#12 | Tom Montalk - The Physics of UFOs

as well, besides that new non physical stuff. But anyway, some when else thirteen, I decided to really started digging into what could be going on with that, So I read all the UFO, all the metaphysics, all the physics books at my local library, and then a couple years later I started getting really into suppressed science, so I ordered all these information packets from rexresearch dot com and well, this is before the internet, so they advertised in the

back of Popular Science magazine. So I got their photocopy information packets on Townsend Brown on various free energy inventions, Wellhelm Reich and the entire things. So I started doing lots and lots of experiments. Back then, I didn't have the expertise or the tools I needed to do it properly, but I did try. At least I got into weather engineering using Wilhelm Rece cloud busting techniques, and then eventually

I went to college for physics and electrical engineering. So I only ended up doing four and a half years of that because I realized going into academia it was too and I didn't have the freedom that I would need to pursue these fringe things without always having to worry about covering my own ass from you know, ruining my credibility for looking into something that wasn't officially approved.

So I decided, you know what, I'm just going to do like graphic design web design on the side and spend my free time studying these topics, everything from alternative science to eufology, to current events to I mean everything that could provide puzzle pieces as to what's really going on and what is really being kept away from us.

And so over the years, I've communicated with thousands of people, including scientists, researchers, abductees, eufologist, any any sort of truth seeker who's into this, and I've amassed a huge database of personal anecdotal data plus you know, research things, many things that you yourself ash and have been into and have been discovering over the past year. I've been heavily into a lot of that stuff too, and so that sort of allows us to converge our paths right now in this podcast.

of that is explainable within eupology. In other words, how much of the supposed UFO phenomenon, alien phenomenon, abductions and so on, is actually the secret government being involved in these illicit, illegal programs. And I think I would say maybe thirty five twy percent of it is Nowadays that it's quite a bit because within the upology field there's not only the disposed thing as alien abductions, but there's

also military abductions or my labs. And there's many, many people, you know, I mean, they're not all nutcakes or fruitcakes or anything. They're they're like, you know, people with credentials

that claim to be military abductees. And also on the anecdotal data, like I know people personally whose parents were in the military and they went on to go into working for the NSSA or military like naval intelligence or something, and they would have periods of time during the military service where they would black out and they wouldn't know

what they did for that period of time. It's almost like they're indoctrinated into a black program, and then when they discharged from it, they all are memories of it were erased, okay. And when you're involved in something like that, it's very easy for you to also be like have like an altar and stall like an ultra personality that

can be switched on or off. And so you could be living a regular suburban life and sometimes at night you could be abducted using portal technology similar to the MH three seventy type technology where you can be taken out of your room, you know, I mean, not like an entire airplane, but just you your body, brought to an underground base, do what you do there in your alternate personality, and then be brought back by five in the morning to wake up an hour later. This is

a sort of like a common pattern, okay. And so within that field of abductions, there is definitely a human component to it for sure, okay, But me and myself, you know, when I was a kid in Germany. Neither my parents were involved in anything military whatsoever. I mean, my entire family had no association with the US military. We did live in Germany, which did have US military bases, but I don't see how I would get on their radar, and the experiences that I remember, they do seem to

involve non humans. Okay, I do remember the typical gray aliens. I remember something that was like a gray slash b reptilian hybrid, and I thought it was my imagination until I asked my mom and my grandma, like, was there anything weird that happened during those years? And they said, oh, yeah, of course. You know you're always talking about these gray

men or these stone men coming after you. All right, So it wasn't like like me reading abduction literature and then like inventing memories because my mom and my grandma remembered me talking about that stuff. So anyway, that set me on a long research path to figure out, okay,

well what's going on with that? So my personal personal hypothesis, Okay, my personal hypothesis is that if humans have the ability to develop very advanced technologies, and we've done it rapidly from like eighteen fifties where we had like horses and buggies, and then all of a sudden Tesla came around. And then the airship mystery sightings of eighteen nineties where clearly some group was experimenting with anti gravity vessels even in

the eighteen nineties. Okay, and then you go a little bit beyond that, once you had quantum mechanics and relativity, and then the Nazis were They're probably the ones that were generating those food fighters that that you know, certain airplanes were seeing. And they also had advanced anti gravity technology and possibly free energy, maybe even time travel or time bending technology back then, you know, certain allegations of that, and so things accelerated very very quickly, and so you

have to think about it. Okay, well, what if this track of acceleration keeps on happening for the next I don't know, five hundred years, how far could humanity go? You probably go to alpha centry even right now using that technology.

on it. And the thing is, if you continue that thought experiment more and more and more, you start realizing, okay, well then you have different worlds, different civilizations that all accelerate at their own independent rates, but eventually they collide. Eventually they you know, it could be like the Spaniards meeting the natives, or it could be the Spaniards meeting the British, you know, like a parody kind of a thing.

But either way, you get wars competition, and eventually you get a kind of homeostasis amongst all these different civilizations where everyone knows their place and there's rules and laws in.

are here for their own agenda. And I think the ones that have the most power would be the ones that would be the most involved in our affairs because they would have the greatest ability to do so, and that could include everything from genetic manipulation to trying to take over the planet for themselves by our consent, you know, So they'd be seeding a lot of disinformation like, oh, the Grays are good and we need them, we need

to hybridize with them. That's that sort of spiel. So when you start hearing these narratives about Grays wanting to ibridize with us and trying to infuse our genetics with theirs to create this superior hybrid that's half human and half grain, well, you know what, maybe that's not all government disinformation. Maybe that is an actual, genuinely extraterrestrial or some sort of non human intelligence that's trying to do that. And if that's the case, then we've got two problems

to deal with. You don't mean we have one problem, which is the human corrupt military component, which is trying to hoard all this technology for themselves, and you have a higher version of that which is more and more cosmic. Right, So it's almost like like two bosses in this video game.

able to clone people for like twenty years. I don't know if a lot of people know this, but under George Bush, we banned human cloning. There was just a story a few weeks ago a guy cloning some kind of weird, big horned sheep and then hybridizing it as well, like some random farmer. So, like we're in the point twenty twenty four where genetic manipulation crisper technology is already reached complete mainstream.

potential was already there. However, the worst certain things like semiconductor technologies, which they were really really struggling with it until Roswell Roswell Crash happened. I think within within one year. Oh, they came out with the transistor. Finally a working transistor.

You know, maybe they just need that little nudge. And you know, some people theorize that Roswell that was an actual alien craft, but that it was purposely crashed as a trojan horse in order to seed advanced technology within human civilization. And while the question is why, well, now we have computers, now, we got cameras everywhere, we got satellites watching us, we have we're on the eve of a global totalitarian police state thanks to that sort of technology.

Maybe that's what the goal was all along. I'm not sure, but some people have theorized that, and I guess it's possible. I mean, from what I know about eufology, abduction experiences, anecdotes, all the data, everything about it, these aliens are extremely clever.

I mean they're very clever. Not only that, but they're also you know, like with remote remote viewing, you can remote view not only other places but also other times, the past, the future, probable futures, right, and so these beings, it seems to me that they have an very advanced ability of precognition of being able to map out different probable futures and to adjust their actions and their adjustments

to our timeline right now. Just like the movie The Adjustment Bureau, They're able to adjust things right now in order to affect the future in a way that they want. Now, you would think, okay, well they have that much power, why haven't they fully taken over our planet? And I think it's probably because there are other factions that might cancel that out, that want a different goal, and so

there is this cold war kind of counterbalance happening. Even at the non human level, that is keeping things relatively steady up until a certain point. So yeah, it's pretty complex. I will say I think overall human history has been nudged and managed by, potentially by non human powers. And I just say that based on works like William Bramley's The Gods of Eden, which is an interesting book because he was a historian who didn't believe in any of this alien stuff. He just wanted to He just wanted

to write a general history book. So he started digging into actual library archives in Europe and everywhere, like looking at these ancient records, and he started spotting all these anomalies that indicated either the presence of time travelers or something that seemed non human interfering with human history at key points. So it's an interesting book, you know, because he ended up writing a totally different book than what do you set out to. But that's usually how it goes.

