meaning essentially the negantropic version of what

we normally see as linear time. Negantropic means time reversed. And we know through for example, out of los Alamos, Hosburg and Visser prove that the throat of a wormhole is all one needs to both make and understand and engineer such a traversible effect or a wormhole itself, because when you tap that zero point, you tap essentially the oscillation or the ziturbuagung of the local particles, and those local particles if certain conditions are met where external interactions of those particles

make love or entangle with that zero point, which could be anywhere in space time that you pick literally, you can begin to induce the effects that we've seen both in the video and otherwise. And we know, for example that if we look in the literature with respects to vortex dynamics or vortex is are seen in superfluids and superconductors. The literature is there. All one has to

do is essentially scale that up in their mind. Now, to wrap this up, I'll say, I'm not asking for anyone to blindly believe me, but listen to what I'm saying and do your research. You'll find that these vortex is tend to appear over and over and tend to give rise to a lot of what we're seeing, whether it's in the three seventy videos or otherwise, and those effects will create what's called a lens thirring frame dragging effect the

same way. For example, that if you take your mouse on a very old computer, you pick up an icon on your home screen and you drag it across the screen really quick, you sort of see that delay of the mouse kind of going back and forth. That would be the same type of effect that we would see when space time is curved, just for a simple curving of space time instead of thinking of space time as being linear and straight. So yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Man. I have a couple

follow up questions on some of those perments. So first, I guess I want to talk a little bit about ligo because I've heard LEGO get talked about a lot. Can you elaborate on exactly experiments, because my understanding is that LIGO experiments I've had to do with looking at neutron stars and detecting gravitational waves

coming from neutron stars that are enacting with one another. You know what, more can you teach us about the impacts of what the LEGO experiments have done and what they are Sure well not to be a conspiracy theorist, if you will, but I think that there's a lot that LIGO has not revealed when it comes to detecting gravitational waves and detecting various other things even within our own atmosphere, let alone within you know, neutron stars and all that kind of

stuff. And the reason I say that is because we find that all of our telescopes today have convex lenses rather than concave ones. And so it's of my opinion that when LIGO, whether they publicly state this or not, is a different conversation, but it is of my opinion they are seeing far more than they they led on. In addition to I do believe that LIGO, if they if they shifted their detectors to looking for high frequency interference events.

They would see basickly craft all over the place. And the reason being is because the second and we know this from a basic double a dual slit experiment you can do with a laser beam and get a guitar string to split the beam and deploy some I believe Chris Leito did it a year or two ago, deploy some mist. If you will on the beam in a dark room, you'll begin to see literally the waves or the flux of the vacuum or

quantum vacuum or ether begin to occur. Now, if you apply that to a multimillion dollar tool like Ligo, I think what will begin to happen is you will begin to see a lot of gravitational waves, not necessarily perhaps as a fundamental energy, but as an emerging energy from the curving of space time.

And that curve essentially deals with the way again, when you create an X with a laser beam, the more beams you intersect, Say you have one beam, and in two, say you have a third one, and then a fourth one, and then a fifth one, and it keeps stacking. In that regard, not only does that subscribe to superposition and topology, but what you begin to do is you begin to create a conducious like curve that acts as a sort of transducer that can both in this particular case,

detect gravitational waves. And I think that through that we can find on the high frequency side, quite a bit of perhaps what our own military is doing, as well as maybe others as well, because those gravitational waves would have to be how can you say, longitudinally locked in with various craft for those craft to operate, which would explain why, for example, during cases of EMPs or we see for example, ultra wide band radar tests being done,

and craft get close to those fields, they begin to crash because of the

fact that the gravitational coherence has been completely dismantled. Because these radar detectors or these devices that are being deployed and tested in these ranges, these nuclear facilities or in this general area essentially untangles or how can I say unkings, basically the energy that would be encompassing both the warp drive or the warp bubble around the craft as well as any other effects that it could be doing outside or

inside the craft as well. That's really interesting because I think that from the ufiology perspective. There's this big argument that the people that are against us say, as well, if these craft are so advanced, how are they crashing? Right, shouldn't they be invincible? And I always thought, well, just because you build something for specific purpose doesn't mean it's impenetrable from all other

effects. Well, I think mistakes and stuff. But right I think as well, if I could say very quickly, we have to look we have to look at the planet as well. With respects to the Tesla technology, we must, in my opinion, look at the planet as one big capacitor.

And if we follow the notion of us being, for example, organic particle accelerators or organic electromagnetic beings, it gives substantiation to when one goes outside and grounds themselves, and you know, bare feet, they tend to find they feel more energy and whatnot tend to come to them, or anything of this nature. And even as we see, for example, in basical electrical engineering, we know that grounding rods are needed because if not, the electricity

begins to arc. Arc means it begins to curve. So that is already nature giving us a hint naturally that space time or the quantum vacuum wants to curve instead of actually behave in a linear fashion. Now, if I can give one example for those in the audience that may be interested in more of the liquid chemistry side, Say we take a hydroxide and we take an acid in the laboratory, we put it in a petri dish or what have you, and we neutralize the two. And what normally happens is we expect to

get heat or what's called an exothermic reaction from this neutralization. But what happens if you neutralize the two and you don't get any heat, there's no exothermic reaction. What that is indicating is that there is an effect going on that is surpassing the current flat theoretical space time model and interpretation that is giving rise to torsion longitudinally, not with the x why axis on a Cartesian plane,

but with a Z or z axis that gives depth. Now, and so what that tells us is that there is a particular set of properties within that specific hydroxide and acid that stabilizes disequilibrium, so it prevents an exothermic reaction.

And what I mean by that essentially is a visual would be pac Man's mouth basically all the devices that we use, all of the things that were taught in mainstream physics and even in general has assumed that, for example, pac Man has a closed mouth, meaning that if you put energy inside of pac Man, there's only so much you could put in because it's in a closed system. Now, if pac Man's mouth opens up, is it possible to use the local vacuum as the actual engine itself, and that is what gives

rise to these second order effects? It's in dare I say fractal? I don't think it's that far off from people who have had, you know, psychedelic experiences where they say they're always seeing spirals and fractals of spirals and so on, would say there's certainly something there in my opinion, So yeah, that's that's really closely aligned with our last podcast guest, which is Bob Greenier and his theory of you know, fractal troidal moments, right, and chloroids

as well. It's like it seems like everything comes back to toroids. Can you explain why that shape is so important? Is it just due to curvature? Is that with you know, what gets created from curvature naturally or is there sure it seems as though one thing I'll tell you is that the more I experiment and the more I I do my research, even the private research,

especially, the more I realize I don't know anything about anything. Just to be clear and to me that that speaks to me philosophically, as in the joy is in the journey. But it seems as though that there is a strong indication that there is within this structure of our reality, putting the electromagnetic basis or pillars of it aside. From a geometric standpoint, it seems as though these toroids and toroidal geometries tend to comprise everything that exists in one

form or another. That doesn't mean that we always see them as torroidal, but we see, for example, that curves and spirals are quite common within, for example, the way that nature is self assembling, or the way

that nature manifests, and so on and so forth. We found as well that it's been shown in the absence of electro electric and magnetic fields in a laboratory experiment in a closed off room, in the absence of E and B fields, you still have torroidal geometries that are resonating there that occur which implies that this quantum vacuum or this ether has a very strong resonance to it that may in fact have a dare I say, a resonant memory that can store

memory in that regard, So when we look at all of these different angles, it comes down to the fact that the universe slash reality that we are in tends to really like the vortex torroidal geometry of this reality at the core of it. I couldn't tell you why, the same way that I must quote mister Fireman when he said that if you look at energy or force, we ultimately we don't after a certain point, we don't know what things are.

We don't have an adequate definition of force. There's no definition of what energy ultimately is. And so that's when I think it turns into more of a philosophical metaphysical debate rather than a physical one or a physics debate. But I think that's sort of the beauty of all of this, the merging of these two material and non material world of the very large and very small come to integrate. In that sense. Hopefully I answered the question, but ultimately

I couldn't tell you other than what I'm familiar with. Experimentally, which is that nature in reality seems to be torroidal even in the absence of major components like electricity and magnetism. Yeah. So I think one other thing you mentioned too is the pac Man analogy, which I thought was really interesting because to me, when I'm thinking about that, I'm thinking, is this a capabilit of free energy being kind of sucked out of the vacuum state of the universe?