You know, a lot of these people that are into euthology, they didn't start out being abductees or even believing in it. But once you start looking at enough data you start out to conclude that there's something going on. Now, it doesn't mean it has to be extra terrestrials. It could be time travelers. It could be some sort of weird quantum phenomenon where you've got like parallel timelines and there's bleed throughs going on.

you have more data. But I love that you brought up the example of there's this guy that you know started looking through the history.

understand history. If you understand those three things, you will understand the whole nature of how anti gravity technology and free energy technologies have been kept hidden from us, and the history is all out there, like even and we'll talk more about some of these scientific papers because I want to get your opinion on some of this stuff. Is the scientific papers has been out there forever too.

I think that when you mentioned Maxwell as well, you'll find that almost every he discusses Maxwell and they say, look at Maxwell's equations. This is when we like really took the next step up. And then I love the idea too that I've always loved this idea of Roswell leading to some kind of technological boom, especially with transistors.

I actually looked into transistors and like the history of this like five or six years ago when I was first digging into it, going like, man, did we really like find some alien technology and then just like give it to some university professors and then say that they invented it, you know, like it's plausible, it's not out of the realm of plausibility. Let me ask you a

question on the UFO thing about Roswell specifically. Tucker Carlson was talking to Clayton Morrison redacted last week actually just a few days ago, and he brought up this narrative that I've heard a lot. I like to shoot down narratives and explain narratives for people that aren't as deep into this as you and I are. And Tucker Carlson said, well, if these aliens flew from another galaxy or another star system or whatever, and they have this advanced technology, how

can they crash? Shouldn't they just be invincible? I hear this all the time from people, So go ahead, give me your debunk of the how do UFOs crash? That's me to do in the air quotes? Yeah, argument, Yeah.

That's one, and the other is that they were shot down by technology that humans had that was more advanced than we assume, right, because what we typically hear is, oh, during wildswell, they're testing what was it like, like like microwave radars or something, and that destabilized or energy field

and therefore the ship crash. Maybe maybe they weren't expecting that and therefore they didn't have a counter measure to it, or or it wasn't even a microwave laser it maybe it was something that they I mean, they probably already knew about the non human tech presence on Earth for a while, maybe maybe even a couple decades, because if you think about it, there was that disuppose it crashed and crashed in Italy in the nineteen was the twenties

and thirties, there's some rumors about that, and the Nazis have their own thing already by that point. So by the time Roswell happened, there already was a black program. I mean, the Manhattan Project was already happening years before that, right, So advanced technology was already being worked on, and of course it was weaponized, so they probably used it on that.

So that's another potential explanation. And the thing is, no to come here from another world, even if they do, maybe their time travelers, maybe they're from an another dimension. To do that does not require invincibility. It just requires knowledge of key science and key physics.

is either through well basically through general relativity. Right, so you have to do these these giant, massive spinning cylinders a warp space and time, and for us to build that is impossible right now, Just know way we could build something that's massive that spins that fast and warp space and time. But that's because you're trying to use the handicapped version of science to do it. If you know, for example, the relation between an electric field and a

gravitational field, hey, well there you go. You just have to pump up the electric field and you alter space and time and voila. Right, you got it. So that's what the Nazis were doing. I think that's what black ops are doing, and that's probably what some of these alien things are doing. That they've got a different kind of science than what the public has, and therefore it's way easier for them to do that than for us to imagine using our intentionally handicapped public science.

intelligences any ties. When we started talking about that so earlier, remember you mentioned what was like science, electrical engineering, and history. If you know those three things, you can figure out a lot of this. Those those are the three Those are like three legs of a table. That's a minimum minimum you need to have a stable table, right, But you can have four legs in a five six legs,

So what are those other legs? Well, in my opinion, some of those other legs might include occultism, mysticism, right, stuff involving sigh power, subtle energies, etheric energy. So when we talk about the ether, we're not just talking about zero point energy vacuum fields. We're talking about something that's even more fundamental than that, that ties into it, and

that gets more into the realm of consciousness. So when people asktra project or they got near death experiences, or they experienced telepathy or synchronicity or all these things, it's still not magic. However, it's not exactly hard science anymore either, because for example, take a synchronicity. Okay, when you get a synchronicity, if you get enough of them, you start realizing,

We'll wait a minute. Reality cannot be this cold, deterministic machine that the university physicists tell us that it is. There's something more going on. It almost acts more like a collective dream, with waking dream symbols that communicate something meaningful to you, symbolic. And when it comes to symbolism and symbolic and meaning like meaning like the meaning of something that's no longer mathematical, you can't really map that

out using variables because it's not mechanical. It is numinous, it is it is involving meanings, it's semantic. Okay, So it's a different field of dynamics than physics. So in my personal opinion, not to jump too far ahead, but I think that reality actually does consist of two parts. One part is the programmed physics like side of it,

the deterministic, mathematical geometrical stuff. Everything that you and I have been talking about so far, that's what that is, and you can study it, you can engineer it, you can apply it. However, there is another component which deals more with like you could call it like the right brain.

underlying HTML code or machine code of reality. So if you run a physics emulation program on your computer, hey, all the physics are there, right, it's hard physics.

can program something to fly around. And so I think that some of these non human intelligences, some of them are only operating within the physics realm, and that includes a lot of these shadow military projects. They're they're using

fringe science to do it, okay, and that's that's totally fine. However, that other component of reality some of these nhis so they probably have mastery over consciousness and the underlying matrix code to such an extent that they can probably reprogram physics itself directly from from the root source code in order to hover or levitate or you know, teleport or something like that. And if you don't have that conscious ability,

well guess what, you're stuck using regular physics. And that's what the shadow military groups have and that's probably what some of these less less advanced alien groups also have. So right, So, once again, going back to your question, we asked me what makes it hover? I think in some in some cases it is probably I don't want to call it magic, but it is.

consciousness is coming from. I mean, it's just like there's not there's not that much stuff out there. So to me, it's like if there's this energy field that we don't see, but it's always there, omnipresent everywhere around us, everywhere in the entire universe. I mean, there's got to be a connection there. It seems like it's avoidable. And then this is what I would say to you. You mentioned a lot

about simulation theory, et cetera. So do you believe in the holographic principle, and do you want to explain that concept to people just briefly.

exist on the surface of. And so just as you can have a two dimensional sheet of photographic film that has a holographic image and printed onto it and looks three dimensional even though it's a two dimensional sheet, well, our three D space time with the dimension of time added to it, which is fourth dimensions, could actually be embedded in a higher space. But it's actually like the flat plane within that higher space, and we're just holograms within that.

semantics and philosophy. You know, if you're saying that it's all science, and I'm saying, oh no, it's partly metaphysics is actually more of a semantic issue than an actual factual issue.

I fully believe the holographic principle. You did a great job of explaining it in my opinion, which is just this idea that on this extra dimension we're all maybe even one point the idea of like the one Lin theory, and therefore everything is right next to each other, which means the distance as we perceive, it's just a projection, an illusion that we perceive, and that opens the door to a lot of stuff that's considered esoteric, like remote viewing.