Right? And I think that's something that I had seen on some science shows some years back as well, which I was very interested. That space isn't empty. There's stuff going on there in space. So is that what you were kind of digging at that that could be theoretically possible? One percent?

I think it's more than theoretical. As a matter of fact, I know it's engineer It's possible in an engineering sense to the point where we can make a strong argument that the devices or the craft or the things that we build, regardless of what they are, whether it's metallic orbs or something else, whether it's the coming from us or others, if you will, ultimately these devices, whether they're for generating over unity, meaning you get more energy

coming out than what you put into a device, or for generating lift and propulsion in an instant inertia like sense, or the notion of defying gravity and all of that. I think at the end of the day, no matter which way you slice it, you're going to have an effect that will How can I put this, utilize these devices as sort of, let me think, uh, sort of facilitators of the energy that's already been all around us. Yeah, if that makes sense. So we're we're sort of shaping what

nature is shaping to what nature is trying to tell us. Yeah, that's awesome so to speak. Yeah, and uh, not to rewind too much, but I thought there's an analogy that I wanted to bring up when you were talking about the radars that were you know, I'm just going to say, I probably interfering with UAPs or other craft that are out there that are floating freely. The analogy that I think of there is, uh, because I like the Marvel movies is like the or actually maybe it's not Marvel,

but Venom. When Venom and the he gets hip, I soonic attack, right, that's his weakness that makes the like get you know, it's it's like it's weakness, right, or it's like it's kryptonite if you want to think about from Superman analogy, would that be accurate in terms of what you think the interaction there is with the radars that we don't need a weapon, it's with just the radar and manipulating the electromagnetic fields can destabilize the propulsion of

some of these craft. Is that what you're just hypothetically thinking there this to a strong degree, yes. And this is where as a matter of fact, I must give the credit to Eric Weinstein, because this with respects to what I'm about to say in particular, I don't agree with mister Weinstein in a lot of areas, but in this area I do, which is that

this is a form of understanding science more than technology. There's a difference, and I appreciated when mister Weinstein said that quite some time ago in his conversation with doctor Pudoff, which is where he said, I wouldn't be thinking about new technology, but a new understanding of science, basically doing to Einstein what Einstein did to Newton in terms of finding a more fundamental way of understanding the

universe and therefore allowing for vacuum extraction and such to occur, and I believe that that is definitely what is happening. Yeah, yeah, I think what's happening as well, for a very simple description is we're essentially we're seeing this Basically, if I showed you a this water bottle and I said, and I covered the bottom half of it, and I said, Ashton, you only see the top half. And then you go, Dave, what are

you talking about. You just covered the bottom half. And then I go, no, no, I didn't, No, I didn't, and then I start calling you names and attacking. That's basically what's happening in the scientific community. There is a refusal to acknowledge this other half of I'm not kidding, whether it's in chemistry, whether it's in particle physics, condensed matter physics except for at the classified levels, or at the uh, you know,

at the levels of the military industrial complex on the contractor side. But yeah, it's unfortunate to see that that some have tried to put a sort of intellectual property label on science that should be discoverable for all, and so it's kind of it's kind of unfortunate in that sense. But that's one of the reasons that I'm speaking with you today as well. So, yeah, two things I want to get in myselfbox real quick is that I always evaluate people

based on the things that they say. You know, I think then what you brought up today is that you know, you don't have the formal training and schooling and what have you, but you taught yourself right, and the things that you're saying, we don't have to believe what you're saying. We can verify them. You know. That's something that I say myself and my own investigation, which I think lends a huge amount of credibility to your statements,

is that people will go ahead. I appreciate that because the it's it, I will say, it's not an easy thing to do. But if one looks at the academic literature from the late eighteen hundreds up until today, if one knows what to pick out and what to find in terms of where to look with regards to this angle of science being suppressed, it is there. The effects are also being hidden in sort of code words that in terms

of modern publications, the effects are there and they do exist. That's one of the things that's also frustrated me quite avidly, which is that people quite often say, well, where's the proof I want to see peer reviewed literature. It's been there. It's been there for decades, except we need to

realize that these people manipulate words. These institutions publish papers in a certain you know, the same way for example, that if the same way that you would label something with, for example, talking about instead of the word oil, we can say hydrocarbons. It means the same thing, but perceptually it doesn't interest people, and so therefore they never look at it. But it

is there. So that's part of the reason why I do this podcast is that so much of science of what I realized as a matter of you know, using the right words, a matter of names dropped or slipping my mind. But what I was going to get at as well, is that a lot of what you're doing, you know, I think that scientists have this idea, or academics i'll call them, not necessarily science of cutting each other down, saying no, that can't be possible, as can't be possible.

Science as a matter of building on each other's work, adding to it. Right. It's not usually that someone was wrong, it is that that didn't have an interpret Our interpretations advance our understanding advances. Right. It's not that Einstein was wrong is I think he's one of the greatest minds ever in the history of the world. It's just that he ran out of time, right. If he had had infinite time, his own understanding probably would have advanced

as well. There's speculation behind there's speculation behind the scenes, the rumors that have gone around for decades that he in fact realized where he went wrong at a classified level, and or he died had known yeah, where he looked at Maxwell's heavy Sides interpretation of Maxwell's equations and said, holy shit, I've been wrong. There's some some documents behind the scenes that do substantiate that.

But that that gives rise to what mister Payez said that I cannot emphasize enough, which is it makes one wonder how long has this been known for? And this we can argue goes all the way back to the late eighteen eighty basically, if I could say very quickly to give context to more of the scientific side of the audience. Essentially, what happened was that heavy Side's interpretation of Maxwell's quaternions found an analogy between electromagnetism and gravity, a direct connection between

the two. Now, it's been largely rumored that heavy Side in fact screwed up these equations, when it's quite to the contrary. Essentially what's been what's been What happened was that there was a sort of an interpretation made by Pointing as we know named after the Pointing vector these days, as well as heavy Side, And what essentially happened there was that heavy Side found this incredible topological

effect in theory that the great Heinrich Lorenz also noticed as well. He understood both angles of these different gentlemen's perspective in terms of interpreting Maxwell's quaternions vents, basically said, at the time, my god, there's far more energy coming out of the generator than what we're putting into the shaft of a certain circuit, for example. He didn't know how to explain it because at the time

you would have been violently attacked as being a perpetual motion nut. So what he did was he spoke about it in vectored angles, and he said, the energy, this outpouring of energy that has far more coming out than what we're putting in, has no physical significance. That's basically like saying that you got a big boat on your water, and you got all this wind going around you, but the wind doesn't touch your boat. Now, what if you found a way to take that wind and bring it to your boat so

it could push your boat. But instead someone on the boat goes, no, no, no, it's not touching our boat, so it can never be done. Forget it. That's basically what happened, and then it later on got the equations and all of that got classified. We see, for example, even in the nineteen eighties under the setup of the Direct Energy Weapons SDI Strategic Defense Initiative under Reagan with Norad Edward Teller went on a show. I forgot the name of the show, not Dick Corvett, he went on,

and I forgot the guy's name, Shoots. But anyways, point being was that it was more of a show that had more intellectual discussion, and even mister Edward Teller talked about how even in the eighties, those that were not privy or given access to the classified equations that proved that these direct energy weapons could be possible thought it was nonsense until they a lot of these professors were brought in and briefed on it, and Teller said he felt even in

the eighties that there was far too much secrecy being driven to classification in North America, he said at the time, which he was right. He goes, the Soviets have access to this literature openly, and in North America were classifying it. So it's been there. But I mean, I can, yeah, give no I can give example after examples. But I love it all the knowledge, honestly, and I think the chat as well, and

everybody who's listening in as well as enjoying it. I think that the word I was looking for earlier is the syntax, right, is that the syntax that we use is so important in science and it also develops over time. You know, as part of the case that I've been doing, I've been developing my syntax. We moved away from like black hole wormhole, and now we're talking about macroscopic phase conjugation and potentially the unification of quantum and macro,

which I want to discuss with you here in a moment as well. I think that the one thing I wanted to ask before that, though, is when you talked about the I don't know if it was the photons or the waves, the particles making love and not war. Are we talking about the same concept as Bose Einstein content state there where we are moving ferm as to bosons or is that something different? Actually, well, very good question,

I appreciate it. Bose Einstein condensates give rise to those effects. Bose Einstein condensates create the appropriate environment for those effects to occur for the second order entanglement, and past that third order, fourth order all the way up to twelfth order effects to occur. But second order effects already induce what you've seen in the three seventy video for example. So let's just stick to second effect order effects for now. But yeah, yeah, So just hypothetically, though,

what is above those order effects? Like, how would we how would you describe that or give an analogy to what that is? Because I mean, if second order effects is what we're seeing that Mastree seventy videos, we're already talking about magic in my opinion, right, So well, this is where again it becomes indiscernible, and so this is why we start to get into

I don't even know how to describe it. So a basic example of just a second order effect would not just be the three seventy video, but for example, say I'll give an example for the females in the audience where imagine your purse. You go out for a dinner with some friends and you say,

oh, my gosh, I forgot my phone at home. Instead of driving all the way back home, imagine unzipping your purse and opening it and seeing a part of your room there, reaching your hand through the purse, and then your hand it actually comes out the other end in your room, and then you grab your phone from your desk and you bring it back up.

That's a second order effect. When we get into anything past that, you start getting into I'm hesitant to say this, so I say this very carefully speculatively, but you start to get into some things that are seen like in the Doctor Strange movies when you see the dimensional fractals and all that kind

of stuff operate, and it becomes very very interesting. Now, if you took any of that, and you took your phone and you filmed it while you're in the lab, basically your phone unless you were actually no even if you were inside it, because the lenses convex that you would essentially your phone would get blurred like crazy. You would be zooming in and out of focus.

It wouldn't start going haywire basically because there's this again. If we go back to dragging that mouse across your screen, seeing the drag effect, that's basically what's happening in the laboratory in the vicinity of the phase conjugation occurring. Interesting, Yeah, I think maybe along those same lines of it. If it's not, you know, correct me is that when you talked about the

laser beams kind of converging on a point. The thing that confuses me about that is that photons are bosons, right, so they can stack on each other on the same point. So that's the case. Why when we shoot lasers at each other do they not just stack up? Or are you saying they do stack up? But why are they then causing this additional order effect to occur? You know, why they curving or forming that conducius or whatever it was that you were mentioning before or sure this yeah, sure, no

problem. So ideally this isn't as simple as just taking two lasers and intersecting

them. To be clear, this has to do with inducing this effect at the plank scale at first, which is why, in my opinion, mister Payez emphasizes superconductors quite often, because we know, for example, that certain types of parametric oscillators, certain types of UV lasers mixed with superconductive properties can access this plank or if even putting superconductors aside, making these lasers interact inside of a Boze Einstein condensate first allows the plank scale to lock in with the

field interaction, if you will. From there, what happens is there is this and this coducious like effect as well, is reminiscent not just within our DNA, but dare I say, within the overall nature of the torroidal reality that we're in. So this coducious effect is something else as well that I will say is by definition not something I can explain as to why it's there, except for the fact that it is part of the torroidal curving of space

time in general. That seems to again explain quite a bit of the quote unquote uncomplete or incomplete theories publicly. But it's dare I say, it's so eloquently simple that it's been dismissed and it's been right under our noses the whole time, having to do with essentially the square root of electric permittivity and magnetic

permeability. But as to why that coducious forms as per your question, I can't necessarily say other than the fact that when we think about curving space time and then we curve it to another second order, we're going to see those curves start to essentially assimilate and self assemble when oscillated as well. But they must lock in at the plank level first. So this is not as simple as just taking two laser beams and make like you know, from Amazon Walmart

and just making them intersect. I wish it was that simple. It's not that simple ultimately, but although in fairness, there have been quite a few people that have. For example, I have a Patreon from when I start had the show, and there are some people on there, for example, that are getting some very interesting effects without having to lock in at the plank

scale. So two follow up questions from that, Well, first one, I guess is how do we define the plant scale, So just for people like show and people who are less versed in the academic side of it, like when we're talking about planet scale, we're talking about just very small small scales sizes or what are we talking about the smallest, the smallest form of

observable and measurable matter, physical matter that we know of. Now, what I'm going to say here is probably going to be very controversial, but it has been confirmed many decades ago behind the scenes in a private regard, that the smallest forms of matter are cubes in nature, which is why one can make a strong argument that the force of anti gravity is proportional to the square

root of the electric permativity. And if it's something that simple, you can then begin to engineer things like what you see in mister Piez's patents, which you could see why it would angor other groups or factions that don't want this to come out because it shows in certain ways how simple the engineering approaches. And so the idea is that the smallest forms of matter at plank or at

the plank scale are cubic or cubes in nature. Now, if you can somehow manipulate that matter to rise up those to make those cubes rise up and begin to revolve around an orbit or an axis, that you've created those cubes. Again, what happens is they start to go from having corners and angles to surpassing the Shwinger limit, as Piez has talked about. They begin to curve and those cubes begin to self assemble longitudinally and they form that helix that

or that caducious that we've been talking about. And again this is very prominent and reminiscent within the three seventy video. We see of again a caducious like vortex being formed around the craft before the effect occurs, as well as we see. You know, people have talked about having experiences while you know,

with paranormal entities or you know, on psychedelics, et cetera. And I'm gonna say something here that some people may either go, oh, my gosh, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, or they'll go, my gosh, this makes sense. Hopefully they'll go with the latter. But a lot of people claim to have experiences, whether it's paranormal or what have you, and they see beings or what they think are you know, deceased relatives

or something like this with the corner of their eye. Photons in this reality are the only particles humans can see the full spectrum of. Now, what happens is, as we've been talking about, when you curve space time, you begin to get these effects. We notice as well that if our eyes are like miniature movie projectors. The corner of our eyes may in fact be

able to reveal more than looking straight at something. We know there's some feasibility here because when you go into a dark room it's actually and you turn the lights off very quickly, the corner of your eyes begin to adapt to what you can see much more rapidly than the center. And so this goes back to the notion of again optics bending gravity therefore bends light, and so on

and so forth. So which explains as well why people, for example, say, oh, my gosh, I saw a craft in the sky very clearly, but then when I filmed it with my phone it looked like a blurry sort of pixelation going on. It's possible we have concave like properties within the lenses of our eyes that our cameras do not, which is why we see things more clearly, and then the cameras themselves continue to pixelate in a

frame dragging type effect. Yeah, so it's not even just a matter of what the resolution is, just a matter of like there we have different capabilities that what we're seeing with we would need correct I would say, and I'll be very open and blunt about this, I would say that in order to for example, detect or pick up some I'm oversimplifying. So but if this

does end up working, someone please let me know. But if you took two concave lenses and you overlap them, that interference zone in the center there is where you should be able to get more of a clear view of the craft if you and we know, for example, that concave lenses are what is are inside of the James Web telescope. Which is interesting because again, the only other telescope that had a concave lens to my knowledge in the past

many decades was the mister James Santilly. The Santilly telescope. That was called nonsense and he was claiming to see craft and certain being energetic beings in the sky with his concave lens telescope. So that general work is nonsense. But for some reason, when James Webb has a concave lens, it's fine. Yeah, So those are show there's gatekeepers everywhere, especially in academics and experts community. Right, And I'm not taking a job And just be clear,

I'm not taking a job at AVI Low or anybody. I'm just saying it's pretty ironic when you look at the the same way that there are many scientists right now, so many of which I know personally that are saying certain things are not possible publicly and then privately working on the things that you would think are magic. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all. Yeah, going back to the double helix again, you know, it starts to make me

think about DNA right where. It does feel like we see these patterns everywhere. You see it in biology, you are seeing in physics, engineering, Like That's what to me gives it even more credit is that there does seem to be this underlying factor of curvature and everything about our reality one hundred percent.

If you search up, for example, even on Google a quantum curve space time, you'll now begin to find articles that say, mister, you know I'm paraphrasing, but mysterious phenomena shown when spacetime is see it's a slow drip feed of what has already been known and worked on and engineered and dare I say, perfected to varying degrees for many decades now. So here's another topic which if you feel uncomfortable talking about, feel free to stop me.