I think, the idea of consciousness and what even is life? Maybe we're all the same person, a lot of that. So I just find those theories to be quite elegant, and I find that physics theories that are elegant usually have the most merit generally, a lot of this stuff really is more simple than what people expect.

that's how hologram works. It's a collection of amplitude and phase that's distributed over space, and when you shine a laser into it, it kind of decodes it, It gets modulated by it, and it generates a seemingly three to mentional object that isn't actually truly there.

if you watch my Salvator Pais interview. He's I think been alluding to this concept that I just was listening to the seam here me and talk to Danica Patrick about this idea that inside each proton is a tiny black hole.

the gravitational potential. So the closer art to the ground, the faster it flows or the slower it flow is depending on how you view it. So, yeah, so I do think that that ether flow it relates to time in some way and also to gravity for sure.

through space as well, not just time. And so then to our eyes we see an actual flow, you know, from along the x axes or waxes or z axis or whatever. Even though the flow is going from a point to another point, where each of these points are flowing into the fourth and fifth dimension at their own different rates, you know, So we we're talking about a fourth or fifth dimensional space of ether and flows that

had that happened within that. So it's almost like some sort of a hyperdimensional fluid dynamics situation, I think, And I think some of that is needed to explain physics phenomena that a simple oh you know, everything flowing into a ball might not necessarily always account for.

into other other positions in the universe. And actually, Paula Violet Paul of Violet. One of his theories is that when you have a galaxy here and again in a galaxy there. When you got two galaxies, that space in between them actually has a positive gravitational potential. It's not zero, It actually bows out a little bit. So there's actually as it's equivalent to negative mass or negative energy to

get this positive gravitational potential bump in between two gravity wells. Okay, so because by physical convention, whenever you have a mass, the closer you get to the mass, the more negative the gravitational potential becomes. But in between large groups groupings

of masses, there's actually a positive gravitational potential. So maybe that positive corresponds to where the energy that flows into these black holes in side protons or whatever is re emitted out from a higher dimension into the vacuum of space into the zero point energy field somehow, and that creates like a positive gravitational potential. But so I'm just talking about a flow loop that has to go through a higher dimension in order to account for where the ether flow even goes.

it's spinning round and round and round. And the faster it spins, the more energy is present at that point. So when you talk about energy density, energy density is equivalent to the density of faster cycling rates. Okay, so that's what energy is. It deals with cycling through time, getting through time. But momentum momentum within physics, that has to do with cycling through space. So when you get a spatial wave quantum wave traced down in space, that

corresponds to momentum. But if it traces out through time as a kind of oscillation, that's to do with energy. So energy momentum. There are two sides of the same coin, and they have to do with the cycling of something something they don't know exactly what it is, but they think it's Actually they don't know what it is. They just call a quantum phase and they say, oh, it spins this way through space and this way through time.

That's that's energy and that's momentum. And then so you know, it's this kind of self referential how they describe reality, Like they don't really know what work is or energy or force or gravity. They explain everything in terms of everything else, and they sign terms to it, and they don't ever go to asking the fundamental questions like what actually is energy, what actually is time?

to flow. It's crazy to me that the most fundamental question there is has not really ever been answered, which is where is energy even coming from? Where's the energy for these lights right here coming from?

it's a spatial pattern that's become animated. So time and space, you know, time and space they are at right angles, they're orthogonal, you know. But but you know there there are two sides of the same coin, and that you can be in between. One could be more of one or the other, and largely it depends on perspective.

becomes electric. So there are things within physics, quantum physics where if you look at it from the viewpoint of space time, fourth dimension, the fourth dimensional field, where you've got space here, you got time here, that entire thing. You've got these static patterns on here, static patterns. But when you yourself as the observer, moved through time, then it actually animates as motion or electricity, converting into magnetism or whatever. In other words, there are deeper dynamics going

on that explain physics. But the thing is, even if you ask a physicists, well then why does that happen?

The first one from how Pudoff was nineteen eighty seven, which was the ground state of the hydrogen atom, and he asks the question, why is the hydrogen and adam not radiate energy at rest? And it seems kind of counterintuitive at first because you think, well, it's at rest, it's not supposed to radiate energy. But then from the quantum mechanic perspective we look at it, we realize that

nothing's ever really at rest. From the quantum mechanic perspective, if you were to take a pendulum in quantum mechanics, it never stops. Even you know, we look at something it looks like it's stopped, but it's never really stopped. So the conclusion he came to is that, well, it must be interacting with a field of energy where it's gaining energy and losing energy at the same rate and equilibrium, and that's why it doesn't appear to be radiated energy.

He followed it up two years later and wrote what I think is probably gonna end up be in a legendary paper in history, which is gravity as a zero point fluctuation for us, where he's basically saying that the relative energy densities that are out there create this pressure that we know of as gravity, which was basically what you just explained a second ago regarding this etheric flow.

when you do that, this is we feel. This resistance is there, and if you were to remove that zero point field, then you're not going to feel that resistance anymore. They also said that this zero point feels what gives us mass. That's the reason why we have mass at all, Otherwise we would have no mass. What do you think about how putoff you think that those theories are sound? I mean, this guy is connected to the UFO topic in a way that I never could have anticipated.

And I mean the same goes with with anyone else that that's involved in the higher level stuff that has secret connections. You know, they could be running interference for black programs by throwing people off track. They could be, but it's up to us to understand it and to see if that is a case or not. I mean, it's not a good idea to have a blanket suspicion and just not believe anything. If you're not gonna believe something, if you can have suspicion about it, explain why, like,

find out why what is off about it? And if you can't find anything, then hey, guess what it checks out. So so that that's how I've been with how put off, And I mean I like that he is. He's open minded enough to explore things like the vector potential and the scaler potential, the force free version of those that don't lead to magnetic and electric fields, the stuff that

I talked about in my last podcast with you. So he does talk about that, and he talked about it decades ago, you know, So he's one of those one of those guys.

using vector and scalar potential is disclosed. The system uses field free potentials like you just said signaling for many applications where the absence of shielding effects in seawater, plasma, or other dense media due to the fact that the absence of the electric and magnetic fields eliminates the possibility of induced charge and current response in the media being transited.

So real quick before I let you jump in here, is that when I read that, it says we're using field potentials that have no electric and magnetic field like the Airnhoff Bom effect, transmitting a scalar potential through the ether through the zero point energy field, and we're doing it because electromagnetic fields are blocked by seawater and plasma, which mean says this is a communication device for communicating with a submarine, or communicating with the sun, or something

some plants of all. Right, last thing I'll say is that this patent is not just one. There's five different patents with different patent numbers, all are the exact same thing, and they date all the way back to nineteen ninety three, yep. And I found a news article about this patent and the mainstream academics were up in arms about it. They were insessed over the fact that this patent had been approved.

They claimed that it was pseudoscience and that the patent officer must not have known what they were talking about to approve this patent. But we can see it's been approved four o their time since then, most recently in twenty twenty one. So what is your thoughts on this pattern?

and so on. So they relate one electromagnetic thing another. Okay, but thing is to get to that form, they had to cut out a lot of other things that were implied, but they were like, well, that stuff isn't physical, so let's just set it to zero or make them cancel each other out, so we don't have to worry about that stuff. You know, it's all imaginary anyway, we can't measure, we can't prove it.

of the magnetic vector potential to zero. Okay, that's called the cool engage, or setting it to be the opposite of the partial time derivative of the voltage with respect to time. Either way, either either cancel the scale effects out or you set them both to zero, and you're only left with ordinary, non scalar physics. And that's what

electro magnetic theory is nowadays. So anyway, if you don't do that, and you leave those things intact, and you leave them alone, and you incorporate those scaler things, then what you realize is, well, wait a minute, I can create fields that don't have an electric field associated with it or a magnetic field.

So I sort of got into this in my last interview with you, where I talked about how the electric scalar potential when there's a gradient in it, because remember earlier were talking about when you get like like a different and thing, you get to flow between it.

blowing and the other one is stuck in air. If you mount them on a stick and just leave them alone, they're actually gonna move through the air because it creates like a flow around the entire thing, like a like a smoke ring, a solenoid, and a smoke ring travels through the air because it's sort of like like like swimming its way through the air. That's that's what a smoke ring does.

a big appearance of it. But nowadays, it's a little bit more has more teeth nowadays, but still not fully there.

that technology? And the answer is yes, And the next question is what have they been doing with that technology? What about these military abductions? I use portal technology and for my control purposes and sexual trafficking purposes and so on, web gun running and all that. Well, it leads also to a lot of liability because they used it to get up to a lot of no good, you know, a lot of illegal things and not to mention, not to mention, and I'm not the first one to point

this out. Others have pointed it out that if you have one company like Lockheed Martin or something that gets access to this tech, but then another group like I don't know, Boeing or something did not get access because they weren't in with the crowd.

You know, maybe for good in the long run, but in the short term, Yeah, I would get really ugly.

just the government in the military with this technology. What if it's the defense contractors, And what if we gave Lockheed Martin this technology like fifty years ago. Now we're in a sea of crap where it's like, how do we get out of this without?

security issue. Of course, I mean at a higher political level, it's a it's a political issue that you have to deal with, but unless they're threatening to destroy our country, it's not really a national security issue. The national security issue is the impact of the technology, like you pointed out, like what would free energy do to our society? Potentially would change everything if we could leave the planet and go through a portal to Mars or Andromeda or somewhere,

Like what does that do to our civilization? And those

are the positive outlooks. There's people as well, and I want to get your thoughts on this, which is sal Pais, in a statement that he made and then also in the interview I did with him as well, really alluded to this idea that we've been developing technology to basically fight back against non human intelligence using a form of their technology that we have advanced in a way that they won't be prepared for I thought that was a pretty crazy idea, but I've learned to not doubt the

man at this point. And it speaks to this idea of a prison planet that basically we've been reset, or we are being held down, and maybe after we reach a certain level of technological advancement, income the others and reset us back down to zero. What is your thoughts on that philosophy, that mindset.

or factions or something. So we become a threat, but at the same time, for some of these highly efficient predatory factions, we also become an opportunity because if we become sufficiently technologically advanced and they gain control of us, then we are advanced to run our own prison planet for them. You know, once we got satellites. When we've got ships in our brains and you know, cameras everywhere

AI monitoring our every move and our every thought. We lock ourselves down and so we kind of, you know, wrap ourselves up in this in this this birthday wrapping paper, put a bow on it and hand it over to this controlling alien civilization. And they don't have to lift a finger. I mean, you know, to be highly intelligent and highly efficient and highly predatory, that's what that would involve. It wouldn't involve like like doing a Blitzkreek on a planet and taking.

or something like that. The people that came up with it, oh man, they had to be so smart to come up with that theory. But if the theory is false, and if it is deceptive, then they have to be even smarter than these these one hundred and sixty IQ PhDs that study string theory for their entire careers. You know what I mean, You got to be smarter than

the smartest humans. Yeah, yeah, so and so so the deception system that is in place, whether we're talking about archaeology, genetics, physics, you know, technology engineering, it is so well crafted that to me, it seems to me that it would have to have an even higher superior intelligence to craft it to fool our best and brightest for so long, you know. So that's another reason why I do think that aliens might have had a hand in, you know, some of

the suppression, because obviously they would. They would also stand to lose from us developing let's say, free energy, anti gravity, because when we'd be able to go to their territories, we'd become problems for them. Right We've become problems for them, whereas right now we're nicely tucked away on this little blue marble and we're not really a problem, and we're like a We're like a nice fish pond that they just come by and take a little fish out when

they need to. And but once the fish grow legs and start arming themselves with guns and start you know, going on their lines, and that becomes a problem.

you would just come down and wipe them out. Or if you're smart, you don't even need to use force, like you said, you just manipulate, psychologically, manipulate the movements of the civilization, kind of like in the first Batman Batman Begins movie where the evil organizations like, we used a new weapon economics to take down civilizations, and you look at what the CIA already does, and you go, they already do these activities.

non human intelligence? Maybe they are manipulating us behind the scenes from the shadows, like the little puppet masters, so to speak. It even speaks to Plato's cave, you know, the shadows on the walls instead of seeing the true reality.

that as well and are applying it to us. Maybe that is part of the basis of why the CIA operates the way it does. You know, I mean, CIA traces back to well to several things, but but also some of the Nazis that were brought over from World War Two. There's a lot of rumors about the Nazis having had interactions with non human beings to get some of their technology and so on, and that's why they accelerated so quickly between like nineteen thirty and nineteen forties.

Who knows who I mean, maybe there's something uh something to that.

Oh and by the way, he also believes in a plank ether or a hypothesis, which is basically exactly what we've been talking about and this whole zero point energy field thing. So I've wanted to dismiss it. But the more we look back, the further this thing really goes, and it does go back to like even the early nineteen hundreds, which is does make you wonder if there's something else at play. I don't really know where it's coming from, but it's interesting.

how how he discovered this sort of stuff. He mentioned I think if I remember correctly, that his dad during World War Two got access to some of the papers that the Nazi scientists really developed. Yeah, some of those patents and papers and you know, things like that, And so Pakolatnov during his early years was trying to study those, trying to reverse engineer it, trying to figure out how it worked. And then it took him like two three

decades and he finally got it. And so that's why he was even doing the experiments that he was doing with like rotating superconductors and other rotating things because he was trying to apply what he reversed engineering from some of these Nazi Nazi papers about playing anti gravity ships and so on.

If you know who they are, please let me know. And they talk about the Saphire projects and how put off and they talk specifically about plasma more specifically, they talk about exotic vacuum objects, which is something that Ken's shoulders discovered in the late eighties, around the same time that Pons and Fleischmann made their announcement of cold fusion. And this guy, from listening to this, he's clearly in the know. This isn't some random person off the street,

like he knows these people. He knows all the players, he's clearly worked with some of them. But he also sounds like a pretty young guy. There was a specific part in this interview, a couple of parts actually that I thought were just huge moments, but one part I thought you needed to listen to here, which was really interesting. So let's go ahead and play this for you. So here is the video, mister ax.

But this guy has posted a lot of information and I think he's a genius. And he explains this with illustrations and graphics so that the ordinary person can comprehend it. And you know, and one thing, A couple more things about the flux line I want I want to mention what's so critical is there's a lot of talk today and upology about UFOs require these super advanced meta materials with nano layer. Yeah, that's not required to build anti gravity vehicles. And I don't think all UFOs had such

exact meta materials. Some probably did, but I don't think they all did. I think the idea that you that we have to master the production of these execty meta materials to produce some anti gravity craft, it's a flat out line.

This is something that I've been struggling to reconcile, which is when you talk about the energy source, is the energy source external like the zero point energy field or is there some other fuel that they have that is somehow getting around the limitation of E equals mc squared. And the faster you move something, the more you know energy it takes.