But superconductivity brought up superconductivity. I think that the chat would like to know, and I would like to know as well, is you know, we've

seen LK ninety nine in the past few months as well. And when I saw ELK, and I my personal opinion was that I think that this is legitimate because I've seen the videos of flex pinion and we're talking about room temperature superconductivity now, not just almost sup room temper Sure do you think that room temperature superconductivity, you know, can or must be created for meta materials or can it also be induced via electromagnetics, electrograph etics, however you want to

think of it. So I'm going to say something that's largely unpopular amongst the people that I know and or work with, et cetera, which is that, and we discussed this yesterday, which is that it is of my humble opinion that the focus on meta materials and the analysis of them and their isotopic

ratios and all of that is fine. There's nothing wrong with that, but to induce the effects we are seeing, whether it's the Piez effect or tapping the zero point as put Off has said in the past, or doctor Eric Davis or your three seventy videos. You do not need meta materials whatsoever. Now, putting that aside for a moment, you may say, okay, what induces these effects? Well, various forms of plasmas and certain gases,

various forms of light, various forms of superconductors. In addition to and this is where it gets quite controversial, the induction of room temperature superconductivity using normal metals. And so it is of my humble view that the push for the analysis of meta materials and such is to not necessarily detract, but distract from the fact that this can be done without meta materials. Now, with that said, I don't have something against meta materials, and we think, for

example, okay, what is that. Well, if we, for example, engineer the we manipulate the isotopic ratio of say magnesium bismuth, and then we put a thin film, you know, super conducting layer over it with maybe fiber optics. In theory, that's a metamaterial because it's a material that we have now manipulated and it's in a meta state, if you will. So I'm not against that, but it's also not needed. That is not

needed to be done. This is something I said for quite some time, and I've gotten some flak behind the scenes for it, but I think that people have the right to know, particularly when you look at the work of before World War two, and especially before World War One, this notion of airships and compressed air, these pneumatic forms of transportation, that we're clean and it was just using compressed air. Forget anti gravity, forget generating gravity waves,

just using compress air. So you know that that brings me into a whole rant as well as you know, for example, the common home heat pump in everyone's homes, for example, technically have the ability to allow you to induce what's called cop coficion of performance over one, meaning you can use the you know, the empty space or the vacuum and the ions from it

to compress air. But there's been a diabolical design globally where when it cools off outside your back on resistance heating, so you're stuck in a closed loop system instead of an open loop one. So essentially one of the few reasons that we're still building cop cofiicient of performance less than one is because closed current loop circuits restores Lorentz symmetry and doesn't let you use the ether or the vacuum to extract the type of energy that we would see to power homes infinitely or

to do the effects that we've seen in the three seventy videos. So that's the pac man mouth is closed instead of being open. Yes, exactly, exactly, Yes, Yeah, that's pretty cool. So I I was gonna say, uh, which sorry if but very quickly from a visual or the pac Man's mouth when it's open, it looks identical to Maxwell's quaternions on Wikipedia, by the way, So it's just an interesting visual to correlate because if

you do the math, it translates to that visually. So and just real quick from my chat, people want to know what LK ninety nine is. So LKA in ninety ninety nine was I was just going to say, you

know, you can feel good. To correct me. Here is a recipe that was came out of Korea and I think also China, but mostly Korea that essentially said, you can take copper and lead and if you heat it under the right uh, using the right recipe, that you can produce a super conducted room temperature superconductive element or metal however you want to think of it. Yeah, is that how you would describe it as well? Certainly it

is of my knowledge certain things have have been done privately. I know, for example, there was a paper published all the way back in two thousand and one that indicated a combination of copper and gold, for example, that when melted to a certain temperature, created room temperature super conductivity, and then it later got retracted as per usual. Those are the ones you're gonna want

to look for for your lovely audience. With that said, do I personally two things I'll say about LK ninety nine in particular, I haven't looked into it enough to say for certain my surface level analysis is that it is purely diamagnetic and not room temperature superconductive. I could be wrong with that said. Putting LK ninety nine aside, I know for a fact that room temperature superconductivity

does exist and has for quite some time. One can make an argument that, without jumping all over the place here, these ancient cathedrals that seem to have very peculiar geometric properties and organs inside of them, with pizo electric bricks made out of them, may have in fact been room temper. But you're

superconductive buildings that were used for healing, et cetera, et cetera. But anyways, the really cool I think that the idea is that if you have a resonance within the vacuum that has an ideal state of your cells in a healthy manner, sort of like going back to our stacked books. Example, if you're on book number ten and you're you know, your your cells are

cancerous. You can then what this this resonance does just by being inside of these cathedrals ideally, is it takes essentially uh your body when it was at say book three in a healthy state, and brings it up to book ten and you are now essentially very healthy. We've seen this been also be promoted pre World War One for those that have the really old magazines and that kind of stuff, you know, with using cathodes and you know, ray tubes

and all this kind of stuff putting it all over the body. But of course, you know, interestingly enough, we didn't hear about any of that after the war. So yeah, yeah, well I have it just from my audience too. I want to go back to something you were saying about some other mad materials bismuth, zinc and magnesium, seems to be a common combination that I hear a lot about in uithology, So I just think that there might be something there. I'm just curious as to if you have any

just quick thoughts on that. Yeah, I'll be super open in one sense. I know, for example, that certain people have done certain things to bismuth, and when bismuth was put into a concave like shape, it began to exhibit properties that otherwise would not have. These are people, just like you know, melt, melting it and applying a couple of other things to it electrically in their homes. So I don't want to give away too much, but I do know, for example, these were people taking bismuth from

shotgun shells. So what I'm trying to say is there are components to a lot of these elements and materials that we that are right in our faces, that we are sadly not familiar with. And I'm familiar, for example, with a certain group that had to that found some very interesting things using just resonant frequencies, and they themselves had to were very frustrated because they could they

could not publish these results they were able to induce. Dare I say, a form of alchemy using the polarizable vacuum approach, which is again the curving of space time, and then using the positive and negative electric charges to dare I say birth something out of the phase conjugate curves that were induced in the laboratory on these materials. Yeah, and I'll repeat for people that are out there that are thinking that, you know, this is just blowing their minds

or what have you. This is why this is hard truths, guys. This is why we're in here. These are the truths that people are gonna have a hard time accepting, and you need an open mind to get to them. Dave, this is awesome. Do you want to take a look at videos with me real quick and we can just I would love to hear your opinion on the science, what you think is happening. And you already kind of referenced them multiple times, So I'm going to go ahead and share

my screen here so that we can get this officially in the recording. Wait can you see it now? Dave? Yes, Okay, so here we go. We got that technical difficulties resolved, so these orbs come flying in right away. And the first thing that I noticed that I'm curious about your thoughts is that it seems like it flies past the plane and then it kind of looks like it's trying to look for it here. I don't know.

This isn't necessarily like super in depth in the superconductive or science perspective, but to me, it looks like it's like tracking or looking for the plane.

What are your just general opinions on that when you see this come flying in like this, And I'd say this in a speculative manner, assuming these orbs are in a sort of detection mode, if you will, what I would speculate that what is occurring here is there is a sort of that orb is looking for a resonant to lock in with respects to the other orbs relative to the mass that it's looking to transfer or reduce the weight of or again perturb

the local space time metric around it. That's normally what I would this is again without the actual data itself, that's what I would speculate, and of course with regards to the vortex like behavior that is all but very familiar to a lot of my experimental work to like to a t. So I can say that for those that again think that it's fake or something like this.

We also have to keep in mind that the video editing software that it gets put through again by definition of not even having the code embedded in and of understanding a higher symmetry effect, will seemingly try its best to sort of render the effects that it could in a flat space time assumption or presumption. And this is not to say that VFX software is the only thing that assumes the

flat space time. We can say arguably that all of our cameras assume the flat space time, which create which is what gives rise to the pixelation and therefore the inability to see past a particular point of that curvature, which would then be another dimension directly above it. And so these effects that we're seeing and that I see here are vastly, vast similar to what I'm familiar with.

And so I think what we're seeing as well is that we're seeing a depot dare I say, a focusing of energy that uses literally the entire space time, metric or vacuum or ether around it to induce the effect that we see. And this this triangle, this also speaks to you, by the way the breaking of the breaking of local symmetry. We see, for example, that Lee and Yang won the Nobel Prize for this back in nineteen fifty

seven. This is not anything that is out of the ordinary, if you will, We see that et Whittaker in nineteen oh three nineteen oh four showed that using partial derivatives you can infact and the z axis in a longitudinal sense,

you can induce these effects and stabilize disequilibrium. So the idea would essentially be that you'd have very similar to like a tree trunk for those that are that are not so scientifically minded, you'd have the trunk that controls the branches of the tree, as we know or as the stands as sort of the supporting point. But what we're now being told publicly is that there's no trunk.