Remember earlier I was talking about people going to the Black Ops programs and they come out of it and they don't remember what they did during that time when they were in. Well, that's a common thing, and if Bob Bazar is legit, then he probably underwent a similar sort of memory white procedure. And so therefore anything that he does remember, either it's incomplete or it could be a screen memory that was put there to cover up for the real thing that actually happened.

principle of physics. Okay, he just uses that principle, and they're closely related, but there's slightly different, especially especially when it comes to propulsion, like for example, the Towns and Brown stuff Bifail brown effect. That's a different mechanism from what pod Kletnov was doing with a rotating superconductors or rotating magnetic fields.

but they're there's a certain logic behind various propulsion methods, and the same thing also goes for energy. I think in some cases it is definitely tapping it from the zero point energy field just that. But here's a problem. When you tap it from the zero point energy field, you are changing the zero point energy field in your local region.

If you let it run for hours, if not days, all of a sudden you start getting an ex banning field of altered ether, you could say, where chemical processes would go way faster than they would normally. And so he used his process in order to speed up chemical processing of cement, like a cemmetri factory, you know, whether the making lime or whatever they make for for making cement.

He was able to use this process to alter the ether itself in order to alter chemical processes to you know, speed up industrial production.

David Wells. He's a guy who tried to replicate the Newman machine, the Newman free Energy machine, which is like a big massive Joseph Newman. So Joseph Newman his free energy machine, which is a big coil wire with like a rotating magnet on the inside to generate electricity, and according to Newman, it generated more power out than in. And he almost got it, got it patented, but basically people working for the men in Black, you know, men in black and quotes, shut it down and they denied

him the patterns. I think, yeah, yeah so, But but the thing is with with his device. David Wells tried to replicate it, but he did it differently, with like rotating magnets in like a different kind of oil situation. He found that his machine when he turned it on, it cut a hole like like a like a not a hole, but a but a channel through the cloud layer in the sky above. Yeah, consistently, you know it.

It would open up a hole like wherever the sun was and the machine was the path in between what a hole would open up.

so on. Well, when I whenever I did that, stuff from the refrigerator would undergo some really really weird changes. Like water bottles. Water bottles that I put in the freezer would not freeze. They would become super cooled, so

they wouldn't freeze. They would stay liquid even at like like like like it was like five degrees above zero, you know, fair Knight, Yeah, yeah, and eggs would explode, like we would freeze and they're above freezing temperature, but they would they would you know, solidify and they would

crack the shells and just just other weird stuff. So there is a kind of energy that affects the ether, that alters the I'm guessing intramolecular forces, probably changing the very constants of physics themselves, you know, the electric primitivity, the magnetic permeability, those things depending on the properties of the ether itself. And there are methods of altering the ether, and some of those methods happen inadvertently when you try

to tap energy from the ether. So certain free energy devices, they're not just spinning out energy, they're probably also altering the local etheric conditions, which then affect the physical consonance of physics.

died in twenty thirteen. He was an aeronautics engineer. He spoke specifically about hypersonic vehicles and crafts, and they use a plasma sheath, and this is how they reduce the drag in front of them, and actually it has this propulsive effect to it as well. I speculate that we figured out at some point around when Ken Shoulders was doing his research that we don't need a craft for

a spy plane anymore. We can use a ball of energy with some mechanical device in the middle of it to get all the same effects that we want from our spyplane. But we can get it now in a drone and possibly even using how Pudoff's patent, which literally says in it that it can communicate through plasma to communicate and control the drone. And why is this huge? Well, the nature of these plasmas are that they have an extremely high charge density, extremely high. They also have a

natural asymmetry. We were talking about asymmetries and how it creates this pressure or with electric field. They have a natural asymmetry where electrons are not repelling each other, they're not neutralizing within the plasma like you would expect, which to me is like basically an unlimited battery. So you've got this thing that can produce a huge amount of

charge relative to its size. It's got these self organizing and self sustaining properties, meaning that it forms a torus that forms a sphere, and then after that it sustains itself. So Ken's Shoulders called them exotic vacuum objects because he believed they must be cohering energy from the vacuum in order to be sustainable like this. So I bring this up because I think that you may have some insights into it. I don't know how much you know about the plasma stuff. I want you to listen to this

guy talk about it for a couple of minutes. I think that somebody figured out that there's probably several different ways to do with microwaves, RF waves or just being able to produce some kind of standing wave within the plasma that allows it to become coherent where now it can just float freely. But also what happens is it changes the permittivity of space. The plasma itself being there pushes out the zero point energy. So to really bring this all around, why does this connect to hal Putoff?

Because how Putoff was writing the papers explaining these concepts, and Ken Schulders wrote a paper and by the way, he was partners with hal Putoff. Ken and Shoulders wrote a paper called Permittivity Transitions where he says that basically he realized in nineteen eighty that from a paper by Bergstrom, the paper was from nineteen seventy three, that there really is an ether. And then if there really is an ether and there really is a medium, now we can

start playing around with the medium. We can play around with the permittivity of free space, which changes the speed of light. And I think it's really interesting because based on what you were just talking about with time and you know, having these collisions that were happening more often, like you know, somehow they were manipulating time with these experiments, with this energy that they were creating with their electrodes, is that this is also, in my opinion, the answer

to cold fusion and fusion in general. I don't think hot fusion is ever gonna work. I think that with hot fusion we were like, let's just heat it up and then there'll be more collisions because there's more energy. But we should have been thinking about in terms of time, which is, if we manipulate the rate of time, then we're gonna have more collisions and we don't need temperature for that at all. It can be cold. This is something where sal Pais has been saying on a lot

of interviews, even going back a year ago. It's all about cold plasma. So before we watch this clip, I would postulate to you to think about it, and to the audience to think about what if we discovered some natural phenomenon plasma that has properties that we can't recreate with meta materials, at least not now. Maybe a civilization's like a thousand years more advanced than us can do it, but right now we just don't have the material science

for it. But we found the workaround, which is that we can make this ball of plasma and now we can get a lot of the same magical effects that normally we would have to be like a thousand years more advanced for. This is what the context I want you to have when we listen to this, because I think this guy worked with Hal Pudoff on the Saffire project, and I think the Saffire project was basically a front for this EVO plasma research.

and become super conducting. Now what's so interesting about that is, I believe from the research I have done, that it's a super conducting state which is highly interactive with the vacuum with the zero poin energy field, and basically you can create a bubble of what's called magnetic vector potential around the craft. Now, this is a very important concept I want to get across here about magnetic vector potential.

See Originally, Maxwell back in the eighteen hundreds produced the first theory of electromagnetism of electrodynamics, and in his original theory, the primary movers of electromagnetism was the scalar potential and the vector potential. And forget the term potential, that's really not a good descriptor of this, but the scalar potential. Just imagine for a moment that there's a river and

you're underneath the surface of the of the river. The scalar potential would be the pressure of the water all around you pushing against your body. That's the scaler or the static potential that's always there. The vector potential would be the force of the current flowing against your body, pushing against you in a specific direction, a specific vector. That's the vector potential. The magnetic and electric fields are

just various manifestations of the scaler in vector potentials. A magnetic field is just a curled vector potential, for example. And so with the flux liner, you're creating a bubble of vector potential around the craft.

layers of copper and dielectric. Copper and dielectric this green material. And basically what makes perfect sense for this green material, the dielectric material would have been dope, very impightenent tightening, and it would have had a high K value, which would be a high capacity of value. And what's so interesting about this is that type of ferroelectric material can

have a natural nonlinearity about it. So you have all these ways of adding an additional gradient, so you have the natural property of the EVO to be highly interactive with the vector potential. And then you have all these extra gradients from being pulsed at high frequency and having the shape of the craft and having the properties of the dielectric, and it all contributes to having a higher pressure on one side, a weaker pressure on the other side,

and creating a net movement. Because gravity, this is a key concept. I want your listeners to grasp gravity, mass in in inertia are all electrical phenomena. They are all manifestations of the scaler invector potentials.

they had different layers and how they were doped. Okay, now, what when what does you mean by doping? Dope means you have the different layers have different k's, different dielectric constants, and so when you put an electric field through the stack of layers, the electric field here is going to be different from the one here, different from the one There's got a compression in that direction. Okay, it's compression in that direction, and that creates a linear well quote

unquote linear nonlinearity in the electric field. And so when you have non linearities in the electric field, you're you're generating something new.