There's just the branches. So we can liken the branches to the X and Y axes, respectively, and then we can liken the trunk of the tree to the Z axis or the z axis that is not seen unless one is actually up close in that effect, which is why I keep saying, at best, when you're away from it, you're going to see at best the flat intersection of that phenomena. And or the flat intersection through either your own eyes or the cameras that are filming such. Yeah, so what is

your thoughts then on this pattern that they're doing here. It's breaking the local symmetry of the space time metric to induce what Hotchburg and Visser showed out of Los Alamos in the nineteen eighties, to induce what seems to be here against

speculatively a traversible wormhole. Essentially, it's using resonance to break the local space time metric around the object, in this case, the plane that it's looking to transport, and it is essentially building that resonance up in a vortex like manner to then create at the zero point a curvature in space time that again will give the effects as we've seen here, that induce things like again you know, non locality, spooky action at a distance teleportation, which we know

has been done at least fundamentally by transferring bits or quantum information. Why that hasn't been proposed to be scaled up publicly and is another interesting thing. But yeah, so you think then that that's not just a matter of scanning or mapping the plane here. You think there's some type of electromagnetic or other type of force at play here while they're actually doing the spinning and they're interacting with

a probably yes, the orbs are probably super conductive. What they're essentially doing is they're locking in at the playing scale with regards to the local space time metric around the plane and then inducing weather through lasers that would come out of the orbs, or whether through certain pre programmed let's say electromagnetic and harmonic decibel frequencies make the plane go through or experience the effect that we see where it

suddenly just disappears. But I would say lead up to that is a resonant type of build up, very similar to sort of like a Z pinch, if you will. So they're not even being pre they're not even being remotely

controlled. Then they would be pre programmed. Is that what I'm hearing is that it can be as I understand, it can be remote controlled, but it can also be preprogrammed absolutely to find a particular if it's pre programmed with a set of you know, to look for a certain mass that then has that mass dare I say, transport or make it disappear or remove the weight or the internal mass of that object from one point to another, I certainly would say that it can definitely be done. Okay, well, that one

was awesome. Let's take a look at the second video then, and I appreciate all your insights on that. That's really helps me a lot as well. Can you see the second video? Yes, okay, awesome. I'm going to full screen this. So this is the second video, guys, And this is the MQ one C Gray Eagle, where we can just see

the nose of this drone right here, right off the bat. And somebody actually one of the comments of one of the recent podcasts so that their friend works for General Toomics and that this is what one of their drones would look like as well. Now in this one, the leaker is taking this multi spectral electro ir camera and added this thermal layer in over the top of it.

And again we can see these orbs just ignoring gravity here. And one point right away I want to point out, once we get to this orb that we see, I want to snap it, shot it right when we see it, is that you mentioned something about the cameras not being able to pick this up in correctly in three dimensions and it would look flat to us.

You think that may be part of the reason why that orbs look just kind of circular here, or is this just naturally you know, actually we're still seeing them in three dimensions, or what is your thought that would be that would certainly be a factor. And you see, do you think we're seeing the non radiant barrier here around this or do you think that this is

a solid object? Then I think it again, I would speculate that it is a solid object that has created a alteration of the local space time metric around it using plasmas and Bose Einstein condensates, so it is completely voiding space and time, therefore not having to abide by the gravitational rules that you know

fighter jets would have to. Yeah, and it's a smart for It's like, if I can give a quick example, It's like if you were in a swimming pool and you took a small pocket of a little bit of water, put it inside of a put it inside of a container of sorts or a balloon, if you will, and then put it back in the pool.

That water that is inside of the balloon is not touching the rest of the water on the outside, and the balloon therefore allows for that water on the inside to push and pull the balloon in ways that it wouldn't be able to if that water in the balloon was immersed with the rest of the pool. Did you ever, Uh, you're probably a little young for this. They used to be a toy called Ballzac and it was a ball and there would be like a water ball in it, and when you threw it,

it would just like move around, super weird. For some reason, that description that you just gave me kind of makes me think of that, I know what you're talking to, what you're talking about, and that would be a very nice example about the way that it kind of just jerks around in that regard. Yeah. Interesting. The next part of one top is you

can already see these lines, these dark trails. We have another version that shows them a little bit more clearly, which I'm just going to switch over to really quickly because this is the next thing I really want to ask you about here is when we see these trails, they're in front of the orbs. I mean, this looks like they're running on train tracks to me. You can see these trails are actually in front of the orbs here. What

is your thought theory hypothetical about what is causing him. When I talked to Stavage or Pious, the impression I got would be that these are like a pulse that is either breaking down the space time vacuum and creating their own geodesics that way, or there's creating a vibrational effect that is allowing this breakdown of the local space time vacuum to create these train tracks. I'm going to call them, for lack of a better term, that is, their own geodesics,

that they are just being pulled along. What is your thought? You remember, I completely agree with sal If you remember what I said at the beginning of this regarding second harmonic generation, that is what gives rise to this

effect right here, Yes, I would. I would say, I would just add simply, the second harmonic generation allows for a gradient in the local metric that, when induced with a dielectric, current, capacitor, et cetera, can start to do some very interesting effects, and when combined with for example, lasers in a directional sense, can can emit and absorb the UH

and rather induce the effects that we're seeing here. So if I could stand on doctor Paiez's shoulders humbly, I would say, In other words, it's giving rise to the macroscopic quantum effects that are done via phase conjugation, through second harmonic generation that induces a gradient within space time that creates these effects here through things like Bose Einstein condensates that can then again do things that would otherwise

be considered impossible with solids but can be done with plasmas. Yeah, and maybe this is a little bit redundant to what we were just speaking, But how is it you think that it seems like the center of mass is the plane itself. Do you have any theories on how they're like staying stuck to this plane in this pattern that they are because they come at rock three speeds, right, so they're coming in at a limited speed, but then they

kind of match the speed of the plane perfectly. Here. You essentially what you want to do is, in this particular case, if you're looking to do, whether it what we're seeing here, you want to make the plane

your center axis of symmetry. In terms of for example, instead we talk about, you know, a relative rotation, but in this particular case, what we're looking at here is actually something called absolute rotation, where we are essentially create allowing the orbs to resonate and lock in with the internal mass of

the plane that comprises the plane. And so that resonance, combined with the effects that the orbs induce, allow then for the very focused amount of energy to interact at the plank level with what we can call the zitribua gung or what in German translates to English, the the jittering thing, as it's been

called. Because in quantum mechanics, and I'll come full circle with this, it's been shown that, for example, if you push a kid on a swing, and even after the kid gets off the swing and the swing is what looks to us is staying still at the plank level, it's still oscillating.

It doesn't stop. And so if we can lock in with the oscillation of the not of a swing, but of a plane, then we can see and we then create a form of absolute rotation around the axis of the plane, lock in with the resonance, use a Bose Einstein condensate to induce its own geodesics in front of itself. You can then have the exact effects that we're seeing through the curving of space time and the second harmonic generation that's

awesome man, thank you for that explanation. Greatly appreciate that. No problem. I think we'll get to our main event here, you know, so if we let this go in here. The first thing I noticed is that if this was fake, I wouldn't expect to see frames like this where the plane is out of view. This is because they've zoomed in and they're manually

trying to track this right. I was listening to Matt Gates on the UAP hearing and one thing he mentioned was that there was an incident that he had seen where the operator had to use manual tracking for some UAPs that were out there. I just thought, real quick, do you have any comments on that or you think that there might be a situation where, due to what we're seeing here, they can't be tracked automatically due to them being you know,

separate themselves from space time. Yes, you can. Basically there are there have been. This isn't actually nothing new. This is case. This has been around long in the defense field, long before I was even around. You can make fighter jets and things like this either see multiple objects that are not even there, see things that are that would otherwise be in other different places. And essentially manipulate the radar to the point where you would need

a human behind it to look specifically or know what to look for. These things can because they avoid the local space time metric, they become completely undetectable in any way, shape or form. The only way to detect them is to then use the same technology that it is emitting, but this time you use it as a detector instead of an emitter. And this goes back to what we discussed about things with concave lenses and so on and so forth.

And I think because some of the people in the chain want to know as well, and I think I know the answer already, but why do you think that there's three of them? I think the assumption is that's the minimum required to build a geometric shape in two dimensional space time. That's the minimum amount required to break the local symmetry of any metric. So we need to It's as simple as thinking back to the X and y axis on the Cartesian

plane. But then we need a third axis, the Z axis, which is some of the papers that I've sort of tried to hint to your lovely audience in the past hour and a half about in terms of there's an entire company. When I gave the example about covering the bottom half of the water bottle or the trunk of the tree not being acknowledged, these are all practical examples of what I'm trying to describe scientifically relative to what we're seeing here.

The if with two orbs this would not have worked. You need three. You need a minimum of three, and then three corresponds to essentially the broken symmetry of a particular particle or an a or space time metric, if you will. So three is very very crucial. Interesting, Okay, well, I think let's jump to our main events about to happen. And that's what tells me. I think that based on those answers that to me, what we're looking at here is in operation. This is already something I've speculated.

But if these are things that can't be manually tracked, are automatically tracked and have to be manually tracked, and we're zooming in on them here as we see in a second, and then we're zooming out right before this event happens, and we know that this is some type of pattern that has purpose that to me, this says that whoever was filming this new something was about to

occur, they're trying to get as much information about it. And this goes to one of my questions before we start talking about the ZAPP, which is, do you think that the military films and these elector are cameras to collect data on exactly these types of anomalous events, Because I can't understand otherwise why we wouldn't be using optical cameras for this type of things. The multi spectral cameras seem like they're intentionally designed for this, So I'm just curious with your

opinion on that. I think yes to a certain degree. I think this is where it gets a little bit not complicated, but complex in the sense that whether it's certain departments of the military or of the contracting field, or a mix of both. In a hybrid sense, I do believe there are much more advanced forms of detectors that can see these things more clearly in every

way, But I do believe that the viewing of such too. Relative to those sailors or soldiers that do not have access to such technology and equipment, this would be probably the next best thing. Yeah, that's awesome, So

okay, I appreciate that. Now this is just some close ups. And this is actually part of the original writ aside and non video, is that they actually do these close up slow mos of the orbs that you can see here, and you can kind of see them distort a little bit, and then we get to the slow mo of what I refer to as the ZAPP But I think the more accurate term is the macroscopic phase conjugation that's happening.

So I would like to hear your opinion, because you just mentioned that you think these orbs are having purpose here, they're interacting with one another, they're breaking down the local face time or space time metric. And do you think then that when we're going to see them converge here? And I think we're gonna see I don't know if the monopole is the right term, but they seem to be focused all their relative important part, you know, focus towards

the middle of the plate. They're they're essentially what they're doing is they're creating a how can I put sorry? After watching my words here, they're seeing they're inducing a quadrupole moment essentially, and what I mean by that is a quadrupole are multiple diepoles laid over each other. But the reason that you a

quadrupole quad meaning for you'd say why is there not a fourth orb? Then if that's the case, that's because the fourth potential has to be left open the same way we talk about opening pac Man's mouth via the a field the magnetic vector potential to induce in this particular case, UH, if they're if this is a transportation effect, uh, to allow for the fourth point of that quadrupole to be in the place where they wanted to transport the plane.

If that makes sense when you say they wanted to transport the plane and you say that's where they want to induce the singularity? Or is this also some way of determining the direct Sure? If you're, let me simplify it actually

in a way that I think I probably could do much better. If you're looking to teleport an object, let's just say right, or transport it from one point in space to another point but very far away in distance, what you would do is you would have three orbs surround or three of these orbs with disability surround the object that you want to say teleport speculatively, and then you would have the fourth orb at the location that you want to bring it

to and this would be your Einstein's spooky action at a distance. You do one thing on one side of the planet, and it immediately occurs on the other side of the planet as well. It's those same type of concepts essentially. So that's really interesting because we have been speculated and part of MH three seventy x investigation are there other orbs on the other side from you, is that you might need just one other orbs that is essentially entangled somehow. Well.

It speaks to completing the full squadrupole, which would be the squaring of a circle if you were to visually look at it, which goes right back to the square root of the electric permeativity of the local vacuum. In addition to these plank cubes that we talked about. It's pretty it's not that different. It's just different ways of looking at it, but it's not I do agree with doctor Paez when he says that it's a new perspective on something that's

been right under our noses for a very long time. Yeah. I like when you put that too, because it goes back to that idea that we're just building on old science, that we're taking another look at it, looking at it differently. But we're not cheating the system in any way, right, We're not no change in how science operates. We're just building upon it.

Basically, if I can say very quickly with regards to I would I'm not a betting man, but if I had to bet money, there was a fourth orb that would be stationed at the the geographical point in which this plane would have wanted to in which certain people would have wanted to bring this object towards. And example of that is very simple. The way people may say, Okay, how is this connection made between the fourth orb or the

potential fourth orb and the three that are around it. Think about an elastic band stretching between the plane and where the fourth orb would be that induces through that longitudinal component, that Z axis, that trunk of the tree that we cannot see in flat space time, that induces at minimum light speed, the ability for matter to appear from at one point and then appear on another point simultaneously. So you're essentially creating a non visible elastic band between the plane and

where you would want to bring the plane. And the way you do that is you break the symmetry of the around the object of the local vacuum that you want to teleport if you will, And then you have the fourth and final point of that quadrupole inductance, which is the second harmonic generation effect. You would have the fourth point at where you'd want to bring it, same way you have cell towers. Basically, it's the same concept. Yeah,

and does with this direction of travel. Doesn't matter that the plane is focused on as certain direction as we go forward, We're going to go anyway they wanted to go as long as the orbs, as long as the orbs induce the resonant effect around the plane and they fit to the plane's direction of propagation and so on. No, there's no, it doesn't matter. Awesome, And so the next question that is this frame that we're looking at right here, we can see the plane blur. In this frame, we can see

what looks like gravitational lensing to me on these orbs. Which, yes, this is the part where I'm like, nobody fake this, guys, like this is way like it's too natural. Here. The other part that's interesting is that the planes gets a little bit smaller compared to the frame rate before this. So do you think this is indicative of some acceleration effect that's happening

here, the gravitational effect. I say it's a combination of infolding as E. T. Whitaker and David Bohm were big proponents of boy and mechanics. But it's also also an indication of the local metric being warped and perturbed sort of like jello, to the point where it becomes the solid objects don't become solid. So this is like the beginning of the phase conjugation occurring, and we're just kind of seeing it. And this is what you think essential?

If essential, I would I would bet yeah, yeah, Ok. And then from this effect that we see here, what is your thoughts? So in the satellite stereotopic video we see some illumination happen from this event, but we can see from this video here that's an endothermic cold event. Why do you think that there is illumination happening? You know this light that illuminates the

clouds. What is your theories behind that? That is very similar to that of this So I have to it's a lot more straightforward in my opinion than many may think. This speaks very much to very quick laser pulses, particularly within the ultra violet spectrum. I need to forgive me, I need to

be a little bit careful in that regardless. Quite, let's just say that certain not just in this case, but in other cases, there have been people that have claimed to and forgive me, I don't mean in this case, but certain people have claimed to see certain colors when craft take off in a light or in a photonic sense, that correspond directly to what we know

in the laboratory to be an ultraviolet pulse. And so when we see this effect, I think what we're seeing essentially is the residue of how can I put it, sort of like if this speculative wormhole had an hourglass like shape to it, but we cannot see it in its full three D form. Going back to our main topic of because everything's assumed to be a flat space time with our detectors and so on, what we would have essentially is that

sort of light. That illumination is sort of the indicative of the sort of tapering off resonance that is closing up that temporary we could say pocket and space time or opening in space time that was made the same way that the same way that you pulse a laser basically. Okay, well, I appreciate that.