So what this means is, if you can control the vector potential, which you can do through charge densities and through currents and just arranging them in a certain geometric way, if you can control that then you can control the gravitational potential, and therefore you can control time as well. Then it's just a matter of how much charge density you can compact into a certain space and how much

you can make it modulate. And so that's exactly what you're talking about with those plasmoids, those stable plasma things, where that is nature's own mechanism for compacting as much charges as possible into the smallest volume. Okay, that's how you get the greatest charge density. And so when you have such a high level of charge density and you modulate its size, that is a way of generating radial longitudinal waves.

be a meta material. But doesn't it just make so much more sense that nature is going to have the most efficient mechanism and it's not going to be some material that we've got. You know that to me makes

the most sense out of all of it. And then when I heard him talking about these ideas, these cold plasmas, and you know, I look back at that make streets of and zero videos and I'm just going, Wow, this is really the answer, because this is where Sal Sal's whole paise effect is that he's saying that to your point, what is what is the amount of energy you can fit electromagnetic flux you can fit within a region of space time? Sal's thing is that the most is the

Swinger limit. Is that once you hit the Swinger limit Julian Schwinger Nobel Prize winner nineteen sixty five, when you hit that level of energy density, you're breaking through the fabric of reality. You could argue you're like looking at the true nothingness at that point. You're looking down through whatever the ether is. You're looking at it at that point. So yeah, I think that. And then this also speaks

to the idea of these evos. What they're doing then is they're changing the permittivity of space time in that region. That's going to manipulate the speed of light in that region. And now it's you know, now, what do you have? You have a ball of energy floating around. And the other thing that I realized, I'm curious you get your thoughts on all of this, is that one of the biggest scientific things that I found was something called the

dynamic Kasmir effect. You hear people talk about the Kasimir effect all the time in this topic, and why because it proves zero point energy is real for the people out there going well, is zero point energy even real? Yes, the Lamb shift proves it's real, Kasimir effect proves it's real, Aaron off Bom effect proves it's real. All these things prove there's something there. Why does science ignore them?

to pull off. So what is your thoughts and you have any other background thoughts or anything I haven't brought up about evos in general, And oh sorry, I forgot The other thing I was gonna say about the dynamic Asmir effect is that they think the dynamic Casmir effect. They being physicists, they think the dynamic asm effect happens at the event horizon of black holes. Is that that's one of the astrological locations cosmological locations where we see

the dynamic asm effect happen. If you read about the dynamic Asmir effect, it basically says that the Shwinger effect is happening. Is that these virtual particle pairs that are constantly popping in and out of existence, they get captured from the Swinger effect and what happens they become real photons.

Photon is just light. So to me, if you add this up and you say, huh, if we're creating like a black hole or a little permittivity change in a region of space, and we've got our plasma here, then it's gonna be glowing because it's gonna be something inside there is pulling photons out of the ether, if it's real interacting with the ether, like Ken Shoulders would say, what is your thoughts on any and all of that?

energy effects. Okay, and I think what you were talking about there, what they were talking about, has to do with bringing a system right up to that threshold where when something tries to pop into existence and a pair and an anti pair thing, well, there's a there's a sort of like like one is above the threshold and one is beneath the threshold. So so therefore you get this asymmetric effect. You break the symmetry that normally combines

them back to zero. So imagine you generate a one and a minus one and normally they collapse back to zero. Well what if as soon as that one pops out, you like throw that into a black hole, and then the other one you leave out of the black hole. Well, now all of a sudden, you've got this minus one out of nowhere without a one to cancel it back out,

So you get you get something out of nothing. Okay, that's sort of what you're talking about there, and I mean another way of understanding that would be you are biasing the zero point energy field so that you get a net, a net fluctuation that comes out.

these supposed UFOs they do generate these energy fields. They generate particles like electric fields around them in addition to glowing in a plasmatic sort of way and people getting ultraviolet radiation burns and when they get a little bit too close to them. So they're generating very very intense energy fields. And perhaps perhaps they are creating a shell around themselves that's almost like an event horizon for all we know.

Maybe that's what they're doing, you know, But but no, doubt that a lot of these ships, they do use

plasmas to do a lot of what they do. So so imagine if you if you do have a metal vehicle and the skin of it, you can electrify in such a way that you create a plasmoid around yourself, so you're encased in a plasmai You're like you're like a flying ball lightning basically, So you can imagine where you can do it that you can you can nullify inertia, you can alter gravity, you can probably alter the rate

of time. And actually, funny enough, Stefan Merinov and the Magvid Magavid device, you know which I think, I think, I think I linked that to you once.

he was killed. And the official story is that he committed suicide by jumping off a university building, but in true when he landed, one of the people that found him found that there was this weird, green, glowing fluid leaking out the back of his fractured skull almost almost like a like like radiator fluid from a car, like a coolant or something.

went on there, you know. But anyway, so this MAGVID device it stands for a magnetic vortex and looked.

Let me try to pop this out there? We go, Oh hold on, let me switch, let me switch my share screen here this craft, sal says, there's a cavity here, This triangle craft is using a cavity that has Xenon gas or another noble gas in it, which I believe is an insulator. And I guess what I'm getting at here is that could this outside be this plasma field that's being generated, and could the energy be using this cavity here to create the cold plasma on the outside.

I don't looking at this image of looks like what he's trying to represent on this image.

maybe other people had the same thought. What if any civilization kind of figures out that plasma is the secret They all figure out that we can't get the energy densities we need without plasma, and so that that would mean that plasma is kind of like discovering fire, you know, like you first you start rubbing sticks together and you realize, oh, we can make fire happen. Look at that, and then do we still rub sticks together?

figured some of this out. We could have figured it out from aliens. We could have figured it out from digging something up. We could have figured it out on our own. It also opens the door to some of this stuff flying around being us, but some of it also being aliens using a similar foundation of technology, all based on plasma. What do you think?

grip on the ether. And so that's why when you send a current down a wire, it drags a little bit of ether with it, and so you've get this vector potential flowing alongside the outside of the wire because it's being dragged along by the charge. And so when you take charges and you compress them together, if you compress charges together and in emotion like this, then what you're doing is you're also compressing the ether. So you're

modulating the ether by modulating charge density. And the greater the charge density, the stronger you grip on the ether, and the more you effect the zero point energy field and so on. So that's why ar are so important is because they literally grab the ether the alter time, like the Bifield Brown effect. Okay, the Bifield Brown effect.

You just have a capacitor, a high voltage capacitor, so once charge super high you know, negative, and the other one either is at ground or super high negative voltage. And just with that alone you get a propulsive force because you're altering the ether in an asymmetric way, so the ether wants to flow, you know, to rebalance it.