That's really amazing. So I think we've learned a lot here. Now, one last thing I have on these videos, and then I just want to talk to you briefly about just some of the implications of all this technology. So let's just say, hypothetically, there's a lithium ion battery fire on this plane. Let's just assume that do you think that this event could absorb the energy out of those batteries? Do you think it could? I mean,

it's cold as well. I know I know that I know for a fact that it can transfer the mass of that of that those batteries either into the orbs, it can transfer the mass, let it dissipate into the into the ether or the vacuum. And then I know for a fact that it's possible and very feasible to do using lasers and and pulse pulse laser effects and electro optical birefringent effects. And if you had a and types of phase conging of crystals that were and put inside of lasers, and those lasers were put

inside of the orbs, you can definitely have these effects. Yeah, awesome, that's that's huge. Thank you very much for that. I think that helps us to understand what no problem the idea would essentially be. We have to keep in mind there's a difference between mass and weight of an object. And if we think of we ultimately publicly we don't know what mass is.

If we think of mass being simply the internal resonance of an object, we think about the ability to then if we can transfer that resonance from the plane to then where the outer shell of the plane is still intact, but its internal mass has now been the same way that if we take that water in a balloon example, imagine you pop the balloon and then the water just naturally goes into the rest of the swimming pool and it just kind of embeds itself

into the rest of you know, life or nature, if you will. The same thing works with mass in that sense. So that's why when a lot of people say, for example, you know, things like cold fusion are not possible because mass behaves in a certain way, I would say very

strongly that mass behaves basically. You can you can make any object warp like jello under the right conditions of face conjugation, manipulating that mass the internal mass of an object, which is why, for example, I think we've seen ancient structures that have been so precisely cut our current modern you know, laser beam cutters couldn't even do it. And that's because, in my opinion, there is such precision with regards to the resonance of the toroidal nature of life,

if you will, that lock in resonance of that making that phase conjugation allows for the cutting of the stones, the transportation of large objects to be literally as light as a penny in terms of its internal mass, if you can dissipate the mass from it and therefore again open pac Man's mouth to let the mass leave an object, and then again you can essentially make it as light as possible while still having the outer frame of said object very intact.

That kind of blows my mind because I've been sitting here wondering as I watched stuff like Graham Hancock's arch Anthropology archaeology, where he's looking at these structures and formations that were built tens twenty thousand years ago, and they just seem impossible,

especially if we're dealing with hunter gatherers that were not organized. You know, I just feel like maybe they weren't necessarily more advanced from an iPhone perspective, but they at least had some concept of these advanced geometry, advanced science, physics, and engineering that we are still to us, you know. For them, you know, maybe they were more advanced in some ways and

we are more advanced in other ways. You know. So that's just kind of what my current theory is. I thought that I'm this is why I really appreciate the conversations that you have with people like Salpayez, because the one thing I've said many times over is that if any form of our ancestors had any interaction action with this type of science, as we said earlier about science versus tech, they were not running you know, stokes, integral theorems and

vessel functions and all this kind of stuff. For them was very simple. They maybe didn't even call it this, but we understand electricity, magnetism, lights sound simple, what can we do with it? Clearly, this is a very simple approach that unifies everything once one begins to see the perspectives that can be taken in a sense of not needing these overly, and this is no jab in anybody, to be clear, but not needing overly complex mathematics

and things like this. It might be so eloquently simple that it's been put right in front of our face. Whenever someone may have discovered the effects that lead to these things, if scaled up, maybe they've decided to just call it, you know, things like inverse Faraday effect or you know, very basic the London moment for example, and then just kind of leave it there,

right, No, don't extrapolate on it. But I think that I know rather that these affects are very feasible, and this is when the cognitive dissonance, mixed with the lack of ability to detect the appropriate data that would give rise to understanding this science and physics comes into play. And that's when

the unfortunately the system has done a very good job at that. So yeah, So I think that just again to repeat what we've said multiple times, is that you don't have to believe what either Dave or I are saying. You can verify this information yourselves as long as you have an open mind. The answers are out there. The stuff that we've been reviewing today is not

science fiction, it's science fact. People should look into this. If you're somebody who's an inquisitive mind out there, you want to dig into it. Realize you don't need to have any pedigree. Pedigree doesn't matter. What matters. You put the work in, you figure it out, you dig into the science. The papers are out there, and you can kind of come

to the same conclusions that we've been coming to here today. Now I want to talk a little bit about I think we've talked about a lot of these concepts, but if we bring it all back together in terms of what does this mean for this technology, what can be accomplished. We already talked about teleportation, although I think that's a crude approximation of what we're really talking about

here. But when we mean teleportation, or I mean moving an object at the speed of light, potentially faster than the speed of light, similar to quantum teleportation according to the double slit experiment, I think we didn't dig into it too much. But annihilation as well, just completely wiping something out. With Bob Greenier, he and I talked a lot about the perfect defense mechanism where we could annihilate a nuke, annihilate any type of missile that would be

coming at us. Would you agree with that very much, so essentially using the same effects or concepts we've discussed for the past ninety minutes, and essentially it not have it, say, for example, have the mass transfer and reorganize elsewhere, which would be a form of teleportation, but rather have the mass just completely dissipate, whether it's the mass of unfortunately a person or the

mass of a metal object. Size is not of an issue. So yes, I strongly agree with mister Greenier. Yeah, and then some of the other aspects we talked about. We definitely talked about free energy. In my opinion, we're talking about pac Man and open his mouth up, pulling energy

from the vacuum state. I think that's something I already questioned before. But really, what you're I think that your takeaway conclusion is that if you open your system up, instead of making a closed system, I'm making an open system. Now you can open yourselves up to this idea of sucking energy from the vacuum state and you know, having there be a release valve, so to speak, in terms of my layman's terms. Any other thoughts on that, sure, One example I can give, and this is I want to

be clear, this is a crude overly abstract example. So, and I'm not a I'm not special I don't specialize in the uh insert in the in the medical area of this type of work. But one thing I can give an example of is we talk about you know, people talk about things like over unity or open systems or which would therefore open pac Man's mouth and extract this energy or give and take that, you know, receive and transmit this energy in and out of your object or your setup relative to the local space,

time or vacuum. We have to think about the possibility that these craft or these orbs may in fact be nuts and bolts versions of what we already ow are and what we already do. What I mean by that is think about and putting aside the the angles of remote viewing and whatnot. Think about for a moment, when you wake up in the morning and you have breakfast, for example, and you have such a busy day at work that you don't end up eating lunch or dinner, but still you're still alive. You

can still survive. You arguably have exerted far more calories than you've consumed. By definition, one can make an argument that's over unity. You are a perpetual motion machine, So why it cannot be done when applied to various other you could say, solids, elements, plasmas, et cetera. Again, has largely been for I would say political, controversial, bureaucratic bs, particularly

with how long it's gone on for. But I think that in addition to that, this gives rise to things like light speed or a fast than light speed communication. This definitely gives rise to things like medical healing, particularly things

like linguistic wave genetics. Doctor Peter Gary, who unfortunately mysteriously passed away a couple of years ago and mysteriously had his Nobel Prize retracted for essentially using the polarizable vacuum approach, which is what we've been discussing for the past ninety minutes, to essentially do the stacked book example of healing people, whether it's a PTSD, mental health or actual cancer. He has a website the linguistic wave

genetics should be pretty easy to find. But all having to do with again the same concepts of applying resonance in conjunction with this phase conjugation at the plank level that permits these types of interactions. But you did mention faster than light communication, which is one of the things I wanted to touch on. I appreciate that the medical healing aspect of it as well. I think that as well. We're talking about force fields here, right, We're talking about his

non ratiant barrier. So one thing I think about is cloaking, you know, yes, idea, and that's something that's been out there. Actually, that's probably the least controversial aspect. That's pretty that's pretty that's pretty simple. I think that's actually been on Lockheed's website. They've subtly admitted to it for a while. I think it's low. Don't quote me on that, but that's that's that's There are multiple ways to induce that. You don't necessarily need

to bend gravitational waves to bend light. Although that is one way, there are many other ways that it can be done as well. Yeah, yeah, and sorry, I we just got a big donation. I just want to thank Dop very much. Wow, thank you very much for that. That that's really huge, and everybody in the chat. I don't know if you've been able to see it, Dave, but people have been going wild

in the chat. They are really appreciating this conversation. Right now, I haven't Unfortunately, I haven't seen I will take a look back after this and and thank you to everybody. I honestly, I hope that I can even stand on Paeza's shoulders next Sunday when we do this to to give more credence. What we're trying to do here today, at least what I'm trying to do is lay the groundwork, and then next Sunday will perhaps get a little more science y, if you will, in discussing that lingo and all of