And so therefore you get this motion. And so the reason why I bring that up is because yeah, I think plasma is the most efficient way to do it, because that's how nature does it, ball lightning the sun. You know, I'm actually fire itself as a plasma. Funny enough, but but yeah, I mean you can use plasmas to do things that you can't with let's say, copper conductors, because a copper conductor you can only put so much energy into it before the copper melts, you know, before

the wire heats up and it melts. So you can't use the copper wire to do these super high powerful things. But if you use a plasma, which is nothing but charges nothing but ions and electrons, then there's nothing there to melt, you know, so you can keep on pumping energy into it until you reach the Shwinger limit or whatever sort of limit you're talking about, and then you

start get getting really really weird effects. But one of the important things I forgot to mention earlier is that there are really two ways of getting these exotic effects. One is to cram just as much mass and energy and motion or whatever into a certain volume of space, and you end up curving space and time. You end up curving the ether. And that's what general relativity would recommend and I think that's what sal pia is is

is that's what he's going for. He's going for like extreme energy densities to warp space and time.

space and time. And so if you can alter that first using scalear physics principles, you buy altering the density of the ether. If you can do that first, then the ether becomes more fluid, more appliable, softer, and you don't need as much energy per volume space in order to open portals or ultra time or anything like that. So that's why I think that some of these ships, whether they are shadow military or alien stuff, some of them probably are using a method of softening up to

ether first before they apply the energy. So therefore they don't have to have the energy equivalent of a massive star in order to open a portal. You know, maybe they don't need that, Maybe they just need a tiny fraction of that. But in correspondence to that, they also softened up the ether in a massive, massive way. Through that, the combination, you're all connected.

but it's not technically flowing through the wires. The wires are just kind of acting as conduits for a lack of a better term, yep.

What he's talking about is basically like taking Microsoft paint and doing a little cutout of a region, you know, make a bubble, or you can be any shape you potentially want, but like just roughly, let's say a bubble, and now you create like an eddy current, and Eddie current is just like a different an area of space where you have a current difference, maybe a superconducting barrier, and now you've got a bubble. You've got a bubble in space time, all created and produced by electricity, by

electric charge. And I think that's what Ken shoulders. I think this is where Ken's shoulders and how Putoff's ideas overlapped and why they were partners with one another because they both understood that space is an empty and there's this ether and they were both kind of like how Putoff was going the or sorry, Ken shoulder is going to the plasma route, going like you know, this is how we can create it, and then how Putoff was kind of explaining it in the concepts. I personally think

he got sucked into the black world as well. And I think he's a lot smarter than he lets on as well. He knew's a very smart guy. I think he knows way more stuff. So I guess thoughts on that and energy not flowing through the wires and what that means for how you manipulate space time.

to the electric field crossed with the magnetic field. So he cross B, he cross B. So if you got electric field this way, magnetic field this way, then the pointing vector, well, is you this way or that way?

eventually it fizzles out, you know, when it destabilizes. But from that period of time, all these charges are compacted together and they're not dissipating.

it's e cross zero that is equal to zero. That's also a situation where the pointing field and you know what that is.

charges are moving. It's actually it's actually generating a vector potential and a radial symmetrical way. That's what it's doing.

going on, and so that's what he's talking about. He's talking about these radial charge oscillations. That that's his version of the plasmoid. Whereas the Jack and the Champion paper that's slightly different that that's where you'd got the E and the B non zero, but they're in parallel so you get this like solenoidal you know, troidal spherical shape, right, and that's it's similar, but it's different from from Ken's shoulders stuff. But it's it's to what to our eyes,

both of them will look like plasmoids. It's just one it's like a like a torus, and the other one is you know, radiating like like like this, like it's not radiating, but it's moving like that. But yeah, but but both of them, the pointing vectors are zero because there is no E cross B and that's non zero.

that up. Thank you for thank you for talking about that. Yeah, And that's the thing where then the Champion paper goes and takes it a step further and from the Champions approach says, well, if you create this vortex just like a whirlpool where you're pulling the tub the water or the tub, then it can stabilize the the field and

therefore becomes stable. And I also wonder do you think that there might be a requirement or like, do you think there has to be modulated in such a way where it has to be in some kind of equilibrium with the atmosphere as well, Like does it have to be like the same temperature as the background atmosphe or close that that kind of gets alluded to, and then the champ Can paper and it was an interesting thought

that I'd never considered. I just assume that if you can make a bubble, then it's completely separated for everything else. But what if there is some criteria where it needs to be within a certain threshold of the outside environment in order for it to stay stable. Otherwise it'll become.

of pure like argon or something. Right, So if you make one within atmosphere, it's going to be made of hydrogen or I mean nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and all these other things that separate and some on like a little

bit of water vapor. So yeah, I mean, the plasmoid would definitely be made of the stuff of the gas that it forms within, and so therefore it would have an interaction with the environment, not only with the physical environment, but probably also of the gravitational environment and the etheric environment. Like if the physical constant of electric primitivity were different, the speed of light were different, then maybe it would be a bigger plasmoid instead of a smaller one and

more compact one or vice versa. Right, So the environmental conditions ultimately end up determining the size of the plasmoid. Probably its color, probably what frequency it's oscillating at. All these things, you know, kind of converge together and think about this. What if what if the electron itself is a plasmoid in the ether, And what if what if electric charge and the mass of the electron. What if those things only appear because those are the environmental conditions

that it exists within. What if what if the very properties of the ether are would give the electron it's suppose the charge. I think that's probably what's going on.

going on there. I think that if those videos are real, then those orbs are pulling the electrons directly from the atmosphere, like I don't think they're in a glass container of argon or some other gas or whatever it is. And one of the papers I read it, I don't remember which well, maybe it was in a Champion, maybe it was one of the others. They said that it can be it can be tuned to any frequency, meaning that it can be any color of light that they can emit,

and they might even be able to be invisible. So do you think that they could be invisible? Does that make sense to you?

you get this curve. It's it's a curve that's common to all such plasmas, and at the very beginning of it, there's a kind of dark plasma. It's called the Townsend regime. It's within that regime that that particular phase of plasma where you don't get any light emission, so it's dark, but it is still a plasma. There's actual plasmatic processes going on there in there, but it's invisible optically invisible

because it's not emitting necessarily any light. So if you have these orbs, right, so, if their technology is advanced enough, they could create these plasmoid orbs that are within that particular regime or something like it where it's not emitting light but it is invisible. And I think Ken Shoulders, didn't you talk about dark evos as well?

start to move a little bit. That's normal glow discharge phase. And eventually it gets so bright that the entire thing gets covered in like a uniform layer of glow. And that's called the abnormal glow discharge phase. Okay, that's a higher up in the curve. But then something very interesting happens because once you reach that state, you can you can turn down the voltage a little bit and it'll start retracing that curve and go back to the cold

plasma state. Really but it's but it's a different kind of cold plasma state. It's like it's like a plasma has two states to it, like two parallel states to it, and when you go up in voltage, you go along the bottom one, and then when you trace back you actually come back this this other parallel way, where now you've got this kind of cold plasma instead of this kind. So there's another kind of cold plasma that exists besides the one that you first encounter when you first start

applying voltage. And it's within that other secondary one that's where you start getting really weird, really weird. Effects like transmutation and probably like cold fusion something like that started getting these weird effects because that is a state where you have both electrons and ions like protons or whatever. It's like hydrogen gas where they are in an equal, equally distributed, uniform ad mixture of ions colliding with electrons. And there's a paper by Harold Asptin.

and both of them having charge, it does something exotic. Okay, it does something exotic where it generates free energy somehow. You know, you get extra energy out of that interaction. That the greater the difference in masses between the heavy ion and small electron. Right, So the reason why I bring that up is because within that secondary cold plasma state that is where you have the maximum number of ions interacting with the maximum number of electrons, and the more they do that, the.

signs are pointing towards plasma. Plasma's got these properties that we need, and it turns out, like you just mentioned, I came to the same conclusion that it's like basically an infinite battery. This natural property of this plasma is just producing what we would think of as free energy, but it's not really free. It goes back to the

dynamic Casmir effect. You're pulling energy out of the ether where we're sending this other particle somewhere else, and this gives us a net positive amount of energy in our observable reality. Now it's at the cost of something. We took energy out of the ether. And this also speaks to a lot of these free energy devices they cool things down like that.