that. But you spoiled it for everybody. I was gonna tell everybody so hard to number four is coming out. You're fine, Dave. I was about to draft and hard Crew's number four next week with Dave Rossi and alvatur Piaus at the same time. It is going to be amazing. Guys. If you liked what we're talking about today, you're gonna love next week. We're gonna have two heavyweights kind of going at it scientifically, talking about the

videos, talking about the science like we were today. Building on everything we've been talking about, just a couple of other quick scientific concepts. I want to talk about fusion power. You know, if we can have electromagnetic fields similar to what we can do with making something invisible, then I see no reason why you can't create fusion power within some very powerful electromagnetive fields as well. Would you concur with that assessment? One trillion percent? That's the There's

been an old saying. I think I'm paraphrasing here, but you know they talk about things like cold fusion, and they always say, you know, cold fusion is ten to twenty years away. Yeah, it's been like that for the last sixty years. So yes, no, it's it's very feasible, very possible. I say very confidently, because if you can read between the lines, you and your lovely audience, it's very feasible with either it's

with low energy nuclear reactions or anything of the sort. It's why I also I kind of laughed when I remember Payez saying on his first appearance on Kirchi Mungles Show that he initially tried to file some of his room temperature superconductor patents is high temp ones because hopefully it would have went through a little easier, but it is, it is feasible. We have to remember as well, this is the it's purely political as to why this stuff won't come out at

this point purely political? Yeah, And I think that's my last piece, is the politics side of it. So we've talked about a lot of amazing stuff where people go, this has got to come out, right, and I am one hundred percent in agreement with that. But we also have to look at the dark side of it too, which is when you have nuclear

power, you have nuclear weapons. Right, if you were to weaponize this type of technology, we might be, in my mind, dealing with stuff that I would call doomsday weapons, stuff that you would talk about super villains creating in movies. Right. Bob Greenier mentioned when I said, one of salvag Ropius's paper on high frequent your gravitational way is mentioned destroying an asteroid or a planet, a planetoid, which then I just scaled up and said,

okay, well what about the strain a whole planet? And Bob Greener said, no, I'm talking about the strain the whole sun. Right. You can even scale it up even further too. So what are your thoughts on that and how we should be responsible or cautious with this type of technology, because my opinion is the people that are hiding this that's the number one reason

right. Granted, the societal impacts huge as well, but from a national security perspective of giving an individual the capability to cause massive damage, that's the part that I think people will be afraid of the most. So this is something that I'm actually conflicted with. Now. I want to be very clear in saying that, although I do know that this is a very serious concern, it should not be the reason that at least the knowledge of this should

not should be hidden, that that should not be the forefront. Now. With that said, there is a very strong concern because of the fact that here's and I've been saying this for those that have known me for quite a while now, which is that when you tap one aspect of this of this funda mental energy or super force as mister Piez calls it, you tap the

rest of it. What do I mean by that? It doesn't take much after you tap, say an anti gravitational component, to say, my god, I can apply this to powering my own home, or I can apply this to if I turn this sideways and with another five six hours of adjustments to the device, I can turn this into something that I can go and very Unfortunately, if I'm angry at my ex boyfriend or girlfriend, go shoot

at their house and now they've all the houses will fall like dominoes. It's a very serious concern, and it's a very This is where, in my opinion, I think the element of dare I say, morals, spiritual maturity must come into play, the notion of simply not think. For me personally, I never think when I go into a lab or even if I'm consulting on a contract, I never think, how can I weaponize this? That's

not the thing. Now there are people that certainly do. I'll be very honest with you, and that's unfortunately the concern because yes, not just in principle and not just in theory, but as a matter of fact, it's been shown by whether it's Richard Feinneman John Wheeler, that there's enough energy inside of a coffee cup to evaporate the world's oceans. There's enough potential energy within the local space time metric the size of your hand to evaporate a planet.

And if that can be done through compacting enough energy inside of a high frequency graviton emission, I completely agree with mister Greenier. You can destroy a sun yeah, that's why I think. Sorry, I don't claim to have all of the answers, but I think that by divulging some of the conceptual framework as we have today, we can then perhaps discuss some of the more practical

elements. And I say that carefully because imagine, for example, with Piez, you know, God bless him with his approaches and his patents in a fusion like sense. Imagine you can do this with solid state electronics. And that's ultimately where I know we talked about this yesterday. I tend to specialize more in the solid state manufacturing of this, and what I mean is essentially small chip like devices that can essentially induce these effects equivalent to Payez's work and

otherwise. And so that's when it genuinely becomes scary. It really does. I'm not going to sit here and say it doesn't. So I agree. That's why I think that from the political aspect, if we were to reveal this, there is a lot of you know, laws or whatever, we have to put it in like kind of safeguards right to ensure that we are going to use it responsibly, and we might even have to rise to the level of collective conscious where we are not going to destroy ourselves, right,

and so I am conflicted, just like your conflicted, Dave. But I think that we are both people that come at this from the right attitude and from a good place. So I think all the people watching as well. I hope that they would as well and realize that this isn't something we can take lightly. This is something that we do have to heavily consider when we

are bringing this technology to the world and making it public. And that's why I want to have these adult conversations that we're having talking about it, making sure everyone understands it. I want to thank you for your time here today, and before I let you plug whatever you want to plug, sure, I want to go ahead to make you an honorary member of MH three seventy Acts. Dave. I think I am thank you. I really appreciate all of your insights. I think that you've given us so much here today but

also in our past conversations. I consider you a friend. Imhe three seventy Acts will come to your side, come to your aid anytime you need it. All you have to do is let us know and we will be there for you, Sir. I appreciate that so much. And if I can add one more thing for you and your lovely audience, which is that we talked about this yesterday on the phone, and I'd love to leave this as sort of a thought experiment to leave your audience with, which is that imagine

you're inside of for example. And this can also this subscribes to the stacked book concept. Even when people talk about high your dimensions or how your dare, I say, even consciousness. But imagine you're in New York City in an apartment with your with your window open, and it's freezing. It's December or January, and you have one blanket on you, for example, and you can feel the cold because there's only one blanket on you and you only

have one layer, which is not that much. And then your partner comes in and says, here are another three or four blankets to put a top you so you stay warm. We're basically at the point, and this is one of the reasons I wanted to come on your show. Where there is an element of the military industrial complex, particularly in North America, that is trying to that is attempted, that's doing its best to try and convince us that the other three or four layers on top of that first layer is not

even there, and that is ridiculous. The fact that they're trying to get people to not think becomes a very serious problem. And so that I just wanted to leave you in your audience with an example like that. That's basically what's happening, and it's something that I know a lot of people on the inside won't stand for, but their hands are tied with regards to the things they can say publicly in fear of unfortunately losing not just pensions but even members

of families very sadly. So if I could very humbly speak on behalf of some of them, I can say that it's just getting way too it's getting too much, and people deserve to at least have an underst standing of how this works. And so I want to thank you so much as well for

making me a member, man, I really appreciate that. And uh, for those that are interested, because as you may have heard, for those they were here at the beginning of the show, I did have I did start this before I got into the science side, with a with a podcast, and so what we do now is a couple times a week for those that support me. I put out extra content and extra papers that Ashton has some of that I don't really put out publicly, and it's Patreon dot com,

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I want to thank you again for those that are interested. I also have a substack dave z dot substack dot com z is zed both in generations that and Dave zed. But yeah that's also at podcast z no space, no capitals on Twitter, and yeah, I want to thank you so much Ashton brother for having me on and I really look forward to our conversation UH with doctor Payez next week. Yeah, I'm looking forward to And if you ever want me in your podcast, all you have to do is call. We'll

definitely be in touch and we'll be talking. So we're gonna We're gonna set that up one hundred percent. Yes, yeah, I've been very quickly. For those that may check out the generations at public side, I've been far less, far slower in releasing content because I'm much more into the contracting field of things. But I want to thank you so much for allowing me to even promote that, because there are videos I've made in the past that that

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this. I am so grateful for everybody I've come across. I don't know if I would have ever met you without these videos, and it just it feels like there's another higher force bringing everybody together. Greatly appreciate it. This was hard Truths number three Ashon Forbes, Dave ROSSI giving you guys the information the science that it's hard for people to accept, but it's the hard truths, so thank you everybody, have a great day. Go ahead and close this