So even if you're pulling energy out of this see ocean of energy, pulling this energy out, you're pulling energy out of that region, which naturally is going to cool things down as well. So there's always going to be consequences no matter what. Where we can't we can't cheat the laws of physics. We can just break them, or we can just bend them a little bit. Right, So I guess this is probably a good time to close it down. We've had a great conversation Tom. We spoke

about plasma. You gave me some new great insights into cold plasmas. We spoke about free energy, gravity manipulation, We spoke about aliens, non human intelligence, UFO phenomenon, the UFO hearings, how poodoph et cetera.

find the hidden avenues that would expand it. And based on that expansion of general relativity, he found equations that show how rotating charges, especially if they wobble on their axis, are able to produce gravitational fields, are able to couple to space time and to warp space time in a

very efficient and effective way. Not only that, but he also figured out that it does it especially if you bring the voltage up to I think it was either five hundred and eleven thousand volts or five hundred and twelve thousand volts. But there's a singularity in voltage there where if you take this rotating charge system and you bring it up to that voltage, as soon as you hit that, you get like a massive burst of thrust or you know, either increase in weight or decrease in weight.

So David Maker, I see, is that the one I'm trying to see on the screen.

It's got gold gold rings impregnated into it, and there's a builds up very high charge densities at the interface between the gold and the aluminum, and it does it naturally. Without any additional energy input. And so when you spin that around and you make it wobble like that on the axis, you get this gravitational impulse. So that's an example of him doing that. But but he said is he said that that particular method is not very efficient and that the most efficient way to do it would

be through rotating magnetic fields. Just what that magvid that Stephen Meronov developed, that's what that is. He's creating extremely high frequency rotating magnetic fields that were operating at like seventy five megahertz. And there's no way, there's no way you can you can build a mechanical physical disc that rotates that fast and that's like seventy five million times per second.

get a synthetic rotating magnetic field. And so anything that's in that rotating magnetic field, if a response to magnetism magnetism, the orbitals or the electron orbitals will align with it. So I mean that's how magnets work. You know, when you put iron near a magnet, the orbil's print. So what happens is because magnetism itself within a magnet or iron a fairite because it involves electrons going around in orbit.

Like that, if you have a rotating magnetic field, you have rotating charges that their axis of rotation ends up rotating itself at seventy five megaherts in this case, and that that that is that is the David Maker thing, where you've got rotating charges whose axis is either wobbling or rotating entirely, okay, at high voltages. So that's what his device was doing. It was actually ionizing the air, and then electrons were coming out the top and circulating

and going around up through the bottom. He was creating a plasmoid using rotating magnetic fields. Yeah, and according to rumors, for people that knew that saw the device and demonstration, it warked time and it produced free energy. So no wonder. Yeah, very not that magnet device, So no wonder. He died within two weeks after producing something.

But it does feel like they're letting some of this stuff come out, you know, and some of it, like I think we are in agreement. That's the technology that they're afraid of coming out. But what is it you think change? Do you think that they've just given up they've gotten tired of hiding it. Do you think that it's going to come out inevitably anyway? Do you think there's another explanation? What do you think is going on?

period and not a moment before. So if someone tries to come out with a free energy device before that they're ready for it, before they have all the pieces in play to exploit it, that's not good for them, you know, because then we'd be preempting them. So they're going to kill us off if we do it beforehand. But still like, right now, you and I we can

talk about this. We can talk about this, and you've known people that probably have working devices, Okay, but it's when they have working devices that they're going to release to the world that affects things on an economic, political, geopolitical level, that's when they get whacked. So we're still in the danger zone. But at least we can talk about it.

the suppression. That's when you see the disinformation. People come out and say, I mean I actually research this. There's several people who literally they basically they are fit PhD physicists whose job it is to testify on behalf of the government that when people are developing free energy devices that they're kooks and cranks, and then it's pseudoscience and.

So stan Meyer, he had a technology and he cloaked it in a lot of misdirection, you know. And and so therefore when he was just about to sign that deal, he stood up and he claimed, I've been poisoned, and he falls over dead in the parking lot.

on the blockchain or doing a bunch of interviews. Usually they they get like that, and then the problem is that it doesn't come out. It never comes out. And so now we've just got people with these patents and then everybody, we've got all these patents out there, they claim to be able to do free energy type stuff and nobody thinks they're real and what have you.

you get the effect. And the people try to replicate it, but of course again do everything, and it fails because they missed the original simple thing. And then the other problem is these inventors they stumble upon something, but they don't one hundred percent know why it's doing what it does, and so they have to come up with their own crazy theory about why it is. And so therefore you've got all these different inventors with their own crazy theory

that all contradict each other about what it is. So if you had the unified theory that you could explain all of it with one common, correct, true science instead of all these little half baked attempts at trying to understand, like, oh, there's a little gyroscopic ether particles. We'll call them etherons or something, and you know, maybe that's the case, but I think most of the time they're just trying to grasp at what it could actually be.

he said it was. He literally it was magic. He couldn't explain it. And it goes to the point that you just mentioned, which is this idea that like a lot of people don't even know how they invented the thing they did. I'm like, do you think this could be like a negative energy laser that you're doing here? Because it has like the same properties. No, no, there's nothing.

There's nothing exotics, magical, it's just normal energy. And I'm going, yeah, I know, it's you know, everything is like there's anything that we can see, we have an explanation for it. But I just think that that mindset is a good analogy to where academia is right now, where it's like, we've got these ideas out there, We've spoken about them for two hours on this live, on this interview, and yet they don't get taken seriously. And we've seen these inventors,

these papers, some of these guys like Ken Shoulders. This guy was developing microelectronics before microelectronics were a thing. He was developing drones before drones were a thing. These are not lightweight guys, are aren't random cranks in their garage. So what would be your message to humanity for the people out there wondering when this is going to come out? What would you tell them to reassure those people?

what he developed, and he died shortly after. But anyway, one of the things that he told me is that he thinks that one day there will come a time where mounting economic and climate and other disasters are going to just death by a thousand cuts to these systems. Yeah, so the government will not have the resources anymore to

maintain their grip of control. And at that point you will have a flourishing of suppressed vents that can no longer be kept down because there's just no longer no longer enough band power to keep them suppressed.

out there in a way that can't be suppressed. You know, blockchain it whatever, open source it.

sense to even try to explain magnetism to somebody. And I think that's true of a lot of this physics is unless you understand that there's an ether, there's no point talking about free energy because you can't understand how it's possible. Yeah, so, Tom, I want to thank you very much. It's been an awesome conversation. Go ahead, shout out any of anyone you want, any of your content that you want. Let people know where they can find you.

so I'll have to update my list. But scalerphysics dot com you can go there. You can read my paper brief Introduction to Scaler Physics that mister X has a you know that he blotted and if he's listening, you know, hey man, hopefully we get to talk sometime. Hopefully you get to talk to Ashen. Yeah, we do a three way conversation